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Welcome to the Internal Shift Show. I'm Debbie
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Longo, transformational coach. This show explores
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how the way we think, decide, and respond internally
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influences where we end up over time. Today's
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conversation draws on real experience and expertise
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to look at how small internal shifts can change
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direction, momentum, and outcomes. I'm joined
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today by a very special guest, Steve Barton.
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Good afternoon, Steve, welcome to the show. Hi,
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Debbie, and thank you so much for allowing me
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to be on your show, and I hope to share some...
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Useful information for you and your audience
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and I'm looking forward to being interviewed.
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Perfect. Thank you. Thank you for being here.
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I'm gonna ask you to tell your story and point
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out a part or situation or scenario or life change
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in your story where you went through a process
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and the end result should always be positive.
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Now, I do this show for a few different reasons.
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And one main reason is because everybody has
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their own individual story. But there are parts
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to people's stories that other people can relate
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to. So maybe somebody is in a negative situation
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and they don't know how to get out of it. Or
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maybe they're in a scenario or maybe an abusive.
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situation or relationship or something like that
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and they just think that it's normal they just
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think this is the way that it's gonna be okay
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for the rest of my life and there's no way that
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i'm gonna get out of this now i don't believe
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there's any such thing as any negative situation
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or scenario or anything because anything that's
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negative can always be changed into a positive
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so basically what we're trying to show here is
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that this basically a light at the end of the
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tunnel. So anything anybody can get through anything,
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provided that they're willing and able to do
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it. If they want to do it, they're going to say,
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I don't want to be this way anymore. My life
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can be better than what it is. Those are some
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of the reasons why I do this show. So we'll talk
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about it a little bit more about it, too. So
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if you could do that for me, I would appreciate
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it. Thank you. Hi, I'm Steve Barton. And my story
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is a bit strange. Even to this day, I look back
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and and think how a lot of Strange things turn
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out to be quite good and to not judge what's
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happening, but to kind of go with it So it was
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33 years ago that I was 36 years old My first
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wife was with her. She was a VP of LL Bean in
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Maine, and I'm in Portland, Maine and All the
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C -suite executives were going to therapy 33
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years ago You didn't go to therapy and tell anybody
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and it was kind of a taboo that you went because
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there was something wrong with you It seemed
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like everything was happening, and I just knew
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that something was off. So I booked a call with
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the therapist. His name was Larry. I'll call
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him Larry, because that's his name. Kind of a
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Dr. Rogers type, older gentleman, probably in
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his 70s at the time. So I go, and I had the session,
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and he says, why are you here? I said, I have
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everything in the world that I want, and I'm
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not happy. And I said, that's f -ed up. And he
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said, I go, how long is it gonna take, and what
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can I expect? And what he said to me was, well,
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usually I say three months, but you're halfway
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there. And then he goes, what you can expect
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is mental health. And I didn't know what mental
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health was. So I said, okay, I'm just gonna go
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with this. And in the meantime, I was reading
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A Course in Miracles, Elizabeth Kubler -Roth,
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Death and Dying, and Stephen Covey, Seven Habits
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of Highly Effective People. I didn't know what
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I was setting myself up for. and I didn't know
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what was gonna happen, but I just had this draw
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in me that I've got to figure this out. I knew
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I had to forgive, of course in miracles, all
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about that, and I knew that basically that means
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let go. Within 10 minutes I'm saying everything
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I could possibly think of that could ever have
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been disappointing or traumatizing to me. So
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it felt like I was building up this pile of stuff
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in the middle of his floor, and I said, boy,
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that feels really good, and I'm gonna keep it
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here. And he goes, I don't want it. And I said,
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not my problem. I said, do you have homework
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when you go to therapy? What do you do? He goes,
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you know what you need to do. That was my first
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adventure on the treasure hunt, figuring out
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what I needed to do. I was going every two weeks,
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and I... My plan was to go two weeks, and so
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my homework assignment was figure out what I
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needed to do. And what I needed to do was forgive
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my father. And I had my first and only one -on
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-one father -son conversation with my dad. The
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first and only. And it was really good. It took
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me an hour and a half to get him to talk to me.
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But when we did, I told him everything I knew
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about family secrets and... and betrayals and
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everything. And I said, I loved you, loved him.
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And I left that meeting on a high that in the
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eighties, I had done Coke and I liked it and
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I stopped it quickly because I liked it, but
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it felt like that and it was natural. And I'm
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thinking, wow, this is amazing. So I go to a
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couple of days later, I'm going to the. my second
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session. And I said to Larry, I said, Larry,
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I'm on a cocaine high and it's natural. Has this
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happened to all your patients? He looked at me
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like, no. Well, I kind of like it. And it's natural
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and it's legal and I can do it myself. So he
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asked me what I'd done. I told him what I'd done.
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And the hour went by quickly and I said, is there
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another homework assignment? And he said, said
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it stood at the door and said, read the redemption.
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And the only redemption I've ever heard of in
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Portland, Maine is there's a bottle center. You
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bring down your empties and they give you five
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and ten cents for the redemption. So lived in
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this old house I bought, and there was a family
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Bible. It sounded biblical, so I'm going on that.
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It sounded religious. It sounded biblical. So
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that was my clue. Huge family Bible that came
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with the house. Nothing there was no glossary
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so I couldn't couldn't find it but I had been
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reading a course in miracles and and I looked
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in there was a glossary so I skimmed down it
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and Mid 200 pages there was the the egos final
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Awareness or something like that the the fear
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of redemption. I said bingo. So I'm sitting in
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my living room and reading this passage and it
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was very calming and very just reading it's when
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you figure out that you never left and I look
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up from reading halfway down the page and I was
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connected at my left ankle and I was stepping
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out and I didn't know what and in that time time
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stopped and I knew I had a choice to either go
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or stay and I had a vision that they'd find my
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parents and wife would find me on the couch dead
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quote -unquote and Oh, he's under a lot of stress
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at work, and this family business I ran. And
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he's under this, they were talking and they were
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making, he must have died of a heart attack.
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And I had that vision of going, no. And I took
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the, I was finally happy. And what I didn't say
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before was when I left, I had ideas of, I want
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to get a heroin high without heroin. And that's,
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I wanted to get high. And that's when he said,
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read the redemption. I threw the book down. I
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said the F word about 30 times, because I had
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no clue what I was involved in, and I figured
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that God would not take me if I said the F word
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ad nauseam. And it worked, apparently. So I don't
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recommend that to anyone, but I had nothing to
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go on, nothing to work with, and I threw the
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book, said the words, and it's back in my body,
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like you see on TV, if you're gonna see. things
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like Ghost and Whoopi Goldbergs, things like
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that. It's somewhat true. And so my mind is humming.
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I had this fine, it's the ohm, it's the cosmic
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ohm. I was connected. And it was like, oh my
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God. And I had no way to turn, no one to talk
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to. I didn't know if I could share this with
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the therapist thinking they'd commit me, thinking
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that who's gonna believe this? So. I'm back and
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I am on a high that I had never felt in my entire
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life. And what I'm realizing, too, you reach,
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you get connected and you become extremely intuitive
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because we are connected to that universal source
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energy. And did you just one quick question?
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Did you actually die and come back to life? I
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don't want to interrupt you. I stayed connected
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at the ankle. So but it was a time stood still.
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I knew that I had a choice. Take off or stay.
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and I was having such a good time on my cocaine
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high. It was fine. Yeah, it was good feeling.
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It was a feel good. I'm gonna stick around here
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for a long time. So I go to my therapy session,
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and about three, another three days later, and
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I said, Larry, I'm so high, I can't come down,
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and it's all natural. And the fact is, I don't
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wanna come down. A, I don't know how to. B, I
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don't want to. And, but I do have to integrate.
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And I think. that what I had to do was shut my
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mouth to my family, integrate it, find my tribe
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of people who've had these experiences. The people
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I used to think are weird are now my weirdo friends.
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Find these people and really get a group of people
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who I can talk to and integrate a natural state
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of awareness to living in a normal everyday.
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work environment and who to share the stuff with
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and who not to share this. So I'm doing this
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podcast to help people who do have an awakening.
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You can call it a spiritual awakening. You can
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call it whatever you want. It is powerful. It
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changed my life 180 degrees and I had to learn
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who I could share it with, who I'm not able to
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share it to. And to say it in a way that is grounded
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and that is not hyper hypomanic or that because
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It appears to be that way. We knew that if you're
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not grounded with it. So it's really about being
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grounded and awake and aware. Yeah. So thank
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you for that. And thank you for your honesty
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and your openness. So this is actually very common.
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And there's tons of research, tons of examples.
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I mean, you can you can look it up. Tons of people
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have this. all different types of experiences
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like this. I know two or three people that have
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had it. My spiritual teacher died like three
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times, flat -lined, when then she came back to
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life. And then each time, she was a practicing
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psychic and channeler and everything, right?
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From the very beginning. And every time that
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happened, she just got, her abilities just got
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stronger and stronger. And this is the reason,
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a lot of times, it's not always the reason, but
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this is a big... reason why this happens to people
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is so they could become more intuitive whereas
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this is their path for whatever is going to happen
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or whatever path they're supposed to go on and
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who they're supposed to help whatever the situation
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is and sometimes people need that that jolt you
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know or or whatever it's just not really something
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that can really be explained but Nine times out
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of ten, it's done so you could come out of it
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a different person. So now you could move on
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to the next chapter or whatever in your life
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because you wouldn't be this way if you didn't
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have that near -death experience, outer body
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experience, you know, change, whatever you want
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to call it. There's a hundred different ways
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that people do this. when there's a hundred different
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examples. But I mean, there's television shows
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about it. There's specials about it. There's
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all kinds of like I said, I know a few people
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personally. I haven't done it. I'm just naturally
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intuitive. And I just walk and walk around and
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talk to everybody and kind of like do it. It
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just comes natural for me, basically. It is a
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natural thing. I forget to mention that. I told
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Larry, when I went back for my third time, I
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said, Larry, I don't know whether to thank you
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or to be mad at you. He goes, why? What's going
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on? I said, I read the redemption and had an
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out -of -body experience. I am on a high that
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I can't condone. And he goes, his response was,
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and in the meantime, I was channeling, I was.
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people coming in our flower shop with their relatives
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who had deceased. It was validated. So I was
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having all that. And my biggest mistake, I have
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no regrets now, but during that time, I told
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my wife, I told my siblings, I told my family,
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they thought I was nuts. So I'm interested, the
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funny part was Larry says, I never told you to
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read the redemption. And I said, you know what,
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Larry? I said, with the stuff I've gone through
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in the past couple weeks, I said, I believe you
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and I believe that you channeled and it was supposed
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to come out email and I can't any other way.
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It's just the way that it's supposed to be for
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you. It's not something that can be rationalized
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or explained or thought through. It's not like
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a thinking process. It's just something that
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happens to somebody and that's the path that
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they're supposed to go on. And that gift or whatever
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they get from that That thing that happened is
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going to help them with whatever that path is
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that they're going to be going on after they
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come out of this experience. And that's and like
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I said, there's I mean, this shows about I mean,
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there's tons of there's 100 different examples
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and stuff. Like I was talking about my spiritual
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teacher and she was the one that helped me to
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do this work and to be a coach and everything.
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And that was she doesn't I don't do what she
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does. I kind of do. i don't do it like to the
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extent that she does i have some back and work
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that i do that. I don't really like reveal like
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in detail, but that doesn't really have anything
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directly to do with anybody. So there's really
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no reason for it to be said. But the point that
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we're trying to make here to this whole thing
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is not, I don't want to focus on this too much,
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but this one particular thing. But the point
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that we're trying to make here is that you had
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this thing happen to you, right? Where you went
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to see a therapist, you needed to make amends
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to your father, a few different things that happened.
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The question is, the big question is, what was
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your process? We know about the experience that
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you had, but what was your process when you went
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to the therapist and you found out that you needed
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to do this? What was your thinking about? How
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were you upset? Were you mad that you needed
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to do this? And how were you going to do this?
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Because you didn't know that this was going to
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happen. It just happened. So what was your process
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and what was your thinking about that? Yeah,
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I mean, I had no clue. I was I was doing uncharted
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territories for anything I'd ever read about
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or heard about. The only out of body experience
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I remember was the movie Ghost seeing Patrick
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Swayze on the table leaving. It was just like
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that. I can only describe it. And it was really
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amazing what it was, because I was opaque with
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my jeans on and shirt on, but in light form.
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And I didn't know what to make. I had no words
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for it. Do I be mad at you for telling me? Did
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you know about this? I don't think he knew about
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it. And I know he didn't because he said to me,
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Do you have some good people around you? And
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in the meantime, you've heard the phrase, when
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the student's ready, the teacher appears, I had
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three people around me who randomly picked me
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out, picked me out, told me about their stories
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randomly. I had my tribe with me to guide me
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through. One was a personal development teacher
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who had a yes course and got me to, I finished
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my career at 58 at the flower shop and do my
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own coaching now. And do I have time for another
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story that happened about a month ago? Yes, you
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do. So what I've learned is in how this has worked
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for me and have allowed it to work for me and
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to integrate it, I do know that we are intentional,
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intuitive, being energetic or spiritual beings
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having a physical experience. And once we're
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aligned with that, it really is an asset. And
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I use it as an asset to to connect with people.
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On a level of awareness that is intuitive and
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like Debbie, I can talk to anybody. My girlfriend
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says, I can talk to a stick for an hour. Is it
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probably right? So about a month ago, I, in my
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business group, a woman, I'm in a BNI group and
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a woman came down two hours north of Portland
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and Mangor to do a talk. And she was a coach
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and a leadership coach and life coach. And she
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did a great talk. After the meeting, I went up
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to her and said, I really like what you had to
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say. And she liked what I had to say in my one
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minute talk. I said, let's do a one -to -one.
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So two weeks later we have a one -to -one and
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we're talking. She's starting her, she's about
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a year and a half into her business. And in that
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half hour we talked, she told me she used to
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work for Jay Shetty and who's quite famous in
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the personal development and coaching field.
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He coaches coaches with his process and half
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hour. And she goes, so what else you got Steve?
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I said, well, I I channel dead people. She goes,
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that's cool. I said, I love that, because usually
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if someone goes, oh, that's weird or something,
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I'll go, what about those red socks? What about,
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I'll change the subject real quick. So she was,
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do you want to do it? She goes, yeah. I said,
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and basically I didn't go, I'm pretty normal.
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I think I'm normal, but obviously I'm not, I'm
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natural. And into some people that's weird and
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that's okay. So I... get her, she told me I can
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tell the story and tell her name. So it's Karen
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and French Canadian background is a lot of people
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in Maine are. And so, but I didn't put that together
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until I get, do you get a Pepe? And she says,
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yep. I said, Oh, Pepe is coming through. And
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Pepe wants to talk. I said, did he have a, I'm
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seeing a lake. I'm seeing, I saw the ripples.
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It wasn't the ocean. It was a lake or a pond,
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but I said, did you have a lake house? He goes,
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yeah. And I said, I'm seeing two girls in a yellow.
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Cool town canoe. Yup, me and my sister. I said,
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okay. Pepe wants to talk about fishing. Yeah,
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but we didn't, she goes, we didn't go fishing
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out of the canoe. I said, no, we had a power
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boat. I see the power boat. And he wants to talk
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about fishing. Does this resonate with you? She
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goes, oh yeah. And how it resonated with her
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was three days before we had our one -to -one,
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she talked to her best friend and says, I want
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to get a sign from Pepe that I did the right
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thing after my 20 year career with Jay. I want
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to know that I made the right choice and I want
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to have a sign and I want it to come from Pepe.
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And I've really made it specific and I want him
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to talk about fishing. So not only did you get
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to know me like me and trust me in that half
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hour, we now do bi -weekly, every other week
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we do a coaching accountability partner. What
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we're doing how we're growing what new ideas
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we're doing so I've got a great friend so I think
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that that's why I promote intuition and Intentionality
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like coaching so we know your coaching is more
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of like an intuitive channeling Reading kind
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of thing basically my first just incorporate
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it into that. It's not my it's probably 10 %
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of what I do if someone's Most people just wanna
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be happy and not to be stressed at work and stuff
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like that. That's 80 % of what I do. And then
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if they get to, I call it 10, that's infinite,
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what do you wanna do? My first client was the
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executive director for the Gestalt International
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Study Center. Four days into the thing, I'm channeling
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her husband who was deceased two and a half years
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prior. My first executive coach, she told me
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I can tell the story. She was the executive director
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of the Gestalt International Study Center in
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Boston. And part of that, she had a 30 year career
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as the head of HR for AT &T World. So she negotiated
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high powerful contracts, just one of my dearest
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friends today. And it's, so I think intuition,
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I love my intuition. I'm more ashamed of it,
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you know, cleared with everybody because some
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people take it in a way that it's not accurate.
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Right. So, how do you feel today, right this
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second, right now, based on this whole podcast,
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everything that we just talked about, how do
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you feel? Rounded, happy, content, listened,
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heard, and hopefully helping others who go through
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it and know that it's natural. And our society
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really doesn't support it. I mean, 33 years later,
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it's better now, but I don't think people are
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really supported. Or really, if you haven't...
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Experienced it yourself. How do you understand
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it? Yeah, and that was very good. Thank you And
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that's a very good way to close and then in closing
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I would like to say that this might be your experience
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It might not be maybe you got the listener got
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something out of this You might not have to have
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this exact experience Maybe you got something
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out of you know, anything that we said a little
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part of it or something but nothing can be a
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negative. Anything that's negative can always
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be turned into a positive. Regarding that we
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have to create the willingness in order to do
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it and say, put my foot down. and say this happened
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in the past and that's gone i'm gonna change
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right the second i could do something right the
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second to make my life better because i don't
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want to live this way anymore and you are an
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example of that what happened to you was just
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a natural thing that happened. But that is to
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me is really a gift because that allowed you
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in a very easy way to change into the person
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that you are now. That's the thing. And I have
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other podcasts, too. I have other shows. I mean,
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I have other episodes on here. You know, so I
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mean, the listener really has a variety because
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I have all different stories, all different people
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telling all different stories. So the listener
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really has a variety of things to talk about.
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And this is exactly what I'm trying. to accomplish
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on this show. I'm trying to help people, to show
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people that there is no such thing as a negative,
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that anybody can get out of any situation that
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they're in and they can make their lives 1 ,000
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% better. And that's definitely not an exaggeration.
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I think if they know somebody who's having a
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awakening to support them and to don't think
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that they're crazy, that they are going through
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something that's not understood, so do the research
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on awakenings, spiritual awakenings, awakenings,
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out of body experiences, know that they are a
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real thing. And so believe the people if they
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are actually telling the truth and get them some
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help with a great spiritual teacher, some or
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a therapist who understands this. Perfect. Yeah.
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Thank you. I appreciate that. As we close this
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conversation, as a reminder, that progress rarely
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comes from one big decision, but from the internal
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choices we repeat. If something from today's
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discussion connected with you, take a moment
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to notice how those internal choices showed up
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in your own life. This has been the Internal
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Shift Show. Thank you for listening, and thank
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you, Steve, for being on the show. I really appreciate
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it. Thank you, Debbie. It was fun, and hopefully
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your audience got some piece of information from
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this. Thank you. Thank you.
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Welcome to the Internal Shift Show. I'm Debbie
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Longo, transformational coach. This show explores
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how the way we think, decide, and respond internally
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influences where we end up over time. Today's
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conversation draws on real experience and expertise
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to look at how small internal shifts can change
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direction, momentum, and outcomes. I'm joined
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today by a very special guest, Steve Barton.
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Good afternoon, Steve, welcome to the show. Hi,
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Debbie, and thank you so much for allowing me
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to be on your show, and I hope to share some...
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Useful information for you and your audience
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and I'm looking forward to being interviewed.
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Perfect. Thank you. Thank you for being here.
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I'm gonna ask you to tell your story and point
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out a part or situation or scenario or life change
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in your story where you went through a process
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and the end result should always be positive.
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Now, I do this show for a few different reasons.
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And one main reason is because everybody has
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their own individual story. But there are parts
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to people's stories that other people can relate
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to. So maybe somebody is in a negative situation
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and they don't know how to get out of it. Or
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maybe they're in a scenario or maybe an abusive.
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situation or relationship or something like that
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and they just think that it's normal they just
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think this is the way that it's gonna be okay
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for the rest of my life and there's no way that
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i'm gonna get out of this now i don't believe
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there's any such thing as any negative situation
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or scenario or anything because anything that's
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negative can always be changed into a positive
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so basically what we're trying to show here is
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that this basically a light at the end of the
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tunnel. So anything anybody can get through anything,
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provided that they're willing and able to do
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it. If they want to do it, they're going to say,
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I don't want to be this way anymore. My life
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can be better than what it is. Those are some
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of the reasons why I do this show. So we'll talk
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about it a little bit more about it, too. So
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if you could do that for me, I would appreciate
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it. Thank you. Hi, I'm Steve Barton. And my story
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is a bit strange. Even to this day, I look back
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and and think how a lot of Strange things turn
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out to be quite good and to not judge what's
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happening, but to kind of go with it So it was
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33 years ago that I was 36 years old My first
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wife was with her. She was a VP of LL Bean in
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Maine, and I'm in Portland, Maine and All the
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C -suite executives were going to therapy 33
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years ago You didn't go to therapy and tell anybody
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and it was kind of a taboo that you went because
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there was something wrong with you It seemed
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like everything was happening, and I just knew
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that something was off. So I booked a call with
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the therapist. His name was Larry. I'll call
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him Larry, because that's his name. Kind of a
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Dr. Rogers type, older gentleman, probably in
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his 70s at the time. So I go, and I had the session,
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and he says, why are you here? I said, I have
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everything in the world that I want, and I'm
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not happy. And I said, that's f -ed up. And he
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said, I go, how long is it gonna take, and what
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can I expect? And what he said to me was, well,
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usually I say three months, but you're halfway
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there. And then he goes, what you can expect
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is mental health. And I didn't know what mental
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health was. So I said, okay, I'm just gonna go
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with this. And in the meantime, I was reading
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A Course in Miracles, Elizabeth Kubler -Roth,
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Death and Dying, and Stephen Covey, Seven Habits
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of Highly Effective People. I didn't know what
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I was setting myself up for. and I didn't know
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what was gonna happen, but I just had this draw
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in me that I've got to figure this out. I knew
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I had to forgive, of course in miracles, all
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about that, and I knew that basically that means
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let go. Within 10 minutes I'm saying everything
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I could possibly think of that could ever have
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been disappointing or traumatizing to me. So
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it felt like I was building up this pile of stuff
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in the middle of his floor, and I said, boy,
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that feels really good, and I'm gonna keep it
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here. And he goes, I don't want it. And I said,
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not my problem. I said, do you have homework
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when you go to therapy? What do you do? He goes,
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you know what you need to do. That was my first
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adventure on the treasure hunt, figuring out
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what I needed to do. I was going every two weeks,
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and I... My plan was to go two weeks, and so
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my homework assignment was figure out what I
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needed to do. And what I needed to do was forgive
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my father. And I had my first and only one -on
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-one father -son conversation with my dad. The
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first and only. And it was really good. It took
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me an hour and a half to get him to talk to me.
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But when we did, I told him everything I knew
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about family secrets and... and betrayals and
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everything. And I said, I loved you, loved him.
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And I left that meeting on a high that in the
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eighties, I had done Coke and I liked it and
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I stopped it quickly because I liked it, but
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it felt like that and it was natural. And I'm
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thinking, wow, this is amazing. So I go to a
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couple of days later, I'm going to the. my second
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session. And I said to Larry, I said, Larry,
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I'm on a cocaine high and it's natural. Has this
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happened to all your patients? He looked at me
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like, no. Well, I kind of like it. And it's natural
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and it's legal and I can do it myself. So he
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asked me what I'd done. I told him what I'd done.
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And the hour went by quickly and I said, is there
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another homework assignment? And he said, said
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it stood at the door and said, read the redemption.
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And the only redemption I've ever heard of in
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Portland, Maine is there's a bottle center. You
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bring down your empties and they give you five
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and ten cents for the redemption. So lived in
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this old house I bought, and there was a family
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Bible. It sounded biblical, so I'm going on that.
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It sounded religious. It sounded biblical. So
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that was my clue. Huge family Bible that came
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with the house. Nothing there was no glossary
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so I couldn't couldn't find it but I had been
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reading a course in miracles and and I looked
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in there was a glossary so I skimmed down it
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and Mid 200 pages there was the the egos final
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Awareness or something like that the the fear
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of redemption. I said bingo. So I'm sitting in
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my living room and reading this passage and it
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was very calming and very just reading it's when
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you figure out that you never left and I look
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up from reading halfway down the page and I was
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connected at my left ankle and I was stepping
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out and I didn't know what and in that time time
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stopped and I knew I had a choice to either go
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or stay and I had a vision that they'd find my
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parents and wife would find me on the couch dead
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quote -unquote and Oh, he's under a lot of stress
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at work, and this family business I ran. And
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he's under this, they were talking and they were
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making, he must have died of a heart attack.
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And I had that vision of going, no. And I took
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the, I was finally happy. And what I didn't say
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before was when I left, I had ideas of, I want
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to get a heroin high without heroin. And that's,
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I wanted to get high. And that's when he said,
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read the redemption. I threw the book down. I
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said the F word about 30 times, because I had
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no clue what I was involved in, and I figured
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that God would not take me if I said the F word
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ad nauseam. And it worked, apparently. So I don't
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recommend that to anyone, but I had nothing to
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go on, nothing to work with, and I threw the
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book, said the words, and it's back in my body,
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like you see on TV, if you're gonna see. things
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like Ghost and Whoopi Goldbergs, things like
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that. It's somewhat true. And so my mind is humming.
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I had this fine, it's the ohm, it's the cosmic
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ohm. I was connected. And it was like, oh my
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God. And I had no way to turn, no one to talk
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to. I didn't know if I could share this with
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the therapist thinking they'd commit me, thinking
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that who's gonna believe this? So. I'm back and
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I am on a high that I had never felt in my entire
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life. And what I'm realizing, too, you reach,
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you get connected and you become extremely intuitive
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because we are connected to that universal source
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energy. And did you just one quick question?
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Did you actually die and come back to life? I
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don't want to interrupt you. I stayed connected
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at the ankle. So but it was a time stood still.
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I knew that I had a choice. Take off or stay.
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and I was having such a good time on my cocaine
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high. It was fine. Yeah, it was good feeling.
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It was a feel good. I'm gonna stick around here
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for a long time. So I go to my therapy session,
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and about three, another three days later, and
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I said, Larry, I'm so high, I can't come down,
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and it's all natural. And the fact is, I don't
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wanna come down. A, I don't know how to. B, I
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don't want to. And, but I do have to integrate.
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And I think. that what I had to do was shut my
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mouth to my family, integrate it, find my tribe
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of people who've had these experiences. The people
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I used to think are weird are now my weirdo friends.
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Find these people and really get a group of people
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who I can talk to and integrate a natural state
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of awareness to living in a normal everyday.
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work environment and who to share the stuff with
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and who not to share this. So I'm doing this
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podcast to help people who do have an awakening.
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You can call it a spiritual awakening. You can
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call it whatever you want. It is powerful. It
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changed my life 180 degrees and I had to learn
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who I could share it with, who I'm not able to
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share it to. And to say it in a way that is grounded
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and that is not hyper hypomanic or that because
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It appears to be that way. We knew that if you're
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not grounded with it. So it's really about being
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grounded and awake and aware. Yeah. So thank
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you for that. And thank you for your honesty
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and your openness. So this is actually very common.
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And there's tons of research, tons of examples.
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I mean, you can you can look it up. Tons of people
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have this. all different types of experiences
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like this. I know two or three people that have
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had it. My spiritual teacher died like three
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times, flat -lined, when then she came back to
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life. And then each time, she was a practicing
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psychic and channeler and everything, right?
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From the very beginning. And every time that
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happened, she just got, her abilities just got
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stronger and stronger. And this is the reason,
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a lot of times, it's not always the reason, but
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this is a big... reason why this happens to people
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is so they could become more intuitive whereas
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this is their path for whatever is going to happen
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or whatever path they're supposed to go on and
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who they're supposed to help whatever the situation
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is and sometimes people need that that jolt you
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know or or whatever it's just not really something
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that can really be explained but Nine times out
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of ten, it's done so you could come out of it
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a different person. So now you could move on
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to the next chapter or whatever in your life
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because you wouldn't be this way if you didn't
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have that near -death experience, outer body
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experience, you know, change, whatever you want
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to call it. There's a hundred different ways
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that people do this. when there's a hundred different
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examples. But I mean, there's television shows
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about it. There's specials about it. There's
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all kinds of like I said, I know a few people
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personally. I haven't done it. I'm just naturally
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intuitive. And I just walk and walk around and
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talk to everybody and kind of like do it. It
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just comes natural for me, basically. It is a
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natural thing. I forget to mention that. I told
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Larry, when I went back for my third time, I
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said, Larry, I don't know whether to thank you
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or to be mad at you. He goes, why? What's going
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on? I said, I read the redemption and had an
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out -of -body experience. I am on a high that
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I can't condone. And he goes, his response was,
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and in the meantime, I was channeling, I was.
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people coming in our flower shop with their relatives
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who had deceased. It was validated. So I was
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having all that. And my biggest mistake, I have
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no regrets now, but during that time, I told
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my wife, I told my siblings, I told my family,
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they thought I was nuts. So I'm interested, the
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funny part was Larry says, I never told you to
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read the redemption. And I said, you know what,
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Larry? I said, with the stuff I've gone through
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in the past couple weeks, I said, I believe you
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and I believe that you channeled and it was supposed
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to come out email and I can't any other way.
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It's just the way that it's supposed to be for
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you. It's not something that can be rationalized
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or explained or thought through. It's not like
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a thinking process. It's just something that
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happens to somebody and that's the path that
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they're supposed to go on. And that gift or whatever
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they get from that That thing that happened is
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going to help them with whatever that path is
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that they're going to be going on after they
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come out of this experience. And that's and like
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I said, there's I mean, this shows about I mean,
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there's tons of there's 100 different examples
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and stuff. Like I was talking about my spiritual
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teacher and she was the one that helped me to
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do this work and to be a coach and everything.
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And that was she doesn't I don't do what she
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does. I kind of do. i don't do it like to the
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extent that she does i have some back and work
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that i do that. I don't really like reveal like
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in detail, but that doesn't really have anything
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directly to do with anybody. So there's really
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no reason for it to be said. But the point that
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we're trying to make here to this whole thing
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is not, I don't want to focus on this too much,
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but this one particular thing. But the point
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that we're trying to make here is that you had
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this thing happen to you, right? Where you went
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to see a therapist, you needed to make amends
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to your father, a few different things that happened.
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The question is, the big question is, what was
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your process? We know about the experience that
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you had, but what was your process when you went
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to the therapist and you found out that you needed
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to do this? What was your thinking about? How
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were you upset? Were you mad that you needed
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to do this? And how were you going to do this?
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Because you didn't know that this was going to
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happen. It just happened. So what was your process
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and what was your thinking about that? Yeah,
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I mean, I had no clue. I was I was doing uncharted
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territories for anything I'd ever read about
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or heard about. The only out of body experience
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I remember was the movie Ghost seeing Patrick
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Swayze on the table leaving. It was just like
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that. I can only describe it. And it was really
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amazing what it was, because I was opaque with
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my jeans on and shirt on, but in light form.
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And I didn't know what to make. I had no words
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for it. Do I be mad at you for telling me? Did
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you know about this? I don't think he knew about
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it. And I know he didn't because he said to me,
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Do you have some good people around you? And
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in the meantime, you've heard the phrase, when
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the student's ready, the teacher appears, I had
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three people around me who randomly picked me
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out, picked me out, told me about their stories
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randomly. I had my tribe with me to guide me
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through. One was a personal development teacher
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who had a yes course and got me to, I finished
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my career at 58 at the flower shop and do my
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own coaching now. And do I have time for another
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story that happened about a month ago? Yes, you
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do. So what I've learned is in how this has worked
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for me and have allowed it to work for me and
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to integrate it, I do know that we are intentional,
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intuitive, being energetic or spiritual beings
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having a physical experience. And once we're
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aligned with that, it really is an asset. And
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I use it as an asset to to connect with people.
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On a level of awareness that is intuitive and
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like Debbie, I can talk to anybody. My girlfriend
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says, I can talk to a stick for an hour. Is it
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probably right? So about a month ago, I, in my
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business group, a woman, I'm in a BNI group and
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a woman came down two hours north of Portland
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and Mangor to do a talk. And she was a coach
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and a leadership coach and life coach. And she
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did a great talk. After the meeting, I went up
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to her and said, I really like what you had to
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say. And she liked what I had to say in my one
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minute talk. I said, let's do a one -to -one.
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So two weeks later we have a one -to -one and
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we're talking. She's starting her, she's about
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a year and a half into her business. And in that
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half hour we talked, she told me she used to
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work for Jay Shetty and who's quite famous in
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the personal development and coaching field.
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He coaches coaches with his process and half
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hour. And she goes, so what else you got Steve?
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I said, well, I I channel dead people. She goes,
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that's cool. I said, I love that, because usually
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if someone goes, oh, that's weird or something,
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I'll go, what about those red socks? What about,
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I'll change the subject real quick. So she was,
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do you want to do it? She goes, yeah. I said,
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and basically I didn't go, I'm pretty normal.
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I think I'm normal, but obviously I'm not, I'm
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natural. And into some people that's weird and
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that's okay. So I... get her, she told me I can
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tell the story and tell her name. So it's Karen
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and French Canadian background is a lot of people
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in Maine are. And so, but I didn't put that together
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until I get, do you get a Pepe? And she says,
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yep. I said, Oh, Pepe is coming through. And
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Pepe wants to talk. I said, did he have a, I'm
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seeing a lake. I'm seeing, I saw the ripples.
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It wasn't the ocean. It was a lake or a pond,
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but I said, did you have a lake house? He goes,
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yeah. And I said, I'm seeing two girls in a yellow.
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Cool town canoe. Yup, me and my sister. I said,
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okay. Pepe wants to talk about fishing. Yeah,
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but we didn't, she goes, we didn't go fishing
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out of the canoe. I said, no, we had a power
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boat. I see the power boat. And he wants to talk
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about fishing. Does this resonate with you? She
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goes, oh yeah. And how it resonated with her
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was three days before we had our one -to -one,
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she talked to her best friend and says, I want
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to get a sign from Pepe that I did the right
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thing after my 20 year career with Jay. I want
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to know that I made the right choice and I want
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to have a sign and I want it to come from Pepe.
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And I've really made it specific and I want him
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to talk about fishing. So not only did you get
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to know me like me and trust me in that half
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hour, we now do bi -weekly, every other week
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we do a coaching accountability partner. What
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we're doing how we're growing what new ideas
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we're doing so I've got a great friend so I think
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that that's why I promote intuition and Intentionality
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like coaching so we know your coaching is more
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of like an intuitive channeling Reading kind
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of thing basically my first just incorporate
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it into that. It's not my it's probably 10 %
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of what I do if someone's Most people just wanna
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be happy and not to be stressed at work and stuff
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like that. That's 80 % of what I do. And then
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if they get to, I call it 10, that's infinite,
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what do you wanna do? My first client was the
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executive director for the Gestalt International
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Study Center. Four days into the thing, I'm channeling
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her husband who was deceased two and a half years
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prior. My first executive coach, she told me
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I can tell the story. She was the executive director
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of the Gestalt International Study Center in
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Boston. And part of that, she had a 30 year career
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as the head of HR for AT &T World. So she negotiated
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high powerful contracts, just one of my dearest
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friends today. And it's, so I think intuition,
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I love my intuition. I'm more ashamed of it,
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you know, cleared with everybody because some
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people take it in a way that it's not accurate.
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Right. So, how do you feel today, right this
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second, right now, based on this whole podcast,
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everything that we just talked about, how do
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you feel? Rounded, happy, content, listened,
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heard, and hopefully helping others who go through
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it and know that it's natural. And our society
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really doesn't support it. I mean, 33 years later,
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it's better now, but I don't think people are
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really supported. Or really, if you haven't...
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Experienced it yourself. How do you understand
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it? Yeah, and that was very good. Thank you And
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that's a very good way to close and then in closing
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I would like to say that this might be your experience
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It might not be maybe you got the listener got
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something out of this You might not have to have
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this exact experience Maybe you got something
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out of you know, anything that we said a little
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part of it or something but nothing can be a
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negative. Anything that's negative can always
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be turned into a positive. Regarding that we
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have to create the willingness in order to do
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it and say, put my foot down. and say this happened
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in the past and that's gone i'm gonna change
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right the second i could do something right the
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second to make my life better because i don't
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want to live this way anymore and you are an
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example of that what happened to you was just
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a natural thing that happened. But that is to
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me is really a gift because that allowed you
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in a very easy way to change into the person
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that you are now. That's the thing. And I have
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other podcasts, too. I have other shows. I mean,
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I have other episodes on here. You know, so I
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mean, the listener really has a variety because
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I have all different stories, all different people
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telling all different stories. So the listener
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really has a variety of things to talk about.
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And this is exactly what I'm trying. to accomplish
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on this show. I'm trying to help people, to show
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people that there is no such thing as a negative,
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that anybody can get out of any situation that
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they're in and they can make their lives 1 ,000
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% better. And that's definitely not an exaggeration.
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I think if they know somebody who's having a
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awakening to support them and to don't think
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that they're crazy, that they are going through
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something that's not understood, so do the research
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on awakenings, spiritual awakenings, awakenings,
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out of body experiences, know that they are a
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real thing. And so believe the people if they
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are actually telling the truth and get them some
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help with a great spiritual teacher, some or
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a therapist who understands this. Perfect. Yeah.
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Thank you. I appreciate that. As we close this
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conversation, as a reminder, that progress rarely
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comes from one big decision, but from the internal
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choices we repeat. If something from today's
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discussion connected with you, take a moment
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to notice how those internal choices showed up
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in your own life. This has been the Internal
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Shift Show. Thank you for listening, and thank
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you, Steve, for being on the show. I really appreciate
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it. Thank you, Debbie. It was fun, and hopefully
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your audience got some piece of information from
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this. Thank you. Thank you.
