Episode #93 Featuring Dr. Sonya Jensen! The HORMONE Episode! Tune in for one of the most in depth hormone discussions you will ever hear!

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All right, everybody, welcome back to the Dylan Gemelli podcast.
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So once again, thank you to my guests for flying
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in to see me. I say this often, but I
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am so blessed to have amazing guests that are willing
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to come and see me. And it's so much better
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to do in person. So she is absolutely tremendous. And
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I cannot wait to share so many things that she's doing.
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She is a naturopathic physician, an international speaker and author,
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which we're going to talk about quite a bit here.
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and an embodied healer. Now, what she does is guides
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women to reclaim their power through hormonal wisdom, emotional depth,
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and ancestral healing. But what I'm really excited about, and
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she is too, is her new book. Now, she has
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something called the HER method, which is healing the hormonal, emotional,
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and relational loop. And we're going to get into everything
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that she does, especially her new book. Her new book
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is called Heal Your Hormones, Reclaim Yourself. So Without further ado,
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welcome Dr. Sonja Jensen.
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Thank you for having me here.
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Like I said, thank you for taking the time to
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come down here and see me. I'm always super flattered
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and appreciative when people are willing to come and talk
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to me. And like I said, I'm excited because once
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I learned about you and met you and learned about
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what you do and the impact that it has, it
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resonates with me and it's going to resonate with my
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audience tremendously. So Let's get into this HER method a
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little bit here. Did you develop this yourself? Because I
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love the acronym here, the synonym. And so talk about
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me what that actually is and means and how you
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even came up with it. Yeah.
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So I've been practicing since 2009. So I have seen
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thousands of women and I really started to see that
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there was a theme. that every woman was coming in with.
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And often she would come in, talk about fatigue or
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low sex drive or irritability, anxiety, and we'd start doing
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the physical work, but we couldn't do the physical work
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without doing the emotional. And you started to see that
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those two elements were affecting her relationship with herself, relationship
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with her partner, her kids, anyone around her, her colleagues.
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So I always knew that each one of these categories
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was so connected that we had to put the pieces
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together for a woman to understand how it's impacting her
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physical health, her emotional health, and then her relational health.
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One of the things that I've really shifted my focus on,
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which aligns with you tremendously, is the mind and body connection,
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as opposed to where I was like a fitness coach
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So much fitness and nutrition focused and never took the
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time to really discuss, talk about, and honestly piece together
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how much the emotional side, whether it be stress related, emotional,
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you know, disturbances, which can be from hormonal imbalance, which
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we'll get into as well. How important is it to
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tie all of this together?
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Yeah, well, I think we see everything in life through
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the lens of our emotions, whether it's a movie that
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we're watching and it's the emotion that's, you know, giving
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us this feeling of joy or sorrow, whatever it might be,
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a conversation we're having or a trigger that we don't
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even know where it's coming from. It could be a
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look that our partner gives us and all of a
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sudden we're having these emotions show up and then we're
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reacting to that emotion. And when we're having these different
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phases of life go on, so whether that's puberty, when
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our hormones are changing, or postpartum, when a woman gives birth,
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or perimenopause, when her hormones are kind of going wild
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and she's losing hormones or gaining, it changes how she's
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perceiving life and herself. So it changes her emotional regulation.
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And if she can understand that, she doesn't have the
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same shame and guilt that might show up if she
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doesn't understand it. So if she does get irritated with
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her kids and not knowing where that irritation is coming from,
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she can pause and understand, okay, I'm in my luteal phase.
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Or I'm burnt out. I haven't been eating as well
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as I could be to feed my hormones. And that's
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where that reaction is coming from. There's nothing wrong with me.
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My biology has changed. My physiology is changing. And my
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body is just signaling to me that something needs some
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sort of comfort. Or we need to slow down. Or
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we need some healing in different areas.
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So here's what I'd like to do. Because I haven't
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done this yet with anybody that I've talked to. I
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would like to go through like a step-by-step type, like
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timeframe for women. And I understand this is selective. I'm
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talking about in general, because I do know that there's
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always exceptions to rule. So anybody watching, I do understand
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that if you say, well, this happened to me early,
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but I'm just a general timeline. When do women start
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to enter like that, you know, maybe start to downward
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slide into menopause a little bit?
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So the perimenopause.
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The perimenopause stage. What age do you see that coming?
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And then in general, when would a woman expect to
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kind of enter into menopause? And what can you expect
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in perimenopause and then full-blown menopause?
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Yeah, that's a great question. And like you said, it
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is very different for different women. And really in your 30s,
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you start to feel it. Usually in mid-30s to late,
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it's typically around 35. You start to notice changes. Maybe
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it's changes in your cycle or maybe it's changes in
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how you're adapting to stress, weight gain, there's going to
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be changes in libido. All of a sudden, you're just
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noticing some things off. It might be and might not
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be that apparent, like a hot flash or a night sweat,
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some of those typical things. that you hear about that
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might come up after. But you will notice asking any woman,
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once she's reached 40, there's a switch that turns off
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and another one that turns on. And she really starts
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to see herself in a very different way. So now
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her memory isn't as sharp as it used to be.
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That's something that's huge. Like the brain is starting... to change.
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Her energy isn't as it was before. Her libido isn't
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there like it was before. So she's changing in many,
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many ways over about a 10 year period usually. And menopause,
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the way it's defined, it's usually you have your last
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cycle and one year later on day like 356 is
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kind of where, or six, sorry, 66.
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Okay.
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Is usually where they say, okay, now you're in menopause.
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And after that day, you're postmenopausal. And so that transition period,
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the way I've defined it for a lot of women
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who have given birth, when you're giving birth, you're in labor,
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you're having contractions, all of a sudden you go to
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this transition phase where your whole body starts to shake
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and you feel like something's got to give, like something's
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going to explode. Like, I don't know, I can't control
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what's happening. And all of a sudden you give birth
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to this beautiful baby. And so perimenopause is like transition.
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Everything is shaky. Your hormones are going up. They're going
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down sideways. You're questioning yourself. You're questioning relationships. You're starting
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to there's this armor that your hormones give your brain
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and your body that's dissolving. So things that you weren't
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triggered by before, not all of a sudden are triggering you.
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You're recognizing things about yourself. that maybe you suppressed a
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long time ago, dreams that you had that you didn't fulfill,
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resentments that are coming up where you didn't use your voice.
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So all these things start to show up in this
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phase and then women just don't know what to do
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with that. Women will have depression more often, anxiety, divorces
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are higher during perimenopause. And it's not that it's the
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hormones to blame, but what's happening, there's just so much
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change that she's trying to understand herself again. Like you
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don't recognize who you are anymore. Do you think there's
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a lot of confusion, a lot of regret, and a
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lot of just maybe almost creation of things that aren't there?
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Or is it stuff that was there that was like
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just pushed aside and kind of like, you know when
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somebody has like a very traumatic issue that they block out?
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Is there stuff like that going on? And it doesn't
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have to necessarily be something traumatic, just things that were
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there that you blocked out that now they're coming back?
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I think it's both.
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Okay.
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I do think so. Even in my book, I talk
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about generational trauma that maybe wasn't addressed. And there's patterns
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that got passed down. There's, you know, biology changed because
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of that generational trauma. And so when you don't have
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the armor of those hormones, you're more susceptible then to
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the triggers.
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Today.
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And that trigger might be traffic. That trigger might be
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a tone that your partner is using that reminds you
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of how you felt in that moment where you didn't
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feel safe or you didn't feel heard. And so then
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it triggers the emotion today. You not knowing that it's
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from the past, but it actually is because that past
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experience drives how your brain predicts how to react. Like
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our brain is a predictor. It's not really responding to
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this moment. It's thinking back of like, okay, what happened before?
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How should I respond so that I feel safe? And
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the important thing to know about estrogen and that whole
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mix is that, you know, estrogen is declining in perimenopause,
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but estrogen equals emotional regulation. So we have many receptors
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for estrogen in different parts of our brain, especially our amygdala,
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which suppresses fear. So it helps us actually navigate fear.
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But what it also does when you go through a trauma,
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it gathers information. And so women are actually wired to
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look at cues in their environment. And estrogen is part
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of that. So you were asking that question of like,
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you know, could it be made up in that moment?
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It can be in a sense because we're reacting to
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our past, not our present.
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So one of the things that I've always talked about
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is hormones. That's one of my like main areas of,
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I guess, expertise. I hate to say that, but one
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of the areas I talk about and that I coach on.
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And so it's with women, it's a little different because
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there's just like with men, there's an estrogen to testosterone ratio,
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but then there's also the progesterone factor that goes into
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there too, which has to be looked at. And I
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guess this is a two part question. One, Do you
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struggle with women that have a misconception of testosterone, don't
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understand it, don't look at it? And two, how do
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all three of these intertwine together? What's the importance of
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the balance more so in menopause than there is in
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general with the three that I mentioned, progesterone, testosterone, and estrogen?
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Yeah, so testosterone for me is always part of the
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conversation with my patients. And I do think women are
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starting to understand that it's not just a male hormone.
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And it even goes beyond just libido. So it's for
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your motivation. It's for drive. It's an antidepressant. And so,
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you know, testosterone will come from DHEA and so will estrogen.
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And estrogen and testosterone will feed into one another depending
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on what your body needs in that moment. And so
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when you start to understand the role of testosterone, then
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you can understand what you need to do To support it.
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And for, you know, everyone, it starts to decline around
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age 25 and it's starting to do this like slow decline.
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And it often isn't until we start to feel like
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the saggy underarms, you know, we're trying to do all
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the triceps work and everything and it's not working. And
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then when we know what's going on here, like, well,
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that's your testosterone. So it's sarcopenia. We're not getting that
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lean muscle mass because of that decline. And so many
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things will impact testosterone, including your blood sugar. So there's
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that stress. Cortisol will influence it. So there's such a
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dance that happens and a choreography between all of these
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hormones that we have to understand. It's very nuanced, especially
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for women. So in postmenopause, your estrogen's low, your testosterone's low,
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now your progesterone's low.
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Mm-hmm.
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If you've gone through life in a state of stress,
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in a state of burnout, your brain and your body
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are in a pattern of high stress or high cortisol often.
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That cortisol comes from progesterone, which is the hormone that
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helps you feel calm. So now you're moving into this phase,
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feeling more anxious, low testosterone, feeling more depressed, low estrogen,
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not having emotional regulation. So you're kind of moving in
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with this vulnerability around emotional regulation. And so I think
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it's important to understand that you need to nurture all
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three of them to have more of that balanced state
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when you're postmenopausal.
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When do you recommend for your people to start looking
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at blood panels? So your followers and people that are
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younger especially. Because I'm like a very proactive person and
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I have people running things quite early because there are
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things that you can find early that you may not
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know that were like inherited genes. LP little a cholesterol,
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for example, things that could really kill you early. You know,
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when do you start recommending for people to look at
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certain key markers to see, man, there might be a
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little decline here.
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So it really depends on the woman that's in front
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of me. But even women that I see in their 20s,
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I start looking at their SHBG. And it depends on
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what's going on. Are they on birth control pill? Do
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they have the Mirena, like IUD? What their story is
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will then identify what we need to test. But I
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start them very young so that they can understand their
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patterns with their hormones. So we have these patterns before
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so we can compare them. when she's going through perimenopause
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or when she's talking about fertility. We already have kind
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of a knowing of where her body's at. You know,
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so many women are dealing with PCOS today. So it's
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really important to look at testosterone, SHBG, their insulin levels.
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So there's all those things we want to be managing
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before she starts thinking about having children.
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Let's talk about SHBG. So for people listening, it's sex
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hormone binding globulin. Now for men, when the SHBG is high,
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it's bounding up testosterone. And then that's part of the
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reason for low testosterone. So when I'm analyzing panels and
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people are coming to me, oh, testosterone, what? That's the
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first thing I look for. If that's high, we try
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to get that down, free up some and then release it,
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get it higher. For women, what exactly is its purpose
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or significance and how it plays a role in balance?
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And if you're on birth control, your SHBG will be
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higher because of that excess testosterone and estrogen. If you're
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on thyroid medication, it'll also be higher. And then it
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will bind up that free testosterone. If it's really low,
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you have higher testosterone, which equals PCOS. So I do
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look at that marker all the time. And especially if
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a woman is going on testosterone too, I want to
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understand what her SHBG is doing.
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And PCOS for people listening.
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Polycystic ovarian syndrome. So often there's a metabolic piece there
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where women aren't balancing their insulin and their glucose very well.
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Usually we'll have irregular cycles. low progesterone often, high levels
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of luteinizing hormone, high levels of testosterone, and them just
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not feeling themselves, high anxiety. And, you know, I come
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from an Indian background and we're actually more susceptible to
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PCOS than someone from the West because of our lineage.
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And what happened generations ago, not even that far back
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with some of the famines, that our ancestors had to
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go through, it changed how our pancreas is working. And
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so if you know that about yourself, you then know
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I have to eat a certain way for my metabolic
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health that will then translate into your hormone health.
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So let's talk about things that could potentially have a
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negative effect. Are there things that could put you into
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menopause early? Are there certain nutrition habits or drinking, smoking,
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you know, Things like that, they could do that? Or
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is it just all, this is just bad luck, you know,
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genetics or how the cards that were dealt to me?
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Yeah, well, we're given a certain amount of eggs.
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At birth.
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So that will determine when we go into menopause. But
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then the stresses we have, whether we are on birth
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control or not, how many pregnancies we've had, all of
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that will play a role into when we go into menopause.
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Early menopause can happen if a woman has like a
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partial hysterectomy or a full hysterectomy. That will make a difference.
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Stress plays a huge role. I've seen stress, increase in stress,
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increase FSH, which then kind of stops them. So follicle
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stimulating hormone increases. It'll stop their bleeds. And then what
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happens often if she's gone through early menopause and we
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start to change her nervous system, we start to work
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with her hormones, all of a sudden she starts bleeding
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five years later. So I have seen that happen. What
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I do think it's predetermined in terms of how many
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eggs you have.
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Okay. So let's talk about the birth control stuff. That's
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a different polarizing subject. And I haven't gotten into it
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a ton. I know a little bit, but I'd like
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to get into it more with you, Let's talk about
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some of the negative effects that that can have. One
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of the ones that I always get brought to me
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is the weight gain. It happens a lot of times
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with birth control. Why does that happen? What are some
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other aspects that you would say are pretty negative about
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using birth control that people need to be aware of
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that short and long term?
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Yeah. I think the thing to understand, it depends on
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the generation of birth control you're using. Most are from testosterone.
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And so one of the big things that happens for
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women is low libido, which is the opposite of what
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you want. So a lot of women will choose birth
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control because they want freedom. And what happens is all
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of a sudden they just don't feel that motivation anymore.
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No libido anymore. They're attracted to different individuals when you're
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on birth control as well. It changes your brain chemistry.
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So that's huge. I mean, that's life decisions that are
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being made when you're young and you're using birth control.
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And when we're using birth control, it's basically telling your
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brain it doesn't have to do the work anymore, that
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you've got this. And so now you're cutting the communication
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between your pituitary gland and your egg. And by doing that,
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it's creating this false rhythm that's not really yours. It's
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completely separating you from your body's rhythm and your body's knowing.
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Your cycle at the end of the month is a
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detox process. It's very telling of your overall health, like
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whether you're detoxing, whether you're eating well. All those symptoms
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that we have the week leading up is an indication
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of things that are out of balance or in balance.
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So if you're not getting that signaling, you're not really
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learning about your body. You're not understanding your own rhythm properly.
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then you can't make those lifestyle choices that are actually
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going to support you. And from what I understand with
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birth control, it is depleting when it comes to your
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B vitamins, like zinc, it'll deplete that as well. And
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it'll increase dysbiosis. So a lot of women on birth
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control can have more yeast infections or are more prone
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to yeast infections. So that's a negative piece of it.
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The positive is that, you know, the freedom that women
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get from it. And I understand from an emotional perspective,
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there's a certain time in a woman's life where she
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might make that decision if she's focusing on her career
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or if she's needing that extra insurance for herself. But
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I think it's important to understand the disconnect it creates
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so that you can do other things to still understand
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your cycle.
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Yeah. I mean, look, I operate on facts and science
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and everything, but I'm also a very spiritual guy and
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it's just not how we were created. And that's why
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I believe that you see that there's so many transient
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issues that go along with the use. I get it.
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I understand shit. When I was a kid, I wanted
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girls I was dating to use it. But the older
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I got and the more you actually understand, I mean,
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like I said, I'm not Mr. Pro or anti, but
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if you're asking a question, it's like, yeah, there's a
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lot of bad that goes along with this short and
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long term. And like when something affects your mind and
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it starts changing your decision-making patterns and that's where I
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kind of draw the line where it's a little too risky. Yeah.
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With the obvious health repercussions on it.
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Especially when you use it. You know, if a woman
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or a young woman gets her cycle around age 12,
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which now is actually late. You know, a lot of
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women are getting them like 9, 10. It takes about
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5 to 7 years for your ovulation to regulate. Okay.
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So then if you give a young woman birth control
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at like 15 or 16, her body didn't even get
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that opportunity to regulate her cycle.
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Yeah.
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So she doesn't know who she is yet. Her body
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is out of rhythm.
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And then.
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10 years later, when she wants to have children, it
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creates a lot of challenge for her to get to
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know her body and for hormones to regulate. Again, that's
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not everyone's story, but majority of what I've seen.
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I discussed anabolic steroids and did a lot of coaching
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on them for many years. And there's a serious correlation
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here with what you're saying to where I'm going. That's
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why I wanted to do this with you and get
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into the effects of it. Because when a man uses
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even TRT or just steroids, what happens is, is It
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shuts down our natural testosterone production. Body forgets how to
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do it. We think we're getting it exogenously. And then boom,
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you never produce it again. Now, recovery time is different.
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But just like you said, some people recover better than others.
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But when guys use steroids too young, just like what
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you said with women using it too young, they never
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had a chance to grow. They never had a chance
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to actually get to their genetic potential. And then boom,
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you got problems forever. And it's the same correlation with
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men and women here. It's just two different concepts of drugs,
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but it's the same type of thing. And there's a
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lot of testosterone derived.
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Yeah, well, see, it works both ways. And that's usually
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in perimenopause and menopause that women will feel those impacts
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of our choices from our 20s than what we did before.
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And so when we're having that difficulty in that transition phase,
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and same for men, andropause, when they're going through that
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process and all of a sudden losing hair or forming
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breasts that aren't supposed to be there because of the hormones.
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So I think it's so important to understand that choices
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we make today will feed our tomorrow.
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So let's talk about balance of hormones. Yeah. The importance
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of balancing hormones. And... When do you notice if somebody's
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not done all of the shit we're talking about with
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steroids and birth control and in general, but just people
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that are just every day? And once again, this is general.
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When do we start to see hormones start to become
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out of whack or out of balance? I understand that
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drug use, alcohol, stress, these things can cause it earlier.
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What's a normal science age, though, when you would start
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to see that 30s type of thing?
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30s, mid-30s. Yeah, usually about 35 is where you would
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notice it. But like you said, all those things that
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you mentioned are going to fast track those symptoms and
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those changes in your hormones. And I don't think there's
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anyone in the world that doesn't have some form of
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stress or some story that they're carrying, that they're healing.
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And so all of us are moving into these phases
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a lot earlier and with more challenge.
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I'd say, and you tell me what you think, I'd
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say that Like what you said, scientifically, the decline should
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start to occur in our 30s. But I think with
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the way that the world is and the way our
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lives are and between the stress and all the other
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stuff that everybody does when they're young and dumb, it
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throws them out of whack a lot earlier. Yeah.
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Yeah, absolutely. And so when that's happening, I think it
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creates confusion when someone's trying to eat the way that
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they did 10 years ago or they're not sleeping because,
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you know, in your 20s, you can get away with it.
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And they're wondering why they're gaining weight and, you know,
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their moods are off and everything because they're doing all
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the right things in their mind, but not realizing with age,
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with this challenge and the challenges we're carrying in our
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body will dictate how we're healing and how we recover
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in our 40s and 50s.
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Before I get further into the hormone side of things,
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let's talk about stress a little bit. How big of
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an impact does stress have on hormones, on just overall
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total health and then menopause stages?
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I think it's everything. Your nervous system fuels everything. It's
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your signal that's going to tell you if you're safe
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or not and if you're not safe. And that could mean,
478
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you know, you just, you know, running from one task
479
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to the next or like rushing through your day and
480
00:26:06.940 --> 00:26:09.059
your brain is thinking, oh, she's in danger. I need
481
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to give her cortisol. I need to give her adrenaline.
482
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Those are the hormones that are going to support her,
483
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not her estrogen, progesterone or testosterone. So if we've been
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living that way, we're stuck in a cycle, we're stuck
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in a pattern of reactivity. And so when the body's
486
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not feeling safe, it can't heal. So until we can
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recognize that, until we can calm the nervous system, work
488
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on our vagus nerve, work on our signaling and our patterns,
489
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The hormones are getting the signal mixed up. So the
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communication that they're receiving is that it's not safe. So
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they can't do their jobs as well as they should
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be able to. And that's where the symptoms are coming up.
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And so a woman that's lived that life and now
494
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:52.180
she's going into menopause, she will have the hot flashes.
495
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She will have the night sweats. She will have insomnia.
496
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Like all these things will show up amplified. her depression
497
00:26:59.339 --> 00:27:02.579
or her anxiety will be amplified even more because of
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the cycle that we've been in from before.
499
00:27:05.950 --> 00:27:08.349
How important and what kind of a role does the
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vagus nerve have on everything?
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It's everything, really. If we can master that, I think
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we can master ourselves and our hormones. There are so
503
00:27:18.450 --> 00:27:20.430
many simple things that we can do in our day.
504
00:27:20.470 --> 00:27:23.039
I think people don't realize. We think we have to
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00:27:23.099 --> 00:27:25.799
buy all the gadgets, and the gadgets are great. I
506
00:27:25.819 --> 00:27:30.700
think they can be really useful. humming, singing, breathing, praying,
507
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:34.660
like just calming the nervous system down, bringing joy into
508
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.940
your day. Those simple things can activate that nervous system
509
00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:41.400
and create a new pattern. It can tell your brain that, oh,
510
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:44.970
there's these safe moments. There's these moments where I can exhale.
511
00:27:45.009 --> 00:27:47.630
There's these moments where I can finally let go. And
512
00:27:48.269 --> 00:27:50.730
not everything has to be done right now. I can
513
00:27:50.750 --> 00:27:53.390
let go of expectations. I can let go of identities
514
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and roles that I've been carrying. I think when we
515
00:27:56.269 --> 00:27:58.940
start doing that deep work, the body follows.
516
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't have the study in front of me, but
519
00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:05.359
I had some statistics about the percentage of people with
520
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:10.569
overactive parasympathetic nervous systems that are constantly in fight or flight,
521
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:14.029
that the effect that it has and the amount of people,
522
00:28:14.470 --> 00:28:15.309
it's astounding.
523
00:28:15.450 --> 00:28:15.670
Yeah.
524
00:28:15.970 --> 00:28:18.609
It's a constant battle, I think, for people and they
525
00:28:18.650 --> 00:28:22.410
don't understand this aspect of it. And I'm so thankful
526
00:28:22.450 --> 00:28:24.869
that at this point in my journey through all of
527
00:28:24.890 --> 00:28:27.369
this that I grasp how important it is. I mean,
528
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it's literally everything.
529
00:28:29.430 --> 00:28:29.809
It is.
530
00:28:29.970 --> 00:28:32.069
What do you do to help people get out of
531
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that fight or flight mode all the time and to
532
00:28:34.069 --> 00:28:35.890
get back into more balance?
533
00:28:36.089 --> 00:28:39.490
Yeah. Well, first up is the awareness of knowing that
534
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:42.980
this isn't who I am and that this might not
535
00:28:43.019 --> 00:28:45.759
even be my story to carry. There was a study
536
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.680
that was done. It's called the CAR study looking at
537
00:28:48.740 --> 00:28:53.049
cortisol awakening responses in pregnant women. And they saw the
538
00:28:53.089 --> 00:28:56.450
women that had low cortisol in the morning due to stress.
539
00:28:56.769 --> 00:28:59.029
Because we need that cortisol peak to get us going
540
00:28:59.089 --> 00:29:02.509
for the day. They tested the infants after they were
541
00:29:02.529 --> 00:29:07.880
born about nine months post-pregnancy or postnatal. And they put
542
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.519
them in stressful situations of separating them from mom and
543
00:29:10.539 --> 00:29:14.400
kind of seeing how they would regulate due to that stress.
544
00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:18.460
Infants that were born from moms that had low CAR
545
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:23.589
scores couldn't regulate because they had adrenal insufficiency. There are
546
00:29:23.630 --> 00:29:27.109
studies that have been done on Holocaust survivors and 100%
547
00:29:27.109 --> 00:29:31.750
of their offspring had adrenal insufficiency. So you could see
548
00:29:31.829 --> 00:29:34.529
we could be born already with not being able to
549
00:29:34.549 --> 00:29:39.170
adapt to stress. Then life happens and we're moving through
550
00:29:39.190 --> 00:29:43.299
our childhood with the generation before us was basically just
551
00:29:43.339 --> 00:29:46.299
surviving and may not have had the time that maybe
552
00:29:46.339 --> 00:29:49.009
we're giving our kids today. And so we may have
553
00:29:49.069 --> 00:29:51.009
learned in order to be heard, I have to act
554
00:29:51.029 --> 00:29:54.170
a certain way or behave a certain way. And we're
555
00:29:54.779 --> 00:29:57.099
take on all these beliefs about ourselves and then have
556
00:29:57.220 --> 00:30:01.559
expectations of perfection or not speaking because I'm going to
557
00:30:01.859 --> 00:30:04.700
ruffle some feathers and create stress in the family. So
558
00:30:05.299 --> 00:30:08.480
when we tack on all this stress that we're carrying,
559
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:11.900
it changes who we are. It changes how we're perceiving
560
00:30:11.940 --> 00:30:15.140
ourselves or how we're presenting ourselves. It changes our identity,
561
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.960
which then changes our physiology to match it. And so
562
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:22.509
it takes that understanding and awareness first of like, okay,
563
00:30:22.549 --> 00:30:26.099
this isn't me. I can shift something. And so the
564
00:30:26.140 --> 00:30:29.400
next thing is discernment. Like, how do I discern this
565
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.740
voice that's in my head, this narrator that's telling my story?
566
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:36.400
Is it actually mine? Or is it culture? Is it
567
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:40.549
my parents? Is it generational? So understanding that. And then
568
00:30:40.589 --> 00:30:43.150
I give them simple tools to be able to do
569
00:30:43.190 --> 00:30:46.910
that in their everyday so that they can start to
570
00:30:46.990 --> 00:30:49.670
understand that voice. But I do think working on the
571
00:30:49.710 --> 00:30:53.009
physical body is number one. First, to clear the noise.
572
00:30:53.509 --> 00:30:55.289
then we can take that extra step to look at
573
00:30:55.309 --> 00:30:56.950
the deep work, the emotions.
574
00:30:57.529 --> 00:31:00.220
When you're a naturopathic or a health coach, you're almost
575
00:31:00.259 --> 00:31:04.000
like a psychologist. You have to be because you have
576
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:08.700
to learn and understand the story because the story is
577
00:31:08.819 --> 00:31:11.549
generally the biggest part of the problem.
578
00:31:11.589 --> 00:31:12.650
Absolutely. Yeah.
579
00:31:13.190 --> 00:31:14.710
And I think a lot of people that get into
580
00:31:14.750 --> 00:31:19.930
that don't understand the actual amount of ability that you
581
00:31:19.970 --> 00:31:23.480
have to have to be a a true good coach.
582
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.869
Because if I don't know everything about your situation, I
583
00:31:26.900 --> 00:31:29.470
can't really, I can't really get into the depths of everything.
584
00:31:29.509 --> 00:31:31.130
It's kind of like when you go to the doctor,
585
00:31:31.730 --> 00:31:33.930
the general practitioners and you see them five minutes and
586
00:31:33.950 --> 00:31:35.549
they put you on some shit and then kick you out.
587
00:31:35.569 --> 00:31:38.829
They don't ask you anything really about your sleep, your stress.
588
00:31:38.990 --> 00:31:41.049
I mean, so many things, your diet, the things that
589
00:31:41.089 --> 00:31:44.150
play the big role into it. So when you take on,
590
00:31:44.490 --> 00:31:47.269
do you take on clients? Like you saw one-on-one. So
591
00:31:48.710 --> 00:31:50.430
one of the things that I've always struggled with is
592
00:31:50.470 --> 00:31:53.420
when people, They don't understand why you can't take on
593
00:31:53.460 --> 00:31:55.539
a million people and then to why you charge what
594
00:31:55.579 --> 00:31:58.019
you do. But it's because the amount of time it
595
00:31:58.059 --> 00:32:02.400
takes to really, really, really care for one person to really,
596
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.180
truly care for them. I don't think people understand. Can
597
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.349
you talk about what you go through just to take
598
00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:09.130
care of one individual? Yeah.
599
00:32:09.769 --> 00:32:12.859
Yeah. So, you know, our first visit. So I still
600
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.039
have a physical practice with my husband. And, you know,
601
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.240
the first hour that I sit with a woman, I'm
602
00:32:18.259 --> 00:32:20.640
really just letting her tell her story because I just
603
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:22.940
want to know her. And I'm very clear about that
604
00:32:22.980 --> 00:32:25.279
with her. I'm like, I want to understand you as
605
00:32:25.339 --> 00:32:27.099
much as I can so I can support you in
606
00:32:27.140 --> 00:32:29.900
the way that you need supported. And so for me,
607
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:32.759
having a naturopathic practice, they come in with certain expectations
608
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:34.200
of like, oh, is she going to give me supplements?
609
00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:36.220
Am I going to do IVs or what am I
610
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.660
going to go home with? And so I have to
611
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.430
understand in that moment, how far can it take her
612
00:32:41.809 --> 00:32:44.529
in that first visit? Can I actually ask the questions
613
00:32:44.589 --> 00:32:46.829
I already know need to be asked? Or do I
614
00:32:47.430 --> 00:32:49.809
need to just help her with her fatigue? Look at
615
00:32:49.849 --> 00:32:52.930
her adrenals, do some testing to help her understand. So
616
00:32:53.430 --> 00:32:56.480
it takes a lot of investigative work in the beginning,
617
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.759
many hours to understand the real picture. And then getting
618
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:03.970
them feeling a little bit better, making few choices that
619
00:33:04.009 --> 00:33:06.609
are good, whether it's her diet or her exercise, you know,
620
00:33:06.630 --> 00:33:09.920
like the basics, the supplements that could be supportive, and
621
00:33:10.019 --> 00:33:14.630
then planting those other seeds, then building trust. And asking
622
00:33:14.690 --> 00:33:17.480
those deeper questions. And I have found in order for
623
00:33:17.579 --> 00:33:20.140
me to do that, I've had to work on my stuff.
624
00:33:20.259 --> 00:33:23.079
I've had to work on my story to be able
625
00:33:23.140 --> 00:33:25.549
to take them as far as I can now. Because
626
00:33:25.569 --> 00:33:28.529
if I didn't do that, I wouldn't understand the little
627
00:33:28.589 --> 00:33:30.789
cues of like, oh, she's not making eye contact when
628
00:33:30.809 --> 00:33:34.460
I'm asking her this question. Oh, her body language is changing. okay,
629
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.299
I can see now, you know, a woman walks in,
630
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:39.160
I already know. I already have a knowing of what
631
00:33:39.220 --> 00:33:42.210
her deep story is, whether it's sexual trauma, whether it's
632
00:33:42.250 --> 00:33:44.990
emotional trauma or physical trauma or whatever it might be.
633
00:33:45.549 --> 00:33:47.990
And so I have to understand how I can softly
634
00:33:48.089 --> 00:33:51.809
bring her to this place of trust so that she
635
00:33:51.869 --> 00:33:56.049
can finally let go and receive the healing that she
636
00:33:56.089 --> 00:33:56.650
actually needs.
637
00:33:57.269 --> 00:34:00.809
I'm curious because, you know, this is any age or
638
00:34:00.890 --> 00:34:04.559
any particular person. A lot of people are They have
639
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:10.219
trouble admitting things, whether it's something that we do wrong,
640
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:13.000
the accountability side of things, or something that you're feeling
641
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.570
that you just don't want to admit. For me, it's
642
00:34:15.630 --> 00:34:18.710
like there are certain things, because I'm a major athlete,
643
00:34:18.730 --> 00:34:20.610
and there are certain things that I just can't do
644
00:34:20.670 --> 00:34:23.449
the same anymore, and it's not easy. It's taken me
645
00:34:23.510 --> 00:34:27.269
quite a long time to admit it. Do you find,
646
00:34:27.389 --> 00:34:29.969
and this isn't just one particular person or anything, but
647
00:34:30.030 --> 00:34:32.300
just do you find in general that when you start
648
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:35.340
to uncover things or tell people like this is the
649
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.840
areas that you need to fix, that they're cut off
650
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:39.760
from reality or they don't want to admit it or
651
00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:42.039
they just don't see it for whatever reason? Do you
652
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:44.369
find that a lot or are people more receptive to?
653
00:34:44.710 --> 00:34:47.449
I think there's a mix depending on what stage they're in,
654
00:34:47.690 --> 00:34:49.969
how much information they already have. But I also think
655
00:34:50.130 --> 00:34:54.750
understanding why there's resistance is important. So, you know, women
656
00:34:55.030 --> 00:34:56.849
that I see sometimes will have that glass of wine
657
00:34:56.889 --> 00:34:59.449
at the end of the night to wind down. And
658
00:34:59.510 --> 00:35:01.250
when it starts to become a problem for them and
659
00:35:01.289 --> 00:35:04.610
I'm starting to ask them questions around it, if I
660
00:35:04.650 --> 00:35:07.250
take the reward away or that one moment of your
661
00:35:07.269 --> 00:35:09.309
haste that they have at night, it's not going to
662
00:35:09.349 --> 00:35:09.949
go over well.
663
00:35:10.510 --> 00:35:10.750
Yeah.
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00:35:10.829 --> 00:35:14.210
So we have to bring in something that can replace
665
00:35:14.269 --> 00:35:17.469
that or understand, like, why is it that moment? Like,
666
00:35:17.530 --> 00:35:20.260
what is it about that that helps you feel better?
667
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.500
like yourself or helps you feel enough or helps you
668
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:26.199
feel like you succeeded in that day. So how can
669
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we unravel that? So maybe we change it to a
670
00:35:29.059 --> 00:35:31.760
cup of tea or a walk around the block or
671
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:35.119
something really simple to replace that habit that we know
672
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.969
isn't nurturing us anymore. Yeah. So I do think we're human.
673
00:35:38.989 --> 00:35:42.150
We're going to have resistance. I still do in many ways.
674
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When my husband will point out things I don't want
675
00:35:44.409 --> 00:35:48.139
him to. And so... I think being able to step
676
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:51.139
away and look at big picture is important. But I
677
00:35:51.179 --> 00:35:54.760
think people are becoming more aware. And so sometimes you
678
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:57.219
just plant the seed first and then see where it goes.
679
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:01.510
I'm not a big fan of like terms and things
680
00:36:01.570 --> 00:36:04.590
that people put on certain areas of life or whatever.
681
00:36:04.670 --> 00:36:09.429
But the reality is that term like midlife crisis is
682
00:36:09.469 --> 00:36:12.199
a real thing that happens. But what would you say
683
00:36:12.260 --> 00:36:16.750
that actually is like midlife crisis? Is it? hormonal changes?
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Is it the acceptance of my mortalities kicking in? Is
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it I can't do certain things like I was saying,
686
00:36:23.030 --> 00:36:25.590
you know, that I can't do? Is it a combination
687
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:27.119
of everything? What is it?
688
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.079
Yeah, I think it's all of it. I think there's
689
00:36:30.099 --> 00:36:33.110
a lot of grief that happens at that stage because
690
00:36:33.130 --> 00:36:36.630
we are looking backwards or reflecting of like, what didn't
691
00:36:36.690 --> 00:36:39.170
I do? Especially when we have those moments where you
692
00:36:39.190 --> 00:36:41.610
feel like you can't do what you did before. So
693
00:36:41.630 --> 00:36:43.449
maybe it was a sport you didn't play, or maybe
694
00:36:43.469 --> 00:36:45.449
it was that chance that you didn't take, or maybe
695
00:36:45.489 --> 00:36:47.750
it was a childhood that could have been better. So
696
00:36:47.789 --> 00:36:50.670
we start to reflect on the gaps. We start to
697
00:36:50.690 --> 00:36:53.710
reflect on what was missing. But I think it's an
698
00:36:53.750 --> 00:36:57.469
opportunity to then create this second part of our life
699
00:36:57.929 --> 00:37:00.809
from our own command. I do think the first half,
700
00:37:00.929 --> 00:37:03.690
we're kind of looking at culture, we're looking at society,
701
00:37:03.769 --> 00:37:06.920
we're doing the things we're supposed to be doing, not
702
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:10.460
really knowing who we are. So when this unraveling happens,
703
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:13.739
I think it's opportunity to understand who we are. Like,
704
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:17.360
what is our actual identity? What are my values? And
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00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.440
how do I want to go forward in my life
706
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.840
and create a life from that place? And not one
707
00:37:22.860 --> 00:37:26.079
of expectation or not one of where I'm pleasing others,
708
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:30.199
really understanding myself. So I do think it's an opportunity.
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00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.380
And I like to reframe the crisis into more of
710
00:37:33.420 --> 00:37:38.250
like opportunity for women. Because it is, it feels chaotic.
711
00:37:38.269 --> 00:37:41.650
Because you don't know what's going on inside. Even when
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you know. I've been doing this since 2009. So I
713
00:37:45.420 --> 00:37:48.559
knew what to expect. And yet when I turned 45,
714
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:50.639
so much changed. I was complaining to my friend Andrea
715
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:54.070
this week. I'm like, nothing fits me anymore. My body's changing.
716
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And so I think there's a level of acceptance of
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00:37:57.750 --> 00:38:00.949
change that we struggle with. And then the grief of
718
00:38:01.010 --> 00:38:03.590
what we may have, of what we're losing when it
719
00:38:03.630 --> 00:38:06.210
comes to our bodies. And then that realization, you know,
720
00:38:06.230 --> 00:38:08.329
we might have older parents. So we're in that like
721
00:38:08.389 --> 00:38:11.150
sandwich kind of generation. And some of us might have
722
00:38:11.190 --> 00:38:13.409
kids and older parents and we're taking care of both
723
00:38:13.449 --> 00:38:16.639
right now. So there's a lot pulling for our attention
724
00:38:16.739 --> 00:38:19.519
while we're going through this change. So yes, it can
725
00:38:19.539 --> 00:38:22.380
feel chaotic, but I think if we understand it and
726
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.619
start to embrace it, we can make different choices to
727
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:26.800
understand who we actually are.
728
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:32.360
Yeah, it's that lost art of accountability, right? And I
729
00:38:32.460 --> 00:38:36.250
think that you gain freedom when you get older because,
730
00:38:36.449 --> 00:38:38.110
and when I say that, what I mean is that
731
00:38:38.150 --> 00:38:41.480
you have freed your mind and certain things that go
732
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:43.699
on within you so for me it was like the
733
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.000
freedom of worrying about what everybody else thought about me
734
00:38:46.380 --> 00:38:48.590
the image that i was putting on for people and
735
00:38:48.619 --> 00:38:50.710
a lot of that came through prayer and and getting
736
00:38:50.730 --> 00:38:53.449
closer to god but i think a lot of the
737
00:38:53.610 --> 00:38:56.610
early part of your life is training and things didn't
738
00:38:56.710 --> 00:38:59.829
happen for a reason and probably because you weren't ready
739
00:38:59.889 --> 00:39:02.550
for them to happen at the time i struggled with
740
00:39:02.590 --> 00:39:04.630
that for a while like why am i not getting
741
00:39:04.690 --> 00:39:07.409
the do i deserve and and then I look back
742
00:39:07.489 --> 00:39:09.679
and I was like, well, because you sucked, you know,
743
00:39:09.699 --> 00:39:11.539
like it's that certain things that I thought I was
744
00:39:11.579 --> 00:39:13.460
so good at. Well, maybe I wasn't, maybe I was
745
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:16.579
giving myself too much credit. I think that if you
746
00:39:17.659 --> 00:39:19.719
have that ability to do that, as you get older,
747
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:21.480
then it brings up the best part of your life
748
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:24.130
and the best part of you. It's hard to get
749
00:39:24.170 --> 00:39:26.489
people to do that. I understand. But I think if
750
00:39:26.530 --> 00:39:29.489
you can open people up to that and understand a
751
00:39:29.489 --> 00:39:32.889
lot of this was preparation for what was to come
752
00:39:33.389 --> 00:39:34.989
and to get you ready for whatever it was you
753
00:39:35.010 --> 00:39:37.590
were actually supposed to do now granted there's a lot
754
00:39:37.650 --> 00:39:39.909
of shit that we wish we wouldn't have done but
755
00:39:40.530 --> 00:39:42.880
I think that that too will alleviate a lot of
756
00:39:42.909 --> 00:39:45.489
the stress the hormone issues and everything else that goes
757
00:39:45.610 --> 00:39:49.039
on if you can become more accepting that's right realizing
758
00:39:49.059 --> 00:39:51.550
wow There was a lot of good that came out
759
00:39:51.590 --> 00:39:51.880
of this.
760
00:39:52.429 --> 00:39:55.360
There's so much to be said around surrendering to a process.
761
00:39:55.420 --> 00:39:58.460
I think as a culture, we're very resistant. Even with aging,
762
00:39:58.500 --> 00:40:01.500
we're very resistant. You know, the fear around death and
763
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:03.619
the fear around aging, like there's so much of that
764
00:40:03.659 --> 00:40:06.320
and a lot of the messaging we get too, especially
765
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:07.940
for women. You know, if you start to look a
766
00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:10.570
certain way, your hair starts to go gray. I'm starting
767
00:40:10.610 --> 00:40:13.269
to gray. My own aunt was like, you know, I
768
00:40:13.309 --> 00:40:16.070
have this natural dye that you can use. I'm like,
769
00:40:16.110 --> 00:40:20.280
that's fine if my hair is making you feel uncomfortable. But,
770
00:40:20.340 --> 00:40:22.460
you know, so there's, we get that from family, we
771
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:24.980
get it from culture. And so it's really hard to
772
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.320
embrace change when we're not going to feel like we
773
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:30.670
belong or we're going to feel like we're, you know,
774
00:40:30.710 --> 00:40:32.969
shoved to the side as we're aging. So I think
775
00:40:33.030 --> 00:40:36.610
culturally things need to change in the conversation around aging,
776
00:40:36.650 --> 00:40:38.630
which will make it easier to surrender. But it starts
777
00:40:38.650 --> 00:40:40.050
with ourselves first.
778
00:40:40.309 --> 00:40:42.610
I pointed at my face because my beard's like grown
779
00:40:42.630 --> 00:40:44.670
in half white. And I always tell my wife, like,
780
00:40:44.690 --> 00:40:46.389
should we color this or not? Because then I look
781
00:40:47.050 --> 00:40:48.949
ridiculous when we color it and i'm like you know
782
00:40:48.969 --> 00:40:51.590
what screw it it's wisdom it's right yeah it makes
783
00:40:51.630 --> 00:40:52.389
me smarter than i.
784
00:40:52.449 --> 00:40:55.860
Am i called them my wisdom hairs i'm like wisdom's
785
00:40:55.900 --> 00:40:57.679
coming in why would i block it.
786
00:40:57.820 --> 00:40:59.719
You know though sometimes if you sit and look at
787
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:01.900
it sometimes they'll go oh shit that doesn't look so
788
00:41:01.940 --> 00:41:04.380
bad you know sometimes it's okay and then other days
789
00:41:04.460 --> 00:41:06.510
i'm like man i can't do this yeah.
790
00:41:06.349 --> 00:41:07.929
I know for me too i'm like depending on where
791
00:41:07.949 --> 00:41:10.269
i'm in my cycles i'm like oh this is amazing
792
00:41:10.309 --> 00:41:12.230
and next day oh no no something's got to.
793
00:41:12.170 --> 00:41:14.960
Give Before I get into the book a little bit,
794
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.159
I want to talk a little bit about nutrition with you.
795
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.539
I've been a big proponent of creatine use for women
796
00:41:21.739 --> 00:41:24.699
as they get into those stages later in life. And really, shit,
797
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.119
I'm like that. I'm pro-creatine for everybody and teens and everything,
798
00:41:28.139 --> 00:41:31.139
but especially for women in menopause and like my mom
799
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.579
that's in her 70s and people in general, because of
800
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.039
sarcopenia is a real thing. Bone degradation is a real thing.
801
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.500
It does increase as you get older, and especially when
802
00:41:39.539 --> 00:41:42.329
women are going through those hormonal changes. So for me,
803
00:41:42.409 --> 00:41:46.309
creatine is a very important supplement to add. What about diet?
804
00:41:46.389 --> 00:41:49.809
Is there like a certain diet that could help women
805
00:41:49.829 --> 00:41:52.849
that are going through these stages? Like is lower carb good?
806
00:41:52.949 --> 00:41:55.769
Is higher carb, higher protein? Or is it just that
807
00:41:55.829 --> 00:41:57.639
doesn't really play a role here in anything?
808
00:41:57.659 --> 00:42:00.099
I think diet always plays a role because I feel
809
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.059
food is medicine. And I think understanding your cycle and
810
00:42:03.139 --> 00:42:05.440
eating for your cycle can be helpful. So, you know,
811
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.739
in the beginning of your cycle, when your estrogen is high,
812
00:42:07.780 --> 00:42:10.440
you're feeding your estrogen with foods that it needs. When
813
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.480
progesterone is high in the last half, you're eating a
814
00:42:12.500 --> 00:42:16.480
little bit healthier carbs. So even redefining what carbs are,
815
00:42:16.539 --> 00:42:19.119
like I'm talking like sweet potatoes and then good vegetables
816
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.360
and fiber and all of that, not so much of
817
00:42:21.409 --> 00:42:24.650
the processed carbs. But being able to do that throughout
818
00:42:24.670 --> 00:42:28.030
your cycle can be really important. And I'm a seasonal
819
00:42:28.070 --> 00:42:30.260
eater as well. So looking at the season you're in
820
00:42:30.300 --> 00:42:33.119
and where you live. So I'm in Vancouver. So we
821
00:42:33.139 --> 00:42:35.880
get the four seasons. So in the fall, I'm eating
822
00:42:35.940 --> 00:42:38.539
warming foods. I'm eating more soups and stews. I'm going
823
00:42:38.579 --> 00:42:42.739
with the rhythm of the environment plus my body. And
824
00:42:42.860 --> 00:42:47.070
so I do think, you know, protein, healthy fats, good
825
00:42:47.090 --> 00:42:50.849
amount of fiber is really important and decreasing that process.
826
00:42:50.889 --> 00:42:53.969
We would actually eliminating it and really looking at your
827
00:42:54.010 --> 00:42:54.849
glucose levels.
828
00:42:54.909 --> 00:42:55.150
Yeah.
829
00:42:55.389 --> 00:42:58.550
Looking at insulin because you do become more insulin resistant.
830
00:42:58.949 --> 00:43:02.119
So you do have to shift. how you're processing those sugars.
831
00:43:02.179 --> 00:43:05.119
So if you're eating healthy protein, you're eating those healthy
832
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.699
fats and fiber and whole foods, I think you can
833
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.550
really simplify things. It doesn't have to be so complicated
834
00:43:11.570 --> 00:43:12.889
and eat for your body.
835
00:43:13.269 --> 00:43:17.329
When I coach athletes, and especially when I was doing bodybuilders,
836
00:43:17.389 --> 00:43:21.610
I'd give them a three-prong breakdown and it would be diet, training,
837
00:43:21.889 --> 00:43:24.570
and then your supplements. And if they were using shit
838
00:43:24.590 --> 00:43:26.929
they shouldn't be using, and I'd give percentages and I'd
839
00:43:26.969 --> 00:43:29.880
tell them all, I'd say, dude, your diet is I
840
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:33.239
argue 80% of all of this. We'll say 75 to 80.
841
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:36.179
The training, obviously important, 15 to 20, and the supplements
842
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:38.670
and all the other stuff, 2 to 5%. The diet
843
00:43:39.269 --> 00:43:42.929
is so significant from the moment you're born to the
844
00:43:42.969 --> 00:43:45.949
end of your life. And it's the hardest thing for
845
00:43:45.989 --> 00:43:49.110
people to stay consistent on, I would argue. There's so
846
00:43:49.150 --> 00:43:51.599
many times of weakness or temptation, or I just am
847
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:53.139
sick of this, I don't want to do this. But
848
00:43:53.780 --> 00:43:57.320
the role it plays on hormones and balancing those out
849
00:43:57.460 --> 00:44:00.190
and how we age, Because like you were saying, the
850
00:44:00.230 --> 00:44:02.460
processed foods, these seed oils, all of this crap that
851
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:05.340
they put in the foods, that ages us too.
852
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:09.360
Yeah, your digestive system is a reflection of everything. And
853
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:12.250
so just looking at like estrogen balance for women, so
854
00:44:12.289 --> 00:44:15.829
women with like heavy cycles or endometriosis or even PCOS,
855
00:44:16.250 --> 00:44:19.510
your liver and your gut are working together to detoxify
856
00:44:19.590 --> 00:44:22.840
estrogens from your environment and from your food. And so
857
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:26.929
if you're not eating well, you're recirculating those excess estrogens
858
00:44:26.989 --> 00:44:29.849
in your body, which will then create those challenges like
859
00:44:29.889 --> 00:44:34.469
cystic acne, irregular cycles, heaviness, cysts and fibroids, like all
860
00:44:34.510 --> 00:44:38.329
these symptoms that women are experiencing. And by changing your diet,
861
00:44:38.369 --> 00:44:41.530
you can shift how that's working by feeding your microbiome
862
00:44:41.730 --> 00:44:42.429
what it needs.
863
00:44:42.610 --> 00:44:42.769
Right.
864
00:44:42.789 --> 00:44:43.929
It can be really supportive.
865
00:44:44.539 --> 00:44:48.780
Do you have any supplement regimens or even just vitamins
866
00:44:48.820 --> 00:44:51.380
or anything that are even extra important for women as
867
00:44:51.420 --> 00:44:54.079
they get a little bit older and menopause?
868
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.139
Definitely, I would say it's individual, depending on what they're
869
00:44:57.179 --> 00:45:00.699
working on. But amino acids is one. So creatine, I
870
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:04.659
also like that as well. B vitamins, depending on their
871
00:45:04.909 --> 00:45:08.210
hormonal story, some women need like DIM to help support
872
00:45:08.250 --> 00:45:13.369
their liver. So liver support, gut support, and I would say, yeah.
873
00:45:14.340 --> 00:45:16.769
DIMM is one that I'm very familiar with because, you know,
874
00:45:16.809 --> 00:45:20.449
trying to keep estrogen under control for people using testosterone
875
00:45:20.670 --> 00:45:22.710
and things of that nature. So, yeah, I'm glad you
876
00:45:22.730 --> 00:45:24.789
brought that up because I was curious as to how
877
00:45:24.809 --> 00:45:27.630
you recommend women using that and what the benefit was
878
00:45:27.670 --> 00:45:30.250
for them there. So, yeah, that's a good one. I
879
00:45:30.289 --> 00:45:31.929
haven't had a lot of people bring that one up.
880
00:45:32.349 --> 00:45:32.929
I love DIMM.
881
00:45:33.050 --> 00:45:36.150
Yeah. And I know it's been getting some negative press.
882
00:45:37.130 --> 00:45:40.690
with some people in social media right now, but I've
883
00:45:40.710 --> 00:45:43.570
been using it for years with women. And you use
884
00:45:43.610 --> 00:45:45.849
it when it's needed. So I always test them to
885
00:45:45.889 --> 00:45:48.920
see how they're processing their estrogens in their liver. And
886
00:45:48.980 --> 00:45:52.880
if they need more 2-hydroxyestrone, then I'm giving them DIM.
887
00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:55.840
And if they're making too much estrogen and that's feeding
888
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:58.219
their fibroids, I'm giving them DIM. And I've seen it
889
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.050
successfully work over and over again.
890
00:46:00.590 --> 00:46:02.380
What's the negative that you've heard about it?
891
00:46:02.570 --> 00:46:04.130
That it just doesn't work, that you don't need it.
892
00:46:04.670 --> 00:46:06.769
Well, maybe it doesn't work because you're not getting the
893
00:46:06.829 --> 00:46:08.409
right one or the right quality of one.
894
00:46:08.769 --> 00:46:09.389
Right amount.
895
00:46:09.429 --> 00:46:11.510
Yeah. Or don't know how to use it. Because I
896
00:46:11.530 --> 00:46:15.530
can guarantee you from just my experiences and trying to
897
00:46:15.570 --> 00:46:19.070
keep men off aromatase inhibitors that it absolutely does work
898
00:46:19.130 --> 00:46:20.449
because I've witnessed it work.
899
00:46:20.929 --> 00:46:22.150
I've seen fibroids shrink.
900
00:46:22.210 --> 00:46:22.590
Yeah.
901
00:46:22.670 --> 00:46:22.869
Yeah.
902
00:46:23.010 --> 00:46:26.269
Mm-hmm. Yeah, because I do not like aromatase inhibitors at all.
903
00:46:26.909 --> 00:46:30.230
They're just completely misused. And I used to actually be
904
00:46:30.289 --> 00:46:33.150
pro them until I really realized that I was parroting
905
00:46:33.230 --> 00:46:35.409
stuff and that I was wrong. And so DIM is
906
00:46:35.489 --> 00:46:39.659
one of the go-to supplements for estrogen control. So I'm
907
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:43.239
glad you brought that up as well. Last question before
908
00:46:43.260 --> 00:46:49.039
your book. I lied. So the testosterone with women, what
909
00:46:49.099 --> 00:46:53.820
are a few of the misconceptions that women have How
910
00:46:53.940 --> 00:46:55.800
big of a problem do you think it is as
911
00:46:55.820 --> 00:46:57.139
they get older? Yes.
912
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.139
I think testosterone is huge. More for mood.
913
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:00.619
Yeah.
914
00:47:00.860 --> 00:47:02.280
Because it really is your motivator.
915
00:47:02.300 --> 00:47:02.800
That's right.
916
00:47:03.179 --> 00:47:06.280
And it's an antidepressant. And so we do lose that
917
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:09.340
testosterone as we're aging. Like we were saying, starting from
918
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:14.139
age 25. And also muscle mass is huge. And then libido,
919
00:47:14.179 --> 00:47:16.760
which is a big challenge as well. And so some
920
00:47:16.780 --> 00:47:19.719
of the misconceptions that women have is A, the hair
921
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:23.110
growth or the hair loss that they will have. The
922
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.539
other one is just like, it's going to bulk them up.
923
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:26.780
Turn you into a man.
924
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:28.559
It's going to turn you into a man. And it's not,
925
00:47:28.860 --> 00:47:31.420
and it's all about dosing too. I think what women
926
00:47:31.460 --> 00:47:34.699
don't sometimes know that you can do physiological dosing that
927
00:47:34.739 --> 00:47:38.119
just supports your body. It supports your physiology. It just
928
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:41.469
gives you that extra zest, that like oomph for life
929
00:47:41.909 --> 00:47:44.710
that we kind of lose over time. And so I
930
00:47:44.750 --> 00:47:47.889
think it's key in a woman's routine. Maybe you don't
931
00:47:47.929 --> 00:47:49.730
take testosterone. Maybe you're taking fenugreek.
932
00:47:49.869 --> 00:47:50.070
Yeah.
933
00:47:50.190 --> 00:47:53.110
Maybe you're taking saffron. Like there are other ways you
934
00:47:53.130 --> 00:47:55.690
can help increase your testosterone. Maybe you're working out a
935
00:47:55.730 --> 00:47:58.090
certain way. Like there's other things that you can do
936
00:47:58.170 --> 00:48:01.369
before you use testosterone. But I've used like low levels,
937
00:48:01.449 --> 00:48:04.409
even just one milligram with women, and it's been successful.
938
00:48:04.750 --> 00:48:06.170
And that's where I was going to go with that too,
939
00:48:06.230 --> 00:48:08.750
is there's alternate options. You don't have to just go
940
00:48:08.769 --> 00:48:13.730
to straight TRT injections. There are combination treatments. ingredients that
941
00:48:13.750 --> 00:48:16.309
you can take together or there are testosterone boosters that
942
00:48:16.329 --> 00:48:20.309
do actually work. You brought up fenugreek. Tribulus could go
943
00:48:20.369 --> 00:48:23.289
along in there. Boron helps. I mean, there's a ton
944
00:48:23.329 --> 00:48:27.630
of things that you can do. But also, it's like
945
00:48:28.489 --> 00:48:31.210
with men, you have to have a balance of testosterone
946
00:48:31.250 --> 00:48:33.650
and estrogen. If we have too high of estrogen, well,
947
00:48:34.230 --> 00:48:37.170
they're going to retain water. You could get gynecomastia. You
948
00:48:37.190 --> 00:48:40.449
could have libido issues. But if you have too low
949
00:48:40.469 --> 00:48:43.329
of You could start to have like all of this confusion,
950
00:48:43.409 --> 00:48:45.610
brain fog, and then the libido issue.
951
00:48:45.630 --> 00:48:46.630
And depression.
952
00:48:46.769 --> 00:48:51.099
Yeah, exactly. Over or under emotional. Same goes with women.
953
00:48:51.579 --> 00:48:54.500
I have seen so many women that have testosterone problems
954
00:48:54.960 --> 00:49:00.119
and they either are not receptive to it, don't know
955
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:02.340
because they never looked, or scared.
956
00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:02.820
Yeah.
957
00:49:03.110 --> 00:49:06.869
You know? And I think that it's probably a way
958
00:49:06.909 --> 00:49:09.869
bigger problem that we even know because people don't even
959
00:49:09.889 --> 00:49:10.309
look for it.
960
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.010
Yeah, and you know, there's options. Like you mentioned injections,
961
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you can do creams.
962
00:49:13.849 --> 00:49:14.309
That's right.
963
00:49:14.369 --> 00:49:16.750
You can even start with DHEA and see if that
964
00:49:16.789 --> 00:49:20.119
feeds into your testosterone properly. So there's different ways. to
965
00:49:20.179 --> 00:49:20.860
navigate it.
966
00:49:21.489 --> 00:49:24.030
There's a new product called Kysotrex. I'm actually getting ready
967
00:49:24.050 --> 00:49:25.610
to start it. I know the guy that founded it.
968
00:49:25.630 --> 00:49:28.110
I've been waiting now, but it's an oral testosterone that
969
00:49:28.250 --> 00:49:31.889
actually truly works. It's been out for about two years
970
00:49:31.949 --> 00:49:34.179
now and I've seen enough data now to trust it.
971
00:49:34.309 --> 00:49:36.869
But there's plenty of options for women. And I would,
972
00:49:37.230 --> 00:49:39.769
I generally with women, I've always gone straight to the
973
00:49:39.829 --> 00:49:43.360
testosterone boosters first to see how they work. And then if, okay,
974
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:45.400
it's not working. Well, we got other.
975
00:49:45.699 --> 00:49:47.440
And then looking at the other things, like what's your
976
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:48.079
insulin like?
977
00:49:48.139 --> 00:49:48.300
Yeah.
978
00:49:48.340 --> 00:49:50.559
What's your stress levels like? So you want to be
979
00:49:50.619 --> 00:49:53.539
looking at all of that when you're working with testosterone.
980
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:55.579
And sleep and stress and all the.
981
00:49:55.579 --> 00:49:59.090
Other stuff we keep talking about. The foundation. Yes.
982
00:49:59.610 --> 00:50:04.599
That affects everything. Okay, let's get into your book. So
983
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I was laughing with you beforehand because I was talking
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about the stressors and you told me you're a writer
985
00:50:10.340 --> 00:50:12.449
and how much you love it. So tell me, how
986
00:50:12.530 --> 00:50:15.030
long did this book, first of all, how long did
987
00:50:15.050 --> 00:50:16.289
it take you to come up with the idea? And
988
00:50:16.309 --> 00:50:18.070
then secondly, how long did it take you to sit
989
00:50:18.090 --> 00:50:18.710
down and write it?
990
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.019
The idea has always been there. I wrote my first
991
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:25.659
book several years ago during COVID called Woman Unleashed. And
992
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.769
so there's pieces of this book that come from that book.
993
00:50:29.289 --> 00:50:31.929
That book was more about my story and how trauma
994
00:50:32.030 --> 00:50:35.949
influences hormones. And a big part of it was understanding
995
00:50:35.989 --> 00:50:39.309
that stress cycle and how it influences everything in our life,
996
00:50:39.769 --> 00:50:44.780
including our hormones. And so this book was birthed out
997
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:50.429
of that book, actually. So I started writing in 2023. And,
998
00:50:50.449 --> 00:50:52.309
you know, back and forth with my publisher, with like
999
00:50:52.409 --> 00:50:54.630
editing and all of that. So it was a couple
1000
00:50:54.650 --> 00:50:57.789
of year process to sit with this book. And it's
1001
00:50:57.849 --> 00:51:00.409
funny when you're writing a book, how much you learn
1002
00:51:00.489 --> 00:51:05.550
about yourself as you're navigating it and how much you
1003
00:51:05.949 --> 00:51:09.130
miss writing after. Well, that was my experience. I had
1004
00:51:09.150 --> 00:51:11.909
a lot of grief around not sitting with my words
1005
00:51:12.469 --> 00:51:16.150
as I was before. But It helped me to put
1006
00:51:16.449 --> 00:51:18.510
what I've been doing or what's been in my head
1007
00:51:18.530 --> 00:51:22.530
the last like 15 to 17 years onto paper and
1008
00:51:22.570 --> 00:51:25.469
into this method. The women reading it can start to
1009
00:51:25.530 --> 00:51:29.179
understand how they can already implement it into their lives
1010
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.940
and how simple it actually can be when you start
1011
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:33.000
to understand your story.
1012
00:51:33.019 --> 00:51:37.179
Okay. So I know what it's like because I've talked
1013
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.260
with a bunch of people that write with ghostwriters and
1014
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.360
you kind of just give them your ideas and record it,
1015
00:51:42.380 --> 00:51:44.780
talk to them, and then they write it. For you,
1016
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.880
to what I think about writing, like sitting and writing,
1017
00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:50.460
I'm like, man, I'm sitting there. I'm thinking about when
1018
00:51:50.500 --> 00:51:53.400
I wrote stories in school and you just sit down
1019
00:51:53.420 --> 00:51:55.949
and you just start rolling, start and just go. You know,
1020
00:51:56.300 --> 00:51:58.570
do you do like segments? Do you sit down for
1021
00:51:58.690 --> 00:52:01.010
eight hour sessions? Is it just, is it?
1022
00:52:01.010 --> 00:52:04.469
It was in between pickup, but I was taking them
1023
00:52:04.510 --> 00:52:06.670
to hockey and soccer. It was sitting with them when
1024
00:52:06.690 --> 00:52:09.630
they were sick beside them and writing. It was, you know,
1025
00:52:09.710 --> 00:52:11.429
on my Tuesdays and Thursdays, it's a bit more free.
1026
00:52:11.449 --> 00:52:13.980
So I would sometimes sit down. Or if I get
1027
00:52:14.019 --> 00:52:15.960
an idea, I'd go run to my computer and write
1028
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:16.400
it down.
1029
00:52:17.059 --> 00:52:19.280
But does it all flow like start to finish or
1030
00:52:19.300 --> 00:52:21.059
are you just throwing stuff in and then piecing it
1031
00:52:21.099 --> 00:52:21.719
together later?
1032
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:23.159
I went in sequence.
1033
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:23.860
Okay.
1034
00:52:24.300 --> 00:52:26.489
The editing, it started to change a little bit.
1035
00:52:26.510 --> 00:52:26.710
Yeah.
1036
00:52:26.769 --> 00:52:29.289
But my first draft, I went all sequence. Yeah.
1037
00:52:30.510 --> 00:52:34.110
I'm just curious as to how one balances the time
1038
00:52:34.190 --> 00:52:36.630
and it's just kind of like, okay, I feel like
1039
00:52:36.650 --> 00:52:37.340
writing right now.
1040
00:52:37.650 --> 00:52:39.389
Yeah, because I still have my practice. I've got two
1041
00:52:39.429 --> 00:52:42.090
young boys, I've been 14, that are playing sports and
1042
00:52:42.110 --> 00:52:44.469
doing all the things. So you find a way, especially
1043
00:52:44.489 --> 00:52:45.429
when it's something that you love.
1044
00:52:45.610 --> 00:52:48.170
Do you ever have like the extremely late nights where
1045
00:52:48.190 --> 00:52:49.929
it's like, okay, it's 3 a.m., I better go to
1046
00:52:49.969 --> 00:52:50.469
bed now?
1047
00:52:50.489 --> 00:52:50.550
No.
1048
00:52:50.730 --> 00:52:50.829
Okay.
1049
00:52:51.090 --> 00:52:52.429
That was a boundary I had for myself.
1050
00:52:52.449 --> 00:52:53.019
Okay, all right.
1051
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:55.199
Yeah, I didn't actually write in the evenings. Okay.
1052
00:52:55.619 --> 00:52:56.840
I didn't know how that worked.
1053
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.539
It might work for some people, the quiet time. But
1054
00:53:00.579 --> 00:53:04.239
for me, I just, I sleep. I'm perimenopausal. I had
1055
00:53:04.260 --> 00:53:08.280
to sleep. That would be changing my relationship with my husband,
1056
00:53:08.300 --> 00:53:10.360
my kids the next day. So I wasn't going to
1057
00:53:10.380 --> 00:53:11.579
be living the book if I did that.
1058
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:14.989
Okay. Yeah. The book is coming out end of February.
1059
00:53:15.010 --> 00:53:16.570
Is this your second book?
1060
00:53:16.989 --> 00:53:17.670
This is my second book.
1061
00:53:17.829 --> 00:53:18.889
You plan on writing more?
1062
00:53:18.909 --> 00:53:20.789
I love writing, so I hope so.
1063
00:53:20.809 --> 00:53:22.630
I don't know if you can answer this. What gives
1064
00:53:22.650 --> 00:53:23.670
you the most fulfillment?
1065
00:53:24.170 --> 00:53:25.329
So I don't know if you read that part of
1066
00:53:25.369 --> 00:53:27.969
my book, that first line that I wrote in chapter
1067
00:53:28.130 --> 00:53:31.139
one was a woman one day was like, you saved
1068
00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:34.019
my life. And I didn't know I had that kind
1069
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.800
of impact on her. And so when you hear those
1070
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.360
kinds of stories or when a couple comes to me
1071
00:53:39.619 --> 00:53:42.500
and the other systems told them they'll never get pregnant
1072
00:53:42.659 --> 00:53:45.219
naturally and all of a sudden she's on baby number
1073
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:50.260
two now, it's that. It's like seeing women... find their
1074
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.989
power and just having like a little, little role in
1075
00:53:54.030 --> 00:53:57.269
that can be so empowering for me. Like I learned
1076
00:53:57.309 --> 00:54:00.030
so much from them. Like a lot of my healing
1077
00:54:00.050 --> 00:54:01.550
has happened because of them.
1078
00:54:02.269 --> 00:54:04.860
When, when did it hit you? Like, okay, I need
1079
00:54:04.889 --> 00:54:06.980
to write the second book. Does that something that.
1080
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:11.460
You, My first book, I pitched to a publisher or
1081
00:54:11.940 --> 00:54:13.940
like a friend introduced me to them. And so I
1082
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:15.780
was just hoping they were going to buy my first book.
1083
00:54:16.469 --> 00:54:18.369
And then they read it. They're like, no, you need
1084
00:54:18.389 --> 00:54:22.969
to write more. Okay. And then it just opened up
1085
00:54:23.010 --> 00:54:25.849
the door. When I started doing this work, it really
1086
00:54:25.969 --> 00:54:29.329
opened up a softer side for me. And I started
1087
00:54:29.349 --> 00:54:32.489
to understand that, okay, to impact the world, because every
1088
00:54:32.550 --> 00:54:36.059
relationship in the world starts with a woman. Yes, we
1089
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:38.400
have our spiritual relationship. We have a relationship with God.
1090
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:42.139
But that first relationship on earth is with a woman.
1091
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:46.230
So if I can support her, I'm then creating a
1092
00:54:46.269 --> 00:54:49.090
ripple effect in the world. I'm then changing the world.
1093
00:54:49.489 --> 00:54:53.690
I'm really thankful to have the conversation and hopefully get
1094
00:54:53.730 --> 00:54:55.530
you out in front of more people that see what
1095
00:54:55.570 --> 00:54:57.809
you're doing and that there's people like you out there
1096
00:54:57.869 --> 00:55:00.789
that they can go to and trust. And you speak
1097
00:55:00.829 --> 00:55:04.420
very calmly and trusting and eloquently and i think it's
1098
00:55:04.699 --> 00:55:07.380
it's very nice to hear and so i appreciate the
1099
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:09.400
conversation thank you.
1100
00:55:09.300 --> 00:55:11.230
I really appreciate that yeah and for you to have
1101
00:55:11.250 --> 00:55:14.090
the space open for us to have a voice to
1102
00:55:14.130 --> 00:55:15.989
make a difference it's you that's.
1103
00:55:15.889 --> 00:55:17.530
The least i could do for all the shit i've
1104
00:55:17.550 --> 00:55:21.750
done wrong no i i have a purpose and the
1105
00:55:21.789 --> 00:55:27.530
purpose is very simply put to help everybody build their
1106
00:55:27.590 --> 00:55:29.969
quality of life and fix it. And that is part
1107
00:55:29.989 --> 00:55:32.699
of that is me spotlighting people that need to be
1108
00:55:32.780 --> 00:55:36.559
heard and, and get the right message out. So that's,
1109
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:40.550
that's my purpose. And that's all I'm here to do. Absolutely.
1110
00:55:40.590 --> 00:55:42.590
So I can't forget the date, your books coming out
1111
00:55:42.630 --> 00:55:44.289
since I told you it was a day before my birthday.
1112
00:55:44.309 --> 00:55:47.630
So everybody watching February 22nd, where can they buy it?
1113
00:55:48.380 --> 00:55:53.099
Anywhere, really. On Amazon, your local bookstores, like Barnes & Noble.
1114
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:57.170
I'm from Canada, so Indigo. Yeah, you'll find it everywhere. Online,
1115
00:55:57.190 --> 00:56:00.530
you can get it on my website, healyourhormonesbook.com.
1116
00:56:00.969 --> 00:56:03.469
So people that want to follow you, too, are the
1117
00:56:03.510 --> 00:56:05.690
best places, and where can they become a client?
1118
00:56:06.050 --> 00:56:10.360
So you can go to Instagram, DrSonyaJensen, or DrSonyaJensen.com, and
1119
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:11.320
you can just message me.
1120
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:14.300
So you do virtual then?
1121
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:14.400
Yeah.
1122
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:18.800
So perfect. All right. Well, I thank you for the
1123
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:21.639
time for coming to see me. And we're going to
1124
00:56:21.659 --> 00:56:24.739
get your message out to everybody. And I appreciate everything.
1125
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:27.780
So that wraps up another one, everybody. Make sure you
1126
00:56:27.820 --> 00:56:32.090
get out and get the book February 22nd. And that
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00:56:32.150 --> 00:56:34.250
wraps up another one. So stay tuned for plenty more
1128
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to come. Dylan Gemelli and Dr. Sonja Jensen signing off.