Mega Edition: Michael Proctor And The Karen Read Investigation (9/26/26)

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What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. This
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Karen Reid trial is one of the biggest circuses I've
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ever seen. And the fact that this trooper had the
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audacity to be this unprofessional while conducting the investigation is
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just straight up ridiculous. And honestly, it just goes to
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the heart of the whole entire issue that I have
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with what went down. And that's that the Canton Police Department, obviously,
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littered with liars and drunks. And to be clear, I
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don't think that there is some big conspiracy here after,
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you know, John O'Keefe was killed in that house. But
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I do believe that the investigation was piss poor. And
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I believe that based on the investigation and the evidence
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provided so far in court, that there is no way
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that they're going to get the jury to come to
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a unanimous verdict, especially considering the text messages that were
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sent by Trooper Proctor. So let's get to this article
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from the New York Post and let's see what's going on.
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Karen Reed investigator forced to read unprofessional and regrettable text
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during the murder trial. This article was authored by Isabel Keene.
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The Massachusetts state trooper leading the investigation into the death
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of Karen Reed's boyfriend read aloud disparaging text he wrote
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calling the suspect a whack job cunt and retarded at
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her murder trial Monday and admitted to making fun of
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her Crohn's disease and sending other regrettable jokes. Now let
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that sink in for a minute. I don't care where
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you fall when it comes to Karen Reid being innocent
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or guilty. This behavior right here is unacceptable no matter
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how you chop it. And it doesn't matter who was
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on trial, by the way. If this dude was the
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investigator investigating Rex Uerman or Ghislaine Maxwell, I'd be saying
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the same shit. It's not too much to ask for
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a lead investigator especially to have some tact and, you know,
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act professional. Not asking for a lot here. And obviously
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for Trooper Proctor, that was too much. And if you
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want to talk about blowing things up in your own face,
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this is how you do it. In messages sent to
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his childhood friends, Lieutenant Michael Proctor referred to Reed as
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a babe with no ass and joked about searching through
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her phone for nudes during his investigation into the death
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of her Boston cop boyfriend, John O'Keefe, whom she allegedly
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mowed down with her car and left for dead. And
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keep in mind that Trooper Proctor is obviously a law
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enforcement official, and he's over here joking around after a
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cop was just killed? Yeah, that's real professional. You're a
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hell of a guy there, Trooper Proctor. I don't have
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an explanation other than they're regrettable, and it's something I'm
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not proud of. The language that I used, Proctor said
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of his texts on Monday, according to Boston.com. Yo, imagine
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this was you and somebody was sending these kinds of texts.
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And at the same time, they have the power over
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you to send you to jail. I mean, that's pretty terrifying.
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And is it too much to ask for there to
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be a little bit of responsibility and for the investigators
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to conduct themselves in a professional and responsible way? I mean,
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I think that's all anybody's asking here. And this just
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adds to the optics that we all have seen throughout
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this whole thing about how piss poor the investigation has been.
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From the actual collection of evidence to this nonsense. In
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one set of texts, Proctor wrote, she waffled him. I
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looked at his body in the hospital. He was banged up.
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In another message, he added, she hit him with her car.
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So he's just out here, Judge and Jerry? Not only
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do you investigate, you're the one who... Passes the decision.
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So what you're telling me is that Trooper Proctor's bitch
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ass is the arbiter of truth? Sounds legit. In response,
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one of his friends asked, she hot at least? To
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which Proctor replied, she's a whack job cunt. Yeah, she's
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a babe. Weird Fall River accent though. No ass. Is
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this dude really talking about somebody else's accent? Go pock
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my car, lame ass Red Sox fan. Other messages reveal
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a proctor making light of Reed's Crohn's disease, writing, She's
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got a leaky balloon knot. Leaks poo. Oh man, this
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guy's an absolute tool. A real unit. And you know
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what's crazy? Old boy's married. How do you think his
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wife feels about these text messages? Imagine dude shows up
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at his house, and his badge and all his shit's
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out on the lawn waiting for him. If I was
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his wife and I heard this shit at 8, I'm
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divorcing him at 9. And talking about Karen Reed's medical conditions,
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that could be a HIPAA violation, no? I would think
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that Trooper Proctor has stepped in it here, and he's
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gonna feel some sort of blowback. While under questioning, Proctor
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acknowledged that his messages were unprofessional, but also argued these juvenile,
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unprofessional comments have zero impact on the facts and the
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evidence and the integrity of this investigation. Well, I disagree
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with that. If I was a juror, I'd be looking
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at Proctor almost like Mark Furman. Maybe not to that level,
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but somebody that's not trustworthy? somebody that's out here screwing
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around on the job. And if he can't be professional
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when he's texting, what makes me think that he's professional
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when he's conducting the investigation? I'm the kind of motherfucker
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that when you show me who you are, I believe you, right?
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When you tell me who you are, I'm listening. And
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Proctor has told us that he's an absolute clown who
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has no business being a police officer. Proctor also confirmed
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that he texted his wife on June 9th, 2022, the
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day Reed was indicted and arrested in O'Keefe's death, that
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he was waiting to lock this whack job up. Now,
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what makes her a whack job? And why are you
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calling her that? Can't you just say, hey, babe, look,
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I'm at work. I got some business to take care of.
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We had an incident today. Another officer was killed and
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we're trying to figure everything out. But no, you have
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to be a wise guy, like you're some kind of
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sarcastic smartass. Meanwhile, one of your brothers in blue is
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laying dead, and a woman is now being charged with murder.
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So I'm glad that you have time for jokes, stupid.
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When asked why he made those comments, Proctor rattled off
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evidence in the case, telling the courtroom based on Mr.
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O'Keefe's injuries, Ms. Reed's statements, when Sergeant Buchanick and I
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interviewed her, her broken taillight, some taillight pieces found at
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the scene, the compelling evidence pointing directly at Ms. Reed,
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That she struck John O'Keefe with her vehicle led me
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to make those comments. That's crazy. I have friends who
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are police officers, who are detectives, and they would never,
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ever say anything like this, especially over text message, maybe
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out in person or whatever, you know, at the bar
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after the investigation's completed. Hey, Bobby, check this out. I
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had this crazy person. Okay, I get that. But in
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the middle of a case, you just arrested somebody. You
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don't have all the details, all the evidence, and she's
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a whack job. I mean, come on, man. And just
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to reiterate, I'm not one of these people that's going
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to sit here and say, oh, Karen Reid's innocent, freer.
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I don't know. But what I do know is that
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this whole entire investigation is tainted and the investigation has
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been garbage from Jump Street. And every single citizen in
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this country deserves a fair shake in front of a judge.
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And they don't deserve a stacked deck, right? Where people
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are out here shitting on your name, acting like you're
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a crazy person, spreading rumors about you. None of that's good.
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especially when it's coming from the lead investigator in the case.
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That's the kind of shit that leads to juror nullification.
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And I'll tell you what, I would not be shocked
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to see some juror nullification when all is said and
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done here. Here's an idea, pal. Collect the evidence and
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shut your stupid mouth. Proctor continued, like I said, they
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were not professional comments, but based on the day's investigation,
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it was clear that Ms. Reed had struck Mr. O'Keefe
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with her vehicle. What do you mean it was clear?
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That's not your job to decide that. Your job is
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to investigate, provide the facts, provide the evidence, and that's
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where it ends. But no, Mr. Proctor over here... This dumb,
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stupid moron thought it would be a good idea to
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stick himself right in the middle of all this with
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all of this BS nonsense, all these text messages, and
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all of these out-of-pocket comments. So for all the people
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out there that are going batshit crazy, you know, talking
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about justice for John O'Keefe, you should be mad at
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this dude. 1,000%. Proctor read more text messages from a
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group chat where a fellow trooper sent a photo of
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one of Reed's lawyers, David Dianetti, on August 17th, 2022. Funny,
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I'm going through his retarded client's phone. No nude so far,
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Proctor said he wrote. I hate that man. I truly
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hate him. Well, good. You should hate the lawyer that's
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going up against you. I don't want a lawyer that
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the prosecution's not going to hate. I want a lawyer
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that's going to come in there and go absolutely better
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call Saul on the prosecution. Guess what? The gloves are
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off inside the courtroom. All these people crying about Yannetti
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and Jackson. Guess what? If the court wanted to sanction them,
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the court would have sanctioned them. Have they been sanctioned?
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They haven't, so they might be towing the line, but
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they're doing everything in their power to try and get
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their client off. Breaking news, that's their job. He confirmed
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that Reed was the client in question and said he
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does not look through suspects' phones for nude photos and
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claimed that he can still be an objective investigator despite
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the poor joke that he made. I believe poor jokes
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and unprofessional language have no bearing on the integrity in
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the facts and physical evidence of this case, Proctor asserted. Well,
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here's the thing. How do we know they're jokes? Because
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you're telling us? You don't have any credibility, sir. So
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you could tell me until you're blue in the face,
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or until that dome piece of yours turns beet red.
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But the answer's going to be, I don't believe you.
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And that's your own fault. Nobody else's fault, not Karen Reid's,
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not Alan Jackson's, not David Dianetti's. It is Trooper Proctor's
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fault that nobody believes him. And as bad as I
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think things have been going for the prosecution, they have
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gotten a whole lot worse, folks. This dude reading those comments?
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Live in court like that? Did you see the reaction
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from some of the jurors? Reed's lawyers then suggested that
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a proctor had made up his mind about Reed's guilt
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before investigating the case. 1000%, that's what the text messages
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tell us. And it's not going to be good for
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the prosecution. I'm telling you right now, the jurors. is
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paying attention. In other words, Trooper Proctor, you don't get
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to pick a suspect and then try to find evidence
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to support your choice, right? He asked. Correct, Proctor replied.
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But in this case, that's exactly what you did, isn't it?
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Jackson pressed. Absolutely not, Proctor said. Reed, 44, who is
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facing second-degree murder charges, has maintained her innocence. Her defense
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attorneys say that Proctor's texts support their claim that she's
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the scapegoat in a conspiracy involving various branches of mass
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law enforcement. The trial is set to resume Wednesday morning,
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with Proctor still under cross-examination. Well, I don't know if
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it proves that. In fact, I don't think it proves that.
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What it does prove, in my opinion, is that Trooper
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Proctor is not somebody that should be believed, and that
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his whole entire testimony should probably be thrown out. and
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any work that he did on this case should be
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looked at sideways. And I can almost guarantee you that
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when this is all said and done, and we hear
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from the jurors, they're going to point back to Trooper
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Proctor's testimony and how large it loomed during deliberations and
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when they rendered a verdict. Because this is the kind
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of shit that makes juries absolutely crazy. So Trooper Proctor
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is back on the stand today, so I expect some
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more fireworks on the stand. So I'm interested to watch
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the back and forth between Proctor... and between Karen Reed's team,
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and I'm curious to see just how big of a
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pile of shit Mr. Proctor steps in today. All right, folks,
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that's going to do it for this one. All of
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the information that goes with this episode can be found
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in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
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to the program. During our five years together, we have
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witnessed all kinds of wacky, crazy-ass cases. But when we're
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talking about a bunch of knuckleheads... being involved in a case,
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or inserting themselves into a case, I don't think we
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could find one that is more chock full of stupidity
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than the Karen Reid trial. I don't think I've ever
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seen anything like it, honestly, and that's really why I
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haven't been talking about it lately, because there's too much
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of a circus surrounding what's going on. You have people
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on either side of the argument cheering like it's some
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sort of sporting event, And these moronic content creators, thinking
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that they're part of the story, inserting themselves as main characters,
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really turns me off. And there's just a whole bunch
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of stupidity surrounding what's going on. And it seems like
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the levels of stupid get amped up each and every day. Meanwhile,
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in the background, we have a trial going on, and
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we're trying to figure out what happened to John O'Keefe.
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And to somebody who came into this cold, I don't
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think that the Commonwealth made their case, folks. I don't
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think there was enough there there. And considering the scattershot
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nature of this investigation, I don't know how anyone who
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comes in cold could look at it and say, ah,
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you know what? I'm comfortable with what went down. I
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think that the investigation was on point, and I think
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that the investigators knew exactly what they were doing. I
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don't think anybody out there thinks that or is going
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to say that. Nobody who's impartial. Now, I've seen people
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that are, I guess you would say, cheering for the commonwealth,
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talk a bunch of nonsense throughout this trial. Like, are
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you really going to try and gaslight people who are
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listening to you? People who are watching your program? That
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there's a bunch of evidence here that slams home the
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case and proves that Karen Reid hit John O'Keefe beyond
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a reasonable doubt? Because I haven't seen anything that even
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comes close to raising to that level. And now that
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the Commonwealth has ended their case, they've finished their argument.
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I don't know how anyone could think that that was
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sufficient to put somebody in jail for murder. Now look,
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maybe if they would have charged her with, like, vehicular
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homicide or something like that, manslaughter or something like that, maybe.
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But they overcharged her, the evidence is garbage, and as
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we're about to find out in this article, this Trooper
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Proctor dude really screwed everything up. Today's article is from 10Boston,
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and the headline... Proctor's conduct in Karen Reed case may
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betray his training. Exclusive documents show may betray his training.
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I don't think that there's any police officer in the
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land who would think this is a good idea unless
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you're an absolute buffoon who's gotten away with a bunch
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of bullshit before and it's looking like Mr. Proctor might
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be that kind of guy. This article was authored by
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Kathy Curran. Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor was the
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lead investigator in the high-profile Karen Reed murder trial and
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has been in the spotlight for his conduct and handling
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of the high-profile case. Now look, bro, you're not only
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investigating a murder, you're investigating the murder of a fallen
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police officer, one of your brothers in blue. Don't you
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think you're going to go the extra mile? Don't you
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think you're going to collect evidence at the scene the
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right way? Why are you using a blower? Oh, well,
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there was a lot of snow. I don't want to
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hear that shit. Get out there on your hands and
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knees and dig through that snow. Why are you using
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a stop and shop or whatever bag to put evidence in?
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You fools don't have anything to store evidence in so
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it won't get contaminated? Is that what you'd really have
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me believe? Maybe a few less trips to the bar
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and a few more trips to training classes. The conduct
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revealed during Proctor's testimony in the trial is another stain
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on the Mass State Police and there could be serious
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implications for Proctor himself. Proctor took an oath back in 2014,
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and now, 10 years later, experts say his actions, and
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admissions in this case, may have betrayed the badge. May have? Look,
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I'm not somebody who's out here thinking that everybody's perfect, right?
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And people make mistakes all the time. But the text
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messages that this dude was sending, in the middle of
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this investigation? Now, again, I get it, dudes. We talk
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some wild shit, there's no doubt about it. And we
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say some crazy shit to each other. Stuff most of
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us would probably never say in public, right? But this
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is different. You're a police officer. This is somebody you're investigating.
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Have some integrity. Don't you realize that at some point
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your text messages might be subpoenaed as part of the
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overall investigation? But here he is out here talking this nonsense.
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And I'll tell you what. all those people that are,
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you know, F Karen Reed, this, that, the other thing,
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would you feel the same way if it was your mother,
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or you on trial, and you had the lead investigator
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talking like this? I find it to be crass, and
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if I was in charge of what's going on for
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the state police, I'd be getting rid of Mr. Proctor.
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When Proctor took the witness stand, he read some of
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the vulgar text he sent from his private cell phone
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to family, friends, and fellow troopers about Karen Reed, the
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woman accused of killing her boyfriend, Boston Police Officer John O'Keefe.
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Reed's defense has maintained that she is being framed as
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part of a large-scale cover-up and has pointed to Proctor
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as a key factor. Proctor was a member of the Mass.
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SP's 81st Recruitment Training Troop graduating in 2014. State police
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records obtained by NBC10' s Boston investigators show that he completed
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thousands of hours of training throughout the years including skills
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like smartphone forensics, fair and impartial policing, investigative techniques, and
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crime scene. Since joining the District Attorney's Detective Unit in 2019,
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Proctor has completed additional training on digital cell phone records
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and homicide investigations. They better up that training because bro
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obviously needs it. This is not a good police officer.
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This is not a good representation of those who wear
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the badge. This is exactly the kind of person that
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shouldn't have a badge. This man right here should not
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be in charge of who's going to jail and who's
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not going to jail. And obviously, he can't be relied
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upon to lead an investigation. A, this investigation was shitty. B,
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he's involved in all kinds of misconduct. So what do
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you do? Do you reduce him down to a desk job?
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Probably what's going to happen considering the union. But if
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I had my way, this man would be fired. Just
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like you would be fired from your job if you sucked.
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If I got on here every day and talked a
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bunch of nonsense that nobody cared about, well, nobody would
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tune in, right? And then I'd have to go find
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a job like everybody else. Well, Mr. Proctor, you're on
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the fucking clock, clown. And is there anything more disruptive
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and more destructive to an investigation than a police officer
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who's an absolute clown? Boston defense attorney Doug Luzon has
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represented law enforcement in criminal and civil cases across the
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state for decades. When asked about Proctor's controversial texts, Luzon
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told us he thought any rational person, trained or not,
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would know that sending those texts were inappropriate behavior. Yeah,
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you don't have to be a fully trained police officer
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to know that that's not good. If you're a middle
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manager at McDonald's and you sent these kinds of text messages...
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about anybody, and the company found out, do you think
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you'd keep your job, or do you think your ass
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would get fired? But much like these moronic professors that
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we see at these universities, hanging out with these little terrorists,
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a lot of these police officers, they're protected by the union.
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And the union will go the extra mile, no matter what,
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to protect their brothers in blue. And inevitably what it
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does is it makes people not trust the unions, makes
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people not like the police officers because it feels like
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they're being covered for. And unfortunately, the ban plays on.
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And when you have the optics that we have here,
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it's not good. This man should have been fired yesterday.
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The fact that he was... the lead investigator and felt
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so unrestrained in his language shows a stunning lack of
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judgment and it shows a lack of supervision the lack
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of someone jumping in and saying this is inappropriate and
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that trickles back to the first night he showed up
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on that scene As soon as he became aware of
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who was involved as witnesses, he should have stepped back
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and said, look, I can't take this case, Lusson said.
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And well, you'd have to have some integrity to do that, right?
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But instead, Proctor had to be the big man, and
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now we all find ourselves taking a bite of this
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shit sandwich. Testimony has also shown that Proctor was familiar
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with some of the key witnesses in the case. Several
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investigations have been launched into the handling of the Reed case.
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Multiple sources tell us an ongoing federal investigation opens the
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door to Proctor's personal texts. They also tell us the
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state's Peace Office Standards and Training Commission, which certifies police officers,
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is monitoring the case, and an internal investigation by state
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police is underway. Well, hallelujah. This man has done an
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incredible amount of damage, honestly. This is horrible. And if
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you had the goods on Karen Reed, and you had
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her dead to rights, then just prosecute the case. There's
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no need for all the bullshit. But when you see
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all this bullshit pop up, and then there's a bunch
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of questions about the process, then people are definitely not
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going to be on board and just say, oh, you
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know what? The state's right. Let's give them the benefit
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of the doubt. If anything, anyone who's paying attention understands
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that the state has so much power that they can't
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be given the benefit of the doubt. The state has
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to do everything the right way. Everything has to be
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done correctly. All I's dotted. All T's crossed. No bullshit.
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No prosecutorial misconduct. and something like this from a lead investigator, folks,
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this is not good. And if you think the jury's
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out there saying to themselves, uh, this is no big deal,
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you're crazy. While on the stand, Proctor defended his work, saying,
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these are unprofessional, but they absolutely did not detract from
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the integrity of the investigation. When referring to the text
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he sent, the Mass State Police have rules, regulations, and
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policies that include organizational values, codes of ethics, Unbecoming conduct,
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bias-based policing, dissemination of information, and telephone use. Well, how
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many of those rules has Mr. Proctor broken? Seems to
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me just about all of them. Retired state trooper Todd
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McGee called Proctor's behavior devastating to a law enforcement professional's career.
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He said he doesn't reflect the behavior of most troopers,
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but what's been exposed may have violated the oath that's
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supposed to be upheld. May have? I understand, you know,
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back the blue and all that, but Sometimes when a
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dog shows you its ass, well, it's just an ass.
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The conduct is clearly egregious. Conduct must always complement the
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department and must always be in the highest regard, in
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a sense, to protect the name of the state police.
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There are probably three or four different areas that could
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trigger violations, said McGee. The county district attorney's office told
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us Proctor is still performing his normal duties. Proctor's conduct
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raises possible Brady-less concerns. that could prevent him from testifying
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in future cases. Mass State Police had no comment for
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this story, and NBC10 Boston investigators never heard back from
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Proctor's lawyer. Oh, of course not. Now he has nothing
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to say, huh? Bro had a lot to say in
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those text messages. Has nothing to say now, though, does he? Folks, look,
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people like this are no good, and they shouldn't be
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in the position that he's in. And there needs to
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be some sort of remedy to address this. This man
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shouldn't even be a security guard at the mall, in
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my opinion. Some people aren't cut out for this shit.
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Chances are Mr. Proctor was one of those dudes who
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was bullied as a kid and this is his chance
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to get some comeback, right? Oh, I'm a big bad
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police officer now in Canton. Oh yeah, big bad police officer.
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Have another beer, you moron. And keep this in mind.
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While all this bullshit's happening and this sideshow's taking place
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between content creators and other people, Mr. O'Keefe's dead and
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nobody is any closer to figuring out once and for
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all what happened. And a lot of that blame, if
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not all of it, lands directly at the feet of
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the investigators. And I think that when all is said
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and done, and we get a verdict here, and then
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we start hearing from the jurors, that's exactly the story
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they're going to sing. All right, folks, that's going to
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do it for this one. All of the information that
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goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. When
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discussing Karen Reed... and the situation that we see going
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on in Massachusetts, I think it's relatively obvious to anyone
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who's paying attention, and who doesn't have any skin in
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the game, that the investigation into John O'Keefe's death is
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an absolute travesty. From the very beginning to the very end,
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these state troopers up in Mass really shit the bed.
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And inevitably, if Karen Reid gets off here, The only
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people anyone should be mad at are these investigators because
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the way they went about their business is disgusting. And
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if this is standard operating procedure up there in Canton,
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then I think it's a good time for some of
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the other cases that have been tried in Canton to
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be looked at once again. And if I was somebody
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who got arrested up there and felt like I got
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hosed and got a raw deal, you better believe I'd
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be calling my lawyer and looking for some sort of
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avenue here to travel down to try and get a
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new trial based on the BS that you see with
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these investigators. And reasonable people out there, they look at
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this and they say, there's no way this was the
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first time. So how many other people have been railroaded
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by shitty investigations in Canton? Today's article is from NBC
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News and the headline, Karen Reid Murder Trial. Messy investigation
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exposes problems with police work that the public rarely sees,
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experts say. Well, there's no doubt about it, but let's
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not get carried away. This isn't all police. This is
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the Canton Police Department. So let's not extrapolate and try
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and say that every police organization, every police department handles
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things the way they do in Canton, because that is
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not true either. This article was authored by Tim Stello.
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Jurors weighing the murder case against Karen Reed, the masked
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woman accused of running down and killing her police officer
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boyfriend in 2022, ended the week without a verdict Friday,
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their fourth day of deliberations, after a trial that included
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dozens of witnesses and allegations of botched detective work. I
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don't even think they're allegations, right? I think that from
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what we've seen and what we heard, anyone who is
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a reasonable person who doesn't have a dog in this
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fight walked away saying to themselves, this is an absolute travesty.
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This whole investigation is garbage. And I've heard that from
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multiple people who haven't even followed this case. Other colleagues
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of mine, people in my personal life who really came
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in cold and who are basing their opinions off what
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they saw at this trial. And then you have another
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cadre of people who believe that the evidence is clear
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and Karen Reid is the killer. And look, I'm not
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going to dispute that there is certainly some evidence pointing
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at Karen Reid. There is no doubt. I'm not one
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of these, oh, we got a free Karen Reid because people.
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But if you've been listening to this podcast, you know
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that I'm a big stickler when it comes to procedure.
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And if the government steps out of line and there's
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prosecutorial misconduct or the investigators are shitty, well, that's on them.
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That's on the state. The state already has so much
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power that we can't cede more to them. They can
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subpoena you. They can get all your records. They can
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bring your friends in. They have a lot of power.
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So the investigators have to toe the line and they
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have to follow the rules. And if they don't follow
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the rules and instead try to be, you know, vigilantes
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or cowboys or whatever, then you better expect that they're
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going to be met with some blowback and some pushback
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if that's ever exposed. And that's where we're at now.
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So the question once again becomes, how many other cases
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like this up in Canton are there? Reed's defense lawyers
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argue that the investigation was flawed with undisclosed conflicts of
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interest offensive text messages, and a failure to consider alternative suspects.
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So basically accusing the investigators of having tunnel vision. And look,
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if the evidence is clear, I get it 100%. But
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how can we look at what's going on here and
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the evidence that's collected and say that that's, you know, convincing?
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We don't have DNA evidence. We have what, a hair
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on the fender? They live together. So look, folks, again,
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don't get it twisted, okay? Don't get it confused. I'm
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not sitting here and telling you I know what happened.
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I do not know what happened. But I will say this.
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In a court of law, it's beyond a reasonable doubt.
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So if there's any doubt whatsoever with the evidence, you
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can't convict. So I'm very, very curious as to what's
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going on in that jury room and what the sticking
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point is right now. And it's going to be very
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interesting to see after the verdict is rendered what these
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jurors have to say. They've alleged a conspiracy among law
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enforcement officers to cover up the death of Boston police
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officer John O'Keefe at the hands of one of their
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own and Frame Reed in his killing. Regardless of the
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trial's outcome, legal experts said the proceedings exposed an often
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hidden side of law enforcement that can be rife with problems. Look,
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there is no... doubt there are some issues that need
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to be addressed and there are you know dirty cops
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cops that are going to cover for other cops cops
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that are going to lie cheat and steal and unfortunately
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when we see that it really puts everybody in a
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bad light and people who are already down on law
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enforcement They're going to utilize that, right? They're going to
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use that as a tool. And they're going to point
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at this and say, look, look at how terrible this is.
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We need to defund the police. But the reality is
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we need to retrain the police. We need to make
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sure they have all of the training needed, all of
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the resources available that they need. And then once all
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of that occurs, we have to hold them to a
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high standard. And the unions and all the other people
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that want to get in the way when there's a
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bad apple, They need to understand that they're hurting their
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cause overall in the long run. And if there's a
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bad apple with convincing evidence that they're up to no good,
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they have to go. Because way too often, these police
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officers that are up to no good, they're protected by
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that blue line, right? Or like Alan Jackson said, that
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blue wall. One of the legacies of the Karen Reed
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murder prosecution is that it puts a spotlight on some
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of the flaws and missteps in the police investigation, said
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Daniel Medwed, a professor of law and criminal justice at
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Northeastern University and an expert on wrongful convictions. If there
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are missteps and sloppiness in a murder investigation involving the
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death of a police officer, what does that suggest about
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the process in a more run-of-the-mill case with a civilian victim,
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he said. And this has been my point from the jump.
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We're talking about a police officer who was killed here.
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And this is the kind of investigation that they launched? Now,
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I can see how people are like, look, this has
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to be a conspiracy theory. This has to be some
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sort of conspiracy between the police and others to put
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the blame on Karen Reid. because it's very hard to
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believe that an investigation could be this bad and this shoddy.
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But unfortunately, in my opinion, that's what it is, a
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bad investigation. And a bad investigation leads to no justice
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for anyone. This should be cause for concern and some evaluation,
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he added. Yeah, I think that's an understatement. Stara Romer,
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a former Dallas County prosecutor turned criminal defense lawyer in Texas,
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said the actions of the lead investigator in the case,
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Mass State Trooper Michael Proctor, reflect a problem with some
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police officers who show little respect for the subjects of
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an investigation. Like, how hard is it not to send
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those kinds of text messages? Is it really that difficult
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to be professional? When I worked at the sportsbook, believe me,
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there was a lot of shit I wanted to say
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to a lot of people. Guess what I did? I
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shut my mouth and I remained professional. And I certainly
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wasn't investigating anyone for murder. But yet we have this
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do not over here, Mr. Proctor, who thinks it's a
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good idea to send these kinds of text messages as
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he's the lead investigator of this case, as if that's
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not going to come back to bite you. And once again,
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if Proctor's acting like this. With a police officer lying
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dead in his district in his area of investigation, how
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do you think he feels when it's a regular person? Tom, Dick,
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or Harry gets mugged and killed. You think Proctor is
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going to interrupt his day to do the right thing?
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Come on, folks. We've all seen the way this dude
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gets down, and if anyone deserves to be fired, it's
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Trooper Proctor. At trial, Proctor acknowledged making derogatory comments about
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Reed and sharing details about the investigation with friends and family.
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He testified that the comments were unprofessional but did not
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compromise the investigation. What an idiot. We're having this conversation
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right now, aren't we? Stupid. So yeah, I would say
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your bullshit really comes close to compromising this investigation. And
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if it comes back with a not guilty verdict, a
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lot of it's going to rest on your shoulders, stupid.
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I have never seen this kind of appearance of impropriety,
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Romer said. I'm sure that it happens every day, the
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difference between this case. And other cases is that generally
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the detectives going home and talking to whoever about a case,
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they're not talking about it with people who know the
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people that are involved in the case and are potential suspects.
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Like for real, you want to go home and you're
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a detective and you want to talk in generalities about
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a case you're working on. Cool. Don't step out of line.
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Don't talk about the evidence in the case and certainly
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don't talk about people's medical conditions because people are going
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to talk about work, right? I know I have some
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friends who are police officers, detectives and otherwise, who talk
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about work. They never get into specifics, and I never ask.
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And I'm telling you right now, if one of my
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friends who is a detective started talking through his hat
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about some shit like this, I'd ask him if he
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was okay or if he was smoking toad venom. If
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I were a police officer and I saw this, it's like,
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how are you expected to go out and do your job,
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she added. How do you trust the police? The Mass
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State Police did not respond to her request for comment.
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A message left on a number listed for Proctor was
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not returned. A night out and an after-party. Readin' O'Keefe, 46,
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who had been a Boston police officer for 16 years,
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had been at a bar with other current and former
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law enforcement officers the night before he was found dead.
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O'Keefe had planned on going to an after-party at the
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home of now-retired Boston police sergeant, prosecutors have said, but
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never made it inside. O'Keefe was discovered in the front
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yard of Brian Albert's home around 6 a.m. on January 29, 2022.
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He was later pronounced dead at a local hospital. The
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medical examiner attributed his cause of death to blunt force
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trauma to the head and hypothermia, and Reed was later
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charged with second-degree murder, vehicular manslaughter, and other crimes. She
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pleaded not guilty. Yo, they really stacked the charges here,
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hoping to get one, right? And I don't really like that.
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I think that each of these charges should have to
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be charged and have to be adjudicated and tried separately. Again,
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I don't think that the state should have any sort
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of unnecessary advantage over the citizens. I don't think that
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that is the way we should be doing things. If
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you want to try somebody for vehicular manslaughter, try them
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for that. If you want to try somebody for second
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degree murder, well, you better be able to meet your
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burden of proof. Try them for that. But don't bundle
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it all together. prosecutors have alleged that Reed, drunk and
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angry over her troubled relationship with O'Keefe, backed her SUV
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into her boyfriend while dropping him off at the after party.
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At trial, Norfolk County Assistant District Attorney Adam Lally said
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vehicle data from Reed's Lexus showed her SUV traveled backwards
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for 60 feet at 24 miles per hour outside Albert's home.
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The SUV taillight was broken, Lally said, and pieces of
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it were later found outside Albert's home. Yeah, like 10
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days later or something? Okay, obviously, hyperbole there. But you
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mean to tell me that nobody could find these pieces
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of the shattered taillight the night it happened? They just
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happened to find them the next day, the next couple
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of days? Oh, the snow, the snow, the snow. You
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dudes don't have flashlights and shit? What's going on? You're
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from Canton, Massachusetts. It snows all the time. How is
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it that the police department or state police are incapable
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of performing an investigation... in these kinds of weather conditions.
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That would be like the police in Las Vegas not
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being able to perform when it's hot. Ah, yeah, sorry guys.
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I wasn't able to collect that information. It was a
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little too hot out. I wasn't able to grab that.
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You know, we'll have to go back in a few days.
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What sort of dumbass cowboy cop type bullshit is this?
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And for me, again, as somebody coming into this cold,
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if I was a juror, there is no way I
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could convict on what I've seen here. Forensic testing showed
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that O'Keefe's hair was on the vehicle's bumper. And his
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DNA was on the taillight, Lally said. Lally also pointed
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to Reed's own comments, I hit him. That emergency personnel
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recalled her saying on the morning of January 29th. And
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for me, look, when somebody's panicked, when somebody's in a state,
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they say some shit. I've seen people in shock. Say
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some things that'll knock your socks off, folks. I had
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a friend who got shot, and after he got shot,
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he was in such shock that he didn't even realize
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that he was shot. It was like we almost had
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to convince him that he had to go to the hospital.
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So when people go through something traumatic, when people are
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going through it, they'll say and do some crazy stuff.
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So look, I'm not saying that we shouldn't put any
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weight into what Karen Reid said. Of course we should.
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But we have to look at the overall situation, right?
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We have to look at all of the other evidence.
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and for me, there's not enough evidence to prove what
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she said. At least not enough proof to make it
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more than reasonable doubt. Reed says she was set up.
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Reed denied striking O'Keefe and her lawyers have said she
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dropped him off and he went inside Albert's home. Reed
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later realized that her boyfriend never came home, her defense
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team has said. Hours after Reed said she dropped him off,
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she went to look for him with two other women
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and found him in Albert's front yard. Reed's defense lawyers
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have challenged Key Pieces of prosecution's physical evidence, including the
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broken taillight. Citing home security video that showed Reed backing
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into O'Keefe's car as she left to search for him
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on the morning of January 29th and discrepancies in Proctor's
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police reports, they suggested the pieces of taillight found outside
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the Alberts' home could have been planted. Proctor testified that
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that discrepancy was a typo. Now look, does anyone believe
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anything Mr. Proctor has to say? And it's really unfortunate
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for John O'Keefe's family. Let's not forget, for me anyway,
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that's the most important thing here, justice for Mr. O'Keefe.
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And it's not looking like he's going to get any justice,
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is it? Looking like this is going to end up
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being one of those cases where we never know what
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the hell happened. And I attribute that directly to the
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investigators and their bullshit investigation. And the defense team has
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said that Reid's comments from the morning of January 29th
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were twisted from a panic question, could I have hit him,
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into a statement. And look, that's definitely something that's possible.
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Like I was just saying, when you're going through it,
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and you're suffering through something, you'll say some shit sometimes
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that you don't even realize you're saying. Medwed, the Northeastern professor,
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said that how those comments were used may show confirmation
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bias among authorities. She's upset. She's speculating, he said. She
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can't remember what happened because she was so inebriated, and
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maybe she's thinking she hit him. If you think Karen
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Reid is guilty, then all of those factoids would support
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that theory, he added. 1,000%. And again, I can see
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it from that point of view, right? I can totally
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see it. But I think a lot of people have
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tunnel vision. And when you have tunnel vision and you're
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massaging your own bias because you've already come to the
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conclusion that Karen Reid's guilty, then you're going to miss things, right?
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You're not going to be as open to evidence as
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you might be if you weren't being guided down the
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road by your bias. And that's exactly what's happened with
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a lot of people. And it happens time and time
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again with cases like these because people want justice, right?
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I'm not saying that people out here that want Karen
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Reid to go to jail are bad people. I don't
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think that at all. I think they see the case
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from one perspective. And then you have the free Karen
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Reid people. They see it from a different viewpoint. And
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then there's the rest of us that aren't, you know,
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on one side or the other. that are looking at
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this clinically and saying, hey, look, there is not enough
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evidence here, and if you want me to convict her
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as a juror, you're going to need to provide more
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evidence as far as the prosecution goes, and I just
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don't think that that burden has been met. Reed's lawyers,
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who were permitted to present an alternative theory of O'Keefe's
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killing at trial, argued that O'Keefe may have gotten into
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a fatal scuffle at the party... with another law enforcement officer,
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an agent with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms,
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and Explosives, whom Reed had traded flirtatious texts with, then ghosted.
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The lawyers have alleged that those who attended the party
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then dumped O'Keefe's body outside and framed Reed to cover
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it up. She was a convenient outsider in law enforcement
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officials' attempt to protect one of their own, her lawyers said.
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Lally has dismissed that claim as rampant speculation. And look,
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it's enough to muddy the waters, right? That's all he's
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trying to do, meaning Mr. Jackson. He's trying to muddy
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the waters, trying to make it look like anything but
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his client's guilty. And breaking news, folks, I know a
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lot of people don't want to hear it, but that's
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his job. Language and relationships under scrutiny. Proctor admitted during
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the trial that he used slurs and offensive language to
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describe Reed in text messages to family, friends, and supervisors. Now,
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if I'm your supervisor and you send me a text
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message like that, we're going to have a big problem
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because I know later on down the road, you could
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have your phone records subpoenaed, the whole thing. And then
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you're going to look like an asshole. You're making everybody
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else look like an asshole. And if I'm your boss
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and you're talking to me like this, I'm certainly an asshole.
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During testimony, Proctor also acknowledged having undisclosed personal and professional
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ties to Albert, the former Boston sergeant who owned the
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home where O'Keefe was found. He testified that his comments
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and relationships did not compromise the investigation. Proctor testified that
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he had worked a cold case investigation with Albert's brother,
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an officer with the Canton Police Department, and had gone
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out drinking with him. And Proctor's sister was close friends
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with Albert's sister-in-law. The investigator testified that he'd previously asked
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his sister-in-law to babysit his children. I mean, come on.
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You guys teed this ball right up for Alan Jackson
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up there in Canton. Here's an idea. If anyone was
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involved as far as knowing people, recuse yourself. But no,
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they can't even do that basic thing, right? Everybody has
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to be involved. I'm the only one who can solve
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this case. Just like that moron down there in Georgia,
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Fannie Willis, who thinks she's the only one who can
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try the cases. Here's an idea, lady. If your case
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is strong, take a step back and let the case
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do what it's going to do. But all these people
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that have to be involved, people like Proctor, they're the problem.
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And if you think looking at Proctor's record is going
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to stop with Karen Reid, you're sadly mistaken. Because in
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my opinion, this dude's up to his eyeballs in bullshit.
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During the investigation, Proctor testified he interviewed the sister-in-law, who
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had been out drinking with O'Keefe and Reid before the party,
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and admitted discussing that conversation with his sisters. The sister-in-law
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later offered Proctor a thank-you gift via his sister when
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this is all over, according to text messages between the
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siblings that were presented as evidence in court. Yeah, that
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looks good. Doesn't look like he's getting any kind of
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gifts or anything like that. Even if he's not, the
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optics are bad. And why in the hell, as an investigator,
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would you give the defense that door to walk through?
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In testimony, Proctor said he never asked for a gift
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or received one. He denied sharing progress of the homicide
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investigation with his sister and added that he'd only made
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her aware of newsworthy stuff. Here's an idea, make her
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aware of nothing. Pretty simple. Proctor shared details of the
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investigation with several high school friends in a group chat
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on the night of January 29th, hours after O'Keefe was
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found dead. One of the friends wrote that the person
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who owned the house where O'Keefe's body was discovered will
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receive some shit. Nope, Proctor responded, referring to Albert. Homeowner
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is a Boston cop too. Oh, well, that's nice. Basically
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admitting that you're not going to investigate your buddy because
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he's a cop, huh? It's a good look. Rest of
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us feel real comfortable about that. Can't wait to get
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pulled over by Trooper Proctor when I'm visiting Canton. I'm
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sure that'll be a pleasant experience. Proctor presents a serious
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problem for the state's case, said Romer, the former prosecutor
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turned defense attorney in Dallas. Everything about Trooper Proctor was
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a problem, she said. He shouldn't have been involved in
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this case. He should have taken himself out because he
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knew people that were witnesses in this case. I mean,
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it's not rocket science. As you all know, I'm not
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exactly what you would call fucking bright, okay? But I'm
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smart enough to know that if I'm investigating this kind
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of case and I know all of the people involved,
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probably a good time to recuse myself. Meanwhile, Mr. Proctor
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over here acting like the douchey is, decides to go
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the other way, and now has really put everything in
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jeopardy as far as the CW goes. It was bad
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enough with their shitty investigation, then you add all this
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other stuff to it, and even if she's convicted here,
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this has appeal written all over it. Mark my words.
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To avoid a potential conflict of interest, state police led
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the investigation into O'Keefe's death, but Proctor damaged that effort
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by sharing details about the case with others, Romer said.
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When you have somebody like Trooper Proctor going around telling
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everybody in town intimate details of the investigation, you're compromising it,
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Romer said. Even if there's not a conspiracy, you're compromising it.
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He does not know who these people are talking to,
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but what he does know is that people that he's
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talking to know the people that live inside of the
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house where this happened. And that's really what it comes
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down to for me as well. Even if there is
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no conspiracy, Mr. Proctor has compromised this whole entire thing.
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Two early morning phone calls. At trial, Proctor said he
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wasn't aware of two phone calls between Albert and the
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ATF agent, Brian Higgins, that the defense described as curious
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and potentially significant. The calls were made at 2.22 a.m.
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on January 29th, roughly four hours before O'Keefe was found dead.
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Higgins said he had no recollection of the calls. Albert
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said a one-second call from his phone to Higgins was accidental.
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He said he didn't answer a return call moments later
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that lasted 22 seconds. Pryor said he wasn't aware of
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the calls because investigators don't typically seize witnesses' phones. In
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the chat with his friends, Proctor said that Reed, whom
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he called a whack job and identified using a slur,
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had waffled O'Keefe or hit him with the SUV. He
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added that there would be serious charges brought against her.
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And the word he called her was pretty disgusting, right?
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No need for it. Even if you think she's guilty,
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be a professional. Medwed said the revelations about Proctor's investigation
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showed that he's often seen in wrongful convictions, a tendency
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among investigators to develop tunnel vision, or a resistance to
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pursuing possible evidence or information that doesn't fit the theory
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of what happened. Bingo, 1000% tunnel vision it is. This
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happens more often than you know, and a lot of
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people end up getting away with bullshit. Asked at trial
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if he'd wrapped up the case before fully investigating it,
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Proctor responded that in those early hours he'd already developed
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compelling evidence showing Reed had struck O'Keefe with her vehicle. No,
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he hadn't. That was all assumption and speculation based on
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nothing but a preliminary, very short investigation. So how the
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hell does he know what happened? Breaking news, he doesn't.
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The way that we see the evidence is tinged by
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our expectations and our theory of the case, he said.
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It seems as if the police did develop a theory
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pretty early on that Karen Reed committed the crime. As
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the case evolves, there might have been other avenues of
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investigation that they didn't pursue. And I think that that
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is all logical. I think that that's something that has
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to be looked at. And I think that when you're
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talking about Karen Reed especially and this trial... then I
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think that there is no doubt that the investigation was
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shoddy from the jump. And considering how bad the investigation was,
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how bad the investigators were, I really don't know how
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anyone can come to the determination that beyond the reasonable doubt,
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there's enough evidence here to convict Karen Reid. But obviously,
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at least one of the jurors feels differently, and that's
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why we have this situation where the deliberations have been ongoing. So,
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we're going to continue to watch what's going on today.
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And hopefully the jury decides and comes to a conclusion
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and we have a verdict in the Karen Reid case.
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And once we get that verdict, obviously, we'll have another
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episode prepped up and ready to go and we'll get
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it added to the catalog. But until then, that's going
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to do it for this one. And all of the
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