Confidence. Courage. Career Moves.

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Angela Harris: Welcome to the
F.L.O.W podcast, fearlessly
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leading our way. This podcast is
a space dedicated to
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spotlighting the unfiltered
voices of black women in their
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unique leadership journeys. I am
your host, Angela V. Harris, I'm
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an award winning coach, speaker,
author and champion from black
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women. Make sure you like and
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stay connected to our
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flow.
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Hey, fearless leaders, welcome
back to another episode of the
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flow podcast. I'm your host,
Angela V Harris, and today's
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conversation is one you do not
want to miss, whether you're
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navigating your leadership
journey, contemplating a career
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shift, or wondering how to truly
amplify your value in the
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workplace, this episode is
packed with insight, strategy
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and real talk. My guest today is
the powerhouse, Dr Karen Hills
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Pruden, a seasoned HR executive,
entrepreneur, author and
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advocate for women in
leadership. As you can see, she
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wears many hats. Her story is
one of resilience, bold decision
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making and the power of
investing in yourself. She takes
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us behind the scenes of her rise
to the C suite, shares how she
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negotiated mentorship when the
cost seemed out of reach, and
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breaks down the mindset shifts
needed to move from management
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to leadership. We also tackle
some hard truths. Why so many
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professionals hesitate to bet on
themselves, how women can
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strategically position
themselves for leadership roles,
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and the importance of leveraging
visibility and influence to
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advance your career. And if
you've ever struggled with self
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advocacy in the workplace, Dr
Karen has a game changing
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framework for amplifying your
value that you need to hear.
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Stay tuned, because Dr Karen is
also sharing an exclusive free
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resource with our listeners, 20
things you can negotiate outside
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of salary to increase your total
compensation. You don't want to
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miss this. All right, let's get
into it. Here's my conversation
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with Dr Karen hills, prudent,
welcome to the show. Dr Karen,
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hi, thank you for having me.
Well, I'm so happy to have you
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here today. And Doctor Karen, I
know you wear many hats. You're
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an HR executive, an
entrepreneur, an author, a
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speaker, just to name a few.
Tell us about your story and how
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it shaped the leader that you
are today.
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: Oh, wow.
So the Cliff Notes version, and
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then I'll backtrack. The cliff
notes version is that I was
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blessed to start out on the
front line and make my way up to
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the C suite, and I've been in
senior leadership for a little
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over 15 years now. But the in
between, the Juicy, juicy, as
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one of my coaches would say, is
just that I was a person who had
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worked her way up to middle
management and thought I could
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do better in leadership after
having a succession of two very
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interesting bosses will just say
that they were their tenure was
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less than a year, and I was
like, I think I could do
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leadership. And so deciding that
I wanted to move into
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leadership, not seeing any
female leaders around me
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anywhere, and I had a big
network, and so everybody was
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kind of lingering where I was,
which was middle management.
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This was about 16 years ago, so
LinkedIn was about five years
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old, Dan about 16 years ago. And
so we were all still trying to
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figure it out based on the other
social media. And so I took a
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copy of my resume, shot it out
to two people that I researched
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on LinkedIn two women who look
like me, African American women
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who were in senior leadership
roles, who had been in those
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roles for at least a decade.
Because I said, If God blessed
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me to make it to leadership, I
want sustainability. So shout
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off a copy of my resume along
with a little direct message
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saying, Hey, I'm looking for a
mentor. I don't have any
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mentors. I would love if you be
my mentor. And then my number
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one choice got back to me. She
made me wait for about two
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weeks, and she said, Sure, I'll
be your mentor for $350 an hour.
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Mm. Wow, wow. Yeah, back then,
and even now, if I lost $350
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right now, your girl will be
looking for it. But back then,
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middle manager Karen, I wasn't
rolling like that. But what do
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you do when someone has a
blueprint to get to where you
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want to go, and they're willing
to show you how to get there.
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And so I buckled down and
negotiated for one hour a month,
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not eight hours, one hour one
$350 a month, and signed a one
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year contract with her. And for
those who are listening, no, she
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didn't cut me off at 60 minutes.
But after working with her for a
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little over one hour a month for
one year, four months later, I
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was invited to apply for a
senior leadership position, and
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I've been in senior leadership
since then. And so what I
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learned from that experience,
one is that you need to invest
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in yourself absolutely. You
know, absolutely. And I am glad
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that I wasn't one that got
despondent when she said $350 an
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hour. And I was glad that I was
one that was creative and said,
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Well, hey, how much for one
hour? And I didn't, I didn't let
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her answer for me. I asked the
question, as opposed to assuming
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she would say no, because she
helped me identify my unique
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selling proposition, which a lot
of people call it your USP,
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which is what makes me different
for women with like education
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and like roles such as myself,
and that is that I love data
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analytics, and I can create a
quantifiable number from non
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sales departments that can be
verified and repeated over and
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over again, so that you can
report out how your productivity
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ties into your organizational
productivity. And so that was my
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unique gift. I'm a data girl,
and I can attribute and create
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data points. And so that is the
kind of the cliff notes version
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of my rise to leadership and my
specialties have helped me
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sustain myself in leadership,
and I guess that whole
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experience have caused me to
create a community of women
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leaders and mentors called
Sister leaders for others, so
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that they don't have to go to
that same pain point that I went
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through, and so that's a little
bit about me. That's a whole
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lot, but a little bit
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Angela Harris: like you said,
that's like, kind of like the
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Juicy, juicy cliff notes. But I
want to just kind of go back to
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a couple of things that you
said. First of all, I'm a huge
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LinkedIn lover, like, that's my
favorite social media platform.
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I'm extremely active on
LinkedIn, and I love your
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approach, because that's what I
tell my mentees and also my
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coaching clients about the
direct outreach to people and
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how you personalize your invite
and you ask for what you wanted.
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So I just love that that you
were so you would take an
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initiative back then to do that,
because that's something that I
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still preach today, and
personally, I don't even
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typically respond to people that
don't personalize the the
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initial outreach message to me,
yeah, I'm very particular. I'm
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very serious about my
networking. I don't want to have
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connections just for the sake of
saying I have, you know, 510,
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1000 connections. I really enjoy
interacting with the people, and
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you know this no learning and
knowing about them and being
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able to provide value to them.
And I also like the fact that, I
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guess, like, your mentor was,
you know, serious about valuing
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their time, and wanted to make
sure that you were serious
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about, you know, I guess, like,
just serious about the
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engagement by saying that, okay,
it's $350 to work with me.
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: Yeah,
absolutely. And I paid that
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before the call each month
before the call. She was paid in
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full before we got on the call.
And so I I had no problem with
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that, because each month, she
added value to my life and my
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professional career, just on the
ins and outs. No one tell you
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how to make that conversion from
management to leadership. You
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know, if you are going along in
your career, you may even think
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that they are synonyms for one
another, and they are not, you
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know, as a manager, you are
concerned about day to day
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things, and as a leader, would
she help me to pivot my way of
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thinking? I am thinking about
sustainability and
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competitiveness three to five
years down the road, yeah,
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Angela Harris: yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I just love the importance
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of, you know, investing in
yourself, when I look back at
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the like, the last 10 years of
my life and my career, like I
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realized that I'm not the same
person that I am, and it's
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because, like you, I've been
intentional about making that
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investment in my personal and
professional development. And I
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firmly believe that if we don't
see our own value, how can we
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expect employers to see our
value. So I talk about, you
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know, betting on yourself. So
sometimes you have to bet on
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yourself. So other people will,
you know, bet on you
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: absolutely.
And look, I've paid six figures
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in professional coaching since
then. That was 16 years ago. Um,
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I've invested a lot of money,
but it helps you get the
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knowledge. Knowledge you don't
have to put in the same time
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that your coaches put in. You
get that knowledge right up
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front, and so it kind of gives
you the accelerated path to your
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goals in life when you hire
someone who has walked that walk
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before you.
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Angela Harris: Yeah, and I know
this from I guess, experience
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within my own coaching practice,
I've seen so many women who are
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unhappy at work. They know
they're underpaid and they they
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know that they're being
overlooked for promotions, but
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they're still hesitant to make
that investment for themselves.
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So I guess, like, what would you
say to someone in that scenario
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to help help them get the
courage to make that investment?
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: Well, I
would say, you know, are you
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sick and tired of being sick and
tired? You know they are, but
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they're still not making the
movement. So, yeah, but I would
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say that they are not in enough
pain yet, you know, because you
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will. I mean, again, I when I
went through two very bad
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bosses, it was two years. Each
one of them had a very short
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tenure, but the the mental and
emotional impact of those two
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bosses was well after their
short tenure with the
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organization, and for me to say
to myself, look, I know I can do
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leadership with integrity, with
honesty, I can still hold people
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accountable. I know my stuff. I
just need to know what is the if
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is it politics that's involved
with getting hired in
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leadership? Why do I not see
women in senior leadership? And
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really, it is what you don't
know. And so in order to get the
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information that you don't know,
it's not always going to be
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free. It's not going to always
be free. Usually free gives you
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the surface information, but if
you want the meat and potatoes,
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you usually gotta make some type
of investment, whether it's it's
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time or whether it's money. And
for me, I value because I had
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also paid for my education. My
mom, I'm a daughter of a school
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teacher, so my mom, I went all
the way up, because my mom was
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like, Go out, get your
doctorate, go all the way up.
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And so, because I value
investing in myself, I didn't
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really have a problem with
investing in myself. Now, at
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that time in my career, $350 an
extra $350 was a lot. And
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because, you know, I had small
children at that point in my
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life, but I also the thought of
this person is going to pour
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into me, and I will have the
advantage, as opposed to someone
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else who did not invest in
themselves, I would have the
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knowledge I need to figure out
how to get at least some of this
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knowledge, and come to find out
some of the knowledge that I
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got. So for those people who say
you know that they don't want to
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or can't afford to. You can't
afford not to. You don't have
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the time each day that you're
going into a job that you're not
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happy about, yeah, that you're
going into a position where you
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know you can offer more, but you
don't even have the authority to
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bring the idea to the table
because of your title. You can't
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afford not to figure out a way
to get the information that you
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need, and if it comes with the
invoice, figure out how you
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going to make it happen.
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Angela Harris: I love that you
can't afford not to
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: No,
absolutely you can't, absolutely
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you can't. I
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Angela Harris: just want to sit
with that for a second. I'm
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curious. You know you made that
$350 investment, how much of a
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return on that have you seen
from the course of your career
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since making that $350
investment? Because I feel like
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that's the other thing people
don't see. It's like, oh, you
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know, $350 or, you know, $5,000
for this coaching program. But
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if you get promoted, I feel like
that money, that that
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investment, is going to be
returned to you tenfold,
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: absolutely.
So I worked with her for one
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year, so 350 times 12, whatever
that is. I'm not a
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mathematician, but 350 times 12,
and then I was invited for to
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apply for the position four
months after working with her,
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and so let's say another 350 so
what is the return on the
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investment after investing at
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that is 12 plus four to 16
months. Well, it for me, it was
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great because I wasn't one of
those people who had applied for
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a position and never made it to
the next level, and never found
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out why. I never even put in the
time to apply for the leadership
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position until I was invited to
which happens to be right after
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I work with her. So the first
process that I went through, and
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it was a four month process,
because C suite positions aren't
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No, you go in for interview on
Monday, and they offer you a job
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on Wednesday. No, it was a four
month process. I went through
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panel interviews and meeting
stakeholders and different
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things like that. Soon as I went
through that four month process,
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after working with her, I got my
first senior leadership
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position, which also happened to
be my first senior. Six Figure
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position. So financially, and I
think at that time, I think I
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was making about 75 and I went
up to 160 so financially, plus
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the perks that were associated
with the position, in terms of
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options and different things,
but also in terms of not just
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the money, but it allowed me to
impact my life and my children's
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life immediately, as opposed to
later, while I figure it out,
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because our standard of living
increase, the people that I now
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am sitting in a room with, I'm
learning more from them because
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they are a high level of
individual. Also, I was exposed
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to my employer paying for
certain certifications because
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of the level of my position. So
now I have more certifications
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behind my name. So the payoff
was not just financial. There
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was some reputational capital
that was associated with me
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being elevated, because now I am
navigating in rooms on behalf of
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my organization with other like
minded people. And so it's
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creating my own network, my
network outside of my position
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with that organization, because
you're only as good as the
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problem that you solve in your
industry, where people are aware
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of what problem you solve, not
who you work for, but what
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problem you solve. And so
because of that, being in those
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rooms now, I am creating my
reputation within my industry,
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outside of my employer, which I
leverage when I started my own
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consulting
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Angela Harris: business. So it
sounds like it just keeps. It
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kept paying you forward, in a
sense,
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: absolutely.
I mean, it keeps and of course,
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I've hired a number of different
people since then, but I'm, I'm
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a lifetime learner. I won't,
don't. I will never know
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everything in a room. I will be
as quiet as possible, and you'll
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look over there, and I'll be
right in the way, right in the
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way. I keep a notebook with me
all the time, yup. And I got a
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follow up game that's, that's
out of this world. You give me
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your card, your number that day,
by that evening, before I go to
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bed at night. Hey, it was I'm
glad to meet you. Let's stay in
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contact. You know you, if
relationships is the new
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currency of this decade, it is
the new currency. Cultivating
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relationships will get you
places faster than another
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degree, another another
certification, and so people
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need to tap into that
reputational capital of
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relationships.
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Angela Harris: Well, that's a
great segue to our next
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question, because I heard you
say that your access to some of
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the rooms helped you as you went
to form some of your other
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businesses. So I know outside of
your day to day job, you do have
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quite a few businesses. So what
inspired you to start prudent,
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Global Business Solutions,
consulting and the sisters
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leaders community? So it's
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: funny, I
am a product of a mother who is
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pro education. My mom's a
retired school teacher of 36
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years and so my mom preached all
my life, you know, go get your
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education. Go get your highest
education. And so hence I went
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all the way up to my doctorate,
but I'm also the product of my
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dad, who was pro entrepreneur.
Don't work for anybody on your
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own. You can never be fired if
you work for your own. And so
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coming from those two very
different backgrounds, I
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acquired the best of both
worlds. I have always used my
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talents in the marketplace from
a very young age. If I had a
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talent that people were were
willing to pay for, whether it
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was braiding hair or being the
candy lady on the bus or
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whatever it was, I've always had
that entrepreneurial spirit,
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because I always saw my dad, who
was pro entrepreneur, and so me
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creating prudent global was more
so of after about five years of
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me giving my talents away,
someone was like, Look, chick,
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this is not a hobby. This is a
business, even though you're
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working for someone else,
because I am an entrepreneur,
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and an entrepreneur, I continue
to work in leadership for
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someone else. And so they were
like, This is not a hobby. You
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can't keep giving this out for
free. You need to formalize
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yourself. You need to determine
your pricing structure. And so
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because I kept getting that
feedback, people were like,
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well, how much you charge? And
it's like, oh, I won't charge
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you anything. And at a certain
point, the same people who were
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asking me how much you charge,
and I was saying, I won't charge
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you anything, they were saying,
No, that's unacceptable. You got
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to figure it out. And so that's
how I started my consulting
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business. Because at the midst
of starting my consulting
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business, I was into real estate
investing, because I believe in
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multiple streams of income. So I
was a real estate investor. I
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was a styling investor, but I've
had a real estate license for
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several decades, but people were
like, No, you cannot continue to
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give this away for free. And so
I had to formalize myself.
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Angela Harris: Yeah, well, I
think it's great that the people
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that were in your network were
pushing this way to. Pushing you
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to say, like, Hey, you can't
continue to give this away for
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free, because often times so
many of us, so many people, will
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just say they'll try to suck
everything out of you for free.
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So it sounds like you definitely
have the right community around
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you. That's, you know, uplifting
you.
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: Yeah, I
was blessed that I had enough
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people who looked at the
sustainability. I think they
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were looking at, no, this is not
a one time thing. This is
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something that you can leverage
over and over and over again,
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and you need to structure
yourself.
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Angela Harris: Mm, hmm. And I
heard you talk about being an
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entrepreneur. And for the
listeners, entrepreneurship is
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the practice of acting like an
entrepreneur within your current
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organization. So Doctor Karen,
how have you leveraged your
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entrepreneur skills in your day
to day job?
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: Well,
it's funny, because most
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entrepreneurs used to be an
entrepreneur. Most of them used
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to work for somebody else. And
so I'm a leader regardless. So I
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am a leader working for someone
else. I work in higher ed. I'm
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assistant vice president of
project management and finance
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and administration. Hence, I'm
still a numbers geek, so it's
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still all about numbers in
business, but I have the
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competencies of a leader, and I
have had the competencies of a
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leader for some time. So whether
I'm working for myself or
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someone else, I am all about
leading people, leading change
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using technology and analytics,
which are the four major bullets
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for any particular leader. So I
choose to travel both of those
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lanes, because there haven't
come a time where they're
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severely collide. I've had a
couple of times where they
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possibly collide, where people
have asked me to do various
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things, and because of my day
job, I wasn't able to do it. But
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for the most part, they have.
I've been able to coexist being
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an entrepreneur and an
entrepreneur, and so I haven't
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felt the need to just pick a
lane, which some people feel
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forced to do. I've been blessed
to have coaches, professional
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coaches, who say that you don't
have to pick a lane, but there
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will come a time in your life
and in your career, where you
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will make the decision of
whether or not you want to have
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one lane versus two lanes. But
right now, they both coexist.
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I'm able to use all of my
talents in both lanes, and so I
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continue to do that as well as I
teach a lot of leaders. And so
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it works to my advantage to
continue to be in the
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marketplace, actively in the
marketplace. Because the people
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that I am working coaching and
working with are actively in the
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marketplace as well. Well,
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Angela Harris: that's amazing
that you're able to, you know,
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get that fulfillment from both
your day to day job and your
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entrepreneurial
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: activities.
Absolutely, absolutely. Some
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people are not so blessed.
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Angela Harris: Yeah, I can
relate to that. That was me.
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That was me. I want to go back
to something you said. I love
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the fact that you said that you
always had the competencies of a
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leader. And I feel like
sometimes we, as women, we
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overlook the fact that you don't
need a title to be a leader. We
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are leaders in our everyday
lives, just for the simple fact
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of we're motivating ourselves to
get out of bed in the morning.
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And although we may not have the
title within corporate America,
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we're running non profit boards.
We're leaders in our churches
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and other, you know, civic
organizations that we are
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members of.
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: Absolutely
so when I was in middle
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management, people used to come
in my office, people from the C
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suite, the senior leaders, would
come in my office and run stuff
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past me. That's what they would
say, let me run this past you.
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middle management. And so
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although I didn't have the
leadership title and I had a
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management title, but you don't
necessarily need a title if, if
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you're a good at what you do,
and people value what it is you
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do, and you know how to
communicate what it is you do,
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and you are honest when people
talk with you, then you can just
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become a go to person, a trusted
go to person. And believe me,
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you can even leverage that. You
can stay right where you are,
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you can be the best go to
person, stay right where you are
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and make as much money as
possible as they'll give you
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right where you are. You don't
always have to go up to the
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leadership title. I know a lot
of people say, I don't want the
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headache of leadership, yeah,
okay. Well, be the best that you
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can be right where you are. But
the biggest thing is you have to
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amplify your value, which is one
of my frameworks, and what does
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that mean? That means that
others need to know the value
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that you add to the workspace.
They need to know what your your
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reputation is in terms of, what
do people say about you when
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you're not in the room? Well,
it's generally what problem that
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you solve. And so that will be
the problem that they come to
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you with, again, being the go to
person, and you gotta know how
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to communicate. You got to know
how to tell people not only what
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they want to know, but what they
need to know. And sometimes what
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they need to know is what they
want don't want, sometimes they
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don't want to hear that. But if
you are someone who is trusted
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and valued, they will appreciate
you saying what they don't want
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to hear. Or because it's the
honest it's honest, it's the
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honest conversation, and it may
impact how they go and present
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themselves to someone other they
can pivot and make a change such
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as that.
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Angela Harris: So I heard you
talking about the fact that
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sometimes women don't know how
to amplify their value. That's
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one of your frameworks. So what
are some of the other common
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challenges women face in these
spaces, and how do you help them
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overcome that absolutely so
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: visibility
creates opportunity. It also
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allows people to see what it is
that you're an expert in, and it
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doesn't always come with
additional money. You know, a
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lot of times we as women, we
hold multiple roles. We are a
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wife, mother, you know, we're
also trying to be a
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professional, and sometimes we
want to run home right after
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work. Well, sometimes there are
decisions made after work, doing
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working lunch, maybe at a
working dinner. It could be at
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someone's wedding, who happens
to get married at your, all of
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your you know, all of the work
people sometimes congregate
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because they have that
commonality, and then they start
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talking work business, a lot of
decisions that impact our career
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made outside of the office, and
because we as women sometimes
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are so multi faceted, we're so
focused on trying to hold it all
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together, that we forget about
Doing a little extra at work to
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get that visibility, so that if
an opportunity does present
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itself, your name will be in the
hat. And so that is one thing,
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not taking advantage of
opportunities outside of the
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office, because a lot of
decisions are made outside of
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the office. Another barrier that
I call a self imposed barrier,
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is that we think it's bragging
when we talk about our wins. Mm,
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hmm, but I guarantee you, most
women has worked with a male
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counterpart, but you know,
everything he did all the way
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back to kindergarten, and you
don't, you don't consider him to
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be bragging, and so it is not
bragging when you are really
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merely sharing with others the
things that you have done in the
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past, so that they would know
the skill set that you have that
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can help you, help you or them
or their business going forward.
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And so we need that literally
amplify, in terms of say
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verbally, the things that we've
done. And we need to have a work
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profile, not just a resume. A
work profile is all of the
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committees you've worked on,
what the objectives were, what
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the results of those objectives,
what are the level of the people
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that you've worked with on those
committees? You know, how much
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money did you generate? How much
money did you make, how much
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money did you save? Because as a
leader, our responsibility is to
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make money, save money or
achieve organizational goals.
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Everything we do fall in those
three buckets. Either you're
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achieving organizational goals,
either you're saving the
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organization money, or you're
making the organization money
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and a lot of times or time, time
can equate to value. So time is
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worth money as well. We don't
talk about those things. We also
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don't talk in terms of metrics.
Quantifiable metrics cannot be
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disputed. We don't keep track of
them. We don't use them in our
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language. And so we like to use
soft language. We like to use
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soft language such as, you know,
I'll say reputational language,
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such as people like me, or my
staff like me, or my No my staff
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retention rate is 82% over the
last five years. Not my staff
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likes me, you know, and so
figure out how to speak. And
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sometimes that is not something
you can learn on your own.
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Sometimes you have to talk to
either people in the positions
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that are higher than you, or
people who know what it what is
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required to be elevated in the
market. Mm, hmm. And
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Angela Harris: I love the fact
that you spoke about the work
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profile, because one of the
things I tell my clients is to
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have the brag book. And so when
it comes time for our
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performance appraisals, like you
don't have to scramble to go
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back. What did I do this year?
What projects did I work on?
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What type of praise did I get,
like, how much impact did I
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make? So if you have this brag
book and you update it, say,
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like, you know, weekly, monthly,
when it comes time to write that
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review, you have all your data
right there to pull from. Yeah,
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: absolutely,
yeah. And you know what? It's
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not going to be to anybody's
advantage if you, if you don't
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remember, they're not going to
remember for you unless their
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performance is tied to your
performance, right, right? You
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know so if their performance is
tied to your performance, but
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that don't mean that they may
give you credit for your
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performance. They may just
restate what your performance is
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on whatever document self
assessment that they may have
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for their performance, but no,
we have to keep track of our
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wins, because we forget we move
on to the next thing.
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Angela Harris: And I want to go
back to something else you said.
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You talked about how a lot of
decisions are made outside of
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the office. So what advice would
you have for women who may be
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like the first woman or like the
only woman, woman in. In like a
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male dominated environment to,
you know, get comfortable, to
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even attend some of those out of
work events, if they're only, if
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they're, they're only going to
be the first and the only in the
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room.
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: Uh, to
me, the fact that you are the
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only, you're going to stand out.
You're going to stand out more
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so, so you're the only woman on
the team everybody likes to win
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now. And I'm not downplaying any
any hardships that women and
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male dominated environments have
went through. But what I will
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tell you is that everybody likes
to win, so you have to bring
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your A game. So you have to be
the best at what you do. You
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have to be the best. So you
can't just be a woman,
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unfortunately, and just be
marginal like the guys. It could
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be 100 guys on a team, and now
you're 101 employee, and you're
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the only woman and you're
marginal. What you want to do is
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be the woman and stand out,
which, again, needs to be. You
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need to bring your A game so
that when you are communicating
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with them. Not only are you
communicating at a higher level
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because you're extraordinary and
they're ordinary to say it like
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that at a higher level, but you
add value to the conversation
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when you when you step on theme.
And so to me, it's all the more
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reason to stand out when you are
the only and the first. And many
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times I've been the only woman.
I've been the only person of
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color and the only woman. So
they checked off two blocks, and
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now that I'm over 40, I'm the
only woman. I'm the only
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sometimes it's the young kids
that are there, and I'm the
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oldest too. But when I walk in
the door, I add value to the
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conversation, and they look
forward to what I have to say,
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because I have a reputation of
adding value to the
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conversation, and sometimes
adding value is not taking over
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the conversation, it is
listening to everybody else and
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filling in the gaps of what they
don't consider. So sometimes I'm
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the last person to talk. Most
times I am the last person to
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talk. Very rarely do people let
me leave a meeting and not say
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anything, because they invited
me to the meeting, because they
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figured I had something of value
to add. And so because I have a
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reputation of being one of the
last people to speak before they
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adjourn that meeting, they'll
say, Well, Karen or Dr Pruden,
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do you have anything you want to
add? And then what do I do? I
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take everything that I've heard
the whole time and said nothing,
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and figure out what the gaps
that they haven't considered,
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and put those gaps with their
problems on the table to say, I
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hear this was said, and that was
said, Have we considered a, b,
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c, d? Because if you are not
saying anything in a meeting,
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then you need to be taking in
everything that is being said
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and figuring out what how is
this going to help you achieve
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your goal, or how is it going to
be a barrier to what it is that
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you're talking about? And by the
time the question gets around to
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you about what your thoughts
are, then all you need to lay on
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00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:56,620
the table is what someone else
has not said or considered.
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Angela Harris: Doctor Karen, you
were dropping so many gems,
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like, I love what you said.
Women are extraordinary, men are
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ordinary.
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: Yep,
that's why I said yes.
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Angela Harris: And your strategy
just to highlight the gaps in
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the conversation that folks may
not have
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: addressed.
Yeah, one of my, one of my
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things that kind of make my
blood boil when someone gets the
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opportunity to talk and they
repeat something that has
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already been said, yeah, yeah.
It's like you just, you're just
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wasting my time. You're just
talking for the sake of talking.
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But if you have the opportunity
to add something that we didn't
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consider, then come on, bring
it. Say it, but don't repeat
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something that's been said 15
different ways in this room,
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because now that's the reason
why people hate meetings. Yes,
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yes.
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Angela Harris: Well, Doctor
Karen, I know you've authored
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over 30 books and received
countless accolades. How do you
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stay motivated and balanced
while managing your career?
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: I'm a
busy body. I love everything
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that I do. And actually, my
husband just said to me
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yesterday, I think he was taking
a dig at me. He was like, you
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don't have a off switch. And I
was like, because I like
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everything, I like everything
that I do, but and I thought
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about it after he said that, and
I said, you know, what a
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wonderful place it is to be in
my life where I enjoy everything
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that I do, yeah,
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Angela Harris: yeah, that's
true. And if I'm putting short
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with that, it doesn't feel like
work to you, because you enjoy
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it so much. Correct?
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: Which
is, which was his issue, you
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know? Because he feels like I'm
working around the clock, which
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I don't, I don't work around the
clock. Don't believe the rooms
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you hear. But, um, but I do work
a lot, you know, because I do
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have various businesses, and I
do work for someone else, but I
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don't mind putting in an extra
hour sometime at night or doing
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an interview or something, if it
is in my lane of brilliance,
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because I feel like if someone
hears me talk, then maybe I can
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help elevate the next woman or
the. Next leader. You know, you
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can't take all your talents to
the grave. You know, I think you
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do yourself an injustice. And
for me, it is about influence
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and impact. I want to use my
influence to impact others by
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sharing everything that I know.
I'm not one that hoards
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information, because I'm a
lifetime learner. You will never
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know everything that I know,
because I'm always still
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learning, and so I'm not one
that feels like I can't share
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stuff with people. And so I do a
lot of interviews. I mean, I do
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about five, six podcast
interviews a week. I do
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Association. I speak in
conferences, I global speak. I'm
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a coach for certain
organizations, Chamber of
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Commerce. My goal is to I would
like to see more women leaders,
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but if it can't be a woman
leader, can we just have a
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competent leader who has
emotional intelligence? Yes, you
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know, who has technical
expertise and who is willing to
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share. So I'll take that in a
man or a woman. If it can't be a
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woman, then I'll take that in a
man, but it needs to be
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emotionally intelligent, yes,
you know. And they need to have
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the technical competence and be
willing to share.
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Yes,
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Angela Harris: yes, all of that,
all of that. Well, Doctor Karen,
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with so many achievements, what
do you hope your lasting impacts
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on the leadership landscape will
be,
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: wow. So
if God took me away from here
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tomorrow, and I would hope that
that day where people are
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talking about me, that they will
talk about how much I shared,
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you know, how much I shared, and
how it changed and impact their
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life. Um, my I don't live and
get up every day to leave a
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legacy, but I do know that we
all leave some type of legacy,
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and I just want my legacy to be
one where I helped others and I
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didn't hoard my knowledge and
hoard my information that I
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shared as much as I could share
I was asked to share so that
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others can elevate themselves
quicker, you know, so that they
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can get their goal to their
goals quicker and so they can
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sustain themselves. Because I
believe that women aren't in
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senior leadership is still a
disparate impact, not because of
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a lack of talent. I think it's a
lack of knowledge of what is
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needed. It is plenty of women
out here who have the skills,
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but if they go into the
leadership process talking about
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what they did last week, now
they're behind the eight ball
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because we're talking about what
we're doing three years down the
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road, leadership and management
are not synonyms. And so first,
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we need to educate each other on
the difference between
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management and leadership, and
then we need to tell people what
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leadership really is, because it
is more than six figures and
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your parking space and a nice
office. Oh, I'm usually in the
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office, when my staff is at
home, a lot of times, I send my
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staff home, and I'm there
working so that they can go
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home. And so it's a lot of
times, it's a lot of sacrifice.
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You're the most vulnerable the
higher up you go, and you're the
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most vulnerable because your
success depends on everybody up
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under you. And so you have to
look at the mental health of
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everybody up under you, you need
to make sure they have the
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resources they need. And
resources, not just money,
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resources time. Resources is the
ability to do their job with
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different things, the computer
and sometimes it could even be a
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particular chair if they're
sitting down for long periods of
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time. But your employees need
the resources they need so that
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they can produce and produce and
be happy when they produce. They
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don't have to be ecstatic. But
Can, can we just be happy? Can
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they be happy? Can we just, can
we just see a smile when we walk
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in the hallway and see our
employees? Because that makes we
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spend a lot of time at work. We
do. We do. And it shows on your
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employees face when you don't
have an environment where people
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are laughing and giggling and
having fun, it may not be the
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healthiest of an environment,
because even the hardest workers
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periodically laugh, joke and
have fun at work, it goes back
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to what you said about needing
emotionally intelligent leaders.
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Like an emotionally intelligent
leader will look for those
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things. Yes, absolutely. Take
action when they don't see those
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things existing. Sorry, ask
questions. You know, I can, I
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can. My employees can walk in,
and one of them can walk past
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me, and my spirit will say,
something's going on,
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something's going on. And so
when they by the time they get
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to their office, I'm there, Hey,
where's that? Smile, or I didn't
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hear you joke today, or what's
going on. You want to talk, and
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it's up to them. They may not
want to talk, but I want them to
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know I recognize that you aren't
who you generally show up as
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every day, and you are seen.
Yeah, so you see. Yeah, yeah,
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yeah. Don't see their people or
people absolutely so I don't
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force them to talk. But they
they and they'll say, oh, had a
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bad night, not really ready to
talk about it. No problem. I
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just want to let you know that I
noticed that you aren't you know
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you aren't who you normally are.
Wow,
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Angela Harris: that's amazing. I
want to switch gears a little
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bit and move into a lightning
round, and this is how the
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listeners get to know a little
bit more about you. Want to
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rapid fire questions. Let's do
it. All right. Are you ready?
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Yes, yes. All right. First
question. One thing I try to do
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every day is,
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: wow. One
thing, eat popcorn. Don't judge
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me. Flavor, sweet and sorrow.
Kettle Corn.
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Angela Harris: Okay, okay. Next
question, I feel most alive
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when,
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: when I'm
talking about leadership,
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believe it or not, I really feel
alive, just if I especially to
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someone who aspires to be a
leader. I just love it because
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their eyes, they're like hooked
into you, and you know they're
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gonna take what you say and sit
back and let it marinate and
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possibly use the information
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Angela Harris: you're you're
lighting up right now, yeah,
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just
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: Yeah. I
love talking to aspiring people.
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Angela Harris: Okay, a
professional experience that
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shaped who I am today was
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: learning
how to not write, write long
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emails on my on my cell phone. I
got called in to task for
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misspelled words, and and that
was interesting, because that
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boss said that I needed a
spelling class. And here I was
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in the C suite she's talking
about I need a spelling class. I
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was like, the devil is a lie.
Let me figure out what's going
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on. So I figured out that I am
not at my best writing long
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emails on my small screen on my
cell phone. So now I don't do
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any more to two to three
sentences on my cell phone, and
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I wait until I get to my laptop.
But that was a professional
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lesson that I had to learn. I
had to do some self assessment
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as to what is she talking about
misspelled words. She showed me
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the emails. They were definitely
misspelled. And so I thought
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about what I was doing when I
Okay, and I was doing it on my
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cell phone. So you can't do
everything on your cell phone
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contrary to popular beliefs, at
least I can't.
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Angela Harris: Well, that's
great self awareness on your
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part.
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: Yes,
absolutely. Because girl, she
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told me, I need a spelling
class, I was like, what?
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Angela Harris: Okay, my go to
mantra for tough times is,
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: no
excuses. Make it happen.
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Angela Harris: Love it. Love it.
When I need a quick energy
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boost, I eat. I eat. What's your
favorite food to eat? Oh, wow,
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popcorn, the cattle corn, yes,
the boldest risk I've ever taken
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was,
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: oh, I'm
in the midst of it right now. I
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just hired a six figure coach,
wow, like, Oh my god. Each
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month. I'm like, Oh my God, when
it's time for that payment, but
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yeah, but I'm already seeing the
impact of the of the coach, but
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yeah, that's the largest amount.
So it's a long way from the 350
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an hour. Wow,
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Angela Harris: but you've come a
long way. Sister, I have, yes, I
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have last question to me,
success means
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: influence
and impact. Okay, yeah, being
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able to influence others and
have an impact on others. Mm,
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hmm,
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Angela Harris: well, Doctor
Karen, before we wake, um, wrap
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up, I have one last question I
like to ask all my guests, and I
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know you're a busy body, as you
say. So what do you like to do
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when you aren't fearlessly
leading
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: so I am
a law junkie, so I like looking
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at law and order, and depending
on how long, depending on where
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people met me, I actually went
to law school. I decided I
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didn't want to be a lawyer in
law school, and I ended up
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getting my doctorate in
something else because I didn't,
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but I actually made it all the
way to law school and decided,
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Nope, don't want to do this, but
I love law, so I am a law and
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order junkie. All of the law and
orders. You can find a law and
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order anytime of the day, every
day, on cable, and I am there
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sitting there looking at law and
order. Wow, you have
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Angela Harris: so many layers to
you. Doctor Karen,
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: I hope
that's a good thing,
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Angela Harris: a wealth of
knowledge to bring to everyone
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that's amazing.
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: Uh,
thank you. You too, kind. I.
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Angela Harris: Well, thank you
so much for sharing your
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insights with us today. How can
the listeners stay connected
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with you and the work that
you're doing?
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Unknown: So I play on LinkedIn.
You want to find me. I put
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everything on LinkedIn. So
LinkedIn is my sandbox. Is how I
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say it. I also have a website
under my name,
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drkarenhillspruden.com um, I
also want to offer your
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listeners a free downloadable I
have the QR code for those who
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are visually able to see me,
that's right above me, but it'll
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also be in the pot in the
podcast notes, a link of 20
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items that you can ask for in
addition to salary, to increase
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your total compensation. Because
with my clients, we think total
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compensation, not just salary.
And I've had some clients who
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double and triple their total
compensation because of the
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additional things outside of
salary that they ask for. And so
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let's think total compensation
for those that are entrepreneurs
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and working for others,
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Angela Harris: wow. Well, thank
you for that generous gift. I
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will make sure they get the the
link to download that
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Dr. Karen Hills Pruden: absolutely,
absolutely and thank you for
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having me, my
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Angela Harris: pleasure, my
pleasure. And to our listeners,
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thank you so much for joining us
today. If you enjoyed this
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