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Speaker 1: This is the almost Famous podcast with iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: It's vacination Joan Bassos and Rachel Rikia jumping in to take over for the almost Famous podcast. We just got back from the Golden Bauchler finalion after the Final Rose taping, and we're going to talk all about it. So consider this your spoiler alert if you haven't watched the finale yet, because we are about to cover it all. Okay, Rachel, we have so much to talk about it.
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Speaker 3: So me and Joan drove together on the way here and I was like, Okay, let's just like make sure we're on the same page. Joan has so many good points, and I was so excited for everyone to hear her point of view because I think you have such a unique perspective being the only Golden Bachelorette, and in my opinion, maybe.
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Speaker 2: Ever well, well we don't know about that. We don't know, but no, but I feel like we have a lot of the same opinions. You've been through this journey also, and I don't think it's all that different coming from the different age. So what I really want to talk about, like how this story out as a cliffhanger, so we have all now waited a week to find out what's going to happen with Cindy and Cindy. I feel like, Okay, first of all, let's let's guess, did you who did you think was going to win?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 3: I feel like the way they made it seem we would think that it's Cindy because she is, like you said so many times on the way here, she's so emotionally available, and I think we get Sidney's inner monologue of how she's truly feeling, and I think it could have been pegged all along, but maybe we just didn't know because she hasn't been so upfront with her emotions.
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Speaker 2: But then neither has he, So maybe like like, could that ever work? If neither one have seen how they feel? Could that early ever work? So I feel like you that Cindy was going to be the winner, because you can't have two emotionally unavailable people actually coming together. It just seems like so unlikely that it wouldn't work. But I did feel like he was starting to give her what she needed. I think the cliffhanger ended with her saying this begs the question.
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Speaker 1: Are you ready or are you will?
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Speaker 2: Do you have the will? Then he said, if there's a will, a way she guts. The question is do you have the will? And he said yes. So I thought, okay, okay, we're ahead in the right direction. Now I'm feeling good about it. But as the conversation continued, it started going negatively and I'm not really sure where it went off so badly because I didn't feel like Mel was being any different than he had ever been, and maybe he was getting a slight bit more. Finally he was saying, yeah, there is a will. If we want to do it, we can make it happen. I'm not completely there. I'm not in love, but he said, you know, I think I felt like he was encouraging, and then all of a sudden it flipped, and I'm like, what the heck?
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Speaker 3: I think it's so interesting because I think it is such a Bachelor Nation thing to give an ultimatum before a fantasy toe and so many different and even going into mine on The Bachelor when I was a contestant, I remember telling him I'm falling in love with you. If you don't even feel like you're near that, how are we gonna get through this? So I want to be like, you know that overnight time. It does tell you a lot. So much happens, so I get it, but like getting that little bit that you need to go into that. I understand her, but I think, like you said earlier, like he is just not giving enough or I feel like she's done.
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Speaker 2: Sing too much from him and it all came down to this moment and he hasn't given that to her the entire season. I think she was expecting too much and I think they could have gone and done fantasy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your opinion on that?
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Speaker 3: Do you think she should have definitely gone even just really I mean the conversation is the biggest part. It really you find out so much much and I think we can't even express that to the audience, Like that is where you.
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Speaker 1: Kind of start to make a decision so much.
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Speaker 2: I figured out mine at my fantasy suites and I said, I'm not having a physical relationship in the fantasy suites. I think that it's hard on the relationship that comes out of phantasy suits, I mean out of you know, no iconic to this day, I just felt like that would give me a better outcome, and I feel like she missed that opportunity and that may have gotten mel to where he is now with Peggy and she or with Peg, and she never gave him the chance. And I feel like I got to wonder if she's ever going to look back on this and say, maybe I spread that up that you know, that one last day, that one really meaningful, those meaningful conversations could have gotten him to where he was with Peg, and she could be she could have been sitting on that stage at the end of tonight.
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Speaker 3: I know. And I just feel like we heard mel say so many times tonight. He has such a sports mindset.
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Speaker 2: Every over till it's over, quit the game Twitter, Yeah, And I think.
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Speaker 3: In his mind she was quitting. She was a quitter, and he wanted someone that was going to play until the game was over. And then as soon as Sidney, I feel like maybe she wanted him go after her a little bit as much as she says I don't.
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Speaker 1: I think she was shocked he did it.
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Speaker 2: I was surprised he didn't. I was surprised too, sat there and was like, Okay, I'm done, but you know, I really want to be the girl too.
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Speaker 3: Like no, we love Sydney, Like I related to Sidney more than Peg for sure.
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Speaker 2: Oh I agree I did, and I love that she took the power back and didn't give it to him. I'm not positive she did the right thing.
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Speaker 3: I would agree, I wish you would have just I wanted more conversation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really want to be like, you go, girl, you did it. You had the power, you as much power as he does. But god, I'm not sure if she did the right thing. And I'm really disappointed to myself because I want to be all about that bold move. I know I'm trying.
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Speaker 1: To be all about the bold no, and I love the bold move.
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Speaker 3: But I think with Bachelor, the moments that moved me the most are the moments were like, you're feeling so sorry because this person put everything out there and the Bachelor Bachelor rejected them and they can't do anything about it, and it just makes you feel for them. And I wish we had that moment with Sydney where if she wasn't chosen, that we could feel that and we'd.
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Speaker 2: Be like cheerly cheering for her to be the next Golden Bachelerette. Yes, because she loved and lost and she really yeah, you're right, she stayed the whole course, and now we're like, oh and There's another part of that that bothers me a little bit that I feel like it cheated a Peg out of being picked.
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Speaker 1: I Peg love that you said that in the car choice there was no choice.
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Speaker 2: She was only the only person left I would have loved. And now I know like that would have been really heartbreaking for Cindy, right if she had stayed the course on Fantasy Suites and then he picked Peg instead of her. But I feel like as far as their relationship, I feel like it would have been really good for Peg. I would have made their relationship stronger.
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Speaker 1: What did you.
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Speaker 3: Think when they went into the conversation The next morning he came to her room.
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Speaker 1: I was sitting there and I'm like, can you spit it out? It was is on like she thought she was getting broken.
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Speaker 2: Up with and she and she was being like really like she was like, okay, okay, all right, well okay, I understand I understand. No matter what, this will never change the way I feel about you. Like what he know by that? Yeah, why wouldn't have changed the way he felt about her?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: Was he saying I felt more strongly about you anyway, so her leaving makes no difference. He never says, right, he just just he was saying, it doesn't make me change the way I feel about you, and I'm like, I don't understand that, and she kept saying, okay, okay, okay. That was a really uncomfortable conversation.
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Speaker 3: And I think it's uncomfortable because we're watching two very unemotional people who are not opening up, and you're watching them just kind of like kind of have a conversation about their feeling like she's the last one, she's a winner.
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Speaker 2: They dance around so much and never say how they really feel. How are you guys going to get there?
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Speaker 3: I mean, it might be perfect for each other because they just don't have a feeling, which I mean, at some point, I do understand not putting feelings first, putting logic first, but in this environment, you have to be a little bit vulnerable.
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Speaker 1: And they didn't even give us a.
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Speaker 2: Little somebody wanted to. At least we've gotten zero.
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Speaker 1: We got it most from Sydney's who. We got it from this whole episode. We got the most emotion out of Sydney.
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Speaker 2: But what I did like, and I felt like I learned a lot about Mail and it was not from mal. It was from the Suns and when I think Peg did that really good? You know, pick one or the other. They told us a lot about him and just that really conversation like that we haven't seen. I haven't seen a great sense of humor. I haven't seen, you know, the things that the adjectives that they chose, I think they hadn't actually seen. And I thought that was the most revealing thing that we got out of this maybe this whole show about melnd Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And his friend.
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Speaker 3: I remember she said that he's the life of the party and he brings the energy, and I'm like, are we talking about this mel Ewis. It was so interesting because those are the people that know him the most, and I wish he would have let us see that side, but he just chose to not.
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Speaker 2: A bit. I wonder if maybe it's the way this season was produced or edited, because I know these women are all like pretty incredible, they're beautiful women, they're smart, they're accomplished, and they have all kind of fallen for him, and I don't feel like they would have fallen for this empty person that we are seeing, this person that hasn't given anything. So I very much wonder if it's being produced in a way that we are just being left out of these conversations. We don't see him.
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Speaker 3: I mean you would like to think so, right, I mean he is a good looking man, like we can wrie and I think sometimes they can put a good looking bachelor in front of us.
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Speaker 1: He could say nothing will all fall for him. It happened before.
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Speaker 3: But I mean their emotion that they haven't as you would think, there is something exactly right, like behind.
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Speaker 2: The scenes, was so emotionally invested, like on day one in st Cheryl and Debbie and I mean there's so many of them that were emotionally invested really really early on, which just so just like jive with my the way I'm thinking of these women, these being strong and accomplished and like have lived a lot of life. They're not just falling for some smock genuinely like an empty guy that isn't going to provide anything anything to life, because these all these women have pretty rich lives already, families, they've worked a lot, They've gone through a lot of years to make the life that they have and their good lives. They do not need an empty guy to just be feeling in the bed next to them.
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Speaker 3: Truly, and I think we could maybe see that more with like our side of the bacher, where it's like, I've never been married, I don't really know what this is supposed to feel, whereas like on the flip side, all of those women have been in love most of them and have experienced the life of their life.
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Speaker 1: So if this isn't even kind of close, why would you push that? Would you do such a good point? This is things like I don't even think about.
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Speaker 2: I'm just like, what isn't the edit it has I feel like, maybe, okay, so let's get to let's get to the proposal.
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Speaker 1: I quote I put it in quoted.
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Speaker 2: These are air quotes I'm doing right now. If you can't see me, that was so sorry.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So we see this beautiful scene and malth he's on an island in the middle.
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Speaker 2: Of a beautiful but there was like another They took him to the deserted island to look like or at least a deserted beach. He's standing there, yes, like beautiful blue suit. She comes in that awesome dress. The best seeing her look in like carry yeah, carc that man we're giving you, and.
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Speaker 3: She winds blowing the speeches are happening. Yeah, what's gonna happen?
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Speaker 1: She's not.
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Speaker 2: She didn't, did she I love you? In that speech?
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Speaker 1: No she did.
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Speaker 2: I didn't think so.
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Speaker 3: And you know what I was also thinking now that we're talking about it. You know, when we're talking about like finalely the day, like you always see the people getting ready, they're on their balcony, they're dry, they're talking about how in love they are, their emotions.
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Speaker 1: I don't even think we got some bee roll of Pat talking about her emotion. I don't think so at all.
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Speaker 2: They're holding up the dress that they think they're gonna get.
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Speaker 1: That this is the most looking at their.
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Speaker 2: Jewelry they're trying to do it.
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Speaker 1: Just caught it.
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Speaker 2: They were on an island, boats island, motor boats island with windblow.
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Speaker 3: And and all of a sudden the neolane pops out, and you have such a good point about the meal lane.
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Speaker 2: Of what the ring look is being a hard time to see. So he does his speech after she does her speech. Her speech was kind of a lot about like how much fun they had together. Once again, didn't talk a lot of emotions. He just didn't really either talked about you know, like him coming along in this process and getting to where they are. I'm positive I love you to her? God, how do I not remember this? Because they did it, they didn't say it right, No, so neither one of them said I love you.
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Speaker 1: You know if I'm wrong, we could.
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Speaker 2: I don't think we're wrong because we would remember.
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Speaker 1: They revealed the feeling. I think we're getting confused.
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Speaker 2: So here we are standing on the like engagement the pedestal. There he pulls out a ring, not opens on one, but think it's a neelain. We all know what that means. Right, it's an engagement ring, except for he doesn't say, will you marry me? He does this roundabout speech about exploring the future with you. Sounds engagement right. I couldn't see the ring very good. He puts it on her finger. It doesn't look like a single diamond, so it looks maybe not like an engagement ring. He doesn't say will you marry me? They are like missing limits to this proposal. But I still walk away thinking maybe there are maybe he did it, maybe they're engaged. And then they were engaged and the car he said to me, are they engaged? And I'm like, no, I don't.
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Speaker 1: They are I think they didn't get engaged.
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Speaker 2: They didn't get engaged. I'm positive of it. Now.
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Speaker 1: Why was there a ring because we had promister ring?
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Speaker 3: Well, I remember on Matt James' season with Rachel he said, I, I'm not going to propose. We always feel like we know they are not proposing. The ring went on the finger, the champagne was popped.
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Speaker 2: It sure was. They were like who and then we did it all of a sudden, live audience, the happy couple comes out there. They are looking for you, looking.
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Speaker 1: Done, address, great energy.
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Speaker 2: Pat I wore a short version of shout out.
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Speaker 3: To you ran your own and Jesse goes, do you have plans on getting engaged.
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Speaker 1: Like everyone in the audience not just watch? It makes sense. But he didn't get on one knee?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I found you because be able to get.
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Speaker 1: Up all of it. It's not very stable. Yeah, you know, it makes sense.
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Speaker 2: It all makes sense.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so they're not engaged, but they are together and they finally said the words we've been waiting to hear. But before they said it, they said, we know that neither one of us are emotional people, so it's we're working on that.
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Speaker 1: And then he said.
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Speaker 2: I love this woman and she said I love him, and that was finally. It was literally in the last moments of the show, maybe the last thirty cents.
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Speaker 1: Which is absolutely crazy.
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Speaker 3: I think we have never in history seen a final couple sit on that stage and say we're not big on feels, the use, we're not big on fields, and we're like, I'm like, am I supposed to feel a motion towards you as a.
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Speaker 1: Couple and root for you?
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Speaker 3: Now when you're up there saying you don't, you barely have emotions.
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Speaker 2: It's a very odd thing to happen in a bachelor season. Okay, they both knew they came on this show. The show is really about feelings. It's funny that it's only think it's a out.
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Speaker 3: No, genuinely, that's fine, comes and it is so much fun, but it's coming down to who can you spend the rest of your life with?
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Speaker 2: Like, feelings are going to be important here, and both of them say that they're not good about expressing feelings, which is hilarious that they ended up together at the end of the Soldier.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about this.
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Speaker 3: It does make sense we see them maybe, you know what, Like, I don't know if Sidney could have really stayed knowing that, like there wasn't a proposal, that the love you came so far down the line.
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Speaker 1: It really had to have.
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Speaker 3: Been pegged because she's fine with going at his pace, and like that she admitted that she wasn't in love with him when he wasn't in love with her yet.
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's the thing that made him comfortable, Like the pressure was off and he was not ready to commit. And if Cidy had just given him a little grace and just said, like, I'll go at your pace, I'm good with that, she could have been the last one standing. Yeah, I'm still I'm still.
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Speaker 1: A little I know.
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Speaker 2: I love that they are together. I love that they're in love now. They looked extremely happy. I still think that there was a path that Cidy could have gotten there too. And I feel like we bachelination mitched, miss jumped.
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Speaker 1: I agree, and it's just empty.
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Speaker 3: I've been in so many fars I don't think I've ever walked away feeling so disconnected from the franchise. In a way, I'm like God, because it's like the franchise and it has nothing to do with them.
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Speaker 1: It's just the amount of like.
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Speaker 3: No emotion, lack of emotions, especially on the last day, so I only had one person going into my last day.
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Speaker 2: I was so emotional and like, I don't think it's bad to not have two people coming to you know, the engagement, you know, mound or circle or whatever it is artificial. I think it's very uncomfortable and we feel very sorry for that person. So I'm not It doesn't bother me when when the person chooses to not have them come there and goes and says, you're not that person for me, But she's self eliminated, and so I feel like we missed that conversation. Like I like it when they don't have two people coming to the proposal.
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Speaker 3: And you're excited and oh my gosh, they're in love and it's just her and she does.
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Speaker 1: And she's going to be so excited.
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Speaker 2: It was just her. We lost all of that, and I get that nothing.
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Speaker 3: They try to like keep us on the hook with like even when he was going to have her meet and his family, he was like, well, you know, maybe there's still it might not be her.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, then who's it going to be? No One like like it like.
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Speaker 3: It was a hard watch and I feel like we want to root for them, like we do root for them, but sitting here, I'm just like the whole world is definitely half of them are going to think they're engaged half or not. We know that he loves food, what else do we know? Like the season's over, what do I actually know about him?
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Speaker 1: And what do I know about the pet?
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Speaker 2: They have a really busy they did talk about like their very busy schedule and going forward, I think she's going to wear them out. Do you think they're going to last?
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Speaker 1: You know what.
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Speaker 3: I do, just because I feel like she's along for the ride, he's along for the ride.
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Speaker 1: Feelings will come, if they come.
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Speaker 3: I think at this point, the way they're talking about it is we just want to enjoy each other's company and if it happens, it happens, And sometimes I think.
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Speaker 1: It does work out for those couples.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like they have a lot of fun. Plant Like they talked about the next like like two months, and there's so much to do it on now, they're gonna get it and fit it all in. I think eventually he's going to get tired.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what do you think.
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Speaker 3: I feel like you, out of everyone, would have the best gauge, Like looking back, you guys are still going strong.
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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's hard coming out. And you know this too, you know, being on the show, you're in the in the bubble. Then you do happy couples, which it's less of a bubble. You're not you don't have cameras around you, but you're living out in the real world. Today is the day the test starts.
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Speaker 1: Really, yeah, because they have to be.
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Speaker 2: They exists in the world where there's a lot of criticism and a lot of opinions, and they're gonna have a lot of people coming at them. And I think the next three months are very telling. Yeah, I think that's when, or maybe the next six months.
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Speaker 1: What's your advice to him if he listening. Yeah, because they didn't ask Joan, which I was also pissed about.
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Speaker 3: They asked Gary and Jack and I was like, Joan is sitting right there in the middle, and I think she has advice.
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Speaker 2: Too, I asked Jock, I said, do you want to take that question? Okay, I'm like comic so well, but I can't ask.
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Speaker 1: I was like, Jesse, I.
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Speaker 2: Do I know I do have advice because I feel like like you finally are out with your friends and your family and the world, and you're out in public. And I think some people get they like the fame, and I think you need to like your relationship way more than you like the fame because it's over. I think it destroys people. I think you become as important as people are saying, like you're starting to believe your own press. You know, it was never believe your own press good or bad. Like people are like loving you as a couple, and like you need all that outside reinforcement. It feels good. And when you stop getting that, then it's really on YouTube to be the reinforcement for each other. Yeah, and you just start that process early. You can't wait for it to stop from the public, like it's your responsibility to make sure the relationship is good.
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Speaker 3: I'm interested to see though, him moving forward, because it feels like he didn't like do much press.
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Speaker 1: How involved is he with the public.
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Speaker 3: I feel like for you and for Gary, it was so you know, pushed to the whole world was so excited and everyone was getting ready and his I didn't even know it was starting.
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Speaker 1: It felt kind of just like very private.
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Speaker 2: It was crazy, wasn't it. Yes, Well, I think that he made that wonder a bad statement. I needed to get out there and apologize to the women before anybody was really going to want to listen to his press. I don't think he had an opportunity to do it because he had started the journey in such a bad way and you know, and he overcame that. He really did, He really did overcome that, and he had us all believing that that wasn't a criteria, that age thing that he has said so and like he and it's true, yeah, both of them are so Like he did a really good job of coming from a negative position. He made it back to like ground zero. He just didn't make it past that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be interesting.
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be so interesting because I mean obviously seasons EBB and flow, but like the excitement of yours and Gary's, it just it feels so different this time, which is like, you know, it'll be so interesting to see if we'll get a bachelorette and who it would be.
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Speaker 2: If we do. So, if you if you looked at the audience, really well, so many of the women from his season were.
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Speaker 1: There, weren't almost all? It felt like almost all. Yeah, so.
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Speaker 2: Like let's take well, we're not gonna take another quation, so the logical person to choose probably be sitting. That's kind of like pretty standard bachelor. Yeah, but he had some pretty incredible women on his season. Do you have somebody that you would choose? First of all, would you choose Sidney? And if you didn't choose Cidy, who would you choose from that?
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Speaker 3: It's so difficult, Like obviously it's like you would feel like Sidney. But then we also talked about like maybe if she would have pushed us a little bit further, that I could.
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Speaker 1: Do it for her a little bit more.
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Speaker 3: And Joan and I were talking about this on the way, Like even in Gary season there obviously there was a final three and amazing choices, but I remember Jones like leaving and it really stuck out to me. So I feel like there are so many, like you said, deserving women.
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Speaker 2: But Debbie, so I love the idea sweet, and I love the idea of something different. So like we have Taylor, Frankie Paul, she is a shake up right now. I think it's gonna be an insanely popular season. I think that we like that we've never had one that has three kids, two baby daddies, had a sex scandal, and is a convicted criminal. I mean, let's just put it all out there. We all know it's not I think, though I'm kind of intrigued by her.
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Speaker 1: No I have to watch. I like, I think the whole world.
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Speaker 2: Different, Like we've been seeing maybe the same old thing a lot of a lot of years. So it makes me think that maybe Debbie is a really good choice because we have not seen an older person that has never been married before. In fact, we have very few contestants that I've been married before, only one on the Golden Bachelor season, really only one on my season, and she was the only one on that season. So we had three that have come on the show at all that have not been have never been married.
00:25:33
Speaker 1: I love that. It's such a good I love so badly.
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Speaker 2: I feel like she's never well she's found love before, she's actually had serious relationships, but she's never been married, She's never had like her person, the person you plan your future with and you're going to grow old with. And I feel like I'd really be rooting for her, almost more than I root for Cindy.
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Speaker 3: No, I agree, because it would be the first time the audience, of course golden they always say like second chance, I love, but it's.
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Speaker 1: Her first, just in her golden years. Yeah, that's such a good point.
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Speaker 3: Wait, we shaid start campaigning for this, because that's such a good idea.
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Speaker 2: I'm totally upset it, like a five times on podcast.
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Speaker 3: I really love actual love of her life, the actual her golden years would be beautiful and.
00:26:12
Speaker 2: She would be so per Can you imagine her wedding, Like you have to televise it?
00:26:17
Speaker 1: No, you would have to me and Joan will be in the front row, and I will.
00:26:24
Speaker 2: I voted for you early, yes, And she looked beautiful. She was there tonight.
00:26:28
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't even see her. I think I'm in the audience.
00:26:31
Speaker 2: Beautiful, And I think that she would be really good. And I loved her heart and she buried her soul and I don't think she would have given up if she had made it to the final two. I don't think she would have You're not giving me what I need, and I think she would have been there till the end for him.
00:26:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wait, what a crazy ending.
00:26:52
Speaker 2: It was an ending. I don't know how I feel that. I usually have a data process and I could kind of get my brain to like how I feel about it. I'm just like, I'm just like spitting it all out right now, as as you are, like, did I like that ending? Director? Did I not like that ending?
00:27:09
Speaker 1: What do you think? I think?
00:27:12
Speaker 3: I almost well, I've never been to and after the final rows that was like pre taped, so the world doesn't know right now, which is so interesting because we get to have these thoughts without Sometimes I think one way and then I'll look online and I'm like, oh maybe I was wrong.
00:27:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'll hear other people's.
00:27:26
Speaker 3: I've never walked away and just didn't feel warm and fuzzy. AFR is such a good feeling.
00:27:32
Speaker 2: I don't. I feel like Sidney ripped of of that their ending, Like it was like an abrupt ending that I wasn't ready for. I feel like they didn't say they loved each other when they were standing there on the beach. They got a weirdering thing happening that it was a proposal. Maybe it was it they come out and sit next to each other finally say I love you.
00:27:57
Speaker 1: But the love you wasn't like I'm so in love shine with you.
00:28:02
Speaker 2: And the more I we've done our happy couple of visits and I've fallen so deeply in love with you, it's like he's like, yeah, I do love this woman now, and she's like, yeah, you love this guy.
00:28:11
Speaker 4: You know, You're so right.
00:28:12
Speaker 3: And then they're like, we don't do feels, and everyone's like religion feels.
00:28:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, like love is in the air, no truly, and you know what, maybe that's just how they are and and they're the type of people that are going to share that all in private, which I totally love.
00:28:29
Speaker 1: But it's just like, it's not what you do. We've bared worse than are so we've liked, oh.
00:28:34
Speaker 3: My gosh so much because it's just you know, in the name of love, and it's it's.
00:28:38
Speaker 1: Part of the show. And the audience fallows along.
00:28:41
Speaker 2: I know, and you know what, Bache Nation gets invested in you because you are being real and you're like and they can relate to your feelings all loved and lost or we've all you know, had bad relationships and so like talking about those and people relating to you. They gave us something to relate to.
00:28:58
Speaker 3: And it's so true, I know, and we're so happy for that, we really are.
00:29:03
Speaker 1: But it's is just like our raw feelings, which I know you got to people with. But yeah, we are comfortable. Yeah, we love them, We do love that. We are so happy for them. But I love that Fuzzy is not there.
00:29:17
Speaker 2: We're missing that. There was a little part of me, actually, there was a big part of me that hoped this that he would propose right there.
00:29:26
Speaker 1: Has that happened before?
00:29:28
Speaker 3: Yes?
00:29:28
Speaker 1: Who was it? Was it?
00:29:30
Speaker 2: Somebody did? Jason and Mollie, I can't remember, somebody and Monne.
00:29:37
Speaker 6: But then you're so happy, you're like the You're like okay, wait, okay, okay, We're like okay wait.
00:29:42
Speaker 3: Maybe he's just like he didn't know and now it's it's they're so married.
00:29:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they like they finally said there love. And I thought he was going to like get down on one knee and pull out a ring. Another neeling Neeeling was sitting next to him, and there we should ask him we could ask him.
00:29:57
Speaker 1: I bet you know. When we're like, was that a proposal? Is that a ring, he'd be like.
00:30:01
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I was hoping that he would do it. I had this big thought in my mind, and then when they started doing the bloopers, I'm like, well, it's not happening.
00:30:10
Speaker 3: As soon as the bloopers ran, we saw a clip of Taylor yeah, and that was it. Yeah, and then it was over and it just then we went home and here we are.
00:30:20
Speaker 2: You know who made me feel the most woman buzzy was Taylor m I liked her. Yeah, she like I have all these and I've watched super Lives of Mormon Wives. I think it's a great.
00:30:31
Speaker 1: I know I can't wait for the next season.
00:30:34
Speaker 2: And I hear the next season is juicy. Yes. I talked to some of the girls at you you were there with the.
00:30:42
Speaker 4: O.
00:30:43
Speaker 2: They would give me a little, a little scoop. I feel like Taylor franky Paul is emotional and like she's raw, and I think she's like that on Super Lines and Mormon Wives. She's like she's always super honest. I think I out of all the things tonight she was she was the most emotional other than.
00:31:02
Speaker 3: No, just seeing that small clip, you are so right, She's already saying, I can see my husband.
00:31:07
Speaker 1: I feel like I can fall in love.
00:31:09
Speaker 3: I've already been through so much as is way harder like and you could see it, like watching her sit down there, I'm like, oh my god, I felt like I was there again, Like.
00:31:16
Speaker 1: I was it. I've been.
00:31:20
Speaker 7: Relating to it and I sat on that couch too, of you and I still couldn't connect, I know, and I've been kind of the city person, like I left you know, Gary season early and like we had, you know, we had started to form some bond and I don't know, I was disappointed to be left.
00:31:39
Speaker 2: I was disappointed in their lack of emotions. I don't feel like this finale wold me at all and usually finelles deal.
00:31:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:31:48
Speaker 3: The most interesting part was probably that Gary and Teresa were in the same audience.
00:31:53
Speaker 1: And that was probably the juicy far was that nuts that? I mean, my guys really were all the yes, so many exes in the audience. I'm like when they do that, like did they know? I know, because they know that the other person is going to be there.
00:32:08
Speaker 3: Very interesting audience if you guys can pick them out.
00:32:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the studio. Yeah, it's like I think the most Bachelor Nations filled.
00:32:18
Speaker 1: I'd every love it.
00:32:19
Speaker 2: I love it. A union, Yeah, it was like two whole sections of terination, so much fun. It was really good. Yeah. I am excited to see if the Golden Series continues me to feel like every single every single year is on the chopping block.
00:32:37
Speaker 1: I'm worried this.
00:32:37
Speaker 3: And especially Bachelorette, because Bachelorette is always on the chopping block.
00:32:41
Speaker 1: We know that that's the first one to go.
00:32:43
Speaker 2: Everybody knows Bachelorette doesn't get as good ratings Bachelor.
00:32:46
Speaker 1: Because the women make us season.
00:32:48
Speaker 2: We do. The men of my season make the season the.
00:32:53
Speaker 3: Amazing there, but the women, it's just it's so they're so fun to watch. So yeah, it'll be interesting. I wouldn't mind you being old so special like she truly is like the only goal that I would be like, Okay, we just ever never don't.
00:33:10
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that there are lots of ones that are deserving. I'm voting for Debbie right now. Okay, Team Debbie. We love it, and I don't want Sidney to hate me and think that I wasn't voting for her.
00:33:23
Speaker 1: No, of course, so happy.
00:33:25
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't like Sydney's our help.
00:33:27
Speaker 3: By the way, you're a beautiful, stunning eye. Her dress was amazing, like the silver giving Goerella.
00:33:35
Speaker 2: Which dress did you like the best?
00:33:37
Speaker 3: She loved both, and I love that they both went sparkles, yeah, big time. It was giving revenge dress for Sydney and Pegs was just so fun and she was dancing before she came out.
00:33:47
Speaker 1: It was sparkling. It was definitely her personality.
00:33:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was her versatility right, and was her personality yes, yeah, she's a little more subdued. Even the sparkle. It was like a silver gray.
00:33:55
Speaker 1: It was beautiful and they everyone liked beautiful.
00:33:59
Speaker 3: Maybe we will get a wedding and then we'll see some more emotions.
00:34:02
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll do a big punch when.
00:34:04
Speaker 6: They'll do their own bells'd be terrible, can you imagine?
00:34:18
Speaker 3: Okay, So I feel like the juiciest part of this whole episode was the fact that Teresa and Gary were in the audience together.
00:34:27
Speaker 2: What the heck?
00:34:28
Speaker 3: I saw Teresa and I thought Gary wasn't here, and then all of a sudden, I turned around and I see Gary and his fiance.
00:34:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, walking in and they okay, so they were sitting in sections right next to each other, so you could, I would say, right next to Gary.
00:34:42
Speaker 3: I didn't even know the audience half the time because she was sitting in the same row. I couldn't see across. They were like next to each other basically, but just like like a bleacher apart.
00:34:55
Speaker 2: Or literally they could and hit each other.
00:34:57
Speaker 1: No, genuinely, I know they were so close.
00:34:59
Speaker 3: I didn't couldn't even see them, and where the prompter was right in the middle.
00:35:03
Speaker 2: Well, so I kept looking over to see if there was going to ever be any eye contact, and I think only one time did Gary look over there. What was really like at commercial breaks, we all get up and walk around and like say, running around. Gary never moved from his She did it because I don't think he wanted to have an encounter encounter with her. I think that it was no care now and she really didn't move from her seat. She stayed kind of over with the golden batcher over. I mean we're friends, yeah, never, yeah, never, those two world's going to meet.
00:35:36
Speaker 3: That is absolutely crazy what I've been seeing in the press.
00:35:40
Speaker 2: And I bet there's should be a lot of cameras on both of them throughout this whole taping, because I really feel like their story is probably the biggest answer.
00:35:51
Speaker 3: And it's crazy because like we talked about the warm fuzzies, and I remember at their wedding, I was crying, he was. That was so emotional and see, yeah we were there the wedding to where we are now, It's like, it's so hard that this happens to couples, but especially them, because I feel like they've both been through so much and now to be going back and forth in the press, it's so stressed.
00:36:13
Speaker 1: And they're each other down.
00:36:15
Speaker 2: They're making each other look, both look bad, and they're both really like pretty good people I know.
00:36:19
Speaker 1: And they're making you feel bad.
00:36:21
Speaker 2: They're just showing each other. It just keeps going back and forth back every day. Disappointing.
00:36:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I think one thing was said and then like I hear something about chopping bodies and hiding bodies.
00:36:34
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's happening. I saw Teresa.
00:36:35
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I think it was all taken out of conto.
00:36:39
Speaker 1: No, of course we know that he's not.
00:36:45
Speaker 2: Really bad.
00:36:48
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, and.
00:36:48
Speaker 2: It was okay, so but I mean, she used it against him. I feel like maybe I don't know. I wasn't there, but I don't I know him. I don't He's not like this guy would kill somebody and think it was just really stooge.
00:37:01
Speaker 3: I know, And especially now when like these words are holding a lot of weight because there are so many eyeballs on it, you know what it is doing.
00:37:09
Speaker 1: It's kind of like knowing those book he's making some money. Oh my gosh, it's so pep. We're going to buy that book. All press is good press.
00:37:16
Speaker 3: I have learned that I'm still had.
00:37:20
Speaker 2: A right bad press. I think he's gonna excel some books. So I mean, I think, I I think, I'm I think everybody left a hole today because they avoided each other. And I'm not sure why Bachelor invited both both of them.
00:37:36
Speaker 1: I know you think they knew.
00:37:38
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because I know Leslie and Triesa didn't get invited until like just a couple of days ago when things were really hidden.
00:37:45
Speaker 1: And no ways, this is so messy.
00:37:50
Speaker 3: I feel like Bachelor producers, you know, they always say, like Chris Jenner works harder than the devil.
00:37:55
Speaker 1: I think the Bachelor producers might work harder than Chris Jenner. They really, because that's crazy.
00:38:01
Speaker 3: I thought it was just like a planned thing, like everyone was because it's golden.
00:38:04
Speaker 2: And there was no other person from our season other than Sondra that was there. And Sondra was there because her sister was on Mel season. They were the only two people there, right, not a single other person from Gary season, Me, Leslie, Leslie, Teresa and Sora because Sonder's sister was.
00:38:22
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is messy.
00:38:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why. I mean, if anybody, if anybody looks at this audience, they're going to figure that.
00:38:28
Speaker 3: Oh, I feel like that's going to be everything obvious everyone's talking about.
00:38:32
Speaker 2: It's really obvious. Okay, So I feel like we we kind of skipped over that really uncomfortable conversation of Mel and Cindy's sitting on the sofa and hers her saying like what happened and he him saying like I needed time with you in the fantasy like we missed the time, and she said, well, you weren't giving me enough to make me want to go to the fantasy feet with you. When I feel like you could say like we need to talk. We don't need to have that physical part of it. And it's just you guys going into a room without cameras. Why is that such a big deal? And then she would say, well, you didn't give me enough, and he said, well, I couldn't give you enough because I needed to tell you stuff. I need to talk to you in fantasy, you talk to you without cameras. And she said, well, I wasn't going to go in there without more of a better promise from you or a better more emotions from you. And it just went back and forth and back and forth and back and forth to the point where Jesse finally jumped in. He had to like referee it.
00:39:28
Speaker 1: He was pulling Hi just crazy at a real sitting.
00:39:34
Speaker 2: We were like, this is never going to end. Somebody needs to stop it. So he did.
00:39:38
Speaker 3: I got like two bulls, like budding heads, like both of them. No one was like actually saying how they feel.
00:39:45
Speaker 2: And then Jesse said, and it wasn't during this conversation.
00:39:48
Speaker 1: It was before Mel came out.
00:39:51
Speaker 2: When she was sitting there alone, she said, did you want Mel to come after you? Because Jesse had come and spoken about hard you know, do you use the opportunity to go after it? She hasn't left it, and he said no, and then he asked her, do you wish that he had come? And she said no, And I'm not positive I believe that.
00:40:14
Speaker 3: I also just I don't like it when it's like, if you cared about someone a little bit after that breakup, I would want to have a talk with them, even if it was off camera, and be like, listen, can we have five minutes off camera like before this like is actually over. And the fact that both of them just so easily let it go, it was really disappointing.
00:40:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's disappointing to.
00:40:34
Speaker 3: Hear her say because clearly you felt those feelings and you did want him to come after you, because don't we all we want the man and the profession of love, and it's like it's saddy, hell no. Yeah, And it's hard I think sometimes when months go by and then you're.
00:40:50
Speaker 1: Like, oh, never mind, I never really liked them, and it feels.
00:40:52
Speaker 2: Like that's what we're I know. Yeah, And I felt like like he should have gone after her if he cared enough, so maybe.
00:41:00
Speaker 1: She didn't even.
00:41:02
Speaker 3: Conversation, and it, really, I think is just both of them being stubborn. And I hate to say, yeah, I do wish that she would have just went to the Fantasy Suite to talk, because it's not like he was giving peg promises and she said, well, you can't give them. If that was happening, I would agree with her one hundred percent.
00:41:21
Speaker 2: Could have totally self eliminated. She could have subliminated after that, Yes.
00:41:26
Speaker 1: And even in the morning. In the morning, if I still feel this way, I'm going to leave.
00:41:30
Speaker 3: But I want you to know going in, I need to have these important conversations with you.
00:41:34
Speaker 2: I'm to make my decision. She could have said that up front, I'm not going to go. This isn't going to be a physical thing. But that's what was keeping her back, because the thing that was keeping her back was the physical part of it, because she wanted to have those conversations. So why did she just say that's off the table for us. I do want to spend time with you, but I don't want to. I don't think I'm at that place yet with you. I don't have enough for you to want to do that. Yeah, why why couldn't have that been like no conversation.
00:41:58
Speaker 3: I agree, and like I think the Fantasy Suite they always do visually make it seem like so yeah sexy and everybody in the morning, yeah, with the robes, and I mean sometimes it could be a very tiny part, but the main part is like they don't understand we're in that room for like so many hours, no camera, no phone, no it's eavy like you were talking the entire time.
00:42:22
Speaker 1: It really does make a difference. And I wish she would have given him that time.
00:42:27
Speaker 2: It helped me make my decision to tell you that. I mean it really I came out knowing.
00:42:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's so important, and I think sometimes the physical thing can block And I mean, I love the way you did it, and I feel like so many people have done it in the past where like they said, that's off the table, so valid, make that like known upfront. I love that, but I mean it is so important just to be like, what are you actually feeling? There's no cameras, how do we move forward?
00:42:53
Speaker 1: And she didn't, and we wish she would have, Like so easily I.
00:42:57
Speaker 3: Would have been like, Okay, here's your ultimatum, and the morning, I'm gonna leave what I need on the camera and I want to give you that because I care about you.
00:43:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:43:07
Speaker 2: Well, and he also did say something like he used the term two years and so hard of that conversation, and she said like, yeah, I'm not willing to wait two.
00:43:16
Speaker 1: Years, which I do feel that's a long time.
00:43:19
Speaker 3: I get that, And I mean there was something similar that happened on my season where I had someone who didn't want to get engaged and it was so important to me at the time that they made that commitment to me. So I do in a way understand where she's coming from that this is you know, the Bachelor. There's a ring, it is involved, and I completely.
00:43:39
Speaker 2: Agree with her the two years it was a long that is.
00:43:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a long time.
00:43:43
Speaker 2: I remember Joey and Lex had that same conversation and she went to him and spoke to him like, you know, said, I have this physical thing that happens. You know that she is going to have a hard time having babies and she needed the timeline to be quicker, and he said, I'm not going to get there, and she was. She self eliminated. But I don't think Cindy ever, like had that conversation she just before it happened.
00:44:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we saw a lot of it off camera, like in the live audience and after she had months and months and months to like cross about it.
00:44:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I have to address my lack of voice.
00:44:16
Speaker 1: So was party.
00:44:18
Speaker 4: I was.
00:44:18
Speaker 2: I was out a little less. We went out to dinner. We actually went with Bachelor People, which was really fun. I ended up with with Pascal was in town and for my season, yes, yep, and he was there and Monica Bee was there and we saw them sitting together in the audience.
00:44:39
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, wait any more. I can't give you any tea.
00:44:44
Speaker 2: That's up to them. And then Theresa Leslie.
00:44:48
Speaker 1: I love that.
00:44:48
Speaker 2: Quite a fun group.
00:44:50
Speaker 1: I love that party. I was at eight pm as soon as the sun went down, tucked in. I have to I love that you guys went out, but we need to get her at tea.
00:45:03
Speaker 2: I know. So I'm sorry.
00:45:04
Speaker 1: I couldn't like talk very good. But no, you sound so much better than you did in the car. When we were in the car, I was like, Joe, this is gonna be an a s m R episode. Just whispered to me. I'll say, what you think you just talk? No, you did so. I feel like your voice bounced back. It's giving raspy.
00:45:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, I want to feel respy, I feel tired.
00:45:27
Speaker 1: I know this was it was a long night.
00:45:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, thanks Ben and Ashley for letting us take over, especially for this really monumental fin helly, thank you for letting us do it. And we're honored that you'd want to hear our opinion. I know we didn't. We're not professionals like you guys, but we have been set in the seats, he said, and I feel like we had a really good view of what was No.
00:45:51
Speaker 4: I love it.
00:45:52
Speaker 1: Should we do what it's? Ben's outro always it's like I've been met.
00:45:57
Speaker 2: I've been Rachel. Okay, you you have Ashley. Okay, so I've been Joe.
00:46:05
Speaker 1: And I've been Rachel and what are they? I forget I say that, And I've been Joed, I've been Rachel. We did it.
00:46:20
Speaker 2: H
Speaker 1: This is the almost Famous podcast with iHeartRadio.
00:00:05
Speaker 2: It's vacination Joan Bassos and Rachel Rikia jumping in to take over for the almost Famous podcast. We just got back from the Golden Bauchler finalion after the Final Rose taping, and we're going to talk all about it. So consider this your spoiler alert if you haven't watched the finale yet, because we are about to cover it all. Okay, Rachel, we have so much to talk about it.
00:00:28
Speaker 3: So me and Joan drove together on the way here and I was like, Okay, let's just like make sure we're on the same page. Joan has so many good points, and I was so excited for everyone to hear her point of view because I think you have such a unique perspective being the only Golden Bachelorette, and in my opinion, maybe.
00:00:47
Speaker 2: Ever well, well we don't know about that. We don't know, but no, but I feel like we have a lot of the same opinions. You've been through this journey also, and I don't think it's all that different coming from the different age. So what I really want to talk about, like how this story out as a cliffhanger, so we have all now waited a week to find out what's going to happen with Cindy and Cindy. I feel like, Okay, first of all, let's let's guess, did you who did you think was going to win?
00:01:16
Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 3: I feel like the way they made it seem we would think that it's Cindy because she is, like you said so many times on the way here, she's so emotionally available, and I think we get Sidney's inner monologue of how she's truly feeling, and I think it could have been pegged all along, but maybe we just didn't know because she hasn't been so upfront with her emotions.
00:01:39
Speaker 2: But then neither has he, So maybe like like, could that ever work? If neither one have seen how they feel? Could that early ever work? So I feel like you that Cindy was going to be the winner, because you can't have two emotionally unavailable people actually coming together. It just seems like so unlikely that it wouldn't work. But I did feel like he was starting to give her what she needed. I think the cliffhanger ended with her saying this begs the question.
00:02:09
Speaker 1: Are you ready or are you will?
00:02:13
Speaker 2: Do you have the will? Then he said, if there's a will, a way she guts. The question is do you have the will? And he said yes. So I thought, okay, okay, we're ahead in the right direction. Now I'm feeling good about it. But as the conversation continued, it started going negatively and I'm not really sure where it went off so badly because I didn't feel like Mel was being any different than he had ever been, and maybe he was getting a slight bit more. Finally he was saying, yeah, there is a will. If we want to do it, we can make it happen. I'm not completely there. I'm not in love, but he said, you know, I think I felt like he was encouraging, and then all of a sudden it flipped, and I'm like, what the heck?
00:02:51
Speaker 3: I think it's so interesting because I think it is such a Bachelor Nation thing to give an ultimatum before a fantasy toe and so many different and even going into mine on The Bachelor when I was a contestant, I remember telling him I'm falling in love with you. If you don't even feel like you're near that, how are we gonna get through this? So I want to be like, you know that overnight time. It does tell you a lot. So much happens, so I get it, but like getting that little bit that you need to go into that. I understand her, but I think, like you said earlier, like he is just not giving enough or I feel like she's done.
00:03:31
Speaker 2: Sing too much from him and it all came down to this moment and he hasn't given that to her the entire season. I think she was expecting too much and I think they could have gone and done fantasy.
00:03:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your opinion on that?
00:03:44
Speaker 3: Do you think she should have definitely gone even just really I mean the conversation is the biggest part. It really you find out so much much and I think we can't even express that to the audience, Like that is where you.
00:03:56
Speaker 1: Kind of start to make a decision so much.
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Speaker 2: I figured out mine at my fantasy suites and I said, I'm not having a physical relationship in the fantasy suites. I think that it's hard on the relationship that comes out of phantasy suits, I mean out of you know, no iconic to this day, I just felt like that would give me a better outcome, and I feel like she missed that opportunity and that may have gotten mel to where he is now with Peggy and she or with Peg, and she never gave him the chance. And I feel like I got to wonder if she's ever going to look back on this and say, maybe I spread that up that you know, that one last day, that one really meaningful, those meaningful conversations could have gotten him to where he was with Peg, and she could be she could have been sitting on that stage at the end of tonight.
00:04:48
Speaker 3: I know. And I just feel like we heard mel say so many times tonight. He has such a sports mindset.
00:04:55
Speaker 2: Every over till it's over, quit the game Twitter, Yeah, And I think.
00:05:00
Speaker 3: In his mind she was quitting. She was a quitter, and he wanted someone that was going to play until the game was over. And then as soon as Sidney, I feel like maybe she wanted him go after her a little bit as much as she says I don't.
00:05:13
Speaker 1: I think she was shocked he did it.
00:05:15
Speaker 2: I was surprised he didn't. I was surprised too, sat there and was like, Okay, I'm done, but you know, I really want to be the girl too.
00:05:22
Speaker 3: Like no, we love Sydney, Like I related to Sidney more than Peg for sure.
00:05:27
Speaker 2: Oh I agree I did, and I love that she took the power back and didn't give it to him. I'm not positive she did the right thing.
00:05:35
Speaker 3: I would agree, I wish you would have just I wanted more conversation.
00:05:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really want to be like, you go, girl, you did it. You had the power, you as much power as he does. But god, I'm not sure if she did the right thing. And I'm really disappointed to myself because I want to be all about that bold move. I know I'm trying.
00:05:52
Speaker 1: To be all about the bold no, and I love the bold move.
00:05:54
Speaker 3: But I think with Bachelor, the moments that moved me the most are the moments were like, you're feeling so sorry because this person put everything out there and the Bachelor Bachelor rejected them and they can't do anything about it, and it just makes you feel for them. And I wish we had that moment with Sydney where if she wasn't chosen, that we could feel that and we'd.
00:06:14
Speaker 2: Be like cheerly cheering for her to be the next Golden Bachelerette. Yes, because she loved and lost and she really yeah, you're right, she stayed the whole course, and now we're like, oh and There's another part of that that bothers me a little bit that I feel like it cheated a Peg out of being picked.
00:06:34
Speaker 1: I Peg love that you said that in the car choice there was no choice.
00:06:42
Speaker 2: She was only the only person left I would have loved. And now I know like that would have been really heartbreaking for Cindy, right if she had stayed the course on Fantasy Suites and then he picked Peg instead of her. But I feel like as far as their relationship, I feel like it would have been really good for Peg. I would have made their relationship stronger.
00:07:02
Speaker 1: What did you.
00:07:03
Speaker 3: Think when they went into the conversation The next morning he came to her room.
00:07:07
Speaker 1: I was sitting there and I'm like, can you spit it out? It was is on like she thought she was getting broken.
00:07:14
Speaker 2: Up with and she and she was being like really like she was like, okay, okay, all right, well okay, I understand I understand. No matter what, this will never change the way I feel about you. Like what he know by that? Yeah, why wouldn't have changed the way he felt about her?
00:07:30
Speaker 1: Right?
00:07:31
Speaker 2: Was he saying I felt more strongly about you anyway, so her leaving makes no difference. He never says, right, he just just he was saying, it doesn't make me change the way I feel about you, and I'm like, I don't understand that, and she kept saying, okay, okay, okay. That was a really uncomfortable conversation.
00:07:50
Speaker 3: And I think it's uncomfortable because we're watching two very unemotional people who are not opening up, and you're watching them just kind of like kind of have a conversation about their feeling like she's the last one, she's a winner.
00:08:04
Speaker 2: They dance around so much and never say how they really feel. How are you guys going to get there?
00:08:11
Speaker 3: I mean, it might be perfect for each other because they just don't have a feeling, which I mean, at some point, I do understand not putting feelings first, putting logic first, but in this environment, you have to be a little bit vulnerable.
00:08:25
Speaker 1: And they didn't even give us a.
00:08:26
Speaker 2: Little somebody wanted to. At least we've gotten zero.
00:08:29
Speaker 1: We got it most from Sydney's who. We got it from this whole episode. We got the most emotion out of Sydney.
00:08:33
Speaker 2: But what I did like, and I felt like I learned a lot about Mail and it was not from mal. It was from the Suns and when I think Peg did that really good? You know, pick one or the other. They told us a lot about him and just that really conversation like that we haven't seen. I haven't seen a great sense of humor. I haven't seen, you know, the things that the adjectives that they chose, I think they hadn't actually seen. And I thought that was the most revealing thing that we got out of this maybe this whole show about melnd Yeah.
00:09:04
Speaker 1: And his friend.
00:09:05
Speaker 3: I remember she said that he's the life of the party and he brings the energy, and I'm like, are we talking about this mel Ewis. It was so interesting because those are the people that know him the most, and I wish he would have let us see that side, but he just chose to not.
00:09:23
Speaker 2: A bit. I wonder if maybe it's the way this season was produced or edited, because I know these women are all like pretty incredible, they're beautiful women, they're smart, they're accomplished, and they have all kind of fallen for him, and I don't feel like they would have fallen for this empty person that we are seeing, this person that hasn't given anything. So I very much wonder if it's being produced in a way that we are just being left out of these conversations. We don't see him.
00:09:49
Speaker 3: I mean you would like to think so, right, I mean he is a good looking man, like we can wrie and I think sometimes they can put a good looking bachelor in front of us.
00:09:57
Speaker 1: He could say nothing will all fall for him. It happened before.
00:10:02
Speaker 3: But I mean their emotion that they haven't as you would think, there is something exactly right, like behind.
00:10:07
Speaker 2: The scenes, was so emotionally invested, like on day one in st Cheryl and Debbie and I mean there's so many of them that were emotionally invested really really early on, which just so just like jive with my the way I'm thinking of these women, these being strong and accomplished and like have lived a lot of life. They're not just falling for some smock genuinely like an empty guy that isn't going to provide anything anything to life, because these all these women have pretty rich lives already, families, they've worked a lot, They've gone through a lot of years to make the life that they have and their good lives. They do not need an empty guy to just be feeling in the bed next to them.
00:10:47
Speaker 3: Truly, and I think we could maybe see that more with like our side of the bacher, where it's like, I've never been married, I don't really know what this is supposed to feel, whereas like on the flip side, all of those women have been in love most of them and have experienced the life of their life.
00:11:00
Speaker 1: So if this isn't even kind of close, why would you push that? Would you do such a good point? This is things like I don't even think about.
00:11:06
Speaker 2: I'm just like, what isn't the edit it has I feel like, maybe, okay, so let's get to let's get to the proposal.
00:11:16
Speaker 1: I quote I put it in quoted.
00:11:18
Speaker 2: These are air quotes I'm doing right now. If you can't see me, that was so sorry.
00:11:23
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:11:23
Speaker 3: So we see this beautiful scene and malth he's on an island in the middle.
00:11:29
Speaker 2: Of a beautiful but there was like another They took him to the deserted island to look like or at least a deserted beach. He's standing there, yes, like beautiful blue suit. She comes in that awesome dress. The best seeing her look in like carry yeah, carc that man we're giving you, and.
00:11:50
Speaker 3: She winds blowing the speeches are happening. Yeah, what's gonna happen?
00:11:57
Speaker 1: She's not.
00:11:58
Speaker 2: She didn't, did she I love you? In that speech?
00:12:00
Speaker 1: No she did.
00:12:00
Speaker 2: I didn't think so.
00:12:01
Speaker 3: And you know what I was also thinking now that we're talking about it. You know, when we're talking about like finalely the day, like you always see the people getting ready, they're on their balcony, they're dry, they're talking about how in love they are, their emotions.
00:12:14
Speaker 1: I don't even think we got some bee roll of Pat talking about her emotion. I don't think so at all.
00:12:21
Speaker 2: They're holding up the dress that they think they're gonna get.
00:12:23
Speaker 1: That this is the most looking at their.
00:12:28
Speaker 2: Jewelry they're trying to do it.
00:12:29
Speaker 1: Just caught it.
00:12:31
Speaker 2: They were on an island, boats island, motor boats island with windblow.
00:12:36
Speaker 3: And and all of a sudden the neolane pops out, and you have such a good point about the meal lane.
00:12:43
Speaker 2: Of what the ring look is being a hard time to see. So he does his speech after she does her speech. Her speech was kind of a lot about like how much fun they had together. Once again, didn't talk a lot of emotions. He just didn't really either talked about you know, like him coming along in this process and getting to where they are. I'm positive I love you to her? God, how do I not remember this? Because they did it, they didn't say it right, No, so neither one of them said I love you.
00:13:11
Speaker 1: You know if I'm wrong, we could.
00:13:13
Speaker 2: I don't think we're wrong because we would remember.
00:13:15
Speaker 1: They revealed the feeling. I think we're getting confused.
00:13:20
Speaker 2: So here we are standing on the like engagement the pedestal. There he pulls out a ring, not opens on one, but think it's a neelain. We all know what that means. Right, it's an engagement ring, except for he doesn't say, will you marry me? He does this roundabout speech about exploring the future with you. Sounds engagement right. I couldn't see the ring very good. He puts it on her finger. It doesn't look like a single diamond, so it looks maybe not like an engagement ring. He doesn't say will you marry me? They are like missing limits to this proposal. But I still walk away thinking maybe there are maybe he did it, maybe they're engaged. And then they were engaged and the car he said to me, are they engaged? And I'm like, no, I don't.
00:14:12
Speaker 1: They are I think they didn't get engaged.
00:14:14
Speaker 2: They didn't get engaged. I'm positive of it. Now.
00:14:16
Speaker 1: Why was there a ring because we had promister ring?
00:14:20
Speaker 3: Well, I remember on Matt James' season with Rachel he said, I, I'm not going to propose. We always feel like we know they are not proposing. The ring went on the finger, the champagne was popped.
00:14:31
Speaker 2: It sure was. They were like who and then we did it all of a sudden, live audience, the happy couple comes out there. They are looking for you, looking.
00:14:41
Speaker 1: Done, address, great energy.
00:14:43
Speaker 2: Pat I wore a short version of shout out.
00:14:48
Speaker 3: To you ran your own and Jesse goes, do you have plans on getting engaged.
00:14:53
Speaker 1: Like everyone in the audience not just watch? It makes sense. But he didn't get on one knee?
00:15:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I found you because be able to get.
00:15:02
Speaker 1: Up all of it. It's not very stable. Yeah, you know, it makes sense.
00:15:14
Speaker 2: It all makes sense.
00:15:22
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00:15:40
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're not engaged, but they are together and they finally said the words we've been waiting to hear. But before they said it, they said, we know that neither one of us are emotional people, so it's we're working on that.
00:15:54
Speaker 1: And then he said.
00:15:55
Speaker 2: I love this woman and she said I love him, and that was finally. It was literally in the last moments of the show, maybe the last thirty cents.
00:16:04
Speaker 1: Which is absolutely crazy.
00:16:06
Speaker 3: I think we have never in history seen a final couple sit on that stage and say we're not big on feels, the use, we're not big on fields, and we're like, I'm like, am I supposed to feel a motion towards you as a.
00:16:21
Speaker 1: Couple and root for you?
00:16:22
Speaker 3: Now when you're up there saying you don't, you barely have emotions.
00:16:26
Speaker 2: It's a very odd thing to happen in a bachelor season. Okay, they both knew they came on this show. The show is really about feelings. It's funny that it's only think it's a out.
00:16:38
Speaker 3: No, genuinely, that's fine, comes and it is so much fun, but it's coming down to who can you spend the rest of your life with?
00:16:44
Speaker 2: Like, feelings are going to be important here, and both of them say that they're not good about expressing feelings, which is hilarious that they ended up together at the end of the Soldier.
00:16:53
Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about this.
00:16:55
Speaker 3: It does make sense we see them maybe, you know what, Like, I don't know if Sidney could have really stayed knowing that, like there wasn't a proposal, that the love you came so far down the line.
00:17:06
Speaker 1: It really had to have.
00:17:08
Speaker 3: Been pegged because she's fine with going at his pace, and like that she admitted that she wasn't in love with him when he wasn't in love with her yet.
00:17:18
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the thing that made him comfortable, Like the pressure was off and he was not ready to commit. And if Cidy had just given him a little grace and just said, like, I'll go at your pace, I'm good with that, she could have been the last one standing. Yeah, I'm still I'm still.
00:17:34
Speaker 1: A little I know.
00:17:35
Speaker 2: I love that they are together. I love that they're in love now. They looked extremely happy. I still think that there was a path that Cidy could have gotten there too. And I feel like we bachelination mitched, miss jumped.
00:17:48
Speaker 1: I agree, and it's just empty.
00:17:50
Speaker 3: I've been in so many fars I don't think I've ever walked away feeling so disconnected from the franchise. In a way, I'm like God, because it's like the franchise and it has nothing to do with them.
00:18:01
Speaker 1: It's just the amount of like.
00:18:06
Speaker 3: No emotion, lack of emotions, especially on the last day, so I only had one person going into my last day.
00:18:15
Speaker 2: I was so emotional and like, I don't think it's bad to not have two people coming to you know, the engagement, you know, mound or circle or whatever it is artificial. I think it's very uncomfortable and we feel very sorry for that person. So I'm not It doesn't bother me when when the person chooses to not have them come there and goes and says, you're not that person for me, But she's self eliminated, and so I feel like we missed that conversation. Like I like it when they don't have two people coming to the proposal.
00:18:50
Speaker 3: And you're excited and oh my gosh, they're in love and it's just her and she does.
00:18:55
Speaker 1: And she's going to be so excited.
00:18:57
Speaker 2: It was just her. We lost all of that, and I get that nothing.
00:19:02
Speaker 3: They try to like keep us on the hook with like even when he was going to have her meet and his family, he was like, well, you know, maybe there's still it might not be her.
00:19:10
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, then who's it going to be? No One like like it like.
00:19:17
Speaker 3: It was a hard watch and I feel like we want to root for them, like we do root for them, but sitting here, I'm just like the whole world is definitely half of them are going to think they're engaged half or not. We know that he loves food, what else do we know? Like the season's over, what do I actually know about him?
00:19:33
Speaker 1: And what do I know about the pet?
00:19:35
Speaker 2: They have a really busy they did talk about like their very busy schedule and going forward, I think she's going to wear them out. Do you think they're going to last?
00:19:45
Speaker 1: You know what.
00:19:47
Speaker 3: I do, just because I feel like she's along for the ride, he's along for the ride.
00:19:53
Speaker 1: Feelings will come, if they come.
00:19:55
Speaker 3: I think at this point, the way they're talking about it is we just want to enjoy each other's company and if it happens, it happens, And sometimes I think.
00:20:02
Speaker 1: It does work out for those couples.
00:20:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like they have a lot of fun. Plant Like they talked about the next like like two months, and there's so much to do it on now, they're gonna get it and fit it all in. I think eventually he's going to get tired.
00:20:15
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what do you think.
00:20:17
Speaker 3: I feel like you, out of everyone, would have the best gauge, Like looking back, you guys are still going strong.
00:20:23
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's hard coming out. And you know this too, you know, being on the show, you're in the in the bubble. Then you do happy couples, which it's less of a bubble. You're not you don't have cameras around you, but you're living out in the real world. Today is the day the test starts.
00:20:41
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, because they have to be.
00:20:44
Speaker 2: They exists in the world where there's a lot of criticism and a lot of opinions, and they're gonna have a lot of people coming at them. And I think the next three months are very telling. Yeah, I think that's when, or maybe the next six months.
00:20:57
Speaker 1: What's your advice to him if he listening. Yeah, because they didn't ask Joan, which I was also pissed about.
00:21:04
Speaker 3: They asked Gary and Jack and I was like, Joan is sitting right there in the middle, and I think she has advice.
00:21:09
Speaker 2: Too, I asked Jock, I said, do you want to take that question? Okay, I'm like comic so well, but I can't ask.
00:21:17
Speaker 1: I was like, Jesse, I.
00:21:19
Speaker 2: Do I know I do have advice because I feel like like you finally are out with your friends and your family and the world, and you're out in public. And I think some people get they like the fame, and I think you need to like your relationship way more than you like the fame because it's over. I think it destroys people. I think you become as important as people are saying, like you're starting to believe your own press. You know, it was never believe your own press good or bad. Like people are like loving you as a couple, and like you need all that outside reinforcement. It feels good. And when you stop getting that, then it's really on YouTube to be the reinforcement for each other. Yeah, and you just start that process early. You can't wait for it to stop from the public, like it's your responsibility to make sure the relationship is good.
00:22:16
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see though, him moving forward, because it feels like he didn't like do much press.
00:22:22
Speaker 1: How involved is he with the public.
00:22:24
Speaker 3: I feel like for you and for Gary, it was so you know, pushed to the whole world was so excited and everyone was getting ready and his I didn't even know it was starting.
00:22:33
Speaker 1: It felt kind of just like very private.
00:22:35
Speaker 2: It was crazy, wasn't it. Yes, Well, I think that he made that wonder a bad statement. I needed to get out there and apologize to the women before anybody was really going to want to listen to his press. I don't think he had an opportunity to do it because he had started the journey in such a bad way and you know, and he overcame that. He really did, He really did overcome that, and he had us all believing that that wasn't a criteria, that age thing that he has said so and like he and it's true, yeah, both of them are so Like he did a really good job of coming from a negative position. He made it back to like ground zero. He just didn't make it past that.
00:23:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be interesting.
00:23:16
Speaker 3: It's gonna be so interesting because I mean obviously seasons EBB and flow, but like the excitement of yours and Gary's, it just it feels so different this time, which is like, you know, it'll be so interesting to see if we'll get a bachelorette and who it would be.
00:23:30
Speaker 2: If we do. So, if you if you looked at the audience, really well, so many of the women from his season were.
00:23:37
Speaker 1: There, weren't almost all? It felt like almost all. Yeah, so.
00:23:42
Speaker 2: Like let's take well, we're not gonna take another quation, so the logical person to choose probably be sitting. That's kind of like pretty standard bachelor. Yeah, but he had some pretty incredible women on his season. Do you have somebody that you would choose? First of all, would you choose Sidney? And if you didn't choose Cidy, who would you choose from that?
00:24:03
Speaker 3: It's so difficult, Like obviously it's like you would feel like Sidney. But then we also talked about like maybe if she would have pushed us a little bit further, that I could.
00:24:11
Speaker 1: Do it for her a little bit more.
00:24:12
Speaker 3: And Joan and I were talking about this on the way, Like even in Gary season there obviously there was a final three and amazing choices, but I remember Jones like leaving and it really stuck out to me. So I feel like there are so many, like you said, deserving women.
00:24:27
Speaker 2: But Debbie, so I love the idea sweet, and I love the idea of something different. So like we have Taylor, Frankie Paul, she is a shake up right now. I think it's gonna be an insanely popular season. I think that we like that we've never had one that has three kids, two baby daddies, had a sex scandal, and is a convicted criminal. I mean, let's just put it all out there. We all know it's not I think, though I'm kind of intrigued by her.
00:25:04
Speaker 1: No I have to watch. I like, I think the whole world.
00:25:08
Speaker 2: Different, Like we've been seeing maybe the same old thing a lot of a lot of years. So it makes me think that maybe Debbie is a really good choice because we have not seen an older person that has never been married before. In fact, we have very few contestants that I've been married before, only one on the Golden Bachelor season, really only one on my season, and she was the only one on that season. So we had three that have come on the show at all that have not been have never been married.
00:25:33
Speaker 1: I love that. It's such a good I love so badly.
00:25:37
Speaker 2: I feel like she's never well she's found love before, she's actually had serious relationships, but she's never been married, She's never had like her person, the person you plan your future with and you're going to grow old with. And I feel like I'd really be rooting for her, almost more than I root for Cindy.
00:25:52
Speaker 3: No, I agree, because it would be the first time the audience, of course golden they always say like second chance, I love, but it's.
00:25:58
Speaker 1: Her first, just in her golden years. Yeah, that's such a good point.
00:26:02
Speaker 3: Wait, we shaid start campaigning for this, because that's such a good idea.
00:26:05
Speaker 2: I'm totally upset it, like a five times on podcast.
00:26:07
Speaker 3: I really love actual love of her life, the actual her golden years would be beautiful and.
00:26:12
Speaker 2: She would be so per Can you imagine her wedding, Like you have to televise it?
00:26:17
Speaker 1: No, you would have to me and Joan will be in the front row, and I will.
00:26:24
Speaker 2: I voted for you early, yes, And she looked beautiful. She was there tonight.
00:26:28
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't even see her. I think I'm in the audience.
00:26:31
Speaker 2: Beautiful, And I think that she would be really good. And I loved her heart and she buried her soul and I don't think she would have given up if she had made it to the final two. I don't think she would have You're not giving me what I need, and I think she would have been there till the end for him.
00:26:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wait, what a crazy ending.
00:26:52
Speaker 2: It was an ending. I don't know how I feel that. I usually have a data process and I could kind of get my brain to like how I feel about it. I'm just like, I'm just like spitting it all out right now, as as you are, like, did I like that ending? Director? Did I not like that ending?
00:27:09
Speaker 1: What do you think? I think?
00:27:12
Speaker 3: I almost well, I've never been to and after the final rows that was like pre taped, so the world doesn't know right now, which is so interesting because we get to have these thoughts without Sometimes I think one way and then I'll look online and I'm like, oh maybe I was wrong.
00:27:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'll hear other people's.
00:27:26
Speaker 3: I've never walked away and just didn't feel warm and fuzzy. AFR is such a good feeling.
00:27:32
Speaker 2: I don't. I feel like Sidney ripped of of that their ending, Like it was like an abrupt ending that I wasn't ready for. I feel like they didn't say they loved each other when they were standing there on the beach. They got a weirdering thing happening that it was a proposal. Maybe it was it they come out and sit next to each other finally say I love you.
00:27:57
Speaker 1: But the love you wasn't like I'm so in love shine with you.
00:28:02
Speaker 2: And the more I we've done our happy couple of visits and I've fallen so deeply in love with you, it's like he's like, yeah, I do love this woman now, and she's like, yeah, you love this guy.
00:28:11
Speaker 4: You know, You're so right.
00:28:12
Speaker 3: And then they're like, we don't do feels, and everyone's like religion feels.
00:28:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, like love is in the air, no truly, and you know what, maybe that's just how they are and and they're the type of people that are going to share that all in private, which I totally love.
00:28:29
Speaker 1: But it's just like, it's not what you do. We've bared worse than are so we've liked, oh.
00:28:34
Speaker 3: My gosh so much because it's just you know, in the name of love, and it's it's.
00:28:38
Speaker 1: Part of the show. And the audience fallows along.
00:28:41
Speaker 2: I know, and you know what, Bache Nation gets invested in you because you are being real and you're like and they can relate to your feelings all loved and lost or we've all you know, had bad relationships and so like talking about those and people relating to you. They gave us something to relate to.
00:28:58
Speaker 3: And it's so true, I know, and we're so happy for that, we really are.
00:29:03
Speaker 1: But it's is just like our raw feelings, which I know you got to people with. But yeah, we are comfortable. Yeah, we love them, We do love that. We are so happy for them. But I love that Fuzzy is not there.
00:29:17
Speaker 2: We're missing that. There was a little part of me, actually, there was a big part of me that hoped this that he would propose right there.
00:29:26
Speaker 1: Has that happened before?
00:29:28
Speaker 3: Yes?
00:29:28
Speaker 1: Who was it? Was it?
00:29:30
Speaker 2: Somebody did? Jason and Mollie, I can't remember, somebody and Monne.
00:29:37
Speaker 6: But then you're so happy, you're like the You're like okay, wait, okay, okay, We're like okay wait.
00:29:42
Speaker 3: Maybe he's just like he didn't know and now it's it's they're so married.
00:29:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they like they finally said there love. And I thought he was going to like get down on one knee and pull out a ring. Another neeling Neeeling was sitting next to him, and there we should ask him we could ask him.
00:29:57
Speaker 1: I bet you know. When we're like, was that a proposal? Is that a ring, he'd be like.
00:30:01
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I was hoping that he would do it. I had this big thought in my mind, and then when they started doing the bloopers, I'm like, well, it's not happening.
00:30:10
Speaker 3: As soon as the bloopers ran, we saw a clip of Taylor yeah, and that was it. Yeah, and then it was over and it just then we went home and here we are.
00:30:20
Speaker 2: You know who made me feel the most woman buzzy was Taylor m I liked her. Yeah, she like I have all these and I've watched super Lives of Mormon Wives. I think it's a great.
00:30:31
Speaker 1: I know I can't wait for the next season.
00:30:34
Speaker 2: And I hear the next season is juicy. Yes. I talked to some of the girls at you you were there with the.
00:30:42
Speaker 4: O.
00:30:43
Speaker 2: They would give me a little, a little scoop. I feel like Taylor franky Paul is emotional and like she's raw, and I think she's like that on Super Lines and Mormon Wives. She's like she's always super honest. I think I out of all the things tonight she was she was the most emotional other than.
00:31:02
Speaker 3: No, just seeing that small clip, you are so right, She's already saying, I can see my husband.
00:31:07
Speaker 1: I feel like I can fall in love.
00:31:09
Speaker 3: I've already been through so much as is way harder like and you could see it, like watching her sit down there, I'm like, oh my god, I felt like I was there again, Like.
00:31:16
Speaker 1: I was it. I've been.
00:31:20
Speaker 7: Relating to it and I sat on that couch too, of you and I still couldn't connect, I know, and I've been kind of the city person, like I left you know, Gary season early and like we had, you know, we had started to form some bond and I don't know, I was disappointed to be left.
00:31:39
Speaker 2: I was disappointed in their lack of emotions. I don't feel like this finale wold me at all and usually finelles deal.
00:31:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:31:48
Speaker 3: The most interesting part was probably that Gary and Teresa were in the same audience.
00:31:53
Speaker 1: And that was probably the juicy far was that nuts that? I mean, my guys really were all the yes, so many exes in the audience. I'm like when they do that, like did they know? I know, because they know that the other person is going to be there.
00:32:08
Speaker 3: Very interesting audience if you guys can pick them out.
00:32:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the studio. Yeah, it's like I think the most Bachelor Nations filled.
00:32:18
Speaker 1: I'd every love it.
00:32:19
Speaker 2: I love it. A union, Yeah, it was like two whole sections of terination, so much fun. It was really good. Yeah. I am excited to see if the Golden Series continues me to feel like every single every single year is on the chopping block.
00:32:37
Speaker 1: I'm worried this.
00:32:37
Speaker 3: And especially Bachelorette, because Bachelorette is always on the chopping block.
00:32:41
Speaker 1: We know that that's the first one to go.
00:32:43
Speaker 2: Everybody knows Bachelorette doesn't get as good ratings Bachelor.
00:32:46
Speaker 1: Because the women make us season.
00:32:48
Speaker 2: We do. The men of my season make the season the.
00:32:53
Speaker 3: Amazing there, but the women, it's just it's so they're so fun to watch. So yeah, it'll be interesting. I wouldn't mind you being old so special like she truly is like the only goal that I would be like, Okay, we just ever never don't.
00:33:10
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that there are lots of ones that are deserving. I'm voting for Debbie right now. Okay, Team Debbie. We love it, and I don't want Sidney to hate me and think that I wasn't voting for her.
00:33:23
Speaker 1: No, of course, so happy.
00:33:25
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't like Sydney's our help.
00:33:27
Speaker 3: By the way, you're a beautiful, stunning eye. Her dress was amazing, like the silver giving Goerella.
00:33:35
Speaker 2: Which dress did you like the best?
00:33:37
Speaker 3: She loved both, and I love that they both went sparkles, yeah, big time. It was giving revenge dress for Sydney and Pegs was just so fun and she was dancing before she came out.
00:33:47
Speaker 1: It was sparkling. It was definitely her personality.
00:33:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was her versatility right, and was her personality yes, yeah, she's a little more subdued. Even the sparkle. It was like a silver gray.
00:33:55
Speaker 1: It was beautiful and they everyone liked beautiful.
00:33:59
Speaker 3: Maybe we will get a wedding and then we'll see some more emotions.
00:34:02
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll do a big punch when.
00:34:04
Speaker 6: They'll do their own bells'd be terrible, can you imagine?
00:34:18
Speaker 3: Okay, So I feel like the juiciest part of this whole episode was the fact that Teresa and Gary were in the audience together.
00:34:27
Speaker 2: What the heck?
00:34:28
Speaker 3: I saw Teresa and I thought Gary wasn't here, and then all of a sudden, I turned around and I see Gary and his fiance.
00:34:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, walking in and they okay, so they were sitting in sections right next to each other, so you could, I would say, right next to Gary.
00:34:42
Speaker 3: I didn't even know the audience half the time because she was sitting in the same row. I couldn't see across. They were like next to each other basically, but just like like a bleacher apart.
00:34:55
Speaker 2: Or literally they could and hit each other.
00:34:57
Speaker 1: No, genuinely, I know they were so close.
00:34:59
Speaker 3: I didn't couldn't even see them, and where the prompter was right in the middle.
00:35:03
Speaker 2: Well, so I kept looking over to see if there was going to ever be any eye contact, and I think only one time did Gary look over there. What was really like at commercial breaks, we all get up and walk around and like say, running around. Gary never moved from his She did it because I don't think he wanted to have an encounter encounter with her. I think that it was no care now and she really didn't move from her seat. She stayed kind of over with the golden batcher over. I mean we're friends, yeah, never, yeah, never, those two world's going to meet.
00:35:36
Speaker 3: That is absolutely crazy what I've been seeing in the press.
00:35:40
Speaker 2: And I bet there's should be a lot of cameras on both of them throughout this whole taping, because I really feel like their story is probably the biggest answer.
00:35:51
Speaker 3: And it's crazy because like we talked about the warm fuzzies, and I remember at their wedding, I was crying, he was. That was so emotional and see, yeah we were there the wedding to where we are now, It's like, it's so hard that this happens to couples, but especially them, because I feel like they've both been through so much and now to be going back and forth in the press, it's so stressed.
00:36:13
Speaker 1: And they're each other down.
00:36:15
Speaker 2: They're making each other look, both look bad, and they're both really like pretty good people I know.
00:36:19
Speaker 1: And they're making you feel bad.
00:36:21
Speaker 2: They're just showing each other. It just keeps going back and forth back every day. Disappointing.
00:36:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I think one thing was said and then like I hear something about chopping bodies and hiding bodies.
00:36:34
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's happening. I saw Teresa.
00:36:35
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I think it was all taken out of conto.
00:36:39
Speaker 1: No, of course we know that he's not.
00:36:45
Speaker 2: Really bad.
00:36:48
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, and.
00:36:48
Speaker 2: It was okay, so but I mean, she used it against him. I feel like maybe I don't know. I wasn't there, but I don't I know him. I don't He's not like this guy would kill somebody and think it was just really stooge.
00:37:01
Speaker 3: I know, And especially now when like these words are holding a lot of weight because there are so many eyeballs on it, you know what it is doing.
00:37:09
Speaker 1: It's kind of like knowing those book he's making some money. Oh my gosh, it's so pep. We're going to buy that book. All press is good press.
00:37:16
Speaker 3: I have learned that I'm still had.
00:37:20
Speaker 2: A right bad press. I think he's gonna excel some books. So I mean, I think, I I think, I'm I think everybody left a hole today because they avoided each other. And I'm not sure why Bachelor invited both both of them.
00:37:36
Speaker 1: I know you think they knew.
00:37:38
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because I know Leslie and Triesa didn't get invited until like just a couple of days ago when things were really hidden.
00:37:45
Speaker 1: And no ways, this is so messy.
00:37:50
Speaker 3: I feel like Bachelor producers, you know, they always say, like Chris Jenner works harder than the devil.
00:37:55
Speaker 1: I think the Bachelor producers might work harder than Chris Jenner. They really, because that's crazy.
00:38:01
Speaker 3: I thought it was just like a planned thing, like everyone was because it's golden.
00:38:04
Speaker 2: And there was no other person from our season other than Sondra that was there. And Sondra was there because her sister was on Mel season. They were the only two people there, right, not a single other person from Gary season, Me, Leslie, Leslie, Teresa and Sora because Sonder's sister was.
00:38:22
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is messy.
00:38:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why. I mean, if anybody, if anybody looks at this audience, they're going to figure that.
00:38:28
Speaker 3: Oh, I feel like that's going to be everything obvious everyone's talking about.
00:38:32
Speaker 2: It's really obvious. Okay, So I feel like we we kind of skipped over that really uncomfortable conversation of Mel and Cindy's sitting on the sofa and hers her saying like what happened and he him saying like I needed time with you in the fantasy like we missed the time, and she said, well, you weren't giving me enough to make me want to go to the fantasy feet with you. When I feel like you could say like we need to talk. We don't need to have that physical part of it. And it's just you guys going into a room without cameras. Why is that such a big deal? And then she would say, well, you didn't give me enough, and he said, well, I couldn't give you enough because I needed to tell you stuff. I need to talk to you in fantasy, you talk to you without cameras. And she said, well, I wasn't going to go in there without more of a better promise from you or a better more emotions from you. And it just went back and forth and back and forth and back and forth to the point where Jesse finally jumped in. He had to like referee it.
00:39:28
Speaker 1: He was pulling Hi just crazy at a real sitting.
00:39:34
Speaker 2: We were like, this is never going to end. Somebody needs to stop it. So he did.
00:39:38
Speaker 3: I got like two bulls, like budding heads, like both of them. No one was like actually saying how they feel.
00:39:45
Speaker 2: And then Jesse said, and it wasn't during this conversation.
00:39:48
Speaker 1: It was before Mel came out.
00:39:51
Speaker 2: When she was sitting there alone, she said, did you want Mel to come after you? Because Jesse had come and spoken about hard you know, do you use the opportunity to go after it? She hasn't left it, and he said no, and then he asked her, do you wish that he had come? And she said no, And I'm not positive I believe that.
00:40:14
Speaker 3: I also just I don't like it when it's like, if you cared about someone a little bit after that breakup, I would want to have a talk with them, even if it was off camera, and be like, listen, can we have five minutes off camera like before this like is actually over. And the fact that both of them just so easily let it go, it was really disappointing.
00:40:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's disappointing to.
00:40:34
Speaker 3: Hear her say because clearly you felt those feelings and you did want him to come after you, because don't we all we want the man and the profession of love, and it's like it's saddy, hell no. Yeah, And it's hard I think sometimes when months go by and then you're.
00:40:50
Speaker 1: Like, oh, never mind, I never really liked them, and it feels.
00:40:52
Speaker 2: Like that's what we're I know. Yeah, And I felt like like he should have gone after her if he cared enough, so maybe.
00:41:00
Speaker 1: She didn't even.
00:41:02
Speaker 3: Conversation, and it, really, I think is just both of them being stubborn. And I hate to say, yeah, I do wish that she would have just went to the Fantasy Suite to talk, because it's not like he was giving peg promises and she said, well, you can't give them. If that was happening, I would agree with her one hundred percent.
00:41:21
Speaker 2: Could have totally self eliminated. She could have subliminated after that, Yes.
00:41:26
Speaker 1: And even in the morning. In the morning, if I still feel this way, I'm going to leave.
00:41:30
Speaker 3: But I want you to know going in, I need to have these important conversations with you.
00:41:34
Speaker 2: I'm to make my decision. She could have said that up front, I'm not going to go. This isn't going to be a physical thing. But that's what was keeping her back, because the thing that was keeping her back was the physical part of it, because she wanted to have those conversations. So why did she just say that's off the table for us. I do want to spend time with you, but I don't want to. I don't think I'm at that place yet with you. I don't have enough for you to want to do that. Yeah, why why couldn't have that been like no conversation.
00:41:58
Speaker 3: I agree, and like I think the Fantasy Suite they always do visually make it seem like so yeah sexy and everybody in the morning, yeah, with the robes, and I mean sometimes it could be a very tiny part, but the main part is like they don't understand we're in that room for like so many hours, no camera, no phone, no it's eavy like you were talking the entire time.
00:42:22
Speaker 1: It really does make a difference. And I wish she would have given him that time.
00:42:27
Speaker 2: It helped me make my decision to tell you that. I mean it really I came out knowing.
00:42:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's so important, and I think sometimes the physical thing can block And I mean, I love the way you did it, and I feel like so many people have done it in the past where like they said, that's off the table, so valid, make that like known upfront. I love that, but I mean it is so important just to be like, what are you actually feeling? There's no cameras, how do we move forward?
00:42:53
Speaker 1: And she didn't, and we wish she would have, Like so easily I.
00:42:57
Speaker 3: Would have been like, Okay, here's your ultimatum, and the morning, I'm gonna leave what I need on the camera and I want to give you that because I care about you.
00:43:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:43:07
Speaker 2: Well, and he also did say something like he used the term two years and so hard of that conversation, and she said like, yeah, I'm not willing to wait two.
00:43:16
Speaker 1: Years, which I do feel that's a long time.
00:43:19
Speaker 3: I get that, And I mean there was something similar that happened on my season where I had someone who didn't want to get engaged and it was so important to me at the time that they made that commitment to me. So I do in a way understand where she's coming from that this is you know, the Bachelor. There's a ring, it is involved, and I completely.
00:43:39
Speaker 2: Agree with her the two years it was a long that is.
00:43:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a long time.
00:43:43
Speaker 2: I remember Joey and Lex had that same conversation and she went to him and spoke to him like, you know, said, I have this physical thing that happens. You know that she is going to have a hard time having babies and she needed the timeline to be quicker, and he said, I'm not going to get there, and she was. She self eliminated. But I don't think Cindy ever, like had that conversation she just before it happened.
00:44:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we saw a lot of it off camera, like in the live audience and after she had months and months and months to like cross about it.
00:44:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I have to address my lack of voice.
00:44:16
Speaker 1: So was party.
00:44:18
Speaker 4: I was.
00:44:18
Speaker 2: I was out a little less. We went out to dinner. We actually went with Bachelor People, which was really fun. I ended up with with Pascal was in town and for my season, yes, yep, and he was there and Monica Bee was there and we saw them sitting together in the audience.
00:44:39
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, wait any more. I can't give you any tea.
00:44:44
Speaker 2: That's up to them. And then Theresa Leslie.
00:44:48
Speaker 1: I love that.
00:44:48
Speaker 2: Quite a fun group.
00:44:50
Speaker 1: I love that party. I was at eight pm as soon as the sun went down, tucked in. I have to I love that you guys went out, but we need to get her at tea.
00:45:03
Speaker 2: I know. So I'm sorry.
00:45:04
Speaker 1: I couldn't like talk very good. But no, you sound so much better than you did in the car. When we were in the car, I was like, Joe, this is gonna be an a s m R episode. Just whispered to me. I'll say, what you think you just talk? No, you did so. I feel like your voice bounced back. It's giving raspy.
00:45:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, I want to feel respy, I feel tired.
00:45:27
Speaker 1: I know this was it was a long night.
00:45:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, thanks Ben and Ashley for letting us take over, especially for this really monumental fin helly, thank you for letting us do it. And we're honored that you'd want to hear our opinion. I know we didn't. We're not professionals like you guys, but we have been set in the seats, he said, and I feel like we had a really good view of what was No.
00:45:51
Speaker 4: I love it.
00:45:52
Speaker 1: Should we do what it's? Ben's outro always it's like I've been met.
00:45:57
Speaker 2: I've been Rachel. Okay, you you have Ashley. Okay, so I've been Joe.
00:46:05
Speaker 1: And I've been Rachel and what are they? I forget I say that, And I've been Joed, I've been Rachel. We did it.
00:46:20
Speaker 2: H
