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It's a big word, yeah, a slope or glide slope
if you're a pilot, a glide slope.
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So I say the first thing is to start your day
right.
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Whether you're a morning lark, a morning person
or a night hawk, I say, start your day correct.
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And I have what I call the morning checklist.
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The first thing you may have heard about, many
of your listeners have heard a famous Navy
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Admiral McRaven said, make your bed.
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Welcome to the Inspired Choice Podcast.
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My name is Doctor Caroline Bisalski and every
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authors, leaders and visionaries from around
the world about leadership, mindset, business
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Now let's dive into today's
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episode.
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Hello and welcome inspired podcast community.
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This is your new episode.
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My name is Caroline and my today's guest is
David Emerson Frost and I'm so happy that he
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said yes to our interview.
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How are you doing today?
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Caroline, I am living the dream.
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Thank you very much and thanks for letting me
chat with you.
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Oh, thank you.
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And I would like to introduce you, of course,
to the audience first.
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You are a best selling author, wellness coach
for seniors and competitive masters rower who
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helps people rethink what aging can look like.
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Through your books, Kaboomah and Strom
Toussaint, you champion a powerful idea.
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Aging is inevitable, but decline is optional.
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Welcome to the Inspire podcast.
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Wow, David Frost.
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Well, let's let's change that trajectory
Caroline.
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We can do it.
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Oh yes, we can do this.
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My first question for you is you often say
aging is inevitable but decline is optional.
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What mindset shift do people need to make to
truly live that philosophy?
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Yeah, so I was told by a Seventh day Adventist
who was a wonderful neighbor of mine here in
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San Diego that we're born with a disease, it's
called aging, we're born with it.
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So let's get over the fact that we're, we hear
about super aging and non aging and do this
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magical, take this pill and life is gonna be
good, and I say, Caroline, horse feathers.
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We know that genetics are a huge part of what
we're gonna become yet, the old saying, nature
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and nurture.
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So related to aging, I advocated that if people
figure out how to nurture a better future, yes,
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they can.
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So I think there's seven elements, not for each
day of the week, but seven S's so I can
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remember them.
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I argue that we can age on a different
trajectory by focusing on functional strength,
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stamina, stability to avoid falls, stretching,
clean anti inflammatory sustenance.
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Here's the negative, stress, don't stress, no
chronic stress, not allowed, right?
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Because aging and inflammation is one of the
things that ages us prematurely and restorative
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sleep.
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If we can mimic Morpheus and recharge our
bodies, I argue that those seven elements, the
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7S framework, I call it 7S.
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FIT framework, Caroline, will help people
change the trajectory and possibly the end
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result of seven to twelve extra vital years.
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If we think about our bodies like an
investment, I call it our physical portfolio,
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not fiscal or monetary in these crazy economic
times, our physical portfolio, we should think
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of ourselves as an aging $10,000,000 portfolio
and aging like a fine wine or a robust
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portfolio is okay.
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In fact, we appreciate it, right?
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We build interest and dividends on what we've
invested.
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And if we invest strength, stability, stamina
stretching, don't stress, anti inflammatory
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eating and restore to sleep, boy, it's a return
on your investment in the several 100%.
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It's a pretty darn good investment if people
know that if they move and if they eat well,
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they laugh and they communicate and have
purpose.
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Seven to twelve extra vital years on this crazy
planet inspires me just like it does those bees
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behind you, so.
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Wow, I love that nature and nurture.
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And then you talk about invest in the body or I
would call it vehicle, it's our vehicle, right?
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Vehicle, sure, Yeah, yeah, it's a framework,
it's an amazing, now we're not as amazing as
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some of the creatures in the animal kingdom
like those bees behind you, I'm not as strong
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as an ant is, but I can maintain my functional
strength and not concede to the dreaded S's of
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sarcopenia and senescence if I move, if I
restore my body and if I get clever with some
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things like time restricted eating, I can help
my body rebuild and restore.
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But you know what's really important, I call it
four Fs, I shared seven Ss, now I'm gonna share
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four Fs.
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Fight or flight, that's the stressful time,
right?
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If a big bad bear is chasing you or me, we
wanna be stressed, we wanna run fast, right?
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But that's fight and flight, but we need to
spend more time on feed and restore.
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So we can have episodic stress, we induce
stress with exercise and believe it or not,
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many folks may already know, but let me
reinforce, with exercise, we actually generate
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cytokines.
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Now, if you take it to the limit in a bad way,
a cytokine storm is things like COVID and
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terrible chest colds or worse, but we generate
inflammation and our body responds with rest,
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hydration, and protein to make our muscle
fibers a little thicker, a little longer, and
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we can stave off aging.
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So long winded, I apologize for wrapping
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What is the mindset?
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The mindset is yes, we can and don't give in.
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I wanna be late to my own funeral.
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How about you, Caroline?
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I wanna be late to my funeral.
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That sounds great.
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So they are reading your Orbituary.
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This is the word, difficult word.
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And you arrive from behind.
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It's like in Tom Sawyer, right?
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The story.
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Yeah, I love that analogy.
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And of course I have another question.
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It is: What are the most common myths about
aging that actually prevent people from staying
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strong and active later in life?
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If I could give three, let's start with number
one: I don't have time.
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And I say, phewey.
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Everyone can find a few minutes a day to do a
body weight exercise or move heavy stuff and
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even give yourself a hug to generate happy
hormones, which relate to this overall amazing
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neuromuscular system in mind that we have.
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I always say the muscle between our ears is
most important, right?
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Our attitude is so important.
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So the attitude that says, yes, I can find a
time to invest in my portfolio is number one.
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Number two, I have aches and pains and I'm not
as young as I used to be.
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And I say, brilliant, yes, we all have aches
and pains, call them niggles, call them aches.
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That shows that our body is either languishing
or you're using it enough.
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And if I say the day that I do not wake up with
delayed onset of muscle soreness, what we call
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DOMS, delayed onset of muscle soreness in my
world, I'm dead and I don't wanna be dead, I
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already wanna be late to my own funeral, Way
down, right?
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And I face the inevitable, the rapture, yet I
think I have some things to accomplish.
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And I think if people have purpose in their
lives, in fact, centenarians, the wonderful
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Blue Zone study say that with purpose, multi
generational families eat a Mediterranean diet
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and get up from the ground, you have a much
better chance of living to 100 and hey, 100
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could be the new 70, right?
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Hope you'll All make I know, Caroline, is that
my social security administration says I'm dead
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at age 85.
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Now that's my government, my government's
pretty smart, right?
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But I say, I'm gonna challenge you, I'm gonna
up you and say, I'm not gonna be dead at 85.
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I hope to still be racing competitively and
trying to share ideas about this trajectory of
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aging.
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So it was, I don't have time, I hurt.
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And the third one probably is the myth is,
well, everyone's a burden.
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As we get older and I'm sure if you're sainted
parents or parents of law are still with us,
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they probably have shared, I don't wanna become
a burden to you, but guess what?
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It's life, they are and we accept it and yet
what does that do to us?
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It causes stress.
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So I would hope, quote me please, I would hope
that I never become a burden to my kids and I
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mean it.
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I stand behind it and that's my guarantee.
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Mean, I you can push me off in a rowing shell
and blow me up when I'm done, but I do not
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wanna become a burden to my kiddos.
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So those three things I think are things to
think about certainly if there are more, but
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those are ones that shape what I'm doing.
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Yes, I love that not become a burden to your
kids.
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Of course, I never thought of it yet and I love
how you talked about is the word centenarian
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also to become 100 years.
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And I had a podcast guest, she said her goal is
to become a centenarian.
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And then I said, okay, let's make another
podcast interview when you reached your goal
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and we can do this too, of course.
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Thank you so much for sharing.
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Okay, my next question is your work plan for
science and personal discipline.
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What are three practical habits someone 50
could start today to dramatically improve their
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health trajectory?
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Trajectory, this is difficult the word.
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It's a big word, yeah, slope or glide slope if
you're a pilot, a glide slope.
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So I say the first thing is to start your day
right.
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Whether you're a morning lark, a morning person
or a night hawk, I say, start your day correct.
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And I have what I call the morning checklist.
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The first thing you may have heard about, many
of your listeners have heard a famous Navy
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Admiral McRaven said, make your bed.
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So when you make your bed, you start off with a
success, whatever time of day it is for your
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routine, make your bed.
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Second is to be observant.
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The third is to reflect on, hey, I'm alive
another day.
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Yes, I'm a little sore, but I wanna be a little
sore because I'm moving my two zero six bones
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and 600 muscles and exercising the muscle
between my ears.
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I have a forebear named Robert Frost, who was a
poet laureate.
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He said, The mind is a wonderful organ.
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It starts working the minute you wake up and it
doesn't stop until you get to the office.
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Isn't that funny?
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So I think it is anyway.
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So the idea that we're chatting about is just
starting off on the correct foot.
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Sure, have hiccups, we have sidesteps, we have
step backs and yet we take a deep breath,
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breathe, recover and say, yes, I can, right?
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We want the glass to be half full, not half
empty.
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So starting the day off right, whatever time of
day is uber important.
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The second thing is to remember, at least in
America, I call it Gothic behavior.
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Why is America one of the fattest and least
healthy countries on earth?
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Why don't we win Olympic medals like the
Norwegians or the Italians?
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I mean, we win some, we should, we're three
fifty million people, right?
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But I call it glothic behavior, that's gluttony
and sloth.
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Those are two of the original sins And if we
counter those by being careful what we eat, not
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eating processed food, Jack LaLanne said,
remember that, I don't know if you remember, he
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died at 94 with great physical exploits and
honored strong women.
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His epitaph said, it's better to wear out than
rust out, number one.
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And number two, if he said, if man processed it
or ultra processed the food that you eat, don't
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eat it.
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So that's the gluttony.
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The second bite tastes just the same as the
first bite, so why do we eat more?
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Our hormones get out of whack, right?
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So if we condition our hormones to be satisfied
with small portions or doing without things
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like ultra processed food.
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Madison Avenue is trying to kill us.
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They're getting rich and they're trying to kill
us with those things.
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So that's the gluttony.
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The sloth is we have become sedentary.
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Yes, I'm sitting, I apologize, I should be
taking your wonderful conversation walking
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around the park, but I'm sitting today, but I'm
gonna make sure that I move.
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It's not just a question of the steps, but it's
a question of moving your joints.
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So motion truly, it's not a platitude, it's a
mantra that motion and moving heavy stuff is
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really, really, really good medicine to
counteract glothic behavior.
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I know that's a, what's the fancy word,
portmanteau for a compound word, avoid gluttony
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and sloth, and maybe we'll chase being a
centenarian like the wonderful lady you
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interviewed.
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Wow, that's amazing.
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I love the idea you also said about healthy
habits so to say, make your bed.
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Of course I know this famous speech and you
start with the success and then other people
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call it morning routine.
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But it's important say things to yourself like
I love my life, I love being me, things like
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that.
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And also to observe.
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You encouraged us to observe our behaviour and
then to start eating more healthy organic foods
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you call it, right?
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Farm based if you can.
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Now it may be expensive, acknowledge and I
heard a very famous dietitian that I respect
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suggest we don't have to get it right every
day.
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In fact, if we get it right 80% of the time,
kind of like Pareto's law in economics, you get
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it right 80 to 85% of the time and you stray,
you go to a wedding reception and have a piece
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of cake or a bubbly, a glass of bubbly, in
moderation, that's okay because your body
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actually likes that trigger and then it says,
help me get back to homeostasis.
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And so we don't have to get it right seven days
a week, but I ask people to think about getting
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it right six days a week to honor the great
Italian economist, Pareto, and then move on.
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Our bodies actually are engaged by that stimuli
of a little extra sugar, a little extra alcohol
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and your hormones adapt and say, okay, let's
get back to doing healthy things.
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Yes, I love that.
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Thank you so much.
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Okay, I'm inspired already and my next question
for you is, looking at your own journey as the
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competitive rower and coach, what has longevity
taught you about resilience, purpose and living
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fully at every stage of life?
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Yeah, it's a great question and I think part of
the answer is chasing yesterday.
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None of us are teenage, well, teenagers are
teenagers, but none of us are teenagers
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anymore, so we should stop chasing yesterday.
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We should celebrate our journey.
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In fact, another, author in my family tree,
Ralph Waldo Emerson talked about the felicities
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of age.
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I celebrate being 73 and I celebrate my fitness
years, not my calendar years.
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I have trouble blowing out 73 candles, but my
fitness years are lower.
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My heart health is lower and because of
partially genetics, granted partially genetics,
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but because of what I've done, avoiding glothic
behavior, gluttony and sloth, my fitness years,
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I'm racing in three weeks in a boat of 30 and
40 year olds.
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And if I can keep up with that, I don't need to
lead them, I have to fit in and be a teammate
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to achieve.
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So we're not as young as we used to be, we're
not as capable as we used to be for all kinds
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of reasons.
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Our systems change, we need tune ups, our
maximum heart rate changes, but there are many
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things that we can do to accept where we are,
but not accept it totally, that we can fight
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it.
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Again, be late to your own funeral, but not as
a comatose palliative care person, a vital
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person.
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If I could give an example, I so admire Queen
Elizabeth.
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Now I know she had some domestic issues in that
crazy royal family and the family still has
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crazy issues.
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But you know, that one phrase, when you stop,
you drop.
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Just before she passed at the age of 96, she
interviewed the prime minister of The United
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Kingdom, fulfilling her duty and died suddenly.
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Now, one, that's a blessing, but number two, so
much of the diseases that we pick up in
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America, the conditions and diseases are
preventable.
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I've heard seventy five percent of cancers.
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I did not know until I had a little bit of a
scare with my own chest and it was just a
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scare, that eighty percent of Americans start
heart disease at the age of 20.
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At the age of 20, the start doesn't mean
they're gonna drop dead at age of 20, but they
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are starting because primarily lifestyle, diet,
stress, they're starting to accumulate calcium
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and sludge in their coronary arteries and
that's the number one cause of death in America
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is ASCVD, atherosclerosis cardiovascular
disease.
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Oh, by the way, it has accomplices, doesn't it?
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Metabolic syndrome, diabetes, dementia related
diseases.
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And isn't it sad that health and wellness are
not democratic?
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Women suffer more dementia related diseases
than men do, yet men suffer more suicides and
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many more mental health problems.
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So we want everyone to think of themselves, not
what you hear, Oprah Winfrey is an amazing
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advocate of fitness, but necessarily what she
says doesn't necessarily fit me.
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She's a little younger, she's different gender
and a different station socioeconomically.
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So I suggest to all your listeners, Caroline,
that every athlete is different.
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And if you can get up from a chair or move,
you're an athlete.
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And I want people to think of themselves as
athletes.
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I'm not talking about Norwegian super freaks,
I'm just talking about doing probably more than
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you think you can.
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And our bodies almost always, unless you have
an extraordinary condition, do more than you
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think you can.
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So the little engine that could, if you
remember that childhood nursery story, I think
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I can, I think I can?
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If you think you can, you probably can.
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If you think you can't, you won't.
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Right?
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That is Henry Ford.
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Yes.
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And I I love those quotes.
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Thank you so much for encouraging us to be the
athlete that's inside you, I would say.
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And we both met at LinkedIn and I invited you
to a podcast interview.
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I would like to know where can people find you
when they want to reach out to you after
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listening to this episode.
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Oh, well, thank you so much.
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So my authors and my landing page for fitness
tips are at wellpastforty and I'll spell it
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out, Caroline, W E L L P A S T F O R T Y dot O
R G.
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Wellpast40.org is the website.
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I'm available at davewellpast40.com or I think
you can probably find me on LinkedIn or
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Facebook or Instagram, David Emerson Frost on
Instagram.
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I try to offer several times a day some tips,
tricks and hacks for people to learn from my
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lessons.
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I don't always get it right, but I always share
my experiences and I think that is different.
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And oh, by the way, I'm not in the Epstein
files.
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So I promise I'm not
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in important the Epstein files.
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To know, of course, otherwise I would not be
interested in doing this podcast interview of
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course.
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Thank you for mentioning it.
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And my last question for you is about your
goals.
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Do you set goals for yourself or intentions and
what is one of your next projects?
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Thank you very much.
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So yeah, I think I'm a military guy, but then
also from my teachings at business school, I
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talk about three goals, tactical, operational
and strategic.
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Strategically, I wanna be a good grandparent.
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I wanna try to inspire others with what I call
the big Kahuna movement, which is keep
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America's health span unabated.
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We can do better with these preventable things
that if we get organized and move, we can avoid
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heart disease and things like that, or change
the trajectory.
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So that's number one.
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Number two, would say that operationally I want
to continue to perform as if I was a younger
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person.
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Now, I don't have my ring on now because it's
charging, but I have a fitness device, if it's
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okay to mention a trade name, you go.
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I wanna keep my heart age negative, meaning my
heart is younger than this old body that you're
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speaking with and listening to, okay?
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And now it's not totally accurate.
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I did have my pulse wave velocity measured
about eighteen months ago and my heart based on
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pulse wave velocity, the thickness of your
arteries and endothelia and all that magic
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medical stuff, it was eight years.
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So you're talking to a 73 year old, but as far
as my heart is concerned, even though I had a
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little bit of a challenge with calcium buildup,
my heart is 65.
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So what am I gonna do with those eight years?
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I'm gonna invest them and try to help other
people do good things for longer and better.
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As I say, thriving and striving into your
nineties.
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And then strategically, the Big Kahuna Movement
is my, so book number three is called Burden or
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Vanish and that's when I mentioned the big
kahuna, keep America's health span unabated,
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Caroline.
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When I learned that heart disease starts in
eighty percent of Americans, eight zero percent
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of Americans as early as age 20, we're doing
something wrong.
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What do we do in Western medicine?
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We prescribe pharmaceutical solutions.
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I call it polypharmacy, but the lead statement
of my book, Caroline, knock knock, it's a knock
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knock joke, okay?
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So this isn't Kaboomer, my first book I wrote
in the middle of, or I launched in the middle
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of COVID.
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Knock knock, who's there?
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A baby boomer and a Kaboomer.
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Well, the person asked a baby boomer and a
Kaboomer who?
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Well, a baby boomer who takes two pills at a
time and a kaboomer who takes two steps at a
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time, Caroline.
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That's a big difference, pills or steps, Gothic
behavior or healthy living, we can do better.
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Some folks are on it and yay to them.
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And by the way, some of my ideal followers and
listeners are already very fit, but they wanna
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stay that way or get fitter and it's possible.
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But I want everyone in spite of the
undemocratic nature of health and wellness, I
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want everybody to know that not only can they
do better themselves, but they can inspire
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others to do better.
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You don't have to become a world champion.
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Yes, I'm blessed to be a world record holder
and world champion.
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I'm lucky to be in a sport that fits my body
and my lungs and my muscles, but you don't have
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to be a champion, you just have to progress.
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Remember it's progression, not perfection that
counts, right?
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So tactical, operational, strategic, goals.
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I love that.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes, and you talked about sustainability,
right, and consistency.
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Of course, it doesn't it's not enough to take
two steps one day and the other six days of the
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week you stay complacent or I don't know if
this word is appropriate but you also talked
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about six days of healthy living and then to
show your body what is not preferable, so to
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say.
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Okay, thank you so much for our interview and
now it's time for your final thoughts to the
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audience please.
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Well, if we can go back to, instead of
mentioning Henry Ford, because you nicely
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mentioned Henry Ford, let's remember the wife
of America's longest serving president, Eleanor
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Roosevelt.
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She challenged all of us to do something
uncomfortable or difficult every day.
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Make your bed and then try to do something
that's a stretch, that's uncomfortable, that's
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a challenge.
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Yes, I can.
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Thank you so much, I'm inspired now.
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And I see you in the next episode.
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