The Red Snapper Ban Makes NO SENSE! Here’s Why Captains Are Fed Up! Emergency Bonus Ep.!

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the red snapper. How prevalent were they
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before and up to when they put this
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quote unquote moratorium on it?
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>> And that's that's how I know the fish.
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I'm looking for the pockets in between
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the red snapper all the time.
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>> When I was working for the old man, we
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were catching them left and right 20
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plus.
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>> Guys, we're going to talk about some
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controversial red snapper. Stick with
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us.
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>> Welcome to the Captain's Report where
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the fish are big, the stories are
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bigger, and nothing is off limits. We're
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talking wild fishing tales, charter
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chaos, and the unfiltered sight of the
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industry straight from the captains
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who've [music] seen it all. So grab a
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beer, hold your rods, and tighten those
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drags, cuz this ain't your granddaddy's
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fishing report.
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All right, guys. Welcome back to the
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Caps Report. Got another loaded bus
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[laughter] for you today. We're going to
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go around the bus. We got some cool
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stories or controversial stories to talk
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about today, but to introduce you to a
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few people. Some of you may know, some
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of you may not. Of course you know
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Captain Caleb Caroline Hook and Fly in
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the co-host seat working down the line
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down on this loaded couch. We got
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Captain Frog BK in the house. Captain
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Melvin in the house. Captain Austin in
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the house. Captain Jack, legendary Black
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Diamond, and of course our producer Joe,
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myself, Captain Robert, Fish Fighter
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Fishing Charters. Let's get into it. So
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we want to talk a little bit about what,
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Mr. Caleb?
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>> Red snappers. this controversial
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fish that's apparently going extinct for
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everyone that's going through all these
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hoops and hurrah about why we can't
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catch them and we want to know what your
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thoughts are. Austin Melvin Captain Jack
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maybe tell you a few my thoughts on what
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we think about this whole red snapper
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situation. So
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>> let me let me start with saying this.
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>> What's that?
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>> I inshore fish for a living. A handful
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of times a year I get invited to go
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offshore. Love going offshore for fun.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I couldn't do it for hire. I'm not wired
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that way. But probably four times this
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year I've gotten to go offshore every
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single time. We're going out for
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grouper. Every single time.
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>> What do you catch?
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>> We catch red snappers.
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>> How big?
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>> So that that never
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>> Some of them have been
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>> Yeah.
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Like
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25. That never happens. They're in
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danger. They're overfished. That never
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happen. You
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>> So why would you like
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>> I'm just really good at red snapper
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fishing. Is that what this is?
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>> You must have the best spots I've ever
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[laughter] seen. So, to preface this a
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little bit, some of you may or may not
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know, prior to October 9th, right,
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October 9th of 2026, our red snapper
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fisheries was regulated down to 1 to two
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days a year.
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>> Hold on.
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>> They gave us three this year.
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>> Oh. Oh, three this year outside of the
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extra permit. Right. We'll get into that
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one here in a second. But so for the
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last how many years uh po how many years
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do you think it's been that they've done
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>> they've had a moratorium on them? I
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don't know.
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>> I mean it's been at least
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>> at least 10
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>> 10 plus years. I I mean somebody will
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have to do the research leave it in the
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comments below but
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>> over 10 years the red snapper for us
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have been apparently extinct and uh
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limited down to two days a year. And
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usually on those two days a year uh Cat
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Melvin what what's the weather like
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usually those two days a year? Well,
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that would be windy and nasty.
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>> Gale [laughter] force
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>> only six foot.
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>> It ain't even rough out there. Literally
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for the last 10 years, the two one to
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two days that we would get here in the
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South Atlantic Fisheries for red snapper
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has been blowing a gale and it just
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doesn't.
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>> You didn't have a 50ft boat, you
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wouldn't get nothing. You wouldn't get
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nothing.
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>> We We literally call it red snapper
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weather when it's rough. We say, "Oh,
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it's red snapper weather." So, finally,
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I and and I don't know all the full
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details. Maybe some of the other
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captains may know a little bit better
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here than me. We have been able to have
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the government pass a a permit for us to
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have an extended red snapper season in
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the South Atlantic Fishery with all
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these stipulations we'll probably talk
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about soon. So, this year between the
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9th and 22nd, depending on when this
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airs, it probably will be in that time
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frame, we'll actually maybe be able to
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catch one red snapper. But that being
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said, before we get into it, like
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Captain Caleb was mentioning, Bobs, back
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in the day, the Red Snapper, how
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prevalent were they before and up to
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when they put this quote unquote
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moratorum on it? I mean, was did you see
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a major major decline or was it just,
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you know,
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>> they were declining a little bit, but
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they were kind of holding their own?
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>> You feel like it got to about a kind of
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a plateau?
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>> Yeah. I mean, my whole time growing up,
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it it was, you know, h it's hard for me
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to describe. When I started fishing in
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the 70s,
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>> back in my day,
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>> Yeah. [laughter]
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>> I'm going to reach across and slap
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somebody.
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>> What What were the regulations back in
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your day? Was it keep as many as you
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want, any size you want? Were there any
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regulations on them?
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>> I can answer this in two two words. I
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plead the fifth. What regulations?
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[laughter]
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>> Okay, so preface that. There were there
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were zero regulations and we're talking
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about
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>> 1990
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>> 4190 no size no bag
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>> commercial fish
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>> the only downfall
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>> that I can tell you about the red
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snapper is red snapper is an aggressive
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feeding fish
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>> so when you stop on a spot there's
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snapper down there
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>> they're usually going to be
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>> they're going to be one of the first
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ones hit
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>> but now it's not really right because
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they've had a moratorum long enough it's
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not right for the recreational fisherman
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Okay. Well, what I was saying is before
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before they put the mortorium on them,
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you did you see a bit of a decline or
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and you said it seemed like it kind of
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just leveled out, but it never
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>> there was never at any point in time 10
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years ago when you went out and you
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couldn't find a red snapper,
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>> right?
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>> Not a chance.
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>> So, they've always been there.
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>> We we always caught them.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I got a couple stories I can tell you.
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>> Yeah. So, you know, whenever we get to
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that at all about way before the limits
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and everything. So, there's been plenty
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of days to catch those red snapper, but
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they finally, I guess, decided, do you
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remember or know why they finally
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decided to put a moratorium on it? No.
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No idea. It always kept them out there
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because we had a 20in size limit and you
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were only allowed two per person.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, you had snapper.
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>> Yeah.
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>> You know, and it only took a few years
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for them letting them go. They should
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have allowed the recreational, you know,
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brought it in slowly. I can see it was a
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great thing that they did it for a few
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years.
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>> Oh, put when they first put regulations
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on them, they went to two per person
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>> and 20 in
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>> and 20 in. Gotcha. I think I remember
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that. That was when I was growing up
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that we that we could keep those still
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keep those red snapper
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>> when I was working for the old man on
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the head. We were catching them left and
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right 20 plus.
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>> Yeah. I mean, that was kind of like the
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the vermilian snapper back then. You get
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your 11 of those and the next one. Move
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on to the next one.
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>> Pinky used the same thing.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, frog, so you
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kind of came in there on the headboats.
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A very good one to survey it with. Did
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you at any point in time really see that
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big of a diminish in the in the red
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snapper? I mean, certain places held
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them better than others, though, right?
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>> It's like any fish, it's going to move.
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It's going to go where it wants to go.
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And like your dad said, they're if
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they're there, they're going to be the
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first ones. It's going to knock the
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little fish out of the way. Yeah. But as
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far as size limit fish, I've never I I
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didn't notice in the 4 and 1/2 years
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that I've worked on the headboat.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Really that much of a of a difference. I
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mean, we were catching them from 14 to
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32 in like
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>> before they put the moratorium on.
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>> Yeah. Even before they said, "Hey,
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stop."
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>> Yeah. Yeah. And I I growing up, I never
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really could determine like what the
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difference was. And I mean, this leads
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into,
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>> you know, they could have put the
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moratorum on it for a couple of years.
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>> Yeah. and then come back with a one per
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person deal of 20 in and then saw how
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that did it not just to continue not to
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this is something I think uh Captain
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Austin has mentioned to me off camera
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but we'll get into is is it seems like
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when they start putting regulations on
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there's no backpedaling from that like
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they only keep going forward forward
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forward but so we were talking about the
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the red snapper didn't really seem like
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it was a huge huge decline for us
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obviously was probably noticeable but
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not as much of enough for it to put a
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complete moratorium on it. That to us
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was always very surprising that they
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actually put a complete and total
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moratorium on them.
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>> Well, it's backfired on us because now
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as you know we go out there and we drop
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down on the spot and the red snapper
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won't let us catch nothing else.
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>> That's where I was getting at with Yes.
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I've been ingrained my entire I came a
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little later, you know, so I've been
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ingrained my entire
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>> offshore fishing to avoid red snapper,
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you know what I mean? That's that's how
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I know to fish. I'm looking for the
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pockets in between the red snapper all
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the time.
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>> But you So since you've been, you know,
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running boats here, Cat Austin, it's
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kind of been one of those situations
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where you've had to avoid them, but how
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possible has that been?
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>> Some days it's not possible at all. You
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you go to 10 different spots and it's
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all [laughter] you can catch. I mean, it
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will have you throwing [snorts]
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literally throwing in the towel in the
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bottom of the boat going, "Man, I wish
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we'd catch some other snapper." Yeah.
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>> And it's it's hard to explain to your
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customers that have paid an exorbitant
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amount of money to be on the boat with
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you
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>> that you go to five or six different
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places and catch these fish.
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>> Six people on the boat and they drop
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down, they catch them two at a time and
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they bring them in the boat and I go,
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"Hey,
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>> yeah,
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>> take a good picture cuz they're going
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back in the water and now we're going to
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have to go five different places to try
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and find you one fish that you can
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keep." So, you were coming through the
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area where it was literally it was just
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the mortorium. Well, we kind of alluded
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to in the intro where the red snapper
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weather would hit every time we'd
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actually go out to get one or two of
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them,
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>> you know, and a lot of us and in
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honesty, I know like a lot of us like
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like grouper fishing. It's made that
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super hard. Uh but speaking of them
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being such an aggressive fish, you know,
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in the years that you've seen it, do you
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think that it's since the mortorium's
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been on there, do you think from your
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first year as mates or captain going to
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where we are now, has it gotten more red
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snapper or less red snapper? Because
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you're in that era of where like, hey,
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do we think that the moratorum is
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working or is it going over is what I'm
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trying to say.
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>> I I don't believe that it's more. I
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believe they've just gotten bigger
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because they haven't been messed with.
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So, from what I can remember, when I
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used to go work as a mate, we go grouper
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fish, you know, we catch some some dink
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little red snappers, you know, 20 in, 22
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in. Now, we go grouper fishing and you
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got to catch
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>> three 30 pounders before you find, you
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know, one scamper or whatever you're
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looking for. You know what I mean? Just
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absolutely wears you out before you can
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find cuz they're they're together, you
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know, but the
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>> my argument to that would be that that's
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probably going to be the fish that bites
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first, right? You think that he probably
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has 10 other, you know, 15 or 20 inches
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underneath him?
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>> Absolutely.
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>> Yeah, I can see that. Absolutely, too.
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So, we all consensus the moratorum is
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something that did not work.
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>> Well, it did. It worked beautifully.
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>> But, you know what I mean?
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>> Too well in some ways, right?
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>> Now, they need to come back with
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>> the problem is there's never been a
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lessening of the rules. I I speak for
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myself when I say this, but but me and a
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lot of other people that I talked to
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worried about the regulations they put
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in place is because the the red snapper
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is a perfect example of why the
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regulations
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>> on one fish can affect other fish.
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>> Exactly. And they they work they work
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great, you know what I mean? But they
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never lessen the rules. So even when
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their law and even when their moratorum
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works beautifully and everybody's
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screaming, "Hey, there's more red
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snapper. They're bigger than we've ever
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seen. There's more of them. Can we keep
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any?" They say no.
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>> Yeah. They're too scared to let it go.
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>> That trickles down like like Scamp
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grouper went down to one per person. It
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this will probably be my lifetime of
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fishing before Scamp grouper ever goes
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greater than one per person. Just like
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in your lifetime, right?
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>> Red snapper went down. You you you know
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you I'm not saying you won't see it, but
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you can sum it up. I can sum it up like
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this. They started the regulation and
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it's either 1990 or 1991.
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>> And that's what 36 years ago.
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>> 36 years ago. They haven't worked and
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they haven't changed.
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>> They they haven't they haven't backed
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them off. The the regulations work
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beautifully. You know, they there's a
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snapper population there like nobody's
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ever seen before, but they they have
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>> and it just needs to be gradually let
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back in to where it holds.
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>> It's it's a kneejerk. It's it's a
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knee-jerk. Hey, we're closing it. And
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then they go, "Oh, there's been way too
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many for 15 years now. Kneejerk. Hey,
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we're opening it wide open. Five per
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person. No size limit." Whatever. It's
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like one There just needs to be
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>> Yeah. Well, you without the politics
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that we've had recently, do you think
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that they would
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>> The hardest The hardest thing is when
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they put moratoriums on this that you
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can't catch this, you're not allowed to
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catch that. What does it do? It puts
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twice the pressure
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>> on on the other like sea bass. Now,
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they're trying to knock down sea bass.
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You know what I mean? It's it's just
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it's like a trickle down. I I can I can
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only imagine with the population growth
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of what we feel like that the snappers
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have done how aggressive they are and
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this is kind of what I was leading into
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is how aggressive they are. How they're
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not taking away from all the other
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species.
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>> Oh, you telling me they're out on the
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reefs eating little baby sea bass?
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>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Not eating
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sea bass or eating or eating the fish
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that you know the grouper group those
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other fish would eat. That is my biggest
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concern is that you let one
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>> super aggressive fish run rampant and it
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>> it's a predator.
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>> It becomes a it becomes a problem in and
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of itself. And that's I think that's
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also something I don't really don't
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think that the uh that same Noah gets
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under figured out is the fact that like
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you start piddling with one and messing
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with one. You got to kind of look at
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everything in this as a whole. But uh
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>> there's no homeostasis in in the ocean.
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>> Their their data is really good. Don't
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get me wrong. I went to the MREP
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conference. You know, I know all about
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their data. It's great, but it doesn't
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show the I don't know what the right
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word would be, but the it doesn't show
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the whole picture. They get these little
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snippets of data from here and there
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>> and they go, "Oh, there's this many
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here." And my my biggest fight the
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entire time is that give that regulation
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to the states because our fishery here
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is different from Charleston.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Let alone here to Key West. and and the
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South Atlantic Fisheries Management
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Council is responsible for North
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Carolina to Florida, the entire East
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Coast.
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>> Yes, this is very true.
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>> And you know, if they wanted to do a
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moratorium, it's great. Go back and look
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at the data after 10 years. Okay, how
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many fish have caught? And that that's
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where it comes to people that are
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captains that have to report their
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stuff. They can take that data
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>> or the ones that are catching them all
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the time and can tell you
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>> and if they want to continue with a
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quote unquote limit. Okay, let's do a
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poundage. If there's Yeah.
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>> Through through the South Atlantic
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Fishery, you can catch 20,000 pounds.
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>> I think that's kind of how they're doing
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it right now is is
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>> And then after that, that's it.
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>> The problem with that is they only have
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reporting for charter captains or
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commercial fishermen. They have no
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reporting on the recreational. So, it's
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a total guess. You know what? And I'm
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not saying in any way, shape, or form
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that recreational fisherman should have
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to report. I think it's a hassle and
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it's a headache and it's really
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aggravating
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>> to me that that I feel like
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>> it should be a deal if they're taking
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this much data from commercial boats.
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Yeah.
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>> Then they should have to balance it by
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having if so what I'm saying like if
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they're getting data from 30 commercial
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boats that and say charter boats I'm
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just throwing a number out there. Then
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they should also have to get data from
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30 recreational.
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>> Yeah. But I don't want to put the curse
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on the recreational fishermen like we
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have to do with vessel reports every
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day. You know what I like I don't want
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to put that on anybody, but their guess
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that they come up with and say, "Oh,
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well, the recreational sector kept SE
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sector has kept, you know, 200,000 lb is
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literally just off of somebody's head
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sitting in an office somewhere that says
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what they did on the ramp."
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>> Yeah. Well, that's something that's
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something I kind of wanted to make
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mention to is with this reporting
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requirements, you know, being a
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recreational fisherman or being a
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sportsman in fishing shouldn't be a
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privilege. It should be a right. You
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know what I mean? That is a right for us
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to harvest
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>> these resources, right? And that that
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right to me, I'm very seemingly a bit of
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a constitutionalist when it comes to
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having your rights.
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>> Reporting to me is is something that
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would possibly in my mind violate your
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your fourth, fifth amendment right to to
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no search and seizure. You know what I
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mean?
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>> Completely integrated with that. And I
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think we shouldn't have to do it.
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>> Exactly. to be honest with you, we are
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fully compliant when it comes to you
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want to come and check us, check us if
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you want to set up a voluntary program
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to like put some of that data in there
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or finally they're starting I'm starting
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to see a few more observers go on rides.
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That's the only thing I'm really proud
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of is that they're actually starting to
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put some observers. You can generally
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tell without us having to have data for
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every single trip that we run. You can
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get a general average by just sitting in
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an observer out, you know, for a certain
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amount of time and seeing that you go
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out and catch this number of this many
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fish in this one place. Like tells you
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something.
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>> I signed up twice for that observer
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program. Yeah.
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>> I didn't get picked either of the time.
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I think it's because of name.
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>> Yeah.
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>> But I'm not saying I was going to be
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mean, [laughter] but every time we
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caught a red snapper on that boat, it
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was going to be a
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>> Wow, another one of those endangered,
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overfished, [laughter]
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non-existent. You know, it was there was
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going to be a point proven.
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>> Melvin and I were off short last week
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with a guest and Melvin's like, "Hey
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man, you might want to count your lucky
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stars and go play the lottery." Dude
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caught a pinky. [laughter]
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>> That was like That's one That's one of
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them there.
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Yeah. Now, now we're now we're catching
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them like snapper. They just keep
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getting bigger. Every time you go, you
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find a little bed of pinkies. They're
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faking this big now. You know where they
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>> Now they're even out in a 100 fathoms.
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>> They're they're everywhere. Never caught
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them before. 80 90 fathoms. Pinkies are
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a whole different ball game. Snapper,
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red snapper. You can catch red snapper.
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You can squeak a couple gags out if
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you're willing to crank long enough. You
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know, you get on pinkies, that's all you
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going to catch.
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>> That's red porgi.
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>> Red por.
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>> Red pory. Yeah. Yep.
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>> So, so Melvin, let me ask you this.
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>> Silver snapper or pinkies?
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>> What? What you got, buddy? Let's let's
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just take the past year or so with your
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experiences offshore fishing because of
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the leash that's been put on with you
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targeting red snapper. What is the next
00:18:35.280 --> 00:18:37.270
best option? What do you feel like
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you're now having to I'm not going to
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say overtarget but shift your focus to
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because you have to count out the red.
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What do you feel like? Don't say scout.
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Don't say scamp. [laughter]
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don't want to take it away from us. So
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that that's a very good point because I
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was going to ask him before Melvin
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answers, you know, we talked about how
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aggressive these fish are, but at the
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end of the day as charter guides, you
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know, we're supposed to be providers and
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if we can't if you start taking away
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certain things that we can provide, then
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we have
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>> the scope is narrow. There's there's an
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entire you just open a can of worms.
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There's an entire with increasing fuel
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cost, increasing cost of insurance,
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motors, and everything. It gets to the
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point where you spend $2,000 to go
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offshore and everything you catch you
00:19:25.760 --> 00:19:27.029
can't keep. You know, that's that's what
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it's what has it done for you?
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>> It'd be different if they wasn't there.
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But it's ridiculous when you're sitting
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there six people on the boat and
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everybody's throwing a fish back.
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Throwing a fish back. Throwing a fish
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back. Throwing a fish. And it becomes a
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job to go find something that you can
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keep. And you have to have a lawyer on
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the boat to figure out whether you were
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allowed to keep that one or not, you
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know? [laughter] And it's not like
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because you have to go somewhere else to
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find the fire because the snapper
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[laughter]
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>> It's because the snapper's not letting
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you
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>> get to the [laughter] other get they're
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they're there. It's not that there's a
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lack of the other fish. It's just a
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snapper so aggressive you can't catch
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them.
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>> So, Captain Melvin,
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>> yeah, back when I was getting at Austin
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got on his [laughter]
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high horse again about these wonderful
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snappers.
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>> This is a touchy subject.
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>> And uh but yeah, what is it for your
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customers? I What are you having to do?
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Are you having to hit more places and do
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more things or what?
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>> Yeah, absolutely. Like on half days, I
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mean, it it's catching us pushing into
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deeper water, longer runs, just like
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Austin said, and it's just putting more
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stress on everything because I instantly
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like if I got a half day and, you know,
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to answer Captain Caleb's deal, I
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instantly start thinking in my head,
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what what is the most opportunity we got
00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:38.789
to get these people on fish? And
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obviously, it's grunts, porgis,
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>> ringtails.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. fight through the ringtails,
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find sea bass. But our king micro bites
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been
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>> Oh, yes. You know,
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>> down too.
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>> What started out in the 10 mile range
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that we used to be able to kind of
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buckle up some decent stuff is now
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>> fishing 28 miles on a half day. I mean,
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it's it is it does tax you after a
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while, but I mean,
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>> what fish do you feel like you've
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replaced? As in most targeted now,
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>> just as a whole, I know that's a a very
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loaded question
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>> prop. I mean, realistically, I've been I
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really been trying to concentrate on
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like the trigger fish game.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Just because they I mean, in shallow,
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they're fight so hard and
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>> you know, the charter guest don't never
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know what they got. It's kind of a
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change of pace.
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>> Trigger fish will be down to one per
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person.
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>> Yeah, I love trigger fish.
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>> And even those trigger fish though that
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that you that you've been catching
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lately been 7 lbs plus.
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>> Yeah,
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>> we've had some hub caps.
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Thank you so much. Let's get back to the
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chaos. Nice. Nice. So, definitely it it
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has changed the way we have to fish
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things and have put more pressure on
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other things because we can't keep that
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one, you know, that one like you said a
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one 20 plus pound red snapper would
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>> But it's not like that one is all you're
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catching.
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>> No, it's not. But I'm just saying
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>> at least one of the 20 that you caught.
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At least they can keep one if they call.
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>> Don't Don't get me wrong. I'm not asking
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for it to be buck wild in the 80s again.
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Keep however many you want. I mean, make
00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:40.950
it one per boat per day. You catch a 25
00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:43.590
pounder, you slam them in. We're off to
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a great start. Let's go find something.
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>> I think it should be at least one per
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person.
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>> One per person is nice. Starting small,
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you know, up to six.
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>> Uh, yes. And that's where I was just
00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:54.310
about to say is I would like to
00:22:54.320 --> 00:22:56.950
interject that situation. what's out
00:22:56.960 --> 00:22:57.750
there
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>> is
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>> I do think that there should be a boat
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limit on it because one per person is
00:23:03.360 --> 00:23:04.310
nice,
00:23:04.320 --> 00:23:07.510
>> but even six to me on a boat is is a
00:23:07.520 --> 00:23:08.870
lot, especially when you get those 20
00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:11.430
plus pounders when you can put pressure
00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:13.590
on some other things. The thing I worry
00:23:13.600 --> 00:23:16.710
about is we have multiack boats. You got
00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:19.430
boats with 12 to 112.
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>> Yep.
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You're just going to have to somebody's
00:23:21.919 --> 00:23:23.190
going to sit down and bite.
00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:24.630
>> That's another flaw with the rules
00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:26.230
because they both fall under the same
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set of rules.
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>> You know, if you have a multi-passure
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:30.390
boat, you're going to have to limit it
00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:30.710
to
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>> a boat that comes in with six.
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>> You're going to have a boat that comes
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in with 100.
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>> Yeah. You have to be really careful with
00:23:36.320 --> 00:23:37.590
the boat limit though because look at
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the gags. You know, you you get all the
00:23:39.679 --> 00:23:41.590
way down to two per boat and then and
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then they go, "Oh, we you know, we
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didn't catch our quota. You know, we
00:23:45.280 --> 00:23:46.549
have to shorten it." And then you end up
00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:48.230
with a month and a month and a half long
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season. You mentioned a little bit about
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this having a lawyer on the boat to try
00:23:51.520 --> 00:23:53.270
to try to figure out these regulations.
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It is very tough because you got this at
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this size, this at that bag. Oh, here's
00:23:57.280 --> 00:23:58.789
your grouper aggregate, you got your
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:01.590
this aggregate, you got your that. It
00:24:01.600 --> 00:24:03.990
does seem very complicated, but now that
00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:05.430
we're talking about this a little bit, I
00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:07.590
know that Florida has a little bit more
00:24:07.600 --> 00:24:09.190
aggregate where it comes to like
00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:10.630
bundling things together. So,
00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:11.830
>> yeah, they went to the 10 fish
00:24:11.840 --> 00:24:12.549
aggregate.
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>> Yes.
00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:14.630
>> Do you per person?
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:16.549
>> Yes. Do you feel like that's a good
00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:20.230
option for us as well when it comes to
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:21.510
especially when it comes to charter
00:24:21.520 --> 00:24:24.070
fishing? Because it would be nice to
00:24:24.080 --> 00:24:26.070
have like we want everybody to go home
00:24:26.080 --> 00:24:27.590
with something, right?
00:24:27.600 --> 00:24:31.110
>> But obviously if we kept 20 snapper
00:24:31.120 --> 00:24:33.750
would be or just say we kept six snapper
00:24:33.760 --> 00:24:34.870
with six people in the boat.
00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.190
>> It takes a variety out of the stock.
00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:38.789
It's not taking all of one.
00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:40.789
>> Yeah. Do you think that that would be
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:42.950
more of a fairy or you think it should
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:43.830
just kind of
00:24:43.840 --> 00:24:45.430
>> I I don't agree with the 10 fish
00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:47.110
aggregate. I I can't remember exactly
00:24:47.120 --> 00:24:49.029
what the regulations are, but I heard
00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:51.110
somebody explain it and it seemed very
00:24:51.120 --> 00:24:53.269
very skewed and and the other fact of
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:54.950
the matter is it's it's a per person
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:56.470
aggregate. So, if you're on a if you're
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on a private boat and you've caught your
00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:00.470
whatever it is, say say your two trigger
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:02.310
fish, you have to sit down and stop
00:25:02.320 --> 00:25:03.909
fishing till everybody else on the boat
00:25:03.919 --> 00:25:05.750
has caught their two trigger fish. you
00:25:05.760 --> 00:25:07.510
you were not allowed to count towards
00:25:07.520 --> 00:25:08.230
somebody else's
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>> or share
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:11.110
>> or share. You know what I mean?
00:25:11.120 --> 00:25:13.190
>> How do you regulate that sometimes?
00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:13.669
>> Yeah.
00:25:13.679 --> 00:25:16.310
>> And then then you got to be the not only
00:25:16.320 --> 00:25:18.149
a captain or a mate, you got to be the
00:25:18.159 --> 00:25:18.950
fish police. So
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:20.149
>> you have to be the fish police. You know
00:25:20.159 --> 00:25:21.430
what I mean? I think everything should
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:23.190
have its own individual individual
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:25.029
limits. You know, you get your, you
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:26.710
know, whatever. And then when you put it
00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:28.549
into a 10 fish aggregate, it just gets
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:29.750
even more complicated.
00:25:29.760 --> 00:25:31.269
>> Yeah. Because you can have oh 10 fish
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:32.630
but then you can only have two of these
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:34.390
and one of these and three of this one
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:36.070
but no more than one of this one and
00:25:36.080 --> 00:25:37.669
make sure this is only one of these per
00:25:37.679 --> 00:25:39.990
boat and then you got this. So yeah I
00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:41.669
remember the one time we caught three
00:25:41.679 --> 00:25:43.269
Kitty Mitchells at one time and it was
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:44.310
one per boat
00:25:44.320 --> 00:25:45.110
>> on the head.
00:25:45.120 --> 00:25:46.230
>> Oh my god that was
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:48.630
>> I just had to make a rule on the head.
00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:50.310
>> Don't even get me started with the snowy
00:25:50.320 --> 00:25:50.630
grouper.
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:51.590
>> Yeah, the snowies.
00:25:51.600 --> 00:25:52.789
>> Yeah, that's another one. You think
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:54.789
you're on the snapper roll?
00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:56.950
>> That's ridiculous on the snowy groupers
00:25:56.960 --> 00:25:59.350
recreational. The guys commercially can
00:25:59.360 --> 00:26:02.390
keep 200 lb. Recreational, one per boat.
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:03.430
>> One per. Yeah,
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:04.549
>> that's that's the other problem with
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:06.230
snappers. They they can still commercial
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:07.909
fish them. I know it's not a big I know
00:26:07.919 --> 00:26:09.350
it's not a big limit. Yeah.
00:26:09.360 --> 00:26:10.710
>> But the commercial side with the
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:12.390
lobbyist is part of the reason that it
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:13.990
stays so small because it keeps the
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:15.110
price high at the snapper.
00:26:15.120 --> 00:26:16.950
>> And this is coming the old man's had a
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:18.230
commercial background. I grew up with
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:19.990
commercial background. Like I can see
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:21.430
both sides of the coins because
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:23.750
commercial fishing is a way that old man
00:26:23.760 --> 00:26:25.350
made his living growing, you know,
00:26:25.360 --> 00:26:28.149
getting into the fishing game and I've,
00:26:28.159 --> 00:26:29.269
you know, dabbled in the commercial
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.830
fishing. It is a way to make a living.
00:26:31.840 --> 00:26:33.350
>> Why the hell are they fighting so hard
00:26:33.360 --> 00:26:34.789
for 75 pounds?
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:36.710
>> But I do understand the fact that like,
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:39.269
hey, it's just as much they get nothing
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:41.510
>> of a resource. It's just as much of a
00:26:41.520 --> 00:26:44.230
right of resource as it is for you as it
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:45.110
is for me.
00:26:45.120 --> 00:26:47.110
>> And that's it should be spread across
00:26:47.120 --> 00:26:48.230
>> spread across. And and that's
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:49.269
>> I agree with that 100%.
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:50.230
>> That's that's what I
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.070
>> Yeah. It's it's just and I and that's
00:26:52.080 --> 00:26:54.070
where it comes to when they start saying
00:26:54.080 --> 00:26:57.269
again not my not my you know horse or
00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.909
saddle but North Carolina. It's open for
00:26:59.919 --> 00:27:01.830
commercial for flounder but it's not
00:27:01.840 --> 00:27:03.669
over for recreational for flounder.
00:27:03.679 --> 00:27:05.669
>> Gag season here open for commercial
00:27:05.679 --> 00:27:07.350
while it's closed recreationally. I
00:27:07.360 --> 00:27:08.630
think that's completely wrong. I think
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:10.390
you should both have the same shot at it
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:12.149
the same time. You know,
00:27:12.159 --> 00:27:14.149
>> and and I I understand that that it
00:27:14.159 --> 00:27:16.070
takes more fish for the commercial guys
00:27:16.080 --> 00:27:17.909
to make what they need, but what they
00:27:17.919 --> 00:27:20.070
need to start doing is lobbying why more
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of our commercial fish don't stay here
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and they go out of country and we import
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more fish from other places when it
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should be the other way around. The
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commercial guys should get more money
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for their fish.
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>> Absolutely.
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>> You know what I mean? So, that's what
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they need to really fight for.
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>> That's a whole another can of worms.
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>> We'll talk about that one episode.
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[laughter] But when it comes to the red
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snapper, man, what ultimately do you
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think you think now with this this is an
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experimental permit from the 9th of
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October to the 22nd of October, three
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days of which are federally open for
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basically anyone with a federal permit
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or a recreational fisherman. But after
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those three days, you have to have a
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special
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>> exempted fishing permit
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>> exe exempted fishing permit from the
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DNR. If you are a charter guide, if you
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are a charter guide, you have had to
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have had your federal permit at the end
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of the previous year or you have to
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personally get your own with your
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saltwater recreational permit. Your own
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personal permit to catch your one red
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snapper
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>> lawyer.
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>> Exactly.
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>> I need a lawyer.
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>> Are you confused?
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>> I need a lawyer
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>> because he just explained it perfectly
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and and I'm confused and I know what the
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rules are. You know what I mean? It's
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like [laughter]
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So, that's where we're at. Do you think
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we're moving in the right direction?
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>> Do you want me to say
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>> I tell you how it feels?
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>> Do you want me to say what I think based
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on previous experiences or do you think
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what I hope?
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>> How about an abbreviated version of
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[laughter] it so we don't get
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long-winded again?
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>> I hope that we catch a pile of red
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snapper, everybody reports them, and
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they have some slow retraction of the
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moratorum.
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>> Yeah.
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>> What I think is going to happen,
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nothing.
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>> There'll be a bunch of data goes to some
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office somewhere. somebody looks at it
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and goes, "Keep it closed." And maybe
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four days next year
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>> and then then they're going to look and
00:29:07.600 --> 00:29:09.110
be like, "Oh, we gave y'all an
00:29:09.120 --> 00:29:11.269
opportunity and be glad you did."
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>> We're going to be we're going to be back
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:13.830
telling the charter guests how lucky
00:29:13.840 --> 00:29:15.430
they are next year of, "Hey, you caught
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.110
the world's most endangered fish."
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>> Buy yourself a lottery ticket.
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>> I was about to say, how do you do that?
00:29:19.600 --> 00:29:21.909
If they give us two two uh two days next
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year, how how much should we charge for
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.990
those two days of charter fishing?
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>> $4,000. [laughter]
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>> We're just going to run multiple four
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:31.669
hours at $2,000 a piece. You run out,
00:29:31.679 --> 00:29:34.070
run 20 miles, catch two fish, run 20
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miles.
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>> Hey Joe, you might get to go offshore
00:29:35.919 --> 00:29:37.909
next year. [laughter]
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>> It's just it's and it's ironic. I I just
00:29:40.159 --> 00:29:41.830
pulled up the forecast. This is at
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Merles Inlet Jetties.
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>> Oh, the starting day. Yeah.
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:48.630
>> Saturday morning. It's uh 6 foot every
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six seconds at the jetties.
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>> What color is your screen?
00:29:52.399 --> 00:29:54.070
>> Huh? What color is your screen? Red.
00:29:54.080 --> 00:29:55.990
>> It's all red. It's It's [laughter]
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.830
almost magenta. That's how you know it's
00:29:57.840 --> 00:29:59.430
really bad. And that's at the that's at
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the
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>> Ain't even rough, Austin. Ain't even
00:30:01.120 --> 00:30:01.430
rough.
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>> You guys, you guys want to go red
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:03.669
snapper fishing another night?
00:30:03.679 --> 00:30:05.830
>> Hey, Melvin Melvin wants to go. We got a
00:30:05.840 --> 00:30:07.029
chart guest calling up there.
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:07.430
>> Yeah,
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>> about to book a charter trip right now.
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Snapper, here we go,
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>> guys. Uh, I know it's very difficult and
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:15.029
you know
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:16.630
>> those probably have a lot of comments to
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:18.230
talk about this down in the comments
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.310
below or on our Facebook or lesser
00:30:20.320 --> 00:30:22.070
social media. You know, we fight the
00:30:22.080 --> 00:30:23.590
good fight as far as trying to keep
00:30:23.600 --> 00:30:25.029
things rolling for our customers, for
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:27.029
ourselves. It's it's a lot of up and
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:29.750
down. We understand that there has to be
00:30:29.760 --> 00:30:32.230
some rules, but we also do not
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.070
understand why certain things have to be
00:30:34.080 --> 00:30:35.990
a certain way. You let us know what you
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:36.310
what
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>> Wait, before we go, yeah,
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>> I do want to thank the state and DNR for
00:30:39.760 --> 00:30:41.110
what they've done. They've they
00:30:41.120 --> 00:30:42.710
absolutely I feel like we have not given
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:44.149
them the credit that is
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>> we have gotten some very good
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.909
representation lately to make this fight
00:30:47.919 --> 00:30:50.630
for us and it really does show and we do
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:52.549
appreciate that that guys. I know it's
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:53.830
going to be a little controversial, but
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leave your comments below, man. Enjoy
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.669
the red snapper season while we got it.
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Hopefully catch you some. We'll catch
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