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Speaker 1: Welcome to Built Different.
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Speaker 2: I'm Zach Clinton, your host, and each week I come to you exclusively on the Life Audio podcast network. I'm proud to partner with Life Audio and bring you entertaining, life changing, family friendly podcasts for a new generation.
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Speaker 1: I Built Different.
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Speaker 2: Our mission is to provide encouragement, hope and challenge to help push you past your limits and reach goals you never thought possible. Colossians two, verse six says, So then, just as you received Christ Jesus's Lord, continue to live your lives in him, rooted and built up in him.
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Speaker 1: Amen. Now let's roll.
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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome back into the Built Different podcast. As always, I'll be your host today, doctor Zach Clinton. And something that some of our audience may not know about me is that over the last several years, I was afforded an incredible opportunity to serve with the Liberty Athletics Athletic Department, And the big thing was I get to serve as a counselor and someone who kind of focuses in on peak performance and motivational maybe sport and performance psychology. And something that was afforded to me this past spring was working a little bit more closely with the Liberty University football program. Along the way, I got introduced to our very special guests today. Have you ever met someone that you walk into the room and there's just this sense of energy and charisma and somebody that is incredibly devoted to what God has called them to do, but also I believe somebody that is really committed to making people better, especially those that God has entrusted to his surrounding. That's the guy that I get the opportunity of sitting across from today. He's the director of Football Strain think Conditioning for the Liberty University football program. His name is Coach Chad Scott. Chad, my friend, thank you so much for coming and joining me.
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Speaker 3: Todaank you, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it and looking forward to it.
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Speaker 2: I mean when I say that you are somebody that brings this passion, this energy, somebody that really does focus on bettering and developing those around you. Every room I've ever been in with you, right, I walk out feeling lighter, feeling encouraged, feeling motivated, feeling sharpened. So I'm grateful for the impact man, that you have on my life, directly and indirectly, for the lives of countless people Chris Terry and more that you continue to pour into an invest in. So again, grateful for you. I know you're coming off with something pretty cool though. I know you're just getting back from the Greenbrier with the New York Giants training camp.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, New York Giants so talked us a little bit. It was awesome. It was really cool.
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Speaker 4: I took a couple of my kids up there, Yes, and former player of mine Isaiah likely plays for the Giants now, and another one of the coaches, Jordan Donald. We had an opportunity to go up and watch the Giants compete and had an opportunity to meet Jamis Winston and Calvin Austin and and you know, and really more than anything to be able to watch the NFL guys in their craft, you know, and a lot of fans, of course, are watching who's making the plays and differ things. I'm watching what the guys are like between the reps, you know, and how they're warming up. And then but the thing that made me most happy than anything was after the practice was over with, had an opportunity to see and talk to Isaiah.
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Speaker 3: You know. And but what people didn't see.
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Speaker 4: He stood out there for easily forty five minutes after practice and he must have signed over a hundred balls, taking pictures with little kids, and it's just a guy that's just loves the game of football, and he's doing it for the right reasons, and he's really trying to pour back. And as a coach who saw that young man as a young man and seeing him now as a man and a husband, it's really cool to watch that development. And ultimately that's why I do what I do, and I take great honor and getting to be able to watch young men, whether they play in the NFL or whether they you know, just go out and there they work in a real job, I say, you know, or and their great husbands and things.
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Speaker 3: That's really cool to see.
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Speaker 2: Isaiah is the really big, tall, lengthy tight end right very much.
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Speaker 1: So he came from Baltimore. Is that great?
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Speaker 3: He did?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he so we we went to the Ravens and saw him in the Ravens And now the journey's in New York. So and I told Isaiah, I'm gonna follow him wherever he goes, you know. And and he's awesome and he's been, uh, he's been supportive, but throughout my entire year, you know, with my wife, and it's been really cool to cool to see that. But yeah, I mean, it was an unbelievable the whole the whole thing, the whole day.
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Speaker 3: It was I didn't want it to end, you know, but we had a great time. It was awesome.
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Speaker 1: Special moments.
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Speaker 5: It really is.
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Speaker 2: Not only as a coach, like you said, it's got to be rewarding to be able to see an athlete rise to that, but also very humbling to think that you had a small part just in his journey along the way to develop him into the man, the leader, the player that he now is and continues to be. But also the special time with your family, Man, those are exciting moments. I love anywhere my mom or my dad or I go whenever they're around, right, My mom and Dad are always trying to push me to go somewhere, to like a game of some sorts because they are almost like vicariously reliving those playing days when I was coming up through the system, and they miss traveling, they miss the energy, all the different things, the crowds, they miss it. So whenever we get the chance to go to a game together, we go. And so we were just in Colorado and my dad text me and was like, Hey, let's get some tickets to the Colorado Rockies game. And going together and spending that cherished time, there's nothing like it. But Coach, before we dive into your story your testimony today, I just wanted to talk a little bit about this year's Liberty University football team.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about strength and conditioning.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about all that stuff, and then we'll dive in your story in testimony. But knowing that the season is right around the corner, I know there's an energy, there's a buzz on the mountain here at Liberty. People are so excited to get back to football season, to get back to the games. You guys are opening up here in a couple of weeks against James Madison University, which has really become an in state rival. There's national attention on the game. I think it's going to be televised. It's a big opportunity for Liberty Football in the program to in a sense, get back on track. Last year wasn't really the year that you guys were hoping for. Let's just be honest, right, probably a little disappointing. But this is a year where we're not just bouncing back. It's like, let's write our own story. Speak to just the energy the expectation for this year's team.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know what's exciting about being at Liberty is the energy that comes from the fans. The support that we get is second to none. And that's that's top down, from our athletic director, of president, everyone, and it's really really cool.
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Speaker 3: It's an all in mentality.
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Speaker 4: And I'm talking and you've seen it firsthand and across all fronts with all sports, and they're bought into what we're trying to do on the football side of things. And our guys are extremely competitive, and that's one thing I've noticed. They're very humble and Ego has left the building a long time ago, and we have a lot of talent, but more in anything. We have a lot of really good young men in that program, you know, and and the time that.
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Speaker 3: You spent with them in January was amazing, you know, and.
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Speaker 1: All the grate opportunity, oh man.
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Speaker 4: And I tell you when we when we went through our summer program and in camp and different things like that, it always brought me back to the story that you shared with them about the Farmer's hand. And you know, I said, I can sleep through a storm, and I tell people that, and that's that's.
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Speaker 3: Kind of where I am with our guys. You know.
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Speaker 4: It's you know, we can sleep through the storm because the preparation has been done and the guys have put the work in. You know, we've we've crossed the t's and dotted the a's and done it. We what things that we needed to do, you know, and it wasn't always pretty. We had to we had to do some soul searching and and we had to do a lot of hard work to get there, you know.
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Speaker 3: But the uh, the core of the team has been really special.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to stop this right there and jump in to say, you're listening to build different I'm Zach Clinton. We need to break for a brief message from our sponsors. I'll be back with our guests to keep the conversation flowing. Right after this, you're listening to life audio. You're the guy who's in the trenches with these guys every single day, and let's be honest, you have to bring a different level of energy and charisma because the things that you're doing with them, the strength training, the conditioning, especially the running. I saw you guys just rain the mountain and carried some chains and did some group work together, Like that's hard, that's suffering, and I'm just wondering. You guys have a word for the year, and it's standard. Speak to from a coach's perspective, again, you guys are all in. You guys are all moving in the same direction. It doesn't matter if it's strength and conditioning, to nutrition, to mental health, champion performance, coaching staff, everybody has to be all in on this one word. Speak to the significance of that word if you would standard.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So coach Chawell came up with the word standard, and I think ultimately that that just goes down to what are your non negotiables and who are you not just in the facility, but who are you twenty four hours a day when no one's watching, you know. And with standard, there can't be an ego with standard, you know. And that standard, you know, has to ring true to the people around you, and you have to hold people to that standard. And again, going back to your non negotiables, what are those? If you want to be some and I and I've told our guys, you know, give up what you want in a moment for something you want down the road, you know, and then that's our instant gratification. As we as humans, we automatically we want something right in them, right in them, you know, right when we want it, you know. But is that what's going to be best for us? And that's kind of where our standard lies. If our standard is, hey we're going to get some rest or we're not going to do this, or we're not going to do that, or hey, I'm getting four hours of mobility every day or whatever it is, and we're going.
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Speaker 3: To hold true to those every day.
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Speaker 4: And it might not be it might not be fun, it might be something we want to do in the moment, but it's going to pay off down the road for us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm interested because you mentioned that a lot of the guys have checked their ego at the door, right, that's an expectation, that's his standard. I know for you guys at the Strength and Additioning department, that's a standard for the Liberty University football program.
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Speaker 1: That's just what it's going to be.
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Speaker 2: But I'm interested from a strength and additioning perspective with NIL, with transfer portal, with guys who maybe are coming in with a little bit of entitlement. This is not just Liberty, right, this is all departments, all sports.
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Speaker 1: Have you seen a change in that?
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Speaker 2: And then I would ask if you have seen a change, how do you make sure that these guys are coming in. They're punching the clock every day, they're doing what's required to the very best of their ability. They're upholding a standard, they're setting it. They are the standard. How do you make sure that you're getting the best out of guys who almost sometimes come to a school like Liberty, it's not a Power five school. They're kind of viewing it as a stepping stone to get to where they want to be, and they might overlook the opportunity.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think first off, it starts with the relationships and meeting them where they're at right, And when we're getting kids, might I might get a guy that's going to come in.
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Speaker 3: He might be with me for nine months, he might be with me for four years.
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Speaker 4: Who knows, right, But the relationship starts the minities on campus and meeting him again where he's at, learning his story, learn where he came from, and understanding kind of who he is off the field.
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Speaker 3: And where he wants to go. You know, what are your goals?
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Speaker 4: What do you want to be in life? Where do you want to take this? And if you want to if your thing is.
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Speaker 3: Hey, I want to go to the NF, oh well, how can I help you get there? You know? And then also is consistency every single day.
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Speaker 4: You know, myself and my four other guys, Chris Terry, Corey Miller, Tessa Uha and Jacob Sanie, they do an amazing job of being consistent in every single thing.
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Speaker 3: So whether you're the number one starter or.
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Speaker 4: Whether you're a guy that just showed up and you're fighting for a roster spot, you're getting treated the same, you know, And that goes back to when I played. You know, my strength coach treated me that way as well, and I think with that with relationships and being consistent and regardless of what's happening outside of the building. Me personally in my personal life, when I walk through that door, I'm the same coach got every single day period. You know.
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Speaker 2: It's funny as you talk about relationships and consistency, you brought up your former strength coach and I know a little bit about your story. I know Liberty covered a kind of a story on you where there was sharing how you got into coaching, just your background, the backwater behind your story. And I'm just thinking about a guy who's coming through the ranks.
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Speaker 1: I heard, coach.
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Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, you played college football Eastern Kentucky.
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Speaker 1: You played for a legend of a coach.
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Speaker 2: You thought you were going to go, you know, in this law school kind of career, but then it gets segmented and kind of redirected in a completely different way to where you find yourself as a lead director of a strength and conditioning football program today. Help us understand, like, go through some of those details, unpack your story.
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Speaker 1: How in the world did you get here?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's it's a wild road. I'll tell ye.
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Speaker 4: So I uh, I'm I'm, I'm five to nine, maybe five to.
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Speaker 3: Ten on a kid day, you know. And and I always wanted to.
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Speaker 4: Play Division one football, and I was and I was told that I was too short, too slow, I was a heavy set kid, you know, I was too weak, I was all the different things right, and I wasn't going to ever do it. And so I kind of had a chip on my shoulder, you know, Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna do I'm gonna find my way into somewhere. I had the opportunity to walk on at Eastern Kentucky University and and and really just kind of, you know, just kind of forged my way in that walk on mentality and and kind of worked my way through the system. But always I was really fortunate with our our football coaches and our strength coaches treated me for the person of who I was as a man, not for the football player that I could have been, and in what I was doing on and off the field, and it was really cool. And you know, and and my strength coach at the time, his name was Mike Kent, and h and Coach Kent was instrumental and to be in helping me along the way. He just came up to me one day and said, Hey, I think you'd be a good strength coach. And at the time, you know, he was our first strength coach at university, so I had no idea what a strength coach really even was, you know. And and then so but I had this idea. I was a political science major. I had an idea that I wanted to go to law school. Really, I think my mom was kind of my mom and dad were pushing me in, you know, and and and then so you know, but this this idea of being in a weight room and and really kind of being able to affect, you know, people at the ground level of who they are and really kind of to the core of their heart and just pour into them. That really kind of just resonated with me. Well, then coach Kent left, and then Jeff Benard came in, another strength coach, and it was the same thing.
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Speaker 3: You know, I was.
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Speaker 4: I was a guy that was fourth to third fourth string on a depth chart. You know, I played special teams here and there. You know, but if we but if I played, we were either getting beat really bad or we were winning really good.
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Speaker 3: You know. So you know, it was kind of one of.
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Speaker 4: Those I you know, but I was really really involved in a weight room and I loved it. And so then kind of fast forward my boss at the time, John Michael Davis, he's the director at East Kentucky Now. He gave me an opportunity to come and volunteer, and he said, you know what, I don't know if I'm gonna have every position because he was the only strength coach, and I showed up. I volunteered for about nine months, and nine months you know, after that, I got a GA job, and GA job kind of rolled into assistant job, and I'm grateful for every opportunity John Michael gave me, and he and I grew close, and then I got the head job at Charleston Southern in ty twenty twelve, and then twenty thirteen coach Chadwell came along and the rest is history. So I've been real fortunate enough to take it to learn under a guy like coach Chadwell.
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Speaker 2: I was gonna ask I can tell that you guys are very close when he speaks of you, every time I've had the opportunity of connecting with him, he just brings up this idea that like you're one of his guys, you're one of his brothers in a sense, speak to what that relationship has been like as it's been forged at different schools, different levels, different universities, different records.
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Speaker 1: Speak that if you would.
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Speaker 4: You know, I credit every single bit of my kind of coaching philosophy and the way that I speak into young men to Coach Chadwell, because you know, when Coach Chadwell and I met in twenty thirteen, you know, it was it was just transformational and the way that he was pouring into guys and the way that he would really speak life in the guys and you know, through core values of a program and non negotiables and really training guys, you know, to be great husbands and great fathers. One day, man, I loved every bit of that, and I just kind of sat back and just watched him, you know, kind of build those programs and build up you know, Charleston, Southern and Coastal Carolina and really just kind of anything that I could.
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Speaker 3: Do to help him along the way, I've been all up for it.
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Speaker 2: So love coach. Grateful for every opportunit unity he's entrusted to me as well. He's just a good man. He's an incredible leader. Continuing to stand with him each and every day. But Coach, I'm just thinking about you, and I'm thinking about the hundreds knowing football programs though, because there's literally about one hundred and some guys on every single team and every single roster, the thousands of guys that you've invested in over the years, that's a pretty probably humbling thought to think of that you've had that great of an impact and opportunity to make an impact on that many lives. It goes back to the Billy Graham quote right that a coach can impact more people in a given year than most people can in a lifetime. I on one hundred percent believe that because I can think back to countless coaches that I've had, even one of my strength coaches named Shelton Stevens here at Liberty who was the Olympic performance like coach there for a long time. He's had a profound impact on my life and still does to this day. We still text, we still reach out. I'm supposed to jump on a call with him today, even just a solid man. But I'm just thinking about you, and I know that you see guys in some of their hardest moments. Again, you see them in the most difficult moments maybe of their day. And I'm wondering what separates the best from the rest, What separates good leaders from poor ones?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think with that, I think it's it's stripping away your own ego and putting putting your kind of your goals aside, or your wishes aside, or whatever you want to look at it, and just pouring into the people around you. I mean, God put us on this earth to build relationships with people and spread his kingdom. And I draw so much joy and excitement from watching young men pull values of things that we've taught them along the way and just kind of grow. And you see that that just as they mature from they're eighteen years old till however old, and we've stayed in contact with them, and you get invited to their weddings, and you get invited to, you know, a baby shower, you get invited to a birthday party, and you know, those to me, are you know you want to win Obviously, you want to win rings and all the different things, but man, those wedding invitations or those phone calls and those text messages or second you know, and it's and I think you know, when you look at leadership, it's it's leading by example and it's also zero ego, and then whatever you can do to lift people up around you, then you can find a way to do it.
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Speaker 2: It's so interesting because there's a lot of different styles of coaches, right. There's like the recruiter coaches who are pretty hard nosed, right, they have this is my way or the highway. You have to fit into my system. Then there's some of the relational coaches where it's like, man, I want to invest in this person. I want to attune myself to his or her strengths or gifts. I want to make sure that I get the best out of them. Both can win. Let's just be honest with you. There, both can win. Both can do a really good job at a program, but it's recognizing which one has the greater opportunity for impact because what you're doing, you're not just investing in somebody's physical strength. You're trying to help them grow in confidence and resilience and mental toughness and all of these different things. I'm just thinking about a coach out there listening today, Yeah, who saw that you're going to be on the pod? They're like man, he's had a profound impact on my life, right, I know he's having a profound impact on count lives.
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Speaker 1: I want to know, for that coach.
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Speaker 2: Out there today who doesn't really know why they're getting into this, what's the purpose in your mind behind coaching?
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Speaker 3: To begin with?
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Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you our you know, when I was with coach Chadwell, you know, we were given the book three D Coach and and and I really kind of dived into that. And you know, and we had coaches, it's amongst everybody, and since the coach is it and and our purpose was to capture the hearts and minds of our players while investing in their lives. And I think that speaks to the truth of everything, you know, And and i'd see and I've and I've given a talk about this before. When you know, and it was the three most important muscles of the body. And everybody thinks biceps, bench press, all the different things, but and but truthfully, the three most important muscles in the body, it's the heart, it's the mind, and it's the tongue. And by training those three muscles, we everything else falls in line. And and really pouring into their heart every single day, and then we can transform in their brain negative thoughts into positive thoughts.
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Speaker 3: And when you do.
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Speaker 4: That, that talk that comes out, that what comes out of their tongue, what comes out of their mouth, it speaks positivity into people. And really, if we can master those three muscles, then we can be really successful, you know. And kind of when we look at coaching and kind of going back to leadership, one of the the most just humbling, amazing things that I've been a part of when a handful of years ago, it was with coach Chadwell, and it was right around Eastern time, and Coach Chadwell was giving our team a talk and just kind of a discussion on washing feet and how Jesus washed the feet of everyone around in the servants and stuff like that, and Coach Chewell had us get up on stage as coaches, and Coach Chadwell washed all of the coaches feet in front of the entire team, and then in turn, we had the opportunity when the players came up, all the entire coaching staff washed.
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Speaker 3: The feet of all of our players.
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Speaker 4: And you talk about something that really bonds together, and I mean, ultimately, I think Jesus is the ultimate leader. You know, want to be able to take that and pour that into the guys. That's an experience that you know last a lifetime.
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Speaker 1: Man.
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Speaker 2: I think there's two binding forces right to really help unite teams. And it's service so sacrificing for one another, doing those types of things where you're humbling yourself and honoring people, which is really esteeming people above yourself. Then the other one, coach is suffering. It's being able to get in the trenches to do the hard things together. I'm just even thinking about what you guys just did here recently, when you sent those guys up there in those groups, carrying those change carrying each other on the back all the way up Liberty Mountain. And some people would look at that and say, oh, that's stupid, right, like why would you do that? You're believing them susceptible to injury or whatever they want to say. But man, I love that stuff because I think there's nothing more bonding ever in my mind than the suffering that I've gone through in my life with some of the brothers that have been closest to me. I'll never forget one day it was a Friday and we had this our strength coach Shelton Stevens. He said, if anybody he skips a rep, we got twenty burpies on the spot. Well, man, this one kid skipped four reps, coach, and they were supposed to other guys were supposed to be holding him accountable, And all of a sudden we had eighty burpies on the spot. If you didn't hit your chest, you started over, right, So we got to forty something. Somebody did hit his chest. Start over, thirty something, start over, twenty something, start over. So at this point we've already done close to one hundred burpies. Then we had eighty more once that kid got kicked out of the weight route, so that we do the other eighty. Then after that we had a Friday finisher. And I'm not gonna lie to you, that is one of the most memorable days of my athletic career. I honestly had forgotten some of the accolades, some of the best moments, but I remember that day because I remember how hard it was. But I remember I had Maddy Allen and Josh Barrick by my side, and I remember us doing those burpies together, holding each other accountable, picking each other up, lifting us up when they needed help, Like that was the biggest thing that is etched in my mind, probably will be for as long as I can remember it. So I'm just interested to you. Why do you think it's moments like that, it's suffering that helps bring and strengthen relationships to most Yeah, I think it's.
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Speaker 3: I think it kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier. It captures the heart.
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Speaker 4: I mean that's I mean, if I asked you, you know, the most important game you ever won, what was the score of that? You probably won't remember, Like you said, you'll remember that, and you remember what you felt like afterwards. And then more than anything, you have the confidence of man, if we did that.
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Speaker 3: You know I can do anything, you know. And I think that.
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Speaker 4: Too, together with your brothers and your teammates, that that forges the fire to where you know, we've kind of come through this thing together, and we came out of it together, and anything beyond that, as long as we stay together, were going to be okay. And I think the I call it controlled suffering, shared suffering.
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Speaker 3: Right, and it's like no task is too big.
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Speaker 4: We can make it through anything together, you know, Individually we're gonna fall, but together as a team will force through and we'll be fine.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 4: And again we're talking about building guys beyond athletic accolades, beyond that, talking about life.
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Speaker 3: You know, and I said this this past week.
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Speaker 4: You know, life is hard, like life is one of the hardest things you're going to do, if not the hardest. Football is hard, Okay, and football and life both if you if you are a weak person and if you are an ego driven person that relies only on yourself, you will fail at some point in life. The strongest guy needs somebody. And then through that and through those experiences, through those sufferings, they bond together and and really and also it helps you to fight for one another. You know, when your purpose is bigger than the actual event that's going on, then you got something special and really kind of dive into that purpose. And when your purpose is the people around you, it kind of puts you in an extra gear when things start getting hard.
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Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, I hosted a little private event for Clear twenty eight, which is an agency in the NASCAR space, and I had you speak into some of the driver's lives and really the agency's leadership lives. And I'm just thinking about you said a quote that has stuck with me ever since he said it a couple of years back, and I want you to share that quote and then expound upon it. But you said, every single day you wake up, you're giving two things. A chance, yeah, and a choice. Take us into that, because that's what I think of when I think of like perseverance, when I think of waking up in the midst of adversity, like you're giving two options, give it to us.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So no, that's what I'm saying everybody, And that's that's where that's where I.
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Speaker 3: Think fear and doubt and the enemy can can.
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Speaker 4: Really grab a hold because people are worried about the past or you get caught up worried about the future. Ultimately, all we have is the present, and when we wake up in the morning, that's exactly what we have. The second our eyes open up, man, we have a chance. We have a chance to do something really good. But we also have the opportunity to have a choice.
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Speaker 3: God make God gives us.
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Speaker 4: Free will, and then it's what we do with those twenty four hours, you know. And I even tell the guys Motivation is a daily decision, you know, And that's something that you got to understand every single day. The second your your feet hit the ground, you got to be motivated to do things. And motivation carries a lot of different fronts as far as what you're doing, but it is a daily decision that needs to be made.
00:26:07
Speaker 3: You know.
00:26:07
Speaker 4: And again, I love that, and I love I love the choice and chance because we all have the same every single day. And then when we wake up, regardless of where we came from, regardless of where we're going, that's where we're pretty much all equals when we wake up in the morning, that's right.
00:26:22
Speaker 2: Oftentimes, we don't give up on a dream, on an outcome, on an aspiration because we don't believe in it. We give up because we don't believe in us. And it's that recognition that, man, every day you wake up, you're giving a chance. Today could be the day, Today will be the day. And then you make that choice where every day I'm going to give everything i have. I'm going to do what's required then some to the very best of my ability to become the man or the woman that God has called me to be.
00:26:45
Speaker 1: Every day.
00:26:46
Speaker 2: I love that a chance and a choice, coach. I'm just thinking about somebody out there today. And they know your strength conditioning coach. They know that you understand kinesiology, that you understand the body, You understand all of these things, and there may be somebody that hasn't optimized their potential, maybe their health. I was just thinking yesterday I was on a run, and I hate to run. I just be really you, I've always hated to run, right, But I was on a run, and as I was thinking about it, I got to think about the things that almost make me happy often times are very hollow m h Right. They're like the easy options, right. But the things that make you healthy and the things that make you holy are often hard. And it's recognizing that it's the devotion when you realize, like what you love is often what you'll be disciplined to. Devotion turns into discipline, discipline turns into desire. There's somebody out there today who's thinking, I want to get back on track. I want to start living that healthy life. I just don't even know where to start, Like I don't even know practical habits. I don't know what to eat, I don't know how to sleep I don't know how to do any of these things. What's just some basic knowledge that you would give that person a day to get back on track.
00:27:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think first off, start start right away. Quit putting it off till the next day. I mean, just immediately start. You can't, you know, everybody says, well, I'm gonna wait till New Year's I'm gonna wait till the first of the month. What's wrong with the day you have, you know, So just start and then just start walking, and that's it.
00:28:08
Speaker 3: Just walk.
00:28:08
Speaker 4: You don't need to you know, guys, that's the problem with people think that you have to do you know, CrossFit or high rocks or all these different super high intensity things.
00:28:17
Speaker 3: Just walk. Just walk.
00:28:18
Speaker 4: And then when you eat, when you sit there and you look at eating and assuming you don't have any allergies, the easiest thing. If you can't kill it and you can't grow it, don't eat it, you know, And that's an easy thing.
00:28:28
Speaker 3: You're there, you know what I mean. You know, I'm not great at that because I like the tortilla chips.
00:28:32
Speaker 5: And things like that that go with it, you know, But that's as honest as it gets, you know, fill your plate up with things that you can either kill or grow and you'll be just fine with that, right and then sleep and hydrate.
00:28:44
Speaker 3: Hydration is huge. I think a lot of people, you.
00:28:47
Speaker 4: Know, in today's world, they're overcaffeinated and under hydrated.
00:28:51
Speaker 3: And that's the thing.
00:28:53
Speaker 4: And the world of energy drinks and coffees and listen, I love all that more.
00:28:56
Speaker 3: I use it myself.
00:28:57
Speaker 4: But at the same time, people don't drink enough water, you know, and then sleep and recover, you know, And I think that's the thing. People are so quick, we as humans are almost we want to kind of take some shortcuts, you know. And in the world of ozempics and things like that that are out there, you know, really the that's that's short term and that's short term gratification, and it's something that's not long lasting, you know.
00:29:22
Speaker 3: Building those habits is what's going to last, you know.
00:29:24
Speaker 4: And so just walk, you know, walk thirty minutes a day, just walk outside, you know.
00:29:30
Speaker 3: I like, you know, I got this trick a long time ago.
00:29:32
Speaker 2: It was just ten minute walks after you eat and sing.
00:29:36
Speaker 4: And it's great. Yes, it works digestion, it works everything. But then also it helps you stack walks along the way you know, and so you know, nobody wants to really go outside and walk forty minutes, you know, But if I go out four times throughout the day and ten minutes stretches, that's pretty easy, you know. And then so it's just kind of little small gains along the way, and those small games.
00:29:53
Speaker 3: Become big gains.
00:29:54
Speaker 1: Love you said, just start, you know, that's the idea.
00:29:58
Speaker 2: Just start and then find some of these people practical habits that you can begin to incorporate inside of your day. You can give ten minutes to something.
00:30:05
Speaker 1: What's that.
00:30:06
Speaker 2: There's the called the rule of one hundred that if you do one thing a chosen discipline for eighteen minutes a day, that you will be better than ninety five percent of the population at the get at the end of the year. Because it stacks up to be one hundred hours. People will say, right, eighteen minutes, that's it, Like that's easy. But it's eighteen minutes every day. That's the thing that people begin to fail at is that they don't have enough time. They're too stressed out right, Oh, I got to focus on this instead of that. And I'll just say this, show me somebody who's more disciplined than you, and I'll show you somebody who has a greater purpose than you. I remember hearing this one guy. I think his name is Jeremy Stalkner. He is the CEO of the Mighty Oaks Foundation, which is a veteran run foundation to help veterans who are struggling with PTSD and mental health challenges. And he ran twenty two marathons in twenty two days, crazy feet, like, I'm just like man who comes up with this stuff. But he did it because twenty two veterans die by suicide every day, so it was suicide awareness and suicide prevention based work. And he said he was talking to me and he mentioned this idea that a lot of people would actually begin to ask me, like how in the world did you do it? Or they would give him these grandiose statements of man, you're just extraordinary, right, You're just way more disciplined than I am.
00:31:23
Speaker 1: You're just a disciplined person. I'm not.
00:31:25
Speaker 2: And he was saying like, I'm not. I'm no better than you. I'm not any more disciplined than you. I just have a greater purpose than you. Everything that woke me up out of bed and the first alarm went off, I got up, I tied my shoes, I put my clothes on, and I went on my run again and again and again because I was doing it for something bigger than myself. Speak to the person out there today who now they've heard the practical strategies, but I'm gonna be real, they're going to have a battle right with disciplining themselves to do it every day. Speak to the purpose that needs to be bigger than them.
00:31:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's what you said, is like the purpose in itself and the sacrifice and the people around you, whatever that is.
00:32:00
Speaker 3: You know, So I'll and I'll.
00:32:02
Speaker 4: Talk to you about, like our football team, our core values, right, And I think that's my question to people, what are your core values? And you know, and going back to standard your non negotiables, if you do not have as a man, if you do not have core values, then you're going to fall. It's like building the house on sand, because hard times are gonna come, it's going to wash away. But when you have those and purpose is one of our values, so we're our our core values are competition, discipline, accountability, and purpose. And when those are all tied in that that purpose piece, you know, I always tell people, you know, with purpose is your why, your.
00:32:36
Speaker 3: Foundation of why you do what you do.
00:32:38
Speaker 4: And I think why I could be as kind of like a fancy word there for a while, but ultimately it's it's the whole idea. If you're trying to lose weight because you're a father and you have children, right, and my deep rooted purpose are my kids.
00:32:51
Speaker 3: For me, it's my wife and my kids. That's why I do what I do. And so I.
00:32:55
Speaker 4: Don't mind waking up early. I don't mind staying to work a little later if I need to. I don't mind driving across town and being you know, kind of kind of worn down from that because my kids need me.
00:33:05
Speaker 3: That is my purpose. I'll drive three hours if I need to, you know.
00:33:09
Speaker 4: And so when you have those deep rooted purposes and those core values and they keep you along and keep you moving, then you obviously you'll pain any goal that you want.
00:33:18
Speaker 1: You talked about your purpose being your family.
00:33:21
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to go there now, because there are moments in life, Coach, where your faith almost gets put on trial, like suffering comes. You get blindsided by life, you get ambushed and you could have never expected it, and then all of a sudden. Sometimes pain has a way of stacking on top of itself and it just gets harder and it looks a little bit more bleak, a little bit more dim. But it's being able to bring light in the midst of that that really matters most. The past year, year and a half, what we were just talking about before, he press record has been a tough go for you and your family.
00:33:52
Speaker 1: Take us into that if you would, Yeah.
00:33:54
Speaker 4: You know, It's it's crazy how life works, because if if I had talked to you in March of twenty twenty five, my attitude would have been completely different, or my perspective would have been different, I guess, you know, and and so kind of kind of give you a background of that. So in April of twenty twenty five, my younger brother, he's eight years younger than me, he he was diagnosed with stage four lymphoma and.
00:34:25
Speaker 3: Just kind of he had some things.
00:34:27
Speaker 4: He was sleeping, wasn't sleeping good, had some stomach issues and then kind of went in and the doctors pulled him in and said, you know, you have stage four, but we feel like you can we can keep going. But this is kind of what you know, he calls me, and I was in the weight room. I just got done with a group, you know. And and he was the first person that I have been closely connected to, you know, in that in my family when it came to something like that, and obviously as her younger brother, you know, it's a dagger to the heart, you know. No, you know, and he's he's lives and he lives in Kentucky. So it was one of those he would I couldn't do anything. I was just here, you know. And so I had an opportunity to back in his first chemote or second chemo treatment. It was in May, and I had opportunity to go to Kentucky and I told him, almost spend a few days with you and just kind of be around you, you know. And and that was just mind blowing in so many ways just to sit next to him. And he did, you know, he did his he did his five hour, six hour chemo treatment and then he went back went home. I was with him for a week and he might have been up, he might have been awake maybe you know, ten hours the entire week, you know, And I told him, Hey, I'm just gonna sit next to you, you know, whatever you need me to do. I cleaned his house, we planted a tree in the backyard, and you really got opportunity to spend some time together, you know. And then kind of my wife at the time, everything was my wife had some issues that she was kind.
00:35:49
Speaker 3: Of struggling from a doctor's standpoint.
00:35:50
Speaker 4: But unfortunately during in June, I guess in June of that year. So month later, my wife's father passed away and that was really hard on her. And so we went to Ohio and kind of went through the process of of of that and then came back. Well August first of two thousand and twenty.
00:36:11
Speaker 3: Five, my uh, my wife.
00:36:13
Speaker 4: Went in to get a surgery done on her stomach and they found that she had stage one b ovarian cancer. And so we got us brought us back into the doctor's office and they told us, hey, you know you have you have an aggressive cancer, and you know, we're gonna we did the surgery, we got everything out, We feel good about it, but there was still cancer kind of in the wash of your belly, and we recommend chemo, you know.
00:36:38
Speaker 3: And of course that was just.
00:36:40
Speaker 4: A dagger to the heart, you know, and as a as a woman who you know, we have three children. You know, we're getting ready start football practice. We're right in the middle of the thickest part of the year, you know, in that and you know, as a man, I'm struggling to try to figure out, how how can I be a husband, how can I be a father? How can I be you know, all the things I need to be at work, and just kind of where where are we at? You know, And and then so that was tough. And and then you know, she went through the whole fall, you know, and and one of the one of the hardest moments I think was she had real long, curly, beautiful brown hair, was when it started falling out, you know. And there's some honor and there's some dignity, and you know, and I try to explain to her, you know, she's a tough woman, and naturally it hurt.
00:37:29
Speaker 3: When she when she shaved her head, you know. But and through the.
00:37:33
Speaker 4: Course of that, we'll seeing people in the in the cancer treatment getting getting chemos and radiation and things like that kind of there's there's an honor and a dignity that comes with with those people that are that are fighting with everything they have, you know, and they might some of those people might they might it might take them thirty minutes to go six steps, you know, but to watch them fight through that is extremely humbling, you know. And then so she goes through through the basically throughout the all last season, you know, she had six chemo treatments spread out throughout three months. And then in November, you know, right before the week of Thanksgiving, her mom unfortunately had a brain aneurysm, and then she passed like a couple months later, and her mom was.
00:38:18
Speaker 3: Like her rock.
00:38:19
Speaker 4: And her mom was with us through this whole cancer journey, you know, and and and the whole time through this, you know, the phrase and I kept saying it to my kids, and I kept saying it to her was God is good, you.
00:38:31
Speaker 3: Know, and and and finding light in this.
00:38:34
Speaker 4: And I didn't know kind of how to handle my brother's cancer. But what I found out through that was I was equipped to help out my wife a lot more because of what I was able to share with my brother, and well I was and he was able to help her.
00:38:50
Speaker 3: You know.
00:38:51
Speaker 4: And then you know, kind of fast forward till now, it's been really you know, we've been really good.
00:38:56
Speaker 3: My brother is on the mend he's he's in remission. Uh, my wife is.
00:39:01
Speaker 4: They did a scan a couple of weeks ago and she's cancer free now there so praise God, you know. And and uh and obviously you know, her mother and her father were huge in just her life, more in her mom.
00:39:15
Speaker 3: Her mom was kind of her rock, you know. And and the way that she.
00:39:19
Speaker 4: Just kind of honors her mom and she honors just her journey is you.
00:39:24
Speaker 3: Know, I tip my hat to her.
00:39:26
Speaker 4: I mean, she's she's one of the strongest women that I know, and she has she's birthed three children. And I tell you I couldn't I wouldn't be able to take ten percent.
00:39:36
Speaker 3: Of what she went through. And all I could do was just try to be her rock.
00:39:40
Speaker 4: And you know, and I think that goes back to when when I we got married twenty years ago, it was in sickness and in health whatever, whatever it is the world do you want me to do? This is we're here together, and we're going to go to the.
00:39:51
Speaker 1: End exactly right that commitment.
00:39:54
Speaker 2: And I tell you, we're going to continue to pray for you and your bride and your brother and just make sure that obviously covered I hope and pray that the audience would do the same. But you know, it's been amazing to watch from afar your guys's journey, to see the strength, the perseverance, the proclamations of faith. I think of job right where it's naked. I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return? Blessed be the name of the Lord. God is good. But I'm thinking of somebody out there today, coach, who's in the midst of a trial and a tribulation, and those words feel empty to them.
00:40:27
Speaker 3: I do.
00:40:27
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I can say God is good, but I don't know if I really believe that right now because my circumstances aren't changing. What would you say to that person about whether it's the practice of remembrance. It sounds like what you did a lot of is the practice of reflection, going back, looking back and being able to say, like, Wow, the Lord was setting us up for this season. The Lord was preparing us to walk through this, but he never left our side. Helps somebody in a moment where those words maybe do feel empty to them to understand the weight behind them.
00:40:57
Speaker 3: I think the.
00:40:58
Speaker 4: Biggest thing is people are watching and you don't know that. And when you're in that situation, you can give people strength without interacting with them.
00:41:09
Speaker 3: I watched my wife get up.
00:41:11
Speaker 4: From a chair and walk to the other side of the room and influence other people to be able to do that the same.
00:41:17
Speaker 3: And in the amount.
00:41:18
Speaker 4: Of people that I've had are players, former players, like you asked me earlier, you know, as a coach, what's one of the greatest things that you can have as far as you know?
00:41:27
Speaker 3: And I was talking about weddings and things like.
00:41:29
Speaker 4: That, But the amount of players that said, praying for you, coach, Hey, texting me, how's your wife doing? You know, going back to Isaiah likely text me a coach, if you need anything, feel free to call me anytime. You know that in itself, when I would talk to guys and I had an opportunity to show them what real.
00:41:49
Speaker 3: Trials look like, not just up there.
00:41:52
Speaker 4: It's not just things like that, right, It's not empty, It's not empty things like I'm living this in front of you, right.
00:41:59
Speaker 3: And it kind of goes back to everything.
00:42:01
Speaker 4: God gave me an opportunity to basically live that out, and you know, and and gave our family that opportunity to live that out, and it was one of those going back motivations of daily decision.
00:42:14
Speaker 3: We had to wake up, you know, we had the choice, We had the chance every single day, you know.
00:42:19
Speaker 4: And so when I say God is Good and people were saying, well, that's empty, okay, then truly sit in on that a little bit and and kind of try to remove yourself from the situation and look around you, because it's not about you. It's about It's about God's work and God's light being shown in the trial. And it was never about me, you know. And and my wife and my brother are unbelievable warriors, but it's not about them either. It's about God, and it's about it's about them, you know, showing God through their trials and through things.
00:42:54
Speaker 2: That's the concept of James Chapter one, where it's as considerate pure joy whenever you face trials or tribulations in this life, for you know that the testing of your faith goes on to produce perseverance. So let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature, complete, lacking nothing.
00:43:09
Speaker 1: The idea.
00:43:10
Speaker 2: I think when people hear those words God is Good, it's almost like they feel as if if they proclaim that that they're saying, thank you for the suffering, right, thank you for the trial, thank you for the cancer. And that's not what we're saying, or we're saying, though, is thank you God for allowing this thing, this thing that is very bad, that is very hard. Death is not good, there's no good that can be found in it. But God, thank you that you are the great restore the great repurposer, who can take something so broken, so depraved, but turn it into something so beautiful. God makes, He creates goodness in spite of brokenness. And I think that's what you're saying to somebody out there today. It's like, Hey, if you're up against a trial or a tribulation, we don't just thank God because of the pain, we think, and because of what he can do in and through it.
00:43:59
Speaker 1: And that's what he's.
00:44:00
Speaker 2: Done and in through your story and in through your wife's testimony. And I'm just thinking about as a man coach like going through that watching her, I can tell that you are deeply inspired and moved by just the woman that she is, the strength, the character, the servant's heart that she has to go and impact lives. As you mentioned, I just believe that there are five Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and you, and most people don't read the first four. It's the recognition that she lived this example out every day. But for you, I can only imagine as a man, when we have the pressure to provide and protect and to fix problems, when we can't do anything about it, it almost feels like there are so many things that are outside of our control. But yet, as a coach, you preach every day, control the controllables, Control the controllables. But then how do you not ruminate on all of the things outside of your control and the uncertainty and the lack of clarity that was up against you, and it was really pushing your back against the wall. I'd love to hear, what were you able to control?
00:45:00
Speaker 4: Yeah? That's the hard part is because as a coach you are wired in the same itinerary.
00:45:05
Speaker 3: You're wired to be able.
00:45:06
Speaker 4: You know, with me being a strength coach, sets and reps and percentages and everything right, and so being able to deal with trying to things outside of my control.
00:45:15
Speaker 3: I had to release that to God. I had to give that up.
00:45:18
Speaker 4: That was I had to I had to take a step back and and I quickly realized through this that not only I was a husband, but I was also a father. I was a father to two sons who were going to have a wife one day. I was a father to a daughter who was going to have a husband one day. And then how I helped my wife, How I served my wife, you know, how she even served me through it, How we together forged through this fire. We were examples for our children. And and one of the coolest things, and God really kind of ripped my heart open when you know, we were not even maybe a month or so ago.
00:45:56
Speaker 3: I was.
00:45:56
Speaker 4: I went up to my daughter's room and I'm cleaning her bed and I moved open, like I kind of moved one of her bed sheets, and there was a Bible in her bed, and honestly, I didn't even know she had that Bible. And I opened it up and there was a bunch of different notes. She was reading John, she was highlighting, and through that alone.
00:46:18
Speaker 3: She had a Bible that I did not buy.
00:46:20
Speaker 4: She had notes and she was doing that, and I was blown away. And then my oldest son, I walked downstairs one day and he lives in the basement, and you know, sometimes kids go in the basement and they play video games for hours and you never see him again. But uh, you know, he's sixteen years old. And I go down there and I hear him talking and giggling and doing different things, and I kind of easdrop on the on the door for a second and I opened it up, and he's on the phone, and he's got a Bible and he's on the phone and he's been doing a Bible study with four other guys that you know for six weeks and they and they've been working through the book, the Book of Matthew and doing things like that. We talked about that and then the same thing with my son, my middle son. He he wants to go to he was wanting to go to church and then praise God on Easter Sunday, all three of them, Uh, Pastor PJ baptized them.
00:47:09
Speaker 3: At Hope co.
00:47:10
Speaker 4: And it was and so and then to see all of that in the darkest of times that we had, and to watch God work through my children and really see my children.
00:47:20
Speaker 3: Grow in their walk with the Lord, it's unbelievable.
00:47:23
Speaker 4: And I and so, you know, to sometimes we got to step away and try to stop controlling things and just let God you know, Jesus take the wheel, you know, and let let God have it. And and it's God's plans always.
00:47:36
Speaker 3: Better than ours.
00:47:37
Speaker 2: It is I mentioned in a previous conversation, I was listening to Pastor Tyler Stayton and he was talking about why waiting is such an important part of the spiritual journey or of the process of sanctification, and he said, because waiting is where faith is actually required. And so like, as you're waiting, there might be somebody out there today he feels like they're waiting.
00:47:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:47:58
Speaker 1: I love what you said.
00:47:59
Speaker 2: Is the challenge that never underestimate the impact that you can have, especially in the midst of your suffering, because people are waiting to see how you will respond. Not when you're sipping a pinike lota on the beach, but when life is knocked you completely out and you feel like the wind is just taking right out of your sails, Like, how will you respond then? And with you, guys, I love the mindset of It's almost first Thessalonians four eleven to twelve, Like you made it your aim or ambition to live a quiet life. You just took responsibility for the things that were in front of you and that's how you win the respective outsiders, unbelievers when they look at your life and they're like, man, he's going through the thickest of things. They look at Beth. She's going through some of the hardest things in her life. But yet she's still proclaiming that God is good. She's still showing up for other people, she's still serving, she's still living in that way like there's something different, and I wonder what that is. That's what makes people explore the faith. And so I just I'm grateful coach, to you, guys, to your family for what you continue to do, for the impact that you've had. Is parents, even in the midst of this, I think that's a testament to a lot of parents. I've observed my mom and my dad there's some really hard times, continue to love well and continue to push through and persevere, and they continue to lean on God and hold on to hope in the midst of their suffering. And because of that, I really believe those were the moments that shaped my sister and I's faith way more than the moments of prosperity and the moments where things were good and we felt like we were on a mountaintop. Now there's a reason why the Puritans called it the valley of vision. That's where we got. The greatest vision of God was in the lowest of valleys. And so for you, coach, I'm grateful and I'm just wondering in this moment. We talked a lot about faith, we talked about perseverance. But my dad, I say this all the time on this podcast, so our audience is probably like, I know exactly what's coming right now. My dad told me when I was a kid, it's our moments of powerlessness that draw us closer to and reveal the character of God's heart the most. And I love asking this to every guest because no answer is the same. Who did God reveal himself to be in the midst of this past year and a half to you?
00:50:08
Speaker 4: You know, God's a loving God. He's a loving God, and he's a providing father. And and it's not my time, it's it's God's time. And and God never left our side, not once. And and as much as I wanted to kind of lean on the world and and try to and even in the hardest times, you know, just kind of breaking down. And I mean, and I've had those times I had to I had those hard, hard conversations. You know, God never failed and he never never left my side. And and like I said, here we are, you know, and we're still obviously we're not completely out of it. But at the same time, you know, God showed me, you know, his love through three children and uh that discovered discovered him and there and and you know in their walk and uh, he's just he's a loving father.
00:50:59
Speaker 3: And it's been amazing.
00:51:01
Speaker 1: Coach.
00:51:01
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, as we wrap up our time, I always love to leave the opportunity for our guests just to share one final closing word that maybe God has deposited in your spirit throughout our conversation today. For the person out there who maybe is just in a season of disappointment, they're discouraged, there's a lot of despair, they almost feel depleted by life and all of the things that continue to stack up one on top of another. What's the final word of hope, encouragement and motivation you want to leave with that person today?
00:51:31
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:51:31
Speaker 4: I think I think God uses broken people to share and spread his kingdom. And and there's no situation, there's there's nothing that.
00:51:40
Speaker 3: You can go through that you know that God can't.
00:51:44
Speaker 4: Walk you through and regardless of how your emotions feel, you going back to it. I mean every day you have the same We all have the same. We have a chance, and we have a choice. And when you when you lean on that and you're true to who you are and you put your ego to side, have your non negotiables, you know you're going to live.
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Speaker 3: A great life.
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Speaker 2: Coach, I'm excited just to see what guy's going to continue to do and in through your life and in through your leadership. Again, thank you for the impact you've had on me, you continue to have on me and countless others. I look forward to watching the Flames have a great year. What can we expect from the Flame train this year? Oh?
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Speaker 4: Great year, great year that we're really excited to.
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Speaker 2: Scott, thank you for your time today, Thanks for joining me. Thank you tall our audience here a bill different. I just wanted to say, if there's two things I want you to walk away with, it's number one, there's always a chance today could be your day. And number two, there's always a choice today will be your day. Make the choice every day. Continue to surrender, don't just demand things from God, depend on him each and every season of your life, and just watch what He will do, because again, if we really do believe that He is the God of Ephesians three twenty, then he can do exceedingly, abundantly more than we could ever ask, think, or imagine. Watch what God would do when you completely give your life to Him.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Built Different.
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Speaker 2: I'm Zach Clinton, your host, and each week I come to you exclusively on the Life Audio podcast network. I'm proud to partner with Life Audio and bring you entertaining, life changing, family friendly podcasts for a new generation.
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Speaker 1: I Built Different.
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Speaker 2: Our mission is to provide encouragement, hope and challenge to help push you past your limits and reach goals you never thought possible. Colossians two, verse six says, So then, just as you received Christ Jesus's Lord, continue to live your lives in him, rooted and built up in him.
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Speaker 1: Amen. Now let's roll.
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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome back into the Built Different podcast. As always, I'll be your host today, doctor Zach Clinton. And something that some of our audience may not know about me is that over the last several years, I was afforded an incredible opportunity to serve with the Liberty Athletics Athletic Department, And the big thing was I get to serve as a counselor and someone who kind of focuses in on peak performance and motivational maybe sport and performance psychology. And something that was afforded to me this past spring was working a little bit more closely with the Liberty University football program. Along the way, I got introduced to our very special guests today. Have you ever met someone that you walk into the room and there's just this sense of energy and charisma and somebody that is incredibly devoted to what God has called them to do, but also I believe somebody that is really committed to making people better, especially those that God has entrusted to his surrounding. That's the guy that I get the opportunity of sitting across from today. He's the director of Football Strain think Conditioning for the Liberty University football program. His name is Coach Chad Scott. Chad, my friend, thank you so much for coming and joining me.
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Speaker 3: Todaank you, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it and looking forward to it.
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Speaker 2: I mean when I say that you are somebody that brings this passion, this energy, somebody that really does focus on bettering and developing those around you. Every room I've ever been in with you, right, I walk out feeling lighter, feeling encouraged, feeling motivated, feeling sharpened. So I'm grateful for the impact man, that you have on my life, directly and indirectly, for the lives of countless people Chris Terry and more that you continue to pour into an invest in. So again, grateful for you. I know you're coming off with something pretty cool though. I know you're just getting back from the Greenbrier with the New York Giants training camp.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, New York Giants so talked us a little bit. It was awesome. It was really cool.
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Speaker 4: I took a couple of my kids up there, Yes, and former player of mine Isaiah likely plays for the Giants now, and another one of the coaches, Jordan Donald. We had an opportunity to go up and watch the Giants compete and had an opportunity to meet Jamis Winston and Calvin Austin and and you know, and really more than anything to be able to watch the NFL guys in their craft, you know, and a lot of fans, of course, are watching who's making the plays and differ things. I'm watching what the guys are like between the reps, you know, and how they're warming up. And then but the thing that made me most happy than anything was after the practice was over with, had an opportunity to see and talk to Isaiah.
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Speaker 3: You know. And but what people didn't see.
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Speaker 4: He stood out there for easily forty five minutes after practice and he must have signed over a hundred balls, taking pictures with little kids, and it's just a guy that's just loves the game of football, and he's doing it for the right reasons, and he's really trying to pour back. And as a coach who saw that young man as a young man and seeing him now as a man and a husband, it's really cool to watch that development. And ultimately that's why I do what I do, and I take great honor and getting to be able to watch young men, whether they play in the NFL or whether they you know, just go out and there they work in a real job, I say, you know, or and their great husbands and things.
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Speaker 3: That's really cool to see.
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Speaker 2: Isaiah is the really big, tall, lengthy tight end right very much.
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Speaker 1: So he came from Baltimore. Is that great?
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Speaker 3: He did?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he so we we went to the Ravens and saw him in the Ravens And now the journey's in New York. So and I told Isaiah, I'm gonna follow him wherever he goes, you know. And and he's awesome and he's been, uh, he's been supportive, but throughout my entire year, you know, with my wife, and it's been really cool to cool to see that. But yeah, I mean, it was an unbelievable the whole the whole thing, the whole day.
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Speaker 3: It was I didn't want it to end, you know, but we had a great time. It was awesome.
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Speaker 1: Special moments.
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Speaker 5: It really is.
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Speaker 2: Not only as a coach, like you said, it's got to be rewarding to be able to see an athlete rise to that, but also very humbling to think that you had a small part just in his journey along the way to develop him into the man, the leader, the player that he now is and continues to be. But also the special time with your family, Man, those are exciting moments. I love anywhere my mom or my dad or I go whenever they're around, right, My mom and Dad are always trying to push me to go somewhere, to like a game of some sorts because they are almost like vicariously reliving those playing days when I was coming up through the system, and they miss traveling, they miss the energy, all the different things, the crowds, they miss it. So whenever we get the chance to go to a game together, we go. And so we were just in Colorado and my dad text me and was like, Hey, let's get some tickets to the Colorado Rockies game. And going together and spending that cherished time, there's nothing like it. But Coach, before we dive into your story your testimony today, I just wanted to talk a little bit about this year's Liberty University football team.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about strength and conditioning.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about all that stuff, and then we'll dive in your story in testimony. But knowing that the season is right around the corner, I know there's an energy, there's a buzz on the mountain here at Liberty. People are so excited to get back to football season, to get back to the games. You guys are opening up here in a couple of weeks against James Madison University, which has really become an in state rival. There's national attention on the game. I think it's going to be televised. It's a big opportunity for Liberty Football in the program to in a sense, get back on track. Last year wasn't really the year that you guys were hoping for. Let's just be honest, right, probably a little disappointing. But this is a year where we're not just bouncing back. It's like, let's write our own story. Speak to just the energy the expectation for this year's team.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know what's exciting about being at Liberty is the energy that comes from the fans. The support that we get is second to none. And that's that's top down, from our athletic director, of president, everyone, and it's really really cool.
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Speaker 3: It's an all in mentality.
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Speaker 4: And I'm talking and you've seen it firsthand and across all fronts with all sports, and they're bought into what we're trying to do on the football side of things. And our guys are extremely competitive, and that's one thing I've noticed. They're very humble and Ego has left the building a long time ago, and we have a lot of talent, but more in anything. We have a lot of really good young men in that program, you know, and and the time that.
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Speaker 3: You spent with them in January was amazing, you know, and.
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Speaker 1: All the grate opportunity, oh man.
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Speaker 4: And I tell you when we when we went through our summer program and in camp and different things like that, it always brought me back to the story that you shared with them about the Farmer's hand. And you know, I said, I can sleep through a storm, and I tell people that, and that's that's.
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Speaker 3: Kind of where I am with our guys. You know.
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Speaker 4: It's you know, we can sleep through the storm because the preparation has been done and the guys have put the work in. You know, we've we've crossed the t's and dotted the a's and done it. We what things that we needed to do, you know, and it wasn't always pretty. We had to we had to do some soul searching and and we had to do a lot of hard work to get there, you know.
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Speaker 3: But the uh, the core of the team has been really special.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to stop this right there and jump in to say, you're listening to build different I'm Zach Clinton. We need to break for a brief message from our sponsors. I'll be back with our guests to keep the conversation flowing. Right after this, you're listening to life audio. You're the guy who's in the trenches with these guys every single day, and let's be honest, you have to bring a different level of energy and charisma because the things that you're doing with them, the strength training, the conditioning, especially the running. I saw you guys just rain the mountain and carried some chains and did some group work together, Like that's hard, that's suffering, and I'm just wondering. You guys have a word for the year, and it's standard. Speak to from a coach's perspective, again, you guys are all in. You guys are all moving in the same direction. It doesn't matter if it's strength and conditioning, to nutrition, to mental health, champion performance, coaching staff, everybody has to be all in on this one word. Speak to the significance of that word if you would standard.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So coach Chawell came up with the word standard, and I think ultimately that that just goes down to what are your non negotiables and who are you not just in the facility, but who are you twenty four hours a day when no one's watching, you know. And with standard, there can't be an ego with standard, you know. And that standard, you know, has to ring true to the people around you, and you have to hold people to that standard. And again, going back to your non negotiables, what are those? If you want to be some and I and I've told our guys, you know, give up what you want in a moment for something you want down the road, you know, and then that's our instant gratification. As we as humans, we automatically we want something right in them, right in them, you know, right when we want it, you know. But is that what's going to be best for us? And that's kind of where our standard lies. If our standard is, hey we're going to get some rest or we're not going to do this, or we're not going to do that, or hey, I'm getting four hours of mobility every day or whatever it is, and we're going.
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Speaker 3: To hold true to those every day.
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Speaker 4: And it might not be it might not be fun, it might be something we want to do in the moment, but it's going to pay off down the road for us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm interested because you mentioned that a lot of the guys have checked their ego at the door, right, that's an expectation, that's his standard. I know for you guys at the Strength and Additioning department, that's a standard for the Liberty University football program.
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Speaker 1: That's just what it's going to be.
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Speaker 2: But I'm interested from a strength and additioning perspective with NIL, with transfer portal, with guys who maybe are coming in with a little bit of entitlement. This is not just Liberty, right, this is all departments, all sports.
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Speaker 1: Have you seen a change in that?
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Speaker 2: And then I would ask if you have seen a change, how do you make sure that these guys are coming in. They're punching the clock every day, they're doing what's required to the very best of their ability. They're upholding a standard, they're setting it. They are the standard. How do you make sure that you're getting the best out of guys who almost sometimes come to a school like Liberty, it's not a Power five school. They're kind of viewing it as a stepping stone to get to where they want to be, and they might overlook the opportunity.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think first off, it starts with the relationships and meeting them where they're at right, And when we're getting kids, might I might get a guy that's going to come in.
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Speaker 3: He might be with me for nine months, he might be with me for four years.
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Speaker 4: Who knows, right, But the relationship starts the minities on campus and meeting him again where he's at, learning his story, learn where he came from, and understanding kind of who he is off the field.
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Speaker 3: And where he wants to go. You know, what are your goals?
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Speaker 4: What do you want to be in life? Where do you want to take this? And if you want to if your thing is.
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Speaker 3: Hey, I want to go to the NF, oh well, how can I help you get there? You know? And then also is consistency every single day.
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Speaker 4: You know, myself and my four other guys, Chris Terry, Corey Miller, Tessa Uha and Jacob Sanie, they do an amazing job of being consistent in every single thing.
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Speaker 3: So whether you're the number one starter or.
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Speaker 4: Whether you're a guy that just showed up and you're fighting for a roster spot, you're getting treated the same, you know, And that goes back to when I played. You know, my strength coach treated me that way as well, and I think with that with relationships and being consistent and regardless of what's happening outside of the building. Me personally in my personal life, when I walk through that door, I'm the same coach got every single day period. You know.
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Speaker 2: It's funny as you talk about relationships and consistency, you brought up your former strength coach and I know a little bit about your story. I know Liberty covered a kind of a story on you where there was sharing how you got into coaching, just your background, the backwater behind your story. And I'm just thinking about a guy who's coming through the ranks.
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Speaker 1: I heard, coach.
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Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, you played college football Eastern Kentucky.
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Speaker 1: You played for a legend of a coach.
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Speaker 2: You thought you were going to go, you know, in this law school kind of career, but then it gets segmented and kind of redirected in a completely different way to where you find yourself as a lead director of a strength and conditioning football program today. Help us understand, like, go through some of those details, unpack your story.
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Speaker 1: How in the world did you get here?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's it's a wild road. I'll tell ye.
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Speaker 4: So I uh, I'm I'm, I'm five to nine, maybe five to.
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Speaker 3: Ten on a kid day, you know. And and I always wanted to.
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Speaker 4: Play Division one football, and I was and I was told that I was too short, too slow, I was a heavy set kid, you know, I was too weak, I was all the different things right, and I wasn't going to ever do it. And so I kind of had a chip on my shoulder, you know, Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna do I'm gonna find my way into somewhere. I had the opportunity to walk on at Eastern Kentucky University and and and really just kind of, you know, just kind of forged my way in that walk on mentality and and kind of worked my way through the system. But always I was really fortunate with our our football coaches and our strength coaches treated me for the person of who I was as a man, not for the football player that I could have been, and in what I was doing on and off the field, and it was really cool. And you know, and and my strength coach at the time, his name was Mike Kent, and h and Coach Kent was instrumental and to be in helping me along the way. He just came up to me one day and said, Hey, I think you'd be a good strength coach. And at the time, you know, he was our first strength coach at university, so I had no idea what a strength coach really even was, you know. And and then so but I had this idea. I was a political science major. I had an idea that I wanted to go to law school. Really, I think my mom was kind of my mom and dad were pushing me in, you know, and and and then so you know, but this this idea of being in a weight room and and really kind of being able to affect, you know, people at the ground level of who they are and really kind of to the core of their heart and just pour into them. That really kind of just resonated with me. Well, then coach Kent left, and then Jeff Benard came in, another strength coach, and it was the same thing.
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Speaker 3: You know, I was.
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Speaker 4: I was a guy that was fourth to third fourth string on a depth chart. You know, I played special teams here and there. You know, but if we but if I played, we were either getting beat really bad or we were winning really good.
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Speaker 3: You know. So you know, it was kind of one of.
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Speaker 4: Those I you know, but I was really really involved in a weight room and I loved it. And so then kind of fast forward my boss at the time, John Michael Davis, he's the director at East Kentucky Now. He gave me an opportunity to come and volunteer, and he said, you know what, I don't know if I'm gonna have every position because he was the only strength coach, and I showed up. I volunteered for about nine months, and nine months you know, after that, I got a GA job, and GA job kind of rolled into assistant job, and I'm grateful for every opportunity John Michael gave me, and he and I grew close, and then I got the head job at Charleston Southern in ty twenty twelve, and then twenty thirteen coach Chadwell came along and the rest is history. So I've been real fortunate enough to take it to learn under a guy like coach Chadwell.
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Speaker 2: I was gonna ask I can tell that you guys are very close when he speaks of you, every time I've had the opportunity of connecting with him, he just brings up this idea that like you're one of his guys, you're one of his brothers in a sense, speak to what that relationship has been like as it's been forged at different schools, different levels, different universities, different records.
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Speaker 1: Speak that if you would.
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Speaker 4: You know, I credit every single bit of my kind of coaching philosophy and the way that I speak into young men to Coach Chadwell, because you know, when Coach Chadwell and I met in twenty thirteen, you know, it was it was just transformational and the way that he was pouring into guys and the way that he would really speak life in the guys and you know, through core values of a program and non negotiables and really training guys, you know, to be great husbands and great fathers. One day, man, I loved every bit of that, and I just kind of sat back and just watched him, you know, kind of build those programs and build up you know, Charleston, Southern and Coastal Carolina and really just kind of anything that I could.
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Speaker 3: Do to help him along the way, I've been all up for it.
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Speaker 2: So love coach. Grateful for every opportunit unity he's entrusted to me as well. He's just a good man. He's an incredible leader. Continuing to stand with him each and every day. But Coach, I'm just thinking about you, and I'm thinking about the hundreds knowing football programs though, because there's literally about one hundred and some guys on every single team and every single roster, the thousands of guys that you've invested in over the years, that's a pretty probably humbling thought to think of that you've had that great of an impact and opportunity to make an impact on that many lives. It goes back to the Billy Graham quote right that a coach can impact more people in a given year than most people can in a lifetime. I on one hundred percent believe that because I can think back to countless coaches that I've had, even one of my strength coaches named Shelton Stevens here at Liberty who was the Olympic performance like coach there for a long time. He's had a profound impact on my life and still does to this day. We still text, we still reach out. I'm supposed to jump on a call with him today, even just a solid man. But I'm just thinking about you, and I know that you see guys in some of their hardest moments. Again, you see them in the most difficult moments maybe of their day. And I'm wondering what separates the best from the rest, What separates good leaders from poor ones?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think with that, I think it's it's stripping away your own ego and putting putting your kind of your goals aside, or your wishes aside, or whatever you want to look at it, and just pouring into the people around you. I mean, God put us on this earth to build relationships with people and spread his kingdom. And I draw so much joy and excitement from watching young men pull values of things that we've taught them along the way and just kind of grow. And you see that that just as they mature from they're eighteen years old till however old, and we've stayed in contact with them, and you get invited to their weddings, and you get invited to, you know, a baby shower, you get invited to a birthday party, and you know, those to me, are you know you want to win Obviously, you want to win rings and all the different things, but man, those wedding invitations or those phone calls and those text messages or second you know, and it's and I think you know, when you look at leadership, it's it's leading by example and it's also zero ego, and then whatever you can do to lift people up around you, then you can find a way to do it.
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Speaker 2: It's so interesting because there's a lot of different styles of coaches, right. There's like the recruiter coaches who are pretty hard nosed, right, they have this is my way or the highway. You have to fit into my system. Then there's some of the relational coaches where it's like, man, I want to invest in this person. I want to attune myself to his or her strengths or gifts. I want to make sure that I get the best out of them. Both can win. Let's just be honest with you. There, both can win. Both can do a really good job at a program, but it's recognizing which one has the greater opportunity for impact because what you're doing, you're not just investing in somebody's physical strength. You're trying to help them grow in confidence and resilience and mental toughness and all of these different things. I'm just thinking about a coach out there listening today, Yeah, who saw that you're going to be on the pod? They're like man, he's had a profound impact on my life, right, I know he's having a profound impact on count lives.
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Speaker 1: I want to know, for that coach.
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Speaker 2: Out there today who doesn't really know why they're getting into this, what's the purpose in your mind behind coaching?
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Speaker 3: To begin with?
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Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you our you know, when I was with coach Chadwell, you know, we were given the book three D Coach and and and I really kind of dived into that. And you know, and we had coaches, it's amongst everybody, and since the coach is it and and our purpose was to capture the hearts and minds of our players while investing in their lives. And I think that speaks to the truth of everything, you know, And and i'd see and I've and I've given a talk about this before. When you know, and it was the three most important muscles of the body. And everybody thinks biceps, bench press, all the different things, but and but truthfully, the three most important muscles in the body, it's the heart, it's the mind, and it's the tongue. And by training those three muscles, we everything else falls in line. And and really pouring into their heart every single day, and then we can transform in their brain negative thoughts into positive thoughts.
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Speaker 3: And when you do.
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Speaker 4: That, that talk that comes out, that what comes out of their tongue, what comes out of their mouth, it speaks positivity into people. And really, if we can master those three muscles, then we can be really successful, you know. And kind of when we look at coaching and kind of going back to leadership, one of the the most just humbling, amazing things that I've been a part of when a handful of years ago, it was with coach Chadwell, and it was right around Eastern time, and Coach Chadwell was giving our team a talk and just kind of a discussion on washing feet and how Jesus washed the feet of everyone around in the servants and stuff like that, and Coach Chewell had us get up on stage as coaches, and Coach Chadwell washed all of the coaches feet in front of the entire team, and then in turn, we had the opportunity when the players came up, all the entire coaching staff washed.
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Speaker 3: The feet of all of our players.
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Speaker 4: And you talk about something that really bonds together, and I mean, ultimately, I think Jesus is the ultimate leader. You know, want to be able to take that and pour that into the guys. That's an experience that you know last a lifetime.
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Speaker 1: Man.
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Speaker 2: I think there's two binding forces right to really help unite teams. And it's service so sacrificing for one another, doing those types of things where you're humbling yourself and honoring people, which is really esteeming people above yourself. Then the other one, coach is suffering. It's being able to get in the trenches to do the hard things together. I'm just even thinking about what you guys just did here recently, when you sent those guys up there in those groups, carrying those change carrying each other on the back all the way up Liberty Mountain. And some people would look at that and say, oh, that's stupid, right, like why would you do that? You're believing them susceptible to injury or whatever they want to say. But man, I love that stuff because I think there's nothing more bonding ever in my mind than the suffering that I've gone through in my life with some of the brothers that have been closest to me. I'll never forget one day it was a Friday and we had this our strength coach Shelton Stevens. He said, if anybody he skips a rep, we got twenty burpies on the spot. Well, man, this one kid skipped four reps, coach, and they were supposed to other guys were supposed to be holding him accountable, And all of a sudden we had eighty burpies on the spot. If you didn't hit your chest, you started over, right, So we got to forty something. Somebody did hit his chest. Start over, thirty something, start over, twenty something, start over. So at this point we've already done close to one hundred burpies. Then we had eighty more once that kid got kicked out of the weight route, so that we do the other eighty. Then after that we had a Friday finisher. And I'm not gonna lie to you, that is one of the most memorable days of my athletic career. I honestly had forgotten some of the accolades, some of the best moments, but I remember that day because I remember how hard it was. But I remember I had Maddy Allen and Josh Barrick by my side, and I remember us doing those burpies together, holding each other accountable, picking each other up, lifting us up when they needed help, Like that was the biggest thing that is etched in my mind, probably will be for as long as I can remember it. So I'm just interested to you. Why do you think it's moments like that, it's suffering that helps bring and strengthen relationships to most Yeah, I think it's.
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Speaker 3: I think it kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier. It captures the heart.
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Speaker 4: I mean that's I mean, if I asked you, you know, the most important game you ever won, what was the score of that? You probably won't remember, Like you said, you'll remember that, and you remember what you felt like afterwards. And then more than anything, you have the confidence of man, if we did that.
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Speaker 3: You know I can do anything, you know. And I think that.
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Speaker 4: Too, together with your brothers and your teammates, that that forges the fire to where you know, we've kind of come through this thing together, and we came out of it together, and anything beyond that, as long as we stay together, were going to be okay. And I think the I call it controlled suffering, shared suffering.
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Speaker 3: Right, and it's like no task is too big.
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Speaker 4: We can make it through anything together, you know, Individually we're gonna fall, but together as a team will force through and we'll be fine.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 4: And again we're talking about building guys beyond athletic accolades, beyond that, talking about life.
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Speaker 3: You know, and I said this this past week.
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Speaker 4: You know, life is hard, like life is one of the hardest things you're going to do, if not the hardest. Football is hard, Okay, and football and life both if you if you are a weak person and if you are an ego driven person that relies only on yourself, you will fail at some point in life. The strongest guy needs somebody. And then through that and through those experiences, through those sufferings, they bond together and and really and also it helps you to fight for one another. You know, when your purpose is bigger than the actual event that's going on, then you got something special and really kind of dive into that purpose. And when your purpose is the people around you, it kind of puts you in an extra gear when things start getting hard.
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Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, I hosted a little private event for Clear twenty eight, which is an agency in the NASCAR space, and I had you speak into some of the driver's lives and really the agency's leadership lives. And I'm just thinking about you said a quote that has stuck with me ever since he said it a couple of years back, and I want you to share that quote and then expound upon it. But you said, every single day you wake up, you're giving two things. A chance, yeah, and a choice. Take us into that, because that's what I think of when I think of like perseverance, when I think of waking up in the midst of adversity, like you're giving two options, give it to us.
00:25:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:25:22
Speaker 4: So no, that's what I'm saying everybody, And that's that's where that's where I.
00:25:25
Speaker 3: Think fear and doubt and the enemy can can.
00:25:28
Speaker 4: Really grab a hold because people are worried about the past or you get caught up worried about the future. Ultimately, all we have is the present, and when we wake up in the morning, that's exactly what we have. The second our eyes open up, man, we have a chance. We have a chance to do something really good. But we also have the opportunity to have a choice.
00:25:46
Speaker 3: God make God gives us.
00:25:46
Speaker 4: Free will, and then it's what we do with those twenty four hours, you know. And I even tell the guys Motivation is a daily decision, you know, And that's something that you got to understand every single day. The second your your feet hit the ground, you got to be motivated to do things. And motivation carries a lot of different fronts as far as what you're doing, but it is a daily decision that needs to be made.
00:26:07
Speaker 3: You know.
00:26:07
Speaker 4: And again, I love that, and I love I love the choice and chance because we all have the same every single day. And then when we wake up, regardless of where we came from, regardless of where we're going, that's where we're pretty much all equals when we wake up in the morning, that's right.
00:26:22
Speaker 2: Oftentimes, we don't give up on a dream, on an outcome, on an aspiration because we don't believe in it. We give up because we don't believe in us. And it's that recognition that, man, every day you wake up, you're giving a chance. Today could be the day, Today will be the day. And then you make that choice where every day I'm going to give everything i have. I'm going to do what's required then some to the very best of my ability to become the man or the woman that God has called me to be.
00:26:45
Speaker 1: Every day.
00:26:46
Speaker 2: I love that a chance and a choice, coach. I'm just thinking about somebody out there today. And they know your strength conditioning coach. They know that you understand kinesiology, that you understand the body, You understand all of these things, and there may be somebody that hasn't optimized their potential, maybe their health. I was just thinking yesterday I was on a run, and I hate to run. I just be really you, I've always hated to run, right, But I was on a run, and as I was thinking about it, I got to think about the things that almost make me happy often times are very hollow m h Right. They're like the easy options, right. But the things that make you healthy and the things that make you holy are often hard. And it's recognizing that it's the devotion when you realize, like what you love is often what you'll be disciplined to. Devotion turns into discipline, discipline turns into desire. There's somebody out there today who's thinking, I want to get back on track. I want to start living that healthy life. I just don't even know where to start, Like I don't even know practical habits. I don't know what to eat, I don't know how to sleep I don't know how to do any of these things. What's just some basic knowledge that you would give that person a day to get back on track.
00:27:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think first off, start start right away. Quit putting it off till the next day. I mean, just immediately start. You can't, you know, everybody says, well, I'm gonna wait till New Year's I'm gonna wait till the first of the month. What's wrong with the day you have, you know, So just start and then just start walking, and that's it.
00:28:08
Speaker 3: Just walk.
00:28:08
Speaker 4: You don't need to you know, guys, that's the problem with people think that you have to do you know, CrossFit or high rocks or all these different super high intensity things.
00:28:17
Speaker 3: Just walk. Just walk.
00:28:18
Speaker 4: And then when you eat, when you sit there and you look at eating and assuming you don't have any allergies, the easiest thing. If you can't kill it and you can't grow it, don't eat it, you know, And that's an easy thing.
00:28:28
Speaker 3: You're there, you know what I mean. You know, I'm not great at that because I like the tortilla chips.
00:28:32
Speaker 5: And things like that that go with it, you know, But that's as honest as it gets, you know, fill your plate up with things that you can either kill or grow and you'll be just fine with that, right and then sleep and hydrate.
00:28:44
Speaker 3: Hydration is huge. I think a lot of people, you.
00:28:47
Speaker 4: Know, in today's world, they're overcaffeinated and under hydrated.
00:28:51
Speaker 3: And that's the thing.
00:28:53
Speaker 4: And the world of energy drinks and coffees and listen, I love all that more.
00:28:56
Speaker 3: I use it myself.
00:28:57
Speaker 4: But at the same time, people don't drink enough water, you know, and then sleep and recover, you know, And I think that's the thing. People are so quick, we as humans are almost we want to kind of take some shortcuts, you know. And in the world of ozempics and things like that that are out there, you know, really the that's that's short term and that's short term gratification, and it's something that's not long lasting, you know.
00:29:22
Speaker 3: Building those habits is what's going to last, you know.
00:29:24
Speaker 4: And so just walk, you know, walk thirty minutes a day, just walk outside, you know.
00:29:30
Speaker 3: I like, you know, I got this trick a long time ago.
00:29:32
Speaker 2: It was just ten minute walks after you eat and sing.
00:29:36
Speaker 4: And it's great. Yes, it works digestion, it works everything. But then also it helps you stack walks along the way you know, and so you know, nobody wants to really go outside and walk forty minutes, you know, But if I go out four times throughout the day and ten minutes stretches, that's pretty easy, you know. And then so it's just kind of little small gains along the way, and those small games.
00:29:53
Speaker 3: Become big gains.
00:29:54
Speaker 1: Love you said, just start, you know, that's the idea.
00:29:58
Speaker 2: Just start and then find some of these people practical habits that you can begin to incorporate inside of your day. You can give ten minutes to something.
00:30:05
Speaker 1: What's that.
00:30:06
Speaker 2: There's the called the rule of one hundred that if you do one thing a chosen discipline for eighteen minutes a day, that you will be better than ninety five percent of the population at the get at the end of the year. Because it stacks up to be one hundred hours. People will say, right, eighteen minutes, that's it, Like that's easy. But it's eighteen minutes every day. That's the thing that people begin to fail at is that they don't have enough time. They're too stressed out right, Oh, I got to focus on this instead of that. And I'll just say this, show me somebody who's more disciplined than you, and I'll show you somebody who has a greater purpose than you. I remember hearing this one guy. I think his name is Jeremy Stalkner. He is the CEO of the Mighty Oaks Foundation, which is a veteran run foundation to help veterans who are struggling with PTSD and mental health challenges. And he ran twenty two marathons in twenty two days, crazy feet, like, I'm just like man who comes up with this stuff. But he did it because twenty two veterans die by suicide every day, so it was suicide awareness and suicide prevention based work. And he said he was talking to me and he mentioned this idea that a lot of people would actually begin to ask me, like how in the world did you do it? Or they would give him these grandiose statements of man, you're just extraordinary, right, You're just way more disciplined than I am.
00:31:23
Speaker 1: You're just a disciplined person. I'm not.
00:31:25
Speaker 2: And he was saying like, I'm not. I'm no better than you. I'm not any more disciplined than you. I just have a greater purpose than you. Everything that woke me up out of bed and the first alarm went off, I got up, I tied my shoes, I put my clothes on, and I went on my run again and again and again because I was doing it for something bigger than myself. Speak to the person out there today who now they've heard the practical strategies, but I'm gonna be real, they're going to have a battle right with disciplining themselves to do it every day. Speak to the purpose that needs to be bigger than them.
00:31:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's what you said, is like the purpose in itself and the sacrifice and the people around you, whatever that is.
00:32:00
Speaker 3: You know, So I'll and I'll.
00:32:02
Speaker 4: Talk to you about, like our football team, our core values, right, And I think that's my question to people, what are your core values? And you know, and going back to standard your non negotiables, if you do not have as a man, if you do not have core values, then you're going to fall. It's like building the house on sand, because hard times are gonna come, it's going to wash away. But when you have those and purpose is one of our values, so we're our our core values are competition, discipline, accountability, and purpose. And when those are all tied in that that purpose piece, you know, I always tell people, you know, with purpose is your why, your.
00:32:36
Speaker 3: Foundation of why you do what you do.
00:32:38
Speaker 4: And I think why I could be as kind of like a fancy word there for a while, but ultimately it's it's the whole idea. If you're trying to lose weight because you're a father and you have children, right, and my deep rooted purpose are my kids.
00:32:51
Speaker 3: For me, it's my wife and my kids. That's why I do what I do. And so I.
00:32:55
Speaker 4: Don't mind waking up early. I don't mind staying to work a little later if I need to. I don't mind driving across town and being you know, kind of kind of worn down from that because my kids need me.
00:33:05
Speaker 3: That is my purpose. I'll drive three hours if I need to, you know.
00:33:09
Speaker 4: And so when you have those deep rooted purposes and those core values and they keep you along and keep you moving, then you obviously you'll pain any goal that you want.
00:33:18
Speaker 1: You talked about your purpose being your family.
00:33:21
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to go there now, because there are moments in life, Coach, where your faith almost gets put on trial, like suffering comes. You get blindsided by life, you get ambushed and you could have never expected it, and then all of a sudden. Sometimes pain has a way of stacking on top of itself and it just gets harder and it looks a little bit more bleak, a little bit more dim. But it's being able to bring light in the midst of that that really matters most. The past year, year and a half, what we were just talking about before, he press record has been a tough go for you and your family.
00:33:52
Speaker 1: Take us into that if you would, Yeah.
00:33:54
Speaker 4: You know, It's it's crazy how life works, because if if I had talked to you in March of twenty twenty five, my attitude would have been completely different, or my perspective would have been different, I guess, you know, and and so kind of kind of give you a background of that. So in April of twenty twenty five, my younger brother, he's eight years younger than me, he he was diagnosed with stage four lymphoma and.
00:34:25
Speaker 3: Just kind of he had some things.
00:34:27
Speaker 4: He was sleeping, wasn't sleeping good, had some stomach issues and then kind of went in and the doctors pulled him in and said, you know, you have stage four, but we feel like you can we can keep going. But this is kind of what you know, he calls me, and I was in the weight room. I just got done with a group, you know. And and he was the first person that I have been closely connected to, you know, in that in my family when it came to something like that, and obviously as her younger brother, you know, it's a dagger to the heart, you know. No, you know, and he's he's lives and he lives in Kentucky. So it was one of those he would I couldn't do anything. I was just here, you know. And so I had an opportunity to back in his first chemote or second chemo treatment. It was in May, and I had opportunity to go to Kentucky and I told him, almost spend a few days with you and just kind of be around you, you know. And and that was just mind blowing in so many ways just to sit next to him. And he did, you know, he did his he did his five hour, six hour chemo treatment and then he went back went home. I was with him for a week and he might have been up, he might have been awake maybe you know, ten hours the entire week, you know, And I told him, Hey, I'm just gonna sit next to you, you know, whatever you need me to do. I cleaned his house, we planted a tree in the backyard, and you really got opportunity to spend some time together, you know. And then kind of my wife at the time, everything was my wife had some issues that she was kind.
00:35:49
Speaker 3: Of struggling from a doctor's standpoint.
00:35:50
Speaker 4: But unfortunately during in June, I guess in June of that year. So month later, my wife's father passed away and that was really hard on her. And so we went to Ohio and kind of went through the process of of of that and then came back. Well August first of two thousand and twenty.
00:36:11
Speaker 3: Five, my uh, my wife.
00:36:13
Speaker 4: Went in to get a surgery done on her stomach and they found that she had stage one b ovarian cancer. And so we got us brought us back into the doctor's office and they told us, hey, you know you have you have an aggressive cancer, and you know, we're gonna we did the surgery, we got everything out, We feel good about it, but there was still cancer kind of in the wash of your belly, and we recommend chemo, you know.
00:36:38
Speaker 3: And of course that was just.
00:36:40
Speaker 4: A dagger to the heart, you know, and as a as a woman who you know, we have three children. You know, we're getting ready start football practice. We're right in the middle of the thickest part of the year, you know, in that and you know, as a man, I'm struggling to try to figure out, how how can I be a husband, how can I be a father? How can I be you know, all the things I need to be at work, and just kind of where where are we at? You know, And and then so that was tough. And and then you know, she went through the whole fall, you know, and and one of the one of the hardest moments I think was she had real long, curly, beautiful brown hair, was when it started falling out, you know. And there's some honor and there's some dignity, and you know, and I try to explain to her, you know, she's a tough woman, and naturally it hurt.
00:37:29
Speaker 3: When she when she shaved her head, you know. But and through the.
00:37:33
Speaker 4: Course of that, we'll seeing people in the in the cancer treatment getting getting chemos and radiation and things like that kind of there's there's an honor and a dignity that comes with with those people that are that are fighting with everything they have, you know, and they might some of those people might they might it might take them thirty minutes to go six steps, you know, but to watch them fight through that is extremely humbling, you know. And then so she goes through through the basically throughout the all last season, you know, she had six chemo treatments spread out throughout three months. And then in November, you know, right before the week of Thanksgiving, her mom unfortunately had a brain aneurysm, and then she passed like a couple months later, and her mom was.
00:38:18
Speaker 3: Like her rock.
00:38:19
Speaker 4: And her mom was with us through this whole cancer journey, you know, and and and the whole time through this, you know, the phrase and I kept saying it to my kids, and I kept saying it to her was God is good, you.
00:38:31
Speaker 3: Know, and and and finding light in this.
00:38:34
Speaker 4: And I didn't know kind of how to handle my brother's cancer. But what I found out through that was I was equipped to help out my wife a lot more because of what I was able to share with my brother, and well I was and he was able to help her.
00:38:50
Speaker 3: You know.
00:38:51
Speaker 4: And then you know, kind of fast forward till now, it's been really you know, we've been really good.
00:38:56
Speaker 3: My brother is on the mend he's he's in remission. Uh, my wife is.
00:39:01
Speaker 4: They did a scan a couple of weeks ago and she's cancer free now there so praise God, you know. And and uh and obviously you know, her mother and her father were huge in just her life, more in her mom.
00:39:15
Speaker 3: Her mom was kind of her rock, you know. And and the way that she.
00:39:19
Speaker 4: Just kind of honors her mom and she honors just her journey is you.
00:39:24
Speaker 3: Know, I tip my hat to her.
00:39:26
Speaker 4: I mean, she's she's one of the strongest women that I know, and she has she's birthed three children. And I tell you I couldn't I wouldn't be able to take ten percent.
00:39:36
Speaker 3: Of what she went through. And all I could do was just try to be her rock.
00:39:40
Speaker 4: And you know, and I think that goes back to when when I we got married twenty years ago, it was in sickness and in health whatever, whatever it is the world do you want me to do? This is we're here together, and we're going to go to the.
00:39:51
Speaker 1: End exactly right that commitment.
00:39:54
Speaker 2: And I tell you, we're going to continue to pray for you and your bride and your brother and just make sure that obviously covered I hope and pray that the audience would do the same. But you know, it's been amazing to watch from afar your guys's journey, to see the strength, the perseverance, the proclamations of faith. I think of job right where it's naked. I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return? Blessed be the name of the Lord. God is good. But I'm thinking of somebody out there today, coach, who's in the midst of a trial and a tribulation, and those words feel empty to them.
00:40:27
Speaker 3: I do.
00:40:27
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I can say God is good, but I don't know if I really believe that right now because my circumstances aren't changing. What would you say to that person about whether it's the practice of remembrance. It sounds like what you did a lot of is the practice of reflection, going back, looking back and being able to say, like, Wow, the Lord was setting us up for this season. The Lord was preparing us to walk through this, but he never left our side. Helps somebody in a moment where those words maybe do feel empty to them to understand the weight behind them.
00:40:57
Speaker 3: I think the.
00:40:58
Speaker 4: Biggest thing is people are watching and you don't know that. And when you're in that situation, you can give people strength without interacting with them.
00:41:09
Speaker 3: I watched my wife get up.
00:41:11
Speaker 4: From a chair and walk to the other side of the room and influence other people to be able to do that the same.
00:41:17
Speaker 3: And in the amount.
00:41:18
Speaker 4: Of people that I've had are players, former players, like you asked me earlier, you know, as a coach, what's one of the greatest things that you can have as far as you know?
00:41:27
Speaker 3: And I was talking about weddings and things like.
00:41:29
Speaker 4: That, But the amount of players that said, praying for you, coach, Hey, texting me, how's your wife doing? You know, going back to Isaiah likely text me a coach, if you need anything, feel free to call me anytime. You know that in itself, when I would talk to guys and I had an opportunity to show them what real.
00:41:49
Speaker 3: Trials look like, not just up there.
00:41:52
Speaker 4: It's not just things like that, right, It's not empty, It's not empty things like I'm living this in front of you, right.
00:41:59
Speaker 3: And it kind of goes back to everything.
00:42:01
Speaker 4: God gave me an opportunity to basically live that out, and you know, and and gave our family that opportunity to live that out, and it was one of those going back motivations of daily decision.
00:42:14
Speaker 3: We had to wake up, you know, we had the choice, We had the chance every single day, you know.
00:42:19
Speaker 4: And so when I say God is Good and people were saying, well, that's empty, okay, then truly sit in on that a little bit and and kind of try to remove yourself from the situation and look around you, because it's not about you. It's about It's about God's work and God's light being shown in the trial. And it was never about me, you know. And and my wife and my brother are unbelievable warriors, but it's not about them either. It's about God, and it's about it's about them, you know, showing God through their trials and through things.
00:42:54
Speaker 2: That's the concept of James Chapter one, where it's as considerate pure joy whenever you face trials or tribulations in this life, for you know that the testing of your faith goes on to produce perseverance. So let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature, complete, lacking nothing.
00:43:09
Speaker 1: The idea.
00:43:10
Speaker 2: I think when people hear those words God is Good, it's almost like they feel as if if they proclaim that that they're saying, thank you for the suffering, right, thank you for the trial, thank you for the cancer. And that's not what we're saying, or we're saying, though, is thank you God for allowing this thing, this thing that is very bad, that is very hard. Death is not good, there's no good that can be found in it. But God, thank you that you are the great restore the great repurposer, who can take something so broken, so depraved, but turn it into something so beautiful. God makes, He creates goodness in spite of brokenness. And I think that's what you're saying to somebody out there today. It's like, Hey, if you're up against a trial or a tribulation, we don't just thank God because of the pain, we think, and because of what he can do in and through it.
00:43:59
Speaker 1: And that's what he's.
00:44:00
Speaker 2: Done and in through your story and in through your wife's testimony. And I'm just thinking about as a man coach like going through that watching her, I can tell that you are deeply inspired and moved by just the woman that she is, the strength, the character, the servant's heart that she has to go and impact lives. As you mentioned, I just believe that there are five Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and you, and most people don't read the first four. It's the recognition that she lived this example out every day. But for you, I can only imagine as a man, when we have the pressure to provide and protect and to fix problems, when we can't do anything about it, it almost feels like there are so many things that are outside of our control. But yet, as a coach, you preach every day, control the controllables, Control the controllables. But then how do you not ruminate on all of the things outside of your control and the uncertainty and the lack of clarity that was up against you, and it was really pushing your back against the wall. I'd love to hear, what were you able to control?
00:45:00
Speaker 4: Yeah? That's the hard part is because as a coach you are wired in the same itinerary.
00:45:05
Speaker 3: You're wired to be able.
00:45:06
Speaker 4: You know, with me being a strength coach, sets and reps and percentages and everything right, and so being able to deal with trying to things outside of my control.
00:45:15
Speaker 3: I had to release that to God. I had to give that up.
00:45:18
Speaker 4: That was I had to I had to take a step back and and I quickly realized through this that not only I was a husband, but I was also a father. I was a father to two sons who were going to have a wife one day. I was a father to a daughter who was going to have a husband one day. And then how I helped my wife, How I served my wife, you know, how she even served me through it, How we together forged through this fire. We were examples for our children. And and one of the coolest things, and God really kind of ripped my heart open when you know, we were not even maybe a month or so ago.
00:45:56
Speaker 3: I was.
00:45:56
Speaker 4: I went up to my daughter's room and I'm cleaning her bed and I moved open, like I kind of moved one of her bed sheets, and there was a Bible in her bed, and honestly, I didn't even know she had that Bible. And I opened it up and there was a bunch of different notes. She was reading John, she was highlighting, and through that alone.
00:46:18
Speaker 3: She had a Bible that I did not buy.
00:46:20
Speaker 4: She had notes and she was doing that, and I was blown away. And then my oldest son, I walked downstairs one day and he lives in the basement, and you know, sometimes kids go in the basement and they play video games for hours and you never see him again. But uh, you know, he's sixteen years old. And I go down there and I hear him talking and giggling and doing different things, and I kind of easdrop on the on the door for a second and I opened it up, and he's on the phone, and he's got a Bible and he's on the phone and he's been doing a Bible study with four other guys that you know for six weeks and they and they've been working through the book, the Book of Matthew and doing things like that. We talked about that and then the same thing with my son, my middle son. He he wants to go to he was wanting to go to church and then praise God on Easter Sunday, all three of them, Uh, Pastor PJ baptized them.
00:47:09
Speaker 3: At Hope co.
00:47:10
Speaker 4: And it was and so and then to see all of that in the darkest of times that we had, and to watch God work through my children and really see my children.
00:47:20
Speaker 3: Grow in their walk with the Lord, it's unbelievable.
00:47:23
Speaker 4: And I and so, you know, to sometimes we got to step away and try to stop controlling things and just let God you know, Jesus take the wheel, you know, and let let God have it. And and it's God's plans always.
00:47:36
Speaker 3: Better than ours.
00:47:37
Speaker 2: It is I mentioned in a previous conversation, I was listening to Pastor Tyler Stayton and he was talking about why waiting is such an important part of the spiritual journey or of the process of sanctification, and he said, because waiting is where faith is actually required. And so like, as you're waiting, there might be somebody out there today he feels like they're waiting.
00:47:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:47:58
Speaker 1: I love what you said.
00:47:59
Speaker 2: Is the challenge that never underestimate the impact that you can have, especially in the midst of your suffering, because people are waiting to see how you will respond. Not when you're sipping a pinike lota on the beach, but when life is knocked you completely out and you feel like the wind is just taking right out of your sails, Like, how will you respond then? And with you, guys, I love the mindset of It's almost first Thessalonians four eleven to twelve, Like you made it your aim or ambition to live a quiet life. You just took responsibility for the things that were in front of you and that's how you win the respective outsiders, unbelievers when they look at your life and they're like, man, he's going through the thickest of things. They look at Beth. She's going through some of the hardest things in her life. But yet she's still proclaiming that God is good. She's still showing up for other people, she's still serving, she's still living in that way like there's something different, and I wonder what that is. That's what makes people explore the faith. And so I just I'm grateful coach, to you, guys, to your family for what you continue to do, for the impact that you've had. Is parents, even in the midst of this, I think that's a testament to a lot of parents. I've observed my mom and my dad there's some really hard times, continue to love well and continue to push through and persevere, and they continue to lean on God and hold on to hope in the midst of their suffering. And because of that, I really believe those were the moments that shaped my sister and I's faith way more than the moments of prosperity and the moments where things were good and we felt like we were on a mountaintop. Now there's a reason why the Puritans called it the valley of vision. That's where we got. The greatest vision of God was in the lowest of valleys. And so for you, coach, I'm grateful and I'm just wondering in this moment. We talked a lot about faith, we talked about perseverance. But my dad, I say this all the time on this podcast, so our audience is probably like, I know exactly what's coming right now. My dad told me when I was a kid, it's our moments of powerlessness that draw us closer to and reveal the character of God's heart the most. And I love asking this to every guest because no answer is the same. Who did God reveal himself to be in the midst of this past year and a half to you?
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Speaker 4: You know, God's a loving God. He's a loving God, and he's a providing father. And and it's not my time, it's it's God's time. And and God never left our side, not once. And and as much as I wanted to kind of lean on the world and and try to and even in the hardest times, you know, just kind of breaking down. And I mean, and I've had those times I had to I had those hard, hard conversations. You know, God never failed and he never never left my side. And and like I said, here we are, you know, and we're still obviously we're not completely out of it. But at the same time, you know, God showed me, you know, his love through three children and uh that discovered discovered him and there and and you know in their walk and uh, he's just he's a loving father.
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Speaker 3: And it's been amazing.
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Speaker 1: Coach.
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, as we wrap up our time, I always love to leave the opportunity for our guests just to share one final closing word that maybe God has deposited in your spirit throughout our conversation today. For the person out there who maybe is just in a season of disappointment, they're discouraged, there's a lot of despair, they almost feel depleted by life and all of the things that continue to stack up one on top of another. What's the final word of hope, encouragement and motivation you want to leave with that person today?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I think I think God uses broken people to share and spread his kingdom. And and there's no situation, there's there's nothing that.
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Speaker 3: You can go through that you know that God can't.
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Speaker 4: Walk you through and regardless of how your emotions feel, you going back to it. I mean every day you have the same We all have the same. We have a chance, and we have a choice. And when you when you lean on that and you're true to who you are and you put your ego to side, have your non negotiables, you know you're going to live.
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Speaker 3: A great life.
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Speaker 2: Coach, I'm excited just to see what guy's going to continue to do and in through your life and in through your leadership. Again, thank you for the impact you've had on me, you continue to have on me and countless others. I look forward to watching the Flames have a great year. What can we expect from the Flame train this year? Oh?
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Speaker 4: Great year, great year that we're really excited to.
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Speaker 2: Scott, thank you for your time today, Thanks for joining me. Thank you tall our audience here a bill different. I just wanted to say, if there's two things I want you to walk away with, it's number one, there's always a chance today could be your day. And number two, there's always a choice today will be your day. Make the choice every day. Continue to surrender, don't just demand things from God, depend on him each and every season of your life, and just watch what He will do, because again, if we really do believe that He is the God of Ephesians three twenty, then he can do exceedingly, abundantly more than we could ever ask, think, or imagine. Watch what God would do when you completely give your life to Him.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us.
