Above the Law (1988)

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So Hello and welcome to The Most Excellent 80s Movies.
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It's the podcast where a filmmaker, comedian, and their hilarious
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guests punch our way through the movies of the 80s
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that we think we love or might have missed with these,
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our grown-up eyes. And today we're talking about Above the Law,
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a movie selection from 1988, about which Letterboxd says, he's
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a cop who believes no one is above the law.
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Nico Toscani is an Italian immigrant, American patriot, ex-CIA agent,
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a keto specialist, and unorthodox Chicago policeman. He is also
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committed to his job as he is to his personal
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brand of justice, expert, and thorough bone crushing.
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Stephen Cagall.
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That is... Above the law.
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Yeah.
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That description tells you nothing about the movie, which is
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what I felt I knew at the end of the movie,
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which was nothing.
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The movie also doesn't tell you anything about the movie.
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I think that tagline should have been just, he's a
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cop who believes he's above the law or believes no one, period. Also,
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he definitely the whole time believed he was above the law.
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The whole time.
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100%. I saw this movie more like Highlander to where
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the hero and the villain are both above the law
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and only one can live.
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Yeah. Very much. I'm Chrissy Lenz, one of the directors
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and a performer at the Neighborhood Comedy Theater in downtown Mesa, Arizona.
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And I'm Nathan Blackwell, an independent filmmaker.
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From Phoenix, Arizona.
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And joining us today is an infrequent guest, but someone
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we talk about frequently. He is the other director from
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the Neighborhood Comedy Theater in downtown Mesa, Arizona, as well
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as a performer and a doer of all things and
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a boss of Chiba Hut. He is Dorian Lenz.
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Wow, I'm so glad to be here. And boy, am
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I glad that this is the movie that I decided
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to jump in and join you guys for.
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Well, you know why we tapped you is because no
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one else wanted to do it.
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Well, that I get.
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What's not in the introduction is that you're also married
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to Dorian.
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Oh, yes, that's true. Married for 26 years to Dorian.
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Yeah.
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I figured that was a given based on our last names.
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We were not brother and sister.
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Yeah, we're not brother and sister.
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Not like Luke and Leia. Or like Han and Leia.
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Yes. But you are a frequent victim of these movies, Dorian.
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And now you finally get to say what you think
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of one. We haven't had you on since Child's Play.
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I know. And I wish we were watching Child's Play again.
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You guys, I started out with the best intentions of
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taking tons of notes and writing stuff down. I had
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my notepad out. I started taking notes, and then I
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just stopped. I had to stop after my last note,
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which was like, I don't know what's happening.
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My typical thing is I take my notes on a
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legal pad, and it's a victory if I can just
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get all my notes on just the front page. page
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of the notepad. But usually what happens is in the
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first half hour, I fill up half of the notepad
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or the sheet, and then the rest of the movie
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is the other bottom half. Oh, no. But that's typical.
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Copious notes.
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Well, you're a little more of the railroad track that
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has to keep us going.
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It's true.
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I would like to just point out My last note
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that I wrote for myself was, I'm going to stop
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taking notes.
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So we've talked a little bit about this, Nathan, but
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you're a Jean-Claude Van Damme guy.
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Look, if we have to take sides.
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We do.
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If we have to do Schwarzenegger versus Stallone, I'm a
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Schwarzenegger man.
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I am with you.
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If we have to do Seagal versus Van Damme, I
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am 100% Van Damme.
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Okay, me too. But you've seen Steven Seagal movies before.
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Yeah, Under Siege, for sure.
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Okay.
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Which is a good movie. Yeah, I mean, that one's solid.
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And then I've seen him in other stuff, but I
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don't know if I've seen him in an end-to-end movie before.
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that I willingly watched. I mean, I might've seen the
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climber man, um, but, um, uh, and then tons of
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it is just clips of him throughout the years.
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Right.
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Just being aware of his existence. That's, that's me. It's
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just like being vaguely aware of his existence and, you know,
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and yeah, and I, I've never seen a Steven Seagal
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movie ever in my life. I've never seen under siege, uh,
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I don't... I've never ever seen him do anything. So
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this was an eye-opening experience for me. I should have
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looked it up. Is this his first movie?
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Yes. This is his first film.
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Yeah, this is him coming out of the gate. Pretty strong,
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I have to say. You know, in terms of... a
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non-actor now acting, you know.
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Right, right, right.
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There were a lot of these, it's like, oh, we've
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got to establish our new action hero brand, you know,
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with all these different heroes. And there's a ton that I,
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we don't talk about because they never hit it, you know. Right.
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And then there's a, and then we all know the
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famous ones, you know, who we've just mentioned, including Chuck Norris.
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Yes. Yeah.
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So Chuck Norris is way more what I have to
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compare him to, you know, it's.
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Like, yeah, I don't even think I would put him
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in the Van Damme category. I would probably put him
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more in the Chuck Norris category of actor.
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Right. Um, my, uh, as in like legitimate martial artist
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who is now becoming a right.
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Right. Right. Uh, I, I actually had a, uh, run.
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This is back when I used to work at Blockbuster Video.
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One of my favorite things to do would be to
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rent one actor's entire catalog of things. So I did
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go on a Steven Seagal run. Journey? Yeah. Not this one.
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Not this one. But like starting with like Under Siege,
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Executive Decision, Glimmer Man, Fire Down Below. I saw all
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of those. And so like You know, he's really great
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in Under Siege, and then he is very much, for
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me anyway, diminishing returns as he goes.
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I feel like, yeah, Under Siege was like when... So
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it's like him and Van Damme had these smaller movies,
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and then at some point they had like a breakout
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mainstream movie in the beginning. They kind of elevated from
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straight to VHS video store to now in the mainstream,
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and Under Siege was that for him.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah. Right.
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Yeah.
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And I'm sure Under Siege is great, but like who
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saw this movie and was like, let's give this guy
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more to do.
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So I read a, I don't know how accurate this is,
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but I read a Wikipedia entry that said that Michael Ovitz,
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who is like the founder of creative artists agency, Seagal
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was his Aikido instructor. He's like, I'm going to make
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you a star. And that's, That's how this all started.
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Uh-huh.
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And it worked.
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It worked.
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It worked.
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He did it.
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Okay. But we have to talk about this movie.
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Do we have to talk about the movie?
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All right.
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Go ahead.
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We have to talk about this movie.
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Only for another half hour.
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Okay. Yeah. Just for a little bit. Sorry. But it
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starts out with him telling his whole life story about
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how he is.
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It's a bold move to start with baby pictures. Yeah.
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Yeah. Of Steven Seagal. Baby pictures of actual Steven Seagal. Yeah.
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Yeah. And he was a very cute baby. Like, I
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have to say, like, you can tell it's Steven Seagal
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in the pictures. But it's like, I was born and
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we moved to America. And it's like, shit, is that
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where we're starting? Damn.
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This is the world's longest backstory. Continue.
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Uh-huh. They're laying the foundation of the epic. Of the legend.
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Yeah.
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The legend that and they sort of bookend it because
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at the end he starts telling his story to the
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senator's crew um But he's like, I went to a
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party and a drunk guy invited me to be part
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of the CIA. And I'm like, hey, is that how
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it works? Yeah.
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And likewise, when he's fed up with all the corruption
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in the CIA, he just says, I'm out of here.
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It's like, oh, that's how the military works.
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Yeah, you get in when a drunk guy at a
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cocktail party is like, you look like CIA material. And
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you get out when you just walk into the jungle. Uh-huh.
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Guys, can I get a ride?
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Can someone pick me up? I think there's a predator
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out here.
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Yeah, I love the idea that, like, the CIA is
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in desperate need of people that are good at Aikido.
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You know, we need Aikido experts. Not people who are
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good at interrogation or, like, spy stuff. Specifically, Aikido experts.
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Yeah, well, I love these action heroes that are also presenting, like,
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a brand new... brand and they bring with them their
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martial art with them, you know?
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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You know, it's, it's kind of like Van Damme always
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having to do the splits and like, I think he
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did Taekwondo, but this was a lot more of like, no, no,
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here is Aikido. Here is something you don't know about.
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But I mean, for all the Aikido that he does
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in the beginning, when he is like explaining to us
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that he became a Japanese Aikido legend, He doesn't seem
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to do much. It's a lot of guns the rest
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of the movie. It's not a lot of him Akito-ing people.
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And I think there should have been more of him
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Akito-ing people. He's frequently surrounded by up to 20 guys.
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And he takes them all out.
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Right.
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But.
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Unlike in the beginning when he's showing off his skills
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where he's just like swatting people in the face and
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knocking them down. You can't see, but I'm swatting people
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in the face right now and knocking them down. Later,
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he just shoots them. Right.
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Well, that is part of the kryptonite of Aikido. It's
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a great martial arts, but it's.
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The gentle art. It's yeah, exactly. It's all about Aikido
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is all about redirecting your enemy's energy.
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Right, and it's really hard to redirect your enemy's bullets.
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It's the compromise that any of these martial arts has
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to make at some point. Just like in Gymkata, he
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couldn't solve everything with that gym horse. Gymnast, yeah.
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The pommel horse.
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The pommel horse in the alley that he found. He
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had to solve his problems other ways, too.
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In the middle of the forest.
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Okay. Yeah. there's so much mullet in this movie there's
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a guy.
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Whose only persona is just a giant mullet.
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Yeah but there are so many mullets it made it
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hard to keep track of who was who.
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He was boss mullet right yeah.
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Boss mullet and then there was baby.
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Mullets just a bunch of henchmen like lower level mullets
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you had like a level 8 mullet and then like
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several level 4 mullets.
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It's to visually distinguish them.
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It makes them all look the same and I was
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like who's this mullet guy who's that mullet guy is
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that the main bad guy or is that a henchman
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I couldn't tell and I had such a hard time
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with this movie because of all the mullets yeah the
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plot doesn't help no the plot.
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Doesn't help you at all the plot.
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Doesn't help anyone laughing.
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I do believe, though, towards the end of the movie,
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Steven Seagal actually reframes the whole plot for us, right?
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He has like a, just so you guys all know
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where we're at in this movie.
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I wrote down, yeah, sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
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Oh, no, I was just, I said out loud, thank you.
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Thank you for sharing that.
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I wrote down at one hour and 12 minutes, so
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that's 72 minutes into a 100-minute movie, the villain voices
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what they're going to do, and I wrote down, oh,
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so that's what they're up to. And I don't know
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if I missed it. I don't know if I was
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going to the restroom.
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You didn't miss it. Nope, you didn't miss it. At
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that moment when he's interrogating Tomasino... That's when he reveals
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their plot. And I was like, shit, this is all
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about that.
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What? Yeah.
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I mean, I'm the general framing of the story. It's like, Oh, they, the, the,
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the CIA people think they're above the law and we
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got a title and, and, um, and they're going to
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like assassinate a Senator, but you know, And I don't
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hate the idea of them revealing a big major plot
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point 20 minutes before the end of the movie. But
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the movie is just kind of a jangly bag of
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moments and scenes of him getting information. Him being above
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the law and using excessive force from one scene to another.
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Really? Straight up killing people, shooting them in the street.
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In the name of avenging the little guy. His whole
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thing is that he is there to defend and avenge
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the little person. He is a man of the church.
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He's a man of family. They honestly do a pretty
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good job of him and his ties to the community
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and his wife and his baby and his friends. And
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he's like a real... man of the community and, and
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looking out for the old ladies and, and then, and
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then just beating the living crap out of everyone, breaking
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into people's houses. He really is the one that is
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above the law.
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Right. This movie is about him.
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Yeah.
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He's the bad guy.
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Yeah.
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Well, and his partner is Pam Greer and she's always like,
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She's awesome. And she's always like, we're going to end
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up in jail. And he's like, what? What? What do
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you mean? And she's like, yeah, what we're doing is illegal.
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You're illegally wiretapping.
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Uh-huh. Uh.
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So the movie knew.
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We're going to go to jail.
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The movie knew, you know. It wasn't.
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Yes.
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Pam Grier was our voice of reason that didn't get
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listened to in any way, shape, or form ever. And
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it cost her. getting shot.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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She gets, she gets shot. She lives. I was so,
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I was like, if they kill Pam Greer, I'm out.
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Yes.
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Uh-huh.
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You guys, Sharon Stone is in this movie.
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Yeah. That was wild.
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In a tiny part.
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Yeah. Baby Sharon Stone. This movie, I think there was,
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there were some similar movies where you have just some
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rock star ladies, you know, supporting this, this cardboard actor, like, okay.
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So in all fairness, um, for his debut film, he,
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he does a real good job.
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I thought, yeah.
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You know, you think so?
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I mean, I thought it was fine.
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Yeah. I mean, I mean, when you think that he's
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only been a martial arts instructor, you know, like the,
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there's a couple of scenes where he, He doesn't crash
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the car. He does well, I thought. Against my own... Again,
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I'm not a big Seagal fan, but I have to
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give props to him. He does a fine job.
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Yeah, I've seen worse actors, for sure, who've ruined pieces. Who?
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Name one! Who's worse?
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You know, like local productions. He is believable, but my
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favorite thing as I'm watching this movie, as his first movie,
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I'm like, okay, yeah. They found, I'm now talking about
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Under Siege, because this very, what do you call it?
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Very minimal, he's got that Bruce Willis energy to his acting, right?
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Not a lot of. Not a lot of emoting, not
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a lot of expressiveness. It's almost like the Clint Eastwood
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school of acting. Yeah, yeah. They found him a spot.
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He works really well in Under Siege. Everything makes sense
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there because he's just a chef who wants to be
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left alone, you know?
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Uh-huh, uh-huh.
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He's a chef with a past who wants to be
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left alone.
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I wish there was some of that energy in this
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of him reluctantly stumbling into this instead of running headlong
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into the fact that he is breaking the law over
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and over and over again right from jump he's at
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his baby's christening party and his an old lady he
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knows is like my granddaughter's gone again and he leaves
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his son's christening party to go find this young lady
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who's like smoking crack in a flop house. And that's
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where the plot gets going. The guy from the bar
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at the beginning is in the main scene at the end.
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He's King Mullet.
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That's King Mullet.
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And when he came back again, I was like, wait, what?
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So that truly was the beginning of all this.
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That was actually part of the plot.
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Yeah.
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Was I?
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Because I do not remember. I remember King Mullet being
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at the beginning. And I remember King Mullet being at
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the end. But why he was there, I could not
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tell you.
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And he kept saying, I told you you'd never be
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the man. I told you you'd never be the man.
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Some action movies keep their stories a secret.
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From everybody.
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And what we really realize is that the story is
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not about... specific plot, but it's about the nature of
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the villains preying on people and the good guy having
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to defend and avenge them. Right. And unfortunately, that's what
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this movie is about. It's not about the plot of
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them killing the senator. That's just like the most heightened
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escalation of these bad guys preying on little people.
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Yeah, and it's the same bad guys as they were
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in Vietnam when he walked away because of their unethical interrogation.
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I quit the military.
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Yeah.
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I'm walking home from Vietnam.
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Yep. Because they, you know, historically just let people leave
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Vietnam if they didn't agree with the politics, of course,
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as we all know. And.
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It's the same waxy-faced man who is the main bad guy.
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Henry Silver.
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Yeah. That, to me, was the biggest stretch of the imagination.
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And he has his friend, Fox, who's the guy who
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apparently was like, yeah, get out of here, you. whose
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name is Chelsea Ross. Uh, and it's, they're the same,
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the same guys. So do we like that as like
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a full circle moment that he gets to have? Or
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do we like me just find that.
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It just wasn't. The problem was, is that the, uh,
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their initial interactions just wasn't very interesting or emotional.
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Uh, No. Yeah, I would say the same thing.
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Honestly, we had more of a visceral experience with King
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Mullet in that first bar scene than any of the
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other kind of mustache-twisting, twirling bad guys.
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Mullet twirling.
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Mullet twirling. And then these other guys just felt like
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plot filler, like backstory.
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Yeah, yes. But he sure does kill a whole bunch
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of them. There's so many times when he is surrounded
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in the street by a gang of thugs. And one
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time there's a machete fight and he cuts off a
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dude's hand and then wrecks a poor guy's store.
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That was a note I wrote down. That man died
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from having his hand cut off. He killed him. He
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killed him. Killed him dead.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The man died from having his
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hand cut off.
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A classic Aikido move.
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Yeah. When he gets confronted... But I have to say,
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there's a foot chase where he runs, and I was
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almost like, he runs like a weirdo.
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So I feel like this has been covered on How
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Did This Get Made, but we have to talk about
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how he runs.
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Yeah.
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You know, I don't remember... so I'm hoping these, he,
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so there's a story that like, I mean, Tom Cruise
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is the pinnacle of action movie runners.
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He is the peak.
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Yeah, he is. Yeah. He is the apex. And there
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was someone else. I forget who was in a recent movie.
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And they asked Tom Cruise, what was the secret to
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movie screen running? And he said, run and then film
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yourself running and see how it looks bad. And you're
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not going to run just normal. You have to run
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like an action star.
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Right.
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And the problem is that most people run awkwardly. Yeah.
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And no one runs as awkwardly on screen as Steven
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Seagal in this movie. It's like he's running through a
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patch of waist-high mushrooms that he's pushing aside as As
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he's running, and he's moving them out of the way
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as he runs.
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Yeah, his hands are kind of doing their own thing.
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His body's running, but his hands are like, hey, are
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we gently strolling?
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I want to be gently strong. They have some activity
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that they're doing that we're just not aware of. It's
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like they've almost removed through CGI the objects that are
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in his path.
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You know what I think it is? I think that
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his hands are aware of what the plot of the
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film is and are confused.
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They're trying to escape. Maybe they're manipulating the chi and
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energy around him.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes. He has bad chi, bad energy
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because he's a murderer.
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I am 100% sure that you can go on YouTube
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and watch him running because it is so awkward.
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I believe that his hands know that he is also
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not above the law. Yeah.
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They're trying to escape his body. Right.
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But he is above the law. He's so above the
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law that when they take his badge and gun, his
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cop friend is like, did they take your pistol? Here's
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another one. Have this one. There are so many great
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Chicago accents in this movie.
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Oh, yeah.
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This has got great Chicago. There's a tradition. If you
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shoot in Chicago and you've got to have cops, you.
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There's like two or three guys that you'll see. I
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recognize these guys from the movie The Fugitive.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And these guys are just classic Chicago character actors that
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are great to see whenever they pop up. It's like, oh,
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they definitely filmed in Chicago. There's these two guys.
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I love them. I found them delightful. Uh, did I,
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did I know how they were related to Nico Toscani
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and part of the plot? I did not.
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Unnecessary. Unnecessary. Can I just ask a question though about like,
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this is in connection with the running scenes, right? So
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there's that scene. He chops the dude's hand off, uh,
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who dies and then he's running. His hands are running differently. Uh,
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and then, um, He finds the guy on the ground.
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He's extracting information by kicking him. Then another dude, a
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big guy, a big guy walks up to him and
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they have this strange interaction, which, which I was just like,
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what was the point of this moment in the movie?
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He just knees him and keeps walking. I didn't get it.
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I didn't understand.
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That's gotta be a Steven Seagal generated moment to where
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he wants to Take down this really big guy. No
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story reason.
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No story reason, yeah.
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And again, just kind of show off his different tools
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for taking down this really large big guy.
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Yeah, that makes sense. It was just such a weird
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moment for me. And I was like, what is going on?
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I don't understand.
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It was not necessary. It was not necessary. Yeah.
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Speaking of not necessary... there's a moment I have to
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call out where the, the gang is all cornering him
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in a parking garage. They're, they're all in there. And, uh,
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00:28:52.700 --> 00:28:56.200
King mullet is like, can we wrap this up? I'm
496
00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:02.569
getting hungry. And I was like, yeah, I was like,
497
00:29:02.849 --> 00:29:04.869
this is the realest moment in the whole movie.
498
00:29:05.130 --> 00:29:06.589
You and me both, brother.
499
00:29:06.950 --> 00:29:11.559
Yeah. I would also like to wrap this up. I
500
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.859
would also like to wrap this up. And then he
501
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:16.960
does the whole, like you already mentioned it, Dorian, but
502
00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:19.759
he does the whole Bond villain speech in reverse.
503
00:29:20.180 --> 00:29:20.440
Right.
504
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:26.319
Which I learned recently, Bond villains don't actually do. But
505
00:29:26.500 --> 00:29:28.539
we like to call it a Bond villain speech anyway.
506
00:29:29.059 --> 00:29:30.240
But he does it in reverse.
507
00:29:30.259 --> 00:29:30.319
Oh.
508
00:29:30.890 --> 00:29:36.519
He tells the plot to the waxy man.
509
00:29:36.940 --> 00:29:40.930
Yeah. Oh, our hero tells the whole. plot to the villain.
510
00:29:41.650 --> 00:29:41.930
Right.
511
00:29:42.210 --> 00:29:45.210
Exactly. And that's the moment Dorian was talking about where
512
00:29:45.259 --> 00:29:48.339
it's like, oh, thank God, because I was very confused.
513
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:51.440
So lost. So lost. I know they had showed me
514
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:52.680
a senator at some point.
515
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:53.619
Why?
516
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:54.839
I can't tell you.
517
00:29:55.779 --> 00:29:58.720
Yeah, because he was like, I still don't know, he
518
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:08.079
was like going after their arms dealing? Drug smuggling? Both?
519
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:14.099
Well, they blow up a church, and that really seems
520
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.880
to upset him. And it's C4, so it's like, okay,
521
00:30:17.900 --> 00:30:19.460
these guys gotta be professional.
522
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:20.640
Right.
523
00:30:20.980 --> 00:30:24.230
Which I feel like, let me check, I feel like
524
00:30:24.250 --> 00:30:28.049
that's a residue of Lethal Weapon, because they made a
525
00:30:28.089 --> 00:30:30.819
big deal with that. Lethal Weapon was one year earlier,
526
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:34.339
and they really made a big deal of the professional
527
00:30:34.500 --> 00:30:35.059
use of C4.
528
00:30:35.339 --> 00:30:38.500
Right. Yeah.
529
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:43.960
And honestly, that's when the movie worked the best in
530
00:30:44.019 --> 00:30:47.200
terms of just seeing the carnage of all the people
531
00:30:47.329 --> 00:30:49.950
and being in the hospital, and it got a little
532
00:30:49.990 --> 00:30:53.509
more real, and so we had a little more momentum
533
00:30:53.549 --> 00:30:56.619
for him to be above the law. But then we
534
00:30:56.660 --> 00:31:00.660
kind of get into that jangly mess of various scenes.
535
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.220
Right, yeah. And there's a lot of big confrontations at
536
00:31:05.259 --> 00:31:08.329
the end. There's more than just one big confrontation at
537
00:31:08.369 --> 00:31:11.990
the end. He does drive a guy out of a
538
00:31:12.009 --> 00:31:15.309
parking garage and then leave the car dangling. He just
539
00:31:15.349 --> 00:31:16.970
gets in any car he can find.
540
00:31:18.569 --> 00:31:21.910
And honestly, I felt like that scene had a lot more...
541
00:31:21.769 --> 00:31:24.390
They should have ended the movie in that scene. It
542
00:31:24.430 --> 00:31:25.470
had a lot more.
543
00:31:25.549 --> 00:31:26.710
In the confrontation, yeah.
544
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:28.900
Yeah, it had a lot more energy, a lot more
545
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.980
stakes than the scene in the actual ending where he's
546
00:31:33.059 --> 00:31:36.539
tied up and then just quickly kills everyone.
547
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:40.920
So quickly. And I read that he really, like, broke
548
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:44.140
his nose in that scene and just, like, iced it
549
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:48.970
so he wouldn't get a black eye and, like, continued filming. Which, like, okay,
550
00:31:49.130 --> 00:31:50.450
that's pretty tough.
551
00:31:50.730 --> 00:31:53.839
Steven Seagal, like, good... Good for you.
552
00:31:53.859 --> 00:32:01.680
That's, you know, pretty legendary. But I yeah, I like
553
00:32:01.940 --> 00:32:03.900
I like the scene in the parking garage where he's
554
00:32:03.940 --> 00:32:07.339
taking on like 50 guys at once. He's just like,
555
00:32:07.500 --> 00:32:09.779
I've had enough. I'm going to take on 50 guys
556
00:32:09.819 --> 00:32:11.819
at once and I'm going to drive at them with
557
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:14.500
my car and drive at them with someone else's car
558
00:32:14.579 --> 00:32:17.640
and drive out the parking garage in someone else's car.
559
00:32:18.019 --> 00:32:19.859
But then at the end, like I feel like he
560
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:23.380
wanted to bust out of zip ties. Like Steven Seagal
561
00:32:23.420 --> 00:32:25.720
was like, you know what would be great? I can
562
00:32:25.779 --> 00:32:30.029
bust out a zip ties. Little zip ties. Not some
563
00:32:30.109 --> 00:32:33.269
full-size zip ties. Little zip ties.
564
00:32:34.269 --> 00:32:35.970
Professional-grade zip ties.
565
00:32:36.630 --> 00:32:39.690
Yeah, I can bust out of those and kill everyone
566
00:32:39.809 --> 00:32:40.529
all at once.
567
00:32:41.490 --> 00:32:46.630
And they were like, okay. On the note of him
568
00:32:46.690 --> 00:32:51.269
breaking his nose and just muscling through it, the last
569
00:32:51.309 --> 00:32:54.670
movie we covered, Never Say Never Again, with Sean Connery,
570
00:32:55.630 --> 00:33:01.140
Steven Seagal was his martial arts trainer. And apparently Connery
571
00:33:01.180 --> 00:33:03.500
got a little cocky and Steven Seagal said, oh, you
572
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:05.819
want to see what real martial arts is like? And
573
00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:12.430
he basically flipped Connery and broke Connery's wrist. And Connery
574
00:33:12.490 --> 00:33:15.829
just muscled through the whole shoot with a broken wrist
575
00:33:17.690 --> 00:33:18.769
thanks to Steven Seagal.
576
00:33:19.690 --> 00:33:23.059
Steven Seagal, am I wrong? Does he suck?
577
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:29.619
Not only does he suck, but if you do, celebrities
578
00:33:29.660 --> 00:33:33.009
complain about who is the worst celebrity, and it's almost
579
00:33:33.269 --> 00:33:34.329
all Steven Seagal.
580
00:33:34.769 --> 00:33:37.390
Yeah, it's always Seagal. In fact, he's on the top
581
00:33:37.390 --> 00:33:40.630
10 list of worst SNL hosts that have ever been.
582
00:33:40.650 --> 00:33:47.599
Just because, one, he takes himself very seriously.
583
00:33:48.349 --> 00:33:52.230
Uh and he and two he has totally banana pants.
584
00:33:51.950 --> 00:33:56.009
Ideas right yeah yeah and i i only know like
585
00:33:56.049 --> 00:33:59.150
the absurd stuff about him like i don't i don't
586
00:33:59.190 --> 00:34:01.769
really know any facts and i don't want to know
587
00:34:01.829 --> 00:34:04.549
any facts like i'm not here to do research about
588
00:34:04.670 --> 00:34:10.300
like what the real right is like uh but i
589
00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:12.619
yeah i don't know anything about him except for all
590
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:15.239
the like really absurd stuff like the snl stuff and
591
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.059
like And then.
592
00:34:16.940 --> 00:34:19.579
Where he is now, basically, he just wants to sit
593
00:34:19.659 --> 00:34:23.090
in a rolling chair doing martial arts as they CGI
594
00:34:23.130 --> 00:34:23.829
the background.
595
00:34:23.849 --> 00:34:27.849
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is, you know, the retirement
596
00:34:27.889 --> 00:34:34.820
he deserves, I guess. Okay, so... And I already, like,
597
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.900
I took so many notes. I really did. But they, like,
598
00:34:38.019 --> 00:34:45.539
they're all gobbledygook. They're really... It's me trying to figure
599
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:49.909
out the plot and not being able to figure out
600
00:34:49.929 --> 00:34:52.010
the plot and being like, okay, it's drugs. No, it's
601
00:34:52.050 --> 00:34:54.849
not drugs. It's C4. No, it's not C4. It's an
602
00:34:54.929 --> 00:34:58.090
assassination plot against the priest. No, it's not an assassination
603
00:34:58.909 --> 00:35:05.909
against the priest. It's assassination plot against the senator's assistant. No,
604
00:35:05.969 --> 00:35:08.820
that was just one... No, that wasn't it either.
605
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:08.969
And I.
606
00:35:13.650 --> 00:35:19.769
Oh, there's a Japanese hacker lady at some point who
607
00:35:19.849 --> 00:35:23.130
hacks into the CIA mainframe for him.
608
00:35:23.969 --> 00:35:27.489
At one point, Sharon Stone leans over to Steven Seagal
609
00:35:27.670 --> 00:35:36.420
and goes, why did we go to church? I think
610
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.920
there's a little more commentary in this film than we
611
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:40.659
want to talk about.
612
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:45.599
Yeah. Let me just reiterate that it is just great
613
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:49.719
to watch Pam Greer in anything she does in this movie.
614
00:35:49.739 --> 00:35:52.300
Agreed. Agreed. Absolutely.
615
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:54.739
But it's like you don't want to talk about how
616
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:57.219
great Pam Greer is because the rest of the movie
617
00:35:57.300 --> 00:36:00.079
is so bananas.
618
00:36:00.219 --> 00:36:05.619
But she really gets to be an actual police detective.
619
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:09.280
She's not sexualized. She is full on his partner in
620
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:13.260
this movie. And she gets a lot of screen time.
621
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.320
There are several moments, though, where men approach her and
622
00:36:17.380 --> 00:36:20.079
are like, hey, you're a sexy lady. And she has
623
00:36:20.099 --> 00:36:23.539
to be like, I'm also a badass cop. And they're like, okay,
624
00:36:23.619 --> 00:36:27.230
we'll leave you alone. At the barbecue at his house,
625
00:36:27.309 --> 00:36:29.789
she comes walking up in a nice outfit. And this
626
00:36:29.909 --> 00:36:33.090
one guy's like, oh, she could arrest me any time.
627
00:36:33.230 --> 00:36:39.860
Bada bing. And it's like, stop sexually harassing your friend. Like,
628
00:36:42.139 --> 00:36:43.880
But I guess that's just how you greet people.
629
00:36:43.940 --> 00:36:46.949
What is the 80s? And I'm Italian.
630
00:36:47.260 --> 00:36:49.690
And he was above the law as well. I mean,
631
00:36:49.730 --> 00:36:51.789
there are so many people that are above the law
632
00:36:51.809 --> 00:36:55.289
in this movie, except for Pam Greer. Yeah, agreed.
633
00:36:57.789 --> 00:36:59.969
Pam Greer, who gets shot and is like, don't tell
634
00:37:00.010 --> 00:37:01.690
me what to do. I'm still going to be part
635
00:37:01.710 --> 00:37:03.949
of this case, even with my arm in a sling.
636
00:37:05.699 --> 00:37:08.059
But yeah, no, Pam Greer is the breath of fresh
637
00:37:08.179 --> 00:37:14.809
air that this movie needs. Doesn't deserve. Yeah, Sharon Stone,
638
00:37:14.869 --> 00:37:18.989
who is just beautiful and doesn't get to do much
639
00:37:19.190 --> 00:37:21.710
acting in this movie besides holding a fake baby.
640
00:37:21.730 --> 00:37:27.380
If you want to see another early Sharon Stone before
641
00:37:27.460 --> 00:37:30.519
she's a star and she is having to slum it,
642
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:38.780
see the Alan Quartermain movies by Canon Film with Richard Chamberlain. Oh,
643
00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:42.610
my God. She is like a crazy like Willie Scott character.
644
00:37:42.630 --> 00:37:50.250
The leading lady in Richard Chamberlain's very off brand Indiana
645
00:37:50.309 --> 00:37:51.110
Jones movie.
646
00:37:51.610 --> 00:37:54.179
I love it. I will definitely check that out. I
647
00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:57.079
because I love Sharon Stone. I think she's great. And
648
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.460
I continue to think that she's great. In all the
649
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.050
bonkers banana pants.
650
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:03.489
You know.
651
00:38:03.530 --> 00:38:06.230
In that one she did with Bob Odenkirk. Where she's
652
00:38:06.269 --> 00:38:09.929
the bad guy. And he's like. It's called nobody. I
653
00:38:10.130 --> 00:38:13.230
think it's nobody too. He's just like so over the top.
654
00:38:13.289 --> 00:38:16.869
I'm like yeah. You work Sharon Stone. Get out there
655
00:38:16.929 --> 00:38:19.519
and do your thing. I want you in an eye patch.
656
00:38:20.380 --> 00:38:23.900
Chewing up scenery. That's what I want. That's what I
657
00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:28.320
want for you. Okay. So on a scale of one mullet.
658
00:38:29.340 --> 00:38:33.019
to 10 mullets.
659
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.719
The mullets are distracting me. I'm judging it off of
660
00:38:35.780 --> 00:38:37.050
the quantity of mullets.
661
00:38:37.789 --> 00:38:42.789
Yeah, there's a lot of mullets. Okay. How many mullets
662
00:38:43.349 --> 00:38:47.489
do you give above the law? And I feel like
663
00:38:47.630 --> 00:38:49.929
we've been at this 40 minutes. I'm not sure we
664
00:38:49.949 --> 00:38:54.980
talked about the movie at all. I've never felt more incomplete.
665
00:38:56.940 --> 00:39:00.510
But I'm going to give this movie 10 mullets for
666
00:39:00.570 --> 00:39:04.300
two reasons. Yeah. One, if you have 10 mullets around you,
667
00:39:04.309 --> 00:39:10.210
you can't see anything. So therefore, everything is obscured. This
668
00:39:10.269 --> 00:39:12.139
movie was obscured by all the mullets.
669
00:39:14.260 --> 00:39:16.679
But you think this is a 10 mullet movie?
670
00:39:16.699 --> 00:39:17.360
No, I'm kidding.
671
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:22.159
I'm joking. I'm joking. No, I'd give this movie a four,
672
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.260
four out of 10 mullets. I mean, if we are
673
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:28.230
judging the quality of the film and the plot and
674
00:39:28.289 --> 00:39:32.400
the ability to follow it uh you know i'll give
675
00:39:32.420 --> 00:39:33.559
it a five.
676
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:35.559
Knocks against it those are knocks.
677
00:39:35.619 --> 00:39:39.940
Yeah i will give it a five because pam greer yeah.
678
00:39:40.769 --> 00:39:42.690
That's exactly my rating. I was going to give it
679
00:39:42.730 --> 00:39:44.829
a four, but I give it a five because Pam
680
00:39:44.869 --> 00:39:45.929
Greer like that.
681
00:39:45.949 --> 00:39:49.000
A hundred percent. That is exactly my rating as well.
682
00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:52.639
It is a five because of Pam Greer. And honestly,
683
00:39:52.780 --> 00:39:57.599
like Steven Seagal, I feel does a admirable job. I
684
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.119
wouldn't say it's great, but I, again, I have to
685
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.010
put it in context of, of where he, this being
686
00:40:04.090 --> 00:40:05.889
his film debut, you know?
687
00:40:06.510 --> 00:40:11.309
Right, right, right, right. Um, yeah. And people saw this
688
00:40:11.369 --> 00:40:13.949
and we're still like, no, no, let's, let's do it again.
689
00:40:14.469 --> 00:40:15.469
Let's give him another.
690
00:40:15.489 --> 00:40:19.530
And I will say like, if you've never seen under
691
00:40:19.570 --> 00:40:23.039
siege one, it's a good movie. Uh, it's fun to watch.
692
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:27.199
And he somehow, cause I don't think that his acting
693
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:33.219
has changed much. Uh, somehow they found that slot to
694
00:40:33.260 --> 00:40:35.260
put him in. You know what I mean? They found
695
00:40:35.300 --> 00:40:38.500
the place where he works. Uh, which, you know, they
696
00:40:38.539 --> 00:40:40.599
do with a lot of actors. Like, here's your wheelhouse.
697
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:45.210
When you're inside of it, you're great. So, you know, don't...
698
00:40:47.590 --> 00:40:51.449
Steven Scull himself aside, the Under Siege products are pretty
699
00:40:51.489 --> 00:40:51.969
dang good.
700
00:40:53.250 --> 00:40:55.530
Nice. Okay, I'm still not going to see it, but
701
00:40:55.590 --> 00:40:56.949
I appreciate your recommendation.
702
00:40:57.429 --> 00:40:59.570
She's going to see the Alan Quartermain movie.
703
00:40:59.889 --> 00:41:03.019
Or at least... I mean, the Alan Quartermain movies are amazing.
704
00:41:04.219 --> 00:41:07.280
At least if you're not going to.
705
00:41:08.860 --> 00:41:14.869
See the Under Siege movies. Maybe I shouldn't see them either.
706
00:41:14.889 --> 00:41:17.550
I don't know if they'll hold up in my own soul.
707
00:41:18.289 --> 00:41:20.190
I think you might be disappointed.
708
00:41:20.869 --> 00:41:22.599
It's fine.
709
00:41:23.380 --> 00:41:25.900
Henry Silva is in Alan Quartermain.
710
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:30.960
No! That's probably where I recognized him from.
711
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:31.159
Wow.
712
00:41:33.619 --> 00:41:36.119
Wow, wow, wow. So he was like, oh, Sharon Stone,
713
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:38.320
welcome back. We've worked together before.
714
00:41:38.340 --> 00:41:42.650
He's an interesting actor. He's almost kind of like Richard
715
00:41:42.969 --> 00:41:46.510
Montalban's evil brother.
716
00:41:46.570 --> 00:41:49.150
I see that, yeah.
717
00:41:49.210 --> 00:41:52.469
His face doesn't look real, and I hate that I'm
718
00:41:52.489 --> 00:41:56.809
commenting on someone's physical appearance in that way, but his
719
00:41:56.869 --> 00:41:58.050
face seems like a mask.
720
00:41:59.650 --> 00:42:03.070
Yeah, he looks like Skeletor.
721
00:42:04.019 --> 00:42:08.639
He does. So speaking of recommendations, Dorian, we typically go
722
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:10.710
in the order that we went for the rating. So
723
00:42:10.750 --> 00:42:12.869
since you jump in and went first, you get to
724
00:42:12.909 --> 00:42:15.429
do your deep cut recommendation.
725
00:42:15.449 --> 00:42:17.469
I don't know how much of a deep cut it is.
726
00:42:18.650 --> 00:42:21.429
And it can't be under siege. You can't recommend under siege.
727
00:42:21.510 --> 00:42:23.400
I'm putting my foot down about that right now.
728
00:42:23.420 --> 00:42:26.079
Let me pick something new. I'm kidding. It wasn't going
729
00:42:26.099 --> 00:42:28.659
to be under siege. No, I want to shout out.
730
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.139
You'd mentioned talking about how great Pam Greer is in
731
00:42:32.179 --> 00:42:39.110
this movie. I'm shouting out Jackie Brown as a great film,
732
00:42:39.530 --> 00:42:43.309
an amazing film, but also kind of falls into this 80s, 70s,
733
00:42:43.710 --> 00:42:51.900
80s genre itself, but with the Tarantino flavor. And Pam
734
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.000
Greer is amazing in that as well. So go get
735
00:42:54.019 --> 00:42:55.099
yourself some more Pam Greer.
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Yeah, she is the standout of this movie, to be sure. Uh,
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what about you, Nathan? What is your deep cut recommendation?
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So my D cup deep cut recommendation is, so I,
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I actually took Aikido, um, for a semester. And so
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I'm not a great, um, participant of sports or sports
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related activities, um, including martial arts, uh, even though I've
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taken a couple, um, I think, yeah, I think I got,
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I remember definitely playing hooky, like driving a half hour
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to the actual school and then turning left when I
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should have turned right. And it's like, oh, that's the
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most amazing experience of just playing hooky. But still, the
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experience is good. And so I recommend either taking, it
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doesn't have to be a martial art, but something a
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little out of your comfort zone. It could be a
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yoga class or something physical if you're an indoor kid
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like me. And it does give you an interesting perspective
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and experience to draw from in the future. Even though
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I'm definitely in a chair pretty much all day long.
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But just having the experience of having taken Aikido and
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some of those life experiences, I would recommend something like that.
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I love it. That's great. I took some Krav Maga.
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Okay, wow.
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Cool.
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Yeah. Which I loved, but then the pandemic put a
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stop to my learning. And it's been many years since
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the pandemic ended and I haven't gone back. So woe
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is me. I became a couch potato during the pandemic
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and I aim to stay that way. So I have
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Two recommendations. One, I'm really proud of because Pam Greer
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appears in one of my favorite movies. And as I watched,
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I realized that Chelsea Ross is also in Bill and
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00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:18.210
Ted's Bogus Journey with Pam Greer. And... and Chelsea Ross
768
00:45:18.369 --> 00:45:22.510
are both in Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey from 1991
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so that is my official deep cut recommendation but something
770
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:34.320
else occurred to me while watching this movie is that
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in the end when he is surrounded just literally surrounded
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by enemies and he takes them all out one by
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one it reminded me of another movie I saw very
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recently where the hero finds himself in a room with
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108 guys and he's got to try and kill them
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00:46:01.590 --> 00:46:07.019
all with one bow and arrow. I would recommend Christopher
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00:46:07.059 --> 00:46:08.519
Nolan's The Odyssey.
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Just as a better movie.
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Just as a better movie. And because I find that
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00:46:18.269 --> 00:46:20.789
much like, you know, what is the joke that men
781
00:46:20.809 --> 00:46:24.090
are always thinking about World War II, right? I've just
782
00:46:24.130 --> 00:46:26.789
been always thinking about the Odyssey since we saw it.
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00:46:26.849 --> 00:46:29.329
And I can't get enough of the memes and stuff. Like,
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00:46:29.670 --> 00:46:30.969
have you seen it yet, Nathan?
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00:46:30.989 --> 00:46:31.630
Mm-hmm.
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00:46:31.989 --> 00:46:33.619
Mm-hmm. Did you love it?
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00:46:33.630 --> 00:46:34.349
Uh-huh.
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00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:34.929
Yeah.
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00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:35.380
Yeah.
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I'm pro the Odyssey.
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00:46:35.949 --> 00:46:38.989
Yeah, it's really amazing. Yeah, it's really amazing. And I
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00:46:39.030 --> 00:46:41.340
just love all the little facts I'm learning about it
793
00:46:41.420 --> 00:46:45.090
and stuff, so. That is my deep cut recommendation. And
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00:46:45.139 --> 00:46:47.449
we'll see how many times I can recommend that over
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the next several months.
796
00:46:49.349 --> 00:46:52.289
Just going to work the Odyssey into everything you're doing.
797
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.340
That's my plan. I'll find a way to recommend the Odyssey.
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00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:57.440
Yeah.
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Okay. So, all right, we're going to do a little
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bonus content at the end. And we adapted my original question,
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which was, what's your least favorite movie to what's your
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least favorite movie of the movies we've done?
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Yes.
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On the pod. So Dorian starts scrolling through our back catalog. Yeah.
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Wait, the question is, what is the.
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Least favorite movie of the movies we've covered on the podcast?
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Oh, God. That may be impossible for me to answer.
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That's our bonus content. So if you want that sweet,
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Tell your local King Mullet who runs the diviest bar
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the most excellent 80s movies. And thank you so much
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for listening and being with us here at the end. Dorian,
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where can people find you and support your various endeavors?
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What do you want to find? Well, you could find
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me at the same place you could find Chrissy, the
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Neighborhood Comedy Theater in downtown Mesa, where we're doing shows
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all the time. Come check one out.
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Yeah, we got a show tonight. We got a show
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tomorrow night. We got a show Saturday night. We got
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a show popping. And as the saying goes, if you
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come and join us and you tell Dorian or Chrissy
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that you are a listener of the most excellent 80s
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movies podcast, we will buy you a drink at the
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Sacred Pint.
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That's right.
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The Sacred Pint is the little pub in the front
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of the theater, and I will buy you a sacred
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pint stop in see us in a show figure out
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what my face looks like and i will buy you
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a sacred pint right dorian yeah yeah i.
843
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Will buy you a sacred pint we'll buy you.
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00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:41.050
Two sacred bites no that's too many Okay.
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Well, they do half pour. So how about we'll buy
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you a pour and a half of Sacred Pint beer.
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Perfect. Perfect.
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They do have different beers. They're not just called Sacred Pint. Yeah.
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They have a wide variety.
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I will buy you a beer from Sacred Pint. They
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have a wide variety. Nathan, where can people find and
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support your filmmaking work?
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Squishy studios.com is probably the best place. I think I
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need to find a new website.
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Host provider.
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Just need to, just need to, you know, just been
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an old platform for a while. I need to update
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the website. Anyway.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Update that shit. And you can also find me
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on gank that drank a supernatural drinking game. which is
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also a product of True Story FM, where we make
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up drinking game rules and play along to our favorite
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episodes of our favorite show, Supernatural. And once again, thank
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you so much. We appreciate you and we love you
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and stick around for our bonus content. And when you're
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out there in the world, keep the most excellent 80s
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movies podcast motto in mind. Be excellent to each other
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and party on, dudes. i love that wow at the
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end yeah that's.
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My odyssey quote that's my odyssey quote
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It sounds like a didgeridoo when we do it right