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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello everyone and welcome back to the Greta Eskerge podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Happy New Year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is episode 98 and I am delighted to be starting a brand new year with you on the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: whoo, I have so many great things in store for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Starting with today's episode we are talking to Dr. Kelly Cagle and Dr. Kelly is a friend of mine from our podcasting network, Christian parenting, and she is a
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[SPEAKER_00]: um all about helping families navigate life with kids who interact with the world differently through things like ADHD and all different kinds of neurodivergence and she is just fascinating to talk to because she cares about the way kids interact with the world wants to help them, wants to help families and let me tell you if you
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[SPEAKER_00]: have ever found yourself feeling frustrated or discouraged about your kid who always wants to move or always wants to be with her friends or always something that you just don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This episode is for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It will be such an encouragement to help you begin to see your kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: things, whatever that is, always needing to move, always needing to talk to someone, not as a deterrent or a detriment, but actually a benefit that it is their strength, their gift from God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're talking about on today's episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, friends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the Greta Eskridge podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And today I'm so excited to have my guest, Dr. Kelly Kangle on Kelly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Greta.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always such a joy and honor to talk to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's never without a smile on my face, because you always have a smile on your face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I love it too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the third time we've talked, but this is your first time on my show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm delighted to have you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And guys, let me tell you a little bit about Dr. Kelly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you get to know her if you don't already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She is a wife and a mom to three boys shout out to a fellow mom of three sons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're a good breed and she is a PhD with an emphasis in research and education, really focusing on alternative instruction methods and school choice and really interested in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she really has an emphasis also on helping families who are navigating ADHD.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she is a fellow podcaster with the Christian parenting network, just like me, she is the host of the incredible parenting IQ podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kelly, you have a lot going on and you have a really interesting bio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like there's something going on in your life, other things that we wouldn't find in your bio so we can get to know you just a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you share something
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you send me that question and like, man, I have so many secrets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not really, I'm kidding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm an open book, but here's one grader that every time I say this, people actually don't believe me and they're like, they they think I'm lying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But with everything that you said that I that I do, it's literally out of obedience to God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because I'm an introvert at heart, like I am wired as an introvert.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So every time I have a mic in my hand or I sit here in front of someone else knowing that thousands of people are going to be listening to my words.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am like, oh my gosh, dear God, like this, this, I'm going to pour out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I need you to pour into me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my introversion when I'm out in public or doing speaking events or being with others, I come home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I veg out like I pour out so much that my silence is so needed for me to recharge my battery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would say that that's one thing that always blows others away because they think Kelly, but you talk for a living.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And every time you walk into a room, you're, you're so peppy, you're so outgoing, you talk, you know, you talk to everybody, well, my friends, let me tell you something for those of you who have introverts in your life, you really can really charge your battery to go and put it all out in those environments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the aftermath, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the prep work and it's the aftermath that really shows your true color.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm an introvert at like my being is an introvert.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right, that does surprise me because in our interactions together and when we talk, like that's not the vibe to use the words that the youth are saying, it's not the vibe that you put out like to me, I wouldn't expect that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're right, that does surprise me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love learning about introverts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just side note, I always this question always says man rabbit trails.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but because I am not an introvert, I'm definitely an extrovert, but my daughter is an introvert and she is the same exactly how you describe like, we go somewhere she's with people, um, a lot, even her own family and just it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She has to come home, and she needs to go in her room, and she needs quiet, and she needs nobody to talk to her, and she just, that is how she recharges.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She can read, she can listen to music, she can make art, but she needs that solitude and that quiet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so interesting, because like me, I will be in my room working, but I'll be like, can you leave the door open because then I still feel like I'm engaged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just a fan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you please shut my door?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want anyone to come in here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's a funny story about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Greta, I actually have to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One about myself and one about my as a mom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the first one is we would come home from church and I have talked and talked in my my kids always joke like they have this joke with with my husband Josh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, oh, mom's making us late again, like getting in the car, all the stuff, and they're like, mom, you know, is over here taking her sweet time talking to everybody, but then I would get in the car and Josh is like, how come you just talk their ear off and then you get in the car and you're like, but well, there's a huge sign of my intro version.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So personally, that's me whenever I'm at church or those environments, but then with my kid, here's a funny one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Try my your daughter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we my middle one is my introvert and we had him in a basketball league for the first time ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, think about basketball first of all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That gym echoes like crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's tons of whistling happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So much screaming in the echo, the ball bouncing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You talk about the simulation that happens in a basketball gym is in so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then my son gets home after his first game and for two hours, we don't get a word out of him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: not a single word and that we were just in our family living room just laughing about it because Titus was like I'm done, I'm cat, I'm like you just I emptied out and for two hours we didn't even see him so you know you do what you do when you create space for for everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is actually a such a great segue into what we're going to talk about today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These, it's really a part of understanding yourself and then understanding your kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And because, like I said, I'm an extrovert and I can't fully identify with, like, Lily, who is like the polar opposite of me with, you know, feeling like she is such an
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[SPEAKER_00]: that learning more about what fills her up and what helps her to be able to pour out and then how I can pour back into her really helps me mother her better helps me love her better
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[SPEAKER_00]: and also even helps her understand herself better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's not like coming home from some event and she's overwhelmed and exhausted and doesn't know how to fill her tank back up, how to rest, how you know all those things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really important for us not to just parent our kids just based on you know what we see or how they react or respond, but to really get to know our kids
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[SPEAKER_00]: what makes them tick, what fills them up, how we can help them thrive, which is what you're all about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, I feel like that's your lane, that's where you shine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're gonna talk about what that looks like and understanding our kids, specifically their multiple intelligenceists, but before we get to that specific part, I'd love to hear,
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[SPEAKER_00]: What catapult did you into this work, into helping parents, and I imagine helping kids, understand who they are, what makes them tick, how they can thrive?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, this is what you studied.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How did you get here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great question and to make like 20 years worth of self discovery into this probably like a two minute answer or so it all became personal to me whenever I became a mom so I moved from Brazil when I was 11 and I spoke no English so I navigated that transition the cultural shocks the language barriers all of those things and then I started teaching I became a teacher because
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to help that same kid, um, just feel welcomed and seen and it was really wonderful experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love my time teaching and I stay in touch with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been to their their weddings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen their babies, you know, my previous students and it's such.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a gift to poor and to people, but then it became a mom and it's like, wow, now it's the this is like my multiplication time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I can do this really well or I can do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, let's this is what everybody else says we should do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is what we're going to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or we can kind of be rebels and say, no, no, just because the system is saying something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is, I mean, that that's what we're going to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it's always been about this self discovery
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is what legacy, Josh and I want to leave behind as the Kago household?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What truly matters for us that then we are going to, that that will, you know, decide how we parent the choices we make, whether it's financial choices, school choices, commitment choices, all of those things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also my line of work, how would that align and what kind of impact do we want to leave?
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[SPEAKER_01]: going back to the legacy, not that it's about the Kago household, obviously, that matters for my children, but also for the world, because God created us and created me specifically as an ADHD, as an extreme, you know, curious person of the human development and brain and behavior of child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, how can I like spread this awareness and this passion and this
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[SPEAKER_01]: curiosity for our own kids because that and that to me kind of summarizes all of that without going to in depth into any of those veins in particular, but I think that that would summarize it best.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, why did you create me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why am I a teacher?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I continue that as my identity, I'm a teacher and every day I teach somehow somewhere, whether it's homeschooling my sons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: whether it's talking to you and your beautiful wonderful audience here on the podcast, whether it's talking to my audience on the parenting IQ or inside my mom IQ community with my members and my dear mama's speaking on stages wherever it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, what am I teaching?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to teach your people today through me as just a vessel like just the body?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're your story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love how it has informed what you do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, like looking, like, talking about walking in obedience, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about that multiple times already this morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how, you know, from the time of you being a little girl coming to Brazil, I love that part of your story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You, I.
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[SPEAKER_00]: was researching you in your bio and read that, you know, you came with one suitcase with, you know, a few pieces of clothing and shoes in a doll and learning English like coming and having to be thrust into this whole new culture and new language.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but remembering yourself as that little girl and thinking, okay, how can I help kids like I was?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then like you said, becoming a mom and being like, okay, well, how can I help my kids?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then making that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, empath wanting to make the impact even bigger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how can I help other kids, how can I help my kids?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How can I help mothers and kids around the world and going out into the world to make the impact bigger and all in obedience to God?
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[SPEAKER_00]: and that's really powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love how God gives us each unique experiences and unique gifts so that we can equip people to love him, know him and serve him better and you are walking in those unique gifts and in your unique story and he's using him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I find so interesting as I look and learn more about you is the ways that you help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, parents really understand their kids better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always been something I was passionate about as a mom myself because it was like, okay, I need to steady them, like, I need to steady who they are so that I can help them be the best version of themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things that I thought was so fascinating when I became a mom, it's before I was a mom, I would look at my parents and the way they parented me and my siblings differently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would get a little irritated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is before kids, you know, when I knew nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to know everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, oh, I totally did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would be like, it's so unfair because they let him do this or they do this with him and not with me or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like that didn't feel like equitable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then of course, I became a parent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, well, of course you let this kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: behave a certain way or do a certain thing or you paired them in a certain way, it's because they're all different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are different ways to help them thrive in different ways to help them grow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was what I wanted to specifically talk to you about today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this whole idea of multiple intelligences and how God equipped us all with different ways to shine and to thrive and the ways that we can grow and learn and behave best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think everybody knows a lot about the multiple intelligences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't learn about them till I was in credential school becoming a teacher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh my gosh, this makes so much sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for people who don't know a lot about them or don't know anything about them at all, tell us about what these multiple intelligences are and why it's so important for us to have an understanding of what they are as we raise our kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so like you, I always like to bring the backstory with this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm over here writing research and thinking about as you mentioned while you were reading my bio instructional methods and different ways to educate and do all these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sitting in my doctoral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with my cohort, and everyone is like, you know, in K-12, and they are principles, and they're their goal is to wear in Texas, and so they want to work for the T-E-A, or they're a community colleges and making big things, and, you know, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The university levels like big titles and here I am.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, okay, Kelly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is your goal?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who are you with?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, well, I'm a stay at home with babies and I'm getting a PhD in just because I'm obeying God and then make zero sense in that liberal environment, which, you know, I won't go into much detail, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of like the black sheep in this room of highly educated individuals who had big goals and ambitions and I just did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I always went from whenever everything I research was always like, man, but I'm searching for something different for my kid, which I know a lot of people are like me trying to find something different for their kids, you know, from this love and
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[SPEAKER_01]: different from like Excel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're going to Harvard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to Yale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing all these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So painting that picture, I came across this theoretical framework that I was like, oh my gosh, my world is shook.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was by this Harvard psychologist back in the 80s, he was like, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: IQ, taking an IQ test and just measuring IQ is not the fine how intelligent people are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the only way to measure intelligence, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that it's the only metrics system we have been using, but other people show their gifts in other ways or their intelligences in other ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh my gosh, if this isn't biblical, I don't know what else could be biblical, because we have different
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gifts, you know, eight in Romans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we are gifted with different things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some have the gift of discernment, teaching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like all of these different roles, we are in the same body, we're in the same body, but we are given different strengths.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I believe from a biblical perspective, that's how this framework comes in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's why I lined with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So closely, because I felt like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, thank you that there were these people that came along and created this new lens, theoretical lens for us to understand and serve kids better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So with that being said, I love that by the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know interrupt I was going to say interrupt me at any time, because when that starts here, then then we'll go deep and I'll try to give breaks every once in a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so Howard Gardner was his name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said there are eight ways and I'll introduce the eight ways and then we'll talk about them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the very first way is spatial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's how and this is not in any particular order.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: space was how you understand space and I'll give examples in a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have the second one bodily kinesthetic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have several of those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the movement that is the athletes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The third one is musical.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fourth is naturalistic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're talking about nature and
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[SPEAKER_01]: The sixth is logical mathematical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean, black and white.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's one way there's there has to be answers and then another one is enter personal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's how I read your body language as I'm talking to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to empathize with you in this moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the final one is intra personal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that inner awareness and self awareness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, thinking of the school system and how these eight ways are utilizing the classroom, well, they're not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have the linguistic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have a teacher stand and I can speak from experience because I was a teacher and I tried.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I try to incorporate different learning styles and teaching methods, but there's only so much you can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I'm in front of a classroom and I'm talking and I'm talking and I'm talking with that's linguistic so my linguistic learners are thriving they are just taking notes they got it they ace the test but my musical kids are like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, in law and thinking a song in their head, this connected, this engaged not because they're not interested, but because we're not speaking their language, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other way that most traditional classroom environments are set up, and we even bleed this into our homeschooling environments often times, I find myself doing this and I'm like, oh, Kelly, stop is the logical mathematical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is it's multiple choice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only one answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You think of math.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There may be different ways to do it, but there's one answer, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the kids who think outside the box get lost in this realm of, wow, but there would be so, I could do this completely different than what the teachers are doing right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that in a nutshell is how it's applicable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we can go from wherever you want to go with that information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, just to me, it's so freeing to understand that God created all of us in different ways and that our brains were in different ways and like I said, like the different giftings, the ways that that he allows us to really thrive so we can, you know, serve him serve others well and I think about like, you know, when we see our kids through that lens instead of being frustrated like, oh yeah, why do you always have to be moving right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have one of those kinesthetic learners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, you just really can't you just sit still?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, no, their bodies move, their brains work best when their bodies are moving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you understand that that is not something bad, it's actually how God made them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it makes me tear-eyed because I think,
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[SPEAKER_00]: to understand that that is the specific beautiful way God designed for them to be, and to think, well, how will he use that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, there are five years old, and they're driving you crazy, because they don't stop moving, or they don't stop talking, because they're a verbal, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: they deeply understand people and they want to be with people all the time and they're always asking you for a play date or whatever it is that is driving you kind of crazy sometimes yeah yeah little like if you can shift and you can think okay this is how God created them it is his design for them how will he use it and how can I help them grow and thrive in his design
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when we can do that, when we get to know our kids in this these specific ways and we really study them and understand them, we are actually preparing them to step into who God designed them to be as they grow up and that changes everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: everything, everything, you're so right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember when I was with my son and I was reading a passage to him, an English passage, and
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was kicking the ball around and bouncing the ball around and all over the living room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, if I were you just stop because he's talked about it driving you crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I were you just stop and listen and he goes, mom, he was in third grade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm listening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just said blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had no words.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the moment I could goose bumps even saying it because I vividly remember where we were, what we were doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what I was reading, but I know it was English.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he is operating in his gift, it comes easy for him to do it in his own way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have to fit the mold.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that I'm sitting and I'm listening and you have my eyeballs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just because you have somebody's eyeballs is not mean you have their attention, does not mean that they're engaged.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is often where the this engagement happens, where the breaking happens, where the curiosity is lost because we're trying to make kids turn them into little robots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are not, they are created for a purpose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the more curious that we can be as their mom and dad,
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[SPEAKER_01]: about tapping into that if we keep our curiosity and we just hold their hands around like, okay, what is it that drives me crazy about you, but is actually something that God gave to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That little boy is now a 14 year old thriving young man and it's all because I did not clip his wings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is because I came alongside him to let him soar, and he is soaring, and I'm so proud of the man that he's becoming, not because of something that I did, but because I've partnered, and I've stewarded the gifts that God has placed in him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I've done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all, his dad and I have done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, too, when we really look at our kids, like you've done and say, okay, oh, break through, you are listening, even though you're not sitting still, is, and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, the good kid in the classroom or what society has told us taught us to believe and to perceive as the good kid in the classroom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you recognize like, oh, actually you are doing exactly what I'm asking you to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just doing it in your own way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, there are circumstances where, you know, your kid can't probably be, you know, standing in church, kicking the doctor for the thermos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we teach them how to be able to not just survive, but thrive in all sorts of environments that aren't maybe the places where are doing it in a way that isn't like their number one, you know, way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we also offer them as many opportunities as we can to thrive in the way that they are designed to thrive best, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think too, it's a shift of of what the world and what our culture and what our society says.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like these are the ones that matter most like being the kid that sits still enlistened in school takes notes and just thrives in that environment or having some other gift that really shines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you have a kid who's really great at athletics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well that's an easy way for everyone to see like
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[SPEAKER_00]: they are so talented, they are so gifted or a kid that's really gifted in music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you might have a kid who's like, they don't have those giftings and they could feel like, oh, I stink, I'm not good at these other things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then that becomes your job to say, oh, but you know what I notice about you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are so good at understanding people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I notice how you're always a good friend and you pull people out who are lonely and you're really good at understanding what makes them happy and how to help them when they're struggling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are really good with people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have people skills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was going to use that in your life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So even more than just helping them thrive in those gifts that cultures, admires and society and theirs, but even help especially helping them thrive in the things that maybe are a little more hidden, harder to celebrate in on a big stage and saying, how will God use this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that all comes from this understanding
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[SPEAKER_00]: getting to know better, your kids' gifts, who they are, how got me of them to be, how they can thrive in any of those gifts, any of those intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've got two points that I want to add to that specifically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the very first thing, everything that you just said right now is exactly why I believe the Lord called me into the work of ADHD.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because if we look at the world of science with ADHD, I do believe that it's you know heavily centered and not listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please hear me very clearly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not anti meds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you can read a lot of the psychiatrists and they'll all say if you just give a medication without behavior modification you things will not shift because it's just the effects of the medication without teaching the self control and the you know the executive functioning skills and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, with that being said, to me, what I like to do is, hey, let's start with behavior modification.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And part of that is, let's get curious about our kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you say that they're not engaged, that they're, you know, sucking in school and not doing well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, pushing back when you're asking for chores, they're so fighting what they're siblings all the time, and all of that frustration that's really exhausting to the mom, I really do get it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if we are not speaking to those areas of strength, and then also strengthening the areas of weakness, because we all have our weaknesses, I've got plenty of them, but if I don't work,
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[SPEAKER_01]: for in areas that best support me, how I'm wired, how I take, same thing for my kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I am gonna crumble, I am gonna fight back, I am, I'm gonna lose it as their mom, as the adult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So same thing with a kid, who's already not fully developed until their prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed until 25-ish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then a lot of times whenever you see Dr. Russell Barkley has said before that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the ADHD child's about 30% delayed in their executive function.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you see a 10 year old and you're expecting them to act like 10 year old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And look at 10 year old, but then really they're like a sad then year old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you see even that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you remain curious and see it through that lens, and you can say, okay, well, how would I talk to a seven year old?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How would I hold their hand in this moment?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not like I'm controlling the situation, but how would I equip them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How would I talk to them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's the work that was
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[SPEAKER_01]: with the mess framework that I, the Lord gave me for parenting an ADHD child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where all of this comes in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the mess framework is revolutionary to homes because tree wiring how we pair it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And oftentimes that's the problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's
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[SPEAKER_01]: we are trying to hold our ground and our kids pushing back just because of how we're delivering the information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's that the mess framework I'll touch on it really quickly and if you are curious about it, not you necessarily credit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to, great, but you're honest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just feel free to reach out follow along and you can go on my website Dr. Kelly Kagle.com and I have two resources in particular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you do have an ADHD child, I have 10 strategies that will help you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really like target the behaviors in the home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have another freebie that's four.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the eight multiple intelligences and unpacking that a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those are two huge ones, but the mess framework in particular, where we talk a lot about it is inside my mom IQ community, which is only 12.95 a month and we have monthly group coaching calls and we have all these moms pitching in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, this is what's hard, what can we do about this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, my kid is doing X-mine Z and so frustrating in other moms
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[SPEAKER_01]: overcome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just throw all that in there to say that if you are needing further support, I promise you, there are plenty of communities out there, even if it's not MamaQ, where you can find the help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But mess is real quickly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you are, it's modeled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: empathetic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first S is simplified and specific instructions for your ADHD child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the S, the final S is stable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you are stable in your parenting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So first of all, I start with you, parent, what are you modeling?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, I went down a rabbit hole with that one, but I wanted to point that out that if you do have a kid that's behaving in ways that's not appropriate in some areas, that yeah, it's okay, but we can, it's not always ADHD.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it could just end being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even if and if it is or it isn't, I think that that support piece is really helpful because I mean, I can remember myself as a mom with young kids and you know, like I said remembering the kid that drove me crazy that always had to move, you know, and it was like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, actually sometimes while I'm reading him history, he is able to listen better because he's on the swing and he's moving his body or giving all my kids the option to draw while we did read alouds and that was so helpful because moving their bodies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if it was just their hand, it was so helpful for them to to actually listen better and and I and it's so funny because I remember being at church and we would be in church and all my kids would be drawing and it looked as if none of them were paying attention and and it was the struggle as a young mom feeling like, oh, you know, people are going to be judging.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Deskridge kids ain't never listen in church and it's like they are listening actually they're not necessarily taking notes about the sermon that they're drawing because that's one of the ways that helps their brain engage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that support piece for moms is so valuable because hearing from other moms who are in the same stages you, whether it's with ADHD or just you have regular kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to figure out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To have other moms chime in to have people who are on the journey alongside you or a little farther ahead and can say, hey, have you ever considered this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or, oh, totally, my kids are the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that just helps you feel less alone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love that you offer that kind of community for moms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with the additional aspect of you having a lot of knowledge and have done a lot of work in learning in this area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that you can chime in as well and say, hey, have you considered this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to be able to offer that, the combination of those things is incredibly valuable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think of myself as a young mom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How helpful that would have been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because sometimes it does feel really lonely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Greta, here's a thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a mom too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My kids are 14, 9, and 7, and I can't go in and book all these speaking engagements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm raising my own kids right here too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that is just an avenue that I wanted to make it literally the cost of a chipotle bowl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That way, if people are like, we're so scrapped for money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just skip Chipotle, one ball, like literally one lunch and then get this because you're going to get so much life out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was really my heart that it provided me a way to still be present for my family and still stay connected with all these mama's that are, like, I need more support.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need, and this is like, okay, God, this, this is a wonderful avenue to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That won't break the bank for crying out loud.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, um, I want to just make sure because we've talked about quite a few things I think are really helpful that parents listening can be able to find like you said that free be about the aid intelligence is because maybe one of you moms are listening you're like, oh my gosh, this is exactly the information that I've needed to help me understand my kid better or to learn more about the mess system which that was so powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the
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[SPEAKER_00]: where can people find you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You said it once, but I want it all here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll put it in the show notes for you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where can they find all the things that you're putting out into the world so that they can gain from you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to add one more thing and because it's all at the same place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I did write a children's Bible study that goes into the eight frameworks, the eight intelligences in a very child friendly language and then it allows them to practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The verse, oh, sorry, just going to make the verse with an imagery for those who like to go there with what the verse is saying, and then an opportunity for them to do to their own work, create their own image of what they take from that promise from God's word.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also for our linguistics ones to write about how to process that emotion that thought what they're feeling and so this is a really powerful way if you are looking for additional resource that you're like man I don't know where to start this is really cool I would love to do this my kid would really thrive from this, but I don't know where to start like this is one of my very favorite ones Greta and you can see this but others can't like that picture if you were a teenager and you are
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[SPEAKER_01]: super bombarded, and you are overwhelmed, and you have all these worries, all these messages, all these, you know, due dates piling up, and you are just so crammed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the verse that goes with that Philippians 4, 6, and 7, don't worry about anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, pray about everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So God, what you need and thank Him for all He has done, then you will experience God's peace, which exceeds anything we can understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the power of God's Word is all there, and this is just a way for you to bring that application in the day-to-day in your home with your kids as you grow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in his word with his truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So everything that I've talked about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to interrupt you for a second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I love that resource.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm thinking about myself and I was a kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I always wanted to thrive at drawing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not my lane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a word girl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a word girl and so I loved I love that you have the option of oh they could respond to the the verse and the drawing that you the illustration you created by either writing or drawing because I also have a house full of kids who are artists that would respond better with art rather than writing out the words especially made to dyslexic sounds like that writing outwards is going to it's going to be torture but they could do a drawing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I love that you have included those specific things understanding like kids are all different and they interact with no cards in the back too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for our kinesthetic ones, you can just cut these out and walk around and take them all over your room as a reminder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is exactly why we created this resources just to come alongside families who are wanting to be curious about how their kids are wired but give them something that can be root them in God's truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'll link that on the show notes for you guys, but okay, now tell us the rest of the stuff the place is best to come.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Kelly Kagle.com.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's another thing is that Dr. Kelly Kagle.com all of the resource, all of the freebies, all anything anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'll link you guys for you, her podcast is there, you can find our Instagram, all the great stuff, um, and including that devotional, um, there's gonna be a lot of good stuff for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So be sure, you find her and follow her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Kelly, um, before we end the show, I always ask my guests how they are chasing joy in their life right now, whether that's something you're
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[SPEAKER_00]: reading right now, or you're eating right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody ever answers the eating question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I say, right now, everybody's like, oh my gosh, my favorite snack right now, or you know, something you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is bringing you joy in life right now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I hate that I didn't think of an eating answer because that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, I said, it's an interesting answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to give you that answer because that's what you want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to achieve for you, Greta, but in all honesty this year, I was just talking to another founder earlier this morning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, man, I have felt like, for so often, I've been throwing, I've been like Peter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm throwing the nuts on this side, this side, this side, I'm not catching a catch in a catch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was like, Jesus says, hey,
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[SPEAKER_01]: throw it on this side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, but God, I've been doing all of this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm tired.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And literally, that's the season that I've been in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the word joy wasn't necessarily like my word of the year, but that's what I've been chasing this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I've been missing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been missing joy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I told the Lord of them, God, my joy is gone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to have joy again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've laid it all at his feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it has been the most refreshing year and a really long time that I've been able to just sit with my kids when it's time to sit with my kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That right before we hopped on this interview, I was folding clothes and I'm looking at my dusty birds of paradise plant that desperately needs some dusting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I'm gonna go do right after we get off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just simplifying me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like my doing because I wanna.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I've been this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, it wasn't about food, but it's been very refreshing for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's probably lots of joy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are not responsible for answering the question that I've been out in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In my way, you need answered in your way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And actually, I resonate with what you said because I have been to have been finding joy in like trying to simplify my life and just, you know, organizing a closet so that I know everything that's in there and I'm not frantically like, oh, I know I have a here somewhere, someone's bleeding where the band is, you know, like three boxes hidden in here and just taking care of the systems of my home, so that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: things feel more peaceful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I get that because that is joy bringing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you, Kelly, for being here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for just what you shared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there are going to be moms who've listened today and maybe dads do my, you know, three guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be like, oh, I had an aha moment about
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[SPEAKER_00]: my kid and how I can love them, serve them better and help prepare them to go on to the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you for being a part of that and it is a gift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I regret it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a joy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello everyone and welcome back to the Greta Eskerge podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Happy New Year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is episode 98 and I am delighted to be starting a brand new year with you on the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: whoo, I have so many great things in store for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Starting with today's episode we are talking to Dr. Kelly Cagle and Dr. Kelly is a friend of mine from our podcasting network, Christian parenting, and she is a
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[SPEAKER_00]: um all about helping families navigate life with kids who interact with the world differently through things like ADHD and all different kinds of neurodivergence and she is just fascinating to talk to because she cares about the way kids interact with the world wants to help them, wants to help families and let me tell you if you
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[SPEAKER_00]: have ever found yourself feeling frustrated or discouraged about your kid who always wants to move or always wants to be with her friends or always something that you just don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This episode is for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It will be such an encouragement to help you begin to see your kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: things, whatever that is, always needing to move, always needing to talk to someone, not as a deterrent or a detriment, but actually a benefit that it is their strength, their gift from God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're talking about on today's episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, friends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the Greta Eskridge podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And today I'm so excited to have my guest, Dr. Kelly Kangle on Kelly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Greta.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always such a joy and honor to talk to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's never without a smile on my face, because you always have a smile on your face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I love it too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the third time we've talked, but this is your first time on my show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm delighted to have you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And guys, let me tell you a little bit about Dr. Kelly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you get to know her if you don't already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She is a wife and a mom to three boys shout out to a fellow mom of three sons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're a good breed and she is a PhD with an emphasis in research and education, really focusing on alternative instruction methods and school choice and really interested in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she really has an emphasis also on helping families who are navigating ADHD.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she is a fellow podcaster with the Christian parenting network, just like me, she is the host of the incredible parenting IQ podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kelly, you have a lot going on and you have a really interesting bio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like there's something going on in your life, other things that we wouldn't find in your bio so we can get to know you just a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you share something
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you send me that question and like, man, I have so many secrets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not really, I'm kidding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm an open book, but here's one grader that every time I say this, people actually don't believe me and they're like, they they think I'm lying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But with everything that you said that I that I do, it's literally out of obedience to God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because I'm an introvert at heart, like I am wired as an introvert.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So every time I have a mic in my hand or I sit here in front of someone else knowing that thousands of people are going to be listening to my words.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am like, oh my gosh, dear God, like this, this, I'm going to pour out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I need you to pour into me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my introversion when I'm out in public or doing speaking events or being with others, I come home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I veg out like I pour out so much that my silence is so needed for me to recharge my battery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would say that that's one thing that always blows others away because they think Kelly, but you talk for a living.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And every time you walk into a room, you're, you're so peppy, you're so outgoing, you talk, you know, you talk to everybody, well, my friends, let me tell you something for those of you who have introverts in your life, you really can really charge your battery to go and put it all out in those environments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the aftermath, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the prep work and it's the aftermath that really shows your true color.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm an introvert at like my being is an introvert.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right, that does surprise me because in our interactions together and when we talk, like that's not the vibe to use the words that the youth are saying, it's not the vibe that you put out like to me, I wouldn't expect that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're right, that does surprise me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love learning about introverts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just side note, I always this question always says man rabbit trails.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but because I am not an introvert, I'm definitely an extrovert, but my daughter is an introvert and she is the same exactly how you describe like, we go somewhere she's with people, um, a lot, even her own family and just it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She has to come home, and she needs to go in her room, and she needs quiet, and she needs nobody to talk to her, and she just, that is how she recharges.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She can read, she can listen to music, she can make art, but she needs that solitude and that quiet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so interesting, because like me, I will be in my room working, but I'll be like, can you leave the door open because then I still feel like I'm engaged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just a fan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you please shut my door?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want anyone to come in here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's a funny story about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Greta, I actually have to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One about myself and one about my as a mom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the first one is we would come home from church and I have talked and talked in my my kids always joke like they have this joke with with my husband Josh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, oh, mom's making us late again, like getting in the car, all the stuff, and they're like, mom, you know, is over here taking her sweet time talking to everybody, but then I would get in the car and Josh is like, how come you just talk their ear off and then you get in the car and you're like, but well, there's a huge sign of my intro version.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So personally, that's me whenever I'm at church or those environments, but then with my kid, here's a funny one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Try my your daughter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we my middle one is my introvert and we had him in a basketball league for the first time ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, think about basketball first of all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That gym echoes like crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's tons of whistling happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So much screaming in the echo, the ball bouncing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You talk about the simulation that happens in a basketball gym is in so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then my son gets home after his first game and for two hours, we don't get a word out of him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: not a single word and that we were just in our family living room just laughing about it because Titus was like I'm done, I'm cat, I'm like you just I emptied out and for two hours we didn't even see him so you know you do what you do when you create space for for everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is actually a such a great segue into what we're going to talk about today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These, it's really a part of understanding yourself and then understanding your kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And because, like I said, I'm an extrovert and I can't fully identify with, like, Lily, who is like the polar opposite of me with, you know, feeling like she is such an
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[SPEAKER_00]: that learning more about what fills her up and what helps her to be able to pour out and then how I can pour back into her really helps me mother her better helps me love her better
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[SPEAKER_00]: and also even helps her understand herself better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's not like coming home from some event and she's overwhelmed and exhausted and doesn't know how to fill her tank back up, how to rest, how you know all those things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really important for us not to just parent our kids just based on you know what we see or how they react or respond, but to really get to know our kids
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[SPEAKER_00]: what makes them tick, what fills them up, how we can help them thrive, which is what you're all about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, I feel like that's your lane, that's where you shine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're gonna talk about what that looks like and understanding our kids, specifically their multiple intelligenceists, but before we get to that specific part, I'd love to hear,
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[SPEAKER_00]: What catapult did you into this work, into helping parents, and I imagine helping kids, understand who they are, what makes them tick, how they can thrive?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, this is what you studied.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How did you get here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great question and to make like 20 years worth of self discovery into this probably like a two minute answer or so it all became personal to me whenever I became a mom so I moved from Brazil when I was 11 and I spoke no English so I navigated that transition the cultural shocks the language barriers all of those things and then I started teaching I became a teacher because
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to help that same kid, um, just feel welcomed and seen and it was really wonderful experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love my time teaching and I stay in touch with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been to their their weddings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen their babies, you know, my previous students and it's such.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a gift to poor and to people, but then it became a mom and it's like, wow, now it's the this is like my multiplication time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I can do this really well or I can do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, let's this is what everybody else says we should do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is what we're going to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or we can kind of be rebels and say, no, no, just because the system is saying something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is, I mean, that that's what we're going to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it's always been about this self discovery
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is what legacy, Josh and I want to leave behind as the Kago household?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What truly matters for us that then we are going to, that that will, you know, decide how we parent the choices we make, whether it's financial choices, school choices, commitment choices, all of those things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also my line of work, how would that align and what kind of impact do we want to leave?
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[SPEAKER_01]: going back to the legacy, not that it's about the Kago household, obviously, that matters for my children, but also for the world, because God created us and created me specifically as an ADHD, as an extreme, you know, curious person of the human development and brain and behavior of child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, how can I like spread this awareness and this passion and this
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[SPEAKER_01]: curiosity for our own kids because that and that to me kind of summarizes all of that without going to in depth into any of those veins in particular, but I think that that would summarize it best.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, why did you create me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why am I a teacher?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I continue that as my identity, I'm a teacher and every day I teach somehow somewhere, whether it's homeschooling my sons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: whether it's talking to you and your beautiful wonderful audience here on the podcast, whether it's talking to my audience on the parenting IQ or inside my mom IQ community with my members and my dear mama's speaking on stages wherever it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, what am I teaching?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to teach your people today through me as just a vessel like just the body?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're your story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love how it has informed what you do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, like looking, like, talking about walking in obedience, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about that multiple times already this morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how, you know, from the time of you being a little girl coming to Brazil, I love that part of your story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You, I.
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[SPEAKER_00]: was researching you in your bio and read that, you know, you came with one suitcase with, you know, a few pieces of clothing and shoes in a doll and learning English like coming and having to be thrust into this whole new culture and new language.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but remembering yourself as that little girl and thinking, okay, how can I help kids like I was?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then like you said, becoming a mom and being like, okay, well, how can I help my kids?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then making that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, empath wanting to make the impact even bigger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how can I help other kids, how can I help my kids?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How can I help mothers and kids around the world and going out into the world to make the impact bigger and all in obedience to God?
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[SPEAKER_00]: and that's really powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love how God gives us each unique experiences and unique gifts so that we can equip people to love him, know him and serve him better and you are walking in those unique gifts and in your unique story and he's using him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I find so interesting as I look and learn more about you is the ways that you help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, parents really understand their kids better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always been something I was passionate about as a mom myself because it was like, okay, I need to steady them, like, I need to steady who they are so that I can help them be the best version of themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things that I thought was so fascinating when I became a mom, it's before I was a mom, I would look at my parents and the way they parented me and my siblings differently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would get a little irritated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is before kids, you know, when I knew nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to know everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, oh, I totally did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would be like, it's so unfair because they let him do this or they do this with him and not with me or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like that didn't feel like equitable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then of course, I became a parent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, well, of course you let this kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: behave a certain way or do a certain thing or you paired them in a certain way, it's because they're all different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are different ways to help them thrive in different ways to help them grow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was what I wanted to specifically talk to you about today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this whole idea of multiple intelligences and how God equipped us all with different ways to shine and to thrive and the ways that we can grow and learn and behave best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think everybody knows a lot about the multiple intelligences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't learn about them till I was in credential school becoming a teacher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh my gosh, this makes so much sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for people who don't know a lot about them or don't know anything about them at all, tell us about what these multiple intelligences are and why it's so important for us to have an understanding of what they are as we raise our kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so like you, I always like to bring the backstory with this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm over here writing research and thinking about as you mentioned while you were reading my bio instructional methods and different ways to educate and do all these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sitting in my doctoral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with my cohort, and everyone is like, you know, in K-12, and they are principles, and they're their goal is to wear in Texas, and so they want to work for the T-E-A, or they're a community colleges and making big things, and, you know, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The university levels like big titles and here I am.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, okay, Kelly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is your goal?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who are you with?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, well, I'm a stay at home with babies and I'm getting a PhD in just because I'm obeying God and then make zero sense in that liberal environment, which, you know, I won't go into much detail, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of like the black sheep in this room of highly educated individuals who had big goals and ambitions and I just did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I always went from whenever everything I research was always like, man, but I'm searching for something different for my kid, which I know a lot of people are like me trying to find something different for their kids, you know, from this love and
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[SPEAKER_01]: different from like Excel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're going to Harvard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to Yale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing all these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So painting that picture, I came across this theoretical framework that I was like, oh my gosh, my world is shook.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was by this Harvard psychologist back in the 80s, he was like, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: IQ, taking an IQ test and just measuring IQ is not the fine how intelligent people are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the only way to measure intelligence, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that it's the only metrics system we have been using, but other people show their gifts in other ways or their intelligences in other ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh my gosh, if this isn't biblical, I don't know what else could be biblical, because we have different
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gifts, you know, eight in Romans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we are gifted with different things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some have the gift of discernment, teaching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like all of these different roles, we are in the same body, we're in the same body, but we are given different strengths.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I believe from a biblical perspective, that's how this framework comes in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's why I lined with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So closely, because I felt like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, thank you that there were these people that came along and created this new lens, theoretical lens for us to understand and serve kids better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So with that being said, I love that by the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know interrupt I was going to say interrupt me at any time, because when that starts here, then then we'll go deep and I'll try to give breaks every once in a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so Howard Gardner was his name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said there are eight ways and I'll introduce the eight ways and then we'll talk about them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the very first way is spatial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's how and this is not in any particular order.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: space was how you understand space and I'll give examples in a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have the second one bodily kinesthetic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have several of those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the movement that is the athletes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The third one is musical.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fourth is naturalistic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're talking about nature and
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[SPEAKER_01]: The sixth is logical mathematical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean, black and white.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's one way there's there has to be answers and then another one is enter personal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's how I read your body language as I'm talking to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to empathize with you in this moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the final one is intra personal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that inner awareness and self awareness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, thinking of the school system and how these eight ways are utilizing the classroom, well, they're not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have the linguistic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have a teacher stand and I can speak from experience because I was a teacher and I tried.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I try to incorporate different learning styles and teaching methods, but there's only so much you can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I'm in front of a classroom and I'm talking and I'm talking and I'm talking with that's linguistic so my linguistic learners are thriving they are just taking notes they got it they ace the test but my musical kids are like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, in law and thinking a song in their head, this connected, this engaged not because they're not interested, but because we're not speaking their language, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other way that most traditional classroom environments are set up, and we even bleed this into our homeschooling environments often times, I find myself doing this and I'm like, oh, Kelly, stop is the logical mathematical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is it's multiple choice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only one answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You think of math.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There may be different ways to do it, but there's one answer, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the kids who think outside the box get lost in this realm of, wow, but there would be so, I could do this completely different than what the teachers are doing right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that in a nutshell is how it's applicable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we can go from wherever you want to go with that information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, just to me, it's so freeing to understand that God created all of us in different ways and that our brains were in different ways and like I said, like the different giftings, the ways that that he allows us to really thrive so we can, you know, serve him serve others well and I think about like, you know, when we see our kids through that lens instead of being frustrated like, oh yeah, why do you always have to be moving right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have one of those kinesthetic learners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, you just really can't you just sit still?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, no, their bodies move, their brains work best when their bodies are moving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you understand that that is not something bad, it's actually how God made them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it makes me tear-eyed because I think,
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[SPEAKER_00]: to understand that that is the specific beautiful way God designed for them to be, and to think, well, how will he use that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, there are five years old, and they're driving you crazy, because they don't stop moving, or they don't stop talking, because they're a verbal, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: they deeply understand people and they want to be with people all the time and they're always asking you for a play date or whatever it is that is driving you kind of crazy sometimes yeah yeah little like if you can shift and you can think okay this is how God created them it is his design for them how will he use it and how can I help them grow and thrive in his design
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when we can do that, when we get to know our kids in this these specific ways and we really study them and understand them, we are actually preparing them to step into who God designed them to be as they grow up and that changes everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: everything, everything, you're so right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember when I was with my son and I was reading a passage to him, an English passage, and
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was kicking the ball around and bouncing the ball around and all over the living room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, if I were you just stop because he's talked about it driving you crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I were you just stop and listen and he goes, mom, he was in third grade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm listening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just said blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had no words.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the moment I could goose bumps even saying it because I vividly remember where we were, what we were doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what I was reading, but I know it was English.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he is operating in his gift, it comes easy for him to do it in his own way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have to fit the mold.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that I'm sitting and I'm listening and you have my eyeballs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just because you have somebody's eyeballs is not mean you have their attention, does not mean that they're engaged.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is often where the this engagement happens, where the breaking happens, where the curiosity is lost because we're trying to make kids turn them into little robots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are not, they are created for a purpose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the more curious that we can be as their mom and dad,
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[SPEAKER_01]: about tapping into that if we keep our curiosity and we just hold their hands around like, okay, what is it that drives me crazy about you, but is actually something that God gave to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That little boy is now a 14 year old thriving young man and it's all because I did not clip his wings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is because I came alongside him to let him soar, and he is soaring, and I'm so proud of the man that he's becoming, not because of something that I did, but because I've partnered, and I've stewarded the gifts that God has placed in him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I've done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all, his dad and I have done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, too, when we really look at our kids, like you've done and say, okay, oh, break through, you are listening, even though you're not sitting still, is, and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, the good kid in the classroom or what society has told us taught us to believe and to perceive as the good kid in the classroom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you recognize like, oh, actually you are doing exactly what I'm asking you to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just doing it in your own way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, there are circumstances where, you know, your kid can't probably be, you know, standing in church, kicking the doctor for the thermos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we teach them how to be able to not just survive, but thrive in all sorts of environments that aren't maybe the places where are doing it in a way that isn't like their number one, you know, way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we also offer them as many opportunities as we can to thrive in the way that they are designed to thrive best, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think too, it's a shift of of what the world and what our culture and what our society says.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like these are the ones that matter most like being the kid that sits still enlistened in school takes notes and just thrives in that environment or having some other gift that really shines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you have a kid who's really great at athletics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well that's an easy way for everyone to see like
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[SPEAKER_00]: they are so talented, they are so gifted or a kid that's really gifted in music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you might have a kid who's like, they don't have those giftings and they could feel like, oh, I stink, I'm not good at these other things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then that becomes your job to say, oh, but you know what I notice about you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are so good at understanding people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I notice how you're always a good friend and you pull people out who are lonely and you're really good at understanding what makes them happy and how to help them when they're struggling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are really good with people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have people skills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was going to use that in your life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So even more than just helping them thrive in those gifts that cultures, admires and society and theirs, but even help especially helping them thrive in the things that maybe are a little more hidden, harder to celebrate in on a big stage and saying, how will God use this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that all comes from this understanding
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[SPEAKER_00]: getting to know better, your kids' gifts, who they are, how got me of them to be, how they can thrive in any of those gifts, any of those intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've got two points that I want to add to that specifically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the very first thing, everything that you just said right now is exactly why I believe the Lord called me into the work of ADHD.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because if we look at the world of science with ADHD, I do believe that it's you know heavily centered and not listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please hear me very clearly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not anti meds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you can read a lot of the psychiatrists and they'll all say if you just give a medication without behavior modification you things will not shift because it's just the effects of the medication without teaching the self control and the you know the executive functioning skills and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, with that being said, to me, what I like to do is, hey, let's start with behavior modification.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And part of that is, let's get curious about our kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you say that they're not engaged, that they're, you know, sucking in school and not doing well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, pushing back when you're asking for chores, they're so fighting what they're siblings all the time, and all of that frustration that's really exhausting to the mom, I really do get it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if we are not speaking to those areas of strength, and then also strengthening the areas of weakness, because we all have our weaknesses, I've got plenty of them, but if I don't work,
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[SPEAKER_01]: for in areas that best support me, how I'm wired, how I take, same thing for my kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I am gonna crumble, I am gonna fight back, I am, I'm gonna lose it as their mom, as the adult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So same thing with a kid, who's already not fully developed until their prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed until 25-ish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then a lot of times whenever you see Dr. Russell Barkley has said before that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the ADHD child's about 30% delayed in their executive function.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you see a 10 year old and you're expecting them to act like 10 year old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And look at 10 year old, but then really they're like a sad then year old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you see even that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you remain curious and see it through that lens, and you can say, okay, well, how would I talk to a seven year old?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How would I hold their hand in this moment?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not like I'm controlling the situation, but how would I equip them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How would I talk to them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's the work that was
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[SPEAKER_01]: with the mess framework that I, the Lord gave me for parenting an ADHD child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where all of this comes in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the mess framework is revolutionary to homes because tree wiring how we pair it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And oftentimes that's the problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's
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[SPEAKER_01]: we are trying to hold our ground and our kids pushing back just because of how we're delivering the information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's that the mess framework I'll touch on it really quickly and if you are curious about it, not you necessarily credit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to, great, but you're honest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just feel free to reach out follow along and you can go on my website Dr. Kelly Kagle.com and I have two resources in particular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you do have an ADHD child, I have 10 strategies that will help you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really like target the behaviors in the home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have another freebie that's four.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the eight multiple intelligences and unpacking that a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those are two huge ones, but the mess framework in particular, where we talk a lot about it is inside my mom IQ community, which is only 12.95 a month and we have monthly group coaching calls and we have all these moms pitching in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, this is what's hard, what can we do about this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, my kid is doing X-mine Z and so frustrating in other moms
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[SPEAKER_01]: overcome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just throw all that in there to say that if you are needing further support, I promise you, there are plenty of communities out there, even if it's not MamaQ, where you can find the help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But mess is real quickly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you are, it's modeled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: empathetic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first S is simplified and specific instructions for your ADHD child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the S, the final S is stable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you are stable in your parenting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So first of all, I start with you, parent, what are you modeling?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, I went down a rabbit hole with that one, but I wanted to point that out that if you do have a kid that's behaving in ways that's not appropriate in some areas, that yeah, it's okay, but we can, it's not always ADHD.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it could just end being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even if and if it is or it isn't, I think that that support piece is really helpful because I mean, I can remember myself as a mom with young kids and you know, like I said remembering the kid that drove me crazy that always had to move, you know, and it was like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, actually sometimes while I'm reading him history, he is able to listen better because he's on the swing and he's moving his body or giving all my kids the option to draw while we did read alouds and that was so helpful because moving their bodies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if it was just their hand, it was so helpful for them to to actually listen better and and I and it's so funny because I remember being at church and we would be in church and all my kids would be drawing and it looked as if none of them were paying attention and and it was the struggle as a young mom feeling like, oh, you know, people are going to be judging.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Deskridge kids ain't never listen in church and it's like they are listening actually they're not necessarily taking notes about the sermon that they're drawing because that's one of the ways that helps their brain engage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that support piece for moms is so valuable because hearing from other moms who are in the same stages you, whether it's with ADHD or just you have regular kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to figure out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To have other moms chime in to have people who are on the journey alongside you or a little farther ahead and can say, hey, have you ever considered this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or, oh, totally, my kids are the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that just helps you feel less alone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love that you offer that kind of community for moms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with the additional aspect of you having a lot of knowledge and have done a lot of work in learning in this area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that you can chime in as well and say, hey, have you considered this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to be able to offer that, the combination of those things is incredibly valuable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think of myself as a young mom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How helpful that would have been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because sometimes it does feel really lonely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Greta, here's a thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a mom too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My kids are 14, 9, and 7, and I can't go in and book all these speaking engagements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm raising my own kids right here too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that is just an avenue that I wanted to make it literally the cost of a chipotle bowl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That way, if people are like, we're so scrapped for money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just skip Chipotle, one ball, like literally one lunch and then get this because you're going to get so much life out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was really my heart that it provided me a way to still be present for my family and still stay connected with all these mama's that are, like, I need more support.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need, and this is like, okay, God, this, this is a wonderful avenue to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That won't break the bank for crying out loud.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, um, I want to just make sure because we've talked about quite a few things I think are really helpful that parents listening can be able to find like you said that free be about the aid intelligence is because maybe one of you moms are listening you're like, oh my gosh, this is exactly the information that I've needed to help me understand my kid better or to learn more about the mess system which that was so powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the
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[SPEAKER_00]: where can people find you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You said it once, but I want it all here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll put it in the show notes for you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where can they find all the things that you're putting out into the world so that they can gain from you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to add one more thing and because it's all at the same place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I did write a children's Bible study that goes into the eight frameworks, the eight intelligences in a very child friendly language and then it allows them to practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The verse, oh, sorry, just going to make the verse with an imagery for those who like to go there with what the verse is saying, and then an opportunity for them to do to their own work, create their own image of what they take from that promise from God's word.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also for our linguistics ones to write about how to process that emotion that thought what they're feeling and so this is a really powerful way if you are looking for additional resource that you're like man I don't know where to start this is really cool I would love to do this my kid would really thrive from this, but I don't know where to start like this is one of my very favorite ones Greta and you can see this but others can't like that picture if you were a teenager and you are
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[SPEAKER_01]: super bombarded, and you are overwhelmed, and you have all these worries, all these messages, all these, you know, due dates piling up, and you are just so crammed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the verse that goes with that Philippians 4, 6, and 7, don't worry about anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, pray about everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So God, what you need and thank Him for all He has done, then you will experience God's peace, which exceeds anything we can understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the power of God's Word is all there, and this is just a way for you to bring that application in the day-to-day in your home with your kids as you grow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in his word with his truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So everything that I've talked about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to interrupt you for a second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I love that resource.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm thinking about myself and I was a kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I always wanted to thrive at drawing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not my lane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a word girl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a word girl and so I loved I love that you have the option of oh they could respond to the the verse and the drawing that you the illustration you created by either writing or drawing because I also have a house full of kids who are artists that would respond better with art rather than writing out the words especially made to dyslexic sounds like that writing outwards is going to it's going to be torture but they could do a drawing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I love that you have included those specific things understanding like kids are all different and they interact with no cards in the back too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for our kinesthetic ones, you can just cut these out and walk around and take them all over your room as a reminder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is exactly why we created this resources just to come alongside families who are wanting to be curious about how their kids are wired but give them something that can be root them in God's truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'll link that on the show notes for you guys, but okay, now tell us the rest of the stuff the place is best to come.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Kelly Kagle.com.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's another thing is that Dr. Kelly Kagle.com all of the resource, all of the freebies, all anything anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'll link you guys for you, her podcast is there, you can find our Instagram, all the great stuff, um, and including that devotional, um, there's gonna be a lot of good stuff for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So be sure, you find her and follow her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Kelly, um, before we end the show, I always ask my guests how they are chasing joy in their life right now, whether that's something you're
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[SPEAKER_00]: reading right now, or you're eating right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody ever answers the eating question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I say, right now, everybody's like, oh my gosh, my favorite snack right now, or you know, something you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is bringing you joy in life right now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I hate that I didn't think of an eating answer because that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, I said, it's an interesting answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to give you that answer because that's what you want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to achieve for you, Greta, but in all honesty this year, I was just talking to another founder earlier this morning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, man, I have felt like, for so often, I've been throwing, I've been like Peter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm throwing the nuts on this side, this side, this side, I'm not catching a catch in a catch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was like, Jesus says, hey,
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[SPEAKER_01]: throw it on this side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, but God, I've been doing all of this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm tired.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And literally, that's the season that I've been in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the word joy wasn't necessarily like my word of the year, but that's what I've been chasing this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I've been missing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been missing joy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I told the Lord of them, God, my joy is gone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to have joy again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've laid it all at his feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it has been the most refreshing year and a really long time that I've been able to just sit with my kids when it's time to sit with my kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That right before we hopped on this interview, I was folding clothes and I'm looking at my dusty birds of paradise plant that desperately needs some dusting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I'm gonna go do right after we get off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just simplifying me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like my doing because I wanna.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I've been this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, it wasn't about food, but it's been very refreshing for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's probably lots of joy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are not responsible for answering the question that I've been out in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In my way, you need answered in your way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And actually, I resonate with what you said because I have been to have been finding joy in like trying to simplify my life and just, you know, organizing a closet so that I know everything that's in there and I'm not frantically like, oh, I know I have a here somewhere, someone's bleeding where the band is, you know, like three boxes hidden in here and just taking care of the systems of my home, so that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: things feel more peaceful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I get that because that is joy bringing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you, Kelly, for being here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for just what you shared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there are going to be moms who've listened today and maybe dads do my, you know, three guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be like, oh, I had an aha moment about
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[SPEAKER_00]: my kid and how I can love them, serve them better and help prepare them to go on to the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you for being a part of that and it is a gift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I regret it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a joy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well friends, I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Greta Eskerch podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening and for being part of my team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God bless you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye-bye.
