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Hello everybody, welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, I'm Tony Gerdeman,
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here as always with Tom or Tom.
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How's it going?
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Good.
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Tony, we're doing a show that we thought we might
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be doing a couple days ago, but it's going to
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be a little bit of a different conversation than we
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thought we were going to be having about this topic
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a couple of days ago.
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Yeah, the running game and what it is looking like
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now with the availability report coming out and Jacoby Jackson
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being listed as out. And Tom, I did not see this.
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I did not catch this at the end of the
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game against Maryland where he injured on the play before.
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the end of before the Bo Jackson plan. And he
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stayed in there to block and like you caught it.
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And I, I didn't see it until people were showing
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it after the availability report came out.
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Yeah. I had seen him. He kind of was the
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last guy off the field after that Bo Jackson touchdown
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and he'd taken his helmet off and was just kind
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of limping coming off the field. And I got some
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pictures of it, posted some of them on the board
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at Buckeye insiders.com, but you didn't know, you know, Hey,
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did he just tweak his ankle, whatever it was. And
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so it was, you know, it was not something where
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you necessarily assumed, oh yeah, he's going to be out
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next week. No question. But yeah, that, that's a pretty
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significant blow to the Ohio state running game. Cause he
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was someone who really had taken some significant strides this year.
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I think when he came in, I don't know what
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their expectation for him was coming in, but my expectation
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coming out of the spring was, oh yeah, nice, nice player.
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I think can, can play some kind of a role
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for them this year. But he turned into a lot
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more than that over the course of the first half
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of the regular season.
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You know, there's so many comparisons to the C.J. Donaldson
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situation last year.
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C.J.
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Donaldson rushed for 361 yards over the course of the season.
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Jacoby Jackson right now has 351 yards in two-thirds of
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the carries. And to lose him and the way he
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runs and his ability in short yardage especially is going
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to be missed because he is a guy that, and
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down in the red zone, how many times, two or
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three times this year where he's carried defenders into the
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end zone and has been like, refuses to be denied
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and just keeps churning. And so now you're going to
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be missing that. And you've got to figure out how
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to get that without him. And it's not something that
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Ohio state has excelled at the last couple of years.
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And now they finally get Jacoby Jackson and it's like, okay,
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he's pretty good at that. He's falling forward and he's
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moving people and now he's gone. So, that turns to
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Bo Jackson. It could turn to Isaiah West, but Isaiah
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West is listed as questionable this week. And I don't
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know that he's played enough this season or well enough
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this season to be counted on in those key roles.
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So Tom, this to me is a Bo Jackson game
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with the nitty gritty and then some legend Bay, but this,
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I don't want to say the game falls on Bo
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Jackson's shoulders, but it may fall on his feet as
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he needs to keep churning and just driving in his
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legs and his thighs.
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Well, I think if you look at the guys they've got,
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definitely healthy and available, it's Bo Jackson and Legend Bay.
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And I don't think they look at Legend Bay as
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a three-down guy where you feel 100% confident in him
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in pass pro on third downs. I think it's going
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to be a lot of.
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This is going to fall on Bo Jackson's plate.
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And we'll see how healthy Isaiah West is, and we'll
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see what they feel they can get out of Isaiah West,
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both in terms of health and in terms of role.
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But yeah, this is, this is going to be a
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lot of Bo Jackson.
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You get the sense on Saturday and the.
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Good news is that Bo Jackson has, after being kind
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of challenged by Ryan day over the course of the,
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of fall camp, I think has really sort of stepped
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up and sort of met the challenge. And I think
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Jacoby Jackson pushing him has probably helped there. He's still
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not making the guys miss at that second level where
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you're not hitting those 30 and 40 and 50 yard runs,
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but he's hitting a lot of those six and seven
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and eight yard runs. And, and if you can just
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do that and you can get hit two yards down
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the field and turn it into a four and a
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half yard gain, that's, that's what they need this week. They, they're,
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they're not going to be a lot of 80 yard
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runs out there against Indiana, but if you can on
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third and two, pick up three, if you can on
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first and 10 get hit, you know, the line blocks
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it for three and you may turn it into five.
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He's been doing that very consistently this year.
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So if he can continue to do that against Indiana,
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that would be a big benefit to Ohio state.
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You know, I'm sure they would take the 80 yard
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runs and be happy and thrilled, but there's also a
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place for a 13 play drive that keeps Indiana off
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the field. It keeps their offense off the field and
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that the explosion that they have. So Bo Jackson is,
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we talk about this kind of not disappointing, but you're
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waiting for more and more. And, you know, here's the
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yardage totals for him this season, 83 yards, 74 yards,
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73 yards, 53 yards, 70 yards, 107 yards last week
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against Maryland. And only the only two games where he's
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been over five yards of carry have been ball state
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and Kent state. Other than that, it's been like 3.9, 4.7, 4.8, but,
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it has been consistent enough, essentially. Now, here he's going
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to have more on his shoulders and I think more
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carries because, and again, with those yardage totals here, the
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carry numbers, 9, 19, 11, 11, 16, and then 23.
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Last week was his second career 20-carry game, the first
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being against Michigan last year. He went over 100 yards
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in that one. And so, Tom, before the show, I
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was We were talking and I was tallying up the last,
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since 2021, Ohio State has had a running back carry
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the ball at least 20 times, 13 times since 2021.
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They're 13-0 in those games. Now, that's indicative of controlling
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the line of scrimmage and things of that nature, so
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it kind of feeds into itself. But also, I'm expecting
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Bo Jackson to have over 20 carries in this game.
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If he doesn't, that either means he sits some home
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runs or or somebody else has, or the run isn't working,
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so you've got to do something else.
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Yeah, if Bo Jackson doesn't have 20 carries in this game,
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I think that's probably not a great sign for Ohio State.
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And if he doesn't have 15 carries in this game,
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I think that's probably a very bad sign for Ohio State.
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Because 20 carries in a game, there were years, 2024,
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they didn't have that at all because they split the
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carries so much between Quinshawn Judkins and Travion Henderson. But generally,
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he did it last week. against Maryland. He did it
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in 2025 against Michigan. And those are, those are both
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games where Ohio state was kind of comfortably ahead and
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just kind of trying to run out the clock in
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some sort of adverse weather conditions. And so if, you know,
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if you're running the ball that much, it's generally an
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indication that you're ahead. So it's, it can be a
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little bit of a cause and effect thing, which, which
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comes first, you know, the chicken or the egg with,
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with those stats, but If it happens, it's good news
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for Ohio State. And if he runs the ball 18 times,
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I don't think that's bad news for Ohio.
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State by any means.
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But I would expect to see him have a, you know,
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be that really bell cow running back because you can
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trust him, like I said, to be out there first down,
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second down, third down. If Legend Bay is out there,
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I don't know that they're going to have Legend Bay
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running between the tackles all that much. And I don't
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think that they, you know, you, you, if you can't
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trust legend Bay in pass pro, that kind of tips
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off the opponent as to what you're going to, you know,
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what he's going to be doing. And if he's the
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only guy in the backfield on that play that, you know, you're,
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you're tipping your hand a little bit, I think.
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Yeah. Either he's running it or he's going to be,
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you know, out in the, in a, in a pattern.
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So there's no, no huge secret there. And I am
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interested to see what happens with Isaiah West because I,
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That does give Ohio State another option between the tackles.
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And not that Legend Bay can't run between the tackles.
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It's just you're not going to be calling upon him
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on third and one. Remember when we asked Carlos Lachlan
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about that in the spring and he laughed about the idea,
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laughed at the notion that they would use Legend for
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short yardage. I mean, he's 195 pounds. Ohio State has
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had smaller backs that were used in short yardage. And
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he's spent his whole life running between the tackles. But
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if they could have Isaiah West, that would be big
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to have a second guy that can do that. And
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if they don't, this is a bad miss for Isaiah
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West where he is needed and maybe can't go. But
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we'll see what the availability report looks like over the
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course of the week. Tom, generally, I was looking at it. Generally,
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if you're questionable, it only gets worse, it seems, for
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the way Ohio State does these things, which is not
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great for him.
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No, it's definitely not great for him. And I think
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that sort of makes sense where you look at the
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games where they've been making.
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These decisions the last couple weeks.
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If you were questionable against Maryland, if there was any doubt,
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you were going to sit because there was no reason.
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To risk it against Maryland.
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And I think Jay Timmons, for example, I think was
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sort of in that bucket against Iowa.
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And you knew Iowa wasn't going to be.
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Doing a lot of stuff that was calling for you
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to have your nickel on the field.
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So again, play it safe. It's fine. No reason to
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rush him back out there.
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So I think there's a little bit of context around that,
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but this may be a little bit of a different
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conversation where you may need, you know, if Jacoby Jackson's there,
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maybe you don't need to.
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Rush Isaiah West back. Or if Isaiah West.
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Is a little 50-50, you tend towards the wait another week.
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And if you don't have Jacoby Jackson, well, then you
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might need to, if you're 50-50, kind of, you know,
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take a step towards playing rather than a little step
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towards being a little more conservative with it.
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And then there's Legend Bay. I know we were talking
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about him a little bit, but there's no Isaiah West.
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And even if there is, but I guess maybe the
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bigger conversation is if there isn't, how much Legend Bay
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do we see? We know he's gotten a pretty good
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workload in practice because essentially you've got two healthy scholarship
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running backs going right now. So does that follow through
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into the game then? Because they know he is explosive
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in what he can do. but also can you trust
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him in this kind of game? And that's the big
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thing where maybe he's, he's shown all week that, you know, yes, he's,
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he's done everything well in the last couple of weeks
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and all that, but it's still like, but this is
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a very big game that could spin on one bad
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play one turnover. And, you know, I just, I'm interested
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to see how trustworthy they are and having him out
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there and He played against Texas, they snapped, and they
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went to him. And this one, I don't really know
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if they have a choice. They've got to play him
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and at least have him out there for Indiana to
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be concerned about. Although, are teams concerned about him anymore?
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That's an interesting question. And would the answer to that
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question change if Julian Sane had made a better throw
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on that screen to Legend Bay last week? Because it
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felt like there was something significant there, maybe a touchdown there.
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If you throw that to him and he catches it
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and can make someone miss, then does that change the approach?
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I would assume that if we're seeing that when we're
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looking at the film, that the Indiana coaching staff is
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also seeing that when they're looking.
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But he is very much a question mark right now,
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a little bit of an X factor for the team,
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because you don't know what you're going to get and
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you don't know how much they trust him to do
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all this little stuff. I can't imagine they're going to
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play him for more than 10, 12 snaps maybe, and
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you're trying to get him the ball four times, five times,
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something like that. That's probably about all you can rely
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on him for. I don't think they feel like they
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can play him every down right now. And if you
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can't play him every down, you have to use him very,
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Indiana defense that is not flawless. Let's just say that
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Nebraska ran the ball a little bit. They have an
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athletic quarterback to make that happen to help that out,
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but Ohio State's going to have to attack it differently
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than Nebraska did, certainly differently than Northwestern did in order
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to have some success. So there's your thoughts, some thoughts
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back into the good graces of the entire Ohio State
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fan base with a performance maybe for the ages or just,
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Indiana does. and how Ohio State can combat that. And,
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Hello everybody, welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast, I'm Tony Gerdeman,
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here as always with Tom or Tom.
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How's it going?
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Good.
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Tony, we're doing a show that we thought we might
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be doing a couple days ago, but it's going to
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be a little bit of a different conversation than we
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thought we were going to be having about this topic
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a couple of days ago.
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Yeah, the running game and what it is looking like
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now with the availability report coming out and Jacoby Jackson
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being listed as out. And Tom, I did not see this.
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I did not catch this at the end of the
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game against Maryland where he injured on the play before.
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the end of before the Bo Jackson plan. And he
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stayed in there to block and like you caught it.
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And I, I didn't see it until people were showing
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it after the availability report came out.
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Yeah. I had seen him. He kind of was the
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last guy off the field after that Bo Jackson touchdown
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and he'd taken his helmet off and was just kind
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of limping coming off the field. And I got some
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pictures of it, posted some of them on the board
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at Buckeye insiders.com, but you didn't know, you know, Hey,
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did he just tweak his ankle, whatever it was. And
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so it was, you know, it was not something where
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you necessarily assumed, oh yeah, he's going to be out
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next week. No question. But yeah, that, that's a pretty
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significant blow to the Ohio state running game. Cause he
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was someone who really had taken some significant strides this year.
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I think when he came in, I don't know what
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their expectation for him was coming in, but my expectation
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coming out of the spring was, oh yeah, nice, nice player.
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I think can, can play some kind of a role
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for them this year. But he turned into a lot
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more than that over the course of the first half
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of the regular season.
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You know, there's so many comparisons to the C.J. Donaldson
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situation last year.
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C.J.
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Donaldson rushed for 361 yards over the course of the season.
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Jacoby Jackson right now has 351 yards in two-thirds of
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the carries. And to lose him and the way he
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runs and his ability in short yardage especially is going
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to be missed because he is a guy that, and
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down in the red zone, how many times, two or
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three times this year where he's carried defenders into the
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end zone and has been like, refuses to be denied
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and just keeps churning. And so now you're going to
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be missing that. And you've got to figure out how
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to get that without him. And it's not something that
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Ohio state has excelled at the last couple of years.
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And now they finally get Jacoby Jackson and it's like, okay,
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he's pretty good at that. He's falling forward and he's
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moving people and now he's gone. So, that turns to
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Bo Jackson. It could turn to Isaiah West, but Isaiah
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West is listed as questionable this week. And I don't
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know that he's played enough this season or well enough
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this season to be counted on in those key roles.
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So Tom, this to me is a Bo Jackson game
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with the nitty gritty and then some legend Bay, but this,
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I don't want to say the game falls on Bo
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Jackson's shoulders, but it may fall on his feet as
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he needs to keep churning and just driving in his
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legs and his thighs.
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definitely healthy and available, it's Bo Jackson and Legend Bay.
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a three-down guy where you feel 100% confident in him
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in pass pro on third downs. I think it's going
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to be a lot of.
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This is going to fall on Bo Jackson's plate.
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see what they feel they can get out of Isaiah West,
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both in terms of health and in terms of role.
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lot of Bo Jackson.
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of challenged by Ryan day over the course of the,
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of fall camp, I think has really sort of stepped
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up and sort of met the challenge. And I think
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Jacoby Jackson pushing him has probably helped there. He's still
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not making the guys miss at that second level where
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you're not hitting those 30 and 40 and 50 yard runs,
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but he's hitting a lot of those six and seven
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and eight yard runs. And, and if you can just
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do that and you can get hit two yards down
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the field and turn it into a four and a
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half yard gain, that's, that's what they need this week. They, they're,
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they're not going to be a lot of 80 yard
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runs out there against Indiana, but if you can on
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third and two, pick up three, if you can on
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first and 10 get hit, you know, the line blocks
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it for three and you may turn it into five.
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He's been doing that very consistently this year.
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that would be a big benefit to Ohio state.
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runs and be happy and thrilled, but there's also a
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place for a 13 play drive that keeps Indiana off
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the field. It keeps their offense off the field and
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that the explosion that they have. So Bo Jackson is,
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we talk about this kind of not disappointing, but you're
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waiting for more and more. And, you know, here's the
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yardage totals for him this season, 83 yards, 74 yards,
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73 yards, 53 yards, 70 yards, 107 yards last week
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against Maryland. And only the only two games where he's
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been over five yards of carry have been ball state
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and Kent state. Other than that, it's been like 3.9, 4.7, 4.8, but,
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it has been consistent enough, essentially. Now, here he's going
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to have more on his shoulders and I think more
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carries because, and again, with those yardage totals here, the
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carry numbers, 9, 19, 11, 11, 16, and then 23.
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Last week was his second career 20-carry game, the first
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being against Michigan last year. He went over 100 yards
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in that one. And so, Tom, before the show, I
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was We were talking and I was tallying up the last,
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since 2021, Ohio State has had a running back carry
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the ball at least 20 times, 13 times since 2021.
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They're 13-0 in those games. Now, that's indicative of controlling
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the line of scrimmage and things of that nature, so
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it kind of feeds into itself. But also, I'm expecting
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Bo Jackson to have over 20 carries in this game.
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runs or or somebody else has, or the run isn't working,
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so you've got to do something else.
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I think that's probably a very bad sign for Ohio State.
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they didn't have that at all because they split the
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carries so much between Quinshawn Judkins and Travion Henderson. But generally,
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he did it last week. against Maryland. He did it
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in 2025 against Michigan. And those are, those are both
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games where Ohio state was kind of comfortably ahead and
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just kind of trying to run out the clock in
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some sort of adverse weather conditions. And so if, you know,
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if you're running the ball that much, it's generally an
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indication that you're ahead. So it's, it can be a
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little bit of a cause and effect thing, which, which
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comes first, you know, the chicken or the egg with,
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with those stats, but If it happens, it's good news
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for Ohio State. And if he runs the ball 18 times,
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State by any means.
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be that really bell cow running back because you can
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trust him, like I said, to be out there first down,
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second down, third down. If Legend Bay is out there,
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I don't know that they're going to have Legend Bay
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running between the tackles all that much. And I don't
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think that they, you know, you, you, if you can't
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trust legend Bay in pass pro, that kind of tips
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off the opponent as to what you're going to, you know,
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what he's going to be doing. And if he's the
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only guy in the backfield on that play that, you know, you're,
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you're tipping your hand a little bit, I think.
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you know, out in the, in a, in a pattern.
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So there's no, no huge secret there. And I am
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interested to see what happens with Isaiah West because I,
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That does give Ohio State another option between the tackles.
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And not that Legend Bay can't run between the tackles.
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It's just you're not going to be calling upon him
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on third and one. Remember when we asked Carlos Lachlan
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about that in the spring and he laughed about the idea,
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laughed at the notion that they would use Legend for
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short yardage. I mean, he's 195 pounds. Ohio State has
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had smaller backs that were used in short yardage. And
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he's spent his whole life running between the tackles. But
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if they could have Isaiah West, that would be big
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to have a second guy that can do that. And
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if they don't, this is a bad miss for Isaiah
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West where he is needed and maybe can't go. But
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we'll see what the availability report looks like over the
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course of the week. Tom, generally, I was looking at it. Generally,
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if you're questionable, it only gets worse, it seems, for
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the way Ohio State does these things, which is not
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great for him.
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that sort of makes sense where you look at the
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games where they've been making.
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you were going to sit because there was no reason.
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To risk it against Maryland.
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sort of in that bucket against Iowa.
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Doing a lot of stuff that was calling for you
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to have your nickel on the field.
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rush him back out there.
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but this may be a little bit of a different
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conversation where you may need, you know, if Jacoby Jackson's there,
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maybe you don't need to.
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might need to, if you're 50-50, kind of, you know,
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take a step towards playing rather than a little step
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towards being a little more conservative with it.
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And then there's Legend Bay. I know we were talking
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about him a little bit, but there's no Isaiah West.
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And even if there is, but I guess maybe the
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bigger conversation is if there isn't, how much Legend Bay
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do we see? We know he's gotten a pretty good
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workload in practice because essentially you've got two healthy scholarship
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running backs going right now. So does that follow through
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into the game then? Because they know he is explosive
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in what he can do. but also can you trust
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him in this kind of game? And that's the big
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thing where maybe he's, he's shown all week that, you know, yes, he's,
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he's done everything well in the last couple of weeks
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and all that, but it's still like, but this is
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a very big game that could spin on one bad
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play one turnover. And, you know, I just, I'm interested
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to see how trustworthy they are and having him out
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there and He played against Texas, they snapped, and they
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went to him. And this one, I don't really know
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if they have a choice. They've got to play him
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and at least have him out there for Indiana to
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be concerned about. Although, are teams concerned about him anymore?
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That's an interesting question. And would the answer to that
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question change if Julian Sane had made a better throw
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on that screen to Legend Bay last week? Because it
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felt like there was something significant there, maybe a touchdown there.
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If you throw that to him and he catches it
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and can make someone miss, then does that change the approach?
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I would assume that if we're seeing that when we're
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looking at the film, that the Indiana coaching staff is
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also seeing that when they're looking.
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At the film.
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But he is very much a question mark right now,
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a little bit of an X factor for the team,
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because you don't know what you're going to get and
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you don't know how much they trust him to do
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all this little stuff. I can't imagine they're going to
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play him for more than 10, 12 snaps maybe, and
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you're trying to get him the ball four times, five times,
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something like that. That's probably about all you can rely
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on him for. I don't think they feel like they
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can play him every down right now. And if you
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can't play him every down, you have to use him very,
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very situational.
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Maybe turn from a question mark into an exclamation point.
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Somebody's got to in this running back room against an
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Indiana defense that is not flawless. Let's just say that
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Nebraska ran the ball a little bit. They have an
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athletic quarterback to make that happen to help that out,
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but Ohio State's going to have to attack it differently
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than Nebraska did, certainly differently than Northwestern did in order
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to have some success. So there's your thoughts, some thoughts
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on the running back situation. What do you guys think?
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How does losing Jacoby Jackson impact your confidence in this game?
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And is this a game where Bo Jackson can get
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back into the good graces of the entire Ohio State
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fan base with a performance maybe for the ages or just,
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you know, good enough to win? I think that would
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be enough. So there you go. Some thoughts on that.
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Come find us over at BuckeyeInsiders.com. We're talking about this game,
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talking there's X's and O's going on, looking at what
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Indiana does. and how Ohio State can combat that. And,
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of course, we're talking about that on the Insiders Message
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There is some sleeping. But that will do it for
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me here. Thank you all for tuning in, and.
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