Mega Edition: Alan Dershowitz And The Many Epstein Related Lawsuits (10/4/26)

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We have an article from Deadline. And the headline is...
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This article was authored by Dominic Patton. And again, with Dershowitz,
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it's always these splashy-ass headlines, right? $ 80 million defamation suit. Bitch!
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You should pay the girls from Florida $ 80 million each
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for the way you defamed them with your buddy Lefkowitz,
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with your pal Ken Starr. I mean, who do these
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people think they are? It's amazing that these people truly
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believe that nobody's paying attention. And I guess, you know,
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for so long, nobody was paying attention. So they got
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comfortable in their narrative. They got comfortable in nobody poking
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holes in their story. And now that people have come
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forward and have taken an interest in this case and
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have looked at things with a close eye and seen
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obviously shit is worse than ever expected. Dershowitz don't dig it.
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His friends don't dig it. The narrative is not theirs
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anymore to mold. The narrative is not theirs anymore to control.
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And that is the biggest fear these people have. is
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not being in control of the narrative. The messy legal
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battle over Netflix's Jeffrey Epstein Filthy Rich docuseries has now
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gotten down and dirty. In a flurry of filings Monday,
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the streamer-director-showrunner Lisa Bryant, executive producer Joe Berlinger, and producers
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Radical Media, LLC, and Leroy & Morton Productions, LLC, all
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denied Alan Dershowitz's claims of defamation and more, made in
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May this year, when he said he was hoodwinked into
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appearing in the High Profile series in 2019. So right
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off the bat, there's some issues there, right? He was hoodwinked?
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I thought you were the smartest man in the room,
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Alan Dershowitz. I thought you were just so much smarter
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than everybody else, Mr. I Kept My Underpants On. Oh yeah,
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I was down at Zorro Ranch only for an hour
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one time. So what do you mean you were hoodwinked?
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So you're stupid is what you're saying? You're admitting that
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you're a dumbass? You're admitting that you're a jackass of
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epic proportions? Is that what you're admitting, Mr. Dirty Dersh?
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Because it sure sounds like what you're admitting to me here,
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that you're incompetent. Oh, I'm just a doddering old fool.
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I had no idea what the Netflix series was going
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to be about. Give me a break already, okay? What
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happened was... He thought he was going to be able
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to dominate the narrative. He thought he'd be able to
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flex on Lisa Bryant. He thought he'd be able to
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control things over at Netflix. And he was sorely mistaken.
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His apple cart overturned. His plans screwed up. And now
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somebody has to pay because I am Alan Dershowitz. That's
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how this guy thinks. You know what I mean? He's
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one of them dudes. But in reality... The boomerang effect
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is on its way. Oh, he fired off his lawsuit.
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Looking like a big guy, right? 80 million for defamation. Well,
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now the boomerang effect has taken place. And the countersuit
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has come. And, like usual, Alan Dershowitz is looking like
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a douche. In very similar language from their mutual attorneys
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at Palm Beach Shulman Fugate PLLC... and NYC's Davis Wright Tremaine, LLP,
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they all also denied there was any special deal to
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show Dershowitz's so-called materials, or evidence, of his non-involvement with
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then-teenager Virginia Roberts as they looked at the widely publicized
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allegations that he had sex with a minor groomed by
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the now mysteriously dead convicted sex offender. Oh, well, all
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this evidence that dirty Dersh is always talking about Have
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any of you ever seen any of it? Has he
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produced any of it? Has he put any of it
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out there in the atmosphere? Oh, I didn't think so
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because I'm totally not hip to it. If there's some
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evidence out there that proves that Dirty Dersh wasn't involved
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in any of this, let's see it. He's another one
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of these people always talking big about evidence this, evidence that.
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You have no evidence for anything, okay? Okay? All that's
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evident from all of this is that you're an epic jackass.
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And literally, flipping the script, there's more. Netflix and the
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other defendants have now become the plaintiffs against the reversal
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of Fortune Lawyer in countersuits of their own. Slapping down
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Dershowitz with their anti-slap moves, the filthy rich gang hasn't
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named any specific sum they're looking for out of the
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Harvard professor, but we do know they ain't looking for
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a few bucks and a bus token, if you know
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what I mean. And that's for sure, that encaptures it, right?
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They're definitely not going to be looking for just a
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couple of cents here. Old boy started something. See, you know,
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it's one of my favorite sayings. People have to fuck
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around and find out to learn. And when I say people,
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I'm people for the most part, right? When I was younger,
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my mom would say, hey, don't touch that. It's hot. Oh,
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I had to touch that shit. Now you got somebody
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like Dershowitz who's never been told no in his whole
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entire life. Thinks he's going to get away with just
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firing off this wacky ass ridiculous lawsuit against Netflix and
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not get any boomerang slapback. He was wrong. And one
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thing I will say about the so-called elite when it
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comes to the Epstein case is there's been a lot
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of missteps as of late. In the past year or so,
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if you really pay attention, there has been a lot
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of missteps. And you can see the writing on the wall.
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I mean, who would have thought a couple of years
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ago that Glenn Dubin, Les Wexner, all of these people,
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Prince Andrew, would have to step down from their public positions?
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If you would have told me a few years ago
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that Les Wexner would have given up his stake in
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both companies, I would have told you you were crazy.
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There's no way that a scumbag like that would ever
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cede power. But he did. Now, of course, it's not enough, right?
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But it's a start. And what these elite definitely need
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to know, these so-called elite, is that they don't control
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the narrative anymore. And the legacy media is no longer
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the only place where people are getting news or information. See,
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here's the thing. These legacy media outlets can run around
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and talk about all they want about how, oh, well,
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we're the provider of news. We bring you the sourced news.
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We bring you the best news. We bring you the
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true news. When in reality, all you got to do
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is flip that shit on And then do a little
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research and you see that everything's skewered, everything's bullshitted, everything's garbage.
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So why would anyone trust that stuff? So people look
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for other sources of news and people find them wherever
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they find them. And sometimes, you know, it's not a
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good situation, right, for the legacy media. So you could
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see why they'd be against it. They want those clicks.
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They want that ad revenue. And people are getting tired
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of it. People are tired of being lied to. People
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are tired of turning on the TV and seeing the
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same shit over and over and over again, as if
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there are no other problems around the world or in
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this country. And people are looking for other means to
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get that news. People are looking for other means to
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get that information. And thankfully, we live in a society
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where that's possible. Netflix is entitled to compensatory damages and
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punitive damages because Dershowitz commenced this action for the purpose,
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and indeed for the sole purpose, of harassing, intimidating, punishing,
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or otherwise maliciously inhibiting Netflix's free exercise of speech and petition,
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says a counterclaim filed today in federal court in Florida,
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where Dershowitz lives. So you can click on the filing
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as well here in the article. Obviously, the article will
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be posted in the description box, so you can just
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check it out there as well. But it's funny to
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watch guys like Dershowitz maneuver, right? Especially when you see
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their moves coming five miles away. They have a playbook
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they stick to at this point. It's like the stubborn
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football coach, how I always talk about the retread stubborn
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football coach, who goes back to the playbook no matter what. Look,
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I run the eye for him. That's all I run. Okay, fine,
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even though you're losing every single game, stick to your playbook.
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The best coaches, the best managers, the greatest minds are
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able to adjust on the fly. They take the evidence
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as it comes, they process it, and then they move
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on with their lives. They level up. They decide what
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they're going to do next. They don't just keep going
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back to the same playbook over and over and over again,
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hoping it works. The Bryan-directed docuseries focused on tales from
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survivors of abuse at the hands of Epstein, who used
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his wealth, power, and high-powered connections to carry out his abuses.
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Having slipped through the legal system, on more than one
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occasion but now with the personal affairs of his friends
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about to be revealed epstein apparently killed himself in a
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new york city jail in 2019 allegedly right Dershowitz was
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interviewed for the series both because, as he alleges, he
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was part of a team defending Epstein from sex crimes
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involving underage girls, and because he was personally dragged into
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Epstein's story when one of Epstein's survivors, Virginia Roberts, accused
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Dershowitz of sexual assault in public court filings, notes the
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counterclaim section from Radical Media LLC and Leroy and Morton
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Productions LLC and the other defendants, now plaintiffs. Yeah, look,
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it's all public record, right? The stuff that's being discussed here,
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the stuff that's being discussed in the documentaries, that's all
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stuff of record. That's why it cracks me up when
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you have guys like Dershowitz here thinking that they're going
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to be able to file lawsuits. This is all public knowledge.
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This is all stuff that's been out there. It's just
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curated now and put into order and made digestible. And again...
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He can't stand it because previously to this, the media
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wouldn't do it, right? The media scared shitless of guys
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like Alan Dershowitz. They never want to take him on.
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Look at what Graydon Carter did with Jeffrey Epps. Filthy
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Rich was never intended to and did not, in fact,
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focus on Dershowitz or provide a platform for a one-sided
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exoneration of him, they add. But the series did report
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on the ongoing litigation between Dershowitz and Roberts and repeating
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claims frequently made by both parties in public court filings
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over the course of the last seven years. The gang
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of producers and the streamer note of the four-parter. And
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that's a fact. And I think that's a solid defense
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that they're using. It's a winning defense, in my opinion.
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When you can argue that fact, that it's all of
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public note, public knowledge, and we were just putting it
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together in a documentary, then it's kind of hard for
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any judge to rule against that, right? And again... What
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this comes down to, I'm convinced of it, is simply
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Dershowitz trying to flex. Dershowitz trying to be tough guy,
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trying to dominate the conversation. And for so long they
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were able to get away with that, that it's just
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his MO, his go-to shtick. But I think he's found
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himself in the thornbush this time. And I think it's
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going to come back to really slap him. Accordingly. The
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series reporting on Dershowitz is absolutely privileged under New York
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civil rights law 74. A fact that Dershowitz, a self-professed
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expert on first amendment freedoms, knew long before filing his lawsuit.
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And again, that's the thing with Dershowitz that always has
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made me mental too. This guy's, oh, I'm for freedom
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of speech. Everyone should be able to have freedom of speech.
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And I agree with that, right? Everyone should be able
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to say whatever the hell they want. I mean, come on,
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let's be, let's be real. The more wild and crackpot
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somebody is, it's better to have that in the public
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sphere so we can shout it down so it doesn't
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go hide in corners and manifest into something even more dangerous.
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But Dershowitz, he doesn't really believe in freedom of speech.
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He believes in freedom of speech when it's, you know,
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beneficial to him. Me, I'm for freedom of speech no
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matter what. And Dirty Dersh has been in a position
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for how long? And what has he really done to
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change the system? What has he done to help people
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who have been wrongfully convicted? Not much. The counterclaims make
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sure to mention that the cable news friendly Dershowitz was
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threatening legal action almost from the start of his participation
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in Filthy Rich, even after he signed a fairly comprehensive release.
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You know, it's funny, and they even say it in
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this article, the cable-friendly news Dershowitz. And what they mean
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by that is the legacy news, the legacy media. He's
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friendly to them because they're all parasites working together in
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a symbiotic relationship to screw the rest of us out
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of knowing what the hell is going on. And then
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they cry, oh, it's a sob story that there's a
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space for ridiculousness like Q to pop up. Well, you've
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been lying to people for so long, what do you
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expect is going to happen, legacy media jerk-offs? Nevertheless, Dershowitz
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tried to manipulate his interaction with the filthy rich filmmakers
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so that he could control how they reported on his
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litigation with Roberts, the counterclaim explains of the docuseries, which
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launched on May 27, 2020. Even before Filthy Rich was released,
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Dershowitz made clear that he would sue over his betrayal
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in the series unless his story was told in the
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exact manner he wanted. And when he realized that Filthy
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Rich would not be used as a vehicle to tell
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only his side of the story, he brought this current
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lawsuit seeking to suppress the Leroy defendants' speech on matters
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of public concern. And again, that's exactly what it was. Look,
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we're not stupid. Nobody's stupid here. Especially you folks following
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this case. You're certainly not stupid. You know the deal.
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This is all about bullying. All about not wanting the
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story to get out there to the mass public. Or,
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as Netflix themselves put it in their filing today, Filthy
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Rich accurately reported on the ongoing Roberts litigation and Roberts'
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other public court filings. As part of this reporting, the
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series showed interviews with both Dershowitz and Roberts, referred to
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the litigation between them, showed images of filings from the litigation,
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and enumerated the positions of both Roberts and Dershowitz. Yup.
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It's going to get very messy. And I don't doubt that.
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Because I don't think Netflix is going to back down here.
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I think Netflix feels like they're in the right. I
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agree with them. This is of all public matter. This
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is You know, nobody's delving into your life here, Mr. Volleyballer.
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You're the one who hung out with Jeffrey Epstein. You're
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the one who broke bread with Jeffrey Epstein. I don't
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even blame you for being his lawyer. You have enough
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sins besides that hanging out with him that we can
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leave that one out. Because at the end of the day,
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everybody deserves to be defended in a court of law.
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That's the American system. Even the scummiest amongst us, okay?
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So I don't fault him for the law thing. My
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problem is your personal behavior. My problem is what Virginia
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alleges occurred. And my friend, Dirty Dersh, so far, the
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stuff that Virginia has talked about, the facts that she
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has brought to the table, have been pretty damn convincing.
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And on the flip side of that, what people like
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Dershowitz and Prince Andrew and their couple of supporters have
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brought to the table has been un-gotts. It's been garbage.
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It's been nothing. So as we move forward with this
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Netflix case, you better believe I'm excited to see what
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comes in Discovery. And I'm really interested to see just
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how poisonous this could become between the two. Because Netflix,
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it doesn't look like they're going to back down. And
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you know the naked volleyballer is going to have to
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have his fat yap running. So we'll see where it goes.
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But once again, another layer in the many-layered story of
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Jeffrey Epstein and the survivor's search for justice. If you'd
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like to contact me, you can do that at bobbycapucci
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at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at protonmail.com. You can also find
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me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. All of the
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links that go with this episode can be found in
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the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to
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the Epstein Chronicles. Last evening... I was offered an invitation
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to appear on NewsNation on Friday on the Leland Vittert Show. Well,
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I accepted their invitation, and as I'm going through the
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news today, wouldn't you know, there's an article about Alan
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Dershowitz and his appearance on the same show. So I
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figured we'd dive into this article and see what Alan
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Dershowitz has to say about this list of associates being released.
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And as far as my appearance goes on the program,
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It looks like his show kicks off at 7 p.m.
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Eastern Standard Time on News Nation, but I don't really
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watch cable news, so I'm not too familiar with him
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or his show. But I do know this, if they're
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getting Alan Dershowitz's perspective, they certainly need to have a
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different perspective as well. And me and my big mouth
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and my beard, we're happy to provide that perspective. The
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question is, are they ready for that smoke? Today's article
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was published by Mediaite and the headline, Alan Dershowitz insists
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associates on Jeffrey Epstein's list shouldn't be blamed. None of
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us knew about his private life. And this is always
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the excuse, right? We had no idea what was going on.
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The smartest man in the world. the room, but I
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had no idea what Jeffrey Epstein was up to. Which
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is an outright lie. Dude was his lawyer. He knew
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exactly what Epstein was up to. And it was Dershowitz, remember,
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with Ken Starr and Lefkowitz and the rest of them
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that built that NPA. So what about those 30 girls?
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What about those countless girls? Down in Palm Beach, you
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were abused. Should we just shrug our shoulders and be like,
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you know what, Dershowitz, good job, man. You're a hell
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of a guy. Sorry, I'm not going to say that. Now, look,
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I get it. It's his job. His job is to
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get Jeffrey Epstein off. So my real anger, the real
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rage that I have is with the prosecutors. They didn't
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do their job. Dershowitz, I know people don't want to
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hear this. The guy did his job. It's like a
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gut punch to have to say it, but it's the truth.
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And as you all know, I call the balls and
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strikes for what they are here. I don't have any faves,
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like Nancy Pelosi's daughter. In fact, I think the whole
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entire system's rotten from top to bottom. So you're never
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going to hear me out here carrying water for any
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of these politicians, no matter what letters in front of
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their name. None of them are making my life better.
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In fact, it's the opposite. And while I think that
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Dershowitz and Epstein's whole entire legal team were back channeling
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the whole time with the Department of Justice, with Mukasey.
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At the end of the day, it was up to
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the DOJ to put Jeffrey Epstein behind bars. It was
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up to Alan Dershowitz to try and defend him. Today's
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article was authored by Charlie Nash. Former Harvard Law School
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professor Alan Dershowitz defended the former associates of deceased serial
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sex offender Jeffrey Epstein on Tuesday and claimed none of
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us knew about his private life that he kept so secret.
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Which is just... I mean, look, you can't really say
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he's lying. How do you prove it? But we all know.
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We all know that these people, the smartest men in
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the room, they all knew what was going on. You
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show up at old boy's house and there's all these
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girls running around scantily clad, young, hot. Then you take
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a look at egg dick Epstein... what you think, old
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boys Casanova? He's running around here getting all kinds of
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girls just on merit because he's a good looking cat,
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because he has big biceps. Maybe it's just my cynical nature,
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but if I walk into somebody's house and there's all
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this weird shit as far as decor and then all
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these young girls running around that look like they could
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be in their teens, you better believe I'm going to
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have some questions and you better have some good answers
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because if not, we're probably going to have a big problem.
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And as far as nobody knowing what was going on,
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I just don't believe it. I'm sorry. I don't believe it.
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You talk to people from back around that time. Listen
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to Maria Farmer. Listen to some of the people that
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were there early on. And they tell you everything you
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need to know about this scumbag and about all the
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dirt bags that were going to his house. On the
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impending release of a list of Epstein associates, Dershowitz told
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News Nation's anchor Leland Vittert, You could judge them for
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having shown bad judgment, but you can't conclude that any
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accusations against them are true without hearing the evidence. That's
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why we're going through the court documents. Unlike all these
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other people that populate the Epstein space, we bring receipts.
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I don't just show up talking shit. Well, not about
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this topic. We're talking about football, maybe. Talking about, you know,
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something that's not serious. All I do is talk shit. Here,
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this is deathly serious. And if you think we're showing
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up here with salaciousness and a bunch of bullshit that
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I can't prove or that there's no documents pointing to,
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you're in the wrong place. That's not happening here. That's
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never happened here. Everything we do... is done with receipts.
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And furthermore, it's real sly of Alan Dershowitz to say that,
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because he knows that none of this is ever going
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to be challenged in a courtroom. He knows that the
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government has no desire to make this a RICO case,
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and if they did, how much do you want to
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bet that Dershowitz and all of these other folks would
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be singing a different tune? Because remember, if there's any
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sort of financial malfeasance, and Epstein's in business with you,
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and you receive $ 1 in ill-gotten gains, you're now part
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of the conspiracy, and all of your money can be
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frozen as well. And if you were wondering why they
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didn't use Rico here, well, do I have to paint
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the picture for you any more than I already have?
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The reason I wanted everything put out, and I don't
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think the judge put everything out, I think she was
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selective in what she put out, and that's unfair. I
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want everything out. Every document, every piece of paper, have
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truths or lies, and I wanted them out for personal
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reasons because I know that they would prove what I've
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said from day one, that I did nothing wrong. And
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the woman who accused me later admitted that she may
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have misidentified me. Notice the word may, right? Confused me
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with someone else. so I wanted everything out right from
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the beginning because I have nothing to hide. Well, yeah,
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a guy sitting around in Jeffrey Epstein's living room in
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his underpants getting a massage usually has nothing to hide, right? Right?
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There are some people who may be ashamed of the
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fact that they hung out with Epstein, but remember, a
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lot of people hung out with Epstein before he was convicted. Like,
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that makes it okay. Breaking news, Alan Dershowitz, that just
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makes all of you disgusting. You, all your buddies, everybody
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in high society New York, all of you, every last
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one of you, okay? You're all gross. Presidents of Harvard, deans,
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Nobel quality scientists, he was very well thought of in
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the beginning. Oh, well, because all of those people who
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hung out with him, they're all just sterling examples of
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good folks, right? Breaking news, if you're palling around with
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Jeffrey Epstein, you're not a good person. And let's not
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forget that some of those scientists, some of those Politicians
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are also credibly accused of assault. But, you know, fellow
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travelers and all. None of us knew about his private
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life that he kept so secret, claimed Dershowitz, who was
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credited with getting Epstein a sweetheart deal in 2008 for
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child prostitution charges. And you know how he got that, right?
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He used his relationships behind the scenes. That's how this
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always works. They reached out to Mukasey. Mukasey was the
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one who facilitated all of this. So all that shit
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you heard about Alex Acosta? Eh, kinda true. He was
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the middle manager. It's like when you go to Taco
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Bell and complain that your tacos are bad? Well, the
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middle manager, the guy on site, is who you're dealing with.
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But is he the guy that's making the decisions for
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the whole-ass corporation? No, he is not. Just like Alex
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Acosta was not the man making the decisions for the U.S. government.
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I can't believe that I even have to explain this
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to people. Asked about those on Epstein's list who have
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fought to keep their identity under wraps, Dershowitz said, I
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can understand why people would not want family members, wives,
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you know, any association with Jeffrey Epstein is very, very negative.
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Anybody who knew Epstein, whether you knew him before or after,
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people say, oh my god, you knew Epstein? You must
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have done something wrong. That doesn't necessarily follow. There are
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some people who may have done something wrong, but nobody
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should be believed. And here is where the spin comes in. Well,
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not everybody took part in the abuse. So how could
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you say that? And he's right. I've said it from
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the beginning. There's no allegations of Bill Clinton abusing anybody
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on the island. There's no real allegations of the nonsense
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you hear about people like Oprah or Tom Hanks. There's
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no truth to any of that that I've seen. But
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at the same time, to act like people who were
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hanging out with him, enabling him, had no role in
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what was going on, is, well, lying to people. That's
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what it is. And if you can't be honest about
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the whole entire scenario, how can I take you for
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someone who's honest about any of it? And that's the
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problem with this narrative here. The people that were assisting Epstein,
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as far as enabling his behavior, as far as rebuilding
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the facade after his first arrest. All of those people
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were culpable. They might not have taken part in the abuse,
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but they certainly helped the abuse keep going. They propagated it.
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And it's not even a question. It's not a doubt.
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And it's not a debate. Dershowitz then abruptly launched into
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a rant against feminism and the MeToo movement. I think,
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you know, of the MeToo movement now, MeToo basically says
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believe anybody except if they're a Jew and an Israeli,
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he claimed. The stories about the rapes that have been
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documented in Israel, the MeToo movement, no, no, no, we're
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not interested in that. Feminists, we're not interested in that.
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If it was a Jew who was raped, forget about it.
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Nice try, Dershy Dersh, but nobody showed up for the
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survivors either. There was no big Me Too movement. Nobody
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showed up in their little pink hats. These ladies were
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left on their own. So, stuff that shit. There's a
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lot of picking and choosing by radical feminists about who
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they're going to believe. It's shocking that so many feminists
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have refused to condemn Hamas for raping and cutting off
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the breasts. I mean, you know, all of this makes
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Jeffrey Epstein, by comparison, my god. There is so much
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hypocrisy on the hard left among feminists, and maybe this
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will help expose that as well. On Tuesday, during a
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report on Epstein's associates, Hannity launched into a defense of Dershowitz,
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who he predicted might be on the list. Dershowitz appeared
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several times on Epstein's flight logs between 1998 and 2005
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and admitted in 2015 receiving a massage at Epstein's house. Mister,
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I kept my underpants on Dershey. Now look, I have
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no idea what happened besides that. And I've always told
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you folks that whatever the survivors have told us, that's
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what I've rolled with. Other people might want to make
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shit up like they were there when it happened, but
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I wasn't there. All I can do is go by
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what we have heard from the survivors and in the
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court documents. And if that's not salacious enough for you,
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maybe telenovelas are more your speed. Dershowitz also accused by
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Virginia Roberts of being a participant in sex trafficking before
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Roberts walked back on the allegations and publicly declared she
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may have mistaken Dershowitz for someone else. So very interesting
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clip of Mr. Dershowitz here. And look, at the end
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of the day, Virginia and him came to an agreement.
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So I'm not going to beat that dead horse. We
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have other fish to fry, as they say. But anytime Mr.
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Dershowitz has a comment, and it's a comment like this,
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talking about associates and the rest of it, well, you
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know it's a bit self-serving, right? He knows he's an associate,
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so why not come out and do some damage control?
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Not a bad strategy, but a strategy that is relatively transparent.
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All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one. Obviously,
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a lot more on the way. And all of the
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information that goes with this episode can be found in
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the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to
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the Epstein Chronicles. Recently, we found out that Virginia Roberts
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and Alan Dershowitz had decided to mutually end their lawsuits
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against each other. And there were a lot of questions
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as to why that would occur, and especially considering a
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Virginia statement. Virginia stated that she could have misremembered or
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misidentified Alan Dershowitz. Now, I said in that first episode
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that the wording is important. I could have, I may have,
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there was no definitive statements. And I also said in
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that episode that my guess was that it was because
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she has been litigating this for so long that she
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and her family had just had enough. And now we're
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hearing from Virginia Roberts directly, who spoke with the Daily Beast,
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and who is saying pretty much that. So let's get
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to this article real quick, and let's see what Kate Bricklett,
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over at the Daily Beast, has for us. Headline? Epstein survivor.
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Dershowitz isn't exonerated, no matter what he says. This article
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was authored by Kate Bricklett. Last week, Virginia Roberts, a
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survivor of Jeffrey Epstein, settled her defamation suit against the financier, pedophiles,
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one-time friend and lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, whom she'd long accused
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of sexual assault. As part of the deal, Dershowitz dropped
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his countersuit against her and his countersuit against lawyer David Boies,
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who had separately sued Dershowitz for defamation. Moments after the
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ink was dry, the media published statements from the parties.
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In her remarks, Roberts said she long believed that Epstein
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trafficked her to Dershowitz, but she may, may, have made
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a mistake in identifying the Harvard professor as one of
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her abusers. Dershowitz wasted no time in taking a victory lap,
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appearing on Newsmax' Greg Kelly Reports and Fox 5's Good
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Day New York, and writing an op-ed in the New
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York Post under the headline, Exonerated, Why I Fought to
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Clear My Name in Jeffrey Epstein Allegation. And if you notice,
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I didn't read that, right? I don't really buy the whole, oh,
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I'm exonerated deal here, okay? What I do believe is
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that this was just too much, and the litigation had
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become too much. And at some point, your back can
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only carry so much of a burden. When should Virginia
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get some normalcy in her life? And when should she
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stop having to carry the burden? You know, it's a
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legitimate question. And it's easy for people to criticize if
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they're not the ones carrying that burden. But I can't imagine...
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All these years of litigation and people suing me and
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me suing them and all the other lawsuits that are
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going on. And remember, this wasn't going to see Alan
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Dershowitz go to prison or anything like that. This was
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a defamation suit. People disapproved of me being Jeffrey Epstein's
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lawyer and Donald Trump's lawyer. So a decision was made
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by people to frame me, Dershowitz told Kelly. And they
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used a young woman. And the young woman now acknowledges
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that she may have made a mistake. To frame you? Bro,
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were you or were you not at Jeffrey Epstein's house?
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Did you or did you not get that massage? You
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already said you did get the massage. Now, of course,
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you say you had your underpants on and nothing... ill
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and untowards happened, so fine, that's what you say. But
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to act like you're a million miles away from all
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of this is just absurd. Now, that might work with
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people who don't follow the case or who might not
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be hip to what's going on here, but anyone who's
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been following this case for even a minute understands that
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even if, even if, all of the stuff that Virginia
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said about you was wrong and she misidentified you, How
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do you explain being part of that disgusting sweetheart deal
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that Jeffrey Epstein got? How do you explain that? And
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I don't even want to hear about the Trump stuff.
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That's just easy, you know, low-hanging fruit for him to
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throw out there to try and bolster his case. But
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there's legitimate questions surrounding other aspects of your relationship with
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Jeffrey Epstein. There's no doubt about that. My name has
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now been cleared, and I can go back to defending
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people and being controversial for good reasons, added Dershowitz, who
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for years has publicly denied Roberts' claims and even accused
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her and her lawyers of perjury. Dershowitz walked back that
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accusation in his settlement statement in which he said he
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has come to believe that at the time she accused me,
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she believed what she said. So you see Dershowitz here
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taking his little victory lap and talking about how he's
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been exonerated, forgets the part about his concessions. And that's
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why I didn't even bother reading that op-ed that he wrote. Ridiculousness.
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Save the propaganda, homie. But in an exclusive statement to
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the Daily Beast, Roberts challenges Dershowitz's suggestions that he's been
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exonerated of her sexual abuse allegations. And here's where the
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rubber meets the road, right? Up until this point and
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this statement, we only had the statement to the court
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to go on about what Virginia was thinking or why
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she decided to go ahead and drop this lawsuit and
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have Alan Dershowitz in turn drop his. And now she's
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providing a little bit of context and a little bit
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of insight into that. I was shocked to read that
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Alan Dershowitz is claiming that our mutual dismissal of our
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lawsuits against each other somehow exonerated him, Robert said. The
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litigation was very stressful and damaging to my family and
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to my health. That's what I said in that first episode.
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And again, look, I don't have no direct line to Virginia.
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You know, we don't speak, you know, in DMs or
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anything like that. But it just made sense to me
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considering how rough it is in the best of times
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when you're litigating something. I've seen friends of mine and
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family members of mine in a little different of a circumstance, obviously,
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with it being criminal. But it really takes a toll
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on you. You lose weight, all of that stuff. And
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if you have health issues, it certainly can accelerate those
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health issues. So like I thought in the beginning, that
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seems to be the likeliest reason for this. Now, what
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do you have to gain, right? What's the actual gain
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at the end of the lawsuit with Dershowitz besides slamming
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the football and spiking it home and saying, look, you
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did this to me. Now, I'm sure that would be sweet,
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but you have to, you know, weigh the risk versus
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the reward. and the risk being here, more damage to
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the family, more damage to her health, and just more
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litigation that she feels like she doesn't need, at least
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according to this statement. We have endured years in which Mr.
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Dershowitz asserted my charges against him were a lie, made
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up out of whole cloth, perjury, and part of a
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purported extortion plot. He has now admitted that there was
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no perjury, no extortion plot, and that rather than making
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up what I said, I honestly believe charges I made
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against him. And she is not wrong about any of that.
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You know, Dershowitz isn't going to talk about his concessions.
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He's going to try and frame it as a gigantic
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victory for him. And the detractors and naysayers, they'll do
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the same thing. Whether or not Mr. Dershowitz's admissions undermine
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his previous denials of the charges made against him is
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for others to say. The settlement agreement limits what I
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can say, and I will abide by it unless and
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until I am released from it. However, those admissions are
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not consistent with exoneration, and I'm glad that she came
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out and set the record straight, because a lot of
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times if you just keep your silence, you let narratives
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build and people run with those narratives. So a lot
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of times it's good to nip it in the bud
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and put your side out. And then you can be
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done with it, right? If I was Virginia, I wouldn't
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address it again. I said my piece. This is what's
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going on. I don't owe anybody anything else. I need
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to focus on my health and my family. That's what
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I would say. So there you have it in her
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own words. And really, that's what the most important thing
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here is, right? What did she have to say? So
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there you have it in her own words. And really,
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that's what the most important thing here is, right? What
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did she have to say? Reached by phone on Monday
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and asked about Roberts' new comments that her statement fails
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to exonerate him, Dershowitz would only repeat his prior claims
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that Roberts' accusations of abuse were untrue. I challenge her
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to repeat her allegation, Dershowitz told the Daily Beast. It's
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a total, complete, categorical lie. I never met her and
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I proved it conclusively. Ask her to release all the
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evidence that came out in discovery and you will see
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a total and complete exoneration, Dershowitz went on to say.
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I have waived every single right of privacy. I have
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waived every right of privacy to every tape recording, every
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video recording, every photograph. I ask her to do the same.
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A 39-year-old mother of three, Roberts first accused Dershowitz of
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sexual abuse in December of 2014 affidavit filed in a
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federal lawsuit from two other survivors who sued the government
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over Epstein's lenient non-prosecution agreement in Florida. In the court filing,
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Roberts alleged that Epstein and his ex-girlfriend, co-conspirator, general all-around scuzzbag,
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fellow child abuser, and bipedal serpent, accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell, forced
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her to become their teenage sex slave and sent her
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to powerful men to be sexually abused, including Dershowitz, French
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modeling agent Jean-Luc Brunel, who killed himself in a Paris
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jail while awaiting trial for rape, and Britain's Prince Andrew,
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who settled a lawsuit with Roberts earlier this year for
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millions of dollars. Now, I will say this for Dershowitz.
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At least he went through the steps here and took
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it through the court and came to this agreement. Now,
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do I think that's a good idea for him? You know, look,
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I wasn't in there. I don't know all of the evidence.
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But for him to run around and act like he's
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been exonerated, that is quite the stretch. Roberts' lawsuit against
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Dershowitz was filed in April of 2019, months before Epstein's
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arrest for trafficking minors in New York, and stems from
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his comments about her in the wake of the Miami
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Herald's investigative series on Epstein's plea deal. Later that year, Boyce,
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one of Roberts' lawyers, who had represented her in other matters,
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filed a defamation suit against Dershowitz for accusing his firm
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of extortion and suborning perjury in connection to Roberts' claims.
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For his part, Dershowitz filed a countersuit against Boies for
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defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress. So you had
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two of the most powerful lawyers in the country dueling
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it out over these claims of misconduct, basically, back and forth.
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Before last week's settlement, Boyes had been conducting an ongoing
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deposition of Dershowitz, who testified that his relationship with Epstein
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changed completely after Epstein's 2008 jail stint for soliciting minors.
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After he served his time, my relationship with him changed completely.
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It was no longer academic or social, but I did
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meet with him on a number of occasions, largely around
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the legal issues that were still remaining. And that's the
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likely excuse, right? And it's one that will give him
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tenable ground to stand upon, unfortunately. As a lawyer, he
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can say I was meeting with him for his legal issues,
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even if they weren't. Dershowitz testified according to a transcript
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reviewed by the Daily Beast. As the New York Times reported,
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Dershowitz abruptly stopped the questioning in late September because of
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concerns about his health. I mean, come on. And then
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all of a sudden they have the settlement here. So look,
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when you have a settlement, it's not just take, there's
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give and take. And there was never any exoneration for
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Alan Dershowitz in the comments that we have read anyway.
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Dershowitz testified that he also had discussions with Epstein about
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the Middle East after his Florida conviction. He was friendly
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with a number of prominent Israelis, and so we had
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conversations about the Middle East and the matters, legal matters. Oh,
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I'm sure he was. We know he was great friends
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with Ehud Barak, and I'm sure there's a slew of
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a bunch of other people that he was working with.
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He funded that company, Carbine. Of his relationship with Epstein,
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Dershowitz added that, knowing that he was guilty of these crimes,
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that he had pleaded guilty of these crimes, my relationship
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with him was completely different than it was before I
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learned about the accusations. Emails cited in the deposition transcripts, however,
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seem to paint a picture of a particularly chummy relationship
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between Epstein and Dershowitz, even after the creepy money manager, pedophile, incarceration.
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Of course, they were still palling around. Come on, common
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sense says anyway. Now, Dershowitz, again, he'll use the excuse. Look,
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I was a lawyer. I was just doing my job.
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He had legal issues and I had to deal with them.
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That's what he'll say. In November 2012, the deposition testimony
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reveals Epstein wrote Dershowitz, I love that I get a
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Christmas card and present from former assistant U.S. attorney Matt Menchel,
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the guy that put me in jail. Dershowitz replied, appropriate.
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Christmas celebrates the birth of another innocent Jewish guy who
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was crucified. So we're going to compare Jeffrey Epstein to
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Jesus Christ. Is that what you're telling me here, Mr. Dershowitz?
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And Matt Menchel sending this dude Christmas presents and shit? Bro, yeah,
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the prosecution wasn't in on it. The prosecution didn't work
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with Epstein's lawyers to make sure he gets this sweetheart deal.
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Give me a fucking break already. Obviously, my answer was hyperbole,
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and it was paraphrasing Epstein's own stated views that he
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himself received in an inappropriately harsh sentence. Dershowitz, you said
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the same thing. Dershowitz testified when asked about the message.
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He added that it bears not at all on the
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nature of the relationship between Epstein and myself during this
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period of time. And look, let's not get, you know,
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ahead of ourselves. This is a silver-tongued man. This is
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a man who knows how to deal with the deposition.
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has been involved in many, many depositions throughout his life,
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and somebody who knows how to navigate these questions. In
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May 2013, Epstein wrote to Dershowitz, Where are you this summer?
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Dershowitz replied that he'd be on Martha's Vineyard before adding,
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Where are you? I called you a couple of times
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when I was in NYC. Miss you? Yeah, that's the
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relationship of a client and a lawyer. A lot of
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these lawyers who do their job and defend scumbags, they
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don't want anything to do with the scumbags afterwards. They
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go on and live their life. Look, this is my
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job and I respect those lawyers. You can be a
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lawyer and defend scumbag people and still be an honorable person.
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You have a job to do. I've said this a
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million times. It doesn't matter how much of a degenerate
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piece of garbage you are. In this country, everybody's entitled
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to legal defense. And if you can afford top-notch legal defense, hey, great.
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but that doesn't mean the lawyer has to be your
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buddy afterwards. Dershowitz was also questioned about a 2014 email
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with a friend, Tom Ash, who wanted to visit Epstein's
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New Mexico land with his son to collect petroglyphs. Jeffrey
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Epstein said, of course. Dershowitz emailed a friend reads, to
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which the pal responds, how do we do it? Do
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we just show up there or do we need to
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call someone? Don't know. Try calling if you can't reach anyone.
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I will call J.E., So is this what you do
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with an acquaintance or a friend? Let me ask you,
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put yourself in these shoes. Would you just be calling
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up an acquaintance and saying to him, hey, can my
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friends come on your land and look for petroglyphs? Or
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would that be a friend and then that a request
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you would make from a friend? I know I wouldn't
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just ask some random or acquaintance that. Thanks, maybe a
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young girl will answer, the friend wrote. When asked about
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that email, Dershowitz testified, it's a joke. He later clarified, so, obviously,
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Ash was trying to make a bad joke. And it
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was a silly joke. He shouldn't have said it. But
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he said it. He doesn't mean it seriously. Oh, no,
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not at all. It's just a big joke. Everything's a
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big joke. So garbage, man. In Roberts' exclusive statements to
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the Daily Beast, she also refers to the litigation between
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Boyz and Dershowitz, who released their own statements as part
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of the settlement. Both Roberts and Boyes' lawsuits, court records show,
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were settled without costs or monetary award. I also note
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that my statement needs to be considered in the context
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of the statement issued by Mr. Dershowitz and David Boyes.
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Roberts continued in her statement, Mr. Boyes sued Mr. Dershowitz
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for charging Mr. Boyes with subverting, perjury, and extortion. Mr.
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Dershowitz flatly retracted those charges and Mr. Boyes dismissed his lawsuit. Mr.
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Dershowitz sued Mr. Boyce for charging Mr. Dershowitz with participating
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in Epstein's sex trafficking and other misconduct, Roberts continued. Mr.
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Boyce did not retract any of those charges, but Mr.
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Dershowitz nevertheless dismissed his claims against Mr. Boyce. That too
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hardly seems like exoneration. And look, she's not wrong about that.
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I didn't even really pick up on that during the
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initial release, to be honest with you, but she's right.
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I have long believed Mr. Dershowitz participated in my sex trafficking.
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I have not and would not retract what I have said. However,
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under all the circumstances, I was prepared to acknowledge the
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possibility that I may have made a mistake in identifying Mr.
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Dershowitz as part of a resolution of all pending litigation.
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And right there is it signals to me the reasoning
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behind it, right? Virginia just didn't want to deal with
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it anymore, folks. That's what it looks like. And honestly,
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who can blame her? I was and am prepared to
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leave to the judgment of the public and of history
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whether to accept that my belief, which Mr. Dershowitz acknowledges
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was honest, or to accept Mr. Dershowitz's assertion that I
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was mistaken, Roberts concluded. For over a decade, Roberts was
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among Epstein's most high-profile survivors, one who gave international media
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interviews about surviving Epstein's sex ring and about her accusations
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against Prince Andrew, and created a non-profit for sex trafficking
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victims called Speak Out, Act, Reclaim, or SOAR. Her civil
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litigation against Maxwell, settled before trial, excavated much of what
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the public knows about Epstein's trafficking scheme and and the
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bipedal's role in his world. So it was Virginia who
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blew the doors off of all of this, really, and
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her depositions and all of the case files that we've seen. However, remember,
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there are countless other women out there who never came
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forward who were abused by these people. And while Roberts
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wasn't called as a witness at Maxwell's criminal trial, her
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name permeated the testimony. Manhattan federal judge Allison Nathan, at
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Maxwell's sentencing in June, ruled that Roberts was a victim
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in the conspiracy and allowed her lawyer to read aloud
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a victim impact statement from her court. Karen Batar, a
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partner at Safarth Shaw LLP, who represented boys in Dershowitz's countersuit,
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pushed back on Dershowitz's claims that Roberts' remarks have exonerated him.
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All that she said is, I may be wrong. She
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never said she was wrong. She said she believes and
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continues to believe what she says. For him to twist
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that and claim he was exonerated is incorrect, and it
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really couldn't be further from the truth, Batar said. Batar
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also said Dershowitz's media appearances likely violated the terms of
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the settlement agreement. Yo, okay, well, maybe it did. Now
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I wonder what would the penalties for something like that
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even be? The agreement was that, under these circumstances, the
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parties would be limited to the contents of the statement
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that had been mutually agreed upon. But he, Dershowitz, immediately
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went well beyond the parameters of that statement, sought out
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the press, and violated the terms and intent of the agreement.
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For one to immediately disregard what they just agreed to
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is certainly atypical, but unfortunately, based on how Dershowitz conducted
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himself in our case, not surprising. I can only imagine
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what was going on behind the scenes, right? You know Dershowitz,
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this dude's pressing and pushing and straight up acting a fool.
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Imran Anzari, a lawyer for Dershowitz, told the Daily Beast
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that his client's recent media comments are consistent with the
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contents of the agreed statement. He has, in essence, repeated
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his denial as to Ms. Roberts' allegation of sexual abuse,
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an allegation that he has consistently denied. as contained in
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the statement, while reiterating Ms. Roberts' statement that she may
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have made a mistake in identifying him, as contained in
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the statement, and that there was no payment of any
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money by anyone or anything else, as contained in the statement.
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As such, we disagree with the claim that Mr. Dershowitz
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is in violation of an agreement. And it's going to
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be this kind of thing back and forth. A lot
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of legalese, this is how Dershowitz rolls. He wants to
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make it as painful and as miserable for people as possible.
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And when you're a high profile lawyer and you can
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go through a lot of this stuff yourself and it's
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a lot easier to litigate, isn't it? It's also a
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lot less cost restrictive because you know the ins and
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outs and all the rest of the nonsense that comes
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along with being one of these high profile lawyers. But
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When this first broke and we were first talking about it,
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I figured that this was what it was. That Virginia
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Roberts had had enough and she wants to go on
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and live a normal life or the semblance of a
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normal life with her family and her loved ones. So
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there you have it, folks. Virginia's response to Alan Dershowitz
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taking a victory lap. And I figured it wouldn't be
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long before we saw this. So as new information pops up,
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like usual, we will add it to the catalog. All right, folks,
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that's going to do it for this one. If you'd
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like to contact me, you can do that at bobbycapucci
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at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at protonmail.com. You can also find
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me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that
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