William Shatner Interview, Part 1 | The Creation Entertainment Podcast | Episode 101

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Hi, I'm Kid Bowing and I'm Ryan te Husk, and
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you're watching the Creation Entertainment Podcast.
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On today's episode, Adam Mahlan takes on William Shatner in
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part one of this fun and thought provoking interview, in
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which Bill talks about his legendary career as well as
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his almost forty year relationship.
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With Creation Entertainment audiences.
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A long time that is.
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Then we're going to do the Creation Entertainment Pop Culture
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Cinema Squad, of which I am part of, where we're
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going to discuss two of the hottest news sci fi
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shows out there, Doom Prophecy on Max and Severnth on
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Apple TV Plus. And we're going to talk about the
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highly anticipated new film in the MCU, Fantastic four First Steps.
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And then Gary Berman and Adam Mahlin search the memory
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banks in Creation Looks Back as they reminisce about their
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experiences with ec comics and Bill Gaines of Mad Magazine
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Good Stuff.
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Finally, Ryan and I will wrap things up by talking
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about the latest in Creation entertainment news.
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All that and more on Creation Entertainment Podcast, they tuned.
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How long has there been? It's been forty years.
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And I've loved every minuted of it, and I'm grateful
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for all the great times that we've had to get.
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Them remarkable history. You and I remind.
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I hope that you would indulge me, because I've never
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really get a chance to ask you a lot of questions,
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and as a.
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Fan boy, let's do it. I sort of want to
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move chronologically. Is that okay? It's your show? All right? Well, listen.
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The first time that I saw you was in uh,
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actually before Star Trek. It was in nineteen sixty three
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Twilight Zone, and I saw you in Nightmare twenty thousand
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Nightmare of twenty thousand feet.
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Yeah, it scared the hell out of me. No kidding,
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You're easily scared. What's so crazy?
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I mean that that has been memorialized several times. In fact,
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I was just watching Saturday Lives fiftieth anniversary and they
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did a comic send up with that.
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You know, did what? They did a comic send up
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of that of that.
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No very popular thing. I thought I hadn't heard anybody
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mention it. I thought that's a shame, because it was
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quite popular and people talk about it from time to time.
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Who talks about a segment of SNL and I thought, oh,
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I guess they didn't put it on, and you know
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you're telling me they did, well they did.
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And then of course John Lithgow kind of did a
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take on that in the Twilight's movie about Yeah, I
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want to say, twenty years after you did it?
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Yeah, Well, I you know, I don't know whether I
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I've long since forgotten that. But when John mentioned that
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he was going to do it, you were.
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I was busy.
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I was shooting something and they asked me to be
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in it. But I was shooting one of the things
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and I said I can't, so they got John and
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so I never repeated it, and I kind of thought
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that that was one of the plays, you know, if
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I'm asked it.
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As I think about it now, that's where I think
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that's a shame. I wish I had not.
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I wish I had been free, but I was gainfully
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doing a series forgotten which one.
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I mean, it's okay because the original is still the classic,
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and like I say, it was terrifying. And then a
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year later I was watching Out of Limits because my
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dad and I loved Out of Limits Josefano's show. Yeah,
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and there you were in an episode where you were
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an astronaut on Venus Old Hands, Warm Heart.
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So long ago, it's like my childhood. I mean, it's crazy.
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What what? What? Where? Where did you do you remember
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where you filmed that? What lot? That was? Uh?
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Probably Warners, although the lots are changing all over the place.
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I don't know. I don't know, but I think it.
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Was Warners and then so the same Warners. Yeah, it
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could easily have been Warner, but it's the same year
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you also did an episode of Man from Uncle.
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I don't remember I filed that film that.
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Project Striegas Affair. Is it bringing back any member Project
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Striegas Affair?
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And you did it?
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You know you were with Robert Vaughan and David McCollum.
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Who were you know, big cultural icons at that time.
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I remember I know their name and know their faces.
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Both of them are dead, I think, but I don't remember.
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If I might have an MGM, I don't. I don't remember.
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You know, it's like asking somebody. You know we went
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out to dinner fifty years ago? Do you remember that
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restaurant we went to?
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Well? Well riddled me this?
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How did how did you first meet Roddenberry? How did
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you get how'd you get into the second pilot of
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Star Trek.
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All right, so we're we're gonna skip that previous part
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and go to the Star Trek thing.
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Right, Well, it's just honestly, it's just another year and
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a half later, all right.
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Well, the story is, the oft told.
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Story is I was working in New York on something
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or other and it had just come to a close,
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and I was preparing to come back to Los Angeles
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to my home, and Roddenberry calls and says, we've made
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this pilot with jeff not jeff what's the actor's name
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who played Captaine, Jeffrey Hunter, Jeffrey Hunter. So we've got
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made this pilot with Jeffrey Hunter. And NBC doesn't want
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to do it, but they liked the project so much
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they said, recast it and redo another pilot, do another
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whole thing.
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Now.
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I've never heard of that prior to that, nor heard
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anything like that ever since.
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I know.
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It's the only time that a network spent millions of
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dollars on a remake of a project like that. Usually
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they say, sorry, it's nice, but we want not for us.
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And then when the producers shopping around as best they can,
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and finally they give up and they've lost.
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Somebody's lost, you know, that money.
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So I flew back to Los Angeles saw the pilot
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which they ultimately used, whatever the name of it was.
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It was those people behind bars that had swollen heads,
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whatever the name.
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The loss exactly.
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So I saw that, I thought, geez, that's pretty good.
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I don't know why they turned it down. Yeah, it
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was fun, but they wanted to but the network wanted
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to change everything except Leonard, so they recast everybody.
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They hired me.
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I said, yeah, I'll do that, and I had a
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couple of suggestions, and so they know. I don't know
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whether they they incorporated or whether it evolved, didn't do
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what it was when it became and we did a
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second pilot and it sold, then it became Star Trek.
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So when you started working on the Desilu lat, did
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you ever come into contact with Lucy or DESI.
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I think.
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That I stood behind a very attractive, redheaded lady in
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a commissary line. We were getting food, and I think
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it was her. But you see, it's been so many
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years that I'm not sure whether it's wish fulfillment, because
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if it were totally wishfulfillment, I would have talked to
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her and embraced her and kissed her gently on the lips.
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But I don't have any memory of that. I just
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remember saying hello, and I'm not sure it was her.
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What I mean, I would have recognized her because I
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admired her.
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Now. She was a great She was a great proponent
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of yours. In fact, she was one of the reasons
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that the show stayed on to the third season, was because.
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She believed in the show.
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I didn't know that, and I'm not sure it was her,
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Whether it was her saying I liked the show, whether
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the network sitcom, but in any case, whatever it took,
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she was one of the great comedians. I admired her
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as a performer and as a beautiful woman.
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So believe it or not.
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Thirty five years ago, you and I did the twenty
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fifth anniversary tour with you and Leonard and we we
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went over all over North America and did a series
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of engagements including.
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How did we get all? How did we get around?
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Did we fly?
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We flew and we would fly together, you and Leonard
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and me, and then.
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An economy We took up the three economy seats.
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I think it might have been the only time that
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I paid for myself to fly first class. Actually, so
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I remember on Long Island in New York selling out
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Nasal Coliseum. It was it was a It was a
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brain blasphemy because this is the same place where I
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would go and see all of my bands as I'm
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growing up, and here we had sold out Nasal Coliseum.
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While I don't recall that it's an incredible.
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Time, but I do recall great moments of transportation.
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I was.
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I wanted to do a documentary on Star Trek. Ultimately
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did it. It was called The Captains and the budget
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we had drawn up in trying to fly to all
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the captains, the budget we drew up for transportation, and
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it was first class seats.
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The total budget for the airplane was two hundred and
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fifty thousand dollars and.
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That was the whole budget of the of the of
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the of the documentary and so some wild buy I
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don't know why I would have done it. I don't
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think I would even do it now, But I remember
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hearing about an airplane company in Canada called Bombardier. Yeah,
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they made the schemobiles and the water mobiles, the skidoos
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and the whatever you call the water thing.
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And commuter jets and jets.
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Well that's what they that's what they were doing exactly,
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Canadian company making making large airplanes.
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So I called the.
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Number of the public number and an operator answered, and
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I said, connect me to the CEO, please, or so
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the phone rings in the CEO's office and the secretary answers,
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and I said, I'm Shatner, and can I talk to
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I think I had his name at that point, was
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the name of which I forgot And she said just
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a moment, and she wrings her boss boss up pigs
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the phone and we begin a conversation in which I
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tell him I need an airplane. Would you lend me
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an airplane? And he said, of course, And it turns
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out he picked me up. Well, the plane, the Bombardier
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plane picked me up in Los Angeles. We flew to Toronto,
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picked up the crew because we were using a Canadian crew,
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which was less money. And I met him on the
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tarmac and he shook my hand and he said, if
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it weren't for Star Trek, I would not have become
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an aeronautical engineer. And as a result of being an engineer,
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I became head of the company. And this is my repayment.
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And not only was he so generous to lend me
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without cost this big Bombardier plane which must to cost
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him one hundreds of thousands of dollars, but when we
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got to London where I was going to interview, uh
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mister Stewart, uh uh, there was a rolls Royce took
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us around. He had rented a role Yeah for me.
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Well, I mean, you know, so plays are one thing,
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but then several decades later you just decided that's not
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good enough. You've got to go up in a rocket.
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And you did your flight on Blue Orange. Yeah, that's
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right exactly. You got a question on that, well, really
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more curiosity. What was the experience like? And what's it
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like being out in outer space? How does the body feel?
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And how'd you feel when you got back?
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Well, as you can imagine, I've been asked that question,
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and would you like me to spend some time on it?
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Would you like the quick answer?
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Give me any answer you want? No, No, I want
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to it's your show, give us, give give me the
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three minute answer.
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The three minute answer that's in between the quick answer.
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When somebody said what was it like? And I'd say
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fantastic and then I move on. Fantastic and I move on.
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The fifteen minute version is a whole show. The three
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minute version is I got up there lots of weight.
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There's no word for weightlessness in our language because it's
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a new experience.
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Oh, it was like being in a swimming pool. I floated, I.
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Say, but there's no real word for weightlessness. And that's
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akin to the way people who tell the ages of
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the ages of things work. They take a stone, they
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analyze the stone. Okay, this is two thousand and three,
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ten thousand years old. And there are people who work
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on language who do the same thing. When did this
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word enter the vocabulary? For example, the word horse came
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into the vocabulary about ten thousand years ago, and they
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know from other evidence that the domestication of.
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a word that became horse entered the vocabulary. And so
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what we will find is as space travel goes on,
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they will find words to describe what weightlessness is like.
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Because that's what I felt when we went up for
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the first time. I felt weightlessness, and it's impossible to
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describe in our language. I can give you euphemisms. It
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was like like if you're in a dream state and
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you're floating somewhere, or maybe in a weightless chamber where
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you're deprived of all sensations and you're just floating on
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the water. It's very difficult to describe what weightlessness is,
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but it's astounding and its.
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And I felt it and I had that experience as
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well as becoming enamored infatuated with the planet Earth, which
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I had. I loved our planet prior to this, and
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I'd be an ecologist for a long time. But the
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fate of Earth and my love of Earth and the
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despair I felt at that time over what's happening with
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global warming. When I came down, I was in the
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depths of sadness.
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And that's what you've had. You've had an obsession with
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the whole gay a concept for many years.
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Exactly is the Greek goddess of Earth. So when we
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refer to Gia because there because the definition of being
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alive is kind of a morphous, like you breathe and
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you have circulation and you do things, and that's alive.
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more and more about when you die.
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kinds of mystery about death and what is life and
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the earth Gia meets some definition of being alive, Like
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how does the ocean maintain its salinity at two points
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something or whatever it is? You know, with all the
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rains coming down and all the minerals washing it, you
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think it just go up and continue, because where is
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it going to go? It evaporates, and there's this cycle
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of earth things coming into the ocean. Why doesn't the
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ocean change salinity? I don't know the answer to that.
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Why the currents of the earth, of wind and water
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are like arteries. The earth takes care of itself.
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Having said that, I want to just switch gears because
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there's some people that have been in your life that
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are very important to me too, and I just want
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you to reflect on a couple of them.
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First of all, can you talk a little bit about Leonard.
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Leonard Namoy was my brother. I have two sisters, one
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of whom just deceased, and Leonard was the brother I
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never had. I loved Leonard like my dearest friend. He
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was my guy.
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You know, actors when they get a certain amount of
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publicity and popularity.
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It's difficult to sort who people are.
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Like a guy I've known for fifty years twenty five
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a long time wrote me recently and said, would I.
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Send a recommendation for something?
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You know? So?
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Oh Jesus okay? So I recommended him and then he
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wrote back, could you put it on your your stationary? O? Lord?
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The guy's using me like everybody uses us the people
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who can bring them some benefit. And Leonard never we
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obviously never entered either one of our heads to utilize.
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We were friends because we were friends, and I loved him,
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I admired him, I depended.
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On him a lot. And if you're referring to the
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last few months of his life, I'll go into that.
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I'm not. My fondest memories of you two are ribbing
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each other on stage.
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I mean I could do that without How can you
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do how can you josh each other so with fun
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and love and elicit love and fun?
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Uh without loving it, really loving each other? I loved him.
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It was a beautiful thing to see. Now.
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One of my favorite roles of yours is Denny Crane,
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and I'm obsessed with James Spader. So I just wonder
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what it was like working with what's your obsession? Well,
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you may think that he's an incredible talent. The Blacklist,
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which is the show that he did afterwards, I thought
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was so incredible.
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I just I always wondered what was like? You know,
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you work with him for years? What was that like?
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For five years? I loved him another buddy. I mean,
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you know, it's like being in the trenches. You're you're
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a say on all sides.
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When you're an actor, and especially on a series, people
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are at you for one thing or another. And then
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there's ten pages of dialogue every day, and mostly it
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was James.
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And me doing it together, and.
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And so it not only was there a mutual I
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think mutual I know, I know, mutual admiration, but a
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genuine loving feeling between James and myself.
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The tragedy is we were finished the cancelation, last show,
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last shot. Oh, James said, it's a shame I won't
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see you on a regular basis. We'll get together. I'll
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call you, I'll call you for lunch, go to lunch.
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We never called. I haven't seen since the cancelation of
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that show. Well you no, no, it could it could
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come back.
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Now, there's another guy that had a very significant gravitas
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in his on screen relationship with you, and that's the
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great Ricardo Montalban.
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You're not saying it correctly. It's the Cardo montl Bond.
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As in fine Corinthian leather. There you are exactly well.
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If he was alive, if he were alive today, would
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would he say you stop mentioning Corinthy and the leather.
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Why that one commercial stood out, I don't know.
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But nobody had the chemistry of Shatner and Montlebond together.
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You two together were unbelievable.
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And I realized that it did to doctor overuse the
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word love.
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And I don't because I love very few people I
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like and admire, but to use the word love. He
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was the dearest soul and after the shooting of that
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until I went up to assu him, because when I
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first was aware of him, he was a dancer. When
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I became acquainted with him, he walked with the cane.
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As I got to know, he got more and more crippled,
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and finally he was in the chair, and finally he
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was the most beautiful dancer. He had the dancer's body.
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He was so athletic and and to see this lovely
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man crumble was quite a lesson in life.
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Well, I prefer to think.
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Of the two of you locked, you know, locked towards
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started like those other guys were locked in an internal
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embrace because of film. I think honestly that even just
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that scream con is you know, going to be kept
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in the Library of Congress for.
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A little better. Please just say con a little. Let
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me coach you on con. Please all right, start give
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me a con.
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Gone.
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Oh jeez, that's better. Now have you wrecked your voice?
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Now?
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Can you talk? Don't worry about me.
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I can know what I wanted to ask you about
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Star Trek five. I feel that history has treated that
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film better. I know at the time there was a
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lot of talk about it, but I've gone back and
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watched him multiple times. I really liked the film a lot,
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and I just wondered what it was like directing a
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major motion picture like that.
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It's got to be a hassle.
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I really think one of the great thrills of my life,
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one of the great disappointments of my life. You know,
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Harve Bennett was the producer, and I'm sure he had
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many great qualities that made him lovable to people. But
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he had the unfortunate affliction of being an alcoholic. And
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I think that was the problem because every afternoon and
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there'd be some heated discussions. He never really helped me
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as the producer of that film. They never really helped
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me get over the problems of of the of the
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Star Trek five. The problems with Star Trek five. For me,
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we're learning how to allocate funds, and he never helped
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me with that, and so I never was able to
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do it properly. And I overspent in the beginning and
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I didn't have funds for the ending, and I needed
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I needed some help, which I never got. And so
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that I had great I had a great idea Star
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Trek goes in search of God, and that's a great theme.
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That's endless, and there's humanity, and there's evil, and there's
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the devil and the there's so many things that the
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human culture has evoked that I wanted to I wanted
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our cast to examine, and I never got it right.
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And to my everlasting sorrow, so I had I'm a
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I'm a really good director.
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I did a lot of television. Some of those shots
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that I used are openings of the show. And you know,
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I've got a lot of kdos for directing.
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Uh, it's a great look. It's a great looking movie.
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It's a great looking movie, and there's spot but.
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I didn't have the funds to really make it and
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he got slammed. And I don't know whether it's justified
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or not. And as as you're pointing out, people are
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beginning to look at it a little differently now, but
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it's a it's it's a flawed film for that reason.
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Hi, and welcome once again to this episode's creation pop
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Culture Cinema Squad. And in this episode, we're going to
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be boring down on two or three of our most
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favorite sci fi TV projects that are going on right now,
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as well as previewing one Marvel film in particular that
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we're very interested in. So I think we'll kick it
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off by talking about Dune Prophecy, which just wrapped its
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first season. And this was an incredible piece of work.
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I know, Kit, you have been enjoying it as much
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as I did. And for those of you don't enthusiasts,
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of course, you know that Frank Herbert Saga of Paula
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Treaties and the between the Harconins and the treaties and
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the subsequent jahad that overtook the galaxy really was the
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seeds of that were laid ten thousand years earlier, and
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that story, which is partly written by Frank Herbert's son,
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is explored in Doing Prophecy. So Kit, tell me, what's
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your takeaway in terms of how this feels next to well.
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I mean, of course I also experienced David Lynch's Due
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when it first came out, but I think this generation
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kind of defines Dune now by the Denny Villeneue films,
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which is so incredible. And Bill you Chiman here too,
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what's your take on the how the TV show sort
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of fits in stylistically to the current crop of what
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the world proceeds of is doing.
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I mean, we're not on what Racus, okay, So, I
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mean the films know create.
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That iraqis better than I can ever imagine what it
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would really be like.
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So for the show, we're.
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Going back in time, so we're in different locations, but
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the style and the subject of matter is still very
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close to the films, I.
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Think, so I think they managed to kind of capture
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Denny's visual style. Closely. It's an opulate. The Dune Prophecies
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are pretty opulent production very much.
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Because you can see where this series would evolve into
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the films over that span of time, and so it's
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definitely going to like it fits into that.
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World without being discordant.
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One of the things about Done that was always so
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striking is how they there were no sort of robots
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or intelligent machines, and the genesis of that whole thing
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is explored in and it really is sort of a
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mirror to what we're just starting to experience here in
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our own world evolutionarily with AI.
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Yeah, so I guess this is outlawed in Doom Prophecy.
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Right well, because of the Machine Wars and dom Prophecy.
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They recount the Machine Wars where intelligent AI almost took
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over the world, but the Atreaties Family, the Great House
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of A Treaties defeated the intelligent machines and henceforth intelligent
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machines are banned. Now, the Treaties family accused the Harconan
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family of being complicit in the development of the AI,
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so that starts to set up the feud, but it
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becomes even more of a blood feud thanks to the
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Harcone and Sisters.
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Well, I think what they are trying to go for
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and I think what they do.
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Is kind of a game of from situation where you've
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got houses, is you've got people you know from each
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one being represented and each one has the truth teller?
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Is that what they're called?
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You know that?
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And those truth tellers are the Benegestuate, who we know,
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of course, are an order that we're sort of started
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by people that the Harcone and Sisters sort of were
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mentored by, but they took a kind of a divergent
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path in terms of how the Benicicester it ended up developing.
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But I think the whole idea that Benegesture it was
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that the great Houses cannot be counted on to rule
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the galaxy in a manner that's orderly, and there's too
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much chaos, So why not try and influence the future
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political outcome of the Empire and the galaxy by playing
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with genetics, bloodlines, families and lineages.
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Yeah, I'm actually the first episode left me a little cold.
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I'm like, am I going to wait?
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And it is?
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But now that I'm watched more of the episodes, like Tula,
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the narrative is really grabbing me.
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Now, well, you have Emperor Carino, who is played by
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the fabulous Mark Strong. We all love Mark Strong, and
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the Emperor is sort of torn between the other great houses,
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his own Benegester, Truthsayer, and then the arrival of a
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mysterious soldier from Oracus who has strange powers to be
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able to kill other people. It appears with his mind,
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but you may not have reached this yet at the
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conclusion of that season, but it does turn out that
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he he has been on a Racus spoiler alert if
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you haven't seen this season and stop now. He was
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commandeered by intelligent machines who put something into his body
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that allows him to emit nanites that can kill other people. Now,
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00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:31.599
the irony of it is that the Benedicest themselves have
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been working with an artificial intelligence entity to shape the bloodlines,
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and yet now there's another artificial intelligence entity that has
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taked this character played by Desmond played by Travis Finnell,
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who's a fantastic actor and has given him a power
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to kill people with AI technology. He's working for the Emperor.
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So in a certain sense, you've got two different ais
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working surreptitiously behind the scene. Undermining the different political positions
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of the great houses, and it's ironic considering that they
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are outlawed. Right, So the second season will no doubt
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dwell on the mystery of what this artificial intelligence on
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Oracus is that shaped Desmond and also the future of
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the Benicester. It's use of AI to influence bloodlines and genetics,
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and it all goes back to the same thing, which
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is that AI is dangerous and you can sort of
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see why it's outlawed. And then of course Tula Harcone
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and having murdered the whole clan of a Treatise, sets
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up this bloodline of hatred between the Treaties and Harconin families. However,
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you'll be hard pressed to find a more magnificent or
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nefarious villain the Baron Vladimir Harkonen from the actual time
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of Dune and Dukeldo and Paula Treaties.
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I think the one thing that strikes me on it
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is the Travis Fermel character, and again I love his
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acting has ever since seeing his Ragnar back in Vikings.
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But his character have so many echoes from his character
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and raised by wolves.
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Which is such a great show.
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Oh.
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I love especially season one I really loved.
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That's a very peculiar show that we will take on
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Waverley Scott. We will do a Die Deep. I'm raised
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by wolves. It's a fantastic show. I just wanted to
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talk a little bit about a film that's coming from
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Marvel Comics in July. That would be Fantastic four First Steps,
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a movie that's very close to my heart because I
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am the world's number one Fantastic four fan. Let's talk
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a little bit about that. Kit and or Bill kind
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of give us some of the skinny on what's coming
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up on that film.
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Well, the trailer is intriguing. I mean, we we saw,
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we see them, and I think the cast is really great.
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We've got Pedro Pascal and Vanessa Kirby, jose Of Quinn.
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Who we've worked with from Shelter, from from.
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Strange Also, he was in a Quiet Place Day one
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and he's just amazing. So I'm intrigued by the by
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the trailer, but I just overall, I just saw the
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Captain America Brave New World film, and you know, it's okay.
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But what I really want to know is where is
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Marvel going? And I think the fantastic for film is
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jump starting the.
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Next yeah, for the first film of Phase six.
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So I'm hoping somehow we'll get, you know, that through
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line that we can see what the next film tie.
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It is a through line because Fantastic four is arguably
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Fantastic for his greatest villain is the great Doctor Doom,
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And of course fans are super excited at the fact
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that Robert Downey Junior will be playing Doctor Doom, which
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was an incredible reveal and we're all very excited about that.
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That will be get the next Avengers film, which is
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Avengers Doomsday, and coming out of that will be Avengers
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Secret War, which I think is going to be Marvel
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Face seven. But just a couple of things about Fantastic
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For First of all, I love Matt Shackman. I love WandaVision.
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He's an incredible director. But as we've ranted over and
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over again, it's all in the script. If the script
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isn't good, it could still fall flat on his face.
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I also, I love the mid century vibe. The design
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concepts for it looked great and I'm very excited about that.
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Bringing in some of the characters from Fantastic Four. I
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note in the trailer the appearance of John Malkovich. Fans
588
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are speculating that he'll play the Red Ghost, which is very,
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very exciting, but most important to me is one of
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Jack Kirby's greatest creations is the pair of the Silver
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Surfer and Glades. And for those of you that saw well,
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there have been three Fantastic Four movies. I personally enjoyed
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the first two films, did not like the third one.
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But in that second Fantastic Four film, they kind of
595
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completely blundered the whole Galactus concept. So I'm excited to
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finally see the big guy in the helmet, you know,
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and you can see catch a glimpse of him in
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the trailer. I'm sort of really excited to see the
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real Galactus returned to Manhattan. And I guess a variant
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Silver Surfer who is a woman from the comic books,
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even though I grew up on a male Silver Surfer
602
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Uran Rad. There's a mingling of different continuities, different universes.
603
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It's a multiverse, so correct me if I'm wrong. But
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I believe that this Fantastic Four story is not even
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occurring in our universe, but maybe occurring in another universe
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that will eventually cross over into our universe, but we'll
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we'll have to wait and see. Anyway, I hope they
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get goats in the Silver Surfer.
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Right, They've got us to start really focusing in on
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what's going to be good because they are so spread
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out right now with the TV shows and the movies,
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and it kind of is disadvantage for people to see,
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like Caps in America. If they didn't see Falcon and
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Winter Soldier on Marvel, I mean on Disney plus, they
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could be a little confused. So Marvel, it's time to get.
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Your messed together.
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And a special shout out to our buddy Doug Jones,
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who was so wonderful was a silver Surfer in that
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second film. Yeah, looking forward to seeing how they physically
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realized the female silver Surfer in the new film. Anyway,
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we do love Matt Shackman, so we're hoping the best
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for Fantastic four first steps.
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I'll still say my favorite Fantastic Four is not actually
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the ones that you mentioned, but the Roger Corman That's
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still my favorite version.
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Of it because if you like a grade B schlock version.
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Absolutely, but it was clearly done by someone who loved
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the material it was and that's for me what really
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made it feel so, you know, funny, it was that
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overpriced fan film as much as any thing, but it
631
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:58.400
definitely carried like the heart of someone that read the
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comics that loved it.
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Let's talk about Severance. Everybody's talking about Separence these days.
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00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:07.039
It seems to be like a big spoiler spoiler.
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You know, season two is just in the middle, so
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00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.920
we might be giving a little spoiler, so just let
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you know.
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But you want to know, so just listen on all right,
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kit set up Severance For those of our viewers that
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haven't actually.
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Seen the series, okay, well you have to. It's on
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Apple TV. And the initial premise is there's some mysterious.
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Corporation called Lumen, and you can if you work for
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Lumen in certain departments, you could be what they call
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on the severed.
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Floor, which means.
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That your home life is separate from your work life
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and neither know what's going on in each Have any
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in and out.
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Kit, Why would a person choose to be severed?
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Well, with Adam Scott's character, it's to get out of
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his losing his wife. So he doesn't want to live
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with that grief anymore, so he figures why not have
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a whole chunk of my day not remembering that she's dead,
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so other people might.
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You don't.
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Actually, we don't really get the other.
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People in the show. They're reasonings behind being severed, which
659
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is kind of an.
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Interesting Well, Helly actually is Helly, who is actually Helena,
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the scion of the Egan family, right, she has her bested.
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Reasons for being severed, or actually so that she can
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submerge her outing self into the world of the Innies
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to observe the experiment and observe what's going on. In fact,
665
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season two is a brain blow because it turns out
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that Helen is Audi has been in filtrating the Innies,
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playing the role of Helly and making them all think
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that she was the Innie, when in fact she was
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the Audi trying to see what's going on with the
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Inny group, because the Lumen and the Egans are concerned
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that the Innies are fomenting a revolution a conspiracy, which
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they kind of are, because they realize that something is
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seriously screwed up about the outside world and their place
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as Innies. Now, I want to just talk a little
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bit about some revelations that have come out in the
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middle of this season. Season two, there was an episode
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of called Woe's Hollow in which the Innies go on
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a kind of a morale building retreat out in a
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forest and it's an incredible experience, and in that episode,
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Helena is outed literally, but we learn some historical background
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about the Egan dynasty and the Egan family. So Luman
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is governed by a very mysterious board, and the thing
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that's so trippy about it is that nobody ever sees
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the board. Now, they always talk through this young lady
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and she converses with them, but we never see them.
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So really the question is what the hell is this board.
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Some people think that they're heads brains in cases.
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That have been preserved, I mean, the fairies are.
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Others say that it could be an ai. There are
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a lot of theories as to what the board is.
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But they go on this retreat and we learn that well,
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trying to figure out why people are being what Luhman
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wants with these several personalities. It's getting into mind control,
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behavior can control. And we start to learn something about
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kind of a mythology that the Egan family has called
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the Four Tempers, and we learn that the Egans want
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to balance those four tempers in a human personality. These
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four tempers are woe which also coincidentally, these four tempers
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are represented by members of the team. Helly represents woe,
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which is sadness and melancholy, Mark played by Adam Scott
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is joy and frivolous Irving, who is John Tretorro, represents
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dread and fear, and Dylan Zach Cherry is a rage.
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And malice conspiracy thearists.
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So this is further reinforced by the fact that that
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in microdata refinement, when they sit at their consoles and
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00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.039
you know how they're looking at numbers, they give them
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a kind of an emotional response and they pull down
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groups of numbers into a bin. Those four bins are
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actually the four tempers, which are woe, Frolic, dread, and BALLAE.
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If you look on the side of the software you'll
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see wo, FCDR, and A. And also these four tempers
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are sort of a rough allusion to the four humors
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of Greek velosophy. But evidently the Egans and tier Egans,
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sort of the guy that they've all descended from, felt
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that the human condition and human personality those four tempers
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needed to be balanced to create a proper human being.
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So maybe Luhmann in these severed individuals, is trying to
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do behavior modification to create people who are balanced in
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their tempers.
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Could be Listen, We're gonna keep talking about so on
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this podcast, because you know we haven't gotten.
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Got to the end yet, so stay tuned.
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There's a couple more mysteries I want to talk about today.
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We're seeing that Mark is beginning to slip between his
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any and outy consciousness, so I'm very interested to see
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if he gets to a point where he can actually
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move between his his separate selves. I think that's very exciting.
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And there's also the mystery that irvings of Irving's paintings
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and what is this star corridor that he's painting and
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00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:41.000
he's ever seen. There's also another mystery concerning Mark's wife.
731
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:42.679
Is she alive?
732
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:44.039
She did?
733
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:48.840
Is she a clone? Are the goats clones? I'm just saying,
734
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:53.119
all right? And then and then of course, Dan Erickson,
735
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:57.679
who created the series, used to work in a door factory,
736
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:01.239
So I think the whole idea of the corporate world
737
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:06.440
as being sort of numbing and brainless, those kinds of
738
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:11.039
tropes sort of find their way into the show. There's
739
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:14.280
also something that was referred to called the Glasgow Block,
740
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:18.039
which was the way in which Helena was able to
741
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:21.280
stay in her outy self while she was with the innies.
742
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:26.280
So we're going to learn more about why they use
743
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:30.599
the Glasgow block. And maybe they're trying to keep people
744
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:34.880
as innies all the time. Maybe they think they're getting
745
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.119
into the elevator and they never actually get up. They
746
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:40.280
just keep them down in there so that they can
747
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:44.239
become kind of a race of slaves. There are many questions,
748
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.440
not enough answers, but I think it's that Ben Stiller
749
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:51.880
and Dan Erickson have crafted an incredibly fascinating tale. And yes,
750
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:57.000
we will talk a lot more about Severance in upcoming episodes. Absolutely,
751
00:48:57.159 --> 00:48:58.079
thanks you guys.
752
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:07.760
Thinking last night of some of the people that have
753
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:10.239
kind of crossed our pass and a person who's not
754
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:11.559
really remembered.
755
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:12.400
That well is Bill Gaines.
756
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:19.039
He was an amazing personality. I mean Mad Magazine of course,
757
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:24.480
but for comic themes like me, EC Comics was such
758
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:29.360
a groundbreaking comic group, group of creators and talents.
759
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:31.519
Am I right in remembering that there was like a
760
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:35.119
King Kong lot in a King Kong model in.
761
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:38.440
Bill Gain's office. I mean, you're really digging back into
762
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.239
the memory banks. He had a very ornate office filled
763
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:44.519
with collectibles that wouldn't be surprised if there was a
764
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:47.559
king coming in there. But also there was tons of
765
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:50.000
cartoon art by all the guys that worked for him.
766
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.280
Yeah. Right, So who are your favorites of all the
767
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:53.800
mad and.
768
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:58.679
Artists? You and I both love Jack Davis. You even
769
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:01.119
have a piece of art Bijack Davis, which is amazing.
770
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:01.639
Yeah.
771
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:04.480
Well, about thirty years ago I commissioned him. I could
772
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.480
only afford eleven characters of.
773
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:08.360
My favorite comedians.
774
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.719
He wanted one thousand dollars a character and I'm sitting
775
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:12.440
there too, which.
776
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:14.199
He drew, which is really cool, fantastic.
777
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:15.599
Yeah, that's the best collectible I have.
778
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:18.760
He did a lot of the great interior stories that
779
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:22.960
they had in the comic and uh, well, let's see
780
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.119
Norman Mingo's covers were incredible.
781
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:27.199
Right, But we never worked with him.
782
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:29.400
We never worked with him, but we worked with a
783
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.199
lot of the E C. Comic artists.
784
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.320
Well, we had Dick Berg as a guest.
785
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:37.639
Once, Dave Berg. Dave, Yeah, we had Dave Berg, and
786
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:41.760
he looked exactly like the pie you know, Yeah, he
787
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:43.280
was a few of those people.
788
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:47.880
Maurice Severn who also worked at Marvel. Yeah, was Marie
789
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:51.079
Severn working at Mad magazine, though she worked a little
790
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:52.880
bit with the c okay with EC.
791
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:54.360
Yeah, but it's the.
792
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:58.679
EC artists and the whole concept of a really really
793
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:04.400
adult orient It did very literate, well written and well illustrated.
794
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.039
A set of comic books that Bill pioneered with EC
795
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:11.119
comics that were fifty years.
796
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:13.400
Out of their time. But what are they suitable for
797
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:14.559
children in the fifties?
798
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.760
You know, I don't think they're necessarily suited for children
799
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:21.559
in any era, but certainly you know, doctor Frederick Wortham
800
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:25.880
that all think Seduction of the took Bill to court.
801
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:26.800
I actually read that.
802
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:32.119
I mean, America still is a repressed country, but in
803
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:35.440
the fifties it was crazy, Lila. But what's amazing is
804
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:39.320
how many of the EC artists came to our shows
805
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:42.559
in the seventies. So let's see if I can remember.
806
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:43.679
There's Al Williamson.
807
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:48.239
We worked with incredible talent, yep, one of the greats, right, Krankel. No,
808
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:51.440
Crankel did indeed do some of the sci fi stuff
809
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:56.400
for EC. Yeah, crank with them and then Frank, the
810
00:51:56.480 --> 00:51:57.519
great Frank Frazetta.
811
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:03.400
Okay, EC artists, we said Jack Dave, No, we never
812
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:07.000
had Jack Davis, Al Jaffee. Did we work with Al Jaffe?
813
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:07.519
We did?
814
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:08.519
Oh he was great.
815
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:15.159
Yeah. Well, well Wally would for me sort of quintessential
816
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:17.039
EC sci fi artists.
817
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:20.559
And what was that famous like story where my world,
818
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:21.400
My world.
819
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:25.639
Which was also some of the techniques that would used,
820
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:30.079
which were very esoteric. Comic book is such an unforgiving medium.
821
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:36.000
Uh So comic illustrators developed some techniques to work in
822
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:43.400
that medium, including uh aids that were called craft tint. Oh. Yeah,
823
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:50.559
craft tint were uh drawing boards that you could do
824
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:54.400
keen and ncon and then treat them with a chemical
825
00:52:54.840 --> 00:53:00.960
and it would bring out a gradient uh line matrix
826
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:05.039
that could be used to create shadings and sort of
827
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:10.920
subtle variants in tone without actual half tone, without actual
828
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:15.079
dot matrixes. And he was an expert at craft. And
829
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:18.719
then there was also zimpotone, which was in fact a
830
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:21.639
plastic overlay that you could put onto the pages that
831
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:27.119
did contain dot matrixes of various sorts and woods techniques
832
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:30.719
were incredible, And then of course Wally went on to
833
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:34.679
do a fanzine in the sixties called whitsand yeah, I
834
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:38.519
remember that that some fans of certain age might remember.
835
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:42.400
But we had those interactions with Wally Sadly he had
836
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:45.039
fallen on hard times by the time we got him.
837
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.599
But those artists of that era were incredible, and it
838
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:54.480
was definitely partly Bill Gains vision that wasn't in his
839
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:58.440
father or MC games. Yeah, but I really think a
840
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.440
lot of it was Bill. Bill's vision to really create
841
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:05.920
just a very top and comic book experience, graphics store experience.
842
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:10.039
So that era led to the younger artists that you
843
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:12.880
really love, like Koluda and Bernie.
844
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:14.800
Rison and Jeff Jones.
845
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.000
Right well, I would say came after what were they
846
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:18.639
as talented as the EC people.
847
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:21.840
They were, But those young Turks are really sort of
848
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:26.039
a second generation. The first generation after the ECT artists
849
00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:29.639
would have been the Marvel and DC artists of the
850
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:34.639
early sixties, guys like Carmine and Fantino and you know
851
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:39.639
Jack Kirby. Okay, so they John Ramita senior. And then
852
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:42.679
the next generation sort of right on the heels of
853
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:46.800
those guys were guys like Jeff Jones and by Keluda.
854
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:51.280
Like you say, Barry wins Winsor Smith, and then another
855
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:55.440
generation after that was like ghen Remeda Junior and John Byrne,
856
00:54:56.079 --> 00:55:00.360
and then of course Frank Miller and goes on.
857
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:03.880
So those people were all of the same talent level.
858
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:06.880
I just think of the EC people kind of in
859
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:10.880
a different plateau. But I think you're right.
860
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:13.800
I think the EC artists were on a very high
861
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:17.639
echelon in terms of technique. Their technique was incredible. I
862
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:20.960
mean Williamson and Frizetta, the work that they together. I
863
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:25.800
think Frizetta would deliver a lot of pencil work and
864
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:30.559
then Al would come in and do exquisite inking because
865
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.960
comic book medium was essentially one artist does the pencil work,
866
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.639
another artist comes in and does the ink work, and
867
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.199
then they have a colorist and a letterer. But the
868
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:45.519
pair of Frizetta and Williamson were unparalleled in terms of quality.
869
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:48.960
You don't see that level of illustration and comic books today,
870
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:53.280
although there are many very talented and gifted creators.
871
00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:56.320
Are you still looking at comics now? Yeah?
872
00:55:56.440 --> 00:55:58.559
I look at the comic books and graphics story today.
873
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:00.320
They're a lot different than they used to be. But
874
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:05.679
what's incredible now is really well created comic book, then
875
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.920
begats a film property. Yeah, a lot of times, you
876
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:12.039
know what we're seeing today. But there's something very special
877
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:14.280
about Mad Magazine. I know, it's always going to be
878
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:17.679
something very beloved in our hearts. And knowing Bill Gaines
879
00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:19.760
and having him at our shows is incredible. I don't
880
00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:21.880
know if you remember that we gave him a Lifetime
881
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:24.159
Achievement award. No, we did.
882
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:25.519
Oh that's my subust.
883
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:28.400
Yeah. In fact, there's a photo somewhere him holding a
884
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:29.679
Lifetime Achievement award.
885
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:30.320
Yeah.
886
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:32.719
I should look through those old photos and see. Yeah
887
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:33.519
he was so was he?
888
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:33.760
Like?
889
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:38.440
What was another cool, unusual personality type that you enjoyed
890
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:42.440
working with that that really made a mark on pop culture.
891
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:48.519
Well, I think one very interesting personality was Vonne Boudet.
892
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:49.400
Yeah.
893
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:51.719
Yeah, he was way ahead of his time too.
894
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:55.000
He was He was a kind of a counterculture figure
895
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:59.679
and had a very kind of a fluid sexuality and
896
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:03.880
and but was very talented. He created the Cheech Wizard
897
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:09.440
and created a multi media slideshow presentation for our events.
898
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:10.679
Yeah I remember that, you know.
899
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:13.360
And so he was very flamboyant.
900
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:13.840
Yeah, and.
901
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:18.159
That generation really kind of flocked to him. Kind of
902
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:19.519
the Woodstock Nation era.
903
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:20.039
Yeah.
904
00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:23.559
God, we yeah, we were involved with kind of that
905
00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:28.079
with underground comics when we used to have in Berkeley
906
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.840
and San Francisco. That was the era that that stuff
907
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:31.599
was happening when.
908
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:33.360
We were on in Comic I mean it was a revelation.
909
00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:33.800
Really.
910
00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:35.639
We were comic book fans and then all of a
911
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:38.400
sudden the underground comics came out. And of course the
912
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:42.559
the artist that exemplified that the most was Robert Crumb,
913
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:51.280
who whose work was groundbreaking, frequently borderline pornographic or schologically.
914
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:51.559
Yeah.
915
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:56.360
I remember when my mom found Harry Bernan finding you
916
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:59.559
that that would be disaster. Yeah, it was, uh in
917
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:02.400
all and some of them were over the over the edge, yeah,
918
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:04.800
you know, but we were selling stuff.
919
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:06.719
Well and I didn't even know what was We had
920
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:08.960
some of those guys. We had Larry Todd who was
921
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:12.079
Larry Todd, Yeah, we had him as a guest, and
922
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:17.119
Gilbert Shelton to release one of our shows. There were
923
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:21.880
Trina Trina Robbins, yes, and then we had one one
924
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:26.760
of the guys who was a pioneer in using airbrushing comics,
925
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:28.000
which was Richard KORbin.
926
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:29.920
Yeah, Richard Korbern.
927
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:34.280
He was great. Stuff was incredible, and he was very
928
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:36.119
very popular at the time. He did a cover of
929
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.480
One of the Infinity because one of our magazine covers.
930
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:43.079
That's right. So you sort of had a separate evolution
931
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:47.000
of i mean, the ec era of the fifties and
932
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:50.000
then kind of coming out of that the sixties, sort
933
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:53.079
of the simultaneous thing of what Matt was doing and
934
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:55.880
what Marvel and DC were doing. And then towards the
935
00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:59.079
end of that decade the sort of the counterculture of
936
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:02.480
Woodstock ere. Uh. You started seeing the guys from the
937
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:06.760
studio who lived up in Woodstock, Jones, Wrights in Kluda
938
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:12.880
and Smith. Was that their studio the studio, No, they
939
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:16.320
were individually in Manhattan, but opened up the studio these studios,
940
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:20.800
remember that, the Woodstock Yeah, and uh. And then just
941
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:23.760
coming off of that in the early seventies was the
942
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:27.360
underground comic movement and that whole group of people that
943
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:31.079
were sort of evolving simultaneously to the next generation of
944
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:33.639
Marvel and DC artists that were happening in the seventies.
945
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.320
Guys that we knew at our shows, like John Remita
946
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:40.559
Junior and people like that. But some there was still
947
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:42.880
a lot of the old guard who sort of had
948
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:45.440
been in some of those different worlds, guys like John
949
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:47.559
Bussemma and Jean Poland.
950
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:52.800
Yeah, I have someone to mention we uh, Harvey Kurtzman. Yeah,
951
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:56.159
he was he wasn't he Bil Gains partner at one point.
952
00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:58.360
You know, I don't know if they were partners, but
953
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:01.400
he was definitely one of the it was lieutenants. Yeah,
954
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:03.639
And Harvey did a lot of work for Bill, He
955
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:06.400
did a lot of work for EC. He did a
956
01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:09.000
lot of work for Mad Magazine, and he also did
957
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:11.360
he did other newspaper.
958
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:14.440
Yeah, and comedy Yeah, and he worked for did stuff
959
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:16.840
and Playboy and stuff. Yeah. Those were super talented people.
960
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:18.119
I'm glad we got to meet all of them.
961
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:24.840
You because of your incredible passion for comedy. H Some
962
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:30.159
of those people in Mad Magazine and that were involved
963
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:35.360
with sort of the visual comics visual comics comedy movement
964
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:40.519
also kind of trickled their way through to comedy itself.
965
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:42.480
Yeah.
966
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:45.119
You mean, like Arnie called that kind of thing where
967
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:48.400
he would do a scene that was but I mean
968
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:51.199
Mad Magazine, I mean there ended up being Mad TV.
969
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.639
Yeah, that's what you're talking about. Yeah, but I don't
970
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:58.360
know if they translated the magazine specifically to the TV show.
971
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:00.800
No, it was much more contemporary. Yeah, but in fact
972
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:04.599
Matt TV was, you know, probably more of a licensing
973
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:05.960
entity than anything else.
974
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:08.199
Yeah, I remember the Man. There was a mad Broadway
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show that was very successful.
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Yeah.
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Speaking of Broadway shows, there was a very very obscure
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Broadway show called Warp.
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Yeah, I remember that. That's all right. Let me remember
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who did the costumes.
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But the production designed.
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No, it's someone that we know really well.
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Yeah, who is actually one of the greats of that
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late sixties early seventies era. It's Neil Adams.
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Oh yeah, yeah, I should know.
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And now Adams was another great one we worked with,
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fantastic talent. And also the guy that code conceived of
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the Warp play is our own Doug Murray.
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Oh that I didn't know.
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Doug was intimately involved in the development of that. I
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believe it ran for one performance.
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Well that's not a long run. Well, you know, you
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might be the only other person that remembers had.
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These Broadway Well, growing up in New York was very
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privileged and special for us in that era. So much
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culture and fertile talent all kind of coming out of
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there really and grungy studios and you know, the Marvel
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bullpen and.
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Then and then yeah, we'll have to talk about actually
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visiting the Marvel bull that.
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Was on Bill Gaines's own studio, Neil Adams, Krusty Bunkers,
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I remember those. So there were a lot of kind
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of these illustrator bullpens, and.
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Those were the first guys who kind of made their
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art into like a real business.
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Well, one of the problems was that in those days,
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all comic book art and even characters in ip wire
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worked for hire, and so guys like Kirby, who created
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some of the greatest epic characters and concepts of that era,
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their stuff is multi billion dollar movies today and their
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families in the States don't get to enjoy sort of
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any of the.
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I think financially it might have been some settlements along
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the way, but I'm not really sure insummation.
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I think there's no question that Bill Gaines and EC
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Comics had a lasting impact of inspiration and creativity on
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future generations of comic graphic story illustrators and creators.
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Yeah, I'm glad I had the opportunity to remember him.
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Yeah, he's been great and he was a great creation guest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, We'll.
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Look forward to talking to you next time about some
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other interesting topic.
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All right, that's awesome. Thanks so much pleasure.
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Wow right, that was amazing.
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I know, so much fun.
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This is the best.
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This is the best.
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I can't wait to keep doing this.
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Absolutely, this has been so much fun.
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Before we go, let's talk about a convention that we've
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got coming up.
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March twenty second and twenty third in Burbank, California.
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We have the Women of Sci Fi Convention. It's all
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women of sci Fi.
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As you may have guessed, I'm a big Star Trek fan,
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so of course I'm zeroing in on the Star Trek people.
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Listen to this.
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Michelle Hurd of Picard, Tawny Newsom of Lower Decks, Denise
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01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:20.920
Crosby and Gates McFadden of Star Trek The Next Generation,
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01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:25.639
Lolita Fago of Next Generation, Deep Space nine, voyder Nana Visitor,
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01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:29.679
Terry Farrell Chase Master, Nicole de borr All of Star
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01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:30.599
Trek Deep Space nine.
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It's like a reunion of Deep Space nine.
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There the women.
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Then we've got Linda Park of Enterprise, Sandy Gimpel of
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the Cage and the original series, so she's been around
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for sixty years. In Star Trek and Bonnie Gordon of
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Prodigy I'm gonna go nuts there.
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Yeah.
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Plus beyond Star Trek, we also have from Boostar Galactica.
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We have Mary McDonald and Trisha Helfer. We have Adrian
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Plecki from The Orville and also Agents of Shield. And
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01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:02.079
if there's Supernatural fans out there, you know she is
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01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:05.280
Friday Night Lights, right, That's right, Friday Night Lights. Elisa
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01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:07.599
Taylor from The one hundred, who I guess was the
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star of that.
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You ever thought that I need to see that.
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Joanna Cassidy from Blade Runner, the original Blade Runner, you know,
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with the snake and everything.
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She's coming.
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I can't believe it.
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It's so cool.
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01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:22.079
And Denise Richard's from Starship Troopers clearly one of my
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very favorite, like all time, you know, guilty pleasure type films,
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so fun, Katie Lots from The Arrow and DC's Legends
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01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:35.199
of Tomorrow. We have Melanie Scrafano from Why Known to
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01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:41.039
earp Also she played Marie Patel on on Stranger Worlds,
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and then Claudia Christian from Babylon Five. I mean, come on,
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it is great. And here's the best part.
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It is a charity event, so all of the prophets
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are going to be going.
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Towards charities supporting the.
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01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:58.440
LA community after the devastating fires that we just had.
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01:05:58.719 --> 01:05:59.719
Divide Disasters.
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One of the charities also Random Acts National Recovery Fund,
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Natural Disaster Recovery Fund.
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So it's it's not only going to be.
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A lot of fun to go to and seeing all
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these great women on stage together, but it's also going
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to be very special as far as helping the first
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responders and the LA community.
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And by the way, we have more guests that we
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are booking. We've got some more from the Mandalorian, far Escape, Xena,
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01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:27.880
et cetera. So go to Creation eant dot com for
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tickets and and information. Once again, that's Creation e n
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T dot com. For more information, check out the Women
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of Sci Fi Convention.
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And all of the convention. We've got so many conventions
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coming up.
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Yeah, Ryan, that's a wrap.
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We did it.
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Give me a shake there, Well you go.
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That was a lot of fun, guys, and special thanks
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01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:49.360
to William Shatner for sharing all of his wonderful stories
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and and his just amazing career and his being part
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of the Creation Entertainment Family for so many years.
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So see y'all next time. Stay tuned for more.
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Guess what's next Part two of The Layer Shadow.
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That's right, see that there's even more