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All right, what's up? Drive time, Thursday afternoon style, six
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minutes past the hour of two o'clock. We got some, well, actually,
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it's sunny now. It has been rainy and chilly and
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cloudy on this Thursday afternoon. I can tell you that
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I just arrived on remote. I'm going to tell you
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where we're at. You guys need to get here. From
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the KUTV studios, as we recorded episode 30 of Talkin' Real,
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myself and Brian Dunseth will be on television at 1035 tonight.
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on KMYU, so tune in for that. But I was
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speaking to the weather folk, and we are looking at
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a potentially dry Saturday night, but it is going to
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be cold. By the time the game kicks off between
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Utah and Houston on Saturday night, it's going to be
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about 45 degrees, so prepare accordingly. And of course, our
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pregame coverage for you guys will begin at 4.15, Porter-Larsen
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We'll have that for you to get you ready for kick.
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College game day in town. Big matchup. Two top 15 teams.
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Houston and Utah doing battle on Saturday night. And we'll
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get you ready for it. We'll talk about it a
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lot on the show today. And we'll talk some big
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picture Big 12 football. BYU traveling a couple of time
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zones to take on UCF. And Utah-Houston is getting a
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lot of attention. I think it's the biggest game of
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the weekend, and we're lucky to have it on this
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radio station as your home of the Utes for 75
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years now. So there you go. Get you ready for
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the game. And we'll talk some big-picture college football. Your
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weekend in the NFL begins tonight, and you're going to
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see the Bears and the Pats at Soldier Field do
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battle on Amazon Prime Video. That game kicks off just
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after 6 o'clock Mountain Time, about 6.15 p.m. thereabouts we'll
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talk some NFL on the show today as well so
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a lot to do on a Thursday afternoon I'll let
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you know that we are out and about at a
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really cool place so here's the deal we've grown up
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as a radio station we're giving away Utah BYU football
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tickets okay I don't know if you've checked the secondary
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market but these tickets are very valuable and They're very expensive.
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We're also giving away an autographed Devin Dampier legitimate Rydell
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football helmet. Very valuable giveaway as well. So we're at
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Rally House. It is a brand new place here. They
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have a bunch of locations across the country, but essentially
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this is now in Salt Lake City the best place
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to get gear for your team, specifically the University of Utah. Now,
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there's a Utah State section. There's a BYU section. There's
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a Utah Mammoth section. But if you're a Ute fan
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and you've been complaining that you don't love the Under
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Armour gear or whatever, you don't think there's cool Ute gear,
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there's excellent Ute gear here. I just did a couple
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of laps around the store. I took a tour with
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my guy Trevor, who's going to join us throughout the
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show today. So come on by and say what's up.
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We are right next to Trader Joe's. So for a
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little bit of frame of reference, right centralized here in
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the heart of downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. It is
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624 East, 400 South. That's 624 East, 400 South. Come
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on in. Enter to win. All you have to do
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is enter your name into the box. I'm going to
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draw a winner for Utah BYU tickets and the Devin
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Dampier helmet just before 6 o'clock. So stay tuned for
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the drawing, and you'll find out if you are lucky
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enough to win these tickets or lucky enough to win
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this Devin Dampier helmet. We're also giving away tailgate passes
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for the Utah-Houston game for the ESPN 700 tailgate. So
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come on up and party with us. Hang out with
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us prior to the start of the game on Saturday. Utah-Houston,
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massive game. And the line has moved recently. Utah is
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now a full seven-point favorite. And that over-under is 56.5.
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So a lot of points expected to be scored. The
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line may have moved as a result of the weather
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settling a little bit. Again, it's going to be cold
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at kickoff, but it shouldn't be raining as of now. Now,
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we live in Utah, and it's October. So it could
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be sunny for 10 minutes and then rainy for the
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next 20. You never know. So come on by Rally House.
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624 East, 400 South. Right in the heart of downtown
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Salt Lake City, Utah. Enter to win Utah BYU football tickets.
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Enter to win a Devin Dampier autographed helmet. Giving away
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tailgate passes. And then check out this gear. I mean,
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you'll be stunned how big this is. When I walked in,
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I was shocked. It's like a warehouse. And they've got everything.
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They've got Utah basketball gear. They've got Utah skiing gear.
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They've got Utah, of course, Utah football gear. We have
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college game day t-shirts as college game days here in town.
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They've got polos. They have quarter zips, a bunch of hats.
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It is the best wide variety array of U gear
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I've ever seen in my entire life. And they have
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an entire section dedicated to the ladies, including like earrings and,
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you know, really, really cool sweatshirts, really cool tank tops.
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I'm telling you, I didn't even know this existed. This
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is a new partner of ours here at Rally House.
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It's 624 East, 400 South in the heart of downtown
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Salt Lake City, Utah. We'll be broadcasting the show all
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day today. We'd love to meet you and shake your hand.
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But most importantly, if you want some great gear, it
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is a blackout on Saturday night. And they've got a
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bunch of black sweatshirts and T-shirts, Game Day, Devin Dampier shirts,
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Devin Dampier Spider-Man shirts. We've got sunglasses. We have coffee mugs.
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You name it, we've got it, including Utah footballs here
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at Rally House at 624 East, 400 South, right here
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in the heart of downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. All right.
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Utah men's basketball got a good win last night against Oregon.
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It's a rare lone-window P4 exhibition college basketball matchup. Utah
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came back from 10 points down, forced overtime. As a
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result of a last-second three by Tayson Chapman, the Ohio
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State transfer, and they beat Oregon. And now a week
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off for Utah basketball before they start the regular season
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against Long Beach State on Monday, November 2nd, at the
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Huntsman Center. So come on up and say what's up.
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Of course, a lot of attention and conversation about what
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we're going to see Saturday night as Houston rolls into
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town to take on the Utes. Dalton Kincaid will be
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the guest picker. Of course, Buffalo Bill Tieden, Utah football legend.
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So there you go. Morgan Scali is going to be
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live on set with the game day crew. They're going
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to do a cool feature on Colton Swan called Cowboy Up. And,
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of course, they'll talk a lot about this exciting game
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coming up. So we'll do some college football on the
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show today. We'll do some college basketball on the show today.
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We'll do a little Utah Jazz. Did you have Ty
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Jerome MVP chants night one on your bingo card for
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the Jazz? They got smoked. by a Memphis Grizzlies team
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that is thought to be pretty unserious about competing this year.
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You know, Cameron Boozer, their young rookie, 2 of 15
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from the floor. He had 11 boards and 5 assists.
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He's got a great feel for the game. Ty Jerome,
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a career high by 15 points, had 45 points last night.
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The Jazz were atrocious defensively again. Okay, so it's opening night.
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I get it, 1 of 82, but look, this thing
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is supposed to look a lot better, and it looked
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exactly the way it did a year ago. in Memphis
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where the Jazz got smoked by 20, and it was
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basically over halfway through the third quarter. So some Jazz
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basketball on the radio show today. The Utah Royals continue
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their march toward the NWSL playoffs on Friday night. Tomorrow
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night at 7.30, Seattle is the opponent. You can see
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that game on KMYU, actually. And then RSL back at
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it coming up on Saturday against St. Louis at home.
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So RSL, with a win, will have a 62% chance
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of making the MLS playoffs. And with a loss, it
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goes down to 32%. So we'll do a little RSL
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on the show today. All right, speaking of Utah men's basketball,
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our first guest today is the head coach of the Utes,
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Alex Jensen. Love my guy, Al. Cheering for him, cheering
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for them. And 2-1 in the exhibition slate with a
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win over UNLV, a win over Oregon, and a loss
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to Nevada. We'll talk about this new roster. They're going
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to be better. They're going to be much improved. Al
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has done a good job of rebuilding this team in
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the way that he wanted it built as a result
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of him taking the job late in the cycle last
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year because he wanted to finish his season with the
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Dallas Mavericks. Alex Jensen didn't necessarily have a ton of
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time to build that team a year ago, and now
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he's had an entire offseason to do that. And so
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we'll get to know these Utes a little bit, talk
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some college basketball on the show today. The voice of
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the Utah Jazz, Craig Bullerjack, will join us. We'll talk
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a little jazz. What the hell happened last night in Memphis? Oh, man,
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that was ugly. We'll be joined by Blaine Fowler, our
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friend from BYU TV, who was roommates with Kyle Whittingham
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in college. Talk some college football with Blaine. And then
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a consistent guest of ours, Kyle Bonagura, who covers college
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football for ESPN, will join us. And, of course, it
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is a Thursday. So a little sports court with our
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friends from Handy and Handy. So Alex Jensen for some
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Utah basketball. Craig Bollerjack for some Utah jazz, Blaine Fowler,
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and Kyle Bonagura for some college football. Me, Spence check.
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It's live at the rally house, six 24 East 400
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South here in Salt Lake city, Utah. We have ESPN
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game day, merch, T-shirt T T-shirts, hoodies, crew, and X,
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a wide array of T-shirts and hats. Some really cool
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retro T-shirt T-shirts. There's one that celebrates Utah's basketball national
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championship from 1994. It is awesome. It's brand new. Uh,
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They are across the country as far as their locations everywhere,
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but it's new here in Salt Lake City. So get
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your gear for ESPN College Game Day this Saturday at
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Rice Eccles Stadium at Rally House. Oh, I forgot to
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mention pizza and, of course, taffy. We always have taffy,
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but we have pizza today. Giving away BYU-Utah tickets, football tickets.
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Entered to win that, Devin Dampier, autographed helmets, and tailgate
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passes for the Utah-Houston game. So a busy show today.
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Alex Jensen, Craig Bollerjack, Blaine Fowler, Kyle Bonagura, me, Spence Chekic,
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you already know. And the producer of this radio show
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is Porter Larson, back in the studio. What's up, man?
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How are you?
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I'm well.
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I'm well.
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Looking forward to a fun weekend. But, yeah, a little
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bummed I'm not out at Rally House. Sounds like a
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good time.
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Yeah, this place is really cool. I've never been here before.
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They've got, I mean, I'm probably not doing a great
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job of articulating all the things. They have Utah puzzles,
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if you'd like. Utah footballs, keychains, sunglasses. Cool framed pictures
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of the Delta Center for a Mammoth fan. Rice-Eckel Stadium.
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They do have a BYU section. We're taking care of
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our BYU brethren. Okay, you can come by and check
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it out. Really cool spot. We're right next to Trader Joe's.
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in the heart of downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, at
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624 East 400 South. So come on by and say
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what's up. All right, our first guest today, Alex Jensen.
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I always enjoy my conversations with Alex. But before Alex
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stops by, on this Thursday afternoon, it's time now for
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your opening tip. Again, broadcasting live at the Rally House,
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huge selection of Utah Utes gear from tees, hats, hoodies,
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and don't forget the ladies with stadium-approved clear purses, earrings.
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And more.
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Game day ready with Rally House at 4 South, right
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by Trader Joe's. Come by and enter to win a
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pair of BYU-Utah football tickets, a signed Devin Dampier helmet,
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ESPN 700 VIP tailgate passes, free Little Caesars hot and
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ready pizza while it lasts. All right. A couple things
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here before we catch our first break to bring in
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Alex Jensen. Some disturbing news broke overnight, and I was
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given a heads up a couple weeks ago that there
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was a Utah player that found himself in some hot water. Well,
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that player is now revealed publicly as Jamal Wallace. It's
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an alleged rape and sharing the incident on social media.
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Of course, not great timing for the Utes with College
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Game Day in town, but Jamal Wallace is under investigation
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for the alleged rape of a woman and is also
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accused of sharing videos of the incident on social media.
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He was suspended indefinitely from the Utes program earlier this month.
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And a school spokesman told multiple outlets yesterday that he
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was arrested on October the 11th for alleged distribution of
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an intimate image and faces five misdemeanor counts. The arrest documents,
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as obtained by multiple outlets, say he is also being
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investigated for rape and forcible sodomy. Here's the statement from Utah. Quote,
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we were made aware of the situation with Jamal Wallace
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on October the 11th, and he was immediately placed on
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an indefinite suspension from the program. We take these matters seriously,
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as this is a pending legal matter. We have no
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further comment this time. There's a probable cause statement that
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is making the rounds across the landscape of sports media today.
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The woman who told police that she and Wallace have
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been dating on and off, and they were discussing their
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relationship on October 9th when he forced her to perform
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oral sex before forcibly having sex with her. She also
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said he hit her several times. Of course, this is
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just horrible. This is not a football story, and Jamal
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Wallace has a lot more to deal with than just
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not being on the football team. Obviously a horrible look.
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Utah acted quickly. He has not been charged during the investigation.
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He was released on $ 5, 000 bail following his arrest. He's
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played in one game for Utah this year against Idaho.
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Tennessee transfer, he played six games for Tennessee last year. So,
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not a story I care to spend a lot of
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time on, but it is out there, and that's part
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of the job to cover the stories that are out there.
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So Jamal Wallace is no longer with the Utah football team.
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He has been suspended as this investigation goes on. All right, Utah-Houston,
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coming up. All right, college game day in town. As
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I referenced, Dalton Kincaid has been revealed as the guest picker,
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Utah legend and Buffalo Bill tight end. So we'll have
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some fun festivities. The forecast is looking a little dicey
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in the morning. But as I came over here from KUTV,
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I made sure to talk to our weather people over there.
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Game night will be chilly, but it is shaping up
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to be dry as of now. So that's the good news.
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Of course, as we've discussed on the program, this is
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the week that we have all been waiting for, quite frankly.
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It begins a four-game stretch for Utah football that will
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determine the way this season goes. Utah's four toughest opponents
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start now. And, you know, we'll see what Cincinnati brings,
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but that's a, you know, you're traveling, it's a little
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bit of a road trip, and those always can be complicated.
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I think Cincinnati is one of those teams right in
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the middle of this conference that can get you if
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you're not careful. So Houston, Cincinnati, BYU, Arizona. Okay, that's
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how the next four weeks go, and as I referenced,
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it kind of will make or break Utah's season that
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so far has been clean, but so far has featured
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teams that with a combined record of 14-25, and none
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of the teams Utah has beaten currently has a winning record.
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And that really is the only thing that's causing a
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little bit of problems when you try to analyze how
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good this Utah football team is. By most any metric
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on offense and defense in the Big 12, they're top five.
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Houston comes in as kind of the same with only
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one caveat, and Houston has been susceptible through the air. Now,
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We talked to their color analyst yesterday to get the
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update on the health of some of the Houston players.
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They do come in to this game without potentially three
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important starters on defense, specifically one of their cornerbacks, whose
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name is Jalen Mayo. Now, Jalen Mayo is his name.
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So Houston, according to scouts and people who do mock drafts,
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they have two potential NFL cornerbacks. One of them is
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Jalen Mayo, who, as of now, is not going to
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play on Saturday night. The other is Will James. And
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Houston so far has been a little bit vulnerable through
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the air. It's the only metric, as far as the
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data that we have at our disposal, that indicates the
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vulnerability that Houston has on defense. If you attack them
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down the middle with their linebackers and their safeties, you
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can find a way to move the football. And with, hopefully,
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the rain holding off on Saturday night, because that's the
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deal with the rain. It makes it hard to grip
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the football, of course. Maybe Kevin McGiven will turn Devin
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Dampier loose. And we'll see Utah be able to find
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some success through the air because ultimately that's the only
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vulnerability of this Houston Cougar football team so far that
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comes in at 6-1. And their only loss, quite frankly,
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was a game that they easily could have won, a
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two-point loss on the road against the number eight team
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in America. And that, of course, is Texas Tech. So
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this is a good football team. I'm going to give
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you my pick tomorrow. And I'll be honest, as of today,
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I still haven't landed on exactly what I want to
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do as far as this pick goes. I will remind you.
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that my advice to you is to not bet on
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this stuff at all. The pro football focus formulas, you know,
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they kind of do their own thing as opposed to
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rely on Vegas and such. Vegas has this as a
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seven-point spread, but the guys at PFF believe it's closer
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to a one- to three-point game. Okay, so we'll give
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you our pick tomorrow as far as how I think
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this thing is going to go down. Connor Wegman is
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potentially the best quarterback in this conference. He leads the
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Big 12. in QBR. He has 20 touchdowns on the year.
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He's number two in the country in EPA per pass,
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but they're really balanced because they run the football 54%
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of the time. That's the fifth most in all of
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college football. They're seventh in EPA per run. They have
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two of the top-graded offensive linemen in all of the
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Big 12. Utah will be without Kelvin Obot. They're a
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talented young starting tackle, so some injury issues for the Utes.
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We'll see how they're able to kind of make up
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for that. Utah is... 16th in the country in EPA
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per run allowed. Their rush defense has been really good.
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They're number 30 in the country in yards per rush allowed.
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And as I referenced yesterday, the one stat that continues
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to blow me away is Utah has only stacked the
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box 46 times all year. That's 82nd in college football.
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So they're stopping the run with their four front linemen.
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We'll see if they're able to get more pressure. In
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33 dropbacks last week, Isaac Wilson was pressured four times.
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That's obviously not enough. All right, we'll talk more college
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football throughout the course of the show today. Coming up
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on the other side, though, Alex Jensen is our guest,
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the head coach of the Utah men's basketball team. They
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got a win last night against Oregon, but we are
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live today at Rally House. Come on by and say
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what's up. It's 624 East, 400 South. My man Trevor
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joins us on a Thursday. What's up, man?
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How are you?
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I'm doing great. Yeah, I just came from class. I'm
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working here. It's my college job.
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There you go.
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I love working here because we've got so much Utah
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gear and– and it's just great to work around all
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this stuff, get to talk these things with my friends and, uh,
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and get to talk Utah with my, with, with the
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patrons that come in and, uh, and are asking questions
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and looking for things to buy.
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So you're a student at the U.
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Yes, sir.
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Very cool.
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So are you pumped for game day?
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Oh, absolutely. I mean, my friends have plans already. Um,
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we're planning to get there right at 5 PM on
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Friday to start camping out and to be first in line,
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get some life changing money, maybe with that kick.
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That a boy, that a boy. Let's see if we
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can work some inside sources to get Trevor kicking that
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field goal. All right. I took a little tour earlier on.
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First of all, I didn't know you guys had opened
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this store. This is my first time here. I'm blown
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away at the selections. So what do you want our
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listeners to know? I mean, we've got game day gear.
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We've got hooded sweat, you know, hoodies. We've got sweats.
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I mean, what do you want our listeners to know
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about Rally House?
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Yeah, well, I'd say that this last week, right, we
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had the wideout game two weeks ago. And a lot
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of the whiteout gear at the campus store was sold
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out real fast, and most of the common sizes. You
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come to Rally House, though, and you check it out,
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you'll see just how much selection we have. And if
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you come and look right now, I'd say about a
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fifth of everything we have in the store is something
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that you could wear to a blackout game like this
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dark mode on Saturday night. And we got plenty of selection.
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We got a lot of ESPN game day shirts for
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this game, custom-made for this game. And we have plenty
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of stuff that you can wrap, get for your family,
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get for your friends. And we don't just have Utah
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gear as well. I mean, we also host a lot
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of Mammoth gear here in the shop. We've got a
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lot of Jazz gear. And a lot of the nearby
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NFL teams, like the ones in L.A., San Francisco, Las Vegas, Denver,
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we've got whatever you want to look for. And also
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for those fans down south, we have a little bit
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of your gear too. It doesn't sell very often up
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here in Charlotte City, but we've got some of your
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gear too.
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We're taking care of our BYU brethren. Okay, we have
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a little BYU section. We have a Utah State section
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back there as well.
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Yes, sir.
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So whoever you support, we've got something for you here. Look, man,
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we're going to catch up throughout the day. Thanks for
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stopping by, okay? That's my man Trevor out here at
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Rally House. Come on by and say what's up. 624 East,
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400 South. Having a good time. Live today with our
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good friends at Rally House. Come on down and get
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the best ute gear in preparation for a blackout game
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on Saturday night. Hopefully you were at the Huntsman Center
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last night, and you will definitely be at the Huntsman
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Center on November 2nd as the season begins for real.
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for Utah Hoops, but last night Alex Jensen's boys came
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back from 10 points down to get a win over
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Oregon at the Huntsman Center. The head coach of the Utes,
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Alex Jensen, is our guest on a Thursday. Al, congrats
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on the win, man. Thanks for the time today.
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No, no problem, and thank you.
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It was a good win.
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Hopefully we can get some more of them when they count.
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Certainly, and we will get.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, we'll get to the season
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ahead in just a moment, but we can only analyze
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what's in front of us. And you guys were down
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10 there in the second half. And defensively, Al, it
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feels like the three games we've been able to see
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during the exhibition portion of your schedule, that's what really
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stands out to me, defense and effort. Certainly I'm not
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going to knock on the team a year ago, but
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tell me what your takeaways have been now that you
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guys have played three exhibition games.
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No, no, it's a good takeaway, Spence, and we've tried
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to emphasize that from the beginning when we got the
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group and having, you know, once we entered the Big 12,
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like that's the one thing, the defense and the rebounding
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is what sets a lot of teams apart. And, you know,
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that's the one thing I think I'm pleased with is
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the effort, which is nice to see.
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So as it pertains to make or miss, this is
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just basketball, right? Sometimes the shots fall, sometimes they don't.
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But the shots were falling in the second half last night.
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Was there a different schematic approach or is it just, again,
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basketball at times can be a make or miss game?
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No, it is.
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It is.
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I mean, it is a make or miss game. And that's,
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you know, going back to the point we were talking
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about early with defense is You know, nobody makes all their,
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I mean, nobody makes their shots every game, but you
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know what? You can defend every game. That's one thing
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you have control over a hundred percent. And, you know,
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I think being at home and we tried to, on offense,
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we tried to give them confidence and be aggressive with
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it when you're open. Still have a lot to work
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on on that end of the floor, but no, it's always,
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it's always nicer when, when you make shots and you're
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a better team and I'm a better coach when, when
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your team makes shots.
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I'm even a better radio host when you guys make
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shots out. That's how important it is for the ball
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to go in the basket.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's all we need to do. We just need to
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make shots and we'll be fine.
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Indeed. You know, we could just end the interview, but
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I'll keep you for a few more minutes because I
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do want to get to know some of these young men,
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and I want our community to get to know some
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of your players because they had me up at the
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Red Zone store about a month and a half ago,
469
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and they marched all the kids through. And I was
470
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able to spend five or six minutes with pretty much
471
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all of them. I think there were 10 players. or
472
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11 of your players there that day for the show.
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And I want to start with Jackson. Jackson Holcomb, of course,
474
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UVU fans know Jackson. He had 20 points last night.
475
00:24:31.809 --> 00:24:34.450
It feels to me like he's kind of, you know,
476
00:24:34.509 --> 00:24:36.410
and you tell me, because obviously I'm not up there
477
00:24:36.450 --> 00:24:38.220
like you are, but it feels like he's kind of
478
00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:41.740
a leader of the group, a really competitive kid that
479
00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:45.500
might be one of your main tone setters. Is that
480
00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:45.960
fair to say?
481
00:24:47.529 --> 00:24:49.769
Yeah, no, that'd be more than fair to say.
482
00:24:49.789 --> 00:24:49.990
Yep.
483
00:24:50.089 --> 00:24:53.039
Yep. He is definitely one of our, you know, you
484
00:24:53.059 --> 00:24:55.880
always hesitate to use the word leaders, but, uh, he
485
00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.720
is the tone setter and, uh, you know, he's, you know, his, his, uh,
486
00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:02.640
his story is a good one, you know, not a
487
00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:06.009
highly recruited kid and where he, what he's done to
488
00:25:06.029 --> 00:25:10.950
get himself to this point is, uh, you know, admirable and, uh,
489
00:25:11.250 --> 00:25:14.720
and he's older and he's kind of been there and
490
00:25:14.779 --> 00:25:16.859
gotten himself to this point, like I said. So I think,
491
00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:20.559
you know, that gives him credibility when he, uh, leads
492
00:25:20.660 --> 00:25:23.960
or talks to the other guys in the team. But yeah, no, he's,
493
00:25:24.019 --> 00:25:28.390
he's definitely one of our focal points on and off
494
00:25:28.430 --> 00:25:28.730
the court.
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00:25:29.619 --> 00:25:32.619
One of the kids who just struck me really quickly was, uh,
496
00:25:32.660 --> 00:25:36.559
was Trey, Trey Campbell. You can just tell, uh, you
497
00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.380
can tell when there's confidence, uh, inside of a basketball player,
498
00:25:40.460 --> 00:25:41.920
even though with Trey, it might be a little bit
499
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:43.930
more quiet confidence. You can tell there's a little bit
500
00:25:44.009 --> 00:25:47.130
of a killer inside of Trey. So let's learn about
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00:25:47.170 --> 00:25:49.630
Trey Campbell. What was his path that led him to
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00:25:49.789 --> 00:25:50.630
the university of Utah?
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00:25:52.490 --> 00:25:56.829
You know, Trey, Trey Campbell, he, uh, played four years
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00:25:56.849 --> 00:26:02.930
at Northern Iowa, uh, He's a fifth-year kid and, again, older. He's, like,
505
00:26:03.009 --> 00:26:07.200
an experienced, which helps us, and, you know, quiet kid.
506
00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:10.160
But like you said, like, he's been there, doesn't get
507
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:14.470
phased very well. I mean, phased a lot, but, you know,
508
00:26:14.529 --> 00:26:20.670
he's very steady. And again, like, like a lot of
509
00:26:20.769 --> 00:26:24.420
other guys on our team, really trying to have him
510
00:26:24.500 --> 00:26:27.059
take a step. Like he, I think we're going to
511
00:26:27.380 --> 00:26:30.259
ask him to do maybe a little bit more than
512
00:26:30.299 --> 00:26:32.319
he has in the past. And that doesn't necessarily mean
513
00:26:32.380 --> 00:26:35.220
scoring or shooting, but, but great kid grew up in,
514
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:40.029
in I forget if it's Cedar Falls or Cedar Rapids
515
00:26:40.069 --> 00:26:43.910
where Northern Iowa is grew up there, went to school
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00:26:43.970 --> 00:26:47.180
for four years there. And then, And, you know, with
517
00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:49.579
all these fifth year guys, he's one of the fifth
518
00:26:49.619 --> 00:26:53.000
year guys. And we, you know, we had, you know,
519
00:26:53.180 --> 00:26:55.549
we had the Israeli point guard we had, which he
520
00:26:55.569 --> 00:26:59.890
didn't get eligible. And then we pivoted and are really
521
00:26:59.950 --> 00:27:03.970
fortunate to have Trey. Like in some ways, like it
522
00:27:04.089 --> 00:27:06.890
changes our team, but in some ways... You never know
523
00:27:06.930 --> 00:27:09.420
in the long run if you can end up being
524
00:27:09.460 --> 00:27:11.720
better or not. Because, like, I'll tell you this, even
525
00:27:11.740 --> 00:27:14.519
with the Europeans, sorry to ramble on, but even with
526
00:27:14.539 --> 00:27:17.339
the Europeans, even if, say, they're 21 and they come
527
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:21.710
over here, they're still freshmen because the game's different. And,
528
00:27:21.809 --> 00:27:24.829
you know, like I said with Trey earlier, having played
529
00:27:24.890 --> 00:27:28.269
four years, it really helps us out a lot, especially
530
00:27:28.289 --> 00:27:29.329
at the point guard position.
531
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:32.619
Yeah, I think there's a lot to like with Trey.
532
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:35.970
Never apologize for rambling on during a four-hour sports talk
533
00:27:36.009 --> 00:27:38.890
radio show, Al. I need you to ramble on, so
534
00:27:38.910 --> 00:27:40.150
we need to take up the space.
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00:27:40.250 --> 00:27:43.099
Okay, I can.
536
00:27:43.299 --> 00:27:43.819
I can then.
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00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:48.500
Okay, perfect. All right, Tayson Chapman hit the shot last
538
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:52.240
night to send the game to overtime. And just another
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00:27:52.289 --> 00:27:54.130
kid who I was able to sit down with and
540
00:27:54.609 --> 00:27:57.069
chat and just was very impressed. And it looks like
541
00:27:57.210 --> 00:28:01.869
if the exhibition schedule is any indicator, you're expecting Tayson
542
00:28:01.890 --> 00:28:04.150
to play a big role on your team this year, yeah?
543
00:28:04.690 --> 00:28:04.930
Yeah.
544
00:28:05.730 --> 00:28:06.390
Yeah, yeah.
545
00:28:06.450 --> 00:28:10.799
Tayson came to us. He played at Ohio State last year.
546
00:28:11.549 --> 00:28:14.859
And Jason is very talented, has a really good feel
547
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:18.170
for the game. And, you know, he's not alone in
548
00:28:18.210 --> 00:28:21.549
this part of it, but just the defensive, he could
549
00:28:21.589 --> 00:28:26.079
be I tell all the guys in our team is like,
550
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.109
I can't think that you're better than you are, but
551
00:28:29.140 --> 00:28:31.269
you know, it's like the little things like, but we're
552
00:28:31.289 --> 00:28:32.710
going to rely on him a lot, but if he
553
00:28:32.730 --> 00:28:34.990
could ramp it up just a little, I mean, little
554
00:28:35.029 --> 00:28:37.490
bit and get the habit of doing that, he could
555
00:28:37.529 --> 00:28:39.369
be really good. Like I said, he has, he has
556
00:28:39.410 --> 00:28:42.109
a feel for the game. That's hard to coach. Now
557
00:28:42.150 --> 00:28:46.730
he just needs to, you know, add the, the consistent, uh,
558
00:28:48.049 --> 00:28:52.079
concentration and playing every possession like it's the last one
559
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:57.900
of the game. He's a good shooter, good passer, and
560
00:28:58.839 --> 00:28:59.940
could be really good for us.
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00:28:59.940 --> 00:29:04.509
I was able to also chat with Malik Goma last night,
562
00:29:04.529 --> 00:29:06.930
10-9 for you. I believe he was your leading rebounder.
563
00:29:07.690 --> 00:29:10.690
Of course, some local flavor with Weber State, but just
564
00:29:10.750 --> 00:29:14.430
another kid that I enjoyed talking with. I really feel
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00:29:14.470 --> 00:29:16.490
like you've got a much different group. I don't want
566
00:29:16.509 --> 00:29:20.930
to disparage Last year at all. But after chatting with
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00:29:21.059 --> 00:29:23.140
all of these kids up at the Red Zone store,
568
00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:26.960
there's a connectivity with them. I feel like they get
569
00:29:27.019 --> 00:29:31.680
along and they also compete. But tell us about Malik Goma, 6'8, senior.
570
00:29:33.849 --> 00:29:36.789
Malik was kind of late in the game and he was,
571
00:29:36.970 --> 00:29:39.250
I think, you know, it happened quick. Like a lot
572
00:29:39.269 --> 00:29:42.319
of these, it's kind of interesting cause it's changed. Like,
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00:29:42.339 --> 00:29:46.200
you know, you can, um, recruit kids for, for a
574
00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:48.960
year or more and not get them. And a lot
575
00:29:48.980 --> 00:29:52.599
of these guys, it happens pretty fast, but, uh, no,
576
00:29:52.619 --> 00:29:56.140
we came, uh, came across Malik and again, another older player,
577
00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:01.539
mature played at Weaver state. Um, was it Seattle before that,
578
00:30:01.579 --> 00:30:05.460
I believe, and just very mature and grown up, which
579
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:09.990
again helps the collective, the group. And, you know, last night,
580
00:30:10.009 --> 00:30:14.349
you know, dove on the fork or loose ball, got
581
00:30:14.390 --> 00:30:18.630
a couple offensive rebounds off miss free throws, but yeah,
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00:30:18.710 --> 00:30:22.230
great guy to have a board. And, you know, hopefully
583
00:30:22.250 --> 00:30:26.289
we get a big shot or center who's out back.
584
00:30:26.329 --> 00:30:29.900
And that'll, I think that'll take pressure off of, Malik
585
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:34.009
and a lot of guys. But yeah, no, Malik's wonderful.
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00:30:34.049 --> 00:30:36.150
And I'll say this about the guys. And again, I'm
587
00:30:36.170 --> 00:30:38.950
not disparaging last year's group at all either. It's just
588
00:30:39.529 --> 00:30:44.539
a more mature group, just in age. And, you know,
589
00:30:44.619 --> 00:30:48.279
in dinners, it's interesting. Dinners we've had with them, like
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00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.519
they're not on their phones. It seems like with this generation,
591
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:54.539
everybody's on their phone all the time. I'm not saying
592
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:56.859
they're never on their phone, but when we have dinner,
593
00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:01.140
they're interacting, and I think they really enjoy being around
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00:31:01.180 --> 00:31:04.500
each other. Well, other than practicing for four or five
595
00:31:04.539 --> 00:31:06.220
months before a game, you can kind of get sick
596
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:10.849
of each other, but I think they really enjoy being
597
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:11.480
around each other.
598
00:31:11.509 --> 00:31:14.869
I want to ask you about one more individual player,
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00:31:15.069 --> 00:31:16.769
and then we'll get to some thoughts about the group,
600
00:31:16.789 --> 00:31:19.500
and then I'll set you loose, but I was also... And,
601
00:31:19.940 --> 00:31:22.660
you know, I don't know that T.J. Birch is one
602
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:24.779
of your older players, but he's played a lot of
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00:31:24.859 --> 00:31:33.440
meaningful basketball, NCAA tournament games, conference championship games, tournament championship games.
604
00:31:33.460 --> 00:31:36.109
He was the Horizon League Defensive Player of the Year.
605
00:31:36.809 --> 00:31:38.609
And just another one of these guards you have. And,
606
00:31:38.619 --> 00:31:41.730
of course, I am one that is biased towards the
607
00:31:41.769 --> 00:31:44.329
guard line, of course. I wasn't 6'8, like you, Al,
608
00:31:44.490 --> 00:31:47.150
if only. But tell us about T.J. Birch, what you
609
00:31:47.170 --> 00:31:47.750
like about T.J.
610
00:31:49.299 --> 00:31:51.460
No, no. TJ, you know, the first thing I'll say
611
00:31:51.500 --> 00:31:57.039
about TJ is, is a very competitive and every, every
612
00:31:57.109 --> 00:32:00.910
practice every day plays as hard as he can. You know,
613
00:32:01.029 --> 00:32:03.569
it's great. And like you mentioned last year, being the
614
00:32:03.609 --> 00:32:06.009
defensive player of the year at Wright state, you know,
615
00:32:06.970 --> 00:32:09.130
he played more and more as the year went on
616
00:32:09.750 --> 00:32:11.670
and he had a lot to do with Wright state's
617
00:32:11.750 --> 00:32:15.250
run and getting into tournament. Now, you know, I tell
618
00:32:15.289 --> 00:32:17.789
him all the time, you got to take that competitiveness
619
00:32:17.890 --> 00:32:21.430
and kind of bottle it. Cause like he, he wants
620
00:32:21.490 --> 00:32:24.049
it so bad, but like, again, he's young, but just
621
00:32:24.089 --> 00:32:27.279
like the patient and picking your spots, you're like last night,
622
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:29.019
he had a great, he had a great, he picked
623
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:30.519
a kid, went and did a layup, but then he
624
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.420
got all ramped up and kind of gave up five
625
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:35.680
points after that, trying to.
626
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:36.220
Do it again.
627
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.460
But, um, and I, I tell him all the time, like,
628
00:32:39.660 --> 00:32:43.289
that's a great problem to have as a coach and is,
629
00:32:43.470 --> 00:32:45.349
you know, telling the kids to kind of ramp it
630
00:32:45.390 --> 00:32:49.170
back and just buy your time. So, but yeah, TJ,
631
00:32:49.250 --> 00:32:53.289
TJ is great, very competitive, makes the group more competitive.
632
00:32:53.430 --> 00:32:58.390
And as he learns to pick his, pick his moments,
633
00:32:59.150 --> 00:33:01.910
he'll be, he would be really good because he can change.
634
00:33:01.950 --> 00:33:03.559
He can change a game with his defense.
635
00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:05.079
Yeah.
636
00:33:05.099 --> 00:33:05.259
Yeah.
637
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:06.460
You can tell it can really guard.
638
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:07.339
All right.
639
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.240
Let's just pan back and talk about your team. Big
640
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:13.470
picture now. And, Look, the Big 12, year in and
641
00:33:13.490 --> 00:33:18.250
year out, for our football fan listeners, the Big 12
642
00:33:18.250 --> 00:33:21.109
is one of, if not the best, college basketball conferences
643
00:33:21.150 --> 00:33:24.509
in America. Maybe it's the SEC. Maybe some years it's
644
00:33:24.529 --> 00:33:28.190
the ACC. But the Big 12 consistency certainly is there
645
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:31.259
at the top, top to bottom, quite frankly. And so
646
00:33:31.339 --> 00:33:33.759
no one's expecting you guys to go win the league
647
00:33:33.779 --> 00:33:36.220
or win a national championship, Al. But I think it's
648
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:39.049
safe to say we... all of us who really support
649
00:33:39.089 --> 00:33:41.630
you are hoping that it is better than it was
650
00:33:41.670 --> 00:33:44.650
a year ago is how I would characterize that. You
651
00:33:44.690 --> 00:33:47.000
tell us why you think it will be better this
652
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:48.099
year than it was last year.
653
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:51.539
You know, and I'll say this and I've said it
654
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.740
a lot of times, Spence, like when deciding to take
655
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:56.559
the job and when I take the job, I think
656
00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:58.690
the one thing, everybody will say it, but I think
657
00:33:58.750 --> 00:34:03.829
it's unique with us is like we make decisions for like,
658
00:34:04.170 --> 00:34:06.490
not for the next six, seven months, but it's like
659
00:34:07.500 --> 00:34:10.239
for the next two, three, four years, right? You want
660
00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:12.579
to build it and grow it. And again, one thing
661
00:34:12.619 --> 00:34:17.429
I was blessed with from Coach Majerus was you don't
662
00:34:17.469 --> 00:34:20.730
think anything past the next game. Like if you talk
663
00:34:20.769 --> 00:34:23.309
about goals, obviously I think we'll be better next year,
664
00:34:23.349 --> 00:34:25.250
but like we got to beat Long Beach State in
665
00:34:25.269 --> 00:34:29.269
a couple of weeks and just go from there. And
666
00:34:29.309 --> 00:34:31.050
I think if you get the right group, I think
667
00:34:31.090 --> 00:34:32.679
we have more time and we got to get the
668
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:34.559
right group of kids. I think we'll get be much
669
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.690
better as the year goes on. And, and I told
670
00:34:37.710 --> 00:34:40.469
them last night after the game, like, like really win
671
00:34:40.510 --> 00:34:46.110
or lose, don't beat yourself and do the right things.
672
00:34:46.170 --> 00:34:48.929
And I think you'll be in a good spot. And to, to,
673
00:34:49.050 --> 00:34:50.949
I mean, I just got back from media day, that
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00:34:51.010 --> 00:34:53.860
big 12 and, you know, it's been, it's kind of
675
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:57.139
great that we were picked last in some polls, which
676
00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.300
is right. I don't have to say much about that
677
00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:02.519
to be, have that be a motivational factor for our guys,
678
00:35:03.179 --> 00:35:07.070
but the big 12 last year was the best conference ever. in,
679
00:35:07.949 --> 00:35:10.349
in college. And this year I think it will be too.
680
00:35:10.489 --> 00:35:14.849
I mean, you top to bottom, it's incredible. And I
681
00:35:15.289 --> 00:35:17.389
was thinking about this the other day, if you go
682
00:35:17.449 --> 00:35:22.510
through every coach in the big 12, it's pretty remarkable.
683
00:35:23.619 --> 00:35:26.639
Like they've all done it at a high level for
684
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:29.099
a long time. A lot of guys, multiple schools, but
685
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:33.320
it's a, it's actually, you know, that's what you want.
686
00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:36.340
If you were a fan, like, you know, you get,
687
00:35:36.510 --> 00:35:39.039
you know, some of the team, like Tad Boyle, for instance,
688
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.300
he's overachieved for 30 years. Like I've really grown to
689
00:35:43.340 --> 00:35:45.519
respect him and what he's done. And, you know, he
690
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:49.119
gets good players. He can't, he can't afford to keep
691
00:35:49.139 --> 00:35:52.039
a lot of them, but, but the big 12 is
692
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.019
it's going to be fun. And it's a challenge every night.
693
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:56.960
There's not going to be, there's not going to be
694
00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:58.760
one game where you think, okay, well we can get
695
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:03.159
this one. And, but no, I'm excited. It's a good team.
696
00:36:03.260 --> 00:36:06.760
We will be better than next year. How that translates
697
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:08.559
into wins and losses and where we're at at the
698
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:10.760
end of the year, I don't know, but I'm pretty
699
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:12.460
confident that we'll be better than last year.
700
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:16.079
Yeah, I mean, look, I get it. Well said. And
701
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:18.500
all you can control is doing the right thing every
702
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:23.500
day and instilling good habits in your players. Do they
703
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seem to be receptive to the message? Are these kids
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that want to be coached? Do you think they understand
705
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:29.219
what you're asking of them?
706
00:36:30.820 --> 00:36:32.820
You know, that, you know, it's interesting you say that because,
707
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.000
you know, in a couple of text conversations I had
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00:36:35.059 --> 00:36:37.239
last night, that was one thing I complimented them on
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00:36:39.099 --> 00:36:43.199
is that they, they accept and respond to criticism really,
710
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:43.800
really well.
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00:36:44.409 --> 00:36:44.679
Okay.
712
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And, and then there's a, you mentioned Holcomb and Goma
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and Trey, you know, being older, there's a, there's a little,
714
00:36:53.409 --> 00:36:55.670
there's kind of, there's motivation within the group where it
715
00:36:55.730 --> 00:36:58.190
doesn't always have to come from me or, or the staff,
716
00:36:58.829 --> 00:37:00.349
which is, which is a really nice thing.
717
00:37:02.449 --> 00:37:05.050
All right, Al, before I say you lose, we– sorry,
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00:37:05.070 --> 00:37:06.010
go ahead and finish your thought.
719
00:37:06.829 --> 00:37:07.329
No, go ahead.
720
00:37:07.590 --> 00:37:08.050
No, go ahead.
721
00:37:08.170 --> 00:37:09.130
I was just going to say– I've got a lot
722
00:37:09.150 --> 00:37:09.489
of thoughts.
723
00:37:09.510 --> 00:37:10.230
Yeah, go ahead.
724
00:37:10.550 --> 00:37:13.489
I want all the thoughts. I want a little Alex
725
00:37:13.530 --> 00:37:15.739
Jensen thought bubble over your head at all times so
726
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:18.039
I know exactly what you're thinking because sometimes it's not
727
00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:21.019
that easy to tell. I think Natalie would agree with me.
728
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.940
No, no, yeah, she gets frustrated too. It's not always
729
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:30.630
a good thing. I tend to– say things I think
730
00:37:30.670 --> 00:37:32.349
that I, and I don't think I say them or
731
00:37:32.389 --> 00:37:36.699
vice versa, but, uh, no, I'm, I'm excited for the year.
732
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.360
And I was, I was just gonna, um, say the
733
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.380
one other thing about the group and like, we had
734
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.440
a year leading up to the portal and the process.
735
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:48.780
And I think, uh, and, and it seems like a
736
00:37:48.820 --> 00:37:52.519
small thing, but like truly, I think almost every guy
737
00:37:52.539 --> 00:37:56.320
came to Utah because I think they wanted to be here.
738
00:37:56.860 --> 00:37:59.699
If that makes sense. It's kind of like, Like if
739
00:37:59.739 --> 00:38:02.570
you want them and they want you, the money tends
740
00:38:02.610 --> 00:38:04.889
to work out, which is a nice thing. And I think,
741
00:38:05.010 --> 00:38:07.489
you know, going back to the point I made on
742
00:38:07.750 --> 00:38:12.639
thinking about the future, I think you do that and
743
00:38:13.070 --> 00:38:16.119
do things right by them. I think, you know, hopefully
744
00:38:16.139 --> 00:38:21.119
in a year, you'll be able to have a little
745
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:23.260
more retention, which is something as a coach, like you
746
00:38:23.300 --> 00:38:25.010
love it, right? It's a lot easier. And I think
747
00:38:25.070 --> 00:38:28.300
especially for fans in Utah, When you get to watch
748
00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:30.280
a kid for two or three years, it's a lot
749
00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:33.090
more enjoyable. And it is for me, too, to be
750
00:38:33.139 --> 00:38:34.789
able to. That was the fun thing about college is
751
00:38:34.809 --> 00:38:38.230
you see a kid grow from his freshman to junior
752
00:38:38.250 --> 00:38:41.730
year or whatever it is. So excited about that.
753
00:38:41.750 --> 00:38:44.139
Yeah, no, I agree. I've got one more for you,
754
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.539
then I'll set you loose. So we had President Randall,
755
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:50.119
Taylor Randall, was on the podcast and the show this week. And,
756
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:52.880
you know, he is a Utah fan, an Olympus High
757
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.650
School fan. When he was in grad school at Philadelphia,
758
00:38:55.670 --> 00:38:59.280
he told the story about driving to the Final Four
759
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.599
30 hours from Philly to go see you guys in
760
00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:04.960
the National Championship against Kentucky. So he is a fan,
761
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:06.960
and he's a fan of yours, and he wants to
762
00:39:07.019 --> 00:39:11.179
see you succeed. I wonder what you would say about
763
00:39:11.699 --> 00:39:15.860
trying to build this thing in the modern-day realities of
764
00:39:15.900 --> 00:39:18.440
college athletics and the type of support you're getting from
765
00:39:18.469 --> 00:39:21.960
the administration today. that is a necessary deal. When it
766
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:26.159
comes to the current ecosystem of college athletics, what's what's
767
00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:28.099
it like to figure all this out together and you
768
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.380
know make sure you're getting the support you need from
769
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.179
the people that need to give you the support that
770
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:33.420
you need if that makes sense.
771
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.130
No it does i'll say this taylor like you said
772
00:39:37.170 --> 00:39:40.210
he's a he's a utah man and uh i'm not
773
00:39:40.230 --> 00:39:43.170
saying i wouldn't have taken the job but but i
774
00:39:43.210 --> 00:39:46.309
think he was just talking to him on a zoom
775
00:39:46.369 --> 00:39:52.880
call um um, really, really, I think had a lot
776
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.639
to do with me coming here. Cause that's the, the
777
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.389
one thing you don't necessarily have to be from here,
778
00:39:57.449 --> 00:40:01.110
but like Taylor, I think he, like me when he
779
00:40:01.130 --> 00:40:04.590
took the job, like he didn't, he doesn't, he doesn't
780
00:40:04.630 --> 00:40:07.250
want to go to a better job. He doesn't want
781
00:40:07.349 --> 00:40:10.489
anything other than to make the place better. Right. And
782
00:40:10.530 --> 00:40:13.389
I think we share in that now, you know, the,
783
00:40:13.469 --> 00:40:17.809
the evolving landscape in college and, You know, there's a,
784
00:40:18.250 --> 00:40:20.989
like we're playing catch up in a lot of ways,
785
00:40:21.090 --> 00:40:24.670
but I think we've made a lot of progress in
786
00:40:24.690 --> 00:40:25.329
the last year.
787
00:40:26.329 --> 00:40:26.550
Yeah.
788
00:40:26.610 --> 00:40:28.110
And I think, I think we'll can, you know, if
789
00:40:28.150 --> 00:40:31.340
we can continue to improve, I think, you know, cause
790
00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:33.960
being from here, I think we have everything we need
791
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:34.420
here to win.
792
00:40:35.739 --> 00:40:35.840
Right.
793
00:40:35.860 --> 00:40:38.079
It's just a matter of putting it in places. It seems,
794
00:40:38.099 --> 00:40:40.429
you know, there's a lot, how do you say it?
795
00:40:40.460 --> 00:40:44.429
There's a lot of, Try to streamline the whole process,
796
00:40:44.449 --> 00:40:48.719
which isn't the easiest thing, but I think I have
797
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:51.360
no doubt that we could be consistently successful here.
798
00:40:53.179 --> 00:40:55.980
Well, look, of course, pulling for you here for whatever
799
00:40:56.019 --> 00:40:58.300
we can do for you. If it's only getting people
800
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.699
up to the Huntsman Center, we'll continue to tell people
801
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.070
that's what we need to support you, and congrats on
802
00:41:03.090 --> 00:41:05.869
the win last night, Al. Thanks for the time, man.
803
00:41:05.909 --> 00:41:06.969
Be well. We'll chat soon, okay?
804
00:41:08.349 --> 00:41:09.710
Yeah, will do. Thanks, Spence.
805
00:41:11.050 --> 00:41:13.949
All right, there you go. Alex Jensen, head coach of
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00:41:14.110 --> 00:41:16.570
Utah basketball. They got a good win last night against
807
00:41:16.690 --> 00:41:21.300
Oregon a week off before Long Beach State is in
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00:41:21.380 --> 00:41:25.000
town on Monday, November the 2nd, as we begin the
809
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:29.320
college basketball season. It is 624 East, 400 South. This
810
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.300
is the spot to get your gear for Saturday night.
811
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.820
It is a blackout, and right when you walk in
812
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:38.429
the front door, Here at Rally House at 624 East
813
00:41:38.429 --> 00:41:40.969
400 South, you will be inundated with a bunch of
814
00:41:41.230 --> 00:41:47.170
options for the blackout game on Saturday. We've got black sweatshirts, t-shirts.
815
00:41:47.190 --> 00:41:49.969
We have official game day sweatshirts and t-shirts. We have
816
00:41:50.010 --> 00:41:53.699
Devin Dampier t-shirts. There's an entire section for the women
817
00:41:53.739 --> 00:41:56.860
as well. It's a great spot. They've got mammoth gear.
818
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.800
They've got jazz gear. We're taking care of our BYU brethren.
819
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.639
We love you too. There's a BYU fan spot as well.
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00:42:03.460 --> 00:42:08.269
Utah State, in addition, whoever you support, we have gear here,
821
00:42:08.309 --> 00:42:10.530
and it's the best gear you're going to find at
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Rally House at 624 East. It's 624 East, 400 South,
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00:42:16.150 --> 00:42:18.349
right in the heart of downtown Salt Lake City, Utah.
824
00:42:19.989 --> 00:42:22.889
We are broadcasting live at a brand-new spot today. It's
825
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Rally House. They have locations all across the country, and
826
00:42:26.989 --> 00:42:30.000
now there's a location in Salt Lake City, and it
827
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.320
is awesome. The best U gear you're going to find.
828
00:42:34.019 --> 00:42:36.139
We're taking care of our BYU brethren. We love you
829
00:42:36.179 --> 00:42:40.760
guys as well. We've got some BYU gear, Utah State gear,
830
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:44.929
Mammoth gear. We've got a lot of gear from the
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00:42:44.989 --> 00:42:46.969
football teams that seem to draw a lot of interest
832
00:42:47.010 --> 00:42:50.969
around here, the Raiders, the Broncos, all the West Coast teams,
833
00:42:51.349 --> 00:42:55.050
the Niners. It is a brand-new spot, 624 East, 400 South,
834
00:42:55.610 --> 00:42:59.539
here in Salt Lake City, Utah, right next to Trader Joe's, okay,
835
00:42:59.579 --> 00:43:03.579
for frame of reference. We also have Jazz Gear, okay?
836
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:05.719
And after last night, you might not want to buy
837
00:43:05.780 --> 00:43:08.360
Jazz Gear yet, but it's game one of 82. If
838
00:43:08.380 --> 00:43:11.840
you had Ty Jerome MVP chance on your bingo card
839
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.840
for night one, you are the lucky winner. And it's
840
00:43:15.889 --> 00:43:18.130
time now to buckle up with the TV voice of
841
00:43:18.150 --> 00:43:20.630
the Utah Jazz, Craig Bowler, Jack Bowler. We're going to
842
00:43:20.650 --> 00:43:22.230
be chatting about a team that's going to win a
843
00:43:22.269 --> 00:43:24.630
lot of games, but unfortunately today is not that day.
844
00:43:24.670 --> 00:43:28.889
My friend. No, no, not at all. Pressure defense, you
845
00:43:28.929 --> 00:43:31.469
saw what I saw, and Will Hardy talked about it
846
00:43:31.510 --> 00:43:35.480
in shoot-around yesterday. Spence was beware of the Grizzlies pressuring
847
00:43:35.539 --> 00:43:40.920
on every make, and they were hellish on D. And
848
00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:43.159
I thought just really threw the Jazz off. After the
849
00:43:43.179 --> 00:43:45.300
first quarter, by the way, the Jazz had a nine-point
850
00:43:45.380 --> 00:43:50.510
lead and trailed pretty much after the second quarter. It
851
00:43:51.170 --> 00:43:55.079
was quite a blitz and tied Jerome down. Only, like,
852
00:43:55.179 --> 00:43:58.920
played 15 games last year. Had calf and ankle injuries. And,
853
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:03.179
you know, yeah, he's the MVP, right, after 48 minutes
854
00:44:03.219 --> 00:44:06.260
of basketball. Yeah, it's just one of those nights you
855
00:44:06.300 --> 00:44:10.300
get blitzed. And he was the blitzer. Pretty impressive. But
856
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:13.260
the Jazz, they went back to work today, Spence. They
857
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.840
had a noon practice, which you think is a bit odd.
858
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:18.179
We flew in at 2 o'clock last night, 2 a.m.
859
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:20.820
And Will said, nope, we're going back to work. And
860
00:44:20.860 --> 00:44:24.030
I like that. And, of course, the big home opener
861
00:44:24.070 --> 00:44:27.070
tomorrow night against New Orleans. So, yeah, it's all business.
862
00:44:27.230 --> 00:44:30.610
Will is coaching. He's been waiting for this opportunity. He
863
00:44:30.650 --> 00:44:33.429
wants to fix things. And I think it's the right call.
864
00:44:34.809 --> 00:44:36.429
I do want to be clear about one thing. Like,
865
00:44:36.489 --> 00:44:40.369
Ty Jerome isn't a bad player. Okay? He's a good player.
866
00:44:40.489 --> 00:44:45.440
He's a starting caliber guard in this league. He's not
867
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:48.480
what we saw last night, though. And, look, Craig, here's
868
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:50.099
the deal, man. And you know it as well as
869
00:44:50.139 --> 00:44:54.510
anybody else. Last night felt like a continuation of the
870
00:44:54.550 --> 00:44:57.550
last four years. It has to look better than it
871
00:44:57.590 --> 00:45:01.170
did last night. And it does start with the desire
872
00:45:01.289 --> 00:45:04.269
and willingness to do hard things to win basketball games.
873
00:45:04.369 --> 00:45:08.130
And that is get down and dirty, point of attack defense.
874
00:45:08.769 --> 00:45:11.360
And this comes down to Keontae and Darren. And look,
875
00:45:11.380 --> 00:45:14.300
Darren is a teenager. And it's going to take him
876
00:45:14.340 --> 00:45:16.739
some time to find his footing, as it does with
877
00:45:16.820 --> 00:45:20.909
all rookies, unless you're named like LeBron. But ultimately, if
878
00:45:20.949 --> 00:45:23.269
you're a Jazz fan, I just think you walked away
879
00:45:23.309 --> 00:45:25.500
from that game last night with this gut feeling that
880
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:26.519
is here we go again.
881
00:45:27.500 --> 00:45:28.079
Yeah, yeah.
882
00:45:28.139 --> 00:45:30.300
Kind of like we've been there, done that. You know,
883
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:33.079
the last four seasons, really ever since COVID, when the
884
00:45:33.139 --> 00:45:36.809
changes happened with Quinn and you move on from Rudy
885
00:45:36.929 --> 00:45:40.550
and Donovan, it's just been an uphill, you know, rebuild, basically.
886
00:45:41.610 --> 00:45:43.650
You know, there's a lot of hype. Will, I think,
887
00:45:43.710 --> 00:45:46.230
is trying to keep it in perspective like a head
888
00:45:46.269 --> 00:45:50.519
coach has to. Everyone else can get excited and make
889
00:45:50.579 --> 00:45:55.300
statements about postseason play and 40-plus wins. But he told
890
00:45:55.340 --> 00:45:57.760
us again in his pressure last night, just a reminder,
891
00:45:57.780 --> 00:46:00.519
which I think is good. He goes, you know, we
892
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:03.739
will not be who we are. Whatever happens tonight, win
893
00:46:03.780 --> 00:46:06.480
or lose. And, you know, it kind of makes sense
894
00:46:06.579 --> 00:46:09.820
because I like the first quarter because There were some
895
00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:14.409
good things going on, but then foul trouble for Triple J.
896
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:20.389
Brandon Clark last night, they did a beautiful remembrance video
897
00:46:20.449 --> 00:46:24.969
before tip-off. I think Triple J was incredibly emotional about
898
00:46:25.010 --> 00:46:27.309
all of this and coming back to Memphis and then
899
00:46:27.329 --> 00:46:31.369
he fouls out. Just never got rhythm. And again, I
900
00:46:31.409 --> 00:46:35.179
think defense, as you said, you have to be– You
901
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.909
have to be totally dedicated, and that's what Will Hardy
902
00:46:37.949 --> 00:46:39.829
is still trying to preach, is do you want to win?
903
00:46:40.329 --> 00:46:42.030
You can't do it by yourself. It's got to be
904
00:46:42.090 --> 00:46:44.489
a team concept on the defensive side.
905
00:46:46.090 --> 00:46:48.730
So when it comes to what we're going to see rotationally,
906
00:46:49.070 --> 00:46:53.670
of course the analysis of this team changed with the
907
00:46:53.710 --> 00:46:57.340
Walker-Kessler decision, and Walker-Kessler had an awesome game for the
908
00:46:57.380 --> 00:47:00.400
Lakers last night. And then, you know, you feel pretty
909
00:47:00.460 --> 00:47:02.460
confident they're going to be able to be fine there
910
00:47:02.500 --> 00:47:05.280
with Yusuf Nurkic, who played well for Will last year.
911
00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:07.909
Then he gets hurt. So now we're left with this
912
00:47:07.989 --> 00:47:12.429
mix of, you know, Jackson Hayes as your starter. Maybe
913
00:47:12.469 --> 00:47:14.010
some Filipowski.
914
00:47:13.349 --> 00:47:14.150
Minutes here or there.
915
00:47:14.250 --> 00:47:16.389
Maybe you go with the lineup that I would love
916
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to see, which is Ace in there alongside Larry, Jaron
917
00:47:19.309 --> 00:47:23.949
Jackson Jr., Keontae, and DP. But did we learn anything rotationally?
918
00:47:23.989 --> 00:47:26.230
Jackson Hayes was minus 27 in his 26 minutes last night.
919
00:47:27.860 --> 00:47:30.079
He had six block shots, okay? He's a big, long
920
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:34.579
kid who can jump and bother the opposition. But rotationally,
921
00:47:34.619 --> 00:47:36.599
did we learn anything last night? How do you think
922
00:47:36.659 --> 00:47:38.039
it's going to look moving forward?
923
00:47:39.059 --> 00:47:42.519
I think it's still, you know, they say work in progress.
924
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.670
Will Hardy's words, and I saw it too, Spence, last night.
925
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I mean, defensively, he is a long guy, and he
926
00:47:49.750 --> 00:47:52.789
loves to play rim protection, and he had the six
927
00:47:52.889 --> 00:47:56.210
blocks and the jazz. Overall, I mean, when you just
928
00:47:56.250 --> 00:47:59.869
look at the box score, You got 12 blocks, nine steals,
929
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and you think, wow, they were pretty active on defense,
930
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which they were, but you still got to make shots.
931
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I think the five spot is an unknown still at
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this point. Tony Bradley is here, former Jazz man who
933
00:48:13.980 --> 00:48:16.840
has jumped around the league. Not sure what that will
934
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mean in the long run. Mo Bamba did not play
935
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last night. And you see Filipowski, who's coming off back
936
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surgery tonight, trying to work himself back into basketball shape.
937
00:48:30.670 --> 00:48:33.550
And Flip has the ability to put some points on
938
00:48:33.570 --> 00:48:36.619
the board. I'm not sure if Jackson Hayes can be
939
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:41.059
a double-double guy. I'm talking even 10-9 or 10-10. He
940
00:48:41.099 --> 00:48:44.619
may be the defensive stopper. but there's still maybe not
941
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:47.869
a lot of rebounding that comes at this moment, and
942
00:48:47.889 --> 00:48:50.849
that's got to be another concern for Will. They were
943
00:48:50.889 --> 00:48:55.170
out-rebounded last night by double digits, and second-chance points was
944
00:48:55.230 --> 00:48:56.809
a big, big issue as well.
945
00:48:57.659 --> 00:49:01.519
Tell me what you saw from Darren. Of course, again,
946
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:05.139
as I said, all rookies in this league struggle. There
947
00:49:05.179 --> 00:49:08.869
are very few, and I'll remind people that For the first,
948
00:49:09.150 --> 00:49:11.650
I don't know, maybe 15 to 20 games, Donovan looked
949
00:49:11.750 --> 00:49:15.039
lost until he didn't. And then just turned it around.
950
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:17.809
I want to be very clear. I love this Darren
951
00:49:17.849 --> 00:49:19.980
Peterson kid, and I think he has a chance to win.
952
00:49:20.059 --> 00:49:22.400
be as special of a player as anybody that we've
953
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:24.920
seen i always say with the exception of john and
954
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.610
carl because that's unfair they're hall of famers and two
955
00:49:27.630 --> 00:49:30.269
of the best to ever do it but game one
956
00:49:30.489 --> 00:49:32.829
and then kind of expand a little bit as far
957
00:49:32.869 --> 00:49:34.949
as what you're expecting to see what you saw last
958
00:49:35.010 --> 00:49:37.190
night when what you're expecting to see from darren.
959
00:49:38.139 --> 00:49:40.880
Well, he had nine points. He took seven shots. He
960
00:49:40.900 --> 00:49:45.559
made three. You know, Spencer, that's the other part for
961
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.320
me is how did the shot selections and who gets
962
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:49.880
how many.
963
00:49:49.900 --> 00:49:51.619
I don't know if.
964
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:55.019
That's going to be another, quote, work in progress. I
965
00:49:55.059 --> 00:49:57.900
think 10 games will have some better answers. I mean,
966
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:01.139
we're playing– the Jazz played five games in one week's time.
967
00:50:01.579 --> 00:50:04.920
That began last night through next Wednesday. And I think
968
00:50:04.940 --> 00:50:08.550
a lot of answers will come through. between now and then.
969
00:50:08.570 --> 00:50:13.820
But Peterson, I thought last night, like any 19-year-old playing
970
00:50:13.860 --> 00:50:18.559
in his first NBA game, I don't think he was,
971
00:50:19.860 --> 00:50:22.440
he doesn't have a lot of emotion in his face, right?
972
00:50:22.860 --> 00:50:25.800
So it's hard to read it. But I could still tell, though,
973
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:29.380
he would, like, he doesn't want to get in Chianti's way.
974
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:32.900
And they're going to have to work on that. I think, again,
975
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:36.079
it can be more aggressive. Yes, I think that will come, right,
976
00:50:36.139 --> 00:50:39.400
with confidence. Um, but I still wonder what the shot,
977
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:42.500
the number of shots he'll take will be spent. That
978
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.820
to me is intriguing. Seven attempts last night. And again,
979
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:49.420
I just think he's just trying to, you know, feel
980
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:53.929
the game, understand the defense and the pressure that's out there.
981
00:50:54.050 --> 00:50:58.030
Find a spot. He's an athletic kid. He can streak
982
00:50:58.050 --> 00:50:59.710
to the bucket when he needs to.
983
00:51:00.170 --> 00:51:01.010
Um, I think he could be.
984
00:51:00.949 --> 00:51:06.090
A better rebounder, honestly. Um, So, you know, it's game
985
00:51:06.230 --> 00:51:09.030
one of 82. We'll have this conversation in March, and
986
00:51:09.070 --> 00:51:11.280
we'll go, wow, hey, man, remember back in that first
987
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:13.409
game or two in the first week or two? But,
988
00:51:13.940 --> 00:51:16.380
I mean, they drafted him for a reason at number two.
989
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:19.780
He's an elite ball player with some great skills that
990
00:51:19.820 --> 00:51:22.599
we haven't– you know, those will develop, but not going
991
00:51:22.619 --> 00:51:23.239
to happen overnight.
992
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:28.260
So, look, I am not the coach. I am a
993
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:33.469
media member who blabbers every afternoon– about basketball and football
994
00:51:33.510 --> 00:51:38.119
and such. I just think Ace, at some point, is
995
00:51:38.460 --> 00:51:41.719
going to give Will no choice but to either put
996
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:43.880
him in the starting lineup or play him 30-plus minutes
997
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.739
every night. He had 24 minutes last night. In a
998
00:51:46.780 --> 00:51:50.650
game where they lost by 20, he was minus 5, okay? So,
999
00:51:50.909 --> 00:51:53.010
you know, ultimately in his 24 minutes, the Jazz were
1000
00:51:53.050 --> 00:51:56.809
very competitive. 12 points, hit a couple of threes, had
1001
00:51:56.889 --> 00:52:01.300
five boards, three assists, three block shots. I'm going to
1002
00:52:01.389 --> 00:52:04.789
say this probably for the next two or three years.
1003
00:52:05.449 --> 00:52:08.570
My belief, and I will remind my listeners, Craig works
1004
00:52:08.590 --> 00:52:10.329
for the team, so he cannot say the things that
1005
00:52:10.409 --> 00:52:13.210
I can say on this radio show, but my belief
1006
00:52:13.389 --> 00:52:18.889
is the Jazz timeline is essentially centered on two players,
1007
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.679
and it's Darren and it's Ace, because I think those
1008
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:24.840
two have a chance to be very special players in
1009
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.360
this league. So it wasn't all negative. I thought we
1010
00:52:27.380 --> 00:52:29.119
had great Ace Bailey minutes last night.
1011
00:52:31.110 --> 00:52:34.829
I love Ace, and his maturation has been quicker maybe
1012
00:52:34.869 --> 00:52:38.210
than what we all thought. I saw that during just
1013
00:52:38.230 --> 00:52:40.400
the way that he handled himself in public and with
1014
00:52:40.420 --> 00:52:43.659
the media. He's a more comfortable young man. And look,
1015
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:47.570
when you're drafting 18-, 19-, and 20-year-olds who have one
1016
00:52:47.590 --> 00:52:50.820
year of college experience, That's the way the league is now.
1017
00:52:51.420 --> 00:52:52.599
It's a wait and see.
1018
00:52:52.619 --> 00:52:54.139
But you've got to hit, Spence.
1019
00:52:54.179 --> 00:52:55.900
You've got to hit it two. You've got to hit
1020
00:52:55.940 --> 00:52:58.860
it five. Hopefully that's what the Jazz have done and
1021
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:02.010
then put the other pieces together. You know, you've got veterans.
1022
00:53:02.030 --> 00:53:07.130
You've got two all-stars in marketing and obviously Jaron Jackson Jr. Yeah,
1023
00:53:07.630 --> 00:53:11.989
I think the Walker-Kessler decision will weigh that as the
1024
00:53:12.030 --> 00:53:16.380
season rolls on. Can you play the five-by committee? I'll
1025
00:53:16.409 --> 00:53:18.480
go back to what Will Hardy told me as well.
1026
00:53:19.139 --> 00:53:22.760
You know, that he's not set on anything. You've got
1027
00:53:22.780 --> 00:53:26.280
to have a starting five, Spence, as you said. And
1028
00:53:27.019 --> 00:53:30.860
I think he'll probably work some different combinations. I wouldn't
1029
00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:34.760
be surprised if maybe, you know, tomorrow or sometime before
1030
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.400
the fifth game is that he tinkers with the starting
1031
00:53:37.460 --> 00:53:42.400
five just to get a feel of who works best together. And,
1032
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:45.929
you know, that second unit has to keep leads or
1033
00:53:45.949 --> 00:53:50.400
at least be competitive. And last night, the backcourt pressure
1034
00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:53.750
that Memphis showed, it was rough. It was tough to
1035
00:53:53.769 --> 00:53:56.570
get the ball across and get in your sets and
1036
00:53:56.610 --> 00:53:59.449
not burn a lot of clock. So, I mean, Will
1037
00:53:59.489 --> 00:54:02.489
foresaw that. I thought it was interesting when... He was
1038
00:54:02.550 --> 00:54:06.610
barking that out during shoot-around yesterday. And, man, Memphis came
1039
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:10.280
hard after the first quarter, man. They were pretty tenacious
1040
00:54:10.380 --> 00:54:13.719
even all the way to midcourt on the defensive pressure.
1041
00:54:13.739 --> 00:54:16.300
And I thought it disrupted the backcourt and the rest
1042
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:19.480
of the guys as well. And then you force long threes, right?
1043
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:21.940
And then it turned out that the Jazz couldn't hit
1044
00:54:21.980 --> 00:54:25.280
free throws when they actually got to the free throw line,
1045
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:29.110
which is unlike the Jazz. So, yeah, there are things
1046
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:31.119
to work on. And I can't wait to see how
1047
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:33.820
they bounce back tomorrow night in front of, I know,
1048
00:54:33.860 --> 00:54:36.679
a very anxious home crowd. That play should be rocking.
1049
00:54:36.699 --> 00:54:37.139
I hope it is.
1050
00:54:38.059 --> 00:54:41.599
Yeah, yeah. Home opener tomorrow. Keep that in mind. So
1051
00:54:41.699 --> 00:54:44.199
we get down there and support the Jazz. Let's move
1052
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:48.090
over to Keontae now, who continues to show the ability
1053
00:54:48.130 --> 00:54:50.610
to get to his spots and make shots and continues
1054
00:54:50.670 --> 00:54:53.309
to show that he's working on his body. He's getting stronger.
1055
00:54:53.349 --> 00:54:56.949
He's maturing. I just want to reach through the television
1056
00:54:57.190 --> 00:55:00.800
and shake him and say, will you please just guard
1057
00:55:00.860 --> 00:55:04.579
better at the point of attack? He's got to be
1058
00:55:04.659 --> 00:55:07.179
better bowler on that side of the floor this year,
1059
00:55:07.219 --> 00:55:11.420
and he wasn't last night. I see effort. It's just
1060
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:14.139
more focus and maybe just experience, but it was a
1061
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:17.610
really good Keontae offensive game, and that's kind of what
1062
00:55:17.820 --> 00:55:20.210
he's turned into at this point. Tell me what you
1063
00:55:20.269 --> 00:55:22.469
saw from your seat from Keontae last night.
1064
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:26.719
Yeah, I think that's a good evaluation. I think pickup
1065
00:55:26.820 --> 00:55:30.400
point Spence is kind of where Will Hardy is trying
1066
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.579
to tell all of his players where you pick up
1067
00:55:34.619 --> 00:55:37.409
your opponent, you have to know exactly their weaknesses and
1068
00:55:37.670 --> 00:55:43.130
disrupt it, get everyone out of rhythm. He's an offensive threat,
1069
00:55:43.369 --> 00:55:47.309
and he's got great range, as you said. He's a
1070
00:55:47.349 --> 00:55:52.349
stronger player. He's more mentally engaged, but There's something about
1071
00:55:52.389 --> 00:55:55.929
this league, too, Spence, that I've watched now for five
1072
00:55:55.969 --> 00:56:01.170
or ten years, is that everyone is so obsessed with
1073
00:56:01.190 --> 00:56:03.170
a box score in their hand, right, to see how
1074
00:56:03.210 --> 00:56:08.420
they do offensively. But some players, they go under the
1075
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:12.440
radar without having to score 20, but yet they disrupt
1076
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:14.579
in so many other ways or help their teammates in
1077
00:56:14.619 --> 00:56:17.239
so many other ways. And I think the Jazz made
1078
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:20.679
it clear when they extended Keontae was that they believed
1079
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:23.059
in him and he believed in the Utah Jazz and
1080
00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:27.190
what they all wanted to do together. And I think
1081
00:56:27.230 --> 00:56:30.190
he'll get there. It's just a matter, again, of in
1082
00:56:30.230 --> 00:56:33.849
his fourth year, can he take on all that responsibility?
1083
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:37.239
And can he be the focal point or part of
1084
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:43.130
a defensive scheme that guys play every time they're on
1085
00:56:43.170 --> 00:56:47.269
the floor, every possession, the last three champions in the NBA,
1086
00:56:47.710 --> 00:56:50.869
you know who they are, Boston, Oklahoma city. And last year,
1087
00:56:50.909 --> 00:56:57.409
the Knicks led by Brunson, the commonality, tenacious, constant defensive
1088
00:56:57.449 --> 00:57:00.699
pressure and the willingness to do it. That's the key
1089
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:03.139
word is the willingness to do it. So I think
1090
00:57:03.179 --> 00:57:07.789
that's the process. Again, the jazz are continuing to, to
1091
00:57:07.829 --> 00:57:10.070
work with. And, you know, if you're going to win
1092
00:57:10.090 --> 00:57:11.530
a title, you're going to be a player in the
1093
00:57:11.570 --> 00:57:17.780
West and beyond, then you as a team, that's it.
1094
00:57:17.809 --> 00:57:19.889
You have to have a team concept of defense and
1095
00:57:19.909 --> 00:57:23.989
that everyone's bought in communication, knowing your spots, knowing your
1096
00:57:24.130 --> 00:57:27.239
opponent's weakness and how to take advantage of it. And
1097
00:57:27.340 --> 00:57:30.679
I don't know, you know, what, what the expectations in
1098
00:57:30.699 --> 00:57:34.340
the front office are honestly, like the timetable Spence, but
1099
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.260
sooner or later, You know, Will Hardy has to make
1100
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:40.130
some decisions along with the front office on who can
1101
00:57:40.170 --> 00:57:43.150
play D at this level and who can be consistent
1102
00:57:43.190 --> 00:57:46.409
here and then make decisions, you know, moving forward. You know,
1103
00:57:46.429 --> 00:57:48.429
the Jazz brought in a couple of wing veterans that
1104
00:57:48.449 --> 00:57:51.559
were hopefully going to help defensively. It's game one, right?
1105
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.539
I get it. But, again, it's going to be a
1106
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:58.280
conversation piece. And I think, you know, 10 to 15
1107
00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:00.070
games in, some answers will come forth.
1108
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:04.670
So it was an interesting marketing game because the only
1109
00:58:04.730 --> 00:58:06.949
thing he didn't do well is make shots. And we
1110
00:58:06.989 --> 00:58:09.329
know that Lowry will make shots. So last night for
1111
00:58:09.349 --> 00:58:11.789
me was make or miss for him because he had
1112
00:58:12.230 --> 00:58:14.230
nine boards. He was 9 of 10 from the line.
1113
00:58:14.269 --> 00:58:16.679
He had three assists. And if you look at the
1114
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:18.820
plus minus, he was minus two in a game where
1115
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:21.800
they lost by 20. So really the only thing he
1116
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:23.880
didn't do is make shots, Bowler. But I'm not worried
1117
00:58:23.900 --> 00:58:27.659
about that. A lot of criticism for marketing, maybe lack
1118
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:33.329
of aggression. He's not a ball-dominant guy. ball-in-hand isolation player.
1119
00:58:33.389 --> 00:58:36.030
He gets his shots within the framework of the system,
1120
00:58:36.530 --> 00:58:39.070
and if everybody's doing their parts, then Lowry's going to
1121
00:58:39.090 --> 00:58:40.949
get his. So I'm not really concerned about what I
1122
00:58:40.989 --> 00:58:42.599
saw from Mark last night. What about you?
1123
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:47.159
Yeah, I mean, he was one of seven from three,
1124
00:58:47.500 --> 00:58:53.539
and I'm with you. When it's working and the rotations
1125
00:58:53.619 --> 00:58:58.719
are there and it's smooth, he's very comfortable. Rush shots...
1126
00:58:59.219 --> 00:59:01.199
The three, I think, has always been in his mind
1127
00:59:01.260 --> 00:59:03.960
because he came in the league, you remember, and basically,
1128
00:59:03.980 --> 00:59:06.510
you know, they parked him in the corner and thought,
1129
00:59:06.530 --> 00:59:09.099
okay three ball by the seven footer but you know
1130
00:59:09.139 --> 00:59:11.400
he can do so much more and I think he
1131
00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:14.980
has to constantly remind himself look Spence the last two
1132
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:18.460
seasons he split a year of basketball right I mean
1133
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:21.719
he probably he's 10 years in this league but basically
1134
00:59:21.739 --> 00:59:25.329
he's you know, games and legs in his seventh because
1135
00:59:25.369 --> 00:59:27.969
he hasn't played that much. But when he does, he's
1136
00:59:27.989 --> 00:59:30.949
been impactful. And I'm not worried about him either. I think,
1137
00:59:30.989 --> 00:59:34.739
you know, once he gets used to Peterson and Peterson
1138
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:38.320
knows where, you know, where Larry wants to set up.
1139
00:59:38.340 --> 00:59:42.900
And the same, I think, with Triple J is, you know,
1140
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:47.679
they've had four preseason games and 10 days of camp. And, okay,
1141
00:59:48.900 --> 00:59:51.199
six cents takes a while to when you start to
1142
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:54.559
anticipate where a guy is going to be. But also,
1143
00:59:54.579 --> 00:59:57.940
if you're disrupted defensively, it changes the whole thing, which
1144
00:59:57.980 --> 01:00:00.110
I thought, again, Memphis did a great job last night
1145
01:00:00.139 --> 01:00:02.550
after the first quarter. And they kept the pressure on.
1146
01:00:02.590 --> 01:00:05.550
That second and third quarter was pretty dominant by the Grizz.
1147
01:00:07.849 --> 01:00:10.750
Your thoughts on eight minutes from Josh Akogi, you know,
1148
01:00:10.909 --> 01:00:16.010
with Ty Jerome eating Darren and Keontae's lunch. I'm just
1149
01:00:16.070 --> 01:00:19.489
waiting to see Will call Josh Okogie's number. I mean,
1150
01:00:19.550 --> 01:00:23.210
he is a big, strong, physical vet that is a
1151
01:00:23.769 --> 01:00:26.650
legitimate 3 and D guy, and I just would imagine,
1152
01:00:26.969 --> 01:00:29.760
you know, I'm surprised we didn't see more minutes from Josh.
1153
01:00:29.780 --> 01:00:30.239
What about you?
1154
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:36.519
Yeah, no, I think it comes. Josh Okogie, Josh Green, again,
1155
01:00:36.539 --> 01:00:38.619
I hate to overplay it, but I think, again, the
1156
01:00:38.659 --> 01:00:43.409
tweaking of who– who will knows like a C McKay
1157
01:00:43.449 --> 01:00:46.429
Luke last night, just gets it done with not a
1158
01:00:46.449 --> 01:00:49.150
lot of fanfare, three steals, 10 points. I think he
1159
01:00:49.489 --> 01:00:51.190
you'd have to look at it for me, Spence, but
1160
01:00:51.789 --> 01:00:55.070
he was in single digits. I think minus two while
1161
01:00:55.090 --> 01:00:58.570
he was on the floor and minus four.
1162
01:00:58.590 --> 01:00:58.829
Yeah.
1163
01:00:59.030 --> 01:01:03.150
And so it's, it's I think again, it's, it's that
1164
01:01:03.269 --> 01:01:06.070
situation where someone's going to have to play themselves out
1165
01:01:06.329 --> 01:01:08.469
of the rotation and other guys will find their way
1166
01:01:08.550 --> 01:01:12.650
playing themselves in. And, you know, we know what Ace
1167
01:01:12.690 --> 01:01:14.989
can do. We've seen what Isaiah can be or wants
1168
01:01:15.010 --> 01:01:18.409
to be. Filipowski, the same, sends a ball. Can Okoge
1169
01:01:18.469 --> 01:01:23.260
displace them? Can Josh Green make his impact as well? And,
1170
01:01:23.460 --> 01:01:26.139
you know, again, I know I'm repeating myself, but I'm
1171
01:01:26.179 --> 01:01:27.820
only going back to this because I think Will has
1172
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:32.480
been really up front of the process and that this
1173
01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:37.230
will be interchangeable parts for the first 10 games or more.
1174
01:01:37.730 --> 01:01:41.489
And hopefully you can start to build that rotation that
1175
01:01:41.530 --> 01:01:45.110
he knows who can open, who can be his bench
1176
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:48.360
guys to hold a leader build. And then obviously who's
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01:01:48.380 --> 01:01:52.420
going to close in, in games. And you don't, you
1178
01:01:52.460 --> 01:01:54.039
don't play, you're not going to get all those answers
1179
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:58.219
after last night, but hopefully tomorrow and the five games
1180
01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:00.960
that jazz are playing at home, which is a blessing
1181
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:03.320
early in my opinion, that you can try to get some,
1182
01:02:04.219 --> 01:02:07.940
some answers and will's gonna probably tinker and just see
1183
01:02:07.980 --> 01:02:10.329
who's gonna who's gonna win a job or two out there.
1184
01:02:10.190 --> 01:02:13.469
All right bowler well i appreciate the time man one
1185
01:02:13.510 --> 01:02:15.849
of 82 it's a marathon not a sprint so let's
1186
01:02:15.869 --> 01:02:17.610
hope for better things starting tomorrow.
1187
01:02:17.309 --> 01:02:20.239
Right yeah the whistle just hey they just put the
1188
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:22.440
arm down man we're just we barely got into a
1189
01:02:22.500 --> 01:02:23.739
trot so here we go.
1190
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:26.380
Yes sir yes sir tv voice of the utah jazz
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01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:28.340
they got run off before in memphis last night 123
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01:02:28.340 --> 01:02:32.050
to 103 And in case you missed it, the Lakers
1193
01:02:32.070 --> 01:02:36.559
beat the Warriors last night, and Walker Kessler had 26 points,
1194
01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:39.800
9 rebounds, 2 blocks, and went 12 of 12 from
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01:02:39.820 --> 01:02:43.320
the floor. So while you're watching Jackson Hayes, there you go.
1196
01:02:43.420 --> 01:02:45.780
Walker Kessler balling out for the Lakers. All right, my
1197
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:48.409
guy Trevor, stopping by. We're out here at Rally House.
1198
01:02:48.449 --> 01:02:51.309
Come on by and say what's up. 624 East, 400 South.
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01:02:52.110 --> 01:02:54.610
But Trevor, most importantly, get ready for the blackout game, right?
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01:02:54.989 --> 01:02:55.489
Absolutely.
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01:02:55.789 --> 01:02:56.150
Absolutely.
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01:02:56.170 --> 01:02:57.670
This Saturday at 8.15 p.m.
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01:02:58.389 --> 01:02:59.199
Are you part of the musts?
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01:02:59.630 --> 01:02:59.969
Yes, sir.
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01:03:00.090 --> 01:03:00.590
That a boy.
1206
01:03:00.869 --> 01:03:01.269
Yes, sir.
1207
01:03:01.289 --> 01:03:03.610
I actually serve as the chairman of the football student section.
1208
01:03:03.650 --> 01:03:04.250
Oh, good for you.
1209
01:03:04.289 --> 01:03:05.469
So I get to do a lot of cool things
1210
01:03:05.489 --> 01:03:07.170
with the student section. We actually just last week went
1211
01:03:07.210 --> 01:03:10.800
out to Colorado and had a great time. Rough game,
1212
01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:12.400
but you know what? Sometimes you have them, it's good
1213
01:03:12.420 --> 01:03:12.840
for the team.
1214
01:03:12.860 --> 01:03:14.780
What are you guys planning for Saturday night?
1215
01:03:15.260 --> 01:03:17.719
Oh, this Saturday night, we're giving out buttons for the
1216
01:03:17.739 --> 01:03:22.500
student section. Just this local student, her name's Whit. I
1217
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:24.570
believe the company she runs is called Game Day by Whit.
1218
01:03:24.969 --> 01:03:26.909
And she makes these custom buttons for every game day
1219
01:03:26.929 --> 01:03:28.429
and we're handing them out to the students. It's become
1220
01:03:28.449 --> 01:03:30.889
like a pretty popular thing. item on campus. Very cool.
1221
01:03:31.110 --> 01:03:33.489
We thought we'd support a local student and also support
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01:03:33.510 --> 01:03:35.940
the student section this week by doing that. Lined up,
1223
01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:37.800
lined to get into the student section to start two
1224
01:03:37.820 --> 01:03:40.300
and a half hours before kickoff. We had a tailgate
1225
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:42.760
four hours before kickoff open to any student on campus.
1226
01:03:43.460 --> 01:03:45.510
And Friday night, starting at 5 p.m., you can start
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01:03:45.530 --> 01:03:49.489
camping out in President's Circle. Not before then. They got
1228
01:03:49.510 --> 01:03:51.449
cops there ready to keep you out of there. But
1229
01:03:51.889 --> 01:03:54.530
at 5 p.m., you can start camping out and wake
1230
01:03:54.570 --> 01:03:56.369
up causing me 3.30 in the morning, so early morning
1231
01:03:56.389 --> 01:03:57.809
for the must, but hopefully you guys can get some
1232
01:03:57.869 --> 01:03:59.909
naps this afternoon on Saturday.
1233
01:04:00.070 --> 01:04:01.590
Love it. So what do you want our listeners to
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01:04:01.610 --> 01:04:03.429
know about the gear you have available here at the
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01:04:03.469 --> 01:04:03.949
Rally House?
1236
01:04:04.170 --> 01:04:05.670
Well, I'll tell you what, I think that this is
1237
01:04:05.710 --> 01:04:09.199
the greatest selection of Utah apparel in the Salt Lake Valley,
1238
01:04:09.260 --> 01:04:11.719
I guess in any brick and mortar store in the
1239
01:04:11.780 --> 01:04:14.039
country right here at Rally House here in Salt Lake City,
1240
01:04:14.940 --> 01:04:17.199
and it's going to be a cold one this Friday night,
1241
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:19.000
coldest game we've played all year, and we've got plenty
1242
01:04:19.019 --> 01:04:21.300
of hoodies for you, plenty of fleeces, we've got some
1243
01:04:21.340 --> 01:04:24.559
puffer jackets and everything, we've got sweatpants, and for men
1244
01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:27.199
and women. And, yeah, I mean, if you want to
1245
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:29.280
stay warm this weekend, come to Rally House, and you
1246
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:31.539
can stay warm and rep Utah. Love it, man.
1247
01:04:31.659 --> 01:04:33.840
Hey, thanks for stopping by. We'll chat again, okay? My
1248
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:36.530
man Trevor out here at the Rally House at 624 East,
1249
01:04:36.530 --> 01:04:40.329
400 South, here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, right
1250
01:04:40.369 --> 01:04:43.110
next to Trader Joe's, okay? So if you're into, I
1251
01:04:43.329 --> 01:04:49.090
don't know, flowers, single meals, snacks, Trader Joe's, sauces, we're
1252
01:04:49.130 --> 01:04:52.019
right next to Trader Joe's. get ready for the blackout
1253
01:04:52.219 --> 01:04:56.619
walk in you will be inundated with options t-shirts hooded
1254
01:04:56.659 --> 01:05:00.260
sweatshirts we got quarter zips golf shirts there's a great
1255
01:05:00.340 --> 01:05:03.570
section for the women so if you're a female utah
1256
01:05:03.610 --> 01:05:06.349
football fan and you're kind of frustrated with the gear
1257
01:05:06.369 --> 01:05:08.110
you have at your disposal come in and check this
1258
01:05:08.190 --> 01:05:10.610
out man i'm telling you you went to golf by
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01:05:10.670 --> 01:05:13.179
worldwide golf visit us in store for a free custom
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01:05:13.219 --> 01:05:17.409
fitting you went to golf or shop us online at worldwidegolf.com.
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01:05:17.449 --> 01:05:20.949
Get there for the latest deals on Titleist, TaylorMade, Callaway, Ping,
1262
01:05:21.110 --> 01:05:23.349
and more. That's our friends that you went to golf.
1263
01:05:23.369 --> 01:05:26.269
You can get your gear for the blackout. Saturday night's
1264
01:05:26.309 --> 01:05:29.550
a blackout game at Rice-Eckel Stadium. We've got sweatshirts, t-shirts,
1265
01:05:29.630 --> 01:05:33.730
quarter zips, golf shirts. We're taking care of our BYU brethren.
1266
01:05:33.809 --> 01:05:37.510
We love you too. So ultimately, there's a BYU section.
1267
01:05:38.170 --> 01:05:40.349
So come on by and check that out. Utah State,
1268
01:05:40.449 --> 01:05:44.829
Utah Mammoth, game day official t-shirts and sweatshirts, crew necks
1269
01:05:44.889 --> 01:05:48.380
as well. But come to the Rally House at 624 East,
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01:05:48.380 --> 01:05:51.809
400 South, right in the heart of downtown Salt Lake City, Utah.
1271
01:05:51.829 --> 01:05:54.510
We'd love to meet you and shake your hand. Our
1272
01:05:54.570 --> 01:05:57.090
next guest is one of my favorites, one of the
1273
01:05:57.110 --> 01:05:59.809
best to ever do it at the U, NFL vet
1274
01:05:59.949 --> 01:06:03.219
and now the color analyst on our broadcast. He's a
1275
01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:06.400
very busy guy, so I appreciate Stevenson Sylvester carving out
1276
01:06:06.420 --> 01:06:09.320
some time on a Thursday. What's up, Sly? How are you, man?
1277
01:06:10.420 --> 01:06:11.179
What up, Spence?
1278
01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:11.699
How we doing?
1279
01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:14.840
We're good, man. We're good. It's a big game, of course.
1280
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:16.239
We've been waiting for this game.
1281
01:06:16.260 --> 01:06:18.659
You don't say. Who gives you that notion?
1282
01:06:18.860 --> 01:06:21.500
Yeah, just so you know. I just wanted to inform
1283
01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:23.699
you that it's a big game in case you weren't aware.
1284
01:06:24.260 --> 01:06:26.800
But let's just get right to it, man. Let's leave
1285
01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:29.519
last week behind us and look forward to Saturday night.
1286
01:06:29.980 --> 01:06:32.199
As you've studied tape, what stands out most to you
1287
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:33.699
as far as how good Houston is?
1288
01:06:34.570 --> 01:06:38.119
This is an outstanding team. All phases, man. I can
1289
01:06:38.530 --> 01:06:39.550
point out things that.
1290
01:06:39.489 --> 01:06:43.539
I like that it's going to be hard to go
1291
01:06:43.579 --> 01:06:46.579
against that's going to make this game interesting. Our good
1292
01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:49.239
football team, as far as being well coached, it goes
1293
01:06:49.260 --> 01:06:51.920
a long way. Like normally when you assess an opponent,
1294
01:06:51.940 --> 01:06:55.429
there's certain things that you can pick out that are
1295
01:06:55.469 --> 01:06:57.289
going to be, you know, things.
1296
01:06:57.170 --> 01:06:59.469
That you can take advantage of. Like, oh man, if
1297
01:06:59.510 --> 01:07:00.369
you get up big.
1298
01:07:00.409 --> 01:07:03.230
This team's going to quit or this team's left tackle
1299
01:07:03.289 --> 01:07:07.179
sucks or, or this team, you know, doesn't do well
1300
01:07:07.219 --> 01:07:08.199
with inside running game.
1301
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:09.639
There's things you can point out like that.
1302
01:07:09.699 --> 01:07:09.940
Right.
1303
01:07:10.019 --> 01:07:13.059
And, you know, there's not many holes in this, in
1304
01:07:13.099 --> 01:07:17.239
this Houston game, This Houston football team, man, they're, they're,
1305
01:07:17.300 --> 01:07:19.460
they're really well coached. And just to know the turnaround
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01:07:19.500 --> 01:07:21.239
that they've had in just the last few years is,
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01:07:21.389 --> 01:07:22.550
is absolutely terrific.
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01:07:22.630 --> 01:07:22.829
Right.
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01:07:23.090 --> 01:07:26.590
You know, they don't have a more recent history of
1310
01:07:26.650 --> 01:07:27.590
successful football.
1311
01:07:27.610 --> 01:07:30.210
They've, they've just in the last couple of years, they've
1312
01:07:30.230 --> 01:07:32.849
just done, you know, some, some really good things. And
1313
01:07:32.929 --> 01:07:35.769
Willie Fritz down there is you got to commend him
1314
01:07:35.789 --> 01:07:38.599
for putting together, you know, coaching staff and roster to,
1315
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:41.320
to be able to, to handle, you know, Um, you know,
1316
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:43.380
with Clemon at them, but they're a talented football team
1317
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:46.889
coming in here to rise up with stadium. Um, you know, offensively,
1318
01:07:46.909 --> 01:07:50.110
of course, the quarterback jumps out, right. He does everything, um,
1319
01:07:50.329 --> 01:07:52.599
more his running style too. And when he gets out
1320
01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:56.869
and uses his legs, you know, um, to get yards, he,
1321
01:07:57.219 --> 01:07:59.360
he runs like a running back, you know, as far
1322
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:01.940
as his cuts and the way he holds the ball,
1323
01:08:01.980 --> 01:08:03.900
the way he's able to extend plays and see the
1324
01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:07.559
extra hole that, that, you know, some other people who aren't,
1325
01:08:07.739 --> 01:08:09.969
you know, as familiar with running the ball can see,
1326
01:08:10.010 --> 01:08:12.769
he can see those. And, and, you know, when you
1327
01:08:12.809 --> 01:08:14.829
watch way Sean Parker and the way he's able to
1328
01:08:14.889 --> 01:08:18.369
fall forward and always get positive yards, you know, Connor
1329
01:08:18.390 --> 01:08:21.270
Wegman does the same thing with his running style. So
1330
01:08:21.369 --> 01:08:23.189
I think when he gets out of the pocket, he
1331
01:08:23.260 --> 01:08:26.039
runs more like a running back. You know, a guy
1332
01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:28.699
who's very familiar with running the football. He doesn't look
1333
01:08:28.739 --> 01:08:32.100
to slide or get out of bounds. You know, he's
1334
01:08:32.180 --> 01:08:34.560
looking to take advantage of opportunities. And, you know, QB
1335
01:08:34.619 --> 01:08:38.460
run game, just like Wildcat, um you know there's going
1336
01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:40.739
to be big holes in the running game to make
1337
01:08:40.779 --> 01:08:42.619
that happen man so of course he stands out the
1338
01:08:42.659 --> 01:08:46.029
best or the most when you watch this football team
1339
01:08:46.069 --> 01:08:48.829
and then you go and watch him against you know
1340
01:08:49.069 --> 01:08:54.189
uh texas tech or um oklahoma state where he's throwing
1341
01:08:54.229 --> 01:08:57.829
five touchdowns and and just really leading the pack there
1342
01:08:58.229 --> 01:09:00.680
that football game was awesome because jude man is a
1343
01:09:01.020 --> 01:09:03.000
really good quarterback. So it was a good back and forth,
1344
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:06.899
you know, mix, you know, in that game. But just,
1345
01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:09.920
you know, the adversity that these teams have suffered. that
1346
01:09:09.979 --> 01:09:12.739
this Houston team is, is faced. It's going to be
1347
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:14.619
a great game on Saturday. They're going to come in
1348
01:09:14.689 --> 01:09:16.310
here and they're going to give us their, their best,
1349
01:09:16.689 --> 01:09:18.289
their best look. And I think it's going to come
1350
01:09:18.350 --> 01:09:19.770
all the way down to the fourth quarter. So we
1351
01:09:19.810 --> 01:09:22.029
got to be resilient. We got to stay up on
1352
01:09:22.050 --> 01:09:24.470
this football team. It's a, it's a very good football team.
1353
01:09:25.989 --> 01:09:29.750
But yeah, man, there's tons of stuff that stand out offensively, defensively.
1354
01:09:29.789 --> 01:09:32.310
I can get into crazy breakdowns. I don't know if
1355
01:09:32.329 --> 01:09:35.810
we have time for all of that, but yeah, man,
1356
01:09:35.829 --> 01:09:38.189
this is, this is why you love the game. is
1357
01:09:38.229 --> 01:09:39.770
to see games like this on Saturday.
1358
01:09:41.470 --> 01:09:44.340
So you brought up Willie Fritz, okay? And in the
1359
01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:47.140
couple of Big 12 Media Day opportunities we've had on
1360
01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:51.239
the station, he's been among my favorite interviews. Here's my question, Sly.
1361
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:56.739
Willie Fritz started coaching when Morgan Scali wasn't potty trained yet, okay?
1362
01:09:56.920 --> 01:10:00.489
He has been doing this for a long, long time.
1363
01:10:00.810 --> 01:10:03.829
When it comes to the coaching matchup where Morgan is
1364
01:10:03.869 --> 01:10:05.829
in his first year and Willie Fritz is in his
1365
01:10:05.930 --> 01:10:09.229
millionth year, What sort of dynamic does that bring into play?
1366
01:10:15.350 --> 01:10:18.970
I mean, I'm trying to find the biggest differences because
1367
01:10:19.350 --> 01:10:22.069
essentially that's like saying Joe Paterno versus.
1368
01:10:21.770 --> 01:10:24.829
Nick Saban, right? Like what type of vibe is that?
1369
01:10:24.850 --> 01:10:27.430
Joe Paterno started coaching in the 1920s, it felt like,
1370
01:10:27.970 --> 01:10:30.710
and Nick Saban started coaching then 30, 40 years later.
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01:10:30.829 --> 01:10:33.489
And so it's like, is it that big of a difference,
1372
01:10:33.630 --> 01:10:36.369
even though Nick Saban still has 20 plus years of coaching.
1373
01:10:36.109 --> 01:10:38.720
Under his belt? Right. I don't think it's that big
1374
01:10:38.739 --> 01:10:39.180
of a difference.
1375
01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:43.060
You know, one, I just, I look at experience and
1376
01:10:43.090 --> 01:10:45.649
you see first year head coach, you know, as far
1377
01:10:45.689 --> 01:10:51.199
as decision-making and, in certain situations, you know, may come
1378
01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:54.319
into play where Willie Fitz would have some experience. But
1379
01:10:55.170 --> 01:10:57.270
for me, I just, I look at Morgan Scali in
1380
01:10:57.289 --> 01:11:00.170
totality and you just look at it as like, he's
1381
01:11:00.210 --> 01:11:04.529
a well-rounded guy to where his experience is something that
1382
01:11:04.689 --> 01:11:07.239
stats won't be able to showcase, right?
1383
01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:10.479
You know, his knowledge of the game, his understanding of
1384
01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:12.159
the moment, his when he needs.
1385
01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:15.640
To inject himself, when he needs to, you know, take
1386
01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:18.850
this time out, clock management, and understand where his team's at,
1387
01:11:18.890 --> 01:11:22.989
understand who to put in. Understanding that, that you're not
1388
01:11:23.029 --> 01:11:26.029
going to see on a resume with Morgan Scali is
1389
01:11:26.069 --> 01:11:29.550
what is so impressive, and that you can't put somebody
1390
01:11:29.569 --> 01:11:31.989
who's just been coaching or being a head coach a
1391
01:11:32.029 --> 01:11:35.319
little longer than Morgan Scali, ahead of Morgan Scali, because
1392
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:39.100
Morgan Scali's a nerd, right? And it's kind of like,
1393
01:11:40.060 --> 01:11:42.899
it's funny when you watch like the, what was it?
1394
01:11:42.899 --> 01:11:44.619
1997, 1996 NBA all-star game.
1395
01:11:44.699 --> 01:11:47.770
And you watch the East coast locker room, Michael Jordan,
1396
01:11:47.779 --> 01:11:51.380
Tim Hardaway, Patrick Ewing, you know, all these guys in the,
1397
01:11:51.449 --> 01:11:53.729
in the locker room and an all-star game, they talking
1398
01:11:53.770 --> 01:11:54.569
about young Kobe.
1399
01:11:54.869 --> 01:11:55.109
Right.
1400
01:11:55.310 --> 01:11:57.630
And, and, you know, it's like, look, he ain't going
1401
01:11:57.649 --> 01:11:59.350
to just, he, he going to go out there and
1402
01:11:59.409 --> 01:11:59.750
take it.
1403
01:11:59.979 --> 01:12:02.039
That's what I feel like Morgan Scowley is coming into
1404
01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:04.640
this head coaching realm as it's like, look, I think
1405
01:12:04.659 --> 01:12:07.680
all these other coaches really respect him and that, you know,
1406
01:12:07.699 --> 01:12:09.840
Morgan Stanley ain't pulling no punches. He don't go out
1407
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:12.470
there and let you know, man. So I think there's
1408
01:12:12.510 --> 01:12:16.430
respect all the way around. There's not a big gap
1409
01:12:16.529 --> 01:12:19.609
between Willie Fritz and Morgan from that standpoint.
1410
01:12:21.130 --> 01:12:21.449
Okay.
1411
01:12:21.489 --> 01:12:24.050
So let's hone in on the quarterback slides, a guy
1412
01:12:24.090 --> 01:12:26.680
that played linebacker and made his living on the defensive
1413
01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:31.359
end and defensive side. I find this, I mean, look,
1414
01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:35.590
the challenge is Houston period. But Connor Wigman plays a
1415
01:12:35.609 --> 01:12:37.609
little bit like Bear, right? I mean, he's not as
1416
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:41.159
big as Bear, but he does similar things. And his
1417
01:12:41.220 --> 01:12:43.739
numbers on the season, I mean, way Sean Parker has
1418
01:12:43.779 --> 01:12:46.039
put himself in the mix for Big 12 Offensive Player
1419
01:12:46.060 --> 01:12:49.479
of the Year. Connor Wigman, as far as quarterbacking goes,
1420
01:12:49.539 --> 01:12:53.220
has the highest QBR in the Big 12. He's thrown
1421
01:12:53.239 --> 01:12:57.470
for 20 touchdowns and only two picks. And on the ground,
1422
01:12:57.529 --> 01:13:00.689
he's rushed for 229 yards and six touchdowns. So a
1423
01:13:00.729 --> 01:13:05.310
combined 26 touchdowns. And two turnovers so far. I mean,
1424
01:13:05.989 --> 01:13:09.329
fifth-year guy, Texas A & M transfer, five-star recruit out
1425
01:13:09.350 --> 01:13:12.630
of high school. Tell me what you see as far
1426
01:13:12.670 --> 01:13:15.239
as what makes him so effective. And take us through
1427
01:13:15.260 --> 01:13:18.020
the mind of a linebacker and somebody who played defense
1428
01:13:18.060 --> 01:13:19.859
about what you need to do to at least try
1429
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:20.500
to contain him.
1430
01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:26.439
Well, one, I think Connor's biggest asset is his confidence, right?
1431
01:13:26.539 --> 01:13:29.539
And so for me, I'm going to find ways to
1432
01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:31.670
shake his confidence. And there's some guys that you don't
1433
01:13:31.689 --> 01:13:36.350
want to, you know, kick the crow's nest or ruffle
1434
01:13:36.369 --> 01:13:38.350
any feathers because that makes them play better.
1435
01:13:38.409 --> 01:13:40.340
But at the same time, you got to have confidence
1436
01:13:40.380 --> 01:13:45.119
in yourself. So for me, I think everybody is accessible.
1437
01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:48.100
You know, from that standpoint, mentally. Right.
1438
01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:50.680
And so, you know, a lot of people were saying
1439
01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:53.960
that about a Jared Goff coming in here is like, oh, man,
1440
01:13:53.979 --> 01:13:55.600
this guy's telling you to do all the throws. You
1441
01:13:55.619 --> 01:13:58.060
can do all the things. And then Utah over there
1442
01:13:58.279 --> 01:13:58.960
and they get to him.
1443
01:13:59.020 --> 01:13:59.199
Right.
1444
01:13:59.260 --> 01:14:02.500
So I got to find ways to get at Conor
1445
01:14:02.539 --> 01:14:04.350
Wegman to throw him off his game.
1446
01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:05.399
Right. To make him.
1447
01:14:05.939 --> 01:14:07.989
Trying to play hero ball and do things that are
1448
01:14:08.050 --> 01:14:10.130
outside of their game scheme, right?
1449
01:14:10.189 --> 01:14:14.670
And so for me, I'm looking at that. And this
1450
01:14:14.750 --> 01:14:16.750
is me. I don't know if this is game plan.
1451
01:14:16.770 --> 01:14:19.470
I can't say that maybe Ray Reynolds or Jonah Hall
1452
01:14:19.489 --> 01:14:21.529
should go do this, but I'm talking smack.
1453
01:14:21.689 --> 01:14:24.649
That's just what I do. And that gets me going.
1454
01:14:24.770 --> 01:14:27.409
That makes me play better because I really feel in
1455
01:14:27.449 --> 01:14:29.710
my mind that I'm better than everybody that I go
1456
01:14:29.750 --> 01:14:31.689
against because of the work that I put in, right?
1457
01:14:31.729 --> 01:14:34.069
The film study that I did, the off-season work, the
1458
01:14:34.170 --> 01:14:37.050
extra work, After practice, I know that I did that
1459
01:14:37.409 --> 01:14:39.640
coming into game so I can talk smack and that
1460
01:14:39.899 --> 01:14:41.159
actually gets me going.
1461
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:41.760
Right.
1462
01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:45.100
And so I need to find ways to get to
1463
01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:47.779
Connor Wegman to let him know that I'm coming for him.
1464
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:48.359
Right.
1465
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:52.159
That I'm on the way that like when I hit you,
1466
01:14:52.220 --> 01:14:54.020
you're going to know you're going to get lucky. And
1467
01:14:54.050 --> 01:14:54.560
that can start.
1468
01:14:54.590 --> 01:14:56.649
And for me, I don't know if anybody notices, but
1469
01:14:57.050 --> 01:14:58.430
I did that at the coin toss.
1470
01:14:58.710 --> 01:14:58.909
Right.
1471
01:14:58.989 --> 01:15:01.529
Quarterbacks are always the captain. And so I started talking
1472
01:15:01.550 --> 01:15:02.489
smack at the coin toss.
1473
01:15:02.850 --> 01:15:03.069
Right.
1474
01:15:03.149 --> 01:15:07.369
And if your quarterback is wavery, that's, that's where it happens, man.
1475
01:15:07.409 --> 01:15:10.180
And so every time that I got near the quarterback,
1476
01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:11.819
I made sure to let them know that I'm coming.
1477
01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:15.800
I'm be there in the next play. You better watch out.
1478
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:17.939
You're lucky to aim blitz me on this play. I'm
1479
01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:20.920
coming for you. Anytime that I had an opportunity, I
1480
01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:23.229
made it happen. And that throws people off the game.
1481
01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:26.430
And this is a part of the statistic of the
1482
01:15:26.449 --> 01:15:30.029
game of football is 85% mental, right? It's, it's controlling
1483
01:15:30.069 --> 01:15:32.729
your emotions and making sure that is in check, which
1484
01:15:32.789 --> 01:15:35.350
is extremely hard to do in the heat of battle, right?
1485
01:15:35.369 --> 01:15:36.449
When you're over there.
1486
01:15:36.979 --> 01:15:41.140
Going full speed, running 18, 20 miles an hour, right
1487
01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:44.819
into another person, you know, that's battle.
1488
01:15:44.899 --> 01:15:49.109
That's a car crash. That's, that's, that's making you think twice, right?
1489
01:15:49.189 --> 01:15:51.489
And then you have to be smart and intelligible and
1490
01:15:51.909 --> 01:15:53.850
get into fight or flight mode at that same time.
1491
01:15:54.149 --> 01:15:56.770
That's not easy to do. So how can you navigate
1492
01:15:56.810 --> 01:15:59.989
around that? And how can you, you excel being around that.
1493
01:16:00.010 --> 01:16:02.560
And when you get talented people like Connor Wegman, what
1494
01:16:02.579 --> 01:16:05.319
are those little things that I can do to get
1495
01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:07.739
him off his game? Because for me, Connor Wegman is
1496
01:16:07.779 --> 01:16:09.939
really a complete quarterback, man. He throws all the throws.
1497
01:16:09.979 --> 01:16:10.539
He can run.
1498
01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:14.060
He sits in the pocket. He communicates to his offensive line. Well,
1499
01:16:14.090 --> 01:16:17.670
he does everything that you'd want from a quarterback extremely well.
1500
01:16:17.770 --> 01:16:20.090
And he's coming to his own, you know, from last
1501
01:16:20.130 --> 01:16:22.020
year to this year, he's having a tremendous year, as
1502
01:16:22.060 --> 01:16:24.119
you said, number one in QBR and the, in the
1503
01:16:24.180 --> 01:16:26.750
whole entire conference and top of the country as well.
1504
01:16:27.369 --> 01:16:31.170
Um, you know, Let's make this his worst game, right?
1505
01:16:31.369 --> 01:16:32.989
And how do I do that? I hit him.
1506
01:16:33.210 --> 01:16:36.770
I make sure that whatever he's thinking isn't going to happen.
1507
01:16:36.989 --> 01:16:41.149
Make him think twice. Make him overthink it. And so, yeah,
1508
01:16:41.270 --> 01:16:44.130
it's just little things like that, playing mind games. It's
1509
01:16:44.170 --> 01:16:47.649
the whole nomenclature of chestnut checkers. Don't make it too
1510
01:16:47.670 --> 01:16:51.229
complicated where you're getting outside of your space, but you
1511
01:16:51.260 --> 01:16:53.079
definitely got to play the game from a mental side
1512
01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:54.220
in this football game.
1513
01:16:55.060 --> 01:16:58.479
Look, man, if Morgan Scali isn't concerned about the sacks,
1514
01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:00.539
maybe none of us should be concerned about the sacks.
1515
01:17:00.579 --> 01:17:03.619
But last week, Isaac Wilson dropped back 33 times. He
1516
01:17:03.659 --> 01:17:08.470
was pressured four. Currently, Utah's the they rank number 64th
1517
01:17:08.750 --> 01:17:12.689
in sacks per game, averaging two and tied for 92nd
1518
01:17:12.729 --> 01:17:18.050
in sack percentage, 5.13 percent in college football. Now, as
1519
01:17:18.109 --> 01:17:20.270
I said, if Morgan's not concerned, maybe none of us
1520
01:17:20.300 --> 01:17:22.060
should be concerned. I just want to know what you
1521
01:17:22.100 --> 01:17:26.229
think about so far. after ranking 16th in the country
1522
01:17:26.270 --> 01:17:30.039
last year in sacks per game, Utah sitting at 64.
1523
01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:31.619
Tell me what you make of it and if there
1524
01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:33.760
is some concern and if you think they can pressure
1525
01:17:33.779 --> 01:17:34.359
Connor Wegman.
1526
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:37.659
Yeah, I think they can pressure Conor Wegman.
1527
01:17:37.680 --> 01:17:39.960
There's many different things where we can do to make
1528
01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:40.560
that happen.
1529
01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:43.479
But I'm not, I wouldn't say the word is concerned.
1530
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:45.600
I would like to have it, right?
1531
01:17:45.699 --> 01:17:48.300
You know, Morgan Scali will give you the explanation of
1532
01:17:48.359 --> 01:17:51.430
our passer efficiency is extremely high.
1533
01:17:51.470 --> 01:17:54.149
And I'll take that over the sacks. And you know what?
1534
01:17:54.189 --> 01:17:55.789
Your passer efficiency actually.
1535
01:17:55.550 --> 01:17:58.609
Gets better when you have QB pressures in sacks.
1536
01:17:59.069 --> 01:18:01.550
And so, but there has been things, and this is
1537
01:18:01.569 --> 01:18:02.630
what people got to understand.
1538
01:18:03.250 --> 01:18:07.869
You know, there's been things, And, you know, Peyton Manning
1539
01:18:07.890 --> 01:18:10.470
wasn't a hugely fat quarterback, right?
1540
01:18:10.810 --> 01:18:12.869
Why? Because he got the ball out of his hands.
1541
01:18:12.729 --> 01:18:15.979
Extremely quickly to where defenses didn't have time to get
1542
01:18:16.060 --> 01:18:18.220
back there to do it. So out of the 33
1543
01:18:18.220 --> 01:18:20.899
times that you drop back, there may be only six
1544
01:18:20.939 --> 01:18:23.409
or seven times where he actually took a five step
1545
01:18:23.449 --> 01:18:26.989
job where he's holding the ball. right the other 25
1546
01:18:26.989 --> 01:18:29.930
26 times he's getting the ball out with two seconds
1547
01:18:29.970 --> 01:18:32.069
right you know uh i think morgan said in his
1548
01:18:32.140 --> 01:18:34.300
press conference of how long it takes to get a
1549
01:18:34.340 --> 01:18:38.460
sex from 2.4 to 3.5 seconds right and if the
1550
01:18:38.500 --> 01:18:40.600
ball's out quicker than that what are you doing right
1551
01:18:40.619 --> 01:18:42.899
if they're throwing screen passes they're throwing these little hitch
1552
01:18:42.970 --> 01:18:45.470
routes the ball is getting out quick you're doing design
1553
01:18:45.529 --> 01:18:47.850
rollouts away from your blitz rolling out away from your
1554
01:18:47.869 --> 01:18:50.279
blitz you're doing those things like you're not going to
1555
01:18:50.300 --> 01:18:53.600
get the statistics. Stop looking at the stat sheet. So yeah, no,
1556
01:18:54.220 --> 01:18:57.319
my statement is it's not a concern. It's something that
1557
01:18:57.390 --> 01:18:58.989
I would like to have because I think it helps
1558
01:18:59.090 --> 01:19:00.029
out our back end, right?
1559
01:19:00.050 --> 01:19:02.350
A great pass rush or.
1560
01:19:02.289 --> 01:19:06.520
A great DB room or a great DB pass coverage
1561
01:19:07.020 --> 01:19:11.020
is dependent on how great your, not dependent, but it
1562
01:19:11.100 --> 01:19:11.920
helps out when you.
1563
01:19:11.859 --> 01:19:13.029
Have a great pass rush, right?
1564
01:19:13.729 --> 01:19:17.109
And vice versa, a great path rush is because you
1565
01:19:17.130 --> 01:19:19.479
have great back-end guys that are making the quarterback hold
1566
01:19:19.500 --> 01:19:20.199
the ball longer.
1567
01:19:20.579 --> 01:19:22.340
So all those things come into play.
1568
01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:27.029
And from Morgan's standpoint and what he's seen from the film,
1569
01:19:27.090 --> 01:19:30.310
it's just like, how much can we do when the ball.
1570
01:19:30.130 --> 01:19:31.899
Is out, you know, in two and a half seconds.
1571
01:19:31.979 --> 01:19:32.180
Right.
1572
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:36.659
And so, you know, it's more being opportunistic. What I
1573
01:19:36.699 --> 01:19:38.760
want to see is, is more strip sacks. When these
1574
01:19:38.819 --> 01:19:41.659
quarterbacks are trying to evade pressure, they're stepping up into
1575
01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:45.270
the pocket in Carson, Kifusi, Joe, Jai Mo and, and,
1576
01:19:45.449 --> 01:19:47.829
and Lance host bar, especially, can you get in the
1577
01:19:47.850 --> 01:19:50.920
ball while you're getting blocked and throw a hand where his, his,
1578
01:19:51.210 --> 01:19:53.590
where the QB's hand is and knock that ball out, right?
1579
01:19:53.689 --> 01:19:56.409
Can we get some fumbles to make the quarterback hold
1580
01:19:56.439 --> 01:19:58.479
the ball for a little longer and then somebody comes
1581
01:19:58.539 --> 01:20:00.779
and cleans it up, right? How can we make them
1582
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:02.460
hold the ball a little longer, get our hands in
1583
01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:04.640
the pass lane to make him think like, oh man,
1584
01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:08.279
Carson Fousey's big 6'5, 6'6, is in my way. I
1585
01:20:08.319 --> 01:20:09.920
got to hold the ball one more second until that
1586
01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:12.520
window comes open and then boom, he's getting sacked. What
1587
01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:16.630
are those intangibles that we can... you know, increase on
1588
01:20:16.750 --> 01:20:20.170
or get better. But no, I wouldn't say the word
1589
01:20:20.189 --> 01:20:22.300
would be concerned. It's something that I would like to have.
1590
01:20:22.579 --> 01:20:25.819
But at the end of the day, can we win
1591
01:20:25.859 --> 01:20:29.970
football games? I think the bigger statistic is the better
1592
01:20:29.989 --> 01:20:34.260
statistic to pay attention to is yak, right? Is yards
1593
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:38.939
after catch, yards after contact, right? You know, guys getting open,
1594
01:20:39.020 --> 01:20:42.960
guys making spectacular catches. You know, that's an important statistic
1595
01:20:43.340 --> 01:20:45.979
to look at. And what are they getting after that
1596
01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:49.810
first contact? What are they getting after they catch the football?
1597
01:20:50.210 --> 01:20:52.689
If they're doing that, that's where I'm like, oh, defense, man.
1598
01:20:53.409 --> 01:20:54.630
And I don't see that. I don't see a.
1599
01:20:54.649 --> 01:20:57.430
Ton of yak yards happening against this defense, man. So,
1600
01:20:57.979 --> 01:21:02.399
I'm really excited to see how this team does against
1601
01:21:02.420 --> 01:21:04.159
this good Houston offense.
1602
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:07.880
Also, a slide number that I stumbled across this week,
1603
01:21:07.939 --> 01:21:12.189
courtesy of Pro Football Focus, is Utah is number 16
1604
01:21:12.189 --> 01:21:15.130
in the country in yards per rush allowed, and by
1605
01:21:15.550 --> 01:21:19.970
most metrics, about a top 20 defense. And they've done
1606
01:21:20.029 --> 01:21:24.300
it while stacking the box 46 total times all year,
1607
01:21:24.350 --> 01:21:27.989
which is 82nd nationally. What does that mean as far
1608
01:21:28.029 --> 01:21:30.229
as what they're able to do to be so effective
1609
01:21:30.279 --> 01:21:32.279
with only their four down linemen?
1610
01:21:33.140 --> 01:21:36.840
Well, one, I got a complimented defense for taking care
1611
01:21:36.859 --> 01:21:40.619
of what they need to take care of when.
1612
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:40.720
They have it, right?
1613
01:21:40.739 --> 01:21:44.949
You know, getting out on, getting three and outs, getting
1614
01:21:44.970 --> 01:21:47.710
the ball back to you. But that statistic to me
1615
01:21:49.210 --> 01:21:51.689
is great, but it more points at the complimentary football.
1616
01:21:52.090 --> 01:21:52.369
Right.
1617
01:21:52.510 --> 01:21:55.090
As to because I'm going to look at that and
1618
01:21:55.109 --> 01:21:57.470
I'm going to look at like how many rushes is
1619
01:21:57.510 --> 01:21:58.890
the opponent actually giving you.
1620
01:21:59.390 --> 01:21:59.630
Right.
1621
01:21:59.649 --> 01:22:02.850
Because if your impression isn't giving you that many attempts
1622
01:22:02.909 --> 01:22:06.159
to run the football, that means they're playing from behind
1623
01:22:06.220 --> 01:22:07.119
more often than not.
1624
01:22:07.560 --> 01:22:07.819
Right.
1625
01:22:08.039 --> 01:22:10.960
So complimentary football is you're doing your job on defense
1626
01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:14.239
by getting three and outs and forcing the offense to
1627
01:22:14.279 --> 01:22:16.239
forcing them to punt the football and get the ball
1628
01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:17.539
back to your heart there at offense.
1629
01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:20.520
And then your offense is paying that off by increasing
1630
01:22:20.539 --> 01:22:20.960
the score.
1631
01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:21.380
Right.
1632
01:22:22.060 --> 01:22:24.840
Starting the football game with the football and scoring means
1633
01:22:24.859 --> 01:22:27.550
your opponent is down by seven or down by whatever
1634
01:22:27.590 --> 01:22:29.029
score to start the football game.
1635
01:22:29.050 --> 01:22:30.670
Your opponent is playing from behind.
1636
01:22:31.010 --> 01:22:33.109
That is what that statistic really points out is that
1637
01:22:33.130 --> 01:22:36.029
your opponent isn't able to run the football because running
1638
01:22:36.050 --> 01:22:38.880
the football takes time. Right. You know, I think that,
1639
01:22:39.060 --> 01:22:41.180
you know, Colorado was able to run the football even
1640
01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:44.899
more on us because they were in the game. For
1641
01:22:44.939 --> 01:22:48.890
the most part, we have had great separation between our opponents.
1642
01:22:49.159 --> 01:22:51.430
So our opponents hasn't been able to run the football.
1643
01:22:51.470 --> 01:22:54.689
So that statistic is great because of the complimentary football
1644
01:22:54.949 --> 01:22:57.010
that we are playing here. When the defense gets a
1645
01:22:57.029 --> 01:22:59.479
three and out, the offense is paying it off with points.
1646
01:23:00.439 --> 01:23:04.479
And so it's not allowing your opponent to, to continue
1647
01:23:04.500 --> 01:23:07.399
to be comfortable with their playbook and run the football, man.
1648
01:23:07.420 --> 01:23:10.720
So for me, that that's a statistic of complimentary football,
1649
01:23:10.739 --> 01:23:13.000
but also a command to tip your hat to the
1650
01:23:13.060 --> 01:23:16.260
defense for doing their job and making complimentary football possible.
1651
01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:19.529
Last thing that I'll set you loose slide. The, the
1652
01:23:19.710 --> 01:23:21.729
only area it's interesting. If you look at the big
1653
01:23:21.729 --> 01:23:25.729
12 rankings, the team rankings on offense and defense, both
1654
01:23:25.850 --> 01:23:28.329
Utah and Houston, essentially our top three or four and
1655
01:23:28.590 --> 01:23:32.630
mostly everything. except for one thing. Houston, as far as
1656
01:23:32.649 --> 01:23:36.840
their defense goes, they've been susceptible through the air. Okay,
1657
01:23:36.859 --> 01:23:40.359
they're the fourth worst pass defense in the Big 12.
1658
01:23:40.359 --> 01:23:42.300
You tell me what that means about what we could
1659
01:23:42.340 --> 01:23:44.590
see as far as Kevin McGiven's game plan, and do
1660
01:23:45.010 --> 01:23:46.430
you think we'll see Devin throw it a bunch?
1661
01:23:49.090 --> 01:23:50.729
I think this game is going to call for what
1662
01:23:50.789 --> 01:23:51.149
it needs.
1663
01:23:51.470 --> 01:23:51.750
Right.
1664
01:23:51.989 --> 01:23:54.470
And I can't say that because I think that they
1665
01:23:54.510 --> 01:23:57.949
played some good opponents. As you said, the only statistic
1666
01:23:57.989 --> 01:24:00.409
that's the biggest difference is the points against.
1667
01:24:00.729 --> 01:24:04.630
Right. You know, they've allowed more points against. their team
1668
01:24:04.729 --> 01:24:06.470
than against our team.
1669
01:24:07.069 --> 01:24:09.939
Pass efficiency could just mean that the level of competition
1670
01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:13.560
that they played. And again, when you're going to complimentary football,
1671
01:24:14.260 --> 01:24:17.100
are you doing enough to, to make that happen and
1672
01:24:17.119 --> 01:24:20.000
making your opponent one dimensional and opening things up?
1673
01:24:20.060 --> 01:24:20.260
Right.
1674
01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:23.380
I don't, I think that they played some good opponents.
1675
01:24:23.420 --> 01:24:26.220
You know, we've noticed how great Oregon state is this year.
1676
01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:30.699
And they started the season with them. We know Texas
1677
01:24:30.729 --> 01:24:33.350
Tech is plenty capable, although Texas Tech didn't put up
1678
01:24:33.390 --> 01:24:36.770
that many, that great of numbers as we're used to seeing. But,
1679
01:24:36.850 --> 01:24:39.779
you know, it's still susceptible. But you go to UCF
1680
01:24:39.859 --> 01:24:43.020
is damn good this year. You know, Kansas has Avery Johnson,
1681
01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:46.319
a capable quarterback, not much throwing, but.
1682
01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:47.520
What it is.
1683
01:24:47.579 --> 01:24:49.579
And then you saw Drew Messermaker last week, man.
1684
01:24:49.619 --> 01:24:53.640
He just absolutely did what he does at 365 yards
1685
01:24:53.699 --> 01:24:57.039
and three touchdowns last week. So I think the level
1686
01:24:57.060 --> 01:24:59.880
of competition has been different to affect those numbers.
1687
01:25:00.739 --> 01:25:02.069
But, you know, when I watch.
1688
01:25:01.850 --> 01:25:04.470
Film, I think they got athletes over there.
1689
01:25:04.489 --> 01:25:05.470
I don't think they have competition.
1690
01:25:05.689 --> 01:25:09.430
You know, the most potent top tier athletes that, you know,
1691
01:25:09.729 --> 01:25:12.770
we've ever seen or is going to see. So there's
1692
01:25:12.789 --> 01:25:16.710
going to be, you know, windows of opportunity there. But
1693
01:25:16.729 --> 01:25:18.869
at the end of the day, we run the football.
1694
01:25:18.890 --> 01:25:21.529
We can run the football with with multiple quarterbacks. We
1695
01:25:21.569 --> 01:25:25.069
have multiple running backs from Hunter Andrew Daniel Bray. uh,
1696
01:25:25.109 --> 01:25:28.159
way Sean Parker, um, you know, we could put multiple
1697
01:25:28.180 --> 01:25:30.239
guys in to be able to run the ball effectively.
1698
01:25:30.260 --> 01:25:32.619
Um, and that opens everything else up.
1699
01:25:32.739 --> 01:25:36.140
So, um, I wouldn't be focalized on that statistic as
1700
01:25:36.199 --> 01:25:38.319
that's what we need to do in this game to win.
1701
01:25:38.699 --> 01:25:41.270
But I think that if we handle business with.
1702
01:25:41.189 --> 01:25:44.010
Running the football, that's going to create one-on-ones in the backend,
1703
01:25:44.289 --> 01:25:47.510
that's going to make, you know, uh, those passing yards
1704
01:25:47.609 --> 01:25:50.390
come open a lot more, uh, effectively. Okay.
1705
01:25:51.380 --> 01:25:53.619
Sly, thanks for the time, man. Have an excellent week.
1706
01:25:53.659 --> 01:25:55.880
Enjoy the game day experience and have a great call
1707
01:25:55.899 --> 01:25:56.739
Saturday night, okay?
1708
01:25:57.640 --> 01:25:58.600
Thanks, Vince. Talk to you soon.
1709
01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:01.279
Stevenson Sylvester, one of the best to do it at
1710
01:26:01.300 --> 01:26:03.760
the University of Utah, now on our broadcast team, sitting
1711
01:26:03.779 --> 01:26:06.619
alongside Bill Riley for the call coming up on Saturday.
1712
01:26:07.359 --> 01:26:09.949
Game day is in town. It is a blackout. Do
1713
01:26:09.989 --> 01:26:12.590
you have your gear? Well, good news, if you don't,
1714
01:26:13.149 --> 01:26:15.210
we can help you out here at Rally House, okay?
1715
01:26:15.229 --> 01:26:18.420
It's 624 East, 400 South. Right in the heart of
1716
01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:21.079
downtown Salt Lake City, right next to Trader Joe's. If
1717
01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:23.699
you want to buy some flowers or a single-serving dinner
1718
01:26:24.460 --> 01:26:28.659
or maybe some sauces and such, come on by. 624 East,
1719
01:26:28.659 --> 01:26:32.399
400 South, downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. And my guy, Jesse,
1720
01:26:32.420 --> 01:26:34.079
stops by to tell us what's going on.
1721
01:26:34.119 --> 01:26:34.560
What's up, man?
1722
01:26:34.579 --> 01:26:34.880
How are you?
1723
01:26:34.939 --> 01:26:35.199
Hello.
1724
01:26:35.270 --> 01:26:35.439
Good.
1725
01:26:35.470 --> 01:26:36.319
How are you? All right.
1726
01:26:36.350 --> 01:26:37.569
Let's start with the blackout game.
1727
01:26:37.810 --> 01:26:37.970
Yes.
1728
01:26:37.989 --> 01:26:39.949
You do not want to be the Utah fan sitting
1729
01:26:39.989 --> 01:26:42.250
in a sea of black with your red or white shirt.
1730
01:26:42.289 --> 01:26:43.210
So tell us what we got.
1731
01:26:43.529 --> 01:26:47.100
So we have a lot of just blackouts. game day
1732
01:26:47.149 --> 01:26:49.029
specific gear for this.
1733
01:26:49.050 --> 01:26:49.630
We got a lot of.
1734
01:26:49.609 --> 01:26:54.130
Devin Dampier shirts. Definitely a lot of shirts with swoop
1735
01:26:54.270 --> 01:26:56.869
on them. Anything that would fit your style. A lot
1736
01:26:56.909 --> 01:27:00.630
of stuff for women as well. So anything that you
1737
01:27:00.670 --> 01:27:02.289
really need for any type of day that we have,
1738
01:27:02.390 --> 01:27:04.850
you can come on in and definitely take a look.
1739
01:27:04.869 --> 01:27:07.350
Got some jerseys for sale as well. It's going to
1740
01:27:07.380 --> 01:27:08.350
be a little chilly, right?
1741
01:27:08.479 --> 01:27:08.850
It is.
1742
01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:11.520
We've got the sweatshirts. We've got the jackets. Everything you need, right?
1743
01:27:11.539 --> 01:27:12.159
We do. Yep.
1744
01:27:12.260 --> 01:27:15.649
Definitely got some rain jackets as well. I got some beanies.
1745
01:27:15.710 --> 01:27:17.119
If you want to put something on top of your head,
1746
01:27:17.260 --> 01:27:18.640
just make sure you stay warm because I know it
1747
01:27:18.659 --> 01:27:19.500
gets a little chilly over here.
1748
01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:20.039
Indeed.
1749
01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:21.979
I want to kind of hone in on. So when
1750
01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:24.970
you say game day shirts, we mean like ESPN game
1751
01:27:25.010 --> 01:27:25.590
day official.
1752
01:27:25.699 --> 01:27:26.250
Absolutely.
1753
01:27:26.350 --> 01:27:27.810
So I T-shirt sweatshirts and such.
1754
01:27:27.890 --> 01:27:29.050
Absolutely. Absolutely.
1755
01:27:29.069 --> 01:27:29.250
Yep.
1756
01:27:29.350 --> 01:27:32.289
And we get those in fairly often, too. And we'll
1757
01:27:32.329 --> 01:27:34.300
keep them even after game day as well. So we'll
1758
01:27:34.310 --> 01:27:36.140
be able to pick them up if you happen to.
1759
01:27:36.770 --> 01:27:37.890
miss some of the stuff for game day.
1760
01:27:38.020 --> 01:27:40.970
And we'll take care of our BYU brethren, right? Absolutely.
1761
01:27:41.010 --> 01:27:42.489
BYU gear. Absolutely.
1762
01:27:42.529 --> 01:27:48.369
We have a lot of BYU gear. A lot of it, jerseys, hats, sweatshirts,
1763
01:27:48.590 --> 01:27:50.869
even leather jackets as well.
1764
01:27:51.010 --> 01:27:53.390
Right on. Jesse, thanks for stopping by, man. Come get
1765
01:27:53.409 --> 01:27:57.289
your gear for ESPN College game day at Rice Eccles Stadium.
1766
01:27:57.569 --> 01:27:59.789
Of course, blackout game, so we've got a bunch of
1767
01:27:59.930 --> 01:28:02.770
options at the Rally House at 620 Forties, 400 South.
1768
01:28:04.779 --> 01:28:07.460
here in Salt Lake City, right next to Trader Joe's
1769
01:28:08.140 --> 01:28:09.779
at the Rally House. So come on by and say
1770
01:28:09.819 --> 01:28:11.680
what's up. All right, we'll catch a quick break. Coming
1771
01:28:11.739 --> 01:28:14.659
up on the other side, Kyle Bonagura, who covers college
1772
01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:18.779
football for ESPN, is our guest. It's a blackout game
1773
01:28:18.819 --> 01:28:22.470
Saturday night, so hopefully you have your gear, your blackout
1774
01:28:22.479 --> 01:28:24.850
gear ready. And if you don't, right when you walk in,
1775
01:28:24.869 --> 01:28:28.029
you're going to be inundated with options, including official ESPN
1776
01:28:28.050 --> 01:28:31.989
game day T-shirts, sweatshirts, crew necks, and more. So a
1777
01:28:32.050 --> 01:28:34.750
big night coming up on Saturday night. And our next
1778
01:28:34.789 --> 01:28:38.100
guest covers college football for ESPN on a Thursday afternoon.
1779
01:28:38.149 --> 01:28:40.380
We welcome in Kyle Bonagura. Hello, sir. How are you?
1780
01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:42.600
I'm doing well.
1781
01:28:42.619 --> 01:28:43.020
How are you?
1782
01:28:43.659 --> 01:28:45.979
I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Appreciate your time. So
1783
01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:47.859
let's jump around a little bit here and we'll get
1784
01:28:47.890 --> 01:28:51.489
to Utah Houston coming up on Saturday. But of course,
1785
01:28:51.550 --> 01:28:54.829
last weekend was a big weekend here in our state.
1786
01:28:54.890 --> 01:28:57.329
College game day was down in Provo. They'll be in
1787
01:28:57.390 --> 01:29:01.470
Salt Lake on Saturday. And BYU got it done. There
1788
01:29:01.510 --> 01:29:03.630
was a little controversy at the end, of course, as
1789
01:29:03.649 --> 01:29:06.180
you can imagine. That's been hotly debated here in the market.
1790
01:29:06.220 --> 01:29:08.279
But what did you make of BYU beating Notre Dame
1791
01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:08.760
last week?
1792
01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:14.920
Yeah, I mean, just a statement performance, a statement win.
1793
01:29:14.939 --> 01:29:17.359
I mean, I thought the school showed out, just like
1794
01:29:17.390 --> 01:29:20.329
the atmosphere was electric. You know, game day was a
1795
01:29:20.369 --> 01:29:24.670
good watch. And then it really validated kind of everything
1796
01:29:24.689 --> 01:29:27.539
they've been doing for the last few years to– to
1797
01:29:27.579 --> 01:29:31.119
welcome Notre Dame in and to win a close game.
1798
01:29:31.140 --> 01:29:33.079
Obviously the end is, you know, kind of muddies it
1799
01:29:33.100 --> 01:29:34.350
a little bit at the end, but I think like,
1800
01:29:34.390 --> 01:29:37.310
regardless of the call at the end or how that
1801
01:29:37.350 --> 01:29:39.930
went down, it doesn't like change the overall performance of
1802
01:29:39.970 --> 01:29:42.250
the game and how they look without LJ Martin too.
1803
01:29:42.289 --> 01:29:44.729
So yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it was
1804
01:29:44.750 --> 01:29:48.279
a dream night for, for BYU and now they've got,
1805
01:29:48.340 --> 01:29:49.920
you know, everything to play for and a little bit
1806
01:29:49.939 --> 01:29:54.310
of a margin of error and, It's also beyond the
1807
01:29:54.390 --> 01:29:57.609
impact it has for their own future. It's a big
1808
01:29:57.630 --> 01:30:01.970
win for the Big 12 and what playing BYU now
1809
01:30:02.010 --> 01:30:04.100
means for teams like Utah and Texas Tech.
1810
01:30:05.460 --> 01:30:08.220
So let's talk about the end of the game. Several
1811
01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:11.920
different angles of the hand fighting that was going on.
1812
01:30:11.939 --> 01:30:14.720
A lot of people believe it was pass interference. I'm
1813
01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:17.119
one of those people that believe it was pass interference.
1814
01:30:17.180 --> 01:30:20.539
I also understand that plays like that happen throughout the
1815
01:30:20.579 --> 01:30:24.100
game and calls are missed. There was definitely a second left,
1816
01:30:24.310 --> 01:30:27.470
so much so the Big 12 came out afterwards and said,
1817
01:30:28.170 --> 01:30:30.590
we kind of blew that one. Now, BYU fans will
1818
01:30:30.609 --> 01:30:33.939
tell you that the clock didn't start on time, and
1819
01:30:33.979 --> 01:30:37.739
therefore the play took the allocated seconds left. They're reaching
1820
01:30:37.760 --> 01:30:39.779
a little bit, in my opinion. To your point, it
1821
01:30:39.819 --> 01:30:43.020
doesn't change performance, but how did you kind of digest
1822
01:30:43.060 --> 01:30:44.630
that whole thing at the end of the game last week?
1823
01:30:46.779 --> 01:30:49.439
Yeah, I mean, in the moment, I didn't see the
1824
01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:51.770
second of the clock thing until maybe like half an
1825
01:30:51.789 --> 01:30:53.630
hour later when it kind of bubbled up a little
1826
01:30:53.649 --> 01:30:56.170
bit on social media. It just didn't occur to me live.
1827
01:30:58.029 --> 01:31:00.029
I hadn't heard the starting the clock late thing either.
1828
01:31:00.069 --> 01:31:01.800
Maybe I'm just kind of checked out on social media
1829
01:31:01.819 --> 01:31:05.100
too much. But, yeah, look, there was definitely a second left,
1830
01:31:05.140 --> 01:31:07.800
like you said. And so, you know, when you see
1831
01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:09.319
that ball hit the turf and you see the one
1832
01:31:09.380 --> 01:31:14.550
on the clock, it's definitive that, separate from the idea
1833
01:31:14.590 --> 01:31:16.649
that it was started late. There should have been another
1834
01:31:16.710 --> 01:31:19.909
snap based on where the clock was when it ended.
1835
01:31:20.689 --> 01:31:23.170
The pass interference call, those things get missed all the time. It's,
1836
01:31:23.340 --> 01:31:26.899
of course, going to be under a microscope in that situation.
1837
01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:31.140
I thought it was pass interference also, but those happen
1838
01:31:31.159 --> 01:31:33.500
throughout a game. At the end, it just makes it
1839
01:31:33.819 --> 01:31:37.859
an easier talking point. The second on the clock for
1840
01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:42.920
me is... It's so black and white that it, of course,
1841
01:31:42.979 --> 01:31:46.279
is going to be a talking point for, you know,
1842
01:31:46.340 --> 01:31:47.899
for as long as people want to talk about this game.
1843
01:31:48.010 --> 01:31:48.510
It doesn't.
1844
01:31:48.829 --> 01:31:53.430
So, like, it's not like the Michigan Western Michigan game
1845
01:31:53.529 --> 01:31:55.630
in that, like, we know that it flips the result.
1846
01:31:55.689 --> 01:31:55.909
Right.
1847
01:31:55.930 --> 01:31:58.840
Because they still would have had to. you know, score
1848
01:31:58.859 --> 01:32:00.850
a touchdown deep in the red zone, which is not
1849
01:32:01.210 --> 01:32:02.130
an easy thing to do.
1850
01:32:02.189 --> 01:32:02.350
Right.
1851
01:32:02.369 --> 01:32:04.210
But it would have given him a chance to do that.
1852
01:32:04.229 --> 01:32:06.390
So we don't, we can't just, Oh, if this was called,
1853
01:32:06.449 --> 01:32:08.489
it's like, if it was called differently, we know the
1854
01:32:08.529 --> 01:32:11.119
result would have been different. We just would have had
1855
01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:13.460
another play. And, you know, I think, you know, BYU
1856
01:32:13.659 --> 01:32:16.979
like odds are better than 50% chance that the BYU
1857
01:32:17.020 --> 01:32:21.699
holds again. Um, but yeah, like, uh, But, you know,
1858
01:32:21.779 --> 01:32:25.399
that's sports, right? And that's how people are going to
1859
01:32:25.420 --> 01:32:28.159
have to make sense of that and however they want
1860
01:32:28.180 --> 01:32:29.770
to kind of put it into proper perspective.
1861
01:32:30.819 --> 01:32:33.729
Yeah, for sure. One more thing here and then we'll
1862
01:32:33.770 --> 01:32:37.750
move on. I've said this all week. Is BYU the
1863
01:32:37.789 --> 01:32:41.590
second best team in college football? I don't know. They
1864
01:32:41.710 --> 01:32:44.199
absolutely have earned their ranking. There's a case to be
1865
01:32:44.239 --> 01:32:47.380
made that they should be ranked number one. as Miami's
1866
01:32:47.420 --> 01:32:49.939
only ranked win is the 17th ranked team in the country,
1867
01:32:49.979 --> 01:32:53.760
Wake Forest. And BYU now has a win on their
1868
01:32:53.779 --> 01:32:56.529
resume against, at the time, the number two team in
1869
01:32:56.550 --> 01:32:58.890
the country, Notre Dame, and now a top 25 team
1870
01:32:58.930 --> 01:33:01.789
in Arizona. So, like I said, I don't know if
1871
01:33:01.829 --> 01:33:03.789
they're the second best team in America, but I do
1872
01:33:03.810 --> 01:33:05.689
feel like they've earned their ranking. What about you?
1873
01:33:07.029 --> 01:33:08.479
Yeah, no, I think that's a good way to characterize
1874
01:33:08.539 --> 01:33:12.260
it because, you know, with that, no one plays the
1875
01:33:12.300 --> 01:33:14.340
same schedule and we're only halfway through the regular season.
1876
01:33:14.380 --> 01:33:14.560
Right.
1877
01:33:14.579 --> 01:33:16.699
And so I think that they, you know, you can
1878
01:33:16.739 --> 01:33:19.760
make the case that they have the best win of anyone, right.
1879
01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:21.770
They have a better win than any of Miami's wins.
1880
01:33:21.789 --> 01:33:24.029
Although the Wake Forest one is looking pretty good for Miami.
1881
01:33:24.149 --> 01:33:26.189
Wake Forest is actually, I think a really good team.
1882
01:33:26.210 --> 01:33:28.409
You know, Texas has got the win over Ohio state,
1883
01:33:28.430 --> 01:33:29.989
but we, you know, they've got a pair of losses.
1884
01:33:30.050 --> 01:33:32.699
And so, yeah, I think based on having the best
1885
01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:35.880
win or arguably the best win being undefeated, you know,
1886
01:33:36.569 --> 01:33:38.449
not just that, but they've had a track record of
1887
01:33:38.489 --> 01:33:41.489
success over the last few years where that kind of
1888
01:33:41.569 --> 01:33:43.640
adds to the idea that Kalani knows what he's doing.
1889
01:33:43.920 --> 01:33:47.119
This is a program that has routinely won for three
1890
01:33:47.159 --> 01:33:49.739
years now. So I think we stack all these things together.
1891
01:33:50.539 --> 01:33:52.720
It's deserved to be there, to be one or two.
1892
01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:57.050
Either way, I think you will be valid in making
1893
01:33:57.069 --> 01:34:00.050
that case. But I've watched Miami quite a bit too,
1894
01:34:00.109 --> 01:34:02.590
and look, they're really fun to watch. Explosive on offense,
1895
01:34:02.630 --> 01:34:06.310
much more explosive offensively than in BYU. And so we
1896
01:34:06.319 --> 01:34:08.630
got some time. We'll, we'll, we'll get a common opponent
1897
01:34:08.689 --> 01:34:11.390
between them here in a few weeks when Miami put
1898
01:34:11.409 --> 01:34:13.949
Notre Dame and maybe that tips the scales one way
1899
01:34:13.970 --> 01:34:16.930
or the other. But yeah, like it's such a good
1900
01:34:16.989 --> 01:34:20.470
problem to have, right. Whether like for BYU to be,
1901
01:34:20.510 --> 01:34:22.430
to be at this point in the season, I think,
1902
01:34:22.449 --> 01:34:25.140
you know, they were so close the last couple of
1903
01:34:25.149 --> 01:34:27.100
years for making the playoffs. Now I feel really good
1904
01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:30.779
about them getting in. Cause that's really, that's really the deal, right?
1905
01:34:31.060 --> 01:34:32.880
As long as you get in, give yourself a chance
1906
01:34:32.899 --> 01:34:35.000
to go win the title and, like where you're at
1907
01:34:35.039 --> 01:34:38.090
at this point, rankings-wise, that doesn't really matter. So I
1908
01:34:38.109 --> 01:34:40.689
think for BYU to have that margin of error, like
1909
01:34:40.850 --> 01:34:44.189
they're a safer pick now to reach the college football
1910
01:34:44.210 --> 01:34:48.829
playoff as any team has been at this stage outside
1911
01:34:48.850 --> 01:34:53.539
of the Big Ten and the SEC since the playoff expanded.
1912
01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:58.560
So Julian Sane is hurt, but I still believe Jeremiah
1913
01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:02.260
Smith will win the Heisman Trophy. It's just impossible regardless
1914
01:35:02.279 --> 01:35:02.699
of who's.
1915
01:35:02.560 --> 01:35:03.079
On her center.
1916
01:35:03.800 --> 01:35:08.000
Bear Bachmeier is now the sixth shortest odds to win
1917
01:35:08.060 --> 01:35:11.640
the thing. Like I said, I don't think that he can,
1918
01:35:11.720 --> 01:35:14.829
but maybe an invite to New York is on the
1919
01:35:14.869 --> 01:35:18.010
table for Bear as BYU has started the season undefeated,
1920
01:35:18.069 --> 01:35:20.050
and he's the main impetus as to why. Give me
1921
01:35:20.069 --> 01:35:20.770
your thoughts on that.
1922
01:35:23.109 --> 01:35:25.270
That sounds right, yeah. I don't think he's going to
1923
01:35:25.310 --> 01:35:30.460
have the numbers ultimately to win it, but getting invited
1924
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:34.300
to the ceremony, that's still a legit accomplishment and something
1925
01:35:34.319 --> 01:35:36.579
to be proud of and aspire to have. You get
1926
01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:38.779
to be part of the ceremonies, you get the marketing
1927
01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:42.840
that comes with that. I would have a hard time,
1928
01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:46.039
you know, putting him ahead of, of Mensa at Miami, just,
1929
01:35:46.180 --> 01:35:49.029
just from the quarterbacks on undefeated teams, like Mensa stats
1930
01:35:49.050 --> 01:35:52.130
are so incredible. He's, he's clearly the better quarterback and
1931
01:35:52.149 --> 01:35:55.310
the more prolific quarterback. And so he's not going to
1932
01:35:55.550 --> 01:35:58.520
pass him in my opinion. I guess it's, Notre Dame
1933
01:35:58.539 --> 01:36:01.140
beats Miami, maybe we can revisit that discussion, but the
1934
01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:02.140
stats are not going to be.
1935
01:36:02.319 --> 01:36:03.500
They're not going to be close.
1936
01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:06.060
And then, you know, Jeremiah Smith is still far and away, like,
1937
01:36:06.600 --> 01:36:09.500
the most productive player in college football this year that, like,
1938
01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:12.000
he certainly looks like he's on his way to winning it,
1939
01:36:12.050 --> 01:36:14.529
but at the same time, like, it's rarely a wide
1940
01:36:14.569 --> 01:36:18.149
receiver award, too, right? So if Ohio State loses another
1941
01:36:18.189 --> 01:36:20.189
game or two and they're sitting there at three losses
1942
01:36:20.210 --> 01:36:23.350
and you have someone like Menzo with big stats on
1943
01:36:23.390 --> 01:36:25.489
an undefeated Miami team ranked number one in the country, like,
1944
01:36:25.529 --> 01:36:29.369
I think that that could, you know, the conversation could
1945
01:36:29.390 --> 01:36:31.689
be shaped differently in December.
1946
01:36:32.989 --> 01:36:34.979
I'm just seeing this. So before we get to the
1947
01:36:35.100 --> 01:36:39.119
Ute stuff, for our listeners, Kyle Bonagura is part of
1948
01:36:39.159 --> 01:36:44.380
the bowl projections and the CFP projections for ESPN.com. And
1949
01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:48.680
I'm seeing under the name Bonagura, number two BYU versus
1950
01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:52.260
number one Miami for the national championship, Kyle.
1951
01:36:54.760 --> 01:36:57.239
That is an accurate reading of my bowl projections, folks.
1952
01:36:58.250 --> 01:37:00.670
Okay. Care to elaborate at all?
1953
01:37:01.310 --> 01:37:01.609
Yeah.
1954
01:37:01.649 --> 01:37:02.310
So, so yeah.
1955
01:37:02.329 --> 01:37:03.510
So I think like the way I do it is like,
1956
01:37:03.550 --> 01:37:05.810
I think like right now they're, they're wanting to, and
1957
01:37:05.829 --> 01:37:08.609
then like the way I always do, we, we, we,
1958
01:37:08.850 --> 01:37:11.489
we read it through, right. We, we, we play it
1959
01:37:11.569 --> 01:37:13.949
out and I always just do higher seeds for, for
1960
01:37:13.970 --> 01:37:15.770
picking those games all the way through. I think like,
1961
01:37:15.810 --> 01:37:17.739
that's just the fairest way to do it right now.
1962
01:37:17.779 --> 01:37:20.079
And so yeah, I got Miami one, BYU two, I
1963
01:37:20.420 --> 01:37:22.619
think I have Utah pretty high up too, maybe five
1964
01:37:22.640 --> 01:37:26.619
or six as well. And I think, Texas Tech might
1965
01:37:26.640 --> 01:37:28.350
have jumped in this week as well. So it's been
1966
01:37:28.399 --> 01:37:31.090
a really good week for the Big 12.
1967
01:37:31.090 --> 01:37:35.369
You have Utah number five taking on Georgia number four
1968
01:37:35.630 --> 01:37:39.770
in the Fiesta Bowl, which I believe would be the quarterfinals.
1969
01:37:39.930 --> 01:37:42.670
So you also think very highly of Utah right now, yeah?
1970
01:37:44.369 --> 01:37:44.609
I do.
1971
01:37:44.630 --> 01:37:48.590
I think that, look, them being undefeated right now is
1972
01:37:48.909 --> 01:37:51.869
you just– there's more to play and it's going to
1973
01:37:51.890 --> 01:37:53.310
all change and all that. But I think you're just
1974
01:37:53.329 --> 01:37:55.960
going to have to– If you're from a power conference
1975
01:37:56.000 --> 01:38:00.170
and you're undefeated, you've got some decent wins. Utah's strength
1976
01:38:00.189 --> 01:38:02.050
of schedule isn't great right now, but again, this is
1977
01:38:02.069 --> 01:38:04.949
a team that for two years has been as good
1978
01:38:05.010 --> 01:38:08.170
as one of the top programs in college football. I
1979
01:38:08.229 --> 01:38:10.260
think they have the longest winning streak in the country now.
1980
01:38:10.850 --> 01:38:13.479
There's a lot to like there. I felt a little
1981
01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:17.340
bit off sending them that high this week when they
1982
01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:20.319
probably played their worst game of the year, squeaking out
1983
01:38:20.359 --> 01:38:23.510
the– the win against Colorado. And so, but there was
1984
01:38:23.529 --> 01:38:26.579
just so much chaos last weekend in college football that
1985
01:38:26.619 --> 01:38:29.750
you couldn't, it's so circular with the logic, you know,
1986
01:38:30.220 --> 01:38:33.569
you know, Ohio state, Alabama, everyone's got losses now. And,
1987
01:38:34.779 --> 01:38:37.960
Miami not playing well, BYU rising up Notre Dame. There
1988
01:38:37.979 --> 01:38:40.680
was so much that happened that I just kind of
1989
01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:43.649
felt like I had Utah maybe around nine last week,
1990
01:38:43.689 --> 01:38:45.189
and it was like, look, they haven't lost a game yet.
1991
01:38:45.229 --> 01:38:47.590
Let's give them the benefit of the doubt, and we'll
1992
01:38:47.630 --> 01:38:50.090
see how it plays out. And by the way, the
1993
01:38:50.409 --> 01:38:53.409
number five spot is such a good spot to be
1994
01:38:53.430 --> 01:38:56.050
because it puts you against a group of five. It's
1995
01:38:56.090 --> 01:38:58.829
so much better to be in five than six versus
1996
01:38:58.909 --> 01:39:01.760
six versus seven. That jump from six to five is
1997
01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:04.859
is massive because you get the group of five teams
1998
01:39:04.899 --> 01:39:06.090
coming in at the number 12 spot.
1999
01:39:07.189 --> 01:39:10.189
So College Game Day was able to save some money
2000
01:39:10.210 --> 01:39:13.729
in the budget and just drove up the street about
2001
01:39:13.729 --> 01:39:15.930
40 miles here to Salt Lake City, and they're setting
2002
01:39:15.970 --> 01:39:19.130
up right now. And students are camping out, getting ready
2003
01:39:19.189 --> 01:39:21.729
for their opportunity to be a part of that show.
2004
01:39:22.489 --> 01:39:24.329
And I think this is the biggest game of the weekend.
2005
01:39:24.489 --> 01:39:27.489
We have Utah-Houston here in Salt Lake. It'll be, of course,
2006
01:39:27.569 --> 01:39:29.420
on our radio station as the home of the Utes.
2007
01:39:30.050 --> 01:39:33.430
The line moved towards Utah. They're now a full touchdown favorite.
2008
01:39:33.449 --> 01:39:36.149
I wouldn't touch the line. Well, as I say every week,
2009
01:39:36.170 --> 01:39:38.510
do not bet on this stuff. This is impossible to predict.
2010
01:39:39.409 --> 01:39:41.920
You cannot run from the fact, Kyle, that so far
2011
01:39:42.060 --> 01:39:46.279
Utah's opponents have a combined record of 14-25, and none
2012
01:39:46.319 --> 01:39:50.359
of them have a winning record. The Colorado game got dicey.
2013
01:39:50.939 --> 01:39:53.079
There are some rumors in the marketplace that the flu
2014
01:39:53.140 --> 01:39:57.229
was permeating throughout Utah's locker room, including... Bird Ficklin, who
2015
01:39:57.250 --> 01:40:00.170
we didn't see very much. I can't corroborate that, but
2016
01:40:00.189 --> 01:40:03.170
it would make sense because Bird didn't play much. Isaac
2017
01:40:03.189 --> 01:40:07.100
Wilson drops back 33 times, and he's pressured four. Utah
2018
01:40:07.279 --> 01:40:10.140
is 68th in the country in sacks per game and
2019
01:40:10.479 --> 01:40:13.239
92nd in sack percentage per game. Now, Morgan's not concerned
2020
01:40:13.279 --> 01:40:16.699
about that because their run defense and other metrics they
2021
01:40:17.520 --> 01:40:20.119
lean into are still very stout, even though they're not
2022
01:40:20.220 --> 01:40:23.569
pressuring or sacking the quarterback. This is a different beast.
2023
01:40:23.729 --> 01:40:25.550
Willie Fritz is a good coach. This is a good
2024
01:40:25.609 --> 01:40:29.449
Houston team. They're balanced on offense. Connor Wegman leads the
2025
01:40:29.470 --> 01:40:32.869
Big 12 in QBR, but they run it 54% of
2026
01:40:32.890 --> 01:40:34.710
the time, which is fifth in college football, and they're
2027
01:40:34.750 --> 01:40:37.529
seventh in EPA per rush. So you can't lean into
2028
01:40:37.689 --> 01:40:39.880
one side or the other because they're going to beat
2029
01:40:39.899 --> 01:40:44.319
you by both running and throwing the football. Defensively, Houston's
2030
01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:47.100
vulnerable through the air, and so we'll see if that
2031
01:40:47.180 --> 01:40:50.180
is able to manifest. We're expecting a chilly yet dry
2032
01:40:50.239 --> 01:40:52.670
Saturday night here in Salt Lake City. So let's lean
2033
01:40:52.689 --> 01:40:54.310
into this game, Kyle. What do you think we're going
2034
01:40:54.329 --> 01:40:56.140
to see? What do you make of Houston being in
2035
01:40:56.180 --> 01:40:57.180
town with College Game Day?
2036
01:40:58.750 --> 01:41:01.149
Yeah, number one, I do agree that it is the
2037
01:41:01.189 --> 01:41:02.930
best game of the week, and I think there's only
2038
01:41:02.949 --> 01:41:05.050
two ranked games this week, and this is the more
2039
01:41:05.210 --> 01:41:08.449
appetizing one for sure. Utah has quietly become the capital
2040
01:41:08.470 --> 01:41:11.170
of college football the last couple weeks, which is.
2041
01:41:11.140 --> 01:41:11.560
Kind of fun.
2042
01:41:12.119 --> 01:41:17.180
But yeah, I think Houston, for me, is probably the
2043
01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:22.460
biggest pleasant surprise of the year in the Big 12.
2044
01:41:22.460 --> 01:41:24.180
We knew they were good. they had the potential to
2045
01:41:24.199 --> 01:41:25.659
be good. There was like a lot to like coming
2046
01:41:25.699 --> 01:41:27.300
into the year, but they really kind of lived up
2047
01:41:27.319 --> 01:41:30.239
to that. Probably should be Texas tech. I'm sure they
2048
01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:31.899
want that one back. They were just a couple of
2049
01:41:31.939 --> 01:41:34.590
plays away from, from winning that one to be, you know,
2050
01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:37.989
seven and oh undefeated right now in, in storylines for
2051
01:41:38.010 --> 01:41:39.970
this week would be the more appealing.
2052
01:41:40.010 --> 01:41:40.250
Right.
2053
01:41:40.829 --> 01:41:43.829
But yeah, I think, you know, Utah for me still
2054
01:41:43.850 --> 01:41:46.649
feels like a dessert favorite here. It is their biggest
2055
01:41:46.689 --> 01:41:50.069
test of the year. I want to say that, you know,
2056
01:41:50.390 --> 01:41:55.159
the Colorado game, should serve as kind of a wake-up call, right? That, hey,
2057
01:41:55.220 --> 01:41:58.359
you're kind of cruising for five games, right? Kansas could
2058
01:41:58.380 --> 01:42:02.359
be a little bit, you know, challenge you a little bit, right?
2059
01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:04.590
They scored 24 points, and that was the most they've
2060
01:42:04.600 --> 01:42:07.869
allowed in a game all year. And then, you know,
2061
01:42:07.890 --> 01:42:10.750
Colorado really made it competitive in a way that I
2062
01:42:10.770 --> 01:42:13.010
was like, ooh, this could be ugly. After the whole
2063
01:42:13.050 --> 01:42:15.250
day had progressed and there were so many episodes, I
2064
01:42:15.289 --> 01:42:18.039
just would just be like, kind of a fitting topper
2065
01:42:18.079 --> 01:42:20.460
to a day of chaos. So, yeah, I mean, I
2066
01:42:20.460 --> 01:42:22.340
haven't watched a ton of Houston the last couple weeks,
2067
01:42:22.899 --> 01:42:25.720
but I know what is good, and it'll be an
2068
01:42:25.800 --> 01:42:27.390
intriguing test for Utah.
2069
01:42:28.449 --> 01:42:31.670
Where do you find yourselves, Kyle, at this point with
2070
01:42:31.689 --> 01:42:34.569
the top of the conference? You know, I know a
2071
01:42:34.609 --> 01:42:37.109
good portion, maybe the majority of Ute fans, will never
2072
01:42:37.149 --> 01:42:40.840
cheer for BYU to win anything at all, whether it's
2073
01:42:40.850 --> 01:42:44.810
football or swimming, but the BYU win, now gives Utah
2074
01:42:44.949 --> 01:42:48.829
an opportunity that they didn't have prior to, and BYU did.
2075
01:42:48.909 --> 01:42:52.810
BYU had a top-two team in Provo, and now if
2076
01:42:53.050 --> 01:42:56.420
both these teams handle their business on November the 7th,
2077
01:42:56.739 --> 01:42:59.960
Utah will have their opportunity at home against a top-two team.
2078
01:43:00.939 --> 01:43:04.399
Texas Tech's schedule continues to allow them probably just to
2079
01:43:04.439 --> 01:43:07.439
fall forward into the Big 12 championship game, although I
2080
01:43:07.439 --> 01:43:09.789
wouldn't be surprised if they got God, but the schedule
2081
01:43:09.829 --> 01:43:12.739
is the schedule. So we're sitting here with four teams
2082
01:43:12.760 --> 01:43:18.569
in the top 14, five teams in the top 25, BYU, Tech, Utah, Houston,
2083
01:43:18.689 --> 01:43:21.170
in that order. And then, of course, there's Arizona at five.
2084
01:43:21.909 --> 01:43:24.109
I don't want to get greedy and talk about three
2085
01:43:24.170 --> 01:43:26.489
teams in the CFP, but maybe we need to start
2086
01:43:26.590 --> 01:43:28.710
considering that as a possibility. But where are you at
2087
01:43:28.750 --> 01:43:32.130
right now, Kyle, with the top of the Big 12?
2088
01:43:32.880 --> 01:43:35.000
It's, yeah, I mean, it's played out about as well
2089
01:43:35.060 --> 01:43:36.699
as the conference could have hoped for. And I know
2090
01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:38.659
we even talked about this, I can appreciate it, but
2091
01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:40.159
we kind of looked at it in tiers, right? And
2092
01:43:40.180 --> 01:43:44.109
like tier one was BYU, Texas Tech, Utah, and that
2093
01:43:44.149 --> 01:43:46.229
has not changed. But in addition to that, I think
2094
01:43:46.289 --> 01:43:49.930
Houston and Arizona have also showed that they're pretty darn
2095
01:43:49.949 --> 01:43:52.760
good as well. Houston's only losses to Tech. Arizona's only
2096
01:43:52.779 --> 01:43:57.640
losses to BYU, and so that's circular at the top five.
2097
01:43:57.699 --> 01:44:01.479
You have three 6-0 teams, two 1-loss teams who lost
2098
01:44:01.500 --> 01:44:04.239
to the undefeated teams in the conference. That's a really
2099
01:44:04.420 --> 01:44:09.779
impressive cohort there to headline the conference. For Utah, it's
2100
01:44:09.850 --> 01:44:11.989
really tempting to look ahead and look to see what
2101
01:44:12.029 --> 01:44:15.550
might be possible because I think they're at 10 and
2102
01:44:15.550 --> 01:44:19.229
8 people right now, right? But they've got three ranked
2103
01:44:19.270 --> 01:44:22.300
teams in the next four weeks, and Cincinnati is 4-2.
2104
01:44:22.289 --> 01:44:25.880
If you run the table there, you're sitting at 10-0.
2105
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You'll have a win against BYU, which, assuming they're undefeated
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when they beat them, will either be 1-2 at that point.
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01:44:34.369 --> 01:44:36.170
Now you have to kind of allow for the possibility, okay,
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01:44:36.250 --> 01:44:39.729
where would Utah climb in the poll, maybe undefeated? Does
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01:44:39.770 --> 01:44:42.149
Miami stay undefeated if they lose to Notre Dame? There
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01:44:42.189 --> 01:44:45.250
is a non-zero chance that Utah could move all the
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01:44:45.270 --> 01:44:47.310
way to number one the way the schedule sets up
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just because everyone else has lost, right? And I think
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voters generally like to give the benefit of the doubt
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01:44:54.260 --> 01:44:58.140
to the undefeated teams. And so for Utah, that's really intriguing. But, yeah,
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I mean, Texas Tech hadn't looked very good, and they
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01:45:00.399 --> 01:45:03.470
finally put it together this past weekend, I think, The
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01:45:03.489 --> 01:45:07.050
win against Arizona State was their most comprehensive of the year.
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The win against Houston looks better and better as Houston
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01:45:11.659 --> 01:45:15.819
has continued to play well. But, yeah, it's a dream start,
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01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:18.899
dream first half of the year for the Big 12.
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01:45:18.899 --> 01:45:21.979
Indiana lost last week by a foot, and now they
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01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:25.489
go to Ann Arbor. to take on Michigan and Kyle
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01:45:25.510 --> 01:45:29.050
Winningham at the big house. How do you think this
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01:45:29.109 --> 01:45:31.390
is going to go down? Michigan was able to survive
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01:45:31.430 --> 01:45:33.800
against Penn State. It's been a rough start for Matt Campbell.
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01:45:34.619 --> 01:45:37.680
Of course, it hasn't been nearly what I thought it
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01:45:37.699 --> 01:45:40.020
was going to be for Witt in Ann Arbor. Should
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01:45:40.039 --> 01:45:43.739
they get this win? Maybe this changes the way we
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01:45:43.760 --> 01:45:46.319
start to talk about what they're doing there, but Indiana's
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01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:48.619
a massive favorite, even though they're on the road, as
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01:45:48.659 --> 01:45:50.420
they should be. Before I set you loose, what do
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01:45:50.439 --> 01:45:51.439
you make of Indiana-Michigan?
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01:45:53.979 --> 01:45:56.579
I still like Indiana, even though they lost to Ohio State.
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01:45:56.960 --> 01:45:59.220
Like you said, you catch the ball a few inches over,
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01:45:59.260 --> 01:46:02.010
you're undefeated and probably ranked number one in the country.
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01:46:02.069 --> 01:46:05.869
That's the margin we're talking about. Michigan has looked at 4-2,
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01:46:05.890 --> 01:46:08.710
but that's a little bit misleading. They haven't really looked
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01:46:08.770 --> 01:46:11.689
good at any point, really, all year. For me, I
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01:46:11.850 --> 01:46:16.680
feel pretty confident that Indiana should and will we'll win
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01:46:16.699 --> 01:46:19.500
fairly easily. But it is an opportunity for Michigan to
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01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:25.720
change the tide. There's been so many just ridiculous counter-narrative
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01:46:25.779 --> 01:46:27.600
performances this year that you have to laugh at the
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01:46:27.619 --> 01:46:30.300
possibility that Michigan could still go win this game. And
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01:46:30.319 --> 01:46:33.529
if that happens, then all of a sudden, there's like
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01:46:33.810 --> 01:46:35.729
the vibes change a little bit. That would be a
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01:46:35.770 --> 01:46:38.270
big win. And you can kind of eject a little
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01:46:38.289 --> 01:46:40.989
bit of optimism back into what this season could possibly be.
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01:46:42.029 --> 01:46:42.810
Kyle, you're the man.
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01:46:42.930 --> 01:46:45.289
Have an excellent weekend. Enjoy the games. And we'll chat soon, bud.
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01:46:46.399 --> 01:46:46.579
All right.
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01:46:46.619 --> 01:46:46.960
Thanks, man.
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01:46:47.600 --> 01:46:52.520
Kyle Bonagura covers college football for ESPN. ESPN College Game
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01:46:52.560 --> 01:46:56.399
Day is here this Saturday at Rice-Eccles Stadium. Reminder, it
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01:46:56.460 --> 01:46:58.619
is a blackout. Do not be the Ute fan that's
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01:46:58.699 --> 01:47:01.810
sitting in the stadium next to everyone in black wearing
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01:47:01.829 --> 01:47:03.970
your red or your white, okay? We're all wearing black
2157
01:47:04.010 --> 01:47:07.130
coming up on Saturday night. It's an 8-15 kick. Our
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01:47:07.170 --> 01:47:10.010
pregame coverage begins at 4-15, but here's the deal. We're
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01:47:10.069 --> 01:47:12.810
live today at Rally House having a good time. A
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01:47:12.829 --> 01:47:15.069
lot of people stopping in. If you do not have
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01:47:15.090 --> 01:47:17.229
your gear for Saturday night, this is the place to
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01:47:17.289 --> 01:47:21.409
get it. 624 East, 400 South, right next to Trader Joe's,
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01:47:21.649 --> 01:47:26.020
centralized Salt Lake City, Utah. Game day merch available, T-shirts, hoodies,
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01:47:26.079 --> 01:47:29.619
crew necks. And my guy stopping by once again, my
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01:47:29.659 --> 01:47:30.600
guy Trev. What's up, dude?
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01:47:30.619 --> 01:47:30.939
How are you?
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01:47:31.199 --> 01:47:33.659
I'm doing great. I'm doing great today. How are you doing, Spence?
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01:47:33.739 --> 01:47:36.460
I'm good, man. This is a really cool spot. And
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01:47:36.560 --> 01:47:39.460
for our listeners, you guys are pretty new to the marketplace, right?
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01:47:40.100 --> 01:47:41.819
Yeah, I mean, in Salt Lake City, we're pretty new.
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01:47:41.880 --> 01:47:44.300
I mean, we just opened up in the beginning of August.
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01:47:44.380 --> 01:47:46.970
And so as much stuff as we have in the store,
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01:47:46.979 --> 01:47:48.359
we're going to have even more come to the end
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01:47:48.390 --> 01:47:50.510
of the season. And, like, we're getting more jazz stuff
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01:47:50.569 --> 01:47:53.329
every day because it's coming into the jazz season. We
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01:47:53.350 --> 01:47:56.170
get more Mammoth stuff every day. We get more Utah
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01:47:56.189 --> 01:47:58.609
stuff every day. I mean, we have– we just got
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01:47:58.630 --> 01:48:01.130
a shipment today. We got, like, 60 boxes of new stuff,
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01:48:01.170 --> 01:48:02.949
including a lot of the custom game day items.
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01:48:02.970 --> 01:48:03.090
Nice.
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01:48:03.430 --> 01:48:06.770
Just for college game day this weekend featuring, like, the stadium,
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01:48:06.810 --> 01:48:08.939
and then the University of Houston logo and the University
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01:48:08.979 --> 01:48:10.699
of Utah logo with the date and things like that.
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01:48:10.720 --> 01:48:12.439
I mean, we've got some cool stuff, Spence.
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01:48:12.680 --> 01:48:14.869
Yeah, and it's a good time to come in because
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01:48:14.890 --> 01:48:17.430
you want to commemorate this day. This is the seventh
2187
01:48:17.489 --> 01:48:19.640
time in Utah football history Game Day has been here.
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01:48:20.279 --> 01:48:22.220
So come get a T-shirt or a sweatshirt so in
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01:48:22.260 --> 01:48:24.020
a few years you can look back and be like, oh, yeah,
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01:48:24.039 --> 01:48:26.260
I was there. That was really cool. We're taking care
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01:48:26.279 --> 01:48:27.699
of the ladies, aren't we, Trev?
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01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:28.140
Yes, sir.
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01:48:28.180 --> 01:48:30.000
We've got plenty of stuff. I mean, for everybody. We've
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01:48:30.039 --> 01:48:32.479
got stuff for men, women, and children. We've got stuff
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01:48:32.510 --> 01:48:34.770
for dogs here. I mean, we've got this little fleece
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01:48:34.789 --> 01:48:36.949
hoodie type thing that says University of Utah on the back.
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01:48:36.970 --> 01:48:38.909
It says Swoop. I mean, unless you've got like a
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01:48:38.949 --> 01:48:41.109
bird that that's big, that is that big that you
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01:48:41.130 --> 01:48:42.899
can put that thing on, it's going to be for
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01:48:42.939 --> 01:48:44.579
a dog, and it's going to look good on him too. Yeah,
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01:48:44.600 --> 01:48:45.319
the other thing that's.
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01:48:45.220 --> 01:48:47.560
Cool, I noticed you have Utah skiing gear, you have
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01:48:47.640 --> 01:48:50.880
Utah soccer, Utah basketball, Utah gymnastics, like a little bit
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01:48:50.899 --> 01:48:51.560
of everything, yeah?
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01:48:51.840 --> 01:48:52.180
Yes, sir.
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01:48:52.220 --> 01:48:54.319
We've got a shirt for every sport that the University
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01:48:54.380 --> 01:48:56.399
of Utah has, even some of the club ones. We
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01:48:56.439 --> 01:48:58.439
have University of Utah, we have the soccer shirts, some
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01:48:58.479 --> 01:49:00.899
men's and women's soccer, and we don't have a men's
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01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:02.520
D1 team. It's a club team, but we still have
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01:49:02.539 --> 01:49:02.920
them too.
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01:49:03.079 --> 01:49:05.920
Love it, love it. Last thing. It's looking like the
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01:49:05.979 --> 01:49:07.939
rain's going to hold off, but it's going to be cold.
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01:49:08.220 --> 01:49:10.699
So jackets, beanies, right? You've got stuff to keep our
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01:49:10.779 --> 01:49:12.180
Ute fan listeners.
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01:49:11.899 --> 01:49:12.359
Warm, right?
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01:49:12.470 --> 01:49:14.649
You're absolutely correct. We've got plenty. I mean, if you
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01:49:14.689 --> 01:49:17.710
want to be warm and look good and rep Utah,
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01:49:17.729 --> 01:49:18.869
then you've just got to come to Rally House.
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01:49:18.909 --> 01:49:20.630
There you go. Trev, you're the man. Thanks for stopping by.
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All right, come on by. Here's the deal. It is
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01:49:23.149 --> 01:49:26.420
624 East 400 South here in Salt Lake City, Utah,
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right next to Trader Joe's. Chili's, if you're into the
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01:49:29.979 --> 01:49:33.380
queso dip and margaritas, whatever they have at Chili's, it's
2225
01:49:33.439 --> 01:49:35.529
right over there. Come on by and say what's up.
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624 East, 400 South. As the weather cools down, have
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you noticed that your house is cold even though you
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have the heater up? In the summertime, is it super
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hot even though you have the air conditioning jacked up? Well,
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you need new windows. And also during the fall season,
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a lot of people look to sell their homes. Maybe
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the kids need to transfer schools. You can up the
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curb appeal of your home and make it more valuable
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by getting new windows. And there's only one shop here
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that's Nate Orchard and Jake Weber. You guys know Nate
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and guaranteed for life. Catch a quick break. Coming up next,
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it is Thursday on this show. That means it's SportsCore
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with our friends from Handy and Handy.
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This is Jackson Benny, defensive back for the Utes. I
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get out to SportsCourt on the drive with Spence Checketts
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on Utah's number one sports talk, ESPN 700.
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It is sports court. We do it every Thursday right
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about now with our good friends over at Handy and Handy,
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Garrett and Preston. Happy Thursday, gentlemen. How are we doing?
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Doing well.
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How are you doing, Spence?
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01:51:58.140 --> 01:52:00.699
Doing well. Appreciate the time. So let's get the update
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01:52:00.890 --> 01:52:04.750
on the situation in Ohio. The NCAA has sued the
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01:52:04.789 --> 01:52:08.050
state over the executive order issued by the governor to
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01:52:08.109 --> 01:52:10.729
allow the 5-5, as we've talked about. What's the latest?
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01:52:12.300 --> 01:52:15.100
Yeah, it kind of sounds like a broken record here,
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01:52:15.140 --> 01:52:17.119
but I'll be quick. You know, this is the 5-5
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01:52:17.180 --> 01:52:21.670
rule that came in, and the class of 26, they
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01:52:21.710 --> 01:52:24.850
were denied a fifth year. So around the country, a
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01:52:24.850 --> 01:52:29.550
bunch of players went and filed lawsuits where they're seeking injunctions.
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01:52:29.609 --> 01:52:30.289
And in the state of.
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01:52:30.329 --> 01:52:32.649
Ohio, a bunch of them got an injunction.
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01:52:32.909 --> 01:52:33.710
And then what happened?
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01:52:34.170 --> 01:52:38.109
The NCAA appealed, and kind of everyone was surprised. The
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01:52:38.140 --> 01:52:40.220
Court of Appeals, they came down on the side of
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01:52:40.239 --> 01:52:43.689
the NCAA and They reversed the injunction, and I remember
2285
01:52:43.729 --> 01:52:45.789
the judge came back and said, hey, when you guys entered,
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01:52:45.810 --> 01:52:47.270
you knew you were only getting four years, and I
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01:52:47.329 --> 01:52:51.529
know it sounds unfair, but, you know, I'm released over,
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01:52:51.630 --> 01:52:54.590
you know, overturning the injunction. Well, in response to that,
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01:52:55.289 --> 01:52:58.739
Ohio Governor Mike DeWine last week, he signed an executive
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01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:04.300
order that basically said we're not going to even– Listen
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01:53:04.319 --> 01:53:06.479
to that ruling by the Court of Appeals, and we're
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01:53:06.500 --> 01:53:09.500
not going to abide by the NCAA rule. If you
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01:53:09.520 --> 01:53:12.520
come to the state of Ohio, you get your fifth year.
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01:53:13.220 --> 01:53:16.380
And so, you know, the NCAA, you know, they're just like, oh, man,
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01:53:16.859 --> 01:53:20.949
we fight all of these. We lose the injunctions. Now
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01:53:20.970 --> 01:53:23.130
we've won one, and here's an executive order. What do
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01:53:23.170 --> 01:53:25.369
we do? Well, what do they do? They're going to sue.
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01:53:25.909 --> 01:53:29.689
And Charlie Baker came out, and he made a statement that,
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01:53:29.710 --> 01:53:33.039
you know, this is a misguided attempt at unfairness. So
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01:53:33.079 --> 01:53:36.840
they've sued and they're seeking an injunction, you know, basically
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01:53:36.859 --> 01:53:40.420
saying this executive order is unconstitutional. What they've come up
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01:53:40.479 --> 01:53:43.399
with is that it's unconstitutional in three ways. They state
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01:53:43.439 --> 01:53:49.119
that it is a violation of the Commerce Clause, the U.S. Constitution,
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01:53:50.979 --> 01:53:54.520
conferring advantage to the state of Ohio and its institutions,
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01:53:54.579 --> 01:53:57.600
and it violates the First Amendment by allowing Ohio universities
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01:53:57.970 --> 01:53:59.560
and schools to circumvent.
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01:53:59.119 --> 01:53:59.810
The NCAA rules.
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01:54:00.279 --> 01:54:01.920
And they point out, they say, hey, who really is
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01:54:01.960 --> 01:54:04.819
hurt by this? Are these other states that are doing this?
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You know, it's interesting. We'll see what.
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01:54:09.180 --> 01:54:09.800
Happens on this.
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01:54:09.840 --> 01:54:16.680
But the Tennessee, University of Tennessee athletic director came out
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01:54:16.699 --> 01:54:19.640
of the state and said, this is just becoming comical now.
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01:54:19.840 --> 01:54:21.779
I mean, I think that's kind of the truth, what's
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01:54:21.819 --> 01:54:25.420
going on here with this eligibility stuff. But another point
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01:54:25.460 --> 01:54:29.079
kind of on this eligibility issue, you know, the– In Colorado,
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01:54:29.119 --> 01:54:31.659
the one judge, she went way beyond what she could do,
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01:54:31.739 --> 01:54:34.239
and she granted a nationwide injunction, and that went up
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01:54:34.279 --> 01:54:37.760
on appeal to the Tenth Circuit last week. And all
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01:54:37.819 --> 01:54:42.319
rumorings are that the Tenth Circuit, they're poised to overturn that, saying, no,
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01:54:42.380 --> 01:54:47.079
you can't have a nationwide injunction. So, again, the NCAA
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01:54:47.119 --> 01:54:49.220
fight in these battles. We'll see what happens on this one.
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01:54:49.420 --> 01:54:52.899
I think the executive order is– I think they'll probably
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win this. That's just my guess. But, you know, it
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01:54:55.380 --> 01:54:57.600
might be an Ohio court that gets it. So we'll
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see what happens.
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01:54:59.659 --> 01:55:00.640
All right, Gary, you're up, buddy.
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I thought it was interesting that Governor DeWine's office had said,
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you know, just backpedaling a little bit, maybe that, well,
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01:55:08.779 --> 01:55:11.319
you know, on the one hand, it's just an executive order,
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01:55:12.220 --> 01:55:17.310
which is more advisory, not really law. So anyway, it's
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going to get a little complex here with this type
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01:55:19.699 --> 01:55:22.050
of case. So we'll follow along.
2334
01:55:22.069 --> 01:55:26.630
All right, let's move over to Ezekiel Elliott, who once
2335
01:55:26.670 --> 01:55:29.229
upon a time was a very good player for Ohio State.
2336
01:55:30.199 --> 01:55:34.560
filed an antitrust lawsuit in the NCAA. It looks like,
2337
01:55:34.579 --> 01:55:36.760
from what I'm reading, it's been deemed that this is
2338
01:55:36.840 --> 01:55:38.899
too little too late, but good try.
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01:55:40.560 --> 01:55:44.100
Yeah, that's right, because he was at Ohio State from
2340
01:55:44.100 --> 01:55:48.449
2013 to 2015. It's been over 10 years ago, and
2341
01:55:48.810 --> 01:55:51.710
he's claiming what we've seen a lot of other former
2342
01:55:52.409 --> 01:55:57.020
college athletes claim, that the school and the conference and
2343
01:55:57.050 --> 01:56:00.890
the NCAA have continued to use their NIL without permission, right,
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01:56:00.930 --> 01:56:02.550
and that they've earned money off it. I mean, we've
2345
01:56:02.569 --> 01:56:05.010
talked about this in terms of, you know, with March
2346
01:56:05.050 --> 01:56:09.760
Madness and college basketball players. In fact, Thurl Bailey locally, right,
2347
01:56:09.899 --> 01:56:12.619
and some of his Wolfpack teammates brought a similar suit.
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01:56:13.500 --> 01:56:19.300
And then also Ezekiel Elliott's case is really going to
2349
01:56:19.319 --> 01:56:21.880
be at the mercy of a previous ruling in the
2350
01:56:21.960 --> 01:56:25.239
Terrell Pryor case, who did the same thing, another former
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01:56:25.279 --> 01:56:28.840
Ohio State player. And so what he did here, though,
2352
01:56:29.340 --> 01:56:32.189
a little different, is he brought this case in California
2353
01:56:32.619 --> 01:56:36.449
because there were some laws there that seem more favorable
2354
01:56:36.489 --> 01:56:38.970
for something like this. But at its core, this is
2355
01:56:39.010 --> 01:56:41.529
an antitrust case. I mean, he's saying that the NCAA
2356
01:56:41.550 --> 01:56:45.750
and the Big Ten conspired to keep his NIL at zero,
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01:56:46.449 --> 01:56:49.090
that they continue to run these ads and promotions. And
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01:56:49.170 --> 01:56:55.520
so They filed the NCAA and the Big Ten. They
2359
01:56:55.539 --> 01:56:58.810
have filed a motion to dismiss, and their defense is
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01:56:58.850 --> 01:57:01.270
the statute of limitations. They're just saying it's too late,
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01:57:01.890 --> 01:57:04.130
that the statute of limitations for an antitrust case is
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01:57:04.189 --> 01:57:08.609
four years. We're way past that. Ezekiel Elliott is claiming
2363
01:57:08.649 --> 01:57:16.010
that there's this continuing exemption, right, where every time they
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01:57:16.090 --> 01:57:18.430
use the footage again, it starts the clock over on
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01:57:18.470 --> 01:57:22.729
the– on the statute of limitations. But I don't think
2366
01:57:22.770 --> 01:57:25.250
that's going to fly. Again, the Terrell Pryor case is
2367
01:57:25.270 --> 01:57:30.399
a pretty solid precedent here. The NCAA is, they're winning
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01:57:30.449 --> 01:57:32.220
every one of these cases. And so I think we
2369
01:57:32.279 --> 01:57:36.319
can probably assume that Ezekiel Elliott's out on this one.
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01:57:37.720 --> 01:57:38.600
Preston, over to you, buddy.
2371
01:57:39.739 --> 01:57:42.840
Yeah, just that I think it's a really novel argument
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01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:45.279
he's making. But the other part of the argument is potentially,
2373
01:57:45.739 --> 01:57:48.909
you know, the O'Bannon case and the Alston case, you know,
2374
01:57:48.970 --> 01:57:51.689
all these cases, NIL, There's always going to be, just
2375
01:57:51.710 --> 01:57:54.210
similar to our eligibility, there's cutoffs, and they basically said
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01:57:54.350 --> 01:57:59.239
everyone prior to 2021 is not covered by this. And
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01:57:59.279 --> 01:58:01.319
there's also some agreements that might have been signed that
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01:58:01.359 --> 01:58:04.689
would bar Ezekiel from, you know, going back and getting
2379
01:58:04.729 --> 01:58:05.020
his NIL.
2380
01:58:05.090 --> 01:58:08.569
All right, moving over to the latest in the Josh
2381
01:58:08.590 --> 01:58:11.680
Jacobs situation, the runoff. back for the Green Bay Packers.
2382
01:58:12.500 --> 01:58:16.479
There's a civil suit seeking a permanent injunction restricting access
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01:58:16.520 --> 01:58:20.090
to records from the altercation that includes a video of
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01:58:20.149 --> 01:58:21.550
how it went down. What's the latest?
2385
01:58:23.069 --> 01:58:24.970
Yeah, I wasn't familiar with this story at all, but
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01:58:24.989 --> 01:58:28.430
this grows out of a situation where Josh Jacobs was
2387
01:58:28.470 --> 01:58:31.149
involved in a I don't know exactly when, but was
2388
01:58:31.189 --> 01:58:36.670
involved in an altercation earlier this year somewhere. And he
2389
01:58:36.729 --> 01:58:45.600
was charged with criminal damage to property and battery. He
2390
01:58:45.649 --> 01:58:49.960
ended up pleading guilty to those. He got fined. It
2391
01:58:49.979 --> 01:58:51.720
sounds like it was a plea in abeyance. That's where
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01:58:52.239 --> 01:58:54.479
if you're clean for a year, it goes away, that
2393
01:58:54.539 --> 01:58:56.909
it's wiped off your record. But as part of that,
2394
01:58:56.989 --> 01:58:59.699
the court, they had a lot of evidence in here,
2395
01:58:59.739 --> 01:59:02.880
and there's suspicion that there was actually a surveillance tape
2396
01:59:03.479 --> 01:59:08.260
of his garage where supposedly this altercation took place, and
2397
01:59:09.460 --> 01:59:12.340
everyone wants to see it. The media wants to see it.
2398
01:59:14.090 --> 01:59:16.029
TMZ wants to see it, and the NFL wants to
2399
01:59:16.069 --> 01:59:20.770
see it. They've got an ongoing investigation, and he's jumping
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01:59:20.829 --> 01:59:22.909
on this, and he's filed a lawsuit, and I think
2401
01:59:22.930 --> 01:59:25.710
he's filing it against the police department, because there's who
2402
01:59:25.750 --> 01:59:28.810
it's been released to, and he's filed a lawsuit where
2403
01:59:28.850 --> 01:59:34.270
he's saying that this, specifically he says this is in
2404
01:59:34.289 --> 01:59:36.770
violation of his privacy rights because this was at his
2405
01:59:36.949 --> 01:59:43.390
residence and that this could reveal private details, his address,
2406
01:59:43.789 --> 01:59:46.340
all kinds of things. Bottom line, he does not want
2407
01:59:46.350 --> 01:59:48.859
this to get out. And it's interesting that the woman
2408
01:59:49.439 --> 01:59:51.859
who was involved with this, she's jumped on board with
2409
01:59:51.899 --> 01:59:55.869
him too and doesn't want it out. So right now,
2410
01:59:55.890 --> 01:59:58.829
I guess he's on the exempt list for the NFL
2411
01:59:59.449 --> 02:00:02.710
and has not been suspended. He'll get a hold of this.
2412
02:00:04.569 --> 02:00:06.770
We'll see what happens. But right now, where he's filed
2413
02:00:06.810 --> 02:00:12.529
this lawsuit and he's requested an injunction, the police are
2414
02:00:12.750 --> 02:00:14.810
barred from releasing it while this is played out.
2415
02:00:16.489 --> 02:00:17.390
Garrett, over to you, buddy.
2416
02:00:18.109 --> 02:00:21.609
Well, yeah, I mean, it is unusual that the victim
2417
02:00:21.670 --> 02:00:23.250
and the perpetrator are on the same side of this,
2418
02:00:23.390 --> 02:00:26.770
both of them saying, hey, let's just keep this video
2419
02:00:26.810 --> 02:00:29.819
under seal and don't release it. And, I mean, they
2420
02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:32.279
do need to consider the victim's wishes in something like this,
2421
02:00:32.720 --> 02:00:34.840
and she apparently doesn't want it out there, and so
2422
02:00:35.939 --> 02:00:36.750
we may not see it.
2423
02:00:38.760 --> 02:00:41.699
All right, moving over to a local story, and this
2424
02:00:41.800 --> 02:00:43.699
took place a number of weeks ago, but it just
2425
02:00:43.739 --> 02:00:47.529
became public knowledge that Jamal Wallace, who's a defensive lineman,
2426
02:00:48.380 --> 02:00:51.920
has been suspended by the team, but that's the least
2427
02:00:51.960 --> 02:00:55.289
of his worries. He is accused of some very serious crimes,
2428
02:00:55.350 --> 02:00:59.069
including rape and sharing videos of the alleged assault on
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02:00:59.130 --> 02:01:02.970
social media. Unfortunate timing for Utah football, of course, but
2430
02:01:03.050 --> 02:01:05.489
it's not what this story is about. These are really
2431
02:01:05.569 --> 02:01:09.460
serious charges and an alleged victim in play as well
2432
02:01:09.520 --> 02:01:12.939
that obviously deserves our respect as this thing plays out.
2433
02:01:12.979 --> 02:01:14.380
So what can you share? What's the latest?
2434
02:01:16.380 --> 02:01:20.300
Yeah, that's right, Spence. I mean, he's been arrested, my understanding,
2435
02:01:20.619 --> 02:01:23.739
on five counts of distributing an intimate image, which is
2436
02:01:23.800 --> 02:01:26.899
a Class A misdemeanor in each of those. And so,
2437
02:01:27.560 --> 02:01:30.319
more or less, the story goes that we're starting to
2438
02:01:30.380 --> 02:01:35.189
hear is that he's in an on-again, off-again relationship with
2439
02:01:35.229 --> 02:01:40.930
a woman, and they're having a discussion about whether she's
2440
02:01:40.949 --> 02:01:44.689
seeing other people or whatever, and there's a sexual encounter,
2441
02:01:44.710 --> 02:01:50.579
and he gets her phone and films it, and this
2442
02:01:50.600 --> 02:01:55.199
is the allegation anyway, and then distributes the video on
2443
02:01:55.279 --> 02:02:00.579
Snapchat to several people who she'd been talking to that
2444
02:02:00.600 --> 02:02:04.949
maybe he was jealous of or something. And so that's
2445
02:02:04.989 --> 02:02:09.569
really the thing right now that he's been arrested for.
2446
02:02:10.729 --> 02:02:14.380
She has also claimed it was nonconsensual, that it was rape.
2447
02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:19.479
I'm sure that's being investigated. We haven't seen any charges
2448
02:02:19.539 --> 02:02:22.420
or anything like that right now. I mean, as you mentioned,
2449
02:02:22.640 --> 02:02:26.189
there's an indefinite suspension with the team. No news of
2450
02:02:26.229 --> 02:02:27.789
any kind of civil case. I mean, of course, we
2451
02:02:27.810 --> 02:02:31.630
could hear that at some point. Yeah, but right now,
2452
02:02:31.649 --> 02:02:33.470
I mean, it's pretty bad.
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02:02:34.989 --> 02:02:36.010
All right, Preston, over to you, bud.
2454
02:02:36.029 --> 02:02:37.810
I got nothing.
2455
02:02:37.829 --> 02:02:42.460
Nothing from Preston. All right, final one for today. Okay,
2456
02:02:42.520 --> 02:02:46.289
final one for today. A lot of conversations about all
2457
02:02:46.329 --> 02:02:50.630
these injunctions. We do have some local ties here. Trey
2458
02:02:50.649 --> 02:02:54.039
Campbell plays for Utah, received one. Looks like Jackson Kohler,
2459
02:02:54.800 --> 02:02:57.260
who is a very good player and played for Tom
2460
02:02:57.319 --> 02:03:00.420
Izzo for a while, local kid, has also received his
2461
02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:03.239
injunction and for now is eligible to play for BYU.
2462
02:03:03.260 --> 02:03:03.840
What's the latest?
2463
02:03:05.399 --> 02:03:08.260
Well, I think the important part there, Spencer, you said
2464
02:03:08.439 --> 02:03:11.149
for now is eligible. For now is eligible. We've seen
2465
02:03:11.170 --> 02:03:13.569
this playbook before, but we've talked about it a little bit.
2466
02:03:14.010 --> 02:03:17.329
Jackson Kohler was part of 70 players who were denied
2467
02:03:17.369 --> 02:03:20.039
their fifth year. They were part of this group that
2468
02:03:20.079 --> 02:03:23.659
graduated in 2026 and denied their fifth year. So he
2469
02:03:23.680 --> 02:03:26.300
got on board with the 70 players, and they filed
2470
02:03:26.319 --> 02:03:30.779
their lawsuit in California. As the playbook is, they claim antitrust,
2471
02:03:30.939 --> 02:03:32.420
and they go file.
2472
02:03:32.199 --> 02:03:33.159
For preliminary injunction.
2473
02:03:33.720 --> 02:03:34.539
And we talked about.
2474
02:03:34.439 --> 02:03:35.060
This a little before.
2475
02:03:35.119 --> 02:03:38.300
He actually appeared and spoke at a hearing along with
2476
02:03:38.340 --> 02:03:41.229
Rick Pitino. And I don't know why this took so long.
2477
02:03:41.270 --> 02:03:43.750
The hearing's been going on since September, and it concluded
2478
02:03:43.770 --> 02:03:47.310
this week. And it was revealed that all of these players,
2479
02:03:47.329 --> 02:03:50.609
their injunctions have been granted. So, yes, he is eligible
2480
02:03:50.630 --> 02:03:55.149
for now. They've come out and the NCAA has come
2481
02:03:55.189 --> 02:03:55.409
out and.
2482
02:03:55.390 --> 02:03:57.369
Said that they will appeal this.
2483
02:03:58.050 --> 02:04:01.609
His lawyer has come out pretty bullish and said, you know,
2484
02:04:02.890 --> 02:04:05.529
should the NCAA win its appeal, the injunction would be stayed.
2485
02:04:06.569 --> 02:04:08.510
He said, but the NCAA doesn't have a good chance
2486
02:04:08.609 --> 02:04:12.109
to win their appeal. Chances to be eligible the entire
2487
02:04:12.149 --> 02:04:15.600
season are looking good. So what is going on right now?
2488
02:04:15.619 --> 02:04:19.079
The injunction's in the place, so he's eligible. And, you know,
2489
02:04:19.119 --> 02:04:21.819
the thought is, well, if this gets to its conclusion
2490
02:04:21.880 --> 02:04:23.579
where it actually gets to a trial and where this
2491
02:04:23.640 --> 02:04:26.279
issue of eligibility is actually goes in front of a
2492
02:04:26.319 --> 02:04:29.300
judge or a jury, the season is probably long over.
2493
02:04:29.380 --> 02:04:32.239
This is, you know, the Diego Pavia, he played this
2494
02:04:32.300 --> 02:04:35.539
like nobody. And so we'll see what happens. The NCAA
2495
02:04:35.659 --> 02:04:39.600
is appealing it. And, you know, who knows what happened
2496
02:04:39.649 --> 02:04:44.979
in Ohio, the circuit court in Ohio. They overturned those injunctions.
2497
02:04:45.930 --> 02:04:47.930
And I hadn't heard about the U of U player
2498
02:04:47.970 --> 02:04:51.029
until you just said it. So, you know, it would
2499
02:04:51.069 --> 02:04:52.869
be interesting to see what happens. They're playing for a while,
2500
02:04:52.909 --> 02:04:54.489
and all of a sudden, boom, they're out.
2501
02:04:56.449 --> 02:04:58.210
All right, Garrett, final word is yours, my friend.
2502
02:04:58.229 --> 02:05:02.029
Yeah, I think for all intents and purposes, the case
2503
02:05:02.069 --> 02:05:04.359
is basically over, and Jackson Kohler is one, and he's
2504
02:05:04.380 --> 02:05:06.500
going to be able to play because– I mean, the
2505
02:05:06.539 --> 02:05:09.640
underlying case, I mean, this injunction's in place until there's
2506
02:05:09.680 --> 02:05:11.920
a trial. I just don't think there's going to be
2507
02:05:11.960 --> 02:05:15.130
any trial in the underlying case before the end of
2508
02:05:15.159 --> 02:05:18.310
the season. So by the time we get around to that,
2509
02:05:18.390 --> 02:05:20.710
it's going to be a moot point. So I think
2510
02:05:20.770 --> 02:05:23.609
it's effectively over.
2511
02:05:24.010 --> 02:05:25.770
Hope it doesn't happen during March Madness.
2512
02:05:26.670 --> 02:05:27.170
Yeah, really.
2513
02:05:27.760 --> 02:05:30.159
Indeed, indeed. Okay, gentlemen, for any of our listeners who
2514
02:05:30.180 --> 02:05:31.819
have legal questions, how can they get a hold of
2515
02:05:31.859 --> 02:05:32.880
you over at Handy at Handy?
2516
02:05:34.489 --> 02:05:35.250
Yeah, I'd love to help.
2517
02:05:35.149 --> 02:05:37.619
Anyone with their legal questions, especially if you've been injured
2518
02:05:37.640 --> 02:05:40.539
in an accident. That's what we do. You can reach
2519
02:05:40.680 --> 02:05:45.939
us at 801-264-6677, or you can go to our website, HandyLawUtah.com.
2520
02:05:46.899 --> 02:05:49.359
Good stuff. Thanks for the time, as always, today. Have
2521
02:05:49.399 --> 02:05:51.430
a great weekend, and we need a rousing Go Utes.
2522
02:05:51.489 --> 02:05:52.569
It's a big one on Saturday.
2523
02:05:52.909 --> 02:05:53.739
Yeah, it's a big one.
2524
02:05:53.750 --> 02:05:54.390
Yeah, Go Utes.
2525
02:05:54.510 --> 02:05:54.909
Go Utes.
2526
02:05:55.510 --> 02:05:55.850
All right.
2527
02:05:55.890 --> 02:05:58.710
Thanks, guys. Check them out. Handy and Handy, really good dudes.
2528
02:05:58.770 --> 02:06:01.869
If you have any legal questions, give them a call,
2529
02:06:01.890 --> 02:06:04.539
and they're happy to chat with you. at Rally House,
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02:06:04.539 --> 02:06:08.380
624 East, 400 South, right downtown, Salt Lake City, Utah.
2531
02:06:08.939 --> 02:06:11.880
And one more time, my man Trev stops by. What's up, Trev?
2532
02:06:11.960 --> 02:06:12.340
How are you?
2533
02:06:12.779 --> 02:06:14.539
Yeah, I'm still doing good. It's been a great day.
2534
02:06:14.619 --> 02:06:16.039
I'm loving getting the rain in the valley.
2535
02:06:16.159 --> 02:06:17.760
Yeah, yeah, it's great. We need it. It has been
2536
02:06:17.779 --> 02:06:20.579
a great day. So tell me what you do for
2537
02:06:20.600 --> 02:06:21.100
the must again.
2538
02:06:21.500 --> 02:06:24.090
Yeah, so I'm on the must board, and I'm a
2539
02:06:24.149 --> 02:06:26.590
chairman over football. So the president of the student section
2540
02:06:26.630 --> 02:06:28.609
is named Kai Kruse, and he's wonderful. He's great. He's
2541
02:06:28.630 --> 02:06:31.539
a great guy. Yeah, shout out, Kai. And then I'm
2542
02:06:31.659 --> 02:06:33.699
his chairman over football, so I'm in charge of anything
2543
02:06:33.739 --> 02:06:35.640
to do with the football game day operations for the
2544
02:06:35.659 --> 02:06:36.199
student section.
2545
02:06:36.279 --> 02:06:38.079
Very nice. So give our listeners a little bit of
2546
02:06:38.140 --> 02:06:40.279
a tease. The Must has turned into the best student
2547
02:06:40.319 --> 02:06:43.180
section west of the Mississippi, if not more so. So
2548
02:06:43.199 --> 02:06:45.100
what can we expect from the Must on Saturday night?
2549
02:06:45.479 --> 02:06:48.329
Well, you can expect a deafening roar the entire game.
2550
02:06:48.510 --> 02:06:50.550
I mean, the Must is going to show up. We're mighty.
2551
02:06:51.369 --> 02:06:53.510
We're showing up and we're showing out, and we're decked
2552
02:06:53.569 --> 02:06:56.100
out in black. We're going to pack that section. We
2553
02:06:56.149 --> 02:06:58.770
have multiple crowd flags this weekend, one for almost every
2554
02:06:58.810 --> 02:07:00.649
section of the student section, so that's something for the
2555
02:07:00.670 --> 02:07:03.989
students to look forward to. And we're really excited for
2556
02:07:04.010 --> 02:07:06.750
Gandy to come Saturday morning, and we hope that the
2557
02:07:06.770 --> 02:07:08.909
students fill that pit. We hope it's entirely students in
2558
02:07:08.930 --> 02:07:12.050
that pit Saturday morning. We're expecting it. I mean, personally,
2559
02:07:12.090 --> 02:07:15.250
just word of mouth, I've heard of at least 100
2560
02:07:15.250 --> 02:07:17.149
people right now that are planning on camping out that
2561
02:07:17.210 --> 02:07:19.649
night to get into the pit and to win that
2562
02:07:19.729 --> 02:07:21.810
raffle to kick that field goal too. But they just
2563
02:07:21.850 --> 02:07:23.890
want to show up and support Utah. They want to
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02:07:23.930 --> 02:07:25.729
be there. That's what I love about our student section
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02:07:25.770 --> 02:07:28.090
is because they're just there, man. They love our school.
2566
02:07:28.130 --> 02:07:30.899
They love the Utes. And they're so proud to be Utes, man.
2567
02:07:30.939 --> 02:07:31.939
They're so proud to be Utah.
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02:07:32.079 --> 02:07:34.300
So let's join the must and pack the place and
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02:07:34.340 --> 02:07:38.680
get there early. And Trev mentioned something, dress in black.
2570
02:07:39.399 --> 02:07:43.659
If you do not have your gear for the blackout game, Trev,
2571
02:07:43.680 --> 02:07:45.380
tell them what they can expect when they walk into
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02:07:45.439 --> 02:07:45.939
Rally House.
2573
02:07:46.119 --> 02:07:47.939
You're going to walk into Rally House and your breath
2574
02:07:48.060 --> 02:07:50.180
is going to be taken away. I said taken away.
2575
02:07:50.260 --> 02:07:51.659
You're going to walk in and you're going to see
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02:07:52.279 --> 02:07:54.460
A substantial amount of Utah gear, the most you've ever seen.
2577
02:07:54.319 --> 02:07:54.859
In one place.
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02:07:54.880 --> 02:07:58.350
This is the most Utah gear in one place in Utah.
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02:07:58.649 --> 02:07:59.970
I guess it's the most for any building in the country.
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02:08:00.060 --> 02:08:03.159
country because we're in Salt Lake City right now. You're
2581
02:08:03.180 --> 02:08:04.239
going to walk in here, and you're going to see
2582
02:08:04.260 --> 02:08:06.590
right front and center a bunch of black gear for you,
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02:08:07.199 --> 02:08:09.350
for men and for women. In the back of the store,
2584
02:08:09.369 --> 02:08:11.909
you're going to find about probably 30, 40 different hoodies
2585
02:08:11.949 --> 02:08:15.289
and quarter zips and polos and everything that you might
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02:08:15.329 --> 02:08:18.090
look for and need. for this cool weather game this weekend.
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02:08:18.229 --> 02:08:21.939
You have key chains, you have coffee mugs, you have puzzles,
2588
02:08:21.979 --> 02:08:24.760
you have tote bags. I've never seen this much U-Care
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02:08:24.779 --> 02:08:25.520
in my entire life.
2590
02:08:26.100 --> 02:08:28.119
Yeah, I mean, I haven't even touched on all the
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02:08:28.159 --> 02:08:31.260
stationery and other accessories that we have here. We've got
2592
02:08:31.300 --> 02:08:34.649
face stickers. I mean, we have ponchos. We have single-use ponchos.
2593
02:08:34.979 --> 02:08:37.449
We've got everything you might need to rep Utah. I
2594
02:08:37.470 --> 02:08:40.090
was just looking. We've got a shipment in of oven mitts.
2595
02:08:40.149 --> 02:08:43.470
We have Utah-brand oven mitts. We've got Utah-brand work gloves,
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02:08:43.489 --> 02:08:45.800
like leather work gloves. I've never seen that before. I
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02:08:45.800 --> 02:08:47.760
never considered that for college gear, but we got it here.
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02:08:47.779 --> 02:08:49.859
That's good stuff. And then last thing I'll set you loose.
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02:08:50.479 --> 02:08:52.699
I'm sure the majority of our listeners, certainly during college
2600
02:08:52.739 --> 02:08:55.819
football season, are Utah fans, but we'll take care of
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02:08:55.859 --> 02:09:00.149
our BYU brethren. We'll take care of our Utah State friends. Mammoth, NFL,
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02:09:00.189 --> 02:09:02.069
jazz stuff too. So before I set you loose, what
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02:09:02.090 --> 02:09:03.250
else do you have outside of U-Care?
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02:09:03.670 --> 02:09:06.289
Yeah, we have pretty much, we're the westernmost store for
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02:09:06.350 --> 02:09:08.590
Rally House. So we have all the western markets for
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02:09:08.630 --> 02:09:12.189
professional sports, including the, well, we got the Mammoth. We
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02:09:12.210 --> 02:09:16.109
have some Kraken gear. We have The Los Angeles Rams, Chargers,
2608
02:09:16.529 --> 02:09:19.149
we have the A's, we have the Angels, we have
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02:09:19.170 --> 02:09:22.130
the Dodgers. We got pretty much anything Western here, any
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02:09:22.170 --> 02:09:23.609
pro team you're going to find here in the store.
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02:09:23.729 --> 02:09:25.430
Love it. Trev, thanks again, man. It's good to get
2612
02:09:25.449 --> 02:09:27.029
to know you, and good luck with everything, okay?
2613
02:09:27.060 --> 02:09:27.909
Yeah, thank you very much, man.
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02:09:28.109 --> 02:09:32.640
Most importantly, get ready for the Saturday night late kick
2615
02:09:33.199 --> 02:09:35.779
by dressing in black and also dressing warm. It's going
2616
02:09:35.800 --> 02:09:38.319
to be cold. I said this earlier. I was at
2617
02:09:38.340 --> 02:09:41.340
KUTV chatting with the weather people. They actually think we're
2618
02:09:41.359 --> 02:09:43.579
going to be able to stay dry. Like the rain
2619
02:09:43.619 --> 02:09:45.960
isn't necessarily expected to be prevalent, but it's going to
2620
02:09:46.000 --> 02:09:49.270
be 45 degrees at kickoff. And obviously with a game
2621
02:09:49.310 --> 02:09:50.859
that might end close to midnight, it's going to be
2622
02:09:50.899 --> 02:09:53.390
colder than that down the stretch. So come on by
2623
02:09:53.470 --> 02:09:57.810
Rally House at 624 East, 400 South, Salt Lake City, Utah,
2624
02:09:57.850 --> 02:10:00.569
right next to Trader Joe's if you need like a
2625
02:10:00.569 --> 02:10:02.930
little bit of a frame of reference. And get your
2626
02:10:03.069 --> 02:10:06.390
Ute gear. We also have official ESPN College Game Day
2627
02:10:06.430 --> 02:10:10.430
official gear, sweatshirts, T-shirts, all the things. Come on by
2628
02:10:10.470 --> 02:10:13.850
and say what's up. at Rally House, 624 East, 400
2629
02:10:13.850 --> 02:10:17.210
South in Salt Lake City, Utah. All right, Thursday night
2630
02:10:17.289 --> 02:10:21.390
football tonight is the Patriots and Bears at Soldier Field.
2631
02:10:22.069 --> 02:10:24.449
It kicks off in about 15 minutes. It's on Amazon
2632
02:10:24.550 --> 02:10:29.090
Prime Video. The Jazz are off tonight and good after
2633
02:10:29.130 --> 02:10:31.689
that eyesore of a basketball game last night. Their home
2634
02:10:31.750 --> 02:10:35.649
opener is tomorrow against the Pelicans. ESPN has a doubleheader,
2635
02:10:36.220 --> 02:10:41.020
Cleveland and Philadelphia, Denver, Oklahoma City. and the Utah Mammoth
2636
02:10:41.239 --> 02:10:44.539
are in action. At 8 o'clock tonight, they're taking on
2637
02:10:44.579 --> 02:10:47.720
Seattle up in the Pacific Northwest. The Utah Royals will
2638
02:10:47.739 --> 02:10:50.939
try to stamp their ticket to the NWSL playoffs tomorrow night,
2639
02:10:51.520 --> 02:10:53.680
and then RSL will try to keep their playoff hopes
2640
02:10:53.739 --> 02:10:58.289
alive over the weekend against St. Louis in Sandy on
2641
02:10:58.430 --> 02:11:00.909
Saturday night. So there you go. All right, we've had
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02:11:00.930 --> 02:11:03.869
a good time out here with our friends at Rally House.
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02:11:03.930 --> 02:11:06.970
I want to remind you that if you are not
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02:11:07.050 --> 02:11:09.050
ready for Saturday night, this is the place to be.
2645
02:11:09.670 --> 02:11:11.550
It is a blackout and it's going to be cold,
2646
02:11:11.590 --> 02:11:15.170
which means you need a sweatshirt or a jacket, a beanie.
2647
02:11:15.750 --> 02:11:18.069
We've got a women's section, which is awesome. So you
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02:11:18.109 --> 02:11:20.750
need black gear and you probably need warm gear. Well,
2649
02:11:20.770 --> 02:11:23.470
not probably. You need warm gear shaping up to be
2650
02:11:23.489 --> 02:11:26.470
about 45 degrees to kick off. So shout out to
2651
02:11:26.510 --> 02:11:30.170
Rally House, 620 Forties, 400 South here in Salt Lake City, Utah.
2652
02:11:30.890 --> 02:11:35.689
Get all your gear ready for Saturday night. It is
2653
02:11:35.729 --> 02:11:37.649
a blackout and it's going to be cold. Porter, do
2654
02:11:37.689 --> 02:11:39.229
you have your gear for Saturday night?
2655
02:11:39.750 --> 02:11:47.979
I've got some black gear. Some Utah stuff. No rain gear,
2656
02:11:48.079 --> 02:11:51.340
hopefully necessary, but yeah, I'm ready to roll. Might still
2657
02:11:51.380 --> 02:11:52.600
drop by Rally House either way, though.
2658
02:11:53.720 --> 02:11:55.779
Okay, I have not given my pick for the game yet.
2659
02:11:55.930 --> 02:11:58.189
As I referenced, I'm going to do it tomorrow. Are
2660
02:11:58.229 --> 02:12:00.390
you getting closer and closer to having a gut feel
2661
02:12:00.430 --> 02:12:01.689
about how this thing is going to go down?
2662
02:12:03.510 --> 02:12:06.569
It's a good question, because I don't think there's a
2663
02:12:06.630 --> 02:12:10.449
whole lot of separation for So I don't think my
2664
02:12:11.430 --> 02:12:13.829
feel for the game is going to change much based
2665
02:12:13.890 --> 02:12:17.390
on anything we learn between now and Friday. Of course,
2666
02:12:17.409 --> 02:12:20.810
we'll have another injury report tonight. If that changes anything,
2667
02:12:20.949 --> 02:12:24.060
it remains to be seen. But yeah, no, I mean,
2668
02:12:24.100 --> 02:12:26.100
I think these teams are within a touchdown of each other.
2669
02:12:26.159 --> 02:12:30.560
So I think it's probably where I'll remain until Saturday night.
2670
02:12:31.189 --> 02:12:34.630
Have you reconsidered my offer to you to allow me
2671
02:12:34.710 --> 02:12:36.770
to create a sign that you will then hold up
2672
02:12:36.789 --> 02:12:38.189
in the background of college game day?
2673
02:12:38.310 --> 02:12:38.810
I have not.
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02:12:39.390 --> 02:12:42.729
Fair enough. That's the right call. All right. So enjoy
2675
02:12:42.770 --> 02:12:47.600
a little Thursday night NFL football. If you're a basketball person,
2676
02:12:47.619 --> 02:12:51.359
ESPN has a double header for you. And as I referenced,
2677
02:12:51.460 --> 02:12:55.380
the Utah Mammoth are in action tonight as well, taking
2678
02:12:55.460 --> 02:12:59.039
on Seattle. So we've got a busy weekend ahead. Special
2679
02:12:59.079 --> 02:13:01.739
thanks to our friends out here. At Rally House, I'm
2680
02:13:01.779 --> 02:13:04.760
telling you, this place rules. I did not even know.
2681
02:13:05.520 --> 02:13:08.239
I've known about Rally House because they have locations across
2682
02:13:08.260 --> 02:13:11.300
the country. I didn't know we had one. It's new.
2683
02:13:11.439 --> 02:13:13.539
It opened up a couple of months ago. And it's
2684
02:13:13.579 --> 02:13:15.689
the best spot to get your Utah gear. They've got
2685
02:13:15.710 --> 02:13:19.670
some Mammoth stuff. They've got Jazz stuff. BYU, Utah State,
2686
02:13:19.689 --> 02:13:21.890
they'll take care of you no matter who your team is.
2687
02:13:22.430 --> 02:13:25.630
Got a nice little section of Utah, not Utah State,
2688
02:13:25.649 --> 02:13:29.890
the school, but the state of Utah. Shot glasses, keychains
2689
02:13:29.949 --> 02:13:34.800
and such. and great polos, coffee mugs. I'm telling you,
2690
02:13:34.810 --> 02:13:36.250
you've got to come in to check it out. I've
2691
02:13:36.710 --> 02:13:40.430
probably outlined 10% of the stuff they have here at
2692
02:13:40.529 --> 02:13:43.590
Rally House. The address, once again, is 624 East 400
2693
02:13:43.590 --> 02:13:46.430
South in the heart of downtown Salt Lake City, Utah,
2694
02:13:46.489 --> 02:13:50.489
right next to Trader Joe's. Porter, I've never asked you this.
2695
02:13:50.529 --> 02:13:54.270
Are you a Trader Joe's person? It's a confusing shopping experience.
2696
02:13:54.789 --> 02:13:57.750
Not particularly. They have a few things I've tried and
2697
02:13:57.770 --> 02:14:01.300
I've liked, and I've gone back and got them, but Months,
2698
02:14:01.479 --> 02:14:03.619
maybe a year or more since I've been to a
2699
02:14:04.539 --> 02:14:05.439
Trader Joe's.
2700
02:14:05.460 --> 02:14:09.100
It's like sensory overload. And how about we just find
2701
02:14:09.140 --> 02:14:12.060
a way to cue people correctly so grumpy old dads
2702
02:14:12.100 --> 02:14:13.510
aren't trying to fight me in the parking lot?
2703
02:14:13.770 --> 02:14:18.010
Well, part of that is that a little like Chick-fil-A style,
2704
02:14:18.850 --> 02:14:22.649
the employees at Trader Joe's are asked to, like, converse
2705
02:14:22.670 --> 02:14:25.949
with you on a level that is, I think, more
2706
02:14:27.270 --> 02:14:30.369
than just like, hey— We don't know each other. You're
2707
02:14:31.090 --> 02:14:35.529
ringing this up. I'm a customer. They want more than that,
2708
02:14:35.600 --> 02:14:41.300
it appears, from the top down. Because they try to
2709
02:14:41.399 --> 02:14:45.539
ask you about your weekend and how your job's going.
2710
02:14:45.579 --> 02:14:48.529
And it's like, none of your business, first of all.
2711
02:14:49.920 --> 02:14:53.159
But also, we're holding up the line here behind us,
2712
02:14:53.199 --> 02:14:53.380
you know?
2713
02:14:53.939 --> 02:14:55.180
Oh, they're asked to do that?
2714
02:14:55.260 --> 02:14:58.800
I think so. At least it happens every time, so
2715
02:14:58.859 --> 02:15:00.680
I'm assuming that is the case.
2716
02:15:01.140 --> 02:15:03.579
That explains it, because those folks are super friendly. Like,
2717
02:15:03.619 --> 02:15:05.640
I'm just trying to get a dinner for one and
2718
02:15:05.659 --> 02:15:06.399
go home.
2719
02:15:06.420 --> 02:15:10.050
Which is great, but when there's 18 people stacked up
2720
02:15:10.090 --> 02:15:16.189
behind you, the customer's weekend plans are probably not the
2721
02:15:16.310 --> 02:15:19.109
thing to be discussing. But hey, just a thought.
2722
02:15:19.890 --> 02:15:22.609
I tend to agree. All right, big weekend ahead. Porter,
2723
02:15:22.810 --> 02:15:24.550
how are we getting people started out the right way
2724
02:15:24.569 --> 02:15:25.310
on a Friday show?
2725
02:15:25.510 --> 02:15:28.949
On a football Friday, that is. Sam Bruckhaus of Sumer
2726
02:15:28.970 --> 02:15:32.449
Sports will stop by. Some pro and college football from Sam.
2727
02:15:32.909 --> 02:15:35.409
Blaine Fowler, who is going to join us today, is
2728
02:15:35.449 --> 02:15:39.159
getting moved to tomorrow. Our guy Spencer Hall, every day
2729
02:15:39.220 --> 02:15:42.760
should be Saturday, is joining us on a Friday. And
2730
02:15:42.800 --> 02:15:43.300
we'll go from there.
2731
02:15:43.819 --> 02:15:45.939
Okay, there you go. So join us for a Friday
2732
02:15:46.060 --> 02:15:49.260
edition of this radio program to get you ready for
2733
02:15:49.359 --> 02:15:52.039
the weekend. And we will say goodnight. Special thank you
2734
02:15:52.060 --> 02:15:56.840
to Alex Jensen, Craig Bowlerjack, Stevenson Sylvester, and Kyle Bonagura.
2735
02:15:56.880 --> 02:15:58.659
If you missed any of the sound from the show today,
2736
02:15:59.220 --> 02:16:03.130
the website is ESPN700Sports. com. Make sure to download that mobile
2737
02:16:03.210 --> 02:16:05.829
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02:16:05.829 --> 02:16:08.390
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2739
02:16:08.409 --> 02:16:10.970
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2740
02:16:11.050 --> 02:16:13.909
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2741
02:16:13.939 --> 02:16:16.140
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2742
02:16:16.180 --> 02:16:19.020
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02:16:19.079 --> 02:16:21.640
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2744
02:16:21.680 --> 02:16:24.930
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2745
02:16:25.550 --> 02:16:28.329
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2746
02:16:28.350 --> 02:16:29.770
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2747
02:16:29.810 --> 02:16:31.760
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2748
02:16:32.370 --> 02:16:35.049
For Porter, I'm Spence saying goodnight. Have a great Thursday evening.
2749
02:16:35.090 --> 02:16:36.750
We'll talk to you on a Friday edition of The Drive.
2750
02:16:36.770 --> 02:16:38.690
And as always, you can catch it right here on
2751
02:16:38.729 --> 02:16:40.329
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2752
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