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Hey, welcome back to the program.
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It's a pleasure to be with you on a First Amendment Friday.
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Always glad to get your calls at 866-H Lars.
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A bill to stop data centers from spiking your power bill has passed the U.S.
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House of Reps 417-3, and then one U.S.
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Senator single-handedly blocked its passage in the U.S.
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Senate.
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So I thought we'd get an explanation of that.
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And the perfect guy to do that is Daniel Turner, founder and executive director of Power of the Future.
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Daniel, welcome back.
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Lars, it's always good to be on your program.
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Thanks for having me back.
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I'm glad to do it.
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I I I have to admit, being a little bit ambivalent about data centers and energy is one of the biggest issues.
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Because I understand that we our national power grid had had issues and has issues, even if the data centers weren't around, because we we've allowed the left to push the utility companies away from sensible ways of making electricity off to gr buying solar panels and windmills from China, which doesn't seem like a good idea.
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But having said that, I do want the data centers to pay their fair share.
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What in the world got in the way of something that is passed on such a bipartisan vote of 417 to 3 in the House, and then it gets to the Senate and comes to a dead stop?
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What happened?
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Martin Heinrich, who's the senior senator from New Mexico, and not a household name.
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The guy's been in office, I think, 18 years.
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No one even heard of Martin Heinrich.
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Can I insert this, Daniel?
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You know that we talk about senators and reps all the time.
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And I I think I know all 100 senators.
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I don't know them personally, but I know their names.
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And I know most of the House members.
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I never heard of this guy.
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How has he managed to fly under the radar for almost 20 years?
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It shows you how little he has done and how ineffective he is.
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But he knows the efficacy of continuing to blame high electricity prices on the president going into this election cycle.
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So what does he do?
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He stops a piece of legislation that will try to address the problem.
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And now for 50 more days, they get to say high electricity prices, vote for Democrats.
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So this is just an example of where your average elected official, and I'll even throw Republicans under the bus on this.
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Your average elected official's number one job is getting re-elected.
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It is not about the people, it is not about the cause or the issue.
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It is about consolidating power and winning re-election by any means necessary.
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And isn't that sad?
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Isn't there do you see any way to make that change?
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Because you're right.
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They they just want to get re-elected.
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And I think the Republicans are guilty of that as well.
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And so that allows them to let the bureaucracy handle most of the actual decision making.
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And then when somebody back at home says, hey, why do we have to do this?
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He's oh, you know, that's that's the EPA or that's the DOE or that's uh somebody else.
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It's not my fault.
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Well, yes, it is.
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You're the lawmaker, and uh, it'd be nice to be able to get them to take responsibility.
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It really would be.
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And and you know, this is a conversation that a lot of people in D.C.
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have, but they look at the 17th Amendment, which changed how senators are elected rather than being chosen by the state legislature, they're chosen popularly.
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You know, you have people like the DSA, which are dominating this election cycle and really destroying the Democrat Party, but one of their platforms is abolish the Senate.
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Well, the Senate really doesn't work very well, and the reason why is because of people like Martin Heinrich.
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And we can add Mitch McConnell to that, right?
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They're they're looking for their election, they're looking for their their past money, they're looking for their job.
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Um, they're not looking out for the interests of their states.
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Martin Heinrich represents a very important oil and gas state where data centers are huge, but he's not doing anything to help New Mexico, or as President Trump calls it, New America.
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He's only doing what will help him keep his job.
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And that's that's a pathetic way that Congress has been bastardized for political power and not for the good of its initial purpose, which is helping the American people.
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Well, did Martin Heinrich, U.S.
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senator from New Mexico and previously unheard of, send out a search party, did he offer up any kind of logical explanation for why it made sense to turn this bill down?
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Especially I I always imagine what it would be like if you were a U.S.
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Senator and you looked at a bill and you said, this one got Democrats and Republicans all but three, and I would imagine those three may have been uh procedural no votes, although they could have been, you know, uh no votes for a reason.
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But a lot of times they'll do procedural so somebody can you know uh uh move to reconsider and things like that.
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But if you've got something that passed 417 to three, and then you say, no, I don't want it to pass, shouldn't you have to come up with a good reason for that?
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He he gave the reason on the House on the Senate floor, and he said it's because the bill didn't go far enough.
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And so suddenly now the Democrats, Democratic senators, are these legislative masterminds who want perfection.
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Because look at Obamacare, right?
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Look at the CHIPSAC, look at the Inflation Reduction Act, right?
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These are just flawless pieces of 8,000 words, 8,000 pages of legislation.
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So to stand there on the floor and use such a pathetic excuse.
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Again, this is all about the election.
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They cannot do anything to try to improve the economy before the election.
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But is there any way, I mean, is there a way to get this reconsidered?
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Is there a way to tell the Senate, go do your job and get this thing passed and make it clear to Republicans this is something you should be able to go to the voters and say, we got this done.
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The data centers will pay their share.
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I think this is one of those examples, and I'm not a Senate procedural expert, but I think this is one of those examples where all hundred senators have this gentleman's agreement of playing these procedural games.
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Kind of the same reason why they won't pass the SAVE Act.
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Um, kind of the what the why they have this blank permission that if someone objects to a judicial nominee, that the nominee's uh name is canceled, right?
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They they amongst the hundred of themselves all play these little games because it helps them out.
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Um, and they don't do the will of the American people.
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Again, it goes back to the 17th Amendment.
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This is the problem with having the Senate structured the way it has been the last 90 or so years, and not how the founders intended.
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Boy, I'll tell you what, because I I can tell you, Daniel Daniel, in the region I live in in the Pacific Northwest, I've looked at the regional power planning authorities.
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I mean, these are the government agencies.
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They're not, you know, uh acolytes of the conservative cause.
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And they're telling us we're looking at by 2030, just uh four years from now, three and a half years from now, we're looking at a 30 percent chance of what they call loss of load probability, which means the lights go out.
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And you say, hold on, permanently?
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Well, no, probably just for a few hours or a couple of days.
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You say, well, when's that going to happen?
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Oh, when it gets especially cold in the winter or it gets especially warm in the summer, and depending on wind, and depending on uh you know rain and depending on water and hydro and everything else.
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And you say, hold on, we're uh we're a modern technological country and we might have the power go out?
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Isn't power going out for third world dictatorships?
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And who are two of your more senior senators in that region?
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Patty Murray, who's been there since the early 1990s, and Ron Wyden, who has been there longer than I've been alive, and I am 51.
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That's how long Ron Wyden has been representing Oregon in Washington, D.C.
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And the problems don't get fixed.
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Why?
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Because both Senator Murray and Senator Wyden only care about getting re-elected.
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Can I tell you, Daniel, I've I've been a bit like Keyote.
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You know, I've been tilting at windmills on one subject, and you just brought up the name, and that's Ron Wyden.
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This guy makes me so mad.
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Do you know where the great senator from Oregon makes his home?
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Um Washington, D.C., I assume.
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Manhattan.
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Oh, there you go.
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His wife he he is married, he has teenage children, his whole family lives in in Manhattan, uh his wife is a registered voter in in in uh New York, in New York City.
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Uh he is officially a registered voter.
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He doesn't live in the state he represents, and he lives almost 3,000 miles away from the state he claims to represent.
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Wouldn't you think that would be a disqualifier?
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It would be if if your state legislature had control over who their senators were.
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Absolutely.
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Going back to Martin Heinrich, we used to call him Maryland's third senator because he lives in Maryland.
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No doubt.
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Hey, Daniel, thanks very much.
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That's Daniel Turner, the founder and executive director of Power of the Future.
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Back in a moment.
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It's First Amendment Friday.
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Your calls are welcome at 866 439 5277.
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Send emails to talk at larrislarrison.com.
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Hey, welcome back to the program.
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It's a pleasure to be with you on a First Amendment Friday.
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Always glad to get your calls at 866-H Lars.
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A bill to stop data centers from spiking your power bill has passed the U.S.
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House of Reps 417-3, and then one U.S.
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Senator single-handedly blocked its passage in the U.S.
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Senate.
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So I thought we'd get an explanation of that.
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And the perfect guy to do that is Daniel Turner, founder and executive director of Power of the Future.
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Daniel, welcome back.
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Lars, it's always good to be on your program.
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Thanks for having me back.
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I'm glad to do it.
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I I I have to admit, being a little bit ambivalent about data centers and energy is one of the biggest issues.
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Because I understand that we our national power grid had had issues and has issues, even if the data centers weren't around, because we we've allowed the left to push the utility companies away from sensible ways of making electricity off to gr buying solar panels and windmills from China, which doesn't seem like a good idea.
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But having said that, I do want the data centers to pay their fair share.
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What in the world got in the way of something that is passed on such a bipartisan vote of 417 to 3 in the House, and then it gets to the Senate and comes to a dead stop?
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What happened?
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Martin Heinrich, who's the senior senator from New Mexico, and not a household name.
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The guy's been in office, I think, 18 years.
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No one even heard of Martin Heinrich.
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Can I insert this, Daniel?
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You know that we talk about senators and reps all the time.
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And I I think I know all 100 senators.
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I don't know them personally, but I know their names.
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And I know most of the House members.
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I never heard of this guy.
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How has he managed to fly under the radar for almost 20 years?
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It shows you how little he has done and how ineffective he is.
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But he knows the efficacy of continuing to blame high electricity prices on the president going into this election cycle.
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So what does he do?
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He stops a piece of legislation that will try to address the problem.
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And now for 50 more days, they get to say high electricity prices, vote for Democrats.
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So this is just an example of where your average elected official, and I'll even throw Republicans under the bus on this.
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Your average elected official's number one job is getting re-elected.
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It is not about the people, it is not about the cause or the issue.
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It is about consolidating power and winning re-election by any means necessary.
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And isn't that sad?
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Isn't there do you see any way to make that change?
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Because you're right.
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They they just want to get re-elected.
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And I think the Republicans are guilty of that as well.
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And so that allows them to let the bureaucracy handle most of the actual decision making.
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And then when somebody back at home says, hey, why do we have to do this?
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He's oh, you know, that's that's the EPA or that's the DOE or that's uh somebody else.
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It's not my fault.
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Well, yes, it is.
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You're the lawmaker, and uh, it'd be nice to be able to get them to take responsibility.
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It really would be.
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And and you know, this is a conversation that a lot of people in D.C.
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have, but they look at the 17th Amendment, which changed how senators are elected rather than being chosen by the state legislature, they're chosen popularly.
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You know, you have people like the DSA, which are dominating this election cycle and really destroying the Democrat Party, but one of their platforms is abolish the Senate.
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Well, the Senate really doesn't work very well, and the reason why is because of people like Martin Heinrich.
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And we can add Mitch McConnell to that, right?
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They're they're looking for their election, they're looking for their their past money, they're looking for their job.
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Um, they're not looking out for the interests of their states.
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Martin Heinrich represents a very important oil and gas state where data centers are huge, but he's not doing anything to help New Mexico, or as President Trump calls it, New America.
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He's only doing what will help him keep his job.
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And that's that's a pathetic way that Congress has been bastardized for political power and not for the good of its initial purpose, which is helping the American people.
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Well, did Martin Heinrich, U.S.
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senator from New Mexico and previously unheard of, send out a search party, did he offer up any kind of logical explanation for why it made sense to turn this bill down?
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Especially I I always imagine what it would be like if you were a U.S.
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Senator and you looked at a bill and you said, this one got Democrats and Republicans all but three, and I would imagine those three may have been uh procedural no votes, although they could have been, you know, uh no votes for a reason.
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But a lot of times they'll do procedural so somebody can you know uh uh move to reconsider and things like that.
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But if you've got something that passed 417 to three, and then you say, no, I don't want it to pass, shouldn't you have to come up with a good reason for that?
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He he gave the reason on the House on the Senate floor, and he said it's because the bill didn't go far enough.
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And so suddenly now the Democrats, Democratic senators, are these legislative masterminds who want perfection.
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Because look at Obamacare, right?
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Look at the CHIPSAC, look at the Inflation Reduction Act, right?
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These are just flawless pieces of 8,000 words, 8,000 pages of legislation.
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So to stand there on the floor and use such a pathetic excuse.
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Again, this is all about the election.
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They cannot do anything to try to improve the economy before the election.
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But is there any way, I mean, is there a way to get this reconsidered?
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Is there a way to tell the Senate, go do your job and get this thing passed and make it clear to Republicans this is something you should be able to go to the voters and say, we got this done.
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The data centers will pay their share.
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I think this is one of those examples, and I'm not a Senate procedural expert, but I think this is one of those examples where all hundred senators have this gentleman's agreement of playing these procedural games.
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Kind of the same reason why they won't pass the SAVE Act.
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Um, kind of the what the why they have this blank permission that if someone objects to a judicial nominee, that the nominee's uh name is canceled, right?
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They they amongst the hundred of themselves all play these little games because it helps them out.
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Um, and they don't do the will of the American people.
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Again, it goes back to the 17th Amendment.
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This is the problem with having the Senate structured the way it has been the last 90 or so years, and not how the founders intended.
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Boy, I'll tell you what, because I I can tell you, Daniel Daniel, in the region I live in in the Pacific Northwest, I've looked at the regional power planning authorities.
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I mean, these are the government agencies.
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They're not, you know, uh acolytes of the conservative cause.
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And they're telling us we're looking at by 2030, just uh four years from now, three and a half years from now, we're looking at a 30 percent chance of what they call loss of load probability, which means the lights go out.
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And you say, hold on, permanently?
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Well, no, probably just for a few hours or a couple of days.
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You say, well, when's that going to happen?
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Oh, when it gets especially cold in the winter or it gets especially warm in the summer, and depending on wind, and depending on uh you know rain and depending on water and hydro and everything else.
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And you say, hold on, we're uh we're a modern technological country and we might have the power go out?
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Isn't power going out for third world dictatorships?
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And who are two of your more senior senators in that region?
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Patty Murray, who's been there since the early 1990s, and Ron Wyden, who has been there longer than I've been alive, and I am 51.
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That's how long Ron Wyden has been representing Oregon in Washington, D.C.
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And the problems don't get fixed.
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Why?
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Because both Senator Murray and Senator Wyden only care about getting re-elected.
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Can I tell you, Daniel, I've I've been a bit like Keyote.
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You know, I've been tilting at windmills on one subject, and you just brought up the name, and that's Ron Wyden.
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This guy makes me so mad.
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Do you know where the great senator from Oregon makes his home?
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Um Washington, D.C., I assume.
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Manhattan.
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Oh, there you go.
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His wife he he is married, he has teenage children, his whole family lives in in Manhattan, uh his wife is a registered voter in in in uh New York, in New York City.
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Uh he is officially a registered voter.
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He doesn't live in the state he represents, and he lives almost 3,000 miles away from the state he claims to represent.
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Wouldn't you think that would be a disqualifier?
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It would be if if your state legislature had control over who their senators were.
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Absolutely.
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Going back to Martin Heinrich, we used to call him Maryland's third senator because he lives in Maryland.
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No doubt.
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Hey, Daniel, thanks very much.
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That's Daniel Turner, the founder and executive director of Power of the Future.
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