Running Back Concerns for the Buckeyes?

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Tony Gerdaman here as always with Tom Wartyle. How's it going, Tony.
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of the sale job for you. But let's talk about
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some concerns that I have about the Oio State running backs.
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He called me a coward for having these concerns. These
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are my concerns. These are concerns I'd have if if
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these are my running backs, like if I was the
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coach of the running the OIC running backs, per se,
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if I was the head coach. My first concern here, Tom,
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is that there's a lot of guys in this room.
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There's some good depth, there's some talents. They've all been injured,
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They've all dealt with injuries. We didn't see Isaiah West
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or Bo Jackson this spring. They missed most of their
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senior years. So Isaiah West arrived in Ohio's stay with
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an injury legend bab missed the last couple of weeks
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of practice. Jacoby Jackson has been injured for much of
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his career. Uh and Tamo Rodgers has been in and
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out of the lineup, did not play last year. Favor
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Racky is deep well, No, favor Racky was injured in
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the season opener of his senior year. And uh and
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so this is something where yeah, you like all of
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the individual parts, but you look at him like you're like,
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there's there's some concern there, Tom.
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I think on a case by case basis, that's absolutely legitimate.
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It is perfectly reasonable to look at that and go, boy,
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I don't know if point finger at any individual guy
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if he's going to make it through the season because
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he's been banged up at points in the pat switch.
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That feels like that's kind of part and parcel of
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being a running back at this level. But it's it
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is also you have seen you can point to specific
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stuff with each of those guys. I will remind you
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we did do a show not that long ago about
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how this might be the deepest Ohios date running back room.
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So here's the thing.
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On an individual, case by case basis absolutely a legitimate concern,
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a hund.
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Up set legitimate.
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You would need like a biblical plague of injuries in
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the running back room, which has happened. Like I can
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remember some of the early two thousands Iowa teams where
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it was just like they're on their sixth running back somehow,
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and it's like this is like faster than spinal tap,
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like your drummers somehow. But they you would have to
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have that kind of a thing to get to burn through.
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All of these guys are you gonna have injuries. Of course,
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you have every juries like you go through a lot.
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I mean trey Van Henderson, when Trevan Henderson was at
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Ohios Date had seasons where he missed half the year.
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I mean, it's rare that you have a guy who's
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just fully healthy and you're starting running back all season.
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But the fact that you've got as many guys as
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you have will probably help keep guys healthy limit some
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of that wear and tear.
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But also it's a little bit of insurance.
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Where if this guy goes down, or even if these
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two guys go down, you do have other options.
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Because the seasons where there have been injuries when you've
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been down at the end of the line running Chip
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Trainham who came to Io State to play a linebacker
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and a miracle, but Xavier Johnson, who has played everywhere
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and I faint one of the great all time role
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players in Ohio State history. But not necessarily the guy
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that you think on day one is going to be
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the guy at the end of the season trying to
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beat Georgia or Michigan or something like that. So if
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that does happen this year, there are more options. But
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at that point, if you're down to the bottom. I
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don't want to say bottom of the barrel, bottom of
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the depth chart. You're talking like a Turbo Rodgers. Favor
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Acky playing for favorite key is through reshirt this year,
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although that doesn't no longer no longer really exists.
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Yeah, that's true.
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If everybody's a five for five, so the plans are
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down the road for him. Could he do it? I mean,
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Dallan Hayden did it as a true freshman, stepped up
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in a great way, but then was not necessarily good
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enough to play much after that. So I do think
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I do agree that there is depth here, but I
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also it's not even an opinion. It's just facts, cool
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and the running back health over time and through their histories.
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The second concern I have here is I guess about
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the depth because with so much depth, and you've got
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guys that you want to play. We know Carlos Lockton
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is going to play bo Jackson. We know that he
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loves Isaiah West and is going to try to play
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isa West as much as he can. They brought Jacoby
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Jackson over to play. We know Legend Bay is going
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to play. So a concern here is getting guys into
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a groove. And remember when it would be Dobbins and
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Mike Weber, they would each get a series and it
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was like.
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Very two thousand and eighteen.
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Did JK. Dobbins season right?
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And it's like this team can't run? And it wasn't
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because nobody could really get into a groove. And that's
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kind of my my concern here is just the inability
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to get into a groove. Now, we've seen Trevion Anderson
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quinch On Judkins operate just fine in that. I don't
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know that that was never was that ever an issue
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last year? I don't know. I don't They would pull
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Bo Jackson now after he got them inside like the
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five yard liners ten yard line, and then they would
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struggle to move after that.
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Uh huh.
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Well yeah, And that's and Bo Jackson one hundred and
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seventy nine carries last year, six touchdowns.
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CJ.
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Donaldson ninety six carries, so about half as many carries,
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ten touchdowns, almost twice as many touchdowns. So that was
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sort of a situational thing where it felt like they
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were just gonna use CJ.
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Donaldson as a goal line back.
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I don't know that you're gonna see that situation this year,
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because I think Bo Jackson is going to be bigger, stronger,
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a little more. You know, the goal is obviously for
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him to be able to break that one more tackle
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or you know, run through that one more arm tackle,
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or keep his feet to get through to the end
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zone in those kind of situations. But that's always a
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little bit of a question anytime. You know, the rhythm
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of the game is one of those things that guys,
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guys will talk about and fans kind of go, does
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that really matter? And you keep hearing it from players,
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so it sure seems like it matters, and he keep
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hearing it from coaches. You know, the easy answer here
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is that, well, it was just because Tony Alfred didn't
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rotate them correctly and they didn't use them correctly.
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And you know, this is Carlos Laughlin.
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He has a different probably view on some things than
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Tony Alfred did.
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I don't know that.
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I don't know that I would really put that on
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Tony Alfred, that that could be just those two guys,
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Mike Weber and JK.
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Doallins from JK.
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Dobbins was the guy Capitol G, Capitol G, Capital T,
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Capital G like he was in twenty seventeen and twenty nineteen.
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Really for long stretches this season, he was great. He
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didn't necessarily necessarily adapt well because I remember talking, I
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think it was Mike Weber who during that season said,
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when you're sitting, then you feel like you've got to
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do something, when you go out there and you're trying
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to hit a home run at a time when like
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sometimes you just got to shoot a single through the
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five point five hole, Like you can't try and hit
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a home run every single time. But they were sort
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of pressing and trying to do too much. Some of
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that may be how they were used in terms of
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rotation and how that was communicated to them, but some
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of that may also be the player. So you've got
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different players, you've got a different coach, So maybe this
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is maybe this is a problem, Maybe this is not
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as much of a problem depending on just the people involved.
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Yeah, and maybe it was a game play thing and
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they really had just those two guys. That's not the
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case anymore. So there's no clean Well, you play a series.
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You play a series, right because you're not going to
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go an entire quarter without playing bojacks, So it forces
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you to be more. You've got to cut it up.
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You've got to figure these things out. You can't just
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let the game dictate who plays and can just sit
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back and you know, just I don't need to do
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any coaching or you know, I don't need to decide
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who goes in because you're up next, and it's like
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the lineup was set, I give it to the up.
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Yeah, this is this is not a spring training game
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where you know that you're starting right fielder is going
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to play the first four innings and he's going to go.
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And it's not a bad anymore. Yeah, you know, this
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is something where you change up the order and so
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you've got to stay much more on ball. And I
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think that's that's one of the things that when you
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are changing things up, did you give a guy enough
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of an opportunity? Did you let him get his feet
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wet and warm? And yet you know, like change of
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pace is always a good thing as well, you know,
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so there's it's just a it's a balance, as Ryan
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Days says, you know, that's the art of coaching, and
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I'm sure Carlos Lockton will say something similar. And also
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like you know, it's everybody should be ready to go
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on any opportunity any you shouldn't need to get warm.
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But it is a thing. It may not be a
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I don't know if it's quantifiable or you know, how
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you define it, but it's it's a real thing, and
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you've seen it JK. Dobbins. Taking him off the field
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is not a good thing, and keeping him on the
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field is a good thing. And you saw him get
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better and better, like the two thousand yard season in
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twenty nineteen. So I mean that was a lot of carries.
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I think three hundred carries. There's there's some some good
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things that come from more carries. But I think they're
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all talented enough they can make their marks and how
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they do it. But what each of those guys be like, Man,
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I'd cheer like seventeen carries.
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Yeah, well, I think that the nature of a competitor
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is that you want seventeen carries Like that's these role
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guys who have always been the best player and every
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team they've ever been on before they got to Ohio State,
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and so now you get you know, maybe not Jakobe Jackson,
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but ever you know, because just because he's played on
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other high level college teams and all the other guys
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You've always been the best player in your high school team,
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so you've.
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Always been the bell cow running back.
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So now that's an adjustment, and it's really kind of
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a matter of communicating to the players. Okay, this is
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why we're splitting carries. I know, you want to carry
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the ball seventeen tied. He also wants to carry ball seventeen,
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so does he And ultimately you got to throw the
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ball to Jeremia Smith. Everyone's will that you can't give
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four guys seventeen carries a game. So it's up to
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Carlos Laughlin to communicate to those guys. Hey, look, the
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twenty twenty four season, Travion Henderson probably wanted to carry
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the ball seventeen times. Quinch On Judkins probably wanted to
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carry the ball seventeen times. I think Judkins may have
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done that once or twice, maybe during the course of
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the season. I don't think Travion got to those numbers
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at all. But what was the end result of that.
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The end result of that was by the end of
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the season, Trayvon Henderson's his legs are still fresh enough
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that he can go seventy five yards in a screen
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against Texas and Quinjohn Judkins can score three to three right,
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three touchdowns against Notre Dame in the first half or
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the early in the second half of that National Championship game.
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There's a real direct benefit to that as a player.
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If you can communicate that to the guys and get.
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Them to buy in, that probably goes a long way.
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Yeah, Travion Henderson's season high in carries was twelve that
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year and now he was against Notre Dame. Quinn Shawn's
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season high was seventeen, and that was against Oregon. He
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had fifteen and a couple of fourteens, and those numbers
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are all topped by Bo Jackson in terms of carrieres
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in the game. Had he hit a couple of twenty
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carry games. I wonder based on this, maybe we said
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some maybe I'll do an over undershow we'll do an
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over under show, because I don't know. I don't know
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that you'll see a twenty carry game from anybody this year.
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I don't know that you should. I think there's enough
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talent on hand that unless you've got a Trey Sermon
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type of situation, he gets still with Western.
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a real outlier. That was and that was one where
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we're sitting in that.
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Stadium and going they need to be giving in the
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ball more.
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That felt like one where that the coaching staff was
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really trying to not do that and ultimately was kind
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of like, well, this guy's running for like twelve yards
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of carry and we've given him twenty something carries, which youould.
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Probably just keep giving him the ball.
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And it ended up working out working with a school
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record that day. But you know, the inclination even in
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that case was to not necessarily do that right away.
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So yeah, I think they're gonna do their very best
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to not get caught up in the moment. If it's
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a close games, it's late, you.
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Got to win the game. You got to win the game.
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But if it's the second quarter and you're playing Illinois
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and you're up seventeen to seven, I don't think it's like, well,
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you got to keep riding his hot hand all the
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way through four quarters.
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No, And the proof is there that the fresh running
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backs helped win a national championship, So I think that's
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maybe worrying about not getting into a groove. You'd rather
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have fresh running backs than guys that couldn't get a
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work up a sweat against Iowa he provided you with.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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The last concern here, Tom is well, do they have
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a short yardage specialist and not just I don't want
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to say specialists. Do they have somebody who's effective and
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sure he owns I don't need them. I don't need
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one person to come out and the other hey comes. CJ.
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Donald said, why, I don't know, because he didn't push
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a pile. He'd fall forward. Sometimes he'd fall forward, but
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he wasn't as to the line of scrimmage when he
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did it. Is there an effective short yardage runner here?
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We know Isaiah West is thated weight. He's up to
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two twenty five bass, so what we've been told, Oh,
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Jackson's going to be around two twenty or so, so
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he's going to be more of a power back as well.
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Jacoby Jackson another big back who has some experience doing
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these things. One of those three guys, do they become
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the guy that you just know he's coming in and
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not that you know he's coming in, you know he's
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going to pick it up. Can somebody be as effective
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Tom as J. T. Barrett in short yardage? Yeah?
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That's that is the eternal question. The j T.
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Barrett just never ever missed on that QB power run.
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And they don't have a guy who. You know, Donaldon
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came into Ohio State last year heavy. I think he
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came in at four or two forty five or something
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like that and cut some weight what he got there.
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But you know, I'm looking at the list of weights
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right now and they're not all exactly current. But Jacoby
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Jackson's listed at two seventeen, Isaiah West two ten, as
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you said, we have been told he's already put some
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weight on there. Bo Jackson two seventeen. There's not a
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guy who's the this is your you know, traditional full back,
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you know, put you know, give it to refrigerator Perry
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kind of thing and.
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Let him go over the over the goal line.
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Nate Roberts, Yeah, I mean Nick Roberts is there. I
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think Nate Roberts is going to probably pay play more
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of a traditional tight end role this year than he
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did last year. But they've got to sort of sort
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out that full back position a little bit. They've I
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think they've got other guys in the who are probably
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going to play that role more more this year. But
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I think it's almost it's not that you need a
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dedicated goal line guy. It's just do you have a
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guy who can get the ball over that goal line
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and he can also be the guy who got you
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from the opposing twenty five into the red zone? Like
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you can just keep the same guy in the field.
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But can Bo Jackson do that? I mean, we know
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he's put on weight. You know Isaiah West has put
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on weight and not like I've been I've been supersizing
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all of my meals, like putting. When we say put
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on weight, we mean put on muff all bit. These
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are guys who would be better in those goal line situations.
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The other piece of that is the guys in front
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of them. If the holes are just a little bit bigger,
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if you got an extra three inches between the guards
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and the tackle, well that will help you get across
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that goal line and be a little more successful. And
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I'm anticipating that they're going to have that. So you know,
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the running backs do not operate in a vacuum. I
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think looking at the roster and looking at some of
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the development between last year and this year, if they
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can stay healthy, you're seeing some of the.
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Stuff that you would want to see.
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And if the guys up front are as good as
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we think they might be.
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That's going to go a long way to helping as well.
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So those are my concerns that I have for this team. Quid.
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Do you see any other concerns out there if you're
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watching on YouTube, But for your concerns into the comments.
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If you feel like I'm being ridiculous, please keep that
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to yourself. If you have any issues with Tom, please
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put those are the times Insiders dot com.
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Go on the Insiders board.
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We can start a festivus threat if you'd.
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Like, would be more than happy to do that. And again,
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as Tom said, go to Buckey Centers dot com. Sign
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Wouldn't be a Buckeye Weekly podcast if we didn't have
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some extraneous background noise, even right at the end.
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Yeah, it's like there, it's like wrap it up, wrapped up. Okay,
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I'm getting the wrap up side from the horde in
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the background. That will do it. It comes up. Thank you
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all for jenning and we will talk to you all later.
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Let it away.
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Were where If you can tell me that's the Moor.
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It's all right.
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We can steal currently tonight