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As AI reshapes the future of work, what if the goal isn’t simply to achieve greater success, but to create more joy?
In this conversation, Kevin Surace, author of The Joy-Success Cycle and a pioneer in voice AI, challenges conventional thinking about automation, productivity, and fulfillment. Drawing on decades of experience building groundbreaking technology and earning nearly 100 patents, he explores why AI should replace joyless work, not human purpose and how curiosity, resilience, and joy can help us navigate a rapidly changing world.
Surace also shares the deeply personal experiences that reshaped his understanding of joy, including his wife’s struggle with alcohol addiction and the limits of trying to engineer solutions to life’s hardest challenges.
The result is a conversation about more than AI. It’s about rethinking success, finding meaning in uncertainty, and building a future where technology gives people more room to do the things that make us human.
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