Five Survive Part 3

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hey, and welcome to the Jolly Reader.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host, Captain Book, and today we're covering the last, the final part of 5 Survive by Holly Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is part 3, chapters 31 through 40 pages 264 through 386.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just a friendly reminder that it's not audio book, it's just a fun coverage podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do some recap with some major spoilers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you haven't listened to one or two parts, go back and do that because it's coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Drum roll please.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, Peach of the Grandparents, because we lost Dawn and why can't I think of the wife's name?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's because he's the main focus of that chapter, but it ruined my life last time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Oliver and Reina broke up, because she essentially was cheating on him, but we don't feel better Oliver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, good for you Reina.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also Oliver murdered her boyfriend, inadvertently, like, punch him in the face, and then he had, I would assume like, aneurysm or something or a brain bleed, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever, he died accidentally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then Red has a secret.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where we last left off because I remember okay so my last note last time was that Red is yelling at all of her to stop and says it's me I'm the one with a secret.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where we last left off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, oh, things look forward to, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My notes say, bro, I don't know what's chaos down here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It truly is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The last like four chapters are just absolute chaos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Five survived, allegedly, because we're very less down in his wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't count that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Oliver just like completely goes off the deep end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been going off the deep end, both parts, even in the first part, he's going off the deep end, but like, it gets real bad, real fast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chapter 31, 4 a.m. Red starts to tell her secret.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she is the witness in the Frank Gotti mob case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just a recap of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any notes on it, so I'm just free, free form recap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a guy who was like head of the mob.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He died, so then it's up for grabs between these three other people who in the family gets to be like head of the mob and Frank,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say Frank murdered one of the other guys his sibling to become head of this mafia where are they at Chicago St. Louis?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where they live, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maddie and Oliver's mom is the lawyer on the case and if she wins the case she'll become DA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like a big deal to everyone's connected to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So red says that, oh, and they're oh gosh, okay, so the whole point is there's a witness saying that Frank, they saw Frank killed this guy and that's like a big deal obviously because originally in the first section, I know I'm kind of like recapping a lot, but it's important obviously in the first section,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the RV's situation because they were trying to get the name of the witness out of either them or their mom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was like whatever all connected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, Red explains that she was walking past the park at nine in the evening and she heard two gunshots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she hit in a bush near the dumpsters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then she heard footsteps and saw a man walk by.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She like it describes him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But later she identifies him from photos from the police as Frank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and he had just murdered Joseph, that's who was shot, but she didn't know that at the time, and once she saw the news that there had been a murder in the area she was in, she called the police.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Oliver is upset and asking her questions about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And once to know, why his mom would be representing Red, like that's some sort of coincidence, like, how does this all connect and line up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Maddie explains,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Red confirms that this is true, but Katherine, who's Maddie and Oliver's mom, just wants to take care of Red.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't have that since Red's mom died.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red had just turned 18, she didn't need permission from her dad to testify.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Red also talks about how it's pretty impossible for anyone to know it was her as the witness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She knows she has a secret, but she's not 100% sure it's connected to the sniper outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red also mentions that was only one part of the plan was being the witness and she can't reveal the second part and it doesn't really matter in this moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We do obviously get to that second part of the plan and find out what that is later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of her is really mad when is he not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's basically yelling at Red asking her why she didn't tell them immediately, which is...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't make me pay an Oliver sympathizer, but like it's kind of valid like everyone I honestly feel like what they should have done when they first this whole walking talking situation someone has secret blah blah They should all set down and be like literally everyone's gonna tell a secret whether you think it's yours or not you're going to tell a secret We're going to go around and tell our dark secrets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like Rainer and Oliver will talk about her acts
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[SPEAKER_00]: Simon would talk about his dad or his dad, whatever, his uncle may be stealing the RB.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red should talk about this, Maddie and Arthur secrets come out later, like they need to just all list them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, he's mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, why didn't you tell us, and she does reiterate that she didn't think that anyone could know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she didn't think her secret was relevant, because only their mom and like, probably some other lawyers know she's the witness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red says that she believed Oliver when he said that he thought that they were probably trying to get their mom, Katherine, to say who the witness was, and she was wrong for keeping this secret Red says that, but Oliver was wrong too for all his stupid situations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oliver also tries to blame Red for the grandparents, Don and his wife being murdered, although he can't even remember their names, now I'm one to talk because I don't know her name, but also I didn't witness them get their head blown off and I didn't cause it, so I will give myself a pass, but he's just more worried about his own safety, always.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red points out that she tried to stop him from sending the note as well, so it's his fault.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just love how everyone's doubling down on Oliver literally murdering these people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then Oliver, oh gosh, okay, Oliver now says that red just needs to leave the arby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kicking her out, which is crazy because obviously there's a sniper outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically he wants to kick her out to save the rest of them because he believes they're the only or she is the only one that they want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now throughout this whole section, I don't know why they don't just use the walkie talkie to talk to the bad guy and ask if this is like the secret they're looking for and then go from there because which they don't, they do not walkie talkie the bad guy at all throughout this whole section, but they should have, you know, I wanted to talk, I'm not trapped in RV but still.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They should have gone, hey, um, red is the one with the secret about a murder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that correct?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they probably confirm it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she'd be like blah blah blah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the witness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want for me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How can I get my friends out?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they could probably strike a deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like regardless, she probably gonna die either way for having the secret if that's the one they want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, there's gonna be a lot of re-inting this episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oliver wanted to leave the RV to save everyone and Simon and Arthur are defending her pretty hard This has been seen throughout though and saying she didn't do anything wrong Why should she have to die because of it also?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's really not doing anything wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a witness in a murder, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's she just wrong place wrong time So they say Oliver actually killed someone Okay, right now's boyfriend and he wasn't even prepared to leave the RV for that situation Oliver doesn't like anything besides himself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Come on
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Oliver tells Red that she just needs to accept what's happening and she needs to protect all of them and her best friend Maddie by leaving the RV and Maddie is telling her no, but obviously no one wants to die either and Oliver says they're going to vote on it anonymously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So everyone can say their true feelings about whether she should leave the RV or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have a little asteric note that I wrote in the moment and it says I feel like who's going to vote for her to leave because only Oliver wants that but the two boys won't being Arthur and Simon and I can't imagine Maddie Wood because that's her best friend and I really can't imagine Reina Wood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was my thoughts in the moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to that after the voting process happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: chapter 32.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're all gonna vote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why everyone's really going along with this, but probably just to shut all of her up, because I think most people probably assume that they're gonna vote for her to stay in the arts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So originally, Arthur refuses, like, I'm not voting on this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Oliver says, then fine, you're gonna forfeit your vote if you don't want to or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, ha!
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all fairness all of her says that Red does not get a vote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which, why would it be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean we know, okay, like let's be 100% honest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know Red is gonna vote for herself to not leave the RB and die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know all of her since it was his idea is going to vote for Red to die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know why they don't just leave it up to the other four of them to vote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because their votes are gonna cancel each other out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, Brad breaks it down a couple of times throughout this section and just says, they're voting if I live or die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Period.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not voting for me to leave the RV.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're voting on my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Maddie gets out of these pens, uh, which all of our drugs are to do, and they get pieces of paper break it up blah blah blah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to put all the votes in a bowl, so it's all anonymous, and Arthur walks over and is holding Reds' hand, and he ultimately decides to vote, because he kind of thinks it over, and it's kind of implied slash I assume that he's thinking about what if my votes are deciding to vote, what if it's a tie, and I can say per.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Throughout this, and I can say now, through the rest of the read really thinks about her mom a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is one of those things where I can't fully cover all the trauma and her entertaining about her mom on the podcast is just too much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This book was actually pretty long, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: As I always say, go read the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's this one honestly like go read it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look at that in the end I was kind of lukewarm about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a hundred percent honest, but that's just my reading style.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're going to vote yes if they wanted to leave the RB and know if they wanted to stay Which is kind of crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I feel like that's opposite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like it's yes because it was yes for Oliver's idea, like God forbid he's a negative word.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're all writing down their answers and reds like kind of looking around at everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She says Maddie's writing it, covering the paper with her hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arthur already finishes and is pretty much a guaranteed know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Simon's looking up at the ceiling with the pen in his mouth and then he starts writing shortly after.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rain is writing with her leg up and Oliver's done quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know what he art about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So without further ado, here are the results.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First, Slip says no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll just assume that one is Arthur.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Second, Slip says yes, but that's okay, because we know there's gonna be a least one, because that's Oliver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Third, Slip says no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fourth, Slip says yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this means that other than Oliver, someone voted for her off the island, for her to go die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I say, I'm gonna say Simon Arena probably, but who knows?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have, that's my lingering questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Spoiler, we don't find out who voted out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the last vote is in the next chapter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: after 33.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the final though is no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red, our main character, is not going to die yet, as far as we know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maddie goes over to Hug Red and says, like, it's okay, you're okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red said, she's fine, even though she's very much not fine, because she keeps thinking about like, she has another enemy in the RV.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she knew Oliver was pretty much everyone's enemy, but Maddie's, but now there's someone else that voted against her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's feeling more and more
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Simon asks what they do now because no one voted her off the island.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't really know what to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then Oliver walks over to Red and he's like, I'm sorry, Red, and she describes his voice as being too nice and then she starts screaming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is because Oliver has pinned her arms against her body and is picking her up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's much larger than her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Maddie and Arthur are now screaming, saying don't, don't, but it's too late, and Oliver throws red out of the RV and slams the door shut behind her, and she just kind of on the ground next to the RV like freaking out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And from where she's at, she says she can see Don and every detail, which is described, and he's still looking over at his wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then she can only see the feet of the wife laying there just from the ail she's at and red can only imagine what's about to happen to her and she can hear people inside of the RV screaming open the door and move like obviously they're fighting to get to red and red's trying to get up underneath but she's basically collapsed and she's overly tired because they've been up all night and the trauma and she's just freaking out I don't like to give a lot of people a lot of leeway when it comes to survival instincts but we're going to give red a pass because
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[SPEAKER_00]: also where do you even go?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you run you're gonna get shot and you're gonna just hope you're behind the RV to the point where they can't really see I guess so anyway red here is Arthur Gelling Simon help help help then red sees the red dot on her checkered shirt going up and down like framing her buttons
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the sniper is on her and she closes her eyes and she thinks about is this how my mom felt when she died It's my fault my mom died and it's gonna be my mom's fault that I'm gonna die because of my mom didn't die Wouldn't be in this situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We wouldn't be in this RV like blah blah blah blah So it's just as whole like really traumatic situation
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[SPEAKER_00]: and red describes it as feeling like lifetimes and there hasn't been a shop fired yet and then she hears screams and shouts and crashing from the RV and the door flies open and Arthur has his arms around her and is dragging her back into the RV and he's screaming at Matty to pull the door shut when she does and red's just sitting there screaming at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: after 34.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first note says, I hate Oliver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Winded, I not hate Oliver, but whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, red is in complete shock, and she's shaking, and they're trying to tell her, like, he didn't shoot you, you're going to be okay, you're going to be okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Reina and Maddie and Arthur, I feel like are clearly on red side through all this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm kind of like maybe Simon voted for her to leave the RV, but then like regretted it almost immediately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's just a vibe I'm getting like this is not confirmed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's never confirmed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Maddie loves her best friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she would betray her even, following her brother's orders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And especially because of the anonymous note, so Oliver would never know what she voted unless a literally everyone voted for her read to stay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then he would just look like an idiot because everyone betrayed him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rain is probably voting opposite of all of our no matter what his idea and she has not wanted to do stupid things throughout all of this Arthur has crushed on red, so I'm gonna roll him out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I leave anyone out?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just Simon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See, I kind of feel like Simon was just scared for his life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he thought maybe she'd be okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because no, Simon was the one that got shot at in the mirror when they did a little mirror trick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, Oliver's asking Red over and over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why did this sniper not take a shot at you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, I don't know, because she really doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he just keeps saying over and over like, why are you immune and not us?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like whatever, he's jealous, he's stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he decides that Red's working for them and that she's the mole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why they wouldn't kill her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he starts flipping out again like he did earlier thing and everyone's a mole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Maddie points out, she's the witness in the trial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So why would she be the mole?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like those two things contradict each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Oliver's like, well, she could have lied to us about being the witness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, just so you guys know, she's not lying about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She is the witness in the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She tells us she is a reliable narrator in what she's telling the reader and she says she is the witness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Oliver suits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Oliver says like his proof of this is like she was the one directing Reina to get us down this road.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was the one that said the walkie talkie wasn't bug when they open that up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's the one that told them that she's the witness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that could have been a lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Oliver even says she's probably working with these people because she's poor which Red feels really bad She's like so everyone knows I'm poor and I'm like girl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty obvious Oliver makes Red put her hands up Or he can see them and she describes it as she's so tired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She can barely keep her elbows up She's got him like clenched into her ribs and Oliver was just being like a nightmare.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, hey, that's up there
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then Oliver gets his phone out of the oven that was in a container that was tape shut, who cares, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He starts playing the music really loud again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Since the walkie-talkie can hear them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, supposedly, I don't know, he's being psycho.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's playing the music so they can talk without the killer or whatever hearing them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Oliver decides that Red can leave the RV without getting shot so she's immune and she can escape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess this is stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the snipers watch her get pushed out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is just my own little side note.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And realize that there's some sort of muting going on probably and watch to play out through his sight and didn't shoot her because Oliver's so stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that is a reasonable explanation that if I'm a sniper, I'm trying to get this information, I'm torturing them whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see someone get pushed out of the RV, I'm not shooting because I want to know what the heck's going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are they going to push out?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is maybe the walkie talkie me and be like, hey, we pushed out this person you want, take them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as a sniper, I'd probably watch this situation play out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they do know in this chapter that Red was outside the RV for over three minutes, which is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all of her bottom line does not trust Red and his grand plan, this is Dorpie music play now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His grand plan, since Maddie is a similar size to Red, is to dress Maddie up like Red, because she's immune, so switch their clothes, and he sure they would not shoot Red for some reason, but he is no idea why they wouldn't shoot Red.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Maddie dresses Red can get the keys from
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[SPEAKER_00]: Simon said that he saw Don holding them when they were talking about this game before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she can get the keys from his hand, get in their car, drive off, get service, or call the police, or get to it in other house, or whatever the case may be, and get out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he tells her you need to go super slow, so they're not suspicious of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what's not suspicious about escaping, but whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he also directs Maddie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: don't look at Don's head, just get the keys, and out of his hand, and get in the car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing's ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arthur and Red say as much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so does Rain out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, this is a stupid plane, all of our, you're crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Oliver's kind of like a baby, being madty, to try to like get her to do it once.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you're such a good girl, and you can do this, and it's all gonna be okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, we're the love boys, and that's what we're last name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, we're better than everyone blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's just kind of nodding, but you can tell she's scared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she doesn't really want to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then red gets super duper man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she says this whole thing, I'm just going to read it, read this quote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's from page 300, but I typed out my notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So red saying this to Oliver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you making her do this Oliver?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know it will work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know why they let me live just then and not because I'm working with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care if you believe me, but we both care about Maddie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not expendable just a pawn for you to use in one of your plans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How many of those have gone right for you tonight?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: None of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't send her out there in front of a rifle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If Maddie doesn't want to do this, then she doesn't have to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't manipulate or bully her into it or throw her out like you did me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which very much needed to be said, and I'm so happy it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Oliver's yelling and he once read to take off her clothes, which he has mentioned earlier, like in a earlier chapter because he wanted to check if she had a wire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got kind of confused when I take my notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wants some of Switch clothes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, he just told his stupid plan, but when I was taking notes, I don't know if I paused in between or whatever, but that's why not to look for a wire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it's like two birds one stone, but whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Reds like no, I'm not doing that and takes his step towards him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I'm not listening to you anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all of her kind of leans back on this table that he's backed up against.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he grabs that huge kitchen knife that they got out in the first book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Simon got it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks a lot, Simon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's holding it to Reds neck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, I will only ask you one more time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take off your clothes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She after 35.
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[SPEAKER_00]: this is crazy bro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as a woman, this is horrifying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean as a man too, I'm sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do I need to elaborate on why this is crazy that Oliver is holding a knife to her neck and telling her to take her clothes off like holy cow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So chapter 35, Reina is yelling at Oliver to put the knife down, but obviously he won't do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red's trying to figure out all of her would actually hurt her, but she doesn't know this version of him and he obviously just threw her out the RV and wanted her to die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also let two innocent people die, which was like my opinion completely his fault.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also there was something else crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He fought freaking Arthur was choking him out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was one more thing that he did that was like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he threatened to light the whole RV on fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, Oliver's yelling, take your clothes off again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Maddie can get changed for them for my stupid plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red's like, well, can I least get clothes to change into?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oliver's like, fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he sends Simon to go pick out clothes for her to wear, which is...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Described in more detail than I'm going to, but it just talks about how like she's poor and has nothing and it's kind of embarrassing that like a boy has picked out her clothes Whatever whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She is still trying to get all over to children's like I'm not working with a sniper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't believe her It's also noted which is not very important, but it just kind of drives home like how poor red is that she had to switch shoes with Matty because she doesn't own another pair of shoes She brought her one pair
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that's not too loud, but I had to turn my space here wrong because I'm cold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, our third ask is if we can go into the bathroom change, but Oliver's like, no, we can't trust her, we have to watch this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, in the big picture of everything going on, Red really doesn't care to be standing in her underwear and from everyone like, we got bare problems, we literally just watch two people get their heads blown off, so like a little bit of me in my underwear is like not that big of a deal, but it's more of like Oliver being a nightmare that's scary, not that undressing is embarrassing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So after she changes clothes, Oliver tells Maddie to get changed in the bathroom because she gets dignity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Reina asks Red from across RV if she's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's just showing like that kind of bond.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maddie comes out of bathroom and Oliver tells her to put her hair up like reds, which I believe is a ponytail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then without her consent, Oliver grabs Maddie's ponytail and just like chops it off with scissors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like in a really crude way because her hair is longer than reds and then he's like messed it up so it looks more like reds crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I get there in dire situation but that is like, oh, like that's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So red also sees the scissors sitting on the table and she thinks about how like that could be a weapon as well and she makes a really good comparison to rock paper scissors and she's like I'm gonna game that's rifle knife and scissors and I'm not gonna win with these scissors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then Oliver gets Reina, Maddie, and Simon's phones out of the, whatever, Pan, because they all have different services, and then he's going to give it to Maddie, so when she drives off like whoever gets service first or whatever, then he instructs his sister to get the keys out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don's hands go straight to the truck, shut the door.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Back up, turn around and drive out of there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really sure why she has to turn around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not really described because it's talking about like, I don't know if Dawn, if they turned around to face CRV when they arrived.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also if they're going home, you could also keep just driving that direction because that implies that there's other homes up there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like turning around seems rather risky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, he tells her to do everything slow and then speed up once she gets past the trees and floor and get help or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also mention that they're on McNair, cemetery road, so when she needs to get help, like she knows, Arthur keeps telling Maddie not to do this because it's too risky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: asking Red to like back him up what she does and Oliver keeps threatening them telling them both to shut up He's like threatening them with a knife and Manny tells them she's like, I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I trust Oliver I can do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why would anyone trust Oliver?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like blood is but I okay Before we get into this next part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate when people are like that's your dad That's your cousin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's your whatever who cares?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay Ted Bundy he had kids like what do we care?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do we care?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, are we really going to go to Ted Bunny's daughter and be like, well, Ted Bunny's your dad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you need to forgive him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Forget that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also Oliver's not Ted Bunny, but my point being is it's really stupid when people try to say, well, they're family, so they can just be awful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, she trusts all of her who cares.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Maddie starts to walk out the door while all of her fake yells, Red, where are you going?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red, Red, like the sniper can even hear them, but he thinks the whole place is bug.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Red sees Maddie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, all of her kinda has Red push against the front window so they can see what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red sees Maddie, and she's already gotten the keys from Don's hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't see that interaction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She just sees the keys in Maddie's hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's a few feet from the truck now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then...
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[SPEAKER_00]: 5 a.m. Chapter 30 sick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maddie folds forward and drops to the ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy!
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[SPEAKER_00]: Moment of silence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red and pretty much everyone else is screaming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they hear Maddie start screaming and Red realized like she's alive, but she is her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red yells that she has to go get Maddie and Maddie's still screaming, help me help me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red's like, forget you guys, she runs out of the RV.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She jumps over Don's body, gets on her knees by Maddie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maddie's been shot in the leg and it's mentioned several times that there was a lot of blood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's already pulling around her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also mentioned later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I have my note that they're worried
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[SPEAKER_00]: They made a hit, uh, main artery and her leg, and that's why it's bleeding so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, Red tells Maddie this is going to hurt, but I have to drag you back to the RV, like you have to work with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red starts dragging Maddie, but Maddie is like, oh my god, please stop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It hurts so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't keep going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red's like, I'm sorry, but we got to keep going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm dragging you to this RV.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She even has to drag her over Don's body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Maddie's feet are going over Don, but also like real talk, I'm dragging you as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, no stopping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just going to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when she gets to the RV door, Arthur helps pull Maddie in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's holding her arms and reds holding her feet, but there's like blood everywhere from her leg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Reina already has a towel laid down so she can give medical attention to Maddie since she's in med school and she's putting pressure on the wound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oliver grabs red and he's like, how do they know it was her?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do they know it wasn't you red?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And red's just like, dude, we can't do this right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we have to stop the bleeding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She needs to get to hospital.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to do a turnicip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Reina says that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then, they use Simon Spell as a turnicip while Simon puts pressure on the wound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're like occupied.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Reina tells Oliver that they have to get her to the hospital.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she cannot just wait in this RV.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's confirmed there's a lot of blood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all of her sitting on the sofa was his head in his hands like who cared all of her you suck like you And his sister is disposable because I don't know if he fully believes that she wouldn't get shot I just think he thought it was worth the risk personally So red doesn't know what else to do so she's just looking through the channels of the walkie talkie like she had been like trying to look for help Because it is earlier in the day now and she's thinking about how this is all her fault because she's the witness in the trial And now Maddie's bleeding out and she can't figure out why they didn't just kill Maddie because obviously it's a sniper He could
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[SPEAKER_00]: could hit her a death blow if he wanted to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red also mentions to us that we wasn't the whole story because Red knew the other half of the plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red's thinking that the sniper didn't kill her because they still want the other half of the plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They want the information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's who else is involved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We get there eventually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't really elaborate now yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red's ready just to tell a sniper what he wants in hopes that they'll let everyone go and let Maddie go the hospital.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if it means that she's going to die or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she starts clicking down from a higher channel to get back to channel 3 to talk to the sniper, but she's on channel 6, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she hears someone say, yeah, the team have removed the truck and the sell tower itself doesn't look too bad, but some of these antennas are damaged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get the engineers up their ASAP and get this clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red goes to respond and says, help call the police.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a shooter down, McNair, Cemetery Road.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of us has been in sort of say shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But before she can finish, the walking talk, he has knocked out of her hand and broken.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when she looks up to see who knocked out of her hands, Arthur.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chapter 37.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My first note is just, no, with a bunch of zeros.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's how I feel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So everyone's freaking out on Arthur and it's like why did you kill our only form of communication and all of us like you're the mole And says Simon like go search him and Simon does and Simon finds his little circular thing in front of Arthur's pocket and Oliver tosses out the window
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[SPEAKER_00]: into the woods saying it's recording device or microphone or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, something I did not mention earlier because it comes up a million.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I can't describe to you how detailed and long this book is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm just a girl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can only tell you guys so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But red mentions like several times throughout the book that Arthur is fiddling with his hands in his front pocket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in the moment, you think he's just nervous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So was not worth mentioning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a nervous tick because she has one too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, anyway, who cares?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Arthur goes on to explain that it's not a listening device, it's a button, a remote control for the light you attach the RV earlier on top of the RV.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how he's been communicating with the sniper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arthur also says that there's only one sniper and it's just the two of them, so Arthur and the sniper are working together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the light on top of the RV is like a code they made up and then they also use more code if there's in need of more detail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was he the one using Morriscoat earlier?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was that Simon?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I really don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then, they're like, um, so you told him to kill Donna Joyce because that's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also her name is Joyce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I figured it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said no, absolutely not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just told them that Oliver was passing the note, but I thought the sniper would just shoot out their tires of the truck, so the old couple would be stranded with us as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's what Arthur's telling them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, also, oh god, we'll get into that with my lingering questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, what did you think was gonna happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I guess he didn't want them dry boy and get helped, did he?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know what your alternate is, because he knew they were going to leave and get help, and that's not part of the plan, which we'll get into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, I do believe that he didn't want them to die like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's like very out of character for either, even though he's been a liar this whole time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have such a big speally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then he also says that he told a sniper that it wasn't red coming out of the RV and he told them to take a warning shot at Maddie But like in front of her not shoot her obviously you didn't expect this sniper to shoot Maddie Arthur explains that's why he was trying to get Maddie to stop permanently being the first place Because of what the sniper did to don't enjoy He didn't trust the sniper anymore because they weren't supposed to kill anyone Also, why did you tell him it wasn't red?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I get that you don't want her to escape, but like
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all so crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just have a note that says he's getting hard to defend But I still hate Oliver even though he was right about the mole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was right He was so right even calls Arthur out for being new to the group like I can't even do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay Oliver asks
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arthur like who are you really and reds really sad because she's just kind of thinking about like the check More ground his hand and all the things that he was doing and like obviously they weren't real feelings And this was all just to get close to her and like even his friendship with Simon have to be fake and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Simon thought that was his best friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Simon's probably going through all of it and I think she even says she looks over to like Simon Who's going through something and Arthur says he goes my name is Arthur and my last name is gotty So he is the son of Frank gotty who is accused of shooting the other guy that red witness the shooting of so his dad is the one that is on trial for murder and Red is a witness
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[SPEAKER_00]: and all of her is like so this is about red so why don't you just kill her you know she lives like why are you dragging everyone to this whole situation totally valid and other tells us that he was trying to keep red safe the whole time so i don't know if he actually likes or not i don't know i kind of have some problems with that too about saying he was trying to keep her safe
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, my lingering questions are gonna be five minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he says that he told his family that he could integrate into reds life and no one would have to get her and he could just get the information straight for her and it would be fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And anytime that him and Red would get close, she would change the subject and she would just like go do something else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We noticed that in the other sections throughout where she's like, I have to go pee, I have to whatever whenever they're gonna kind of close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also it's like game time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he needed to be a little more aggressive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he should have literally just grabbed her and kissed her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: worst case scenario though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're in the same situation they started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So are there's kind of freaking out at?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, this is kind of weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so are there kind of like starts freaking out at red and it's like, why wouldn't you just tell me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand like I did everything I was supposed to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's like freaking out because now he's like really worried everyone's gonna hear in Maddie's like bleeding out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And red's like, what are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oliver cuts him off and's like, she's a witness for the prosecution against your dad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What else?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Information do you need?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know she's a mean witness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Arthur says no, she's not because my father did not kill Joseph that the guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't there that day and neither was red.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so red admits to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the reader.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That no, she was not there, but she memorized the details, the whole story, she had never even been to that park, but she's been there a million times since, so she could get every facts straight for a testimony.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right continues to tell us that Arthur's correct about all this, and that she wanted money to pay off her debts, get her dad some real help, I would assume like rehab, getting for the winter, and maybe even think about college, but obviously, it's not an option anymore, this whole plan's blown up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oliver asks if it's true, like what Arthur's saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red starts to say, but then Arthur asks her, who it is just tell me it's over who's paying you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Arthur starts lifting off like rival Mafia families, like that could potentially be paying Red to prosecute his dad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red says it was Katherine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: AKA Maddie and Oliver's mom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chapter 38 all there's like freaking out at this point and he's like I don't believe a red I don't want to my mom's not involved get used to that the next three chapters So red reiterates that it is from their mom that she is offering me money and she explains that Catherine came to her late august after Oh the day after Joseph was killed and she asked Red to say that she was there and self-frank leaving the scene
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I say this later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Frank is Arthur's dad and Joseph is Arthur's uncle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So his dad's brother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's a whole family business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause you don't want to kind of confusing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red's explaining and then Oliver keeps telling her to shut up, but Arthur's like, no, keep telling the story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This happens a couple times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then finally Maddie has to tell Oliver like shut up Red needs to speak, and she's like dying, and it's Oliver's fault, so I'm sure he just gives into that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red also describes that Reina and Simon feel like the only safe people in the RV right now, because Maddie is dying and she listen to Oliver all of her obviously is super unsafe and Arthur lied to her about everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red tells them that Katherine told her that Frank was a terrible man, probably was, and that he killed or ordered to kill a lot of people, so she wanted Red to testify that she saw him because Katherine was pretty sure it was him, but they didn't have enough evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red said that Katherine offered her $20,000 in cash and all of her is like we don't have that kind of money laying around and Red's like you absolutely do have that kind of money laying around like what do you know also they totally Okay, not that $20,000 isn't a lot, but it's like not when you're super rich like them and like the kind of colleges they're going to and all that also she's like a lawyer trying to be a district attorney.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they have $20,000
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, then Red says that Joseph was shot twice in the back of the head and that's how they executed people like Arthur's family or the mob or whatever execute people and that's what Katherine had told her and Red says to us now she understands why Arthur was saying that he didn't want to go into the family business which I think he said was like real estate or something I can't remember apartments or something I can't remember the real businesses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he basically said he's going to like crunch numbers and he didn't want to go into like the real family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we find out that's like the mafia who cares?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Reddick explains that the two shots in the back of the head were how her mom died five years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know that she died in a abandoned power station at the waterfront of South Philly, which is close to where Joseph was killed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And her mom's case went unsolved, but Katherine said that they couldn't prove it, but it was likely someone from the family like the mafia that killed her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red's mom was investigating that family looking into their network of crimes around the time she died.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it would make sense that she was killed off by the mafia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Arthur tells them that his dad would never kill a cop because he's smarter than that, which is like super valid and totally true about mobs like back in the day, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they know how to like stay out of trouble, murderers like it caught running a red light, please.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't run a red light if you have a body in her trunk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, Arthur explains that they have rules never to keep or never to kill police.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It keeps the heat off of them and Red's mom was a captain of the district, so no one would have touched her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's like a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They like clarify that Katherine works for the DA's office and she's an assistant district attorney.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Soon to be just the district attorney.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Oliver is going on and on about his mom's not a criminal like the rest of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though Oliver literally killed a man, like let's not forget he literally is a murderer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: criminal come on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he says it doesn't make sense because what would she get for setting up Frank for this murder?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Simon tells all of her, he's like, you said it yourself earlier that she would become DA if she wins this case because it's like a big deal, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then
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[SPEAKER_00]: their tells everyone that his mob family has a contact in the DA office and has for years maybe even like a decade and no one ever knew who it was and they were contacted anonymously through an encrypted message on a burner phone they used to contact John who's like the head of the mafia that like died or got sick or whatever
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they started contacting Arthur's uncle Joe, who's the one that was murdered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But basically, they would find out I witnessed his or family's or locations, so their cases would get dismissed, and then they were even able to seize back like guns or drugs that were taken by the police by using this contact in the DA's office.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they say that they would pay an offshore account and never knew who the leak was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was reliable information until they got reds identity two days after the charges were filed against Arthur's dad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Arthur's brother contacted or like message the unknown contact and asked who it was because it wasn't possible that it was Arthur's dad because he was not at the location.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They want to either get rid of this witness or threaten this witness or whatever the case may be because they know it's untrue and like I get the Arthur's dad probably a monster But like in this case he didn't do anything so he shouldn't go down for it red feelings are very split as our mind because Arthur liked her the whole time She's very split because she can't tell if Arthur like actually liked her or didn't like her and he does have feelings for like clearly like mixed feelings
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also he's part of this messed up family, but she does state that Arthur feels a lot safer than Oliver does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the biggest threat in the RV, the most dangerous, would be Oliver, which I totally agree with in this moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Arthur continues to say that his father received an email with Reds name, social security number, and her home address.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the email said that it belonged to Mo Fraser, who works in the DA's office, which apparently Oliver's not surprised by this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, of course it was Mo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arthur said that they assumed that he must have been the contact all this time and had slipped up by using his work email, but Arthur is not buying this, and neither am I, and said it never sat straight with him, it was so different and careless than before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like why for a decade, with this person be using a burner phone and all this stuff in this offshore account just to use their work email one time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they're literally like telling you to murder this person,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arther says it feels like someone's trying to pin the leak on this guy instead, and Red's like, uh, coulda be Katherine, like, in her brain, but also how could Katherine, her best friend's mom, her mom's best friend, give up her name knowing that she would be in danger if that name got leaked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Oliver sums up the situation and says,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red's claiming that his mom offered to pay her $20,000 in cash to say she witnessed Frank commit murder, and this would be so that she could get a guilty conviction and become DA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Arthur is saying that his mom is the same person who's been leaking information for over 10 years to his family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she gave up Red's name, but tried to frame Mo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How does that make any sense?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, all of us like, this doesn't make any sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why would she do that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The two things contradict each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then Red quotes from earlier, this is something all of us been saying throughout, but it's in earlier in the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's quoting him who he's quoting his own mom and says a plan must have two parts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to make sure either way plays out in your favor and Arthur understands where Red is going with this and says it has to be a win-win which is also another quote from Oliver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red says it doesn't make sense because her plan has two parts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first one, Red testifies and Frank is guilty and she's successful and becomes a DA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The second part is she gives up Red's name, he kills Red, but then the police in Viscate where the Lee came from and they'll find out it came from Mo Fraser, who is the mom's biggest competition to become DA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So basically she comes DA either way because it's a win-win for her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is totally valid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Oliver's still not believing any of this and says his mom's not a criminal and Red's like, I'm not accusing her, she did offer me to pay to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She manipulated me and then she gave up my name to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I'm not making accusations I'm telling you this is what happened and Oliver says shut up you stupid little girl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Oliver Yeah, big man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Maddie tells Oliver she's like stop and she's very weak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's bleeding out on the floor She is going to die if she does not get to a hospital and Maddie says what if she's not lying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's true and Oliver goes on this whole thing saying do you really think our mom who cuts your sandwiches and
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[SPEAKER_00]: You think the woman who has a doorbell ringtone for you because as a kid you thought you had to ring the doorbell before going in and out of house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You think that the woman who would do something so sweet is a criminal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red says no, Maddie's ringtone is a harp, which there's another stupid story about why it's a harp, blah blah, who cares?
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[SPEAKER_00]: In Oliver tells her it was a doorbell for a really long time and she must have changed it and Red saying that she heard a doorbell in the background with her final call with her mom and it was a doorbell sound twice and then her mom said hello and then they got off the phone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The officer said that Red must have imagined the doorbell sign because her mom was in a warehouse not a housing area where there'd be doorbells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red still trying to put everything together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She gets out her phone and she's going through the ringtone, so she can hear the doorbell sound of the ringtone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said the police were right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a doorbell, it's Katherine's ringtone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While looking at all of her, Red says, your mom, I think your mom was there when my mom was killed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: after 39.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of her is like, what are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've already accused my mom of enough stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red says, Catherine was there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I heard her, maybe you don't know this, but my mom called me only 10 minutes before she was killed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the police told me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her mom tried to tell her something on the phone because they had a fight and she explains the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever, I don't need to recap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like kind of start recapping my nose but I was like, we know the whole fight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red says to Maddie that this is the ringtone, Red heard, Maddie must have called her mom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and all of her explodes and is like so now you're trying to tell me my mom killed your mom and they're best friends like what are you talking about red says that her mom was investigating organized crime maybe she found out that Katherine was a leak in the Diaz off and now Maddie's kind of moaning and like trying to speak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Maddie tells us that her mom, Katherine, wasn't home the evening that Red's mom died, and that's why Maddie called her, but she didn't pick up after two rings, so two doorbell sounds, and it went to voicemail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maddie goes on to say that, Dad and Oliver were out of town, and Maddie was home by herself, and that Katherine didn't get home until after a 30, and Maddie had already left overs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maddie says that her mom said that she had not eaten, but Maddie pointed out that the mom had gotten sauce on her shirt, like you didn't eat dinner with a sauce on your shirt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a tiny spot, but Katherine immediately went and changed, got rid of the shirt, and Maddie never saw it again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The next day Maddie found out what happened to Red's mom, and she said it was so confusing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because her mom Katherine kept saying she was home at seven that night and that she made dinner for both of them, but Mattie obviously knew that wasn't true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then Mattie's like, but my mom kept saying it and I kept getting him fused and Mattie was only 13 and obviously like this person she knows just died and you're gonna trust your parent like I'm not hating on Mattie at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Maddie tells us there was an unanswered call in her call log, so why would you call her mom at 7 if they were home together?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But a few days later, the call was deleted from her phone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Maddie's apologizing profusely to Red and saying, you know, I was confused.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know what was going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, Red is now realizing that Katherine murdered her mom, made her get on her knees and shot her twice in the back ahead with her mom's own service weapon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy, and Katherine was her mom's best friend, Red also coming to the realization that Maddie knew about this for the whole five years since her mom died Like kind of and maybe this is why she never let Red say the word mom because she kind of had a guilty conscience about the information she had and that Maybe she felt responsible for Red because of what Katherine did and for not speaking up, so that's why she took care of Red
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I also feel like they have a genuine friendship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot for a 13-year-old to carry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red's coping with the fact that it wasn't actually her fault that her mom died, and that her mom didn't die thinking that her daughter hated her and all that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red starts to collapse because like everything's coming on down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like so much going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's finding out so much information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She kind of falls and Arthur catches her and he just holds her and she cries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's saying it's not your fault, it's not your fault.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she just kind of breaks down and he's stroking her back and comforting her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am okay with this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I shouldn't be okay with this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is toxic for moding toxic relationships.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, all they're screaming, that none of this is possibly true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And his mom didn't do this and it's all lies and reds like it's all true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red says that she hopes Katherine dies on her knees, scared it alone, just like her own mom did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all of her lunges at the table grabs the knife and one hand and the lighter and the other and Arthur tells all of her like, stop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We already figured out the information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Arthur got the answer, they came for Reds, obviously not going to testify in court against a woman who killed her own mom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also something I refused to glaze over in this chapter, Arthur says, we were supposed to get the answer and then kill Red, that's what we were told to do, but no one has to get hurt here, no one else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, he literally was chill with killing Red though, like he knew that was the plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he like says as much, okay, so Arthur says he can convince his brother to let them go now that they have the information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I mentioned, but the sniper is Arthur's brother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arthur doesn't have any other way to communicate since the walkie talk he's broken and all of her through the like a little flashy like thing out into the woods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arthur promises to get his brother to stand down so they can take the truck to get Maddie to the hospital.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all of her is like, you're not going anywhere, no one's going anywhere, especially with all these lies about my mom, and Reina's like pleading, she's like, Maddie is not going to make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She is dying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of her doesn't want Arthur to leave and tell his brother all this information about Katherine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically, it's a choice between his mom dying and his sister dying because he knows like the mob will kill his mom if they find all this out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all of her is too good for all that, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Simon suggests that maybe the police are on the way because Red reached out on the walkie talking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red says like, well, she was talking to someone else who's pushing down the button to talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They wouldn't hear her request.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no way to be for sure that the police are coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Reina suggests that since there's only one sniper, maybe we can go to opposite direction like their original plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Oliver says no one leaves until I figure out what to do, stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Simon suggests that Arthur leaves with them in the truck, so he can't tell his brother anything, but it would keep them safe on the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Arthur doesn't have any way of communicating this information to his brother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, side note, why don't they just flash the headlights?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows more his code.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how they were communicating with the land type of the RV, like I would assume the sniper would see a broken walkie talkie or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna leave, but don't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, Maddie's kind of shutting her eyes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's going in and out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Reina's like, you got to stay away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to do something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The time is now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red is very afraid because Oliver still has the knife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he is in fight or flight mode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he is going to fight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Red sees the broken walkie talking on the floor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, I can rebuild it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because she's been doing that with her mom forever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She after 40, buckle up, pull over, stop doing your laundry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, go sit down, have a drink.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Red's talking about how she's gonna fix the walkie-talkie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If she needs more parts, she can use the radio, she doesn't end up using the radio, who cares?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Raina's also urgently telling me how to keep staying awake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Simon asks Arthur, if him and his brother will still come for Red after all this, and Arthur's like, no, you have my word.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are we believing that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also says he never wanted to harm anyone, especially not red, why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you literally said you were chill with that plan, that was a plan from the get-go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he says he doesn't believe in killing people, and that's why his dad's going to put him in charge of the numbers of the legitimate business instead of actually being in the mob.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says he's not like his brother, and that both his brother and dad will listen to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No harm will come to red.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, they asked why Arthur didn't just say it was red hours ago when the walkie-talkie asked for the secret.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In Arthur said that was his dad's idea that we're hoping to learn more than just the information they needed so they could blackmail people I guess that's how his dad has power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that parts stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of effort just to get a teenager to tell you she's lying about being the witness and Katherine's paying her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like
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[SPEAKER_00]: She would have given up a lot easier if we would have done a little more legwork.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, Red's still in the middle of assembling the walkie-talkie, and everyone's still pleading with Oliver to let Arthur or Red go out so they can get help for Maddie, but Oliver is a worse so he keeps saying no, and he is a weapon to weapon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he sees, or they, I guess, see, blue and red lights of a cop car showing up, Red asks Arthur if his brother would kill a cop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Arthur says he doesn't know, because they weren't supposed to kill anyone except
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone except Red, he straight ups says that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arther says he doesn't know because they weren't supposed to kill anyone except for Red, but then he claimed no harm's gonna come to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's pleasing, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I honestly don't know if it's just bad writing, which I would assume it's not, or just like Arther's crazy, which I assume he is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also I kind of had this problem with a good girl's guide and murder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At the end, it kind of started falling apart a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not hating, I'm just saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, red's thinking about the officer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That just showed up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a woman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how she probably has a daughter at home waiting for like, how red's mom, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She can't let this happen to someone else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she, once to run outside, she's still holding the walkie talking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not reassembled yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all of her says nobody moves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody knew, and he threatens to throw the lighter out onto the ghastly, like he said earlier, and light everyone on fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Reds like you won't do it, because she knows, all of her cares about himself more than anyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red smacks Oliver's hand, knocking the knife from it, and then she runs out of RV before he can respond or wrap her, and the officers like stay where you are, because Reds like running out her obviously, and Reds like find all stop, because she knows
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[SPEAKER_00]: That she's between the sniper and the officer now or I guess she's assuming because they really don't know where the sniper is But she's throwing a king into the plan of the sniper and she puts her hands up and Arthur is now running out of the RV as well And Oliver is right behind Arthur, but he has the knife in his hand
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[SPEAKER_00]: Reina yells out to Oliver and grabs his arm while Oliver is trying to cut Arthur's neck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there's so much happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Red is between the officer who's pointing gun at her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a sniper out wherever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oliver is running after Arthur trying to cut his neck and Reina is grabbing Oliver's arm pulling him back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oliver still is able to cut Arthur's neck but not as violently as he wanted to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Oliver shoves Reina into the side of the RB and he has a knife again, ready to heart Arthur.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, cut him again and then...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oliver is crumpled over by the RB now and Red tells us Oliver is laying dead on the road.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arthur is holding his neck and the officer is right in front of her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot breathe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The officer looks at the walking talking in Red's hand, but the officer couldn't tell what it was and she fires two shots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: into Red's chest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arthur yells out for her, and the officers on the radio says shots fired, requesting immediate backup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them is running, we have fatalities, Red is laying there basically dying, replaying the time she would play on the walkie talking with her mom, she hears her own voice, as a little kid, and her mom's voice, as she's bleeding out, and she says her mom stayed with her the whole time, as she looked up at the stars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a chapter I hundred percent say, the this and the last section, hundred percent, you have to read them yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: situation 6 a.m.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it says please radio transcript from the Chesterfield County sheriffs department South Carolina date 1022 is just communication between the officer on scene and the dispatcher, whoever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the officer says there's an RV of kids 3 to cased rifle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: gunshots, two in critical condition, meeting urgent medical assistance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's two others with superficial injuries and their inshaw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She also says there was another one here too, bleeding from the neck, but he ran into the trees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The author says, I shot her, she ran at me, I heard a gunshot, thought she had a gun in her hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not though, it's not a gun, what have I done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other officer says that they picked up a white male in his mids,
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's surrendered and they made their rest and she just keeps saying what have I done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the two in critical are Red and Maddie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The two with superficial injuries I would assume is just Reina and Simon just from the ongoing Sunday and then obviously Arthur ran off and Oliver's dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which I can't help but to be a little happy about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also he killed himself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to pause for just a second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oliver literally killed himself because if he would control his temper and didn't go after Arthur, he would have been probably fine in the RB because we can assume he's fine because Reina and Simon were in the RB and they're fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, if he just wouldn't let his temper and stress and everything get the better of him because he didn't he really did not need to go after Arthur Because it would have all come out anyway, and he knew that it was sniper out there, and he was just reckless and he ran out there And he didn't even go out there to help Maddie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He literally did not leave to save his own sister or When Red ran out he didn't go out to help Red get his own sister, but he was mad enough at Arthur for accusing his mom of stuff that his mom actually did to go get himself shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, rant over
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then it says News Day, assisted Dixtrick attorney, Catherine, Lovoy, shot dead, outside the hospital in South Carolina, April 11, 2022.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will just recap, but it says she was shot outside the main entrance of the hospital with a long-range weapon and she was killed instantly and the shooters at large not apprehended.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The article states that she was visiting her daughter, Madeline, who remains in critical condition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not releasing the full details, but do say that Donald Wright and Joyce Wright and then Katherine Sun all of her were all killed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And no one knows if this has to do with Katherine's work or criminal cases, because she's lawyer, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And her colleague, that she tried to frame, says that she was awesome to work with and he's so sad by the incident, because like obviously he doesn't know all the details.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, the very last, I don't know if you call it a chapter or whatever, it's a letter to read, it says, dear red.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's from Arthur, he sends red a four page note, so I'll summarize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is another one you're just going to have to read.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, he pretty much just apologizes for literally everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, he's sorry, he lied, he's sorry, he intruded in her life, he's sorry, that she had to find out everything about her mom the way she did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's sorry, Maddie got shot, he's sorry that his...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brother did all this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He never kissed red.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's sorry for running like after the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's also sorry for the older couple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also says he thought red was dead because she was in coma for two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But no one thought she was going to pull through but she does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm a little
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[SPEAKER_00]: annoyed by this because in the letter it makes it seem like you have no idea of red lives or dies like that last chapter where she gets shot and then this makes it really like oh my god did she live or die but my issue with that is the book is literally called five survive and there's six of them and all of her already died.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, we got it all red pulls through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, he says, I promise I would never kill anyone, but I broke that promise because Red wanted Catherine to die on her knees just like her mom alone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he did that for red.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's Nineter from the hospital and he's still on the run because of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he also mentions in the letter that Matty pulled through and that he did go to the hospital after Catherine died and there was police everywhere But like no one recognized him so like they obviously didn't know he was guilty of it and he says also that Reina and Simon must not have said anything like incriminating about him from the RV situation Because the police have not been looking for him like he hasn't heard anything about it and like honestly the only person that say anything is all over I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I probably still say something
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[SPEAKER_00]: but whatever, because he really didn't save anyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't help anyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone died because of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be like a super Arthur Apologist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just cannot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, he also says that he's thankful for Reina because she saved his life when Oliver tried to kill him and that she was probably making up for not being able to save her boyfriend Jack Harvey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Arthur apparently went to Red's hospital room, but he wasn't able to go in and like hold her hand or anything like that because Maddie was
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[SPEAKER_00]: already visiting her and Maddie was in a wheelchair and he says Maddie kind of looked over at him and like gave him a nod saying like I'm not going to tell the police that you're here But like get out of here and he also tells Red in the note that he's sorry for sneaking into her messy bedroom in this moment I guess but he left enough money to pay all the hospital bills since the dad like her dad doesn't have health insurance
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, I was really insisting about the money all coming from the legitimate business, and he like hides in a box in her room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The charges have been dropped against Arthur's dad, because he didn't kill anyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But his brother is charged with first-degree murder for all three people, and then a attempted murder of Maddie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arthur said his dad got his brother a really good lawyer, but like...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who cares how's that going to work and are there's like I don't know what I'm going to do because I'm a fugitive and he apologize to read for not staying with her when she got shot in the chest by the officer and he's like I honestly thought you're already dead so I fled which is kind of valid but then he said that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red is the strongest person you've ever known and that she saved that police officer by getting in between the sniper and the officer and the officer had a 12 year old daughter and he knew that would be important to red and then he says if you're on your feet and you want to be I'll be waiting for you on the 8th of May 8pm at pure 68 and he says so they can say goodbye or anything else they need to say in person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He understands if she doesn't want to come or if the officers come and arrest him there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he promises red that he'll be there and then at the very bottom of the note it says checkmark yes or no and then it says yours Arthur that's it that's the whole book lingering questions oh my gosh so like my major lingering questions who the heck voted for red to die besides Oliver but like I really am just gonna say Simon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think Simon instantly regretted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was drunk and I think he was scared, but it was like super unanswered and then it could I guess it could have been Arthur.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I don't the book doesn't really point you in that direction, but like if he thought she wasn't gonna get shot or like he's in on this
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could have definitely voted for her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My next question is, does Arthur actually like red?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe a little, you know?
58:16.005 --> 58:17.427
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think there's something there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he didn't want to, and then he kind of did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think he has all this trauma, and he kind of like wants a life, I think he wants a life away from the mob, and like he could have had that with red, but obviously things have so messed up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he also was like on board with his brother killing red this whole trip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he thought he'd get the information before that happened But also several people were shot, so I really I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we think red's gonna meet him?
58:39.438 --> 58:44.024
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, is that a setup the peers like to kill red that that be another setup?
58:44.164 --> 58:48.470
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean she could call the police, but he probably seems she wouldn't I don't know is she gonna go meet him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know is this setup to kill her?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to hear your theories
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[SPEAKER_00]: My next question is where are those dang curtains from?
58:54.618 --> 58:55.959
[SPEAKER_00]: We never figure that out.
58:55.979 --> 58:57.741
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's supposed to be like her trauma or whatever.
58:57.922 --> 58:59.524
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it, but I want to know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why was red so dory-ish in the beginning?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause like she couldn't even remember that they were in the middle of a game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was that debilitating the first couple chapters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then by the end, she's like, I'm good to go.
59:11.819 --> 59:14.161
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember everything, all these details.
59:14.222 --> 59:19.127
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I get it's symbolism or whatever for her trauma, but I did not think it was good writing.
59:19.188 --> 59:20.389
[SPEAKER_00]: It was not executed well.
59:20.369 --> 59:25.149
[SPEAKER_00]: because they made her like so literally unfunctioning at the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she's just like fine and we just forget about it.
59:27.659 --> 59:28.523
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just stupid.
59:29.414 --> 59:36.904
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, it's a similar vibe to like a girl's guy and a murderer where I like really like the first book and then just kind of fell apart at the end.
59:36.984 --> 59:40.609
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's right in the dig, I'm just saying, I'm not gonna get your yam or whatever.
59:40.750 --> 59:42.512
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can love these books, and that's totally fine.
59:42.632 --> 59:43.633
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really not my vibe.
59:43.874 --> 59:45.877
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Holly Jackson's books are good, there's good plot.
59:45.897 --> 59:46.658
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like interesting.
59:46.778 --> 59:49.822
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't hate them by any means, but it's just not for me like the lead.
59:49.842 --> 59:52.786
[SPEAKER_00]: Traumatic deaths are written so extensively.
59:52.826 --> 59:55.369
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't enjoy that as much.
59:55.830 --> 59:57.953
[SPEAKER_00]: I also like, I,
59:57.933 --> 59:59.236
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like things get lost.
59:59.336 --> 01:00:01.060
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's just a lot going on.
01:00:01.100 --> 01:00:01.902
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of information.
01:00:01.922 --> 01:00:05.209
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of character to develop it and then like certain things just get lost in the sauce.
01:00:05.229 --> 01:00:10.561
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's almost just too much going on and then like to get to the ending we want to get to like a bunch of unrealistic things happen.
01:00:10.722 --> 01:00:12.225
[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like that in general.
01:00:12.766 --> 01:00:13.107
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah.
01:00:13.087 --> 01:00:15.451
[SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, I feel bad because I feel like I'm really doggy on it.
01:00:15.531 --> 01:00:20.980
[SPEAKER_00]: It was fine I do feel like I got a lot of requests though because people didn't really want to read the whole thing I'm gonna be a hundred percent honest.
01:00:21.060 --> 01:00:25.647
[SPEAKER_00]: I got like 30 plus requests for this book So either people super loved it or they couldn't get through it.
01:00:25.988 --> 01:00:30.635
[SPEAKER_00]: I just not my personal favorite You know, it's probably out of all the books I've done probably ranking in the middle.
01:00:30.875 --> 01:00:32.959
[SPEAKER_00]: No, hey It was good book is I mean it's well written.
01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:33.620
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
01:00:33.740 --> 01:00:40.090
[SPEAKER_00]: So like that being said I have any rankings system if you're not in the video You can't see this and I'm going to post them
01:00:40.070 --> 01:00:46.403
[SPEAKER_00]: But I have three ranking cards, which the idea came during my author interview with Katie Burnett.
01:00:46.623 --> 01:00:53.517
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's supposed to be like Parks and Rack, like, Joan Gacha, where she does her little book club, and she's like, oh, you're a certified Joan, whatever.
01:00:53.858 --> 01:00:55.902
[SPEAKER_00]: Joan Malik Hezzo or whatever, what is her name?
01:00:55.882 --> 01:01:04.680
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so the first one we have is the Jolly Reader Hall fame 10 out 10 would recommend go buy the book Okay, so that's like number one.
01:01:04.820 --> 01:01:12.896
[SPEAKER_00]: The middle is pretty good time captain book approved didn't ruin my life Okay, this fine, and then our third one is quote unquote.
01:01:12.916 --> 01:01:13.738
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a book
01:01:13.718 --> 01:01:14.899
[SPEAKER_00]: Captain book, probably.
01:01:15.200 --> 01:01:17.503
[SPEAKER_00]: Womp, womp, read, but at what cost.
01:01:17.523 --> 01:01:18.584
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like the really bad one.
01:01:18.604 --> 01:01:19.645
[SPEAKER_00]: Four, the book.
01:01:19.946 --> 01:01:21.968
[SPEAKER_00]: Five survived by Holly Jackson.
01:01:22.048 --> 01:01:24.631
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to give it a good Captain book, uh, boom.
01:01:24.691 --> 01:01:25.733
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't ruin my life.
01:01:25.793 --> 01:01:26.794
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like pretty accurate.
01:01:26.834 --> 01:01:27.575
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was a good book.
01:01:27.755 --> 01:01:28.917
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying don't read it.
01:01:29.197 --> 01:01:29.698
[SPEAKER_00]: It's approved.
01:01:29.958 --> 01:01:30.559
[SPEAKER_00]: It's right in the middle.
01:01:30.819 --> 01:01:33.763
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a link in the show notes for buying the book.
01:01:34.163 --> 01:01:34.984
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah.
01:01:34.964 --> 01:01:42.059
[SPEAKER_00]: We made it ending 2025 strong starting 2026 off fresh don't know what the next book is yet.
01:01:42.380 --> 01:01:51.218
[SPEAKER_00]: I really just want to list out everything I'm going to do this coming year 2026 and I want to look at all the requests so please send your requests because I'll move stuff around if there's not a request for something.
01:01:51.198 --> 01:01:54.783
[SPEAKER_00]: So, as always, this was a neon rose production.
01:01:54.883 --> 01:01:55.684
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening.
01:01:55.724 --> 01:01:59.670
[SPEAKER_00]: You can find me on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, and YouTube at the Jolly Reader podcast.
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01:02:12.187 --> 01:02:13.509
[SPEAKER_00]: I said donate to help books.
01:02:13.649 --> 01:02:15.712
[SPEAKER_00]: No, donate to help me buy books.
01:02:15.892 --> 01:02:17.374
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a link in the show notes.
01:02:17.354 --> 01:02:19.897
[SPEAKER_00]: If you like second hand bear spin, stay tuned for the altex.
01:02:19.917 --> 01:02:20.998
[SPEAKER_00]: There are several this time.
01:02:21.078 --> 01:02:24.221
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that 100% is my dog's were chuggin' water when I started.
01:02:24.261 --> 01:02:29.746
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will talk to you next year, 2026 until we sail again.
01:02:29.786 --> 01:02:33.650
[SPEAKER_00]: This has been the jolly fooder.
01:02:33.670 --> 01:02:38.735
[SPEAKER_01]: Bold boy eyes.
01:02:38.755 --> 01:02:40.597
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, baby, it's the outtakes.
01:02:40.958 --> 01:02:46.483
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
01:02:46.683 --> 01:02:47.545
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, what about this?
01:02:48.025 --> 01:02:49.147
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's too much now.
01:02:49.468 --> 01:02:54.337
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, why the heck do my dogs chug water every single freaking time?
01:02:54.437 --> 01:02:55.218
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to record.
01:02:55.379 --> 01:02:56.440
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop chugging.
01:02:56.541 --> 01:02:57.222
[SPEAKER_00]: This time it's Roy.
01:02:57.582 --> 01:02:58.424
[SPEAKER_00]: My golden retriever mix.
01:02:58.584 --> 01:02:59.666
[SPEAKER_00]: This is all going in the outtakes.
01:02:59.746 --> 01:03:02.091
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I actually need to turn down because I will be screaming.
01:03:02.371 --> 01:03:04.174
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna be screaming this whole book.
01:03:04.355 --> 01:03:06.238
[SPEAKER_00]: This whole book I'll be screaming.
01:03:06.298 --> 01:03:08.462
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, is it ready for me to scream?
01:03:08.582 --> 01:03:10.045
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause I'm ready to scream.
01:03:10.245 --> 01:03:11.307
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we're gonna do this for real.
01:03:11.455 --> 01:03:14.921
[SPEAKER_00]: Intro time, also gonna mute my computer because I can be a problem.
01:03:15.161 --> 01:03:15.942
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it still gonna go?
01:03:16.103 --> 01:03:18.286
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's not recording me desktop out of you, but still.
01:03:19.148 --> 01:03:21.031
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, let's do it my frog and toe shirt.
01:03:21.692 --> 01:03:22.453
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God, I'm nervous.
01:03:22.673 --> 01:03:23.655
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't why am I nervous?
01:03:23.695 --> 01:03:24.596
[SPEAKER_00]: I've done this a million times.
01:03:24.657 --> 01:03:24.917
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:03:25.217 --> 01:03:28.082
[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on one more check editing me is gonna be so annoyed.
01:03:28.323 --> 01:03:28.623
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:03:29.585 --> 01:03:30.726
[SPEAKER_00]: How to drink water.
01:03:30.747 --> 01:03:32.890
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, a minute 30 sec, go right that down.
01:03:35.452 --> 01:03:35.752
[SPEAKER_00]: Gross.
01:03:35.913 --> 01:03:37.054
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's do it.
01:03:37.414 --> 01:03:38.195
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop hering water.
01:03:38.255 --> 01:03:39.697
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that's the whole street water.
01:03:39.797 --> 01:03:40.698
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, I'm gonna wait.
01:03:40.798 --> 01:03:42.360
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you all so far?
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:43.481
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are they all so far?
01:03:43.821 --> 01:03:44.202
[SPEAKER_00]: Should I?
01:03:44.222 --> 01:03:45.503
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are they doing this to me?
01:03:45.523 --> 01:03:47.966
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to record this for the new year.
01:03:47.986 --> 01:03:48.907
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she's chugging.
01:03:48.967 --> 01:03:53.452
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it picks up on the mic, but it just tracks me so dang much that I don't even want to put a chug.
01:03:53.472 --> 01:03:54.593
[SPEAKER_00]: Chug, chug, chug.
01:03:54.753 --> 01:03:55.414
[SPEAKER_00]: Prish, mint.
01:03:55.614 --> 01:03:56.295
[SPEAKER_00]: Prish, mint.
01:03:56.595 --> 01:03:57.577
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now I have the sneeze.
01:03:57.837 --> 01:03:58.458
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna happen.
01:03:58.698 --> 01:04:00.840
[SPEAKER_00]: That sneeze will probably come right up in the introduction.
01:04:01.040 --> 01:04:02.522
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, choking out.
01:04:02.502 --> 01:04:03.904
[SPEAKER_00]: We just start want this.
01:04:04.084 --> 01:04:05.126
[SPEAKER_00]: Got my little note.
01:04:05.146 --> 01:04:06.188
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, do win it.
01:04:06.308 --> 01:04:07.009
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
01:04:07.269 --> 01:04:12.056
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and I'm gonna do some recap recap.
01:04:12.177 --> 01:04:12.397
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
01:04:12.477 --> 01:04:16.964
[SPEAKER_00]: That's getting it out In all fairness, allegedly.
01:04:17.144 --> 01:04:28.982
[SPEAKER_00]: I say allegedly lot not that and ready set red and then all of our walks over to red and says I'm sorry red and then Oh my gosh, I thought we're talking about Arthur for a second
01:04:29.806 --> 01:04:32.289
[SPEAKER_00]: Raina, which is misspelled as Rihanna in my notes.
01:04:32.590 --> 01:04:36.314
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, could you imagine Rihanna's on the radio yellin' at him?
01:04:36.334 --> 01:04:37.756
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, the outdigs, whatever.
01:04:37.897 --> 01:04:41.741
[SPEAKER_00]: So Rihanna, no, no, Rihanna, oh my god, that was stupid.
01:04:41.762 --> 01:04:42.523
[SPEAKER_00]: I need a nap.
01:04:42.543 --> 01:04:43.304
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:04:43.324 --> 01:04:44.024
[SPEAKER_00]: Restart.
01:04:44.044 --> 01:04:44.825
[SPEAKER_00]: Chapter 35.
01:04:46.728 --> 01:04:47.749
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
01:04:47.769 --> 01:04:49.652
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I'm gonna add a sound effect.
01:04:50.773 --> 01:04:54.338
[SPEAKER_00]: All of her grabs Red and he's like, how did they know it wasn't her?
01:04:54.518 --> 01:04:57.061
[SPEAKER_00]: Red, like, how would they know it wasn't you?
01:04:57.121 --> 01:04:59.104
[SPEAKER_00]: Her, God, I butcher that.
01:05:00.282 --> 01:05:00.943
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh.
01:05:01.484 --> 01:05:01.824
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry.
01:05:01.864 --> 01:05:03.366
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is going to outtake.
01:05:03.446 --> 01:05:06.951
[SPEAKER_00]: So I, we use a separate thing to talk about stuff.
01:05:07.632 --> 01:05:15.563
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had sent him some of this as I strive to go into the ad break on the podcast with the vibe as Alfred Hitchcock going into a commercial break.
01:05:16.384 --> 01:05:18.687
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, anyway, out takes whatever.
01:05:18.727 --> 01:05:20.029
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
01:05:20.009 --> 01:05:26.758
[SPEAKER_00]: Because worst case scenarios she redirects him, and then we're all in this, I just dragged my camera out of the screen.
01:05:27.299 --> 01:05:27.880
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.
01:05:28.140 --> 01:05:41.919
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's crazy Chapter 38 Have to text back from the love and go find one you guys go get your first divorce done and over with and then go find the love of your life No way to my ex husband and he's chill or whatever, but Sean better.
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:46.405
[SPEAKER_00]: This is totally out Am I getting frank and no, not okay
01:05:47.178 --> 01:05:52.385
[SPEAKER_00]: her tells everyone that his family, oh, Arthur is saying this, I get Arthur and Oliver confused every single time.
01:05:52.725 --> 01:06:00.555
[SPEAKER_00]: So Frank's witness Frank commit murder and this is so she could get a guilty conviction.
01:06:00.836 --> 01:06:02.999
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm going to start over because this is kind of complicated.
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:14.974
[SPEAKER_00]: And all of, oh, all of her and red hopes that that's crazy.
01:06:15.865 --> 01:06:17.168
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not reassembled yet.
01:06:17.529 --> 01:06:17.650
[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh!
01:06:18.953 --> 01:06:20.376
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's 606, whatever.
01:06:20.737 --> 01:06:21.439
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, whatever.
01:06:22.161 --> 01:06:22.522
[SPEAKER_00]: So!
01:06:22.542 --> 01:06:25.730
[SPEAKER_00]: I am Ally.
01:06:25.750 --> 01:06:27.715
[SPEAKER_00]: You are making me want a lot.