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Welcome back to the Lars Larson Show.
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It's a pleasure to be with you, and I want to talk about mail in voting.
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Uh the ballots went in the mail yesterday for Oregon.
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I'm not an Oregon voter.
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I was for decades, but I'm not these days.
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I vote in Washington State.
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But I saw this piece by Barbara Klein, who's the first vice president of the League of Women Voters, Oregon, and the action chair for the League in the Rogue Valley.
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Ms.
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Klein, I might consider you one of my ultimate naysayers, and I appreciate you coming on the program.
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Thank you.
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Well, you're welcome.
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Thank you for having me.
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You think that Oregon's vote by mail system is solid and secure and should not be questioned.
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Am I right?
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Am I right?
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Well, I wouldn't say anything shouldn't be questioned.
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We should always question what we have.
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But our concerns are are um more intricate than that.
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You know, polarization thrives on misinformation.
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And when we hear something outrageous or annoying and it makes us angry, we want to share it.
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But sometimes it isn't based on facts, you know, connecting dots that don't actually connect dots.
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And we're worried that some of the complaints about mail-in voting are sowing seeds of mistrust in our elections.
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So, you know, if you don't like the results, then you can just yell it was fraudulent no matter what the results were.
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And, you know, we have a constitutional democratic republic, and as voters, we need to participate in that.
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Consent of the govern is how the government should work, and only elections can ensure that, and we need to have trust in them.
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Okay.
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Let me ask you a couple of things.
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Um the Tobias Reed, the Secretary of State of Oregon, has just agreed, because Judicial Watch put the squeeze on him with a lawsuit, to remove eight hundred thousand ineligible voters from Oregon's voter rolls that only contained about three point two million uh registered voters.
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Is that not an indication that there was a problem if they had to remove a quarter of all the registered voters from the system because they were ineligible?
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Well, I shouldn't speak to that because I actually don't know about it.
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But um I would say that they regularly update the voter registration lists, and they have four ways of doing that.
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And I can't say for sure what you're talking about, um, although I'll I'll give you an opinion.
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But the four ways that you know they do it, they have Eric, which is the electronic, you know, registration information center, which is shares between states so that you can't vote in two states.
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Run by a private organization funded by liberal political groups, right, Ms.
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Klein?
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You might say so.
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But anyway, the national am I wrong?
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Is it is it funded by liberals or is it funded by conservatives?
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Many, many states have have joined in that.
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And I know some states have have come away from it, but I still think it's an excellent um source.
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And they also use the change of address system with the U.S.
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Postal Service.
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Um they do Oregon Health Authority, if something comes in there, the DMV and the election divisions.
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But you know, one thing I wanted to mention is that sometimes in um in our elections lists, we include both the active and inactive voters.
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It doesn't mean the inactive voters can um vote.
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They they can't.
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Oregon agreed to remove 800,000 ineligible voters.
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And that's not inactive, ineligible.
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And they've removed them, 800,000 of them.
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And I'm not the only one who has reported that.
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The fish rapper has reported it, Judicial Watch has reported it, even Tobias Reed's office has been on this show and talked about it.
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Let me ask you about something else.
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So it's only been two years since they found a couple of thousand foreign nationals registered to vote in Oregon's system.
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And then the Secretary of State said, but we're not going to bother to check the other registered voters to find other foreign nationals.
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We'll catch those as we go along.
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Is that is that a legitimate way to keep the system operating clean when you found a couple of thousand foreign nationals registered to vote?
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No.
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No, and I don't think that that's really the way they handle it.
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But you know, my very first vote ever, I pulled a lever behind a screen.
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Now that could be a bit scary.
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Where were those levers recording and um who was seeing it?
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Which has never been the system in Oregon, right?
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So we're talking about a different part of the I've lived in.
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Well, let me if you have hundred if you have thousands of foreign nationals registered to vote, and then you say, but we're not going to check the rest of the registered voters to find other foreign nationals, does that suggest there's a problem with the system that you say is safe and secure?
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I don't know about um what you're speaking about now.
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You don't know about them finding a couple of thousand registered voters who are foreign nationals.
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Not all were illegals, some were illegals, some were just foreign nationals and not citizens.
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I know about the I know about the ones the DMV had, and it was a mistake, and they took them off.
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I don't know about what you just said about the 800,000 ballots, and and that's what I'm concerned about.
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Um and I don't want to speak to the Aaron.
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If you're not even aware that the state of Oregon is in the middle of removing 800,000 registered voters that were ineligible?
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No, no, because I know how they handle things.
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And the other thing is that a lot of people haven't gone to the their own elections office.
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They don't know how it works, they don't see how things are verified, they don't see how signatures are verified.
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Um again, I just don't want to speak to the things I don't know about when I do know about the security of the system for our ballots when they come in and um and what they do on the website.
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When one of those let me ask you one one other question, Ms.
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Klein.
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This is Barbara Klein from the League of Women Voters.
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When a ballot is sent out and it goes to someone, does is there any way of knowing who actually votes that ballot and sends it back?
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Yes, because the signature, first of all, they all have a unique barcode that goes out so they know who that um who that ballot went to.
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And um and if by chance this is kind of off the subject, but if by chance that person were to re-register, um like me, I don't happen to be registered with a major party.
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And if I were to decide I wanted to vote in the primary and I were to re-register, I might, if I re-registered kind of late in the system, I might receive two ballots, okay?
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And happens a lot.
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I Right, it does happen a lot.
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Does that sound like a good system?
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Yes, actually, it's an excellent system because Well, Ms.
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Klein, I'm gonna have to bring you back on another time.
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We'll continue this conversation, but that's Barbara Klein, the first vice president of the League of Women Voters.
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She said, Nothing to worry about.
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This system is safe, secure, and solid.
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You're listening to the Lars Larson show.
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Welcome back to the Lars Larson Show.
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It's a pleasure to be with you, and I want to talk about mail in voting.
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Uh the ballots went in the mail yesterday for Oregon.
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I'm not an Oregon voter.
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I was for decades, but I'm not these days.
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I vote in Washington State.
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But I saw this piece by Barbara Klein, who's the first vice president of the League of Women Voters, Oregon, and the action chair for the League in the Rogue Valley.
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Ms.
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Klein, I might consider you one of my ultimate naysayers, and I appreciate you coming on the program.
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Thank you.
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Well, you're welcome.
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Thank you for having me.
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You think that Oregon's vote by mail system is solid and secure and should not be questioned.
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Am I right?
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Am I right?
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Well, I wouldn't say anything shouldn't be questioned.
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We should always question what we have.
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But our concerns are are um more intricate than that.
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You know, polarization thrives on misinformation.
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And when we hear something outrageous or annoying and it makes us angry, we want to share it.
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But sometimes it isn't based on facts, you know, connecting dots that don't actually connect dots.
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And we're worried that some of the complaints about mail-in voting are sowing seeds of mistrust in our elections.
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So, you know, if you don't like the results, then you can just yell it was fraudulent no matter what the results were.
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And, you know, we have a constitutional democratic republic, and as voters, we need to participate in that.
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Consent of the govern is how the government should work, and only elections can ensure that, and we need to have trust in them.
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Okay.
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Let me ask you a couple of things.
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Um the Tobias Reed, the Secretary of State of Oregon, has just agreed, because Judicial Watch put the squeeze on him with a lawsuit, to remove eight hundred thousand ineligible voters from Oregon's voter rolls that only contained about three point two million uh registered voters.
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Is that not an indication that there was a problem if they had to remove a quarter of all the registered voters from the system because they were ineligible?
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Well, I shouldn't speak to that because I actually don't know about it.
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But um I would say that they regularly update the voter registration lists, and they have four ways of doing that.
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And I can't say for sure what you're talking about, um, although I'll I'll give you an opinion.
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But the four ways that you know they do it, they have Eric, which is the electronic, you know, registration information center, which is shares between states so that you can't vote in two states.
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Run by a private organization funded by liberal political groups, right, Ms.
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Klein?
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You might say so.
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But anyway, the national am I wrong?
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Is it is it funded by liberals or is it funded by conservatives?
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Many, many states have have joined in that.
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And I know some states have have come away from it, but I still think it's an excellent um source.
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And they also use the change of address system with the U.S.
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Postal Service.
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Um they do Oregon Health Authority, if something comes in there, the DMV and the election divisions.
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But you know, one thing I wanted to mention is that sometimes in um in our elections lists, we include both the active and inactive voters.
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It doesn't mean the inactive voters can um vote.
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They they can't.
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Oregon agreed to remove 800,000 ineligible voters.
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And that's not inactive, ineligible.
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And they've removed them, 800,000 of them.
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And I'm not the only one who has reported that.
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The fish rapper has reported it, Judicial Watch has reported it, even Tobias Reed's office has been on this show and talked about it.
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Let me ask you about something else.
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So it's only been two years since they found a couple of thousand foreign nationals registered to vote in Oregon's system.
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And then the Secretary of State said, but we're not going to bother to check the other registered voters to find other foreign nationals.
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We'll catch those as we go along.
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Is that is that a legitimate way to keep the system operating clean when you found a couple of thousand foreign nationals registered to vote?
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No.
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No, and I don't think that that's really the way they handle it.
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But you know, my very first vote ever, I pulled a lever behind a screen.
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Now that could be a bit scary.
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Where were those levers recording and um who was seeing it?
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Which has never been the system in Oregon, right?
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So we're talking about a different part of the I've lived in.
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Well, let me if you have hundred if you have thousands of foreign nationals registered to vote, and then you say, but we're not going to check the rest of the registered voters to find other foreign nationals, does that suggest there's a problem with the system that you say is safe and secure?
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I don't know about um what you're speaking about now.
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You don't know about them finding a couple of thousand registered voters who are foreign nationals.
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Not all were illegals, some were illegals, some were just foreign nationals and not citizens.
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I know about the I know about the ones the DMV had, and it was a mistake, and they took them off.
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I don't know about what you just said about the 800,000 ballots, and and that's what I'm concerned about.
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Um and I don't want to speak to the Aaron.
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If you're not even aware that the state of Oregon is in the middle of removing 800,000 registered voters that were ineligible?
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No, no, because I know how they handle things.
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And the other thing is that a lot of people haven't gone to the their own elections office.
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They don't know how it works, they don't see how things are verified, they don't see how signatures are verified.
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Um again, I just don't want to speak to the things I don't know about when I do know about the security of the system for our ballots when they come in and um and what they do on the website.
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When one of those let me ask you one one other question, Ms.
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Klein.
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This is Barbara Klein from the League of Women Voters.
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When a ballot is sent out and it goes to someone, does is there any way of knowing who actually votes that ballot and sends it back?
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Yes, because the signature, first of all, they all have a unique barcode that goes out so they know who that um who that ballot went to.
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And um and if by chance this is kind of off the subject, but if by chance that person were to re-register, um like me, I don't happen to be registered with a major party.
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And if I were to decide I wanted to vote in the primary and I were to re-register, I might, if I re-registered kind of late in the system, I might receive two ballots, okay?
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And happens a lot.
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I Right, it does happen a lot.
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Does that sound like a good system?
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Yes, actually, it's an excellent system because Well, Ms.
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Klein, I'm gonna have to bring you back on another time.
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We'll continue this conversation, but that's Barbara Klein, the first vice president of the League of Women Voters.
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She said, Nothing to worry about.
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This system is safe, secure, and solid.
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You're listening to the Lars Larson show.
