Beyond the Physique: The Questions You Should Be Asking

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Thank you for sitting down.
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I actually wanted to touch base with you because I've been dying to have this conversation with you.
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With AI and everything happening now in social media and this trainers, most of our marketing is online in order to generate clients and things like that, doing the work as well as growing your business.
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But I personally have a lot of pet peeves when it comes to social media and marketing.
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A lot of it is doing right by the consumer.
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So people that want to come and find a trainer, someone who they can trust and take this journey on board, their first go-to is social media and what they see.
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Do you have any specific pet peeves that hit you every time you jump on there and see some trainers marketing?
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Um I guess the biggest thing these days is, as we've spoken about once before, it's who's becoming who's the best salespeople and who are the best marketers and who's just seen the most.
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Who can use enough platforms, who can use, you know, get their face out there.
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And become more popular.
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Yeah, become more popular.
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And almost sometimes it's faking it till they make it.
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And I think we're even seeing a trend in things outside the gym where even trainers and good coaches are having to do other things to try and go viral.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Um, or get follow-ins and get notice that way.
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Like it's some of us getting pretty, pretty extreme.
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It's getting pretty extreme.
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Well, we were just discussing earlier that we spend sometimes more effort and energy on creating needless content than we do with our clients just to make sure that we can keep our business flowing.
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I think that's a catch-22.
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But AI does make that a little bit easier.
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But I personally now I'm at the point that I can literally see who uses AI and who doesn't.
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And the biggest thing I notice is that most people are letting AI do the work rather than letting AI work for themselves.
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Yeah.
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But have you ever had any clients that have come through to see you done fantastically well in a comp and something that had left and all of a sudden they've become the next new coach?
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Uh yeah, 90% of them.
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90% of them.
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It's one of the biggest things when I see people will actually compete too well, and then next plan they have this whole new structure of clientele.
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This is a bit of a trigger for me.
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Admittedly, I'm not that good as most of these people are in their marketing.
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So that's my insecurity kicking in.
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When I see them doing so well, I'm like, but they don't fucking know shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, me too.
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That's that's my that's on me though.
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But the reality is it also comes with this thing because I take a lot of pride and honestly responsibility in what I give to my clients.
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So this to me is just much um a quick way to make a buck at somebody's expense.
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Do you find that that affects your business?
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Do you have to compete against people that are nobody's?
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Yeah, definitely.
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Um, it's starting to feel like, you know, if you you can't beat them, it's join them sort of thing.
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Like, um, obviously, my business was built on word of mouth and having great success rates on and off the stage with people.
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And honestly, didn't have to do too much to be busy.
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Like the word of mouth always spread pretty far, and obviously my own competing and showing my physique and stuff as well.
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Um, and that was a good time to be honest.
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But again, times change and you can't be left behind, and you've got to adapt to anything.
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Um, but I think the danger becomes in you know, most of these people aren't even qualified in anything.
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They may have done a show training for minimum time, and then next thing the next the next new coach.
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The next new coach.
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The next new coach, the new late thing.
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And most of them and most of the time all they've done is, you know, they may have done a prep well with you, and and that's all they know.
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Like they don't know you try and teach them along the way, obviously, of why we do things and why we change things and and give them that knowledge, but that's you're not gaining enough to go out there and there's also very specific knowledge because it's formative price to them, to the general population, you know.
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And I I I in today's new day and age, with everything that's happened the last five years, especially on the medical side of things, a lot of people go back to the science, trust the science.
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What qualifications do you have?
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And as much as that there's generic people out there that have never don't have any substantial credentials, there's also people out there that have the very basic credential.
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And I have like this it's like a double-edged sword that just because you've got the qualification doesn't make you good, and just because you've done the work doesn't make you good.
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I think there needs to be an amalgamation of have you applied the knowledge you know to your own journey.
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And I think that's where reputation kicks in.
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Back in the day, you couldn't really market much unless you rang up the local newspaper to put something in the community, right?
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And you do a show and then you buy the magazine, hoping somehow you made it into the show or into the magazine.
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And the reputation was built by your respect from your peers as well as the audience, it had to be earned.
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Now people are telling people how good they are.
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The biggest thing I find is that that's also created discrepancy in clients because now clients are coming to you expecting results but not being accountable themselves for the results because they've been sold on a certain program.
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And when you get to sell a program online, for example, saying, This is the best program, cost you a hundred bucks, this will build your beauty.
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And another woman has genetically a really strong group, and she's selling the program.
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How does that play out?
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Yeah, well, of course that's where people are gonna go.
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And half the time people don't investigate these things as well, and the history of what led to that said body part or why she looks that way.
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It's just, I want that, I see that now, and I want that.
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And they just act on emotion, and then that's their coach for the next six months.
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And I would argue that that's also one of the risks of social media.
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Everything's automated now.
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So you can pretty much jump on Instagram just because you want to scroll, ended up spending 150 bucks on a program you didn't need or want.
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Yeah.
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And it's so quickly because it's all automated.
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Back in the day, people would actually come and sit with you and they would do a program with you and they would spend time with you, and it became this accountable journey.
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Yeah, you'd make sure you're have a sit-down first, make sure you're a good fit for each other.
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Exactly.
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You know, get to know the person before you're even committed to the whatever the process may be or the program or anything.
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Well, I personally have another pet peeve is when people ring me up to interview me as a coach.
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Now that's not a pet peeve as far as me saying, oh, yeah, I don't, of course, interview me to see if I'm a right fit, but I'm interviewing you whether I've got the right skills to to help you with what you need.
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So when I look at that, I see as mutual.
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But the part is is when you're online, they're not interviewing these trainers, they're just being sold on what's been presented to them.
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Then you hear everyone else complaining about social media and there's not enough regulation.
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And I saw now on the news as well that they want trainers to belong to another organization that it's all mediated, it's all controlled.
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As much as I kind of agree with the fact that what you can market needs to be maintained and organized.
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Do you have the credentials to be offering what you do?
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I still argue that the onus isn't up to the trainers as well as any governing bodies, it's up to the consumer.
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I think that a lot of people are taking the oh, I just did him, he promised me this and I didn't get it.
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So, but did you actually look at the research?
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Did you find out what it is they were offering?
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Because they delivered, but you were expecting more.
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Whose fault is that?
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Yours or the consumer?
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Yeah, with people the consumer not taking accountability for their actions as well.
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Their own actions.
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So what would you suggest would be the best approach if a consumer was looking and wanting to change who they are?
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What advice would you give anybody in finding the right coach?
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Um first see if you can delve into the history of that person, you know.
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Obviously with social media and AI and things, it's easy to find out everything pretty quickly about people.
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Find out where they've come from, who they've helped before, what what they have studied, what they have competed in.
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Instead of just jumping on because old mate's sitting in front of a Lamborghini or he's offered Bali living the lifestyle you want.
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Exactly.
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That does not mean that him being your coach and fitness will help you get there.
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A hundred percent.
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And then when you do that, but like what's the first step?
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I would argue is finding out what you want and what you need.
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And most people nowadays just don't want to do the work.
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They're also in the industry where cost is a big issue.
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I find that a lot of people that are overcharging are the ones that are underprepared to actually deliver.
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Do you have that experience yourself?
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Yeah, I find that um most of the people charging the big bucks.
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Obviously, you have your seasoned professionals, but then the others are again just news car salespeople.
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And so they're just they're telling you how important they are and how good they are at what they do, and they're just sucking you into these big uh weekly or monthly or yearly price packets.
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And do you think that particularly lifestyle people is there people that are competitive people?
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I think it tends a little bit more to the lifestyle because they like the the flash and the smoke and mirrors, they don't really realise what's going on there.
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So it's a lot easier for those people to target the lifestyle people because they they won't look into their the history and what's led that person to be where they are.
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Yes.
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Um whereas obviously competitors, especially seasoned competitors, will will look into that sort of thing a bit more and know the history about their their coach and things like that.
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And look, it doesn't mean a good athlete is a good coach and a good coach is a good athlete.
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Yeah.
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But um, you know, it sure as hell helps if if they're at least, you know, limit it themselves and well, I mean, I've had that question a lot of times.
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People go, how come you still see Logs?
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Why do you always go up to Logs?
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I'm like, because I'm an athlete when I'm with Logs.
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It's a whole different dichotomy.
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It's an a different shift in my perspective of when I train.
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And I I always used to joke and say, you'll have a great session on your own, especially if you've got a good background, you'll have an even better session with a matching training partner, but nothing beats a PT.
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And when I brought my son, he was like blown away with the first session.
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But I said, Do you realize it was because you had Logan watching you?
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So in your brain, the intensity of every rip was even higher.
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Just that shift has changed.
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Before you even learn learnt anything, it's it's already just that shift.
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And just that shift of now you're being watched and your presentation has to be on point.
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Yeah and it just the focus tighter, the focus is more, I'll push myself more.
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Which is very different to just finding a program that you've given and it's just on the side.
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And as much as I understand the idea of programming and things, but again, I'm a big believer in face-to-face.
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And I could very easily work with you into stakers, one in Brisbane, one in Gold Coast, but actually driving down and being one-on-one with you makes a huge difference, not just to my performance, but my frame of reference for when I train on my own.
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Exactly.
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And I think that's the biggest risk with online things, people do it on themselves, but then not actually building their muscle the right way.
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Yeah, I guess um even if a good coach is going over exercise videos and um offering support that way, it's none of it's the same when it especially when it's a lifestyle person, to be able to explain every part of the movement over so many exercises at once, you know.
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So, you know, people might offer a couple of training critiques a week.
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You know, it's a year before you get through all the exercises.
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Yeah, and and and you've actually had international clients of yours fly to Australia to spend a one or two week training INSL with you for that very reason.
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Yeah.
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And most of them have actually done incredibly well when they go back.
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You would argue that it's because of that hands-on experience that it upped their gate.
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And it comes back to even with the the bodybuilding clients as well.
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So seeing them in person, being able to see skin texture, possibly do skin folds, I still value that.
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Um, see it in person and how it moves under the lights rather than just a flat video or even worse, some of these guys just doing a few pictures.
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Exactly.
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And the pictures are never consistent as much as they try to be, and even not the right time.
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One thing that I do with my clients, my online clients, there is no such thing as emails, like correspondence, but our check-ins on email, they're face-to-face, virtual.
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And a lot of them struggle with that because they want to do it when it suits them or they're flexible with their schedule.
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But I'm a big believer in self-commitment.
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If you actually commit to something and you sit down and actually force yourself to have a face-to-face interaction, even if it's virtual, it's better than not even seeing the person at all.
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Yeah.
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Nowadays, with the online social media and everything else that's going on, a lot of these athletes are competing.
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Do you feel that a lot of coaches are pushing people into competition, or is this people that just genuinely are intrigued by competition?
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Yeah, it's hard to say whether it's just becoming more and more popular, again, because of social media, um, or if there's more people generally wanting to do it.
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Um obviously it's great for numbers and things like that, and there are better athletes probably now because people are more compliant year-round.
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Yes, um, I feel.
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But the back end is probably worse than ever because you get in all these people doing shows.
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Um they're doing it under naive pretenses sometimes.
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Like they're not, they have no idea what they're getting themselves into.
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Um, you know, that's even if they make it to stage, half of them are gone halfway through these days.
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So I'm seeing um across the board less and less success rates of finishing a prep or finishing a prep in the correct condition for their division.
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I agree.
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I agree.
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And I think another problem is coming back to social media, um there's not enough out there of people going through the hard times.
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Everyone's sharing the highlight reel, everyone's sharing um the accolades on the day, and it's all smiles, and no one not saying prep has to be, you know, horrible and hard all the time, but you know, we're trying to get to body fat levels that the body doesn't want to go to.
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And um, I don't think people realize what it what it takes sometimes for most people to get into that stage-ready condition.
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Well, I think the uh yeah, I think it's been kind of glorified a little bit, and I do agree that most people drop out.
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I would add two reasons.
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One is exactly what you said, social media makes it look easy, the hard times hit them as like a shock.
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But the other thing is because I don't think people actually recognize the commitment they were going into.
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And many people that want to compete into a competition, yes, as much as it's a bodybuilding competition, I believe it's a very much a character development cop.
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And I've had this discussion with you before in our sessions where if I was hiring somebody for a job that was high stakes role and it was going to require a lot of them, and they had told me that they were in a competition but never actually gone on stage, but they did their prep.
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Depending on the reasons, I'm not sure I'd hire the person.
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And there's a why not?
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Just there's many reasons why you can't make no, it's the attitude about the follow-through.
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I feel like a lot of people now want to do it, but they don't want the work involved.
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Yeah.
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And and a weak coach is going to allow people to start a prep without addressing this beforehand.
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One of my goals wanted to compete, and maybe I'm a little bit old school as well.
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I find I'm a little more reluctant to encourage women to compete because I do understand the consequences of a show for them compared to men generally.
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And I also said, Well, what's your why?
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Like, what's the point?
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And she's like, Well, I just want to get on stage and something I've always wanted to do, and I thought it would be fun.
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And I'm like, Hyrocks is fun.
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Yeah.
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Like I've had a lot of that lately, and people just um yeah, I went to watch a family member, and um, they did so well and looked like they had such a good time.
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And um, you know, I've been in the gym for six months, so I think it's now my time to do a competition, get on stage and uh like Do you have any reservations with Garden?
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Yeah, no, not at all.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Frickin' huge.
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And a lot of coaches go, oh, awesome, that's another 20 weeks, 20 weeks worth of clients.
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20 weeks locked in, they put the price up a little bit, and um And iron's and it's usually people sharing more of their journey and it's more advertising, so the coach is all for it.
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And what happens after they flunk and then whose fault is it?
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It's the industry.
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It's toxic.
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I had to I literally read a post where some guy competed for two or three years and then turned around and said, I had to go on hiatus from bodybuilding competitions to uh improve my relationship with food.
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And that to me was really strange to eat because I figured if you've competed, you should have a good relationship with food.
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And by a good relationship doesn't mean it's a happy relationship, but it means it's an all way.
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Yeah, I understand my body, I understand the cravings, I understand what so you you are you're realistic about the situation.
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If you've lost yourself and you're binging and doing that because of bodybuilding, the problem existed before that.
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So I think a very uh coward's way out of the situation is by blaming the industry.
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Because I don't care whether it's uh there's politics in javelin throwing, in boxing, in martial arts, UFC, bodybuilding, any industry at that level is going to be toxic at some point.
00:17:54.160 --> 00:18:01.279
If you then label the industry as toxic and you become the victim of it, then again takes no accountability of the choice that you made.
00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:08.000
Do you find that you've got a lot of people that have that approach to their competition prep?
00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:13.759
Yeah, it always becomes poor me when the going gets tough, but when they've chosen to do it.
00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:25.920
On average, out of the people that could be, because you've got a large amount of people at the beginning of every season keen to do a show, what would be the people that actually finalise and get on stage and do a show?
00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:28.880
Uh it's still probably 75-80%.
00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:30.960
That's higher for most people.
00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:31.200
Yeah.
00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:35.039
But I generally work with a higher calibre of athlete.
00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:42.480
I don't have as many first timers, and if they're first timers, generally they've been in the gym for five, six, seven, eight years.
00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.759
So they are a little bit more seasoned and have a bit more self-discipline.
00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:50.720
But I would also argue that that's something that you introduced to them when they're first told you they wanted to compete in.
00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:54.720
Yeah, well, half of them have, you know, the set of set plans been a couple of years anyway.
00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:59.839
So it's not that often I'll accept someone at at 20 weeks out from a show and let's just get into it.
00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:01.200
And let's just make anything.
00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:05.599
Yeah, unless they've got a a history or they're in good condition and things like that.
00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:11.440
But generally, you know, the minimum you want to do with someone is okay, let's put the work in for a year.
00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:23.839
Get to get you to know your body, and um obviously put you in a good position to compete, but not only um physically, mentally and financially.
00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:35.599
That's the biggest I'm losing people, people financially, things go wrong and suddenly they can't pay their bills because they don't even have enough savings to you know, sustain what cost travel and um sustain.
00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:40.559
That's another thing of people not looking into what they want to do enough.
00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:42.640
Like bodybuilding is expensive.
00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:45.200
A show is very expensive at the tail end.
00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:45.759
It is.
00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:52.640
So there's a lot of people that go, I might be able to afford coaching, supplements, all this, and that's if nothing goes wrong in their life as well.
00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:55.440
Obviously, emergencies pop up, things like that.
00:19:55.519 --> 00:20:07.680
But anyway, um moving on to you know the end of prep these days, like it's this is before we even count the girls' bikinis, it's twelve hundred dollars to stand on stage for that day.
00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:08.799
Yeah, you know.
00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:14.480
Um, and while we're touching on that, like a lot of those people will have days off work prior to and after.
00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:18.799
So again, depends if you've got holiday pay or sick pay um or whatever.
00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:24.400
So you you know, your income's down, you're spending more than ever, you know, you've got blood work in there.
00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:27.519
Um, but even in the day, it costs a lot.
00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:29.920
Like, you know, just depending on your division.
00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:38.799
Every federation these days is, you know, um, just to make people aware, there's there's a$150,$200 membership fee.
00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:43.519
Often Regio's is three to five hundred dollars, maybe it's for one division.
00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:48.160
Every division after that is from$150 to 2 250.
00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:55.519
Um and you know, if you're gonna do a comp, like you if you just get up there once, um, when you're a newbie, it's gonna be a blur.
00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:56.160
Yeah, it will.
00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.400
So, you know, with most athletes, it's like I want you to do two or three divisions.
00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:09.440
So, you know, the first one's the blur, and you can and you can compose yourself and get up there again, and usually they get better and better um and get more out of it.
00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:15.119
Um so yeah, a financial commitment is a is a massive one that people don't talk about enough.
00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:23.759
And that's just for a state show, like let alone flying or wanting to do nationals or being at the level to compete overseas, obviously, is a whole nother ball game again.
00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:36.880
But um, even nationals, you know, flying into state these days, you need two or three days down there, so there's another$900,000 of accommodation, and then another thousand dollars do the show again, you know.
00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:52.559
But then I also think a lot of people that are struggling in the middle of the financial costs, I'd argue that there's more relationship costs with this, where people are ending up breaking up families, there's a lot of toxicity afterwards.
00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.319
A lot of people argue by competing with kids how tough it is.
00:21:56.799 --> 00:21:59.759
Um I think that's the biggest thing is like if you want to do something.
00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:07.359
Like this, it's not just your commitment, it's the impact it has on everyone else around you.
00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:11.039
And if you are aware of that, you can be accountable to that.
00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:17.839
The biggest shock that most people get, especially if it's their first couple of shows, is how resistant their body is.
00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:20.720
Because it's the first time your body will fight you the whole way.
00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:22.400
Because it doesn't want to get that lean.
00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:23.519
Yeah, it's never been that lane.
00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:24.400
It's never been that lean.
00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:28.960
And it and as much as you think you're not getting there, you are, but it's just your first prep.
00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:31.200
Your body's not used to that cycle of conditioning.
00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:33.440
From that fact that been there your whole life.
00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:34.400
Your whole life.
00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:48.319
So you can almost argue that your first show, people have this expectation about winning pro cards and getting first place in their first show, but really your first show is practice round one, practice round two.
00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:53.039
Maybe by your third season, your body's adapted to the continental practice.
00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:56.079
Which is what I've seen you do with some of your clients.
00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:05.119
They want to come in and jump and train straight away, want to get into a comp and you look at them and say, Well, I can see what you look like visually, it's all there, but how is your function?
00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:06.559
Are you eating enough?
00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:08.640
Are you eating just like you're on the baseline?
00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:10.400
What's your metabolism like?
00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:15.119
And then you give them about a six-month hiatus of where you get to learn.
00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:26.480
And if they need more time, you'll actually do like mini preps in their training where they rebound, they die down, do a photo shoot so the body can get used to the fluctuations.
00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:29.839
Is that a good approach if somebody wants to compete?
00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:31.359
Yeah, absolutely.
00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:34.480
Because it pretty much conditions the body and what's expected.
00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:34.960
Yeah.
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:43.359
But wouldn't that also lead to a better balanced mental athlete by the end of the day, because they've had that experience?
00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:43.759
Yeah.
00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:46.400
Yeah, they learn more, become more accountable.
00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:52.559
The other the problem with that though is is having athletes commit to that or people commit to that.
00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:53.440
They're not athletes yet.
00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:54.559
Well, exactly, yeah.
00:23:54.720 --> 00:24:04.160
But um, because if you lay that out for someone who's set on competing in the next six months, which some people just decide on the spot, you know, they'll go find another coach.
00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:17.839
So it's laying out what's the right way to do it, and hopefully you're dealing with a person who can see the the long road and um you know, but getting to further in a shorter period of time.
00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:18.559
Exactly.
00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:25.200
Because you actually go a lot quicker with the slower you go, the quicker you'll get there as opposed to the other way around.
00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:30.160
But then that goes right back to my point that the responsibility falls on the consumer.
00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:42.240
Just if you're not getting what you want from a coach who has a reputation, then maybe you should step back and say, Well, maybe I need to address my own belief system rather than go, well, fuck him, I'm gonna go find somebody else.
00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:44.079
Yeah, yeah, because that's the risk.
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:47.200
But this is the other thing that is a P for me.
00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:58.079
There's a lot of scavenger trainers out there that love that because they can just latch on and they tell you what you want to hear, and that leads the person in the wrong direction.
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:05.200
We can't really control those scavenger coaches, we can only inform the public.
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:13.839
So do you have like three things or four things to consider before you decide to do a competition?
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:15.440
What would that be?
00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:26.079
Uh well sort of we just covered the four four of the main points is um being uh emotionally ready, being obviously physically ready.
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:34.319
Um, you know, you don't want to enter a prep if you've got needles everywhere and your weights are down and things like that, and you haven't checked your blood work in recent times.
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:56.160
You also, as you said, you don't want to be um you know entering a prep with your calories low, but your output through the roof um on the wrong supplements because you all the tool half the tools are played, and you need every tool in the shed to get you into the appropriate condition and the best possible point.
00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:13.200
Um so obviously it's you know, you want that that client coming to you with um eating as many calories as possible, um while holding a maintaining a good quality body fat, as little injuries and niggles as possible, and then again financially ready.
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:17.839
And one of the biggest ones is um stable relationships with those around you.
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:18.799
100%.
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:24.960
But then the accountability of you are gonna go through this, not everybody else.
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.200
This is your choice, your sacrifice.
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:31.759
Like sacrifice training, people always say, 'cause you guys have to sacrifice so much.
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:34.960
We say, yes, but it's a willing sacrifice.
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:38.640
You want to become a steal, you have to sacrifice a lot.
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:40.640
You understand what you're gonna go through.
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.000
And when you come out the other end, that's what makes it amazing.
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.000
That to me is also another scary part.
00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:56.079
When you see people compete on show day and everyone's having so much fun and the energy is so high, it's because they've spent the last half to 20 weeks working their asses off.
00:26:56.640 --> 00:27:01.359
And people don't see the last 20 to 12, 12 weeks, they just see the end result.
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:11.759
And um, it's very easy to be an athlete and be caught in that elated state of preps up, especially when you've done well.
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:16.559
And life does become easier because you've been under tension for the last 20 weeks.
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:39.920
But now that falls away, and you've got the freedom to focus on your business, and uh but that also creates a very excited state, a frantic state where you kind of risk going too far aboard and pushing the same perpetual bullshit that we're just talking about on social media, where you're selling a false promise at your own risk.
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:47.920
How many people do you know that have done a show, done well, and pretty much just regurgitated their own prep to their clients?
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:50.240
Oh, yeah, 50-60%, yeah.
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:51.519
Really that high.
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:52.000
Yeah.
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:55.680
But there's never any mention of the coach you just had anymore.
00:27:55.920 --> 00:28:05.440
You know, they go through pre prep almost, you know, wanting to tag you in and wanting to add you to everything, and then prep's over, suddenly they did it all on their own.
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:18.720
It was all very because now they've started their coaching business and um it's it's let me help you, and um, you know, there's there's no more uh mention of the mentor and the coach that they had before.
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:28.160
And uh which is fine, but you know, at the same time, most most of my I'm a coach of coaches, so I'm used to it.
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:29.039
A hundred percent.
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:37.359
50% of my business is PT and other PTs, and 50% of my coaching client are either coaches or want to become that.
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:47.039
You know, I and that's part of the reason maybe they hire you as well, because you do get that mentoring factor in there as well of someone who's who's been there and done that, which is great.
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:58.079
But it's more so just yeah, you know, still be respectful of who's helped you along the way, and you know, don't forget that it just everything just wasn't wasn't you, you know.
00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:59.279
I'm one of those clients.
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.240
Like I'm I'm yeah, you're my client, you've helped me through so many comps.
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:05.920
The main reason isn't just from the bodybuilding perspective, it's for lifestyle.
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:15.599
It's it's uh you've helped me a lot as a mentor on how to amalgamate business, work, clients, and we've worked really, really well together.
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:20.240
But I've been asked a few times, doesn't it hurt you that you market your own coach?
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:24.640
Aren't you gonna lose business if people go, I'm gonna see Pedro's, I'll go to Lokes.
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:26.480
Doesn't even actually happen.
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:29.279
Well, it it doesn't, and in fact, it bounces off each other.
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:32.079
People that want to be closer to me, and vice versa.
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:37.759
Yeah, people who are closer, people um you know resonate with your personality anyway.
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:38.640
That's a big part of it.
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:39.519
A massive part.
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:52.880
Yeah, we and then they go, Oh, cool, his coach has done this, and it's more that it um cements from where you've come from that you have that knowledge behind you and you've got even other people you can talk to about stuff.
00:29:53.200 --> 00:30:08.400
But I would actually argue that it works in my favor that when people go, Oh, he works with Logan, he's his mentor, he's his peer, he's somebody, and that actually gives me a better standing of authenticism because of your own reputation that you've created.
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:12.640
Then there's also the discrepancy where you touched on something.
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:21.039
You said that a lot of athletes will go out, do well, but then I've actually been witness to a couple of your athletes that have done well.
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:30.319
Next minute I see them talking about I was on no calories, I was doing hips of cardiomy-bro, fucking looks doesn't work that way.
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:31.599
That doesn't sound right.
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:39.200
So they've taken what you've done and completely butchered it into making like it was one of these extreme things.
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:40.400
Hundred percent.
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:42.000
Clearly, right?
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:50.480
And the risk with that means it hurts your business because people think is that how the look that that could hurt somebody, like the people in the note.
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:53.839
But the general pop then don't know the difference.
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:54.240
Yeah.
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:58.720
And then that leads to more misinformation about what it really takes.
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:05.680
Most there were many times where I came looking at myself thinking, fuck, I'm not where I need to be, what do I need to do?
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:11.759
And you would be eat more, rest, no cardia for two days.
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:19.839
When most people would be saying, Oh, we're gonna like cut down food, we're gonna get you more cardiac, more that, and that would have caused more damage.
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:28.799
Then I'll go out and tell everybody, yeah, I know Logs had me on no carbs for a whole week, and and then I'm getting, oh really, that must have been hard.
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:36.480
But it definitely hurts not just the business, but the concept that people have white bodybuilding can be good and bad for you.
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:47.920
Yeah, one quote, uh one competitor did, he did uh lost five kilos in two weeks from states to nationals, and um he actually then won the nationals.
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:56.880
Um but it was all because well, one Tony Doherty told him to me needed to be leaner, and um he just woke up and pushed a bit harder.
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:03.359
But he told stories of I did two hours of cardio, I've been on the on the no carbs since the second I got off stage.
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:10.480
I think he was at Grill that night, yeah, having burgers and whatnot, and refreshed, and he just pushed a little bit harder and locked in a little bit harder.
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:21.119
He was still on two, three hundred grams of carbs, um, and it actually really pissed me off, and I questioned on it, and his words were don't get in the way don't get in the way of a good story.
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:23.200
I see, yeah.
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:31.519
Um so he wanted to sound like he was more hardcore than he was, and what he did when um all he did was lock in a bit harder.
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:35.920
I pushed him a bit harder, but you know, there was no two or three hours of cardio.
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.640
There was no that sort of stuff grinds my ears off.
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:55.279
Or just when they they want to sound more dramatic to a person or talking to a person or talking online, and they they uh blow up a story again just to make it sound more aggressive or harder, and it's it's not a good look for the coach sometimes.
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:56.559
No, it's it's addressed.
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:06.079
I was on 1600 calories for weeks and weeks when they did two deep days at 2000, but they just wanted to make it sound more hardcore.
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:13.920
And then you've got people watching that going, oh well, I won't go with said coach because he's just gonna push me too hard.
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:21.039
And would you that also creates a belief system that you're not doing well if you're not suffering?
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:22.079
Yes.
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:38.400
This is a tricky one because I'm finding with uh social media these days, there's almost like I said earlier, there's lesson the top guys and girls are producing fantastically because they're so locked in all year round, there's more more um knowledge behind everything.
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:54.480
Um, but you're getting this thing of people wanting it to be easier and thinking that it's easier, and all these talks of refeeds and deloading and you know, reps in reserve, and to be honest, most people barely need any of that.
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:55.279
I agree.
00:33:55.440 --> 00:34:06.559
You know, um, and then it's oh my coach has only given me a refeed every two weeks instead of this guy's got it every four days, and that guy's still at 20% body fat.
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:06.880
Yeah.
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:16.400
So these people are glamorizing their preps and they're rocking up to shows five kilos, five percent body fat off where they should be.
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:25.119
Yet they've spent 20 weeks on social media going, look at me and all my extravagant ninja creamies, and again, nothing wrong with a ninja creamy.
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.719
But you know, and I refeed in and on this and on that.
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:34.800
Well, that's all well and good, but it doesn't matter if you don't get into the condition you're supposed to, that's all void.
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:36.320
Void, it's not void.
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:36.800
Yeah.
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:41.840
So yeah, cool, you had a nicer prep, but you didn't achieve what you needed to.
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:46.639
It's supposed to be hard.
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:48.320
It's not always supposed to be hard.
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:53.360
So we don't want to don't get it wrong that you have to flog yourself and not do those things.
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:59.920
They all have their place, and that's where the experienced coach will tell you to do those things at the right time.
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:00.480
Exactly.
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:03.440
Have some more rest days, have a refeed.
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:11.199
Um, they're not bet on their suffering, but not doing as hard as or pushing as hard as they should be.
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:11.599
Yeah.
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:16.000
They're the ones who exaggerate their suffering to kind of balance their effort.
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.840
So it seems almost like the level of suffering equates to your effort.
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.559
But your effort's there, suffering is inevitable.
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:23.119
Period.
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:23.519
Yeah.
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:24.639
And that's it.
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:30.719
Sometimes it's like, you know, they don't want to drop another 300 calories, and you know, you probably wouldn't even notice the difference.
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:37.360
And your body all just after a few days, you know, you take that out of over a whole day and it's a few spoonfuls of food.
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:37.760
Yep.
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:39.119
And no one would know the difference.
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:40.480
No one would see the difference.
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:46.639
But I had an interesting conversation with Solomon uh just this week because he's a couple of days out from his show.
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:50.239
And there was a big difference this last week to this week.
00:35:50.480 --> 00:36:04.159
And he was saying to me that his body wasn't reacting, and he was and he said, Yeah, man, this prep, I've I will I went hard last prep, but this prep I was even no last prep, I was I having my meal, but if the boys had chips and that, I would like to grab one chip and eat it.
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.719
Well, this time I'm like, not even a chip.
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:08.559
And his body just wasn't responding.
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.280
Then Cam was like, go get your bloods done and we'll have a look.
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:18.480
And obviously, with a few adjustments, when they saw his blood's a bit more rest, if you change your meal plan, his body responded straight away.
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:20.239
What am I missing?
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.159
Because I think that's the description.
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.519
If you are 100% on your diet and you steal a chip, it's not even touch the sides, bro.
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:28.000
Yeah.
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:32.480
You know, but it's when you steal a chip every five minutes for the whole weekend.
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:34.320
That's going to add up, right?
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:42.559
And I think people then start to kick to act like, oh bro, I was really suffering, I was doing this, but you go, yeah, but every night you go to bed late.
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.920
Every morning you add sugar to your coffee because you don't like the taste.
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:49.679
Yeah, or what's everyone has a different level of suffering.
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:56.719
And there are people that like to expand on the on what's really going on, or they truly talk themselves into thinking they're suffering.
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.920
You can eat 5,000 calories a day and tell yourself you're suffering.
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:05.199
If you put that in your mind and tell yourself over and over again, you'll start believing it.
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:12.400
Um, so I think it's yeah, people learning what true suffering is, and it may be suffering to them.
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:19.760
Two and a half thousand calories, six hours in an office at work, and eight thousand steps might be suffering to them.
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:32.639
When you've got someone else, you know, underground miners doing 12 hours a day, um, you know, on low food, not being able to eat properly underground, still having to do cardio at the start and finish of the day.
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:34.960
Like it's a whole different ball game, right?
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:35.679
That's more suffering.
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:36.800
That's more suffering.
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.079
So, and again, it's just suffering is is objective.
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:40.400
Yeah.
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:41.280
It's it's extensive.
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:43.280
And you learn to suffer more every time.
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:47.920
And but you but it's something we choose, like it doesn't have to be suffering.
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:49.760
That's the word you make it.
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:56.960
I've seen a couple of guys, and um one's uh young fella, he's actually prepped with me and he's prepping with someone else now.
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:08.719
But his m the shift in his mindset is just is just crazy from doing that first prep to the second, and he's just he's he's mindfully saying, like, I'm hurting, but I'm just trying to be present.
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:17.440
I take each day as it comes, and how he's dealing with prep while going harder is is he's doing a fantastic job, all because of the words he's telling himself.
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:23.599
Because of how he's choosing to approach this issue and choosing to speak to himself internally and externally.
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:28.239
That's somebody again who's internalizing his journey, not externalizing it.
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.559
And I think that's the one issue we have with social media.
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:36.079
Back in the day when we did a show, it was just about focus on the show.
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:42.239
We talked to our friends to come and support us, where now everybody wants the prep to be a social journey.
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:42.960
Yeah.
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:52.719
And then rather than focusing on the actual journey, we focus on talking about the journey and finding that happy balance in between the two, I think, is the tough part.
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:59.920
With competing in shows, um what's the right way to put this?
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:06.639
When people do a show, if it's to win a trophy or to push yourself, are two very different things.
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:12.880
Do most people that come to you come to you wanting to win or come to you wanting to make a change?
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:14.400
Wanting to win.
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:15.199
Wanting to win.
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:15.679
Me too.
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:17.840
Lately, a lot of them just want to win.
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:18.320
Yeah.
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:25.360
I've unfortunately stepped quite a bit away from prepping clients because of that thing.
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:28.960
It's like, because I'm not gonna do what it takes for you to win.
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:33.920
I'm gonna do what it takes for you to be in the best possible position on stage.
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:36.320
The winning part is up to the judges.
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:46.480
Well, I've I've always said to my clients, a first-time client, first-time competitor the journey is getting to the stage, and that's winning.
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:47.440
That's the first win.
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:50.239
Especially if you're in the right condition.
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.760
So if you get to the stage, you're in the right condition for your federation.
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:55.280
That's that's the first win.
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:58.239
Anything after that the first time is a bonus.
00:39:58.400 --> 00:39:59.039
Yep.
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:05.679
So whether you get top call out or third or first, like that's just icing on the cake.
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.519
First thing is getting on stage and being in the right condition for your division.
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:11.119
And they say, Oh, is that it?
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:11.760
Is that it?
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:12.239
Is that it?
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:17.199
That's a pretty big deal if you know where you're coming from, you know, and then so many.
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:18.480
I want to win, I want to win.
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:20.639
You've got no idea who you're standing next to.
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:24.719
You could have two people in your your class, you could have 35.
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:27.039
And, you know, so it's cool.
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.159
We all want to win, and you should push yourself to win to win.
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:30.559
Yeah.
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:32.559
And act like the winner.
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:42.239
But don't hype it up so much that when even if you get second, you're so disappointed of the whole thing, and everyone's done you dirty because you got second.
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.239
That's a fantastic achievement.
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:51.039
You've stood on stage, you've been in the right condition, you know, and you've got second in a hopefully a solid class.
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:52.880
In your solid class, the better the merry.
00:40:53.119 --> 00:41:05.440
And but the the biggest gift from comp also isn't just that getting on stage with the biggest condition, it's what your body can help you with post-comp on your rebound.
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.400
And I think that's where majority of the people drop the ball as well.
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:25.360
Anyone that wants to compete, I want them to understand once your journey is over, once you've got on stage, the journey doesn't mean that you have another quarter of the journey, you have another four to six weeks of a rebound that I want you to work with because that's the goal for the longevity.
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:31.519
So you, I'll push you to have me because it was up to you, I'd have a bigger break between my seasons.
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:36.719
But there was like three, four years there that I was competing twice a year, continuously.
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:42.400
And the reason I was able to improve was because I would never drop the ball post comp.
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:47.599
But I would never give myself enough time for the next comp.
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:51.440
For me, the personal reasons was scans every year.
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:55.199
I just never knew when would be the last time that I could get on stage.
00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:01.519
But with the general public, I usually encourage you to take at least a whole year off, if not more.
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:01.840
Yeah.
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:03.840
So they can make the adjustments.
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:09.039
But I think those adjustments are better made if you get straight back into it post comp.
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:10.719
Because that's the window.
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:11.360
Absolutely.
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:17.679
And when most people say I want to get on stage to win, it's like, yeah, but that's not the end.
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:23.440
And where you want to be a month off the computing, that should be your goal, not the stage.
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.559
So the journey has to include those four to six weeks post.
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:28.800
Do you think that would make a difference most?
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:30.079
Yeah, absolutely.
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.880
And even with um some seasoned people, you just see them fall apart after a show.
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:35.519
You do.
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:54.320
Um, you know, they um have a I won't say binge or yeah, binge, or they have a bit much food a couple of times, um, more more sodium, more sugar, and you know, their weight skyrockets, and then next thing they don't want to do their check-in photos, they don't want to own it, they don't want the accountability.
00:42:54.639 --> 00:43:00.880
Um they start feeling sorry for themselves, stop doing their output, and it's just a disastrous way to finish a show.
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:02.800
And that's one way to spar on it.
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:09.360
Then you end up blaming the industry and everything else, and you put it on social media and it changes the whole to the between men and women.
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:13.360
I don't think anyone's going higher than the other when it comes to competition.
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:19.280
I think women have a lot more expenses when it comes to men as far as makeup and heavy and everything else goes like that.
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:25.119
But I do think that women have a higher risk when it comes to being competitive.
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:29.199
Would you agree to that or would you say there's Yeah, yeah.
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:48.559
I suppose especially as the divisions have more muscle and more condition, obviously it comes with more more risk or, you know, that time to improve the hormones and things after the show and And most men genetically have a better rebound when most women sometimes struggle to revert back to the way they were.
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:49.440
Yeah.
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:59.519
So I think a problem if it comes down to simple numbers is okay, let's put a big bodybuilder versus a small natural bikini chick.
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:05.760
So the big bodybuilder often take in super supplements, but their body is prime to handle this.
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.400
They've done years of it for all have all that muscle.
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:14.480
They um, you know, they might have to eat five, six thousand calories to to maintain.
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:22.480
So I see the biggest problem after a show is, you know, half of these, some of these people have there's a a girlfriend and boyfriend in the show.
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:32.639
And look, Jane and I can attest to this one year as well, where um, you know, I'm eat I'm used to eating a lot after a show, and then she went along with me.
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:40.400
Now, even having a couple of burgers and a fries for me at 110 kilos, if I'm doing the rest of the day pretty good, it's not that bad.
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:41.360
It's not that bad, no.
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:54.719
But if you've just been eating 1200 calories and doing uh hours and hours of output, and then suddenly you're eating two and a half thousand calories worth of burger and fries as one meal in a day, yeah, you can and less output.
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:55.840
Way less output.
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:56.880
Some people just stop.
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:58.000
Oh, that's scary.
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:08.000
Like, you know, some people go from doing not saying you have to do this, but they're doing two hours of cardio a day to zero, doing extra steps to a quarter of that.
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:12.000
Yeah, you know, and then they're eating four or five times the amount of the calories.
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:13.760
What do you think's gonna happen?
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:19.679
And then the smaller girl, unfortunately, they put five kilos of body fat on and they can look like they don't train anymore.
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:20.639
Yeah, a hundred percent.
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:30.159
You know, and what does that do to their head after they've just been in the shape of their life, and then they put on five kilos, most of the time it's just water, obviously, at first, but they can't see that.
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:36.480
And they see the scales go up, and as you said, it just spirals and gets worse and worse, and they can't get themselves out of it.
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:43.840
Generally, you see a bit less of that going on the more muscular a woman is, or the more muscular a guy is as well.
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:45.679
Um, because their body can just take more.
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.239
Years and years and years of doing it the correct way.
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:59.360
Yeah, but as a woman, then it also becomes the choices about where you move forward in life, what are your expectations, especially younger women that aren't in a relationship or are but want to have kids.
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:03.519
I mean, all that plays in a huge role in when you decide to compete.
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:09.199
Wanting to really touch on the AI and social media base and how that's affecting the industry to them.
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:13.679
And what about these people that are using AI for prep and coaching?
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:15.360
What's your view on that?
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:18.559
I guess it depends how much they're using it.
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:19.199
Yeah.
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:20.000
Not good.
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:24.800
Some of it's in the way you ask the questions too, so it can be very wrong for starters.
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:25.440
And you know what?
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:28.320
If you're prepping clients, you should have that knowledge base already.
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:35.199
Like you might use it as to triple triple check something, um, and you'd go through all the avenues to do so.
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:40.639
A guy came up to me in the gym and he asked me to be a part of his app and he's super excited to switch down.
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.119
He goes, mate, how would you like creating an app that will help you with your prep and your clients?
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:48.320
It's all AI generated, you wouldn't have to do anything to your client.
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:50.960
And I was like, Thanks, mate, but that's not for me.
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:52.719
I wouldn't work that way.
00:46:53.039 --> 00:47:00.159
But I'm just asking, what's stopping anyone from going to Chat GPT now and sitting down and putting that in?
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:01.679
I want to compete in 20 weeks.
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:03.679
This is my current diet, upload that.
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:04.719
There's my blood.
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:06.239
What would you recommend for me?
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:11.599
I've seen guys on socials that are prepping themselves for shows or prepping through ChatGPT.
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:12.639
ChatGPT, yeah.
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:19.039
One thing that I try and show my kids is like use AI as a tool.
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:23.199
And basically, it shouldn't be somebody that you're asking something for.
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:26.880
It should be asking to clean this up for me.
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:28.800
Where are the holes in this?
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:30.559
Where can I improve with this?
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:30.719
Yeah.
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:33.039
As opposed to drawing a- Have I missed anything?
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:34.400
Have I missed anything?
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:41.760
And again, AI is very generic, which then loses the ability to actually cater to someone individually.
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:48.400
Well, I think that this is the mistake that people were going down another avenue now, but macros and things like that.
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:58.400
People aren't being as healthy as they can or getting the results they can because their macros might say 60 grams of fat for the day.
00:47:58.639 --> 00:47:59.360
And that's cool.
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:01.920
If 10 grams is coming from Nutella, cool.
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:03.519
That's an okay percentage.
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:11.519
But you bet you want the other 50 grams coming from healthy fats, avocados, oils, nuts, things like that.
00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:17.360
These people these days, with all their fancy foods, they might not have a good fat in the whole day.
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:17.760
Yeah.
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:18.239
You know?
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:18.960
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:30.960
Their whole fat content comes from, you know, residual process shit, Natella, um, residuals from other things, and you're not getting any healthy fats at all.
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:36.880
And sometimes hormones, results can be out of whack just solely because of that.
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:41.119
They could even be sticking to their macros 100%.
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:46.719
But that's and that's to not say then, well, cool, I eat 5,000 calories a day.
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:54.800
If I can squeeze pure McDonald's into that 5,000 calories every day on the right macros, how am I gonna look?
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:55.280
Exactly.
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:56.079
Not not good.
00:48:56.239 --> 00:49:06.960
Not great, not great, no, no, you know, and those macros might work for fat loss for a said time, but overall health and quality is is not there.
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:08.320
Same thing with protein.
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:16.320
You're look look, your residual proteins and not your whole proteins are high enough on paper, exactly, but you are not consuming enough quality protein.
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.519
Protein, and because the biovaban is the same thing, right?
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:24.480
It can be all sugar all day, yeah, and no complex carbs and and things like that.
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:30.079
You get very strong fibrous carbs, you've got no energy because you can't eat that as a carb, it's a both both ways.
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:39.280
There was a guy who was competing for sure, look good one day, next day I saw him, and he looked after an idea, but I don't know what you did between yesterday and today.
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:40.480
He'd like, did you sleep?
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:42.880
Did you he got so coy up at me?
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:47.360
And it turns out he had seven litres of Pepsi Max because it's sugar-free.
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:51.039
And I'm like, yeah, but your body might not like the artificial sweetener in it.
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:51.440
Yeah.
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:52.880
Like that's what I would.
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:59.039
And um, so as much as people are smashing PepsiMax, his body just didn't like it.
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:02.079
That's uh there's no argument against anything, you know.
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:09.119
It's just doing it in uh a controlled manner, and moderation and moderation, you know, and then consistency.
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:18.960
Was it George Fur that actually we did a talk and he had two athletes same diet, but one guy had one tablespoon of mayonnaise in his hamburger.
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:37.440
Both guys with the same um height, weight category, similar programs, but the guy with the mail, after I think it was like eight to ten months, then you could see the difference in the first months he didn't, and he used an analogy because if you're in Brisbane and you want to fly to Sydney, you point your plane.
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:44.159
If your plane is slightly off, by the time you get there, you're really far away.
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:49.119
So even the smallest adjustments in the beginning will make a big difference to your destination at the end.
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:56.559
Social media loses yeah, it's great for marketing, it's great to show the benefits of it.
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.519
There's a lot of positivity, it's great for the federations.
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.760
We have a lot more people accepting of our industry now.
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:13.519
But I also find it's coming with a lot of backlash that, if we're not careful, hurts the person who's actually wanting to try something different in their lives.
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:15.519
Well, thank you so much.
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:16.719
I really appreciate your time.
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:17.440
My pleasure.
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:19.039
Let's stay off social media.