Interview with Len May on Genetics S14 E4

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You ever feel like anxiety is the uninvited roommate who
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eats all your snacks, rearranges your furniture, and then judges you? Yeah,
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me too. I'm Joseph Vivaldi, and with my co-author, Thomas Pecorino,
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we wrote Coping and Recovering from Anxiety. Not as gurus
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with all the answers, but as real people who've lived
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This messy, persistent, sometimes hilariously ridiculous journey. This book isn't
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about quick fixes or breathwork, even though there is breathing,
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that makes you feel worse before it makes you feel better.
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It's about you, your story, your nervous system, your wins,
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and your setbacks. We mix science with honest reflection and
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tools that actually work when your brain feels like it's
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on expresso at 3 a.m. We talk real symptoms, real
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coping strategies, And that awkward moment when your inner critic
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shows up to the party wearing your childhood trauma. If
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you're ready to stop just surviving anxiety and start understanding it,
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this is your companion. More than advice, support.
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More than.
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theory, practical daily tools. Pick up Coping Recovering from Anxiety.
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And let's take this step together. You've got more strength
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than you know. And this book is one of the
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flashlights for the path ahead.
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I am not gonna.
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Turn this into a sad breakup song But you left
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me depleted In every way my laptop dead My car
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gas needed, gas empty.
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Phone said need a charge.
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You really wanted me empty.
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But I'm getting the charge and getting it full.
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You may have depleted me, but my energy can be
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full somewhere else.
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So have a good life now. Got to go.
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I am not gonna turn this into a sad breakup song.
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But you left me depleted. In every way, my laptop dead.
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My car gas needed, gas empty. Phone said, need a charge.
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You may have depleted me But my energy Can be
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full somewhere else So have a good life now Got
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to go Have a good life now Got to.
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Go Yes, I am gone I am full now Got
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to go.
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Well, this is the Joseph Evaldi podcast. I have a
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host that I haven't introduced yet. It's not on the show.
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Len May. He'll be on the show if he can.
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If not, we'll see.
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But.
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Sometimes you gotta laugh at situations. I have not had
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the best of luck with Podmatch. I seriously think there's
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a Podmatch curse on me. Yes, if you can believe it,
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a Podmatch curse. Now, I have had nothing, nothing going
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away from me with Podmatch. Now, bad other stuff, no. But,
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I've had the Podmatch curse. I don't know if there
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is such a curse, but I have it. Because I've
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had people that no-showed. I couldn't show up for some
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of my stuff. I rescheduled and then something happened. And
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I had tech glitch. Now I have tech glitch over
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here again with the mute button not working and being
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in a locked position. Hell, nothing is doing right for
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me with this thing. Hold on. Hello?
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Alright, finally got it to work.
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You know.
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I'm bringing... I started the podcast already, but like... I'm
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with Len May, who is with Health and Wellness. And,
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you know... I was just talking before because... I don't
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even know if these things are going to be working
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or not, so I just go and do it anyway.
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So I believe I have a podcast curse. Not a podcast.
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I have a pod match curse on me.
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That's what you were saying in the end.
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It doesn't matter. Seriously, I mean, we could... Discuss with health.
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And wellness. Because I'm sure that this is. A part
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of health and wellness too. And especially with. You know
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going through a breakup. And everything else. Like this is
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a part of it. It's like. You know what do
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you do.
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When.
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Absolutely nothing goes right.
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Well I think mental health. Is a big part of
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physical health. It's all interconnected. So if you're not. If
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you're not getting really good mental health, it's going to
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affect your physical health. And your physical health affects your
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mental health. And you're on this hamster wheel. So, we
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have to do both.
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I got that because, you know... It's like... I'm laughing
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because I know it's true because just yesterday... Here I am,
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my ex-fiance, I can say that now, ex-fiance breaks up
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with me. She says I choose another guy. Here I am,
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I'm depressed, in bed, and I'm thinking, how do I
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get myself moving again? So that's where I apply my
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interests and stuff like that, so I'm back to podcasting again.
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Good for you. I think that creating the momentum allows
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you to, instead of pushing things uphill, allows you to
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kind of let things roll down. So I think you
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did a really good thing by forcing yourself to take action,
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do things you enjoy. And over time, things will change.
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I went through a divorce. what is it now, 13,
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almost 14 years ago. And I was together with my
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ex-wife for 18 years. So I understand what it's like
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to be in a depressive state. If you, so there's
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two ways to actually have this happen to you. One
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is it's sort of a paralyzing kind of feeling where
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you don't want to do anything. And by you not
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doing anything, things are done differently. you and with you
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without your participation and what happens is you make poor
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decisions you make no decisions at all but the consequences
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of that you have to deal with later so you
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have to take action even if it's uh something like
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something to change your neurochemistry and make you feel better
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uh exercise is a big part of that you know
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go to the gym go for a walk uh do
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things you like to do because it'll flood your bloodstream
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with endorphins and kind of make you feel.
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Better Yeah, I mean, I take that point because yesterday
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I was like, I wasn't eating anything. I'm like, I
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got to get myself to at least Dunkin' Donuts and
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get myself a $ 6 meal deal. Get something. But how
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did you get into the field that you did?
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Yeah, so I'll give you a little bit of background.
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I was born in a country called Lithuania. I used
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to be part of the Soviet Union, and I immigrated
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to the U.S. when I was about six years old.
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I lived in Philadelphia, and I was the kind of kid,
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you know, after learning language and all that stuff, I
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was the kind of kid that would sit in class.
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The teacher would call me. And my mind would be elsewhere.
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I wasn't paying attention. And I was always sort of
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daydreaming because I was bored. I was engaged. So I
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kept getting in trouble for talking and being disruptive. And,
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you know, my parents would be called in school. And
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my parents started taking me to doctors and all that stuff.
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And I was diagnosed with attention deficit disorder. So they
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put me on medication. I was like, okay, I never
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thought there was an issue, but everybody else I think did.
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So I was put on medication. Can't say it didn't work,
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but it didn't make me feel like myself. I was
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hanging out with these older kids in school. They asked
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me if I wanted to smoke a cigarette. I was like, yeah,
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I'll be cool smoking a cigarette. Back in the day,
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I'm old, so this was... Not that it was healthy,
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but we're talking about, you know, 80s. So... I was
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never questioned why they had one cigarette, but they passed
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it on the cigarette. I took a drag of it.
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It didn't taste like a cigarette to me, and they
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were laughing, and they put cannabis in the cigarette. So
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when I went back to class, the windows that were
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open in my head sort of narrowed, and I could focus.
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So that became sort of my go-to medicine. I gave
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up traditional, whatever, pharmaceutical medication. I started consuming plant medicines.
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My parents didn't like that too much. When I was
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almost 18, they kicked me out, tried to have me arrested,
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call the cops on me, all these different things. But
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the irony of it, my parents take formulations of my company.
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I have patents on now, and everything is fine. But
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the journey began there. So I went into corporate, and
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I'm an entrepreneur, so I had some companies I exited
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out of. And I was living in Philadelphia. My ex-wife
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was an actress who kept going back and forth to L.A.,
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finally moved, and like I said, got divorced a year
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later or separated and divorced. But I was sitting in
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a real estate office because I was a commercial real
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estate broker, and these guys came in, and they wanted
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to open an alternative pharmacy. I said, what is that?
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Nobody knew what they wanted to do. So I asked them.
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They said they really want to open up a dispensary,
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cannabis dispensary. I said, okay, where's your paperwork? Let's see
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if this is legitimate. They didn't know what I was
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talking about. Long story, a little bit longer, I promise.
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So I ended up helping them with their paperwork, and
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they offered me a partnership. So we ended up opening
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up a dispensary, and they're opening up four more dispensaries. And, uh,
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the thing that I kept seeing was two people consume
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the same varietal and have a completely different experience. So
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my ADD kicked into hyper focus mode. I started researching.
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I found a guy who was doing genetic sequencing of
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the plant. So I connected with him and I learned
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how to do genetic sequencing of plant material. And, uh, the,
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then I went into the human side. So my, um,
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My question was, we have plant or solution, I guess,
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plant material here, human genetics here. Let's bring those together
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and guide people to a personalized experience. So I launched
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EndoDNA with that in mind. Let's see if we can
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guide people to a personalized experience. And at first, it
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was a genetic test for your endocannabinoid system. And we
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have a patent on the use of DNA to make
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recommendations associated with the endocannabinoid system. So we did that
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for years and looking at genetic predispositions and all those
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other things. Like I said, we have patents, tens of
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thousands of customers. Then I'm going to call from a
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doctor friend of mine. And she said, listen, I'm seeing
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a lot of young women early or late 20s, early
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30s with perimenopause symptoms. And I'm seeing a lot of
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women with menopause symptoms that are having really adverse effects.
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Is there a way we can use genetics to maybe
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get ahead of that? Um, so I have a tendency
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to say yes and then figure it out later. I
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want you to say yes, of course. And then went
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back to my team and then we build a female
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hormone health test and then we build a male hormone
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health test, uh, for genetics. Um, so I'm giving this
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talk in front of a bunch of doctors and I'm
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going really deep into genetics. And at the end I said,
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anybody have any questions? It was like crickets, no questions.
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I'm like, ah, shit, must've not done a really great job.
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But my last slide had my name, my phone number,
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my email. Within 30 minutes, I started getting emails and
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texts from doctors that were asking questions. They didn't want
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their colleagues to know that they wanted to know because
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they didn't want to ask the wrong question, I guess,
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in front of their colleagues. And I came to the
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realization that they don't really understand genetics. So I went
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back to my team and I said, Listen, is there
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a way that we can create something that the doctor
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can chat with their DNA, that they can feel comfortable,
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that they can interrogate, they can learn everything and then
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have a conversation with you so we can personalize healthcare
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for individuals? So that's when we build our platform, BIOS,
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that allows a doctor to interrogate the genome. So basically
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how it works is … They do a DNA test.
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They can swab the inside of your cheek. They upload
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all the labs. So whatever blood work, biomarkers, anything else, scans, MRIs.
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And the platform will then give a doctor a suggested
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treatment plan that's specific to you. So it's personalized. The
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doctor goes in, approves or modifies it. Once they own
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that plan, the plan is also then in the patient portal.
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So the doctor has it and the patient has it.
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So now you are in partnership with your doctor for
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your own healthcare journey, and it personalizes the experience. And
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the last part of that is a feedback loop. How
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do we know how well this treatment is working for
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the individual? So the treatment, the feedback loop is through
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patient-reported outcome. You speak to it. The second thing is
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wearable device data. So anything that you wear, Apple Watch
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or Fitbit, et cetera, that data goes in. And also
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something called epigenetic testing. So we can actually track to
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see what's been turned off, what's been turned on, and
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that information goes back to the doctor. When he sees
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you next time, they can make adjustments. So it's really
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getting ahead of any conditions that you may have, and
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it truly is precision health care for the individual.
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I'll tell you, that's interesting, because I'm thinking of genetics,
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and I'm thinking of not just my disposition being a man,
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but my family.
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It's like.
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Me, my brother, my nephew, my dad, my grandfather, and, like,
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you know, it's like we all had this disposition. It's
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like we... It's like we tolerated or we endured a
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lot of struggle through our lives. And, you know, my...
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This is what happened, at least with my grandfather. He
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got burned badly in, like, a furnace. Working. And shot
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him out. He lived. To tell the tale. But, you know,
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it's like, even with women we deal with a lot,
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it's like the disposition, I mean. I mean, I'm sure
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genetics gotta play a role.
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Yeah. Well, so, if you don't mind, can I give
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you sort of an overview of genetics and then go
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into epigenetics so everybody kind of understands what it is
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that we're talking about?
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Oh, yeah, yeah, sure.
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So, we're born with DNA that 50% we get from
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our mother, 50% we get from our father. You know,
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everybody pretty much knows that. But what happens is maybe
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depending on the individual, maybe 20 to 30% of those
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genetic markers. And these are, these are your predispositions as
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you were just saying. So you're programmed with this in
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you already, but only. So if you kind of see
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like a visual, think about a big circuit breaker with
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a bunch of on off switches. So let's think about
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maybe 20, 30% of those on off switches turn on.
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So things like, Your hair color, your eye color, skin color,
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things of that nature, they're turned on. The rest of
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our genetic predispositions are turned on based on lifestyle. And
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what I mean by that is the first thing is
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what we put in our bodies. So the food that
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we consume. the minerals, the vitamins, all that, they can
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control the what is called the epigenetic expression. So that's
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the switch that's turning on. The second thing is our
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exposure to things like pesticides and things that can affect
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our genetics that are outside, like chemicals and all those
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things that are outside of ourselves. And the third is
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our own neurochemistry. And what I mean by that is
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if we are producing... stress like if we're having stress
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and we're we're secreting a lot of cortisol when it
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shouldn't be secreted like cortisol is what wakes us up
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in the morning if you're always in fight or flight
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and you're having that cortisol excretion during the day that
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can affect your epigenetic expression as well so understanding that
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what by knowing your genetic predisposition predisposition think of it
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as your gps of life so to give you an
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example of that I live in Los Angeles. I'm from Philadelphia.
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So I can get in my car and I can
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drive from LA to Philly 3,000 miles with no GPS.
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Maybe I can have my old school map. Now, I'm
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going to get there eventually, but there's a cost associated
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with that. And what I mean by that is we're
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going to make the wrong turn, we're going to get
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off the wrong road, we're going to get in traffic,
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all those different things. Now, when you put in the
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address in your GPS, your GPS is going to show
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you where those traffic jams, where the potholes are in
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the road. So your DNA, knowing this, is your personal
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life's GPS. It's going to show you where your personal
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potholes are in the road so you can take effective
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action effectively. To not step in those potholes. That's kind
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of how it works.
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Isn't it kind of like... And this is where I'm...
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Correct me if I'm wrong. It's like, let's just say...
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My grandfather smoked cigarettes. Let's just say if I smoke
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a cigarette... Does it activate... That gene pool and like that...
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Not gene pool, but that... You know, set of characteristics
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and not just the smoking, but what he went through
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or something like that. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong.
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It's a really good question. Just because your family has
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a genetic predisposition, it doesn't mean... from generation to generation.
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Some of them do. Some of them pass on as
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recessive genes. So I'll use sort of your example. My
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grandfather had an issue with alcohol. He passed away young
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and he had strokes, a lot of health issues. And
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if I didn't know back then because I was a
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little kid, but if he had a genetic predisposition of
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alcohol dependence, that alcohol dependence gene could be passed on
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to me. Now, if I don't know this about myself,
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and this is two generations removed, and I'm drinking alcohol,
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that consumption of alcohol can trigger my epigenetic expression of
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my alcohol dependence genes. So now I've become dependent on
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alcohol because it's genetic to me. And in addition to that,
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what's called polygenic, that means multiple genes are involved, if
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I also have an impulsivity gene, Now, I'm combining my
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alcohol dependence with my impulsivity, so now it becomes an
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issue that I can control. But knowing this about yourself
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will allow you to make lifestyle choices that maybe will
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mitigate that from expressing itself.
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I mean, that kind of happened, not, I mean, that
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could happen with me. It's like, let's just say, like,
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my grandfather on the other side He was on alcohol
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and stuff like that. It was like... And then I
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had something, you know, which I won't get into. I
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had alcohol, like, on Saturday. And then I could have
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gone down that road and I have the impulsivity, like,
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it could trigger that, but I'm like, I have to know...
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understanding my family line, I could be like, I could
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go here or not.
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Yeah, knowing this about your family genetic history, but also
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knowing it about yourself. Because sometimes, just because you have
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a gene for it, it doesn't mean it's going to
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turn itself on. And sometimes, like, I'll give you another example.
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I did my parents' DNA test. So my mom had
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all these different anxiety and depression markers or mood markers,
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all of them, like stress reactivity, PTSD, you know, depressive moods.
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My dad had none, not one. I inherited one, just
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one depressive marker. So I don't have any of the
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anxiety markers. So just one. Because your parents have that.
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It doesn't mean that you can inherit it. Or maybe
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you inherited one or none at all. Or you could
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inherit all of them. So knowing this about yourself will
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help you guide your life better.
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You know, I inherited OCD, bipolar, depression. Like, I inherited
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a lot. And, you know, it reminds me. I was watching,
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I don't know if you heard of this hockey player,
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Corey Hirsch. Like, I'll get into his story. He was
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the guy who let up the gold medal, gold medal
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goal in one of the Olympics. And he was actually
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experiencing OCD. Like, he had depression, he had compulsive thoughts
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and stuff like that. And I'm sure that goal kept
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on going over in his head and, you know, stuff
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like that. And like, he actually speaks about it today.
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And like, I mean, sure.
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So, yeah, it's a great example. It's a wonderful example. So,
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you know, we, we, we worked with a lot of
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athletes and also a lot of veterans. Uh, so, The
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wonderful example you used, let me see if I can
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show you how the genetics may be involved in that.
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So let's say that I'm walking down the street and
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a car comes out of nowhere and almost hits me.
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I'm going to have a stressful event. So my neurochemicals
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are going to excrete. I'm going to have some dopamine,
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some adrenaline, some norepinephrine, some cortisol. All that is going
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into my bloodstream. Now what I realize... I'm safe. There's
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no lion chasing me in the jungle. Everything's calm. There's
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a reuptake of those neurochemicals. So those chemicals that are released,
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they're taken back up in the body. And your brain
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releases new neurochemicals to get you to what's called homeostasis,
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which is balance. Now those neurochemicals are released. If you
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have a genetic predisposition that you're metabolizing, you're breaking down
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one of those neurochemicals that gets you back to balance.
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So you're not producing enough of that. that cortisol that
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you just secreted can stay longer in your bloodstream. Now,
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if somebody's predisposed to stress reactivity, that cortisol that's there
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can trigger that stress reactivity. So now you can feel stress,
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additional stress, when you don't need to because nothing is happening,
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but you're still having that feeling. The second gene that.
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Can be turned on is your PTSD gene. So now
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you're actually, as you just mentioned, you're thinking about that
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PTSD gene. And the third is fear extinction. So there's
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a genetic predisposition to a slow rate of fear extinction
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or a.
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Fast rate of fear extinction. And what that means is
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a real traumatic event in our life. When I was
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a kid, I was hit by a car on my bicycle.
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I'm fine, obviously, but that under a lot of duress,
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we have a stressful event. We'll usually take our trauma
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and store it in our subconscious. But under duress, that
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traumatic event can be pulled up, and you have to
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deal with that in a moment. So the hockey player
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that you're talking about, you can have those multiple epigenetic expressions.
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So not only is it dealing with, hey, somebody cut
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me off in traffic, but, oh, shit, that goal that happened.
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And it brings it up to the surface. So whatever
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trauma you have. So knowing this about yourself. You can
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mitigate that. That's a great example you brought up.
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With Corey Hurst. But getting back to the accident thing.
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I was on the other end of it. Like it
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was night. I hit someone. Not going into detail. But
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I had that plane over my head. Over and over.
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It's like every time I make that turn. I stopped.
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Make sure, like, no one is coming in turn, even
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though I'm risking a car hitting me and trying to
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kill me.
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Yeah, well, you have that PTSD, and you're trying to
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be careful from a situation that happened to you previously.
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Yeah, yeah, and, like, it's like with the PTSD, is
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like is there a thing called emotional PTSD.
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Well it's all emotional right so it starts with brain
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neurochemistry as we started talking when we first began the
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brain and body are interconnected your neurochemicals, a lot of
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them are secreted in your gut. So your serotonin, your oxytocin,
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all these feel-good chemicals are in your gut. And what
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happens is that your brain sends a signal of something,
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and it goes to what's called the vagus nerve, which
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is the longest nerve in our bodies, and it goes
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to the gut. And our gut secretes those neurochemicals, whatever
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we want to feel, the happy chemicals or the sad ones,
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whatever that is that's making us feel a certain way.
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that's the creator of the gut. So everything is connected.
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And if you want to make some changes in your neurochemistry,
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you can do that through physical activity. If you want
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to make changes to your neuro, uh, to your physical activity,
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you have to start, you know, changing your thought patterns
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as well and doing things that you like. So we're
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completely interconnected. And by using, by using physical activity, by practicing,
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using food as supplements, all those things help your brain
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chemistry to work better. So we have to listen to
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that because our brain is sending us those signals and
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we ignore them. Then it goes into our body and
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our body sending, I'll give you, I'll give you another example.
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So you go to the doctor, your elbow hurts. And
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when your elbow hurts, you go to the doctor and say, Hey,
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my elbow hurts. And the doctor says, uh, did you
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hit your elbow? Say, no. Were you playing tennis? No. Hmm. Well,
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I don't know why it hurts, but I have a
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solution for you. I can give you a pill. I
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can give you some medication for that. Or I can
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give you an injection in your elbow. Which one would
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you prefer? Say, all right, well, I'll take the injection
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because it's going to alleviate the pain quicker. Okay, so
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two months go by. I have the same thing. I
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go back, get another injection. No reason. Nobody asked why
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my elbow hurts. Like nobody got to the bottom of it.
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So we don't know the root cause. The root cause
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can be stress. So that cortisol that's there, it can
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be actually creating an overactive immune response. My immune system
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is overreacting to something. It's creating inflammation in my joints.
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So I'm treating something, the symptom of my elbow hurting,
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but I never address the root cause of what may
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be causing that elbow to hurt in the first place.
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So this is where we need to do better as
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a society and as healthcare practitioners to find out the
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root cause.
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Yeah, I mean, I agree with that because I'm thinking,
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I mean, I was in my mind, I was thinking
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about my situation. I was thinking getting back to the
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coming full circle and I was thinking about the breakup.
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And I was thinking, like, I had, like, I even
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had a conversation with her previously and I was like,
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you know, I have all these things, you know. I
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got to like, it's either feel it or move on
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from it or something like that. I mean, I, because
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once the wound open closes, it could be open again.
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So it's like, you know, it's like, why was I depressed?
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Situations with her, not just being depressed.
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Right. I mean, so you said you, you may be
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exposed to that. the situation itself is triggering your expression.
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So by removing yourself from that situation and making lifestyle
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changes for yourself, that can change your feeling as well.
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And like I said, you know, you were mentioning like donuts, right? Yeah.
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So sugar is interesting because sugar is extremely addictive. So
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we are, we have, so many receptors for sugar that
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makes us crave more sugar when we have that. But
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it gives you a false sense of feeling good, I guess,
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because it gives you that squirt of neurochemistry, and then
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it takes it away, and then you want more. So
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it's actually giving that feeling, and then if you don't
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have it, it's... This different neurochemistry makes you feel worse
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until you have it again. So you're in this revolving
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kind of wheel of sugar, feeling good for a second.
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Now I'm not feeling good at all, and I need more.
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These are the things that I think, like, food companies
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with additives and all that, so they put it in
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so we feel dependent on the food, and it goes
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away to make us feel a certain way. But I
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think eating... putting good things in our bodies will secrete
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better neurochemicals and will make us feel better longer. Maybe
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it's not an immediate fix, but it's something.
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We can kind of later on down the line. So
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it's not Taco Bell every day.
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I understand Taco Bell. But going out at 3 o'clock
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in the morning. But you're missing the nourishment and the
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minerals and all the things that are good in your
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body for long term. But everybody should do what they
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want to do. I think we're free to make those choices.
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But they definitely, your food choices affect your moods 100%.
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Yeah, I take that point and it's like, you know,
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it's like, I think when you're in a certain area,
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correct me if I'm wrong, if you're in a certain area,
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you're disposed to a certain amount of foods, places to
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go and stuff like that. You get stuck in the
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routine of things and you eat and you're stuck with
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the same foods. It's like when you go other places,
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they might have a different regimen of food.
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Yeah, I mean, there's definitely limitations in certain neighborhoods to
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your choices. But within every single place that you go,
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like fast food, a lot of it's not real food.
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It doesn't have the nutritional value of food. You feel satiated,
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but you feel satiated temporarily. You know, you can go,
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anybody can go, even a 99 cent store has real
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food that they sell. Don't buy the things in the jar.
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Don't buy the things in the can. You need, you
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need a combination of those things, but we're in a
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society that's always looking for speed how quickly can we
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get I need to eat I need to go it's
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quick I don't need to think okay well it's your
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fast food that's really what you're putting in your body
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that's not real food it's going to make you taste
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good right it's going to make you feel good but
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it's going to go away really quickly because it doesn't
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have that nutritional value.
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I know we're getting to the 32-minute mark, and I
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know you got, like, stuff to do today. Like, I mean,
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I got to get this up and running. But, you know,
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thinking one last note with the podcasting, it's like podcasting
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with Speed 2, it's like I could keep on putting
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stuff out there, but what gets to the gear of
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what really matters the most?
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I think that creating things that you enjoy and having
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conversations with the people that you like talking to, you
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find an audience. I have my own podcast and some
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episodes do really well, some don't. I don't have control
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of the outcome. My thought process in this is is
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I can only control what I can control, which is
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my action. So if I'm on the show and we're
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having a conversation, the outcome of what happens after is
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outside of my control. So when I let go of
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the expectation of the outcome, I am present to the
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process of having this conversation. Now it's in the ether,
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and it's out of my control.
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Hey, I enjoyed... I enjoy this podcast. This was a
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good podcast. You shared a lot of very good stuff,
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and I think we did good with this one. Is
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there anything that you'd like to plug before we sign out?
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Sure. Customers usually... healthcare practitioner but what called the company's
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called endodna the website's endodna e-n-d-o d-n-a dot com uh
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you can find me in all the social networks i'm
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under len may l-e-n-m-a-y i think instagram i'm len may
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d-n-a but you can look up len may uh and
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i have a new book out came out about six
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months ago it's uh adhd is your superpower basically and
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i'll call it it's called jack of all trades master
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of some it is the connection between adhd and polymaths
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uh rewiring the modern genius so if you don't know
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what a polymath is i would suggest you get the
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book because your adhd uh can actually be used as
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a superpower instead of something that's.
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A crutch nice and i'll have uh Because this is
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recording and audio, so I'm going to have those links
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in the description.
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That's right. Got it. Okay.
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Sounds good. And I'll have everything there. So, Leland, thank
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you for being on the podcast.
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Thank you. Appreciate you having me on.
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And this is the Joseph Vivaldi Podcast, signing out. Oh,
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