Modified Citrus Pectin – Peeling Back the Science on Surprising Trial Results!

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Hello, healers.

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My name is Ben,
and this is The Moss Report.

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I'm here today with my father, author

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and founder of The Moss
Report, doctor Ralph W Moss.

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Good morning dad. Good morning Ben.

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So before we get started,
introducing the topic for today.

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I first want to wish you a couple of days
early,

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a very happy birthday.

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And you know, of course,
we have many people out there

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who have been following you,
some of them for decades, and I'm sure

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that they'll all join me in wishing you
many, many more happy birthdays to come.

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Thank you so much. Thank you.

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And for those of you out there,
if you'd like to put a comment, you know

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that always helps support the channel,
but a like doesn't hurt.

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So today we're going to be discussing

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a topic that I don't have
that much knowledge about.

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And I'm not sure what you're going to be
telling us.

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As I understand
it, it's called modified citrus pectin.

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And apparently you found some

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information about this substance
that you think that people should know.

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So what have you found?

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Well, I've been following this story
since the 1990s.

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Mid 1990s.

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So this is going back, you know, 30 years

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into sort of the midpoint of my career.

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And it it really.

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Began, came to my attention
and came to the world's attention, I'd say

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with a paper out of, Michigan,

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that was discussing the effect

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of something called modified
citrus pectin.

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on Metastases in animals and in cells.

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And it had the it
it was a very important paper,

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came from somebody who has since gone on
to have a fantastic career

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in the field of urology.

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And it was about prostate
initially about prostate cancer.

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Although it does pertain
to other kinds of cancer as well.

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Do you want to mention their name?

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Of course. And his name was,

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Kenneth or Ken Pienta.

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Okay.

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He became the head of research
at the world famous Brady

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Urological Institute at Johns Hopkins,
perhaps the the most famous,

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urology institute in the country,
if not the world.

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So he
he went on for to have a glorious career

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and he still functioning urologist,
urological oncologist.

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They are at Johns Hopkins.

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But when he was in Michigan,
he was instrumental

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in, doing this research
on this very unusual,

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unlikely substance.

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And also figuring out how it worked.

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So it was sort of like,
you know, Athena came

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full blown out of the head of Zeus,
and this,

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this substance came full blown
out of the head of Ken Pienta,

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with the explanation
for why this should work.

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And then the demonstration
that in animal research it did work.

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And, that's something that
I'm always asking, why does this work?

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Right. There isn't always an answer.

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So we have a couple of things
going on here

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with this story
that make it unusual for us Ben.

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So one is we know the mechanism.

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We think we know the mechanism.

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It's no secret it's been around 30 years.

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It's only gotten stronger.

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That association has gotten stronger.

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And the other thing we've got,
is clinical data.

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And, you know, I'm always apologizing,
sort of half apologizing

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for the things that I believe in

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the natural methods because,

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you know, we have to be frank

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with people and honest that oftentimes

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all of the arrows are pointing
in the right direction.

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But that doesn't mean that it's something
has been shown in an actual human

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clinical situation to be beneficial.

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Here, we do have that information,
and I'll go into as much detail

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as you'd like, to discuss that,
but I want to hear everything.

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That's why it makes me excited
and optimistic and, you know,

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something that, definitely is actionable.

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So what did the original, study

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indicate?

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As you
said, it related to matasteses. Right.

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So was that his initial avenue
was to try to research it

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as it related to metastases in cancer.?

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And prostate cancer specifically.

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Okay. So this is super, super important.

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Prostate cancer is the second leading
cause of cancer deaths in men

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at least in U.S. and many other countries.

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So it isn't an, you know, just an odd,
inconsequential finding.

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It's something very important.

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Before we get into that,
what the study actually

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showed, I should explain what it is.

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What what's pectin?

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What’s citrus pectin?
What's modified about it?

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Okay.

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Well, but let me just say
before you do that, and of course, it goes

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without saying that we know
about the benefits of citrus products

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as it relates to them
being a good source of vitamin C,.

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Right.

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But I'm assuming this
doesn't have anything to do with that.

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Is that right?
That's right. Because. Well.

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this is something else completely
that comes from citrus?

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True, true. Okay.

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Yeah.

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And the pectin, which is the same
basically the same substance

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that used to, make jams and jellies.

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What everybody, every good 19th

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century housewife knows about,
you know, pectin.

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It's a, it's still sold
in the stores, Pectin

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as especially around the time
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you know, starting to use -
harvesting fruit and canning and so forth,

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which we have some people
in our own family who do that, right?

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Including my wife. Right.

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And that's who I'm thinking of. It’s
not even the 19th century.

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I'm teasing.

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But in any case, so yes,
you can buy pectin in the store.

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It's just a couple of bucks or two.

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It's no big deal,
but that pectin won't work.

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Is that citrus pectin?

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That is Yes, I believe it is. Okay.

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And they don't use, If I'm remembering
correctly, they don't use grapefruit,

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but the other citrus fruits,
limes, lemons, and oranges.

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And it isn't the it isn't the juicy
fruit part That they're looking for.

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It's the pith

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and the peel.

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More of the internal,
the inside of the peel that yields

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the the most, pectin.

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And that's what they take.

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But unlike ordinary pectin
or unlike other,

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fibrous substances you may be familiar
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which is a very fine product,
by the way for

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soluble fiber,
which everybody should get in their diet.

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And, and that

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dissolves very

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nicely in, in any, hot beverage
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But, but this one
is, is much more esoteric, the Benefiber,

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just as another fiber type of product
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and dissolves very well.

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But it's a much larger molecule.

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And the chemical structure,

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the modified citrus pectin is

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is small enough to pass
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rather readily
and get to work in the bloodstream

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and in the body and where you want it
to go, namely to the cancer cells.

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But it's not if it were still in

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its normal, unmodified state,

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it would be the molecule
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So very, very little of
it would actually get into you.

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And so it won't have any effect.

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Now, I think Pienta is the person
who discovered this chemically,

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but I'm not 100% sure.

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I know it
burst on the scene because of his work

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and his coauthors in Michigan.

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But it makes all the difference.

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And it would have died

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you know, basically, as a topic, it came
and then it really went.

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He, he when he moved to, to Hopkins,

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he basically went into other directions,
which are related in some ways.

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I've looked at his research recently,
and it's related in some ways

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to the basic idea
behind the modified citrus pectin.

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But it's, It's not,
nothing in the self-help

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direction, if you know what I mean.

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So what makes this unusual
is that it's available to the public,

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and has been for a long time.

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Okay.

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So am I understanding that the modified
part of the modified citrus pectin,

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specifically refers to the reduction
of the size of the molecule.

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Is that the modification? Correct.

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And it's done...

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Sorry to follow up with that, then so then
if you were going out and just eating,

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you know,
orange rinds or orange pith, for example,

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it wouldn't confer the same benefit.

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Not at all.

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You'd get some benefit.

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The bioflavonoids
that Albert Szent-Gyorgyi discovered

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when he around the same time
he discovered the nature of vitamin C.

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That's right.

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I remember about that to some degree.

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Yeah.

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So so then this is not relating
to bioflavonoids per se either?

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No, not at all.

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It's totally different class
of of compounds.

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Okay. Fascinating.

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So all right so then you're saying
he dropped the subject

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and moved on to other things.

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And then
and then where did that get picked up?

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Not too long after that,

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a friend of mine and somebody I know
very well, Isaac Eliaz.

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Also came Across this paper and realized

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that it wasn't really going to go anywhere
in terms of the,

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the world, because,
Pienta had moved on to other things.

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So he started to manufacture,

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or he started a company called EcoNugenics

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to manufacture this
and make it available as a Supplement.

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Isaac is an MD, he's a brilliant mind,

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brilliant person, and does has made

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a number of interesting, very interesting
and important discoveries.

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And he runs a clinic
and you know, he's just an all around,

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unusual, person whom I came to know
very well, and still do.

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And, I've had the pleasure
to speak with him as well. Yes.

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Very nice man.

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He is.

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He even was my house guest at one time
when I was living in Pennsylvania.

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I forget what he was
in, sort of in the area.

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And I invited him over and I anyway, I,
I have a good personal relationship

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with him. I’m proud to say.

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And he picked this up.

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He didn't.

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Invent it, but he picked it up
and modified the modified

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the modification,
if you will, because it's, now they use,

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they use, heat and they use acid

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and they use pH, changing the pH.

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So, it's basically

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maximized for its

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ability to get into the bloodstream
and therefore get to the, to the cancer.

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The bioavailability. Correct.

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So Isaac took this up
and he pursued this for decades.

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He since has moved on.

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Not so much focused on that.

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And he sold his stake in, EcoNugenics

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but,
it's still still there, still flourishing.

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And it's It's really,
there's been quite a few articles.

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I forget how many, but it's
there are dozens of scores of,

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I would say of articles on this topic,
in the medical literature.

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But it can be gotten.

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I mean, it's not faded into obscurity
so that you can't even get it.

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Here we are.
Oh, we're having show and tell already.

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That's all I got.

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Okay. This is my total show and tell.

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All right.

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But anyway, there's a lot of,
a lot of nice information.

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Yeah.

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About this.

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He says 65.

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They say 65 published papers.

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He's got patents on it.

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I see one, two, three, 4, 5 patents.

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So it's a very legitimate thing.

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It's something that everybody should know
about, I would say.

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Well, we know that there's a lot of things
out on the market.

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And in terms of health foods
and supplements.

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Yeah.

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But very few, as you mentioned
earlier, have clinical studies.

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So are you going to now
tell us a little bit about that,

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or is there anything else in between now
and then?

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Well, no, I'll, I'll tell you about that,

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because that's sort of the cutting to the
bottom line in a way.

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Right.

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There, there have been a few,

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clinical tests,
but the main one is in two,

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contained in two papers,
one from 2021 and one from 2023.

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It's the same clinical trial
and it's the same group.

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But they, first they did a six month study

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with some data on on
what happened at one year.

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And then they expanded that
and they have more complete

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data from two years more.

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Okay.

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As with other studies
that we've talked about,

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one of the main ways
you measure something in prostate cancer

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is by its effect on the PSA,

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the prostate specific antigen test.

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It’s a common test that's used
by urologists all over the world.

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And the doubling time, the P S A D

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T is a standard measurement of benefit.

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If you can extend the period
in which the PSA is doubling in number

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and in its size,
then you're getting a positive effect.

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And in this, study
which was done in Israel at

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I think, about 12 authors
at eight different Institutions.

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The response rate

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in terms of PSA,

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and in terms of not having recurrences
of the disease was 78%.

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That was 36 out of 46

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patients that had a positive response.

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Now I'll explain what in more detail
what that means.

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There was improvement in the PSA
doubling time

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in 75% of the patients.

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So this was pretty amazing.

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And the paper came out, as I say, in 2021.

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It got a lot

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of play in the public media,
and it got a fair number of people

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who work with the topic of pectin
around the world

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also cited it in their papers
in the interim.

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I don't know exactly what happened,

285
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but when the second paper came out,
it got almost no attention.

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This may actually,
other than one trade journal,

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this podcast may be the only place

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that you would find this paper discussed.

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But the paper, but the second paper was
far more significant than the first paper.

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So this has to do,
I think, with commercial questions.

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And who's paying,
you know, like who's going

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to put this out on the PR Newswire
and so forth.

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And it's not a it's not a clear
cut explanation for why the better

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or the more complete paper
would have less publicity.

295
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But it got next to no publicity.

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So when you say
paper, was each of those papers

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looking at a different study, or were they
two papers looking at the same study?

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Right. They were two papers
looking at the same study, but

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the second paper had more mature data.

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I see.

301
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And it only got better.

302
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The results only got better. Okay.

303
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And that means by mature data, you're

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talking about the length of time

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between the clinical trial
and the results.

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So if the results. Right.

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Were going on for a longer period,

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then they had the ability to look at that
over a longer period.

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Is that right?

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That's right.

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The same patients, same authors,

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and the same dose
of the modified citrus pectin,

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which was basically about one

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teaspoon, one heaping teaspoon.

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In a hot beverage,
taken 2 to 3 times per day.

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I think it was three times
on an empty stomach, but very important

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because remember I said that the advantage
of the modification of the pectin

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is that it passes through the intestines
into the bloodstream.

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Right.

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If you eat a lot of other foods, along
with it, you won't get that advantage.

321
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It's hanging around in the gastric system,
getting involved by the stomach acids

322
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and everything. Exactly, exactly.

323
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But you got to get it in there fast
and it'll pass through.

324
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Right.

325
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So when I take it, I, I put it into tea,

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with nothing else in it,
or I'll put it in black coffee maybe.

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Does it have any taste.

328
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It does.

329
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It has a very slight lemony taste
I would say.

330
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Okay. Which isn't bad, in tea.

331
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In terms of ingredients though it's

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essentially just this pectin stuff.

333
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Right.

334
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I mean they're not touting it
as having some other mystical or you know,

335
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hidden, patented chemical or additive,
right?

336
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It's just the citrus pectin

337
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that they've done something to
to break it down to some degree, I guess?

338
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That's right.

339
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The molecule is is much smaller,
much smaller.

340
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It's like a hundred times smaller.

341
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Than what you’d find in the Benefiber.

342
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And it's multi...

343
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I don't know

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how many multiple times smaller than what
you would get in the pectin in stores.

345
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I, I guess I could figure
that out and I find that

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even in a tea,

347
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it does impart
and it changes the color of green tea,

348
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and it does impart a slight citrusy,
no surprise, taste

349
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like if you were adding a squeeze of lemon
to it.

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So it's not unpleasant, but it also does

351
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interfere a little bit with the

352
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wonderful flavor of green tea.

353
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I mean,

354
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interfere might be the wrong word
because it's not like you can't drink it.

355
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I have no trouble drinking it.
But it changes it.

356
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It changes it, it changes it. So.

357
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And I also find that

358
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- nobody tells you this on the label but,

359
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you have to stir it quite a bit in order
to get it to fully dissolve.

360
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Okay.

361
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It tends to want to clump together
and must be a workaround for this.

362
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But I haven't found it yet.

363
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But you know, these are tiny.

364
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Tiny, tiny things compared to

365
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what the actual results
are with the study.

366
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So that's how it comes as a powder
that needs to be dissolved in a liquid?

367
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Correct.

368
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It's not a capsule or something else
that you can just swallow?

369
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Okay, I'm not sure I fully answered
your previous question.

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There's no, there's nothing else added
except they do have one form of it

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that has, a lime flavor to it.

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I don't know why,
but the lime flavor kind of masks

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the citrusy flavor,
you know, of the thing.

374
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But I don't need that.
I mean, so I just have the powder one.

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When I think about any kind

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of citrus rind, I, you know, that's a
that's kind of a bitter, unpleasant taste.

377
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Doesn't have the bitter flavor
that I can detect.

378
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I'll quote what they say.

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It says in patients without disease
progression, after the initial six months

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of therapy, they continue to give them

381
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the modified citrus pectin for a year.

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Of the 46 patients
who entered the second treatment, phase,

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seven withdrew consent and decided
to continue, out of pocket on their own

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and 39 then entered the second phase.

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And here's the results.

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After a total of 18 months, that was the
first six months of the first paper.

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And then another year.

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85% or 33 out of 39
had a durable long term response.

389
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Okay.

390
00:21:37,429 --> 00:21:42,000
Now, just to be clear, that response
that they're talking about, is an -

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a decrease in PSA
or an increase in the PSA doubling time?

392
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It was either

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either.

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62% had a decrease or stable PSA.

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So in other words,
the cancer by PSA standards wasn't moving

396
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forward. 62%.

397
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That was 24 out of the 39 patients.

398
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90% had some improvement.

399
00:22:12,664 --> 00:22:16,401
We’re aggregating the numbers here
but had some improvement.

400
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That's to say, a total of 35
had some PSA doubling time improvement.

401
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,910
All the patients in question
had negative scans.

402
00:22:25,477 --> 00:22:26,812
What does that mean?

403
00:22:26,812 --> 00:22:29,581
They didn't have recurrence of cancer

404
00:22:29,581 --> 00:22:33,085
by MRI's or other scans.

405
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:37,656
They didn't have a recurrence.

406
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Okay.

407
00:22:39,057 --> 00:22:40,892
I'm just trying to get a clear picture.

408
00:22:40,892 --> 00:22:42,561
Yeah. Of what that was.

409
00:22:42,561 --> 00:22:47,165
So these are
these are men who had already had

410
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prostate surgery?

411
00:22:50,569 --> 00:22:55,040
These were people
who had a recurrence of cancer

412
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after having had previous treatment.

413
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Okay. Oh.

414
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So it's it's really all good, you know.

415
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I mean one could quibble
I guess with the, I guess the

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the main caveat here would be that 39

417
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patients is not A large Ggeat amount

418
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that you would be able to make firm
conclusions based on.

419
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But most of this
was highly statistically significant.

420
00:23:25,170 --> 00:23:29,341
In other words,
less than a one in 20 chance of it

421
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being due to just accidental.

422
00:23:32,177 --> 00:23:35,981
No. Well, I mean, I think 39
patients is not no significant number.

423
00:23:35,981 --> 00:23:41,453
It's hard to get 39 patients
in the same state of disease

424
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or at the same state of the progression
of a disease

425
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to to study at all.

426
00:23:47,692 --> 00:23:48,627
That's right.

427
00:23:48,627 --> 00:23:51,062
But there had been. I wanted to mention.

428
00:23:51,062 --> 00:23:51,229
Yeah.

429
00:23:51,229 --> 00:23:56,067
What I didn't mention was that
between the, the Kenneth Pienta study and,

430
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or we could call the Isaac Eliaz study
in, in Israel.

431
00:24:00,405 --> 00:24:03,408
He was the senior author on that paper.

432
00:24:03,742 --> 00:24:07,446
There was another study
from a very well known, well-respected

433
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group called Prostate
Oncology Specialists in Marina del Rey,

434
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a very well known
in the field of of integrative medicine.

435
00:24:15,754 --> 00:24:17,189
That's Mark Scholz.

436
00:24:17,189 --> 00:24:20,692
People might remember, might note the name
Richard Lam.

437
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These are all well known figures
in sort of the

438
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the cutting edge of integrative, urology
and Stephen Strum.

439
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And I know some of these people and,

440
00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:37,476
they studied modified citrus pectin
in ten men

441
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who had biochemical PSA failure.

442
00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:47,719
That just simply means
that they weren't necessarily biopsied,

443
00:24:47,719 --> 00:24:51,523
but their PSA was going up after
they had already been treated.

444
00:24:51,656 --> 00:24:54,459
Some of them actually
were treated with cryoablation.

445
00:24:54,459 --> 00:24:59,264
They found that the PSADT,
the doubling time increased in seven

446
00:24:59,264 --> 00:25:04,703
out of the ten men after taking modified
citrus pectin for 12 months

447
00:25:04,903 --> 00:25:07,906
compared to, before taking the MCP.

448
00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:11,743
So this was small, ten.

449
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And it came from a very well

450
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regarded, well well-recognized group.

451
00:25:17,582 --> 00:25:22,254
And it was certainly something
of, of importance.

452
00:25:22,554 --> 00:25:25,557
And here's
where my frustration comes in Ben.

453
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:30,562
It's about my lifetime of 50 years of
frustration.

454
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Is, it then took

455
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almost 20 years

456
00:25:36,635 --> 00:25:39,871
more before somebody followed up on this

457
00:25:40,171 --> 00:25:46,211
incredibly promising study in ten men
with a phase two trial.

458
00:25:46,211 --> 00:25:48,713
This could be considered
like a phase one trial.

459
00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:51,716
With a phase II trial

460
00:25:51,850 --> 00:25:53,985
to demonstrate that indeed

461
00:25:53,985 --> 00:25:57,188
it was even better than than
what they found.

462
00:25:57,422 --> 00:26:01,426
So it confirmed the study from,

463
00:26:01,426 --> 00:26:05,697
Mark Scholz and his colleague, Doctor
Guess was the first author on that.

464
00:26:05,697 --> 00:26:08,700
I call that the Guess clinical trial.

465
00:26:09,534 --> 00:26:12,203
This is the, this is, you know,
I mean, I guess I'm

466
00:26:12,203 --> 00:26:15,540
like a, if anyone remembers
what a broken record is.

467
00:26:16,641 --> 00:26:20,845
This is a the broken record of my life
because I mean, I've been saying this

468
00:26:20,845 --> 00:26:23,882
for literally, for 50 years
that many things fall

469
00:26:23,882 --> 00:26:29,054
through the cracks in oncology
and in many other, areas of medicine

470
00:26:29,287 --> 00:26:33,558
because nobody can
see their way to a profitable

471
00:26:34,526 --> 00:26:36,027
outcome with it.

472
00:26:36,027 --> 00:26:39,764
And this is just, you know,
this is just something that

473
00:26:39,764 --> 00:26:44,336
I've been hammering away at,
but it doesn't change anything.

474
00:26:44,336 --> 00:26:45,537
But here we are again.

475
00:26:45,537 --> 00:26:48,907
It's a sort of like, again,
like the interview that

476
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,678
that I did on the, immunotherapy,

477
00:26:54,346 --> 00:26:57,215
you know,
where it almost died on the vine.

478
00:26:57,215 --> 00:27:00,919
I mean, it took almost a hundred years
for immuno cancer immunotherapy

479
00:27:01,152 --> 00:27:02,320
to get accepted.

480
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,424
And even then, it was
a phenomenal struggle to get this done.

481
00:27:06,758 --> 00:27:09,928
As I mentioned, I know Isaac Eliaz,

482
00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:13,031
so I'm very familiar with the struggles
that he's gone through.

483
00:27:13,064 --> 00:27:16,635
And he's as almost a persistent person
as I am.

484
00:27:16,835 --> 00:27:17,802
So he just.

485
00:27:17,802 --> 00:27:20,672
You know,
kept on, kept on hammering away at this

486
00:27:20,672 --> 00:27:24,509
and going with this and figured out a way
that, you know,

487
00:27:24,542 --> 00:27:29,180
it could be of some interest commercially,
to other people.

488
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,782
But it wasn't about the money.

489
00:27:30,782 --> 00:27:34,119
It was just doggedly pursuing the,
you know,

490
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,122
this obviously beneficial thing.

491
00:27:37,255 --> 00:27:41,226
And comparatively speaking,
a supplement of this type

492
00:27:41,526 --> 00:27:45,530
compared to what, chemo drugs
and different things like that cost.

493
00:27:45,797 --> 00:27:45,964
Yeah.

494
00:27:45,964 --> 00:27:50,035
It's a drop in the bucket
and also I'm going to take liberties here.

495
00:27:50,101 --> 00:27:53,471
I'm going to say that
it's probably nontoxic.

496
00:27:53,471 --> 00:27:55,907
Is that right? Totally.

497
00:27:55,907 --> 00:27:56,574
Right.

498
00:27:56,574 --> 00:27:59,711
It's nontoxic as far as we know.

499
00:28:00,412 --> 00:28:05,583
I take it myself and I don't have any,
you know, any any sensation at all.

500
00:28:05,583 --> 00:28:07,352
One way or the other.

501
00:28:07,352 --> 00:28:12,090
But it certainly doesn't upset my stomach
or interfere with anything.

502
00:28:12,357 --> 00:28:15,260
Plus, it is purely a food substance.

503
00:28:15,260 --> 00:28:20,632
It's generally recognized as safe, GRAS
by the food and Drug Administration.

504
00:28:21,099 --> 00:28:26,738
And it's very interesting
because if you're undergoing radiation

505
00:28:26,738 --> 00:28:30,175
therapy for prostate cancer, as as tens

506
00:28:30,175 --> 00:28:34,079
and hundreds of thousands of men,
find themselves in that situation.

507
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,483
This idea of

508
00:28:39,317 --> 00:28:42,087
taking something like modified
citrus pectin may actually

509
00:28:42,087 --> 00:28:45,223
be beneficial
and almost certainly is not harmful.

510
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:51,162
And nutritionists and oncologists
and urologists who you discuss this with

511
00:28:51,362 --> 00:28:56,634
might be perfectly okay with you
doing this because as I say, it's a food.

512
00:28:57,135 --> 00:28:59,838
It's a generally recognized safe food.

513
00:28:59,838 --> 00:29:02,440
And radiation -

514
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,111
one of the ways radiation works
is by generating free radicals

515
00:29:07,112 --> 00:29:10,515
or singlet oxygen or reactive oxygen
species,

516
00:29:10,515 --> 00:29:14,486
you know, in other words,
just oxygen that can be damaging to cells.

517
00:29:14,486 --> 00:29:16,955
And you don't want to stop that. Because.

518
00:29:16,955 --> 00:29:19,724
That's
one of the one of the beneficial things

519
00:29:19,724 --> 00:29:23,728
is that when these, free radicals
or these dangerous

520
00:29:23,728 --> 00:29:27,165
oxygen molecules are generated,
they kill cancer cells.

521
00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:30,769
But this is not an antioxidant per se.

522
00:29:30,802 --> 00:29:34,372
It may have some antioxidant qualities,
but that's not how it's working.

523
00:29:34,706 --> 00:29:39,410
So it works
in an entirely different parallel track

524
00:29:39,844 --> 00:29:42,380
to what the radiation is doing.

525
00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:47,652
And there's a paper on this and I can read
you and people can see it on the screen

526
00:29:48,019 --> 00:29:51,389
that modified citrus pectin

527
00:29:51,689 --> 00:29:56,094
reduces the metastatic properties
of prostate cancer cells.

528
00:29:56,094 --> 00:29:57,962
I'm quoting.

529
00:29:57,962 --> 00:30:00,465
These findings provide modified

530
00:30:00,465 --> 00:30:05,236
citrus pectin
as a radio sensitizing agent to enhance

531
00:30:05,603 --> 00:30:11,643
radiation cytotoxicity or cell killing
ability, overcoming resistance

532
00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:17,916
to radiation therapy, and can reduce
the clinical radiation dose.

533
00:30:17,916 --> 00:30:23,321
That was a paper by, Doctor
Conti in 2018.

534
00:30:23,588 --> 00:30:26,991
So it kind of slipped, another paper
that kind of slipped through the cracks

535
00:30:26,991 --> 00:30:31,863
because I'd say, most, a great
majority of oncologists have never heard

536
00:30:32,197 --> 00:30:37,235
of modified citrus pectin, much less read
this rather esoteric paper that,

537
00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:40,705
you know, when I say paper,
I mean scientific Journal article.

538
00:30:41,206 --> 00:30:42,507
Yeah, yeah.

539
00:30:43,775 --> 00:30:46,277
So there is a substance in the body.

540
00:30:46,277 --> 00:30:50,381
I admit that I had never heard of it
before I started reading, you know,

541
00:30:50,381 --> 00:30:54,152
these papers and talking to Doctor Eliaz,
and it's called Galectin-3.

542
00:30:54,152 --> 00:30:57,622
Galectin like lectin, like the word

543
00:30:57,622 --> 00:31:01,426
lectin with the G
A in front of it and hyphen number three.

544
00:31:01,726 --> 00:31:04,562
And this is a very interesting substance.

545
00:31:04,562 --> 00:31:06,731
It occurs naturally in the body.

546
00:31:06,731 --> 00:31:09,801
It has beneficial effects at a low level,

547
00:31:10,034 --> 00:31:12,871
but at a higher level, it's

548
00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:15,373
associated with inflammation.

549
00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:18,376
And cancer cells
rely on it in numerous ways.

550
00:31:18,743 --> 00:31:21,546
We're looking at it in a holistic way

551
00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:24,549
as something that would fight against,

552
00:31:24,582 --> 00:31:27,886
cancer cells
and specifically prostate cancer cells

553
00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:31,322
wherever they're found in the body,
because it's getting into the bloodstream

554
00:31:31,656 --> 00:31:37,729
and it's going to, you know
gonna counteract Galectin-3 and thereby

555
00:31:38,830 --> 00:31:39,931
lower down the temperature,

556
00:31:39,931 --> 00:31:44,702
if you will, of around the cancer,
the microenvironment of the cancer.

557
00:31:45,003 --> 00:31:48,539
And so, I would say that its potential

558
00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:53,311
is across the board
certainly in terms of prostate cancer.

559
00:31:53,311 --> 00:31:58,149
But there's also some cell line research
that's, you know, cultured cells,

560
00:31:58,149 --> 00:32:02,053
cancer cells in other kinds of cancer,
including breast cancer.

561
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,755
So it isn't.

562
00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:08,326
It went off in the direction
of prostate cancer because Kenneth Pienta

563
00:32:09,527 --> 00:32:11,930
and many of these other people
who worked on

564
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,933
this were urologists
and they took an interest in it.

565
00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:17,936
So that's what happens in science
sometimes

566
00:32:18,303 --> 00:32:22,106
you get a reputation
for being effective in one kind of cancer.

567
00:32:22,106 --> 00:32:25,944
But then it turns out later
on when you prove your success

568
00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:30,315
in one kind, other people interested
in other kinds of cancer pick it up.

569
00:32:30,481 --> 00:32:36,621
So I think ultimately, this will
prove of value in other kinds of cancer.

570
00:32:36,854 --> 00:32:40,124
But in this case, this study about radio

571
00:32:40,124 --> 00:32:43,528
sensitizer and prostate
cancer is not a clinical trial.

572
00:32:43,962 --> 00:32:44,462
Okay.

573
00:32:44,462 --> 00:32:48,399
The clinical trial data is
what I've presented so far.

574
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:49,801
Right.

575
00:32:49,801 --> 00:32:53,338
And that should be the strongest type
of evidence that we look

576
00:32:53,338 --> 00:32:57,075
for with any kind of a substance, food
or otherwise,

577
00:32:57,075 --> 00:33:00,778
in terms of showing a good effect
or a negative effect.

578
00:33:01,579 --> 00:33:03,414
Right. Against cancer.

579
00:33:03,414 --> 00:33:04,716
We can't make a claim

580
00:33:05,717 --> 00:33:07,552
about any

581
00:33:07,552 --> 00:33:11,823
any treatment that's only based upon
laboratory research.

582
00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:16,160
No, but I mean, you know, we're
talking about things that people can do.

583
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,563
We’re
talking about the self-help realm. Right.

584
00:33:18,563 --> 00:33:23,434
And we just recently released
another podcast, about pomegranate,

585
00:33:23,801 --> 00:33:26,738
where it also showed some effect

586
00:33:26,738 --> 00:33:30,008
on the PSADT, among other things.

587
00:33:30,141 --> 00:33:34,412
And so, I mean,
if you can get some pomegranate powder,

588
00:33:34,412 --> 00:33:38,383
put it in a smoothie and add a couple
of tablespoons of citrus pectin,

589
00:33:38,716 --> 00:33:41,886
I mean, I guess my attitude is, you know,
what Is it hurting?

590
00:33:42,987 --> 00:33:46,157
I mean, it costs a little bit,
but it's nothing compared to what

591
00:33:46,457 --> 00:33:50,928
it would take to deal with a recurrence
or having something

592
00:33:51,195 --> 00:33:55,633
being, you know, unaddressed in the body
that you're trying to push back on.

593
00:33:55,767 --> 00:33:56,000
Right.

594
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,671
And here are these nontoxic, natural ways
to help to push back against it.

595
00:34:00,671 --> 00:34:03,808
And there are clinical trials
to show good effect.

596
00:34:03,808 --> 00:34:05,910
So I think that's great. Right.

597
00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:11,983
And you know, this is something
that will not raise your blood sugar.

598
00:34:12,183 --> 00:34:17,121
It will not interfere
even theoretically with other treatments.

599
00:34:17,789 --> 00:34:21,492
So it seems like there's little reason
for a person

600
00:34:21,492 --> 00:34:23,561
not to seriously consider doing this.

601
00:34:23,561 --> 00:34:24,896
Of course.

602
00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:27,765
Needless to say,
one should talk to one's doctors

603
00:34:27,765 --> 00:34:31,502
before you start any any other,
you know, treatment because

604
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:34,205
some,
there are some complementary treatments

605
00:34:34,205 --> 00:34:37,408
that might interfere
or they may fear that it would.

606
00:34:37,642 --> 00:34:43,114
But in this case, I think not only is
there no evidence that it interferes with

607
00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:44,816
radiation

608
00:34:44,816 --> 00:34:51,122
therapy, but there is a very good paper
that makes a very strong case that this is

609
00:34:51,122 --> 00:34:55,860
probably another area of research
that could be gone into very profitably

610
00:34:56,828 --> 00:35:02,600
which to combine this now with radiation
and then see what the effects are.

611
00:35:02,633 --> 00:35:06,504
My biggest issue,
I would say, practically speaking,

612
00:35:06,504 --> 00:35:09,841
is how to find the time to do it.

613
00:35:09,841 --> 00:35:12,844
By which I mean that

614
00:35:12,877 --> 00:35:16,114
you don't,
you can't really do this with your meal.

615
00:35:16,781 --> 00:35:17,582
Right.

616
00:35:17,582 --> 00:35:21,986
So and you want to take three scoops.

617
00:35:21,986 --> 00:35:27,258
A scoop is, I measured it the other day
and it's like one heaping teaspoon.

618
00:35:27,825 --> 00:35:31,729
This comes, it comes with its own
little little scooper here.

619
00:35:32,163 --> 00:35:34,332
Super scooper. Here we go.

620
00:35:34,332 --> 00:35:35,967
Oh yeah. Yeah.

621
00:35:35,967 --> 00:35:39,504
So that's not too much
of an inconvenience.

622
00:35:39,504 --> 00:35:40,638
No, it's not.

623
00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:43,407
Put a little timer on
or remember to add it to your tea.

624
00:35:43,407 --> 00:35:47,044
If you're especially
as we strongly encourage

625
00:35:47,044 --> 00:35:50,148
everyone who's trying to do things
for themselves

626
00:35:50,481 --> 00:35:55,653
to get the green tea in the diet,
to get those EGCg compounds

627
00:35:55,653 --> 00:36:00,358
and other things that it contains
to make the tea the routine.

628
00:36:00,825 --> 00:36:04,795
And then you've got your things
that you can add to that in order to help

629
00:36:04,795 --> 00:36:06,731
sort of bring out the properties

630
00:36:06,731 --> 00:36:09,734
that you're looking for
in these natural substances.

631
00:36:09,901 --> 00:36:10,101
Right.

632
00:36:10,101 --> 00:36:13,337
And, dare I give a shameless plug
for our own product,

633
00:36:13,337 --> 00:36:16,641
the Mycolife Moss Method Mushroom Formula,

634
00:36:17,275 --> 00:36:21,512
which is also something that can be added
to the tea or the coffee.

635
00:36:21,512 --> 00:36:24,182
Absolutely. As part of the daily routine.

636
00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:24,815
Right.

637
00:36:24,815 --> 00:36:27,752
It's relevant here in this case
because we're talking about things you

638
00:36:27,752 --> 00:36:28,920
can add to a tea.

639
00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:30,555
And I also

640
00:36:30,555 --> 00:36:34,192
I'm a great believer in synergy.

641
00:36:34,225 --> 00:36:37,228
We've talked about,
it comes up in almost all of our podcasts.

642
00:36:37,662 --> 00:36:41,132
And that would be like so many instances

643
00:36:41,132 --> 00:36:45,303
when it's, when they look
for a greater than additive effect,

644
00:36:45,303 --> 00:36:48,539
they usually find it
if you combine different elements.

645
00:36:48,806 --> 00:36:52,877
Especially when you've got things
that are working on different mechanisms,

646
00:36:53,144 --> 00:36:54,512
different levels.

647
00:36:54,512 --> 00:36:57,748
So you've got you've got the, immune, the

648
00:36:58,382 --> 00:37:01,919
Mycolife mushrooms
working at the level of the immune system.

649
00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:05,756
And then you've got the MCP
modified citrus pectin

650
00:37:05,756 --> 00:37:09,126
working at the
the level of the Galectin-3.

651
00:37:09,594 --> 00:37:13,698
And then you've got the green tea
which is EGCG.

652
00:37:15,366 --> 00:37:18,269
Working at the level of the,
the polyphenols

653
00:37:18,269 --> 00:37:20,004
and all the things that they do.

654
00:37:20,004 --> 00:37:25,042
So, you're not just multiplying

655
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:29,747
in terms of the anti-cancer, you're
triangulating against the cancer cell.

656
00:37:29,981 --> 00:37:33,618
You're coming at that cancer cell
from a number

657
00:37:33,618 --> 00:37:36,621
of different vulnerabilities that it has.

658
00:37:36,954 --> 00:37:39,824
And you can also add in
if you're taking it with coffee,

659
00:37:39,824 --> 00:37:42,526
then you've got the polyphenols
from the coffee. Right.

660
00:37:42,526 --> 00:37:46,831
And you've also got what we recommend
to many people to add

661
00:37:46,831 --> 00:37:51,035
in to the coffee, the,
the roasted chicory,

662
00:37:51,035 --> 00:37:54,872
which adds in the soluble fiber
which feeds in the microbiome.

663
00:37:54,872 --> 00:37:56,374
So really, you're right.

664
00:37:56,374 --> 00:38:00,077
I mean, there's there's a multi-pronged
approach, I guess you'd call it holistic

665
00:38:00,544 --> 00:38:05,082
in that you're really angling it
at a lot of different systems of the body.

666
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:07,151
Certainly.

667
00:38:07,151 --> 00:38:11,222
And it's scientific
because we're looking for and often

668
00:38:11,222 --> 00:38:14,191
finding what the actual chemical

669
00:38:14,225 --> 00:38:17,461
basis is for the activity.

670
00:38:17,762 --> 00:38:21,098
It's not just like
oh it makes me feel better or

671
00:38:21,499 --> 00:38:25,403
I have a better psychological outlook
which I do.

672
00:38:25,936 --> 00:38:28,706
But you know, that's not the main effect.

673
00:38:28,706 --> 00:38:34,712
The main effect is that you know
that there is a credible rationale

674
00:38:35,346 --> 00:38:36,580
for doing it.

675
00:38:36,580 --> 00:38:40,117
And, you know, and that doesn't mean,
of course, doesn't mean

676
00:38:40,117 --> 00:38:44,722
excluding the more conventional therapies,
which, do a lot of the heavy

677
00:38:44,722 --> 00:38:48,092
lifting in anybody's,
struggle against cancer.

678
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:51,329
But it's something that could be added in,

679
00:38:51,929 --> 00:38:55,132
with no, with no evidence of it
being harmful.

680
00:38:55,132 --> 00:38:58,135
And a lot of evidence of it
being beneficial.

681
00:38:58,302 --> 00:38:59,437
Right.

682
00:38:59,437 --> 00:39:02,540
I'm sure those men who participated in
the study were grateful to get it.

683
00:39:03,407 --> 00:39:04,308
I'm sure they were.

684
00:39:05,643 --> 00:39:07,478
Some of them, some of them, as you know,

685
00:39:07,478 --> 00:39:13,351
they said that 7 or 9 I think 7
or 8 of them dropped out of the study.

686
00:39:13,984 --> 00:39:17,988
Because it was too,
The travel time was too much.

687
00:39:18,289 --> 00:39:22,226
It got to be, it was quite congested areas

688
00:39:22,226 --> 00:39:25,763
where they live in and, and traffic jams
and so forth.

689
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:30,301
So they just bought it on their own
because it isn't that expensive.

690
00:39:30,301 --> 00:39:33,270
I mean, when your life is at stake,
it certainly isn't.

691
00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:36,874
But they believed in it
enough to want to go ahead and do it,

692
00:39:37,475 --> 00:39:41,078
which is going to be a problem
when they get to actually do

693
00:39:41,078 --> 00:39:44,782
randomized trials, because that's
what happens with randomized trials,

694
00:39:44,815 --> 00:39:47,318
as we talked about before. Right.

695
00:39:47,318 --> 00:39:48,786
People tend to take it even if they

696
00:39:48,786 --> 00:39:50,721
because they don't
want to end up in the placebo group.

697
00:39:50,721 --> 00:39:51,822
They want the stuff.

698
00:39:51,822 --> 00:39:53,157
Exactly, exactly.

699
00:39:53,157 --> 00:39:56,994
There it is again,
they kind of screw up the study.

700
00:39:57,261 --> 00:39:59,897
In the
in the guise of trying to help themselves.

701
00:39:59,897 --> 00:40:01,298
But that's human nature.

702
00:40:01,298 --> 00:40:02,566
You can't blame people for that.

703
00:40:02,566 --> 00:40:05,136
Certainly not. Right.

704
00:40:05,136 --> 00:40:06,070
All right.

705
00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:09,373
Is there anything else about modified
citrus pectin that you have to share

706
00:40:09,373 --> 00:40:12,243
with us, or any other comments
you'd like to make? Well,

707
00:40:13,477 --> 00:40:16,013
dare I say that we are not in any way

708
00:40:16,013 --> 00:40:20,351
connected to the to to the company
or the people making this.

709
00:40:20,351 --> 00:40:23,053
I say that because...

710
00:40:23,053 --> 00:40:23,154
Well, that’s not entirely true.

711
00:40:23,154 --> 00:40:26,023
I will tell you, knowing that
this topic was coming up, Oh, okay.

712
00:40:26,023 --> 00:40:29,026
I actually reached out to the company
to get an affiliate link

713
00:40:29,026 --> 00:40:32,029
because sometimes,
you know, videos go viral and it can

714
00:40:32,163 --> 00:40:36,267
it can benefit us in the channel
to get a few dollars, but certainly not

715
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,038
our point of trying to promote this,
in any way, shape or form.

716
00:40:41,038 --> 00:40:43,073
So no, we don't own any stock.

717
00:40:43,073 --> 00:40:44,909
Right. You know, or anything like that.

718
00:40:44,909 --> 00:40:46,777
But full transparency.

719
00:40:46,777 --> 00:40:50,014
We do have an affiliate link
in the description,

720
00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:52,082
but if you prefer to go directly there

721
00:40:52,082 --> 00:40:55,319
to get it yourself without clicking
that link, that's fine too.

722
00:40:55,319 --> 00:40:56,687
It's if you feel like you'd

723
00:40:56,687 --> 00:41:00,124
like to get some based on this research,
then more power to you.

724
00:41:00,458 --> 00:41:01,358
Right.

725
00:41:01,358 --> 00:41:02,526
And everybody does that.

726
00:41:02,526 --> 00:41:06,464
Like New York Times has the exact
same connection to their things now.

727
00:41:06,497 --> 00:41:07,665
But you like, you know.

728
00:41:07,665 --> 00:41:10,668
Our reputation is unbiased

729
00:41:10,768 --> 00:41:14,271
and it's important for us to maintain
that unbiased reputation.

730
00:41:14,638 --> 00:41:17,374
So that's why I mentioned,
you know, in full transparency.

731
00:41:17,374 --> 00:41:18,442
Yeah, that's good.

732
00:41:18,442 --> 00:41:20,644
Where affiliate links exist. Right.

733
00:41:20,644 --> 00:41:25,749
But I feel confident
that my and your enthusiasm

734
00:41:25,749 --> 00:41:29,487
for this substance is nothing to do
with the financial side of it.

735
00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:31,422
It's, it's exciting.

736
00:41:31,422 --> 00:41:33,324
It's something very...

737
00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:35,860
It's, since we always have being thrown

738
00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:39,997
in our faces that you know,
where are your clinical trials?

739
00:41:40,498 --> 00:41:41,832
Well, here's an example.

740
00:41:41,832 --> 00:41:43,667
Here's our clinical trial.

741
00:41:43,667 --> 00:41:44,702
Right. Right?

742
00:41:44,702 --> 00:41:48,038
Yep.
And now it's been out, almost two years.

743
00:41:48,038 --> 00:41:51,775
And literally Nutraceutical Weekly

744
00:41:52,042 --> 00:41:56,947
was the only publication that picked it up
and actually wrote about it.

745
00:41:56,947 --> 00:42:00,217
So sometimes you can,
even when you get the clinical.

746
00:42:00,217 --> 00:42:02,753
Trial, doesn't mean that automatically

747
00:42:02,753 --> 00:42:06,590
it's going to going to be successful
in terms of the the world,

748
00:42:06,590 --> 00:42:10,094
but it can be successful
in terms of the individual.

749
00:42:10,895 --> 00:42:15,332
Well, I think what we might want to do
is put a link in the description

750
00:42:15,332 --> 00:42:18,369
to, well, the name of the

751
00:42:19,203 --> 00:42:22,139
I forget what the name of it is now,
but it used to be called the Board

752
00:42:22,139 --> 00:42:23,207
of Alternative Medicine

753
00:42:23,207 --> 00:42:26,277
at the National Institutes of Health,
which you put in a decade of service

754
00:42:26,644 --> 00:42:30,447
with, to maybe encourage them
to to pick this one up

755
00:42:30,447 --> 00:42:34,251
and do a little bit of funding towards
a little deeper research.

756
00:42:34,451 --> 00:42:37,454
I'd love to see more resources

757
00:42:37,521 --> 00:42:41,492
that are being put into cancer
research in particular.

758
00:42:41,525 --> 00:42:44,261
Yeah, directed
towards these natural substances.

759
00:42:44,261 --> 00:42:48,032
And certainly their budget has increased
since your days of being there.

760
00:42:48,332 --> 00:42:51,201
And maybe they would choose
to do something like this.

761
00:42:51,201 --> 00:42:52,503
Well, maybe, you know.

762
00:42:52,503 --> 00:42:53,871
The National Center

763
00:42:53,871 --> 00:42:57,241
for Complementary and Integrative Health,
I think is what you're, referring to.

764
00:42:57,308 --> 00:42:58,842
That's why nobody remembers it.

765
00:42:58,842 --> 00:43:01,312
No, it's a mouthful.

766
00:43:01,312 --> 00:43:02,980
I like the Office of Alternative Medicine.

767
00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:05,983
Yeah. It was a lot catchier,
I'll tell you.

768
00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:07,384
All right.

769
00:43:07,384 --> 00:43:07,818
All right.

770
00:43:07,818 --> 00:43:11,355
Well, thanks for looking into that
research, for sharing it with us.

771
00:43:11,922 --> 00:43:13,857
Happy birthday again. Thank you.

772
00:43:13,857 --> 00:43:17,761
You know, all of your fans out there
are in your corner and supporting you.

773
00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:19,930
And I know we're going
to get a lot of nice birthday wishes.

774
00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:22,733
I hope you'll be looking
at those comments. I always do.

775
00:43:22,733 --> 00:43:27,338
But the most important comment is from me,
your biggest fan.

776
00:43:27,504 --> 00:43:29,173
Oh thank you Ben.

777
00:43:29,173 --> 00:43:33,344
Okay, so for now for The Moss Report, I'm
Ben Moss.

778
00:43:33,944 --> 00:43:35,179
How are you healing today?