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Speaker 1: Every day waiting click your ass up the Breakfast Club.
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Speaker 2: You don't finish for y'all done.
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Speaker 3: Morning.
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Speaker 4: Everybody is DJ Envy, just Hilaris Charlamage and the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed, you want to sit in that seat now, because you know you get to pick what seat.
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Speaker 1: You want to see the undisputed champion of the world. Okay, one of the greatest ever doing.
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Speaker 3: Just said whatever.
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Speaker 5: I want to make sure you want to sit in your seat again. I want to make sure.
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Speaker 3: Look like you're ready to fight now. I thought you were. You're usually are bulky when you're not, you know.
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Speaker 2: And I'm losing weight right now for what, Just because it's getting my body together, you know, fast and a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Oh somebody been talking too much too much.
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Speaker 5: First of all, how you feeling, brother?
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Speaker 2: I feel great? You feel great? You know. I'm I'm happy around, man, I'm living a life from traveling, seeing the world and next word, better life. Right now.
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Speaker 5: People always asking are you coming back to do you have that itch at all?
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Speaker 3: Just step down for a second, man, I'm just asking.
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Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't you know, I don't have the desire to do anything no more, not that I can't, It's just what I did everything. And then I look back and say, ain't nobody gonna be able to replicate a retirement in a career like I've done?
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Speaker 5: So are you still training? Though I'm not, don't even train.
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Speaker 2: Train at all? Like I work out from time to time, like in the gym, but like as far as boxing, you.
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Speaker 5: Don't miss it at all.
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Speaker 6: His whole life.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been doing that seven. I think I'm gonna go back to the gym, do a little couple of training, you know here soon, probably a month or two.
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Speaker 1: How does that feel to when you're a person who spent their whole life preparing for fights?
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Speaker 3: Did you prepare for retirement the same way?
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Speaker 2: I didn't? I didn't, you know the Canelo fight. Already knew that I was gonna be my last fight. But I never sat down and was like, what I'm gonna do with Ohama, prepare for retirement and things like that. It's just with something that God laid on my shoulders and boom. I just handled it as it came.
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Speaker 7: It was dope the way you did the video. But after the Canelo fight, you're saying you already had it in mind that you was gonna be done.
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Speaker 6: But was there a.
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Speaker 7: Battle, like a struggle after that fight, like, man, do I really want to be done?
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Speaker 2: Like?
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Speaker 6: Do I have another one in me? Did you have that that moment?
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Speaker 2: Not at all, Not at all, because my mind was already made up, so everything else just fell into place.
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Speaker 7: But with their offers like the Turkey, I ain't getting nothing for no other fight, So that's BS people saying, no, he got a nod for to fight Canelo and the rematch for X amount of dollars or boots or yes, we ain't.
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Speaker 2: Never even had a conversation about rematch with Canelo, boots or no anybody else.
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Speaker 1: What's to prepare your mind emotionally, emotionally or financially when it comes to retirement.
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Speaker 2: I would say emotionally. Financially that's always be there, that's there every day. But you battling emotions every day, every second. So I say emotion.
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Speaker 1: Because you still gotta But you still got to have the money to retire, Yeah for sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've been doing it for thirty years. Money being secure, yeah.
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Speaker 7: Not only making money though, But you people don't know you you purchased a lot of properties in different states, so you've been preparing to be financially free for Yeah.
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Speaker 2: For sure, for sure. Like before the Spense fight, I told people like, I don't got a box no more. I do this because I want to do it. You know, y'all do it because y'all have to do it. It's a reason why I can fight one time a year and be comfortable with not fighting because I don't have to do it. So after the Spence fight, yeah, that just kind of pulled me to another level. Then Mage them off, then Canelo and it's like I really really really need to don't have to have my kids work no more, you know, after the Canelo fight. So that's just b I scene and putting it in the work before I have to do everything else.
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Speaker 8: What were the lessons that you learned on that the business side of it that made you think like that, like you're naming your kids not fighting no more. You don't have to fight. But like a lot of people don't get the money business side of it right. What lesson taught you to get it right?
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Speaker 2: Paying attention to the wealthy people, you know, looking at all my people and all the people that had the world in their hands and was successful and went broke. Looking at the things that they did wrong, paying attention to history. History always repeat itself if you pay attention. So when you look at all these athletes that I had a lot of money and a lot of fame and every everything given to him, and you see what they did with the money, then you say Dan and I remember this guy was the man and he had millions. Now look at him. I don't want to be like him. I don't want to work my whole life fighting for something and then lose it all and then everybody be like man, I remember, I don't want to be that person.
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Speaker 1: You seem like you live a very modest life though, Yeah, for sure, for sure he'll buy a fishing rod before you buy a Bentley.
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Speaker 2: Yeah I ain't everybody. I got a Mercedes.
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Speaker 7: You know, when you build the nice house, money in your house.
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Speaker 2: But that's the investment, you know, I look at it. You know, a house as an investment.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know.
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Speaker 2: I'm not spending no crazy amount of money on cars and jewelry and unnecessary thing. So that's just me.
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Speaker 7: Did you have a mentor, like somebody that like gave you the game outside the ring.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a few mentors, you know, when talking to them and them telling me like, hey, save your money, save your money, like everybody always preached that.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, but people say that, but then other people say, don't save your money, put it on the street, like investing in stuff, because sitting in the back it ain't gonna.
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Speaker 3: Work for you.
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Speaker 2: That's still saving your money. That's you know, you're putting your money to work, saving your money. It's not wasting it. You're not going out just splurging and spending it like they grow on trees, you know. When I was younger, See, I never had a problem with saving my money. You know. I was always the one, Oh he dusty, he dusty, but I had a pocket full of money. I was. I was that that guy, you know what I mean. And my coach used to always tell me, like, man, what you're gonna do around all that money? Tomorrow I ain't promised. You need to start spending some of that money. And I start looking at it like, dangn you're right, because we don't know what tomorrow holds. So while we all saving, saving, saving, we need to live life a little bit as well. But that don't mean be you know, stupid with your money. You know, be smart, enjoy yourself when you can, but make sure that as much as you spending, you're recouping at the same time. That way you have a balance.
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Speaker 3: I see you spent.
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Speaker 1: You seem to spend a lot of money on experiences, for sure, like traveling for sure.
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Speaker 2: For sure. You know, I'll spend my money on going to a different country, learning history and learning something and things that don't matter tomorrow, you know, taking my kids out to a different country. They're gonna remember that for the rest of their life, and they're gonna cherish that, you know, me seeing you know, something that I would have never thought i'd see in a different country and learning something, then I come back to the States with a different perspective. I appreciate that more than anything.
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Speaker 1: How do you make sure your family inherence financial literacy and not just the money that you're gonna leave.
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Speaker 2: Just teach them, you know, you gotta, like like I was taught, You gotta teach them. You gotta, you know, let them know, like hey, listen, for every dollar that you use, you know, that's a dollar you need to make best right or you know, like money don't grow on trees, like I said before, And you gotta you gotta help them understand because they don't underderstand because of the time that they was brought into this world, they never had to worry about. And for me, I spoiled them. So now I'm in a phase of not giving them everything that they want.
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Speaker 9: Why do parents do that?
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Speaker 8: Like you spoil them and then you try to unspoil them. Why don't just balance it from the beginning.
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Speaker 2: It's not because for me, I always wanted them to have what I didn't. I never wanted them to have to worry about what I had to worry about. So for me, that's what my spoiledness came from. Like here, man, y'all ain't gotta worry about nothing. The clothes, the shoes, the phones, the games, like everything that y'all want, y'all got because I sacrificed, you know, so y'all can have the luxury life that I never had.
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Speaker 5: But you know, for granted.
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Speaker 2: There you go, so then you start looking at it, this phone break, this phone break, this game system break. Then it becomes oh, well, my dad got money, here'll buy me another one. And then you start looking back and you. Okay, No, they ain't appreciative.
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Speaker 5: They know it's a little bit for you. It's like meave your lights to it.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, on the daytime doing that, that's what. Yeah, that too.
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Speaker 7: So hurts you a little bit to say no. Finally, like if one of yourselves or something.
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Speaker 2: You're good with it. No. So my daughter, she she always she always asked me. I said, man, why I feel like you using me? I said, don't don't don't use me. Don't do that to me. What she said, you know, I love you. I said, man, you only try to be nice and and do all this extra stuff when you want something, what you want. You know, I already know they want something. My daughters. My daughters all do the same thing. And I telling them, like, don't do that to me. You know what I mean. You don't gotta love all up on me when you want something, to do that naturally, you know. Yeah. My boys they just like whatever. You know, boys they wild animals.
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Speaker 5: Man, your kids want the box.
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Speaker 2: No, they did at first, but now they wrestling, still playing basketball.
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Speaker 7: You just they just went to it was Africa with you, like you took them with you on the strip. But what is that experience like like seeing your kids seeing the world and seeing these different cultures, Like they.
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Speaker 2: Ain't gonna appreciate it until they get a little older, you know, going to see the pyramid and want to see Tanzania and beautiful. Yeah, they ain't gonna. They ain't gonna.
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Speaker 6: They don't realize what they're experiencing right now because they show their oh really, or they were acting up.
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Speaker 2: Man. I took their phones and every day took their TV. They ain't have no TV Africa, Man, they show that what they do fifteen now he ten and twelve.
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Speaker 3: No, they gonna appreciate it. I'm sure you already notice it.
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Speaker 1: Now it'll be a regular casual conversation and they'll be talking about Africa like it's nothing.
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Speaker 6: They don't.
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Speaker 5: They must have been out there just on their phone the whole time.
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Speaker 2: No, they just was tripping, not listening, fighting each other, getting into it with each other, just doing the most. And I'm like, man, like y'all way in Africa trying to like argue and fight with each other, being irritating to each other, like do that at home? Like I always tell them that, like when we all in public, like you know, y'all don't fight with each other, like y'all do that back at home or behind closed doors. But some boys like, all.
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Speaker 3: Right, another thing I like about you too?
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Speaker 1: You never left Omaha, right, like emotionally, like like why was it important to bill where you came from instead of chasing somewhere else?
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Speaker 3: Like everybody like to run the Vegas when they box them.
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Speaker 2: Because when you look at those bigger cities, somebody made them cities pop. Somebody put those cities on the map to make people want to be appreciative and happy where they're from. You know, I'm from Omaha, the place that they said it's on the corn, you know. But when they come to Omaha, they see a different side that they never thought that they'll see. It's like, man, y'all got black people here, y'all got a city here, y'all got this, y'all got that, and it's like yeah, like it's just like any other city, you know. And not only that, you see those little kids that look up to you and they like, man, if he can do what I can do, and you give him a hope, and you see them start working towards they dreams and they goals and whatever it is, and you would be the big inspiration for those little kids. And that's the reason, the main reason why I haven't moved. I still live there and I'm still active in the neighborhood.
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Speaker 5: I see you doing an analyst thing. Do you enjoy that?
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Speaker 2: It's cool? It's cool. I was nervous. I don't know why, but.
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Speaker 5: I mean, what made you nervous?
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Speaker 4: Because this is what you do. You I'm sure you can see it before any other analysts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know. It's just a different lane, different lanes. So I think this, this next one is gonna be better. I felt like I was getting better as we go.
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Speaker 5: Do you practice at home?
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Speaker 4: Do you watch old fights and just act like you did to make sure you got to know?
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Speaker 1: They got mad at you when you was bringing down Boots fight the other day though, Yeah, I don't know what the commentary. I mean, I heard the commentary, but I didn't understand what made them so upset about it. I said, you was hating.
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Speaker 2: I'm always hating. If I say something, I'm hating on on Boots, but it is what it is. They gonna say what they're gonna say, because you know they been putting my name with Boots name for years, like to boost him, you know, so they're using my name to catapult him.
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Speaker 7: So you saw you saw the clip I'm pretty sure on online where they was asking him who's easy work?
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Speaker 6: And he said that you were easy work? Did you see that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: What? What?
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 6: What do you feel when you see something like that? I don't feel nothing.
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Speaker 2: Like I was easy work?
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Speaker 7: Then you know his mental but you you gave him his props on the wind with Xander. You just the one thing you said, I'm people don't understand.
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Speaker 6: I'm just ten steps ahead of you. Like that. That was a statement like, yeah, you did your thing, but you still can't for me. It was that like a little.
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Speaker 2: Man listen man, Like I said, I'm retired and there's no need to keep going back and forth with somebody that I ain't gonna.
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Speaker 6: But is he the face of boxing now?
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Speaker 2: No? Canelos still face box? For sure? Like I've been dealing with this type of stuff for years, He's just getting a glimpse of it. You know. He everybody is onto his his his train. I'm gonna say they jumping on this train, you know. But he don't know that those same people is gonna be turning against him and in a minute, you know what I mean. And then he's going to be at a point where he's gonna be like, dang, I'm talented, but I'm not getting any credit. Oh well, everything I do they say, oh, you're supposed to do that. Every person I be, they're gonna be like, oh, are you supposed to be He's gonna get to that point where he's going to be like, then it's going to be another fighter that come along, and they're gonna start comparing him to him, and then they're gonna start taking all the credit away from him. Now people gonna some people are gonna give him credit, you know. But he's gonna deal with the same thing that Floyd dealt with, Terrence Crawford deal with, Andrew Wards right now, and history gonna repeat itself. You know. He's gonna deal with the same things that everybody before him dealt with, and then he's gonna have to handle that.
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Speaker 3: What makes somebody to face a boxing.
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Speaker 2: What you generate, you know, Like I look at Canelo like he moves the needle no matter who he fight, where he fight, you know, and that's you know, what I would consider the face of boxing. Like when Floyd came around, like you knew, like Floyd was there, like Canelo. Yeah, you know, you gotta give him his credit.
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Speaker 1: But it's got to be more than that though, right, because I mean, you never moved the needle like that pay per view wise.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you look at when you look at me, I wasn't molded and marketed like them. You know, I didn't have the backing like them, but I had the name. People would say, oh, well, you wasn't a big name, and you wasn't. How come I wasn't. Anybody I fought made the highest payday in their career. Anybody that I fought had well, outside of Canelo had the highest ratings. Even Canelo this last fight the highest ratings that he ever had, the highest you know.
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Speaker 7: Views, man, just I think that's the highest payday Canelo ever got against it.
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Speaker 2: Like, when you look at it, you just say, Okay, well why he didn't get that with these other guys.
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Speaker 3: I mean, to me, that was the fight, right, Like to me, those are the two faces of boxing.
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Speaker 1: When you'all thought, so, I got gotta be more than just pa.
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Speaker 6: But you gotta do something in a ring too, You got fight.
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Speaker 2: You gotta have a dance partner like I hate when pe Boom like try to diminish one fighter to big up another fighter and say, oh, well, this fighter is the one reason why he did all these numbers and why they sold so much. Okay, So if that's the case, why he didn't do that with this guy or this guy or this guy or this guy? Answer that.
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Speaker 6: That's what I say about Floyda.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I love Floyd, but people always talk about Floyd is a pay per view king. But every time he did it, he had to have a fighter that came with a whole country. McGregor came with Ireland, you know, PACKI came with the Philippines. Canelo came to Mexico. So it wasn't like he to your point, he needed that. All fighters need that other the villain of that dance.
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Speaker 2: You got to. You got to. You know. It's kind of like any sport when you have two powerhouse football teams going head to head, that's just gonna make the views even more because the level of intense that he does going into the game. The same way with basketball, if the Lakers was playing the Celtics in the NBA Finals, it's gonna be massive, you know, so.
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Speaker 9: For Boots, then who is that fight?
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Speaker 6: Then?
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Speaker 8: Like that would get him to the point where you would even consider him face of boxing.
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Speaker 2: And he's gonna have to do a lot of work. You know, he haven't even scratched the surface on becoming the face of boxing yet.
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Speaker 5: Now you mentioned Floyd.
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Speaker 4: Do you think all the stuff that's going on with Floyd hurts his legacy because we talk more about finances the exhibition fights, but nobody necessarily talks about him his legacy and the wins and all that.
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Speaker 5: What's your thoughts on that.
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Speaker 2: I don't think what he's going through hurt anything, because everything that he's going through is speculation. You know, nobody really personally know what he's going through. We see things on social media and then they run with it. They say, oh, well, Floyd is Floyd that Floyd Floyd broke. Come on now, Floyd ben broke. I just can't see that. If a person that was a billionaire is worth five hundred million, now, oh he's broke because he's not a billionaire, and he broke to me, right, he broke to nobody. You know, a person that can do what he want, when you want, and how you want. It's not broke to me, so I just don't get into that. I don't understand why people they take a narrative and then they run with it and don't know what's going on.
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Speaker 7: I think because he always leads with money, right, everything is showing money, like he's on the court side, you know, pulling out bags of cash. So if that's almost like that's what validates him. And I'm not throwing shot at Floyd's career. He's one of the goats right in the ring, no doubt, but it seems like he needed that validation from the social media that I have money.
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Speaker 6: So I think that's that's why it is affecting them more than anything.
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Speaker 2: I think it was just that he just sold people a lifestyle. But you know, he sold people a lifestyle to get them in tune with his personal life and the things outside of the ring, because people will call them boring. So then he made people tune in by taking his lifestyle into perspective of the person that he is. And some people hated them for it and some people criticized them for it, and that's what made him a bigger superstar in the game because people like, oh man, I want to have money like Floyd. I want to dry these cars like Floyd that lifestyle. He sold the lifestyle.
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Speaker 6: But what is it?
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Speaker 7: What do you know about Floyd that most people don't know. I know you developed a better relationship with him over the years later on in your career like that.
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Speaker 6: Maybe people a misconception.
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Speaker 2: Of Floyd Man floyda cool dude. You know, Like a lot of people will say he want to be the center attention and things like that. But I never want to be the center. So it don't fake me like you have that, you know what I mean. But like Floyd Man, like I appreciate him because like he'll just hit me up out the blue. How you how you're the family. Don't want nothing, just just checking on me.
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Speaker 6: Nothing to do with box, nothing to do with boxing.
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Speaker 2: Like he'll just call me, how you doing, How the family? How the kids? You know, how to health? Everything? Good? All right? I don't want nothing. I'm just checking on your family, you know, like when I'm in Vegas here, but like come come, come to the skate ring. We're gonna be skating.
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Speaker 7: You know you're here, like just you know, so you get upset where people like Baracking myself do fantasy matchups with you and Floyd.
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Speaker 6: Does that bother you?
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Speaker 2: No, because that's just what boxing is. You know, people compare Jordan and Lebron. I'm pretty sure Jordan's get tired of hearing comparisons with him and Lebron, But at the same time they compare him to somebody before him. It's gonna happen to sport. I don't get mad, and I'm pretty sure you don't either.
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Speaker 3: Do you ever do that to yourself? Though?
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Speaker 1: Like, do you ever hear those conversations and be like, what, what what would that fight look like?
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Speaker 3: Of course?
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Speaker 2: Okay, of course me as a competitor.
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Speaker 3: Of course, has he ever beat you in your in your mind?
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Speaker 2: For me?
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Speaker 1: No, So you know what that fight would look like if y'all thought, yeah.
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Speaker 2: For sure, definitely and then played it out and pictured all that.
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Speaker 3: So how would have it gone? How would have it gone? Would have gone?
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Speaker 6: For me?
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Speaker 2: To know?
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Speaker 5: Nobody to find out?
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Speaker 9: You talk much about to get back in the gym a little bit.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, nothing like that. I just.
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Speaker 1: Congrats on your SQ win too. That's but once again I saw folks questioning that. They said that your victory over Canelo one of the one of boxings defining moments, but the debate is whether that one accomplishment should outweigh fighters who competed more often and delivered a strongle overall body or work like who.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, there you go. That's just you know, somebody that's picking up the keyboard and say, let me hate on Terrence Crawford. I don't think he should have got this with one fight, Okay, So, like I said, who was more deserving?
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Speaker 6: Because you took the fight defined good.
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Speaker 2: Fighter that was lined up against me should have deserved it.
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Speaker 7: I mean that that fight is so defining that people would talk about it twenty years from now because of the weight jump and the big fight. So I can't even think of I mean respect to all the fighters that won big fights last year, but I can't think of anything that's either close.
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Speaker 6: So I don't know who's saying that.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy, because, like I said it, I don't think nobody it's going to be able to retire in this magnitude, jumping up two way divisions, beating the guy that was undefeated in his division, no rehydration clause for undisputed, he had all the belts, not only that walking away win in every award there is. So that's a clean slate from Fighter of the Year with ASPS, b W A, A ring, just everything, and to be able to say, all right, y'all, I'm out.
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Speaker 1: I learned my lesson. I only doubt and that was against Earl. I just I just thought that you and I just thought Earl would.
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Speaker 3: Get the other hand. But you know, clearly you changed the trajectory of his whole career. Do you ever think about that?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 3: But I ask you why though?
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Speaker 2: Remember when I when I say here, I'm just like, why you like feel that way? Like I just felt like and I told you, I felt like y'all was just going off of what everybody else was saying and not looking at boxing as a whole. You know, he was promoted in a light to where everybody jumped on the bandwagon and everybody followed on and things like that.
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Speaker 3: But definitely.
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Speaker 2: So people didn't look at the detail, like why do I feel like he's going to beat this guy? People didn't look at it. And I just aw every person that I felt that was man enough to tell me I think he going beat I'm like, why why do you think that? Like I never get mad over somebody's opinion.
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Speaker 5: You know, why is that? Because most people are getting pissed the.
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Speaker 2: F off because everybody got opinion. That's just like if I play basketball and somebody was like, oh, man, I think such such team gonna be dripped, Like, oh that's cool, we'll see you know, and then you're gonna have shit on your face when you lose, when you when you was wrong about your opinion. But at the same time, I just tell me, why why did you think that way?
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Speaker 3: Did you think he was gonna win in such of course commanded?
00:28:22
Speaker 1: Of course that was different. Man, I'm gon watching boxing a long time. That was a different That was different.
00:28:27
Speaker 2: Bro, Go to the first twenty sixteen when I first came to the division, just twenty sixteen, when I first started talking about it. He's the boogey man. I want to fight the boogeyman. I want to fight the Keith Thurmans and Danny Garcias. I want to fight all of them, you know. And then when the fights start getting momentum and people start talking about it, It's not going to be a fight that y'all think it is. I've been saying that for years, for years before the accident. Before that when we bet, when he said bet one hundred thousand, I said bet a million because I was that much confidence than him that I was gonna, you know, do what I do.
00:29:16
Speaker 4: What makes you since you were tired, now, so you can explain what makes you so confident in such a greater fighter?
00:29:22
Speaker 5: What did you know? What did you see?
00:29:24
Speaker 2: Styles? See? I've been watching him since he was in the amateurs, you know, and I knew that my style and his style. My style was just more superior, you know he was he was more flat footed, he was more come straightforward, he was more telegraphing with his shots, and I just knew my style was a bad matchup for him.
00:29:51
Speaker 7: And people say that, you know, your big fights came later on your career, but when you got to the division, when you beat Jeff horn Right to become waltweight champ, I wanted those fights right away. So because you were top ranked, was is it true that al Hamman kind of iced you out where you couldn't get any of those PBC fighters, Like that's what really happened. That's the reason those fights didn't hapen. It's not because you didn't.
00:30:13
Speaker 2: Want them, of course, man, everybody you know like, we're not about to go over there and fight that dude, but like for what?
00:30:20
Speaker 6: So I was protecting all of his water weight.
00:30:22
Speaker 2: Like ou didn't want me to fight Spence. You didn't want that fight, you know, but you know Spence wanted it. I wanted it, and the fight had to happen, right, The fight had to happen. But like you got, you got all these fighters over here in your stable, and you got two fighters over here in this stable. One of those fighters goes to this stable with all these guys. So now you're over there by yourself. We em gotta fight him. We can round.
00:31:01
Speaker 6: Robing each other, all the money and honey in the.
00:31:03
Speaker 2: House and starve him over there. He ain't got it do nothing with us over here. And that's how it was.
00:31:10
Speaker 6: The cream overs to the top.
00:31:12
Speaker 4: What did you think about that alleged audio of al him and them talking about which sounded crazy what they can do to the box and the amount of power they have.
00:31:21
Speaker 6: Well, and now him is supposed audio. Did you did you hear that? Man?
00:31:27
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was real or legio.
00:31:30
Speaker 6: Yeah, it wasn't confirmed to be real.
00:31:33
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, that's why I said a lesson.
00:31:35
Speaker 6: Yeah, it sounds crazy, you do.
00:31:36
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about twenty twenty one when you're fighting Sean Porter, right if that comes across my timeline all the time, right, and you're sitting down in the corner, and your team tells you that you lose it.
00:31:46
Speaker 3: And I don't remember you losing, so I had to go look it up.
00:31:49
Speaker 1: But all the judges had you up on the scorecards. Then you're going there and you finished Sean Porter in the tenth Why did they tell you were losing?
00:31:58
Speaker 3: And what was your mindset when you heard that?
00:32:01
Speaker 2: They didn't tell me I was losing. I told them they had me down because.
00:32:05
Speaker 3: I thought one of somebody in the audience.
00:32:08
Speaker 6: Was it your core? Who was it?
00:32:10
Speaker 2: Nobody?
00:32:13
Speaker 6: Like you said, he wasn't looking at his people.
00:32:17
Speaker 2: Two people, you know. I'm like, I'm chilling as you can see. I'm like, what's up. They're like looking. I'm like, man, what's they like?
00:32:27
Speaker 8: No?
00:32:29
Speaker 2: They like here he up? So I'm like hold up, So I look he up. They're like, man, you gotta go. I'm like he up. And they was like I'm like oh. The first thing that came to mind was they trying to rob me. They're trying to take it away from you. So I'm like, man, you can't let them take it away from you no matter what, Like go out there and you know, go eat. So that was just my mental either I'm about to get you where you're gonna get me, but I'm about to step to you, and yeah, step up the pace.
00:33:04
Speaker 7: Once you find out that that you were up in the cars and you go back to that person like, yo, why did you say that to about the person in the audience that told him that he was down?
00:33:14
Speaker 2: No, because they don't know.
00:33:16
Speaker 6: Oh, it was just that I was watching score cards because.
00:33:21
Speaker 2: You know when you look at the broadcast and you hear what they're talking about, and they didn't want it to be a case where it was a close fight and people can say, oh, man, you lost that fight or that fight could have went either way, and you have to face the critics and all that. So I have conversations like, man, why do you say that they played out the way it played out?
00:33:51
Speaker 1: Speaking of I guess my mindset is, so if you know that you can go in and ring and do that.
00:33:59
Speaker 3: Always, if you could just go if you knew I could, I could go take him out right now. You knock him down twice in the time. Why didn't you just do that much early?
00:34:09
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I was just coasting and that and that Sean Porter fight. See me like I always had a problem with I want to hurt you, you know, but I don't have no ill will to hurt you. It's kind of hard, you know what I mean. So I'm sitting up there, I'm just like, I'm in control. I know I'm winning. But then when it's like they trying to take it from you, then a different side of me kick in. It's like, oh, yeah, we got it. We gotta get it in.
00:34:42
Speaker 1: So if you're cool with Shan is a cool dude, pops man cool. So when you're cool with people, you're like, I can't. I don't want to go do them dirty.
00:34:49
Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, I don't want to do your that's crazy. That was cool. Like I was cool with Ray Bell Tron, you know, I was cool with Sean. I was cool. We'll image them off, you know. Canelo was cool and then four fights that went to the distance.
00:35:07
Speaker 5: He asn't cool with Space No no no.
00:35:09
Speaker 2: Men me and Spence's I respect him, but I won't say we was cool, you know what I mean, Like leading up to the fight, I won't say we was cool, but we respect each other as man, as competitors and things like that. But it was too much riding on that fight. I'm like, man, I gotta do something to this.
00:35:32
Speaker 7: You know, you're the first fighter to really be honest about that, like about being cool with a fighter and liking them personally to the point where it does affect you a little bit, like in wanting to hurt that person, because fighters be like, nah, when the bell ring, all that go out the window. But you still, like Sewan, I know you, you always say, like showing the last dude, I want to fight in the watway because I like the dude, Like I don't really want to want to hurt him. So you needed that motivation from the audience to actually do what you did.
00:35:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, we grew up together. Like god. I still to this day, I always tell Sean I didn't want to fight him really, yeah, Like I've never seen myself fighting him because you know, when we grew up, I was at one thirty two, he was at one sixty five. Oh yeah he was you know what I mean. So growing up in a professional game. It's like y'all never was calling for me to fight Sean when he was WBC champion. Nobody never said nothing about Terrence Crufford and Sean Porter fight until he falls. Spence And I told him, I said, man, they just trying to gauge you. You know, they not really, They just using you as a piece of meat to see you know how it's gonna turn out. And praying and hoping and wishing that you beat me and then you and Arrow can get y'all rematch. They ain't gonna have it happen.
00:36:51
Speaker 7: Speaking of Arrow, like, I gotta ask you, his fight was slated to be at one fifty eight against him Zu, and ten days before the fight, I'm hearing that his team records stick for the fight to be at one sixty right? Is that a bad sign that he that he's struggling to make weight? I mean it seems that way.
00:37:08
Speaker 2: It could be two things. He's been out the ring for so long, his body just not reacting like it normally would. And bad thing is that he ain't ready. No, but I think he ready.
00:37:27
Speaker 6: Do you think he wins that fight?
00:37:29
Speaker 2: Yeah? I gotta win it.
00:37:30
Speaker 6: I'm going going out there. Do you think he stops Simseu.
00:37:35
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think both of them there's a good fight for both of them in the stage of their career right now. I think both of them can hurt each other, and I think it's gonna be an entertaining fight. But I think arrow skills should take him to success in this.
00:37:54
Speaker 7: You think he could come back to be one of the biggest names in the sport like he once was. I mean, how many fights, Like let's say he washes Tim Zu, does he have to win another big fight to be considered like a big name in the sport again.
00:38:07
Speaker 6: Because people writing.
00:38:08
Speaker 7: Them off, they're talking about the accident a lot of people. Some people don't even give you credit for that win because of the accident. But he won two fights. But I'm saying no, I'm saying the accident came before. But but he won two fights after the accident. He beat who got saying Danny Garcia and nobody mentioned an accident. Then they just started mentioning it after you beat him.
00:38:33
Speaker 2: It's gonna be like that. But if you look at all my fights, you will see that there's always something. It don't matter what it is It's all man, it's because this guy is this guy is this guy? Alright? Cool? So I came to the conclusion that there's gonna always be something. So I just accepted before it even happened. Before the Canelo fight, y'all, see what I said. I said, I said everything that they're gonna say. Before the Spence fight, I said everything that was gonna say. You know, I start predicting everything that they're gonna say and preparing for and it's like when they say, it's like you saying everything that I knew you was gonna say before. I could have pushed the fight Spence before he came back, and then everybody was saying, all he came off of accident when he fought, when he fought Danny Garcia, I said, you're not ready yet. I went to Dallas to watch him fight.
00:39:39
Speaker 6: Oh really, or you say he not ready for you?
00:39:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say he not ready. I said, let him, you know, keep training and things like that. I got into it with a couple of his friends and stuff like that. We're going back and forth. I'm like, all right, you know, let him fight again. So after the ooh go fight, I'm like, all right now, it's time everybody say, he looked at you, he's good, Let's fight. I don't ever want to fight you at your your least best. I want to fight you at the best.
00:40:08
Speaker 1: What advice do you give your court, because I feel like your core has adopted a lot of your mindset, especially when it comes to critics, because people say the same thing about your court, like they'd be like, oh, he's boring. You know, you don't have no knockout power, but I think he's just a great, technically skilled boxer. What advice do you give him about.
00:40:26
Speaker 2: Just keep doing what you're doing or don't worry about what everybody else talking about. They're gonna watch you anyway. You know, you just that much talented and more superior than the people that you in the ring with that they're going to criticize you when you that much above your competition, They're going to criticize you no matter what me. I'm here and they feel like, oh everybody you feel I thought is B level, C level fighters, But they wasn't that when they was coming into the the ring to fight me, right, But once I fight him and I dismantled him, and the fashion that I do then they say, oh, he wasn't that good. He went that good. But before the fight, everybody was saying, all this dude about to knock you out, this dude, this, this dude too big, this dude, you know, too talented. But then afterwards they like, man, that wasn't even no close fight. So then they gotta criticize you of oh, man, he ain't for nobody. His resume is this, his resume is that, And it's like, okay, cool, Like, I don't knock what you're saying.
00:41:38
Speaker 5: What do you think next fight should be?
00:41:41
Speaker 2: Who? I wouldn't see him in? Devin, I think I think that's gonna be the fight.
00:41:51
Speaker 9: I thought that's how he signed the agreement to the fight, right.
00:41:54
Speaker 6: No, that it's how for boxing. But Devin supposed he's gonna sign with them, so it seems like.
00:42:00
Speaker 2: It's gonna be. Listen, Devin Kishan, Devin Shakur, Devin Tank, like Devin in a great spot right now. You know, Devin got a lot of good options. Devin Ryan after him, and rolely Devin Connor Band Like Devin got a lot of opportunities right now, and so do all those guys because they all can fight each other you know, so I think that number of individuals they can rhynd Robin except but everybody else.
00:42:43
Speaker 7: How do you think Ryan and kind of band just got announced? Like, how do you think that fight plays out?
00:42:46
Speaker 2: Man? I think it's gonna be a better fight than people think.
00:42:50
Speaker 6: People picking a lot, most people picking Ryn.
00:42:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the skill level. You know, we know Connor started boxing late. We know Connor get reckless, we know Connor opens up. We know Ryan can catch you with that speed and that power with the left left hook. But what if he don't land the left hook. We see what Rowley did, and Rowley didn't start boxing at a young age, you know, And if Connor can take the same approach that Roly did and not get hit with the big shots, then we might see a different fight than we we expected.
00:43:33
Speaker 7: Oh, Connor McGregor, You said, Connor, you guys went back and forth. He claims that you will offer one hundred million dollars to fight him.
00:43:40
Speaker 6: In the ring and for the cage and then in the boxing ring. Right, that's what he said. What's your take on what just happened to him in the cage?
00:43:50
Speaker 2: Nothing, that's just a freak accident. The injury you know, you can't. You can't prepare for that, Like you go throw a kick and you're getting injured without even landing anything. That's that's just like when my my bro Steven, he was sparing and he was bouncing and popped, he popped his achille out of nowhere, know nothing, you know, So you just can't prepare for things like that.
00:44:16
Speaker 6: People saying that he had the injury already, right, like.
00:44:19
Speaker 2: Nah, nah, if you injured, you ain't. You ain't bouncing around and doing that stuff. But especially before the fight, when him warming up and things like that, you're not doing all that before you go out there, Like this is just a freak accident that just haden.
00:44:35
Speaker 1: What did you think when you saw Shakur and Shannon shop going back and forth? Were you yelling at the laptop?
00:44:42
Speaker 2: I was smiling. I was laughing because Schakor made his point, you know, like Shannon wasn't getting it until he got it, but then it was too late.
00:44:52
Speaker 3: It's like.
00:44:54
Speaker 2: You make it his point even stronger than you know when he said it.
00:44:59
Speaker 3: So I can't tell you about boxing.
00:45:01
Speaker 2: You can't.
00:45:02
Speaker 1: I can't tell I can't tell noney all about boxing, right, That's what y'all do for a living.
00:45:06
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And you know, like just because you older, that don't mean you know you're smarter because you went to college and you got all these degrees and you don't got a degree in boxing. And I love Shannon, you know what I mean? That's it's you know, but hey, you.
00:45:27
Speaker 8: Think should even like it seems like he don't care no more, but should he even care about that narrative?
00:45:31
Speaker 9: Like at this point in his career, Like no.
00:45:33
Speaker 2: No, I always tell him keep doing what you're doing. You know, they can't beat you. When they can't beat you, they want to figure out any and everything to do to make you fight how they want you to fight, but they're not in the ring. The same way with Floyd, all he do is run all that little pity pad that sticking moved, Like no, like you mad because you can't beat like you want me to give you the opportunity to beat me by just standing in front of you and trying to go socking boppers with each other. So you criticize me on my technique and my style because the people that you want to see, when the people that you like can't beat me, it's just simple. They can't beat me, They can't beat him, but he almost did.
00:46:27
Speaker 6: With Peter, he kind of gave into what the people.
00:46:31
Speaker 7: He did, right, he was in the pocket fighting like with a guy that was His volume was crazy, so he gave in a little bit. Did you talk to them after that fight?
00:46:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, we always start, But a part of that was the pay too, though.
00:46:46
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, because he in front of you non stop, you can't.
00:46:49
Speaker 2: It's like these fighters that y'all claim better than him and he don't punch hard, right, well, why ain't nothing one of them just blowing through them. Same way with Floyd. He had that the same thing that Chakoor getting. Floyd was getting. But you never see no fighters just blow through them and just like, oh you don't hit that hard. Let me just walk through everything and just try to knock you out, Like.
00:47:18
Speaker 6: You don't see that?
00:47:19
Speaker 3: Can boxes of it and press critics?
00:47:22
Speaker 2: No, No.
00:47:24
Speaker 8: I think about Clarissa when we had this conversation, because I know people argue all the time, and like, like she didn't get the BT Spirts Women of the Year award and people were like arguing that she shouldn't have and she was listening or and like Pat was listening like her accolades, but it seems like with her, some of those big awards she don't get.
00:47:40
Speaker 9: But we know she's the best at what she does. Like the critics that just love to throw that at her.
00:47:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just you know, women boxing, they always say there's not enough women boxers to make that strong point, so they always try to move the goalpost of her accomplishments, like she accomplished more in boxing than any boxer male or female. Now you can say because it's not that many women boxers in the world, and it's easier to become undisputed, and it's easier. This is easier that, But at the same time, she still did what she had to do. It's not her fault. You know. She's a four time undisputed for a different way class, you know, two time Olympic gold medals, like one loss in her whole career. Like man, the things that she's achieved in the sport of boxing, like we may I don't think we're gonna ever see that done again, you know, And people need to appreciate her, you know, because she takes their approach that every other athlete takes, and that's work, hard, dedicated life and put it all on the table when he beat.
00:49:12
Speaker 5: You know, earlier cham talked about Omaha and you lived in Omaha. You said you never leave. And I remember after you won and you had to parade, they pulled you over. Did you ever think like I missed the Omaha?
00:49:24
Speaker 3: Like why a y'all fucking with me?
00:49:25
Speaker 5: Did you ever think that way at all?
00:49:26
Speaker 2: No? Not at all, not at all. I just felt like, you know, the cop that pulled me over was just you know, on this high horse that just wanted to be known or I don't know, I don't know. I felt like he was just trying to prove a point because he was the only one like everybody else, all the other officers is like, man, just calm down. But I'm like, no, this dude, like who I beat your ass fucking bad?
00:49:58
Speaker 5: But he knew that.
00:49:59
Speaker 2: But that's the but like it just it just pisses me off when people use their authority and abuse it. You know, it's like, you don't gotta do that. You don't gotta talk to me crazy, you don't gotta treat me a certain way, like come.
00:50:18
Speaker 6: On, man, he knew who you was.
00:50:24
Speaker 2: And wasn't something. Yes, hours after the parade, he claimed he didn't know who I was, and he only knew who I was after the altercation.
00:50:36
Speaker 6: That was after the party. But it didn't ruin. You're not you still with someone else. I remember let that.
00:50:41
Speaker 9: But you gotta go through all that and then it's like a seventy five dollars fine I.
00:50:44
Speaker 2: Saw or something like that. There you go, there you go. And that's the way of saying that it was justified. Well, you still did something wrong. All in all, he may have been wrong, but we're gonna make it right because you still broke.
00:50:59
Speaker 6: A law, like speak, did you pay that voc.
00:51:03
Speaker 2: It's like all that seventy five hours, like but.
00:51:07
Speaker 8: Your guarded I saw it still suing the suing Omaha and the police department and stuff like that for violating the constitutional rights they did.
00:51:15
Speaker 2: Like what was the need to bring everybody out the car handcuffing? What do they do? They didn't do nothing?
00:51:25
Speaker 9: Were you guys held that It wasn't that gun point for thirty minutes. It was thirty minutes.
00:51:29
Speaker 2: I was held at god point. But it's like all in all, okay, you got me. You know, you said you see my gun, But what you didn't you know? We told you that we had his gun. Is it's viewable, it's on his chest. I told you I had a gun in the car, Then you go crazy, Cool, it's not illegal for me to have guns. You know, I got a lot of guns. But at the same time, y'all didn't even have a protocol on how y'all react to people with guns. So your thing was to pull your gun because you felt threatened. But why, I'm not in toxic kden I'm not belligerent or anything. You told him you had a firearm, and like, like, what part of me is making you feel threatened. I'm not moving no kind of way to make you feel like I'm reaching for a gun or anything. So I just didn't understand that. You know, why was I getting a gun pointed in my face?
00:52:40
Speaker 1: Well, I want to ask one more questions. Did you retire because there really was nothing else for you to do? Because you said you knew you was gonna retire after Canelo, and then when you announced retirement, people say, nah, you shouldn't retire yet, But nothing they said really made sense, Like did you really retire because you looked at the landscape and You're like, there's nothing else for me to do.
00:53:01
Speaker 2: So if you look at when I retired, I retired after uh, what's his name? I one sixty?
00:53:12
Speaker 6: Who's that one sixty?
00:53:13
Speaker 2: He was supposed to fight. He was supposed to fight my boy from Dominican one sixty.
00:53:21
Speaker 6: He was Domas Carlos. He's supposed to.
00:53:24
Speaker 2: Fart fight a Dominas Jennebeck. Oh, okay, So if you look at the landscape of boxing, right you would say, okay, I'm gonna ask you who would I thought.
00:53:37
Speaker 3: None of the stuff they said made sense. They're talking about ben Vida, then I heard it.
00:53:41
Speaker 6: Heavyweight.
00:53:44
Speaker 1: Then I started jenibate things. Then they were saying Boots okay, none of that made sense to me. And then a Canelo remagical okay, so.
00:53:52
Speaker 2: Canelo that was off the table. You know there was no rematch cause nobody said anything about Canelo. Still to this day, nobody have said nothing about Canelo.
00:54:04
Speaker 6: But would you for him if if the rematch of present.
00:54:07
Speaker 2: If it was, if the rematch clause was in the in the contract, then I would have honored that just off of who I am. Boots wasn't nowhere in the in the word roam of us fighting because it just didn't make sense. Jane back, Like, what would I get out of fighting boots? Paying it for?
00:54:34
Speaker 3: That's really like literally, because that's.
00:54:36
Speaker 2: What I always ask people, what would I get? He ain't no champion, Like what would I get? Like, Oh, you bought you beat the young Lion, that's it. That's it. So every fight that I thought since two thy fourteen being for something, every single fight, either I'm the de fending my title or I'm going to conquer another division for a title, undisputed everything. So I looked at the landscape of everything and I said, okay, Canelo, I'm gonna go one sixty eight boom. Then after that, then what Jannebek was supposed to fight Carlos adamis for his fight his belt. Jannebek had two belts, Carlos had one. That would have been three belts on the line. Whoever would have won that would have fought for the other belt that would have been undisputed. And I won sixty I said, all right, cool, after Canelo be Canelo, and I'm gonna see what they do down here. So then it came out that Jennebek was on performance enhancement, so you know that fight got canceled. I don't know if they did they strip them for a title. I think they stripped them for a title.
00:56:04
Speaker 7: So it's like, all right, So the only way you would have came back, if everybody would have some one person would have came became undisputed at one sixty and you would have fought one more fight to be on distributed in the fifth fourth division.
00:56:18
Speaker 2: So I was just like, man, this really ain't nothing for me to do. No more like that would have been. I'm I'm into making history, making legacy fights. You know, that would have been a historical legacy fight. Oh man, this guy come from one thirty five to one sixty eight then come back down to one sixty again. Yeah wow, coming off the Canelo fight and becoming undisputed.
00:56:49
Speaker 6: But it didn't pay out like that.
00:56:51
Speaker 2: It didn't so well.
00:56:52
Speaker 5: Congratulations and enjoy retirement.
00:56:54
Speaker 2: Brother. That's right.
00:56:55
Speaker 5: It's Terrence Budder Crawford. We appreciate you for joining us.
00:56:58
Speaker 3: I do I guess one more?
00:57:03
Speaker 1: Do you do you think boxing was your purpose or was it simply the vehicle to get you to your purpose?
00:57:08
Speaker 3: Do you even know what you think what your purpose is?
00:57:11
Speaker 2: I think two things, because I always say I was born a fighter, you know, and I think boxing was part of my purpose. But I think my purpose is, you know, giving back to the community and and the and the kids and the youth. I think that's my purpose.
00:57:33
Speaker 5: M hmm, well, thank you again. It's Terrence Bud Crawford. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Yes, every day.
00:57:42
Speaker 3: Up the Breakfast Club.
00:57:44
Speaker 2: Finish, y'all done.
Speaker 1: Every day waiting click your ass up the Breakfast Club.
00:00:05
Speaker 2: You don't finish for y'all done.
00:00:08
Speaker 3: Morning.
00:00:09
Speaker 4: Everybody is DJ Envy, just Hilaris Charlamage and the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed, you want to sit in that seat now, because you know you get to pick what seat.
00:00:18
Speaker 1: You want to see the undisputed champion of the world. Okay, one of the greatest ever doing.
00:00:22
Speaker 3: Just said whatever.
00:00:23
Speaker 5: I want to make sure you want to sit in your seat again. I want to make sure.
00:00:26
Speaker 3: Look like you're ready to fight now. I thought you were. You're usually are bulky when you're not, you know.
00:00:30
Speaker 2: And I'm losing weight right now for what, Just because it's getting my body together, you know, fast and a little bit.
00:00:36
Speaker 3: Oh somebody been talking too much too much.
00:00:44
Speaker 5: First of all, how you feeling, brother?
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Speaker 2: I feel great? You feel great? You know. I'm I'm happy around, man, I'm living a life from traveling, seeing the world and next word, better life. Right now.
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Speaker 5: People always asking are you coming back to do you have that itch at all?
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Speaker 3: Just step down for a second, man, I'm just asking.
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Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't you know, I don't have the desire to do anything no more, not that I can't, It's just what I did everything. And then I look back and say, ain't nobody gonna be able to replicate a retirement in a career like I've done?
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Speaker 5: So are you still training? Though I'm not, don't even train.
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Speaker 2: Train at all? Like I work out from time to time, like in the gym, but like as far as boxing, you.
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Speaker 5: Don't miss it at all.
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Speaker 6: His whole life.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been doing that seven. I think I'm gonna go back to the gym, do a little couple of training, you know here soon, probably a month or two.
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Speaker 1: How does that feel to when you're a person who spent their whole life preparing for fights?
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Speaker 3: Did you prepare for retirement the same way?
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Speaker 2: I didn't? I didn't, you know the Canelo fight. Already knew that I was gonna be my last fight. But I never sat down and was like, what I'm gonna do with Ohama, prepare for retirement and things like that. It's just with something that God laid on my shoulders and boom. I just handled it as it came.
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Speaker 7: It was dope the way you did the video. But after the Canelo fight, you're saying you already had it in mind that you was gonna be done.
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Speaker 6: But was there a.
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Speaker 7: Battle, like a struggle after that fight, like, man, do I really want to be done?
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Speaker 2: Like?
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Speaker 6: Do I have another one in me? Did you have that that moment?
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Speaker 2: Not at all, Not at all, because my mind was already made up, so everything else just fell into place.
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Speaker 7: But with their offers like the Turkey, I ain't getting nothing for no other fight, So that's BS people saying, no, he got a nod for to fight Canelo and the rematch for X amount of dollars or boots or yes, we ain't.
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Speaker 2: Never even had a conversation about rematch with Canelo, boots or no anybody else.
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Speaker 1: What's to prepare your mind emotionally, emotionally or financially when it comes to retirement.
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Speaker 2: I would say emotionally. Financially that's always be there, that's there every day. But you battling emotions every day, every second. So I say emotion.
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Speaker 1: Because you still gotta But you still got to have the money to retire, Yeah for sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've been doing it for thirty years. Money being secure, yeah.
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Speaker 7: Not only making money though, But you people don't know you you purchased a lot of properties in different states, so you've been preparing to be financially free for Yeah.
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Speaker 2: For sure, for sure. Like before the Spense fight, I told people like, I don't got a box no more. I do this because I want to do it. You know, y'all do it because y'all have to do it. It's a reason why I can fight one time a year and be comfortable with not fighting because I don't have to do it. So after the Spence fight, yeah, that just kind of pulled me to another level. Then Mage them off, then Canelo and it's like I really really really need to don't have to have my kids work no more, you know, after the Canelo fight. So that's just b I scene and putting it in the work before I have to do everything else.
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Speaker 8: What were the lessons that you learned on that the business side of it that made you think like that, like you're naming your kids not fighting no more. You don't have to fight. But like a lot of people don't get the money business side of it right. What lesson taught you to get it right?
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Speaker 2: Paying attention to the wealthy people, you know, looking at all my people and all the people that had the world in their hands and was successful and went broke. Looking at the things that they did wrong, paying attention to history. History always repeat itself if you pay attention. So when you look at all these athletes that I had a lot of money and a lot of fame and every everything given to him, and you see what they did with the money, then you say Dan and I remember this guy was the man and he had millions. Now look at him. I don't want to be like him. I don't want to work my whole life fighting for something and then lose it all and then everybody be like man, I remember, I don't want to be that person.
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Speaker 1: You seem like you live a very modest life though, Yeah, for sure, for sure he'll buy a fishing rod before you buy a Bentley.
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Speaker 2: Yeah I ain't everybody. I got a Mercedes.
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Speaker 7: You know, when you build the nice house, money in your house.
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Speaker 2: But that's the investment, you know, I look at it. You know, a house as an investment.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know.
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Speaker 2: I'm not spending no crazy amount of money on cars and jewelry and unnecessary thing. So that's just me.
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Speaker 7: Did you have a mentor, like somebody that like gave you the game outside the ring.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a few mentors, you know, when talking to them and them telling me like, hey, save your money, save your money, like everybody always preached that.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, but people say that, but then other people say, don't save your money, put it on the street, like investing in stuff, because sitting in the back it ain't gonna.
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Speaker 3: Work for you.
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Speaker 2: That's still saving your money. That's you know, you're putting your money to work, saving your money. It's not wasting it. You're not going out just splurging and spending it like they grow on trees, you know. When I was younger, See, I never had a problem with saving my money. You know. I was always the one, Oh he dusty, he dusty, but I had a pocket full of money. I was. I was that that guy, you know what I mean. And my coach used to always tell me, like, man, what you're gonna do around all that money? Tomorrow I ain't promised. You need to start spending some of that money. And I start looking at it like, dangn you're right, because we don't know what tomorrow holds. So while we all saving, saving, saving, we need to live life a little bit as well. But that don't mean be you know, stupid with your money. You know, be smart, enjoy yourself when you can, but make sure that as much as you spending, you're recouping at the same time. That way you have a balance.
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Speaker 3: I see you spent.
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Speaker 1: You seem to spend a lot of money on experiences, for sure, like traveling for sure.
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Speaker 2: For sure. You know, I'll spend my money on going to a different country, learning history and learning something and things that don't matter tomorrow, you know, taking my kids out to a different country. They're gonna remember that for the rest of their life, and they're gonna cherish that, you know, me seeing you know, something that I would have never thought i'd see in a different country and learning something, then I come back to the States with a different perspective. I appreciate that more than anything.
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Speaker 1: How do you make sure your family inherence financial literacy and not just the money that you're gonna leave.
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Speaker 2: Just teach them, you know, you gotta, like like I was taught, You gotta teach them. You gotta, you know, let them know, like hey, listen, for every dollar that you use, you know, that's a dollar you need to make best right or you know, like money don't grow on trees, like I said before, And you gotta you gotta help them understand because they don't underderstand because of the time that they was brought into this world, they never had to worry about. And for me, I spoiled them. So now I'm in a phase of not giving them everything that they want.
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Speaker 9: Why do parents do that?
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Speaker 8: Like you spoil them and then you try to unspoil them. Why don't just balance it from the beginning.
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Speaker 2: It's not because for me, I always wanted them to have what I didn't. I never wanted them to have to worry about what I had to worry about. So for me, that's what my spoiledness came from. Like here, man, y'all ain't gotta worry about nothing. The clothes, the shoes, the phones, the games, like everything that y'all want, y'all got because I sacrificed, you know, so y'all can have the luxury life that I never had.
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Speaker 5: But you know, for granted.
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Speaker 2: There you go, so then you start looking at it, this phone break, this phone break, this game system break. Then it becomes oh, well, my dad got money, here'll buy me another one. And then you start looking back and you. Okay, No, they ain't appreciative.
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Speaker 5: They know it's a little bit for you. It's like meave your lights to it.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, on the daytime doing that, that's what. Yeah, that too.
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Speaker 7: So hurts you a little bit to say no. Finally, like if one of yourselves or something.
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Speaker 2: You're good with it. No. So my daughter, she she always she always asked me. I said, man, why I feel like you using me? I said, don't don't don't use me. Don't do that to me. What she said, you know, I love you. I said, man, you only try to be nice and and do all this extra stuff when you want something, what you want. You know, I already know they want something. My daughters. My daughters all do the same thing. And I telling them, like, don't do that to me. You know what I mean. You don't gotta love all up on me when you want something, to do that naturally, you know. Yeah. My boys they just like whatever. You know, boys they wild animals.
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Speaker 5: Man, your kids want the box.
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Speaker 2: No, they did at first, but now they wrestling, still playing basketball.
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Speaker 7: You just they just went to it was Africa with you, like you took them with you on the strip. But what is that experience like like seeing your kids seeing the world and seeing these different cultures, Like they.
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Speaker 2: Ain't gonna appreciate it until they get a little older, you know, going to see the pyramid and want to see Tanzania and beautiful. Yeah, they ain't gonna. They ain't gonna.
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Speaker 6: They don't realize what they're experiencing right now because they show their oh really, or they were acting up.
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Speaker 2: Man. I took their phones and every day took their TV. They ain't have no TV Africa, Man, they show that what they do fifteen now he ten and twelve.
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Speaker 3: No, they gonna appreciate it. I'm sure you already notice it.
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Speaker 1: Now it'll be a regular casual conversation and they'll be talking about Africa like it's nothing.
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Speaker 6: They don't.
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Speaker 5: They must have been out there just on their phone the whole time.
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Speaker 2: No, they just was tripping, not listening, fighting each other, getting into it with each other, just doing the most. And I'm like, man, like y'all way in Africa trying to like argue and fight with each other, being irritating to each other, like do that at home? Like I always tell them that, like when we all in public, like you know, y'all don't fight with each other, like y'all do that back at home or behind closed doors. But some boys like, all.
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Speaker 3: Right, another thing I like about you too?
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Speaker 1: You never left Omaha, right, like emotionally, like like why was it important to bill where you came from instead of chasing somewhere else?
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Speaker 3: Like everybody like to run the Vegas when they box them.
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Speaker 2: Because when you look at those bigger cities, somebody made them cities pop. Somebody put those cities on the map to make people want to be appreciative and happy where they're from. You know, I'm from Omaha, the place that they said it's on the corn, you know. But when they come to Omaha, they see a different side that they never thought that they'll see. It's like, man, y'all got black people here, y'all got a city here, y'all got this, y'all got that, and it's like yeah, like it's just like any other city, you know. And not only that, you see those little kids that look up to you and they like, man, if he can do what I can do, and you give him a hope, and you see them start working towards they dreams and they goals and whatever it is, and you would be the big inspiration for those little kids. And that's the reason, the main reason why I haven't moved. I still live there and I'm still active in the neighborhood.
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Speaker 5: I see you doing an analyst thing. Do you enjoy that?
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Speaker 2: It's cool? It's cool. I was nervous. I don't know why, but.
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Speaker 5: I mean, what made you nervous?
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Speaker 4: Because this is what you do. You I'm sure you can see it before any other analysts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know. It's just a different lane, different lanes. So I think this, this next one is gonna be better. I felt like I was getting better as we go.
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Speaker 5: Do you practice at home?
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Speaker 4: Do you watch old fights and just act like you did to make sure you got to know?
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Speaker 1: They got mad at you when you was bringing down Boots fight the other day though, Yeah, I don't know what the commentary. I mean, I heard the commentary, but I didn't understand what made them so upset about it. I said, you was hating.
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Speaker 2: I'm always hating. If I say something, I'm hating on on Boots, but it is what it is. They gonna say what they're gonna say, because you know they been putting my name with Boots name for years, like to boost him, you know, so they're using my name to catapult him.
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Speaker 7: So you saw you saw the clip I'm pretty sure on online where they was asking him who's easy work?
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Speaker 6: And he said that you were easy work? Did you see that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: What? What?
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 6: What do you feel when you see something like that? I don't feel nothing.
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Speaker 2: Like I was easy work?
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Speaker 7: Then you know his mental but you you gave him his props on the wind with Xander. You just the one thing you said, I'm people don't understand.
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Speaker 6: I'm just ten steps ahead of you. Like that. That was a statement like, yeah, you did your thing, but you still can't for me. It was that like a little.
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Speaker 2: Man listen man, Like I said, I'm retired and there's no need to keep going back and forth with somebody that I ain't gonna.
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Speaker 6: But is he the face of boxing now?
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Speaker 2: No? Canelos still face box? For sure? Like I've been dealing with this type of stuff for years, He's just getting a glimpse of it. You know. He everybody is onto his his his train. I'm gonna say they jumping on this train, you know. But he don't know that those same people is gonna be turning against him and in a minute, you know what I mean. And then he's going to be at a point where he's gonna be like, dang, I'm talented, but I'm not getting any credit. Oh well, everything I do they say, oh, you're supposed to do that. Every person I be, they're gonna be like, oh, are you supposed to be He's gonna get to that point where he's going to be like, then it's going to be another fighter that come along, and they're gonna start comparing him to him, and then they're gonna start taking all the credit away from him. Now people gonna some people are gonna give him credit, you know. But he's gonna deal with the same thing that Floyd dealt with, Terrence Crawford deal with, Andrew Wards right now, and history gonna repeat itself. You know. He's gonna deal with the same things that everybody before him dealt with, and then he's gonna have to handle that.
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Speaker 3: What makes somebody to face a boxing.
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Speaker 2: What you generate, you know, Like I look at Canelo like he moves the needle no matter who he fight, where he fight, you know, and that's you know, what I would consider the face of boxing. Like when Floyd came around, like you knew, like Floyd was there, like Canelo. Yeah, you know, you gotta give him his credit.
00:17:50
Speaker 1: But it's got to be more than that though, right, because I mean, you never moved the needle like that pay per view wise.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you look at when you look at me, I wasn't molded and marketed like them. You know, I didn't have the backing like them, but I had the name. People would say, oh, well, you wasn't a big name, and you wasn't. How come I wasn't. Anybody I fought made the highest payday in their career. Anybody that I fought had well, outside of Canelo had the highest ratings. Even Canelo this last fight the highest ratings that he ever had, the highest you know.
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Speaker 7: Views, man, just I think that's the highest payday Canelo ever got against it.
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Speaker 2: Like, when you look at it, you just say, Okay, well why he didn't get that with these other guys.
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Speaker 3: I mean, to me, that was the fight, right, Like to me, those are the two faces of boxing.
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Speaker 1: When you'all thought, so, I got gotta be more than just pa.
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Speaker 6: But you gotta do something in a ring too, You got fight.
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Speaker 2: You gotta have a dance partner like I hate when pe Boom like try to diminish one fighter to big up another fighter and say, oh, well, this fighter is the one reason why he did all these numbers and why they sold so much. Okay, So if that's the case, why he didn't do that with this guy or this guy or this guy or this guy? Answer that.
00:19:20
Speaker 6: That's what I say about Floyda.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I love Floyd, but people always talk about Floyd is a pay per view king. But every time he did it, he had to have a fighter that came with a whole country. McGregor came with Ireland, you know, PACKI came with the Philippines. Canelo came to Mexico. So it wasn't like he to your point, he needed that. All fighters need that other the villain of that dance.
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Speaker 2: You got to. You got to. You know. It's kind of like any sport when you have two powerhouse football teams going head to head, that's just gonna make the views even more because the level of intense that he does going into the game. The same way with basketball, if the Lakers was playing the Celtics in the NBA Finals, it's gonna be massive, you know, so.
00:20:12
Speaker 9: For Boots, then who is that fight?
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Speaker 6: Then?
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Speaker 8: Like that would get him to the point where you would even consider him face of boxing.
00:20:18
Speaker 2: And he's gonna have to do a lot of work. You know, he haven't even scratched the surface on becoming the face of boxing yet.
00:20:27
Speaker 5: Now you mentioned Floyd.
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Speaker 4: Do you think all the stuff that's going on with Floyd hurts his legacy because we talk more about finances the exhibition fights, but nobody necessarily talks about him his legacy and the wins and all that.
00:20:42
Speaker 5: What's your thoughts on that.
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Speaker 2: I don't think what he's going through hurt anything, because everything that he's going through is speculation. You know, nobody really personally know what he's going through. We see things on social media and then they run with it. They say, oh, well, Floyd is Floyd that Floyd Floyd broke. Come on now, Floyd ben broke. I just can't see that. If a person that was a billionaire is worth five hundred million, now, oh he's broke because he's not a billionaire, and he broke to me, right, he broke to nobody. You know, a person that can do what he want, when you want, and how you want. It's not broke to me, so I just don't get into that. I don't understand why people they take a narrative and then they run with it and don't know what's going on.
00:21:37
Speaker 7: I think because he always leads with money, right, everything is showing money, like he's on the court side, you know, pulling out bags of cash. So if that's almost like that's what validates him. And I'm not throwing shot at Floyd's career. He's one of the goats right in the ring, no doubt, but it seems like he needed that validation from the social media that I have money.
00:21:59
Speaker 6: So I think that's that's why it is affecting them more than anything.
00:22:01
Speaker 2: I think it was just that he just sold people a lifestyle. But you know, he sold people a lifestyle to get them in tune with his personal life and the things outside of the ring, because people will call them boring. So then he made people tune in by taking his lifestyle into perspective of the person that he is. And some people hated them for it and some people criticized them for it, and that's what made him a bigger superstar in the game because people like, oh man, I want to have money like Floyd. I want to dry these cars like Floyd that lifestyle. He sold the lifestyle.
00:22:48
Speaker 6: But what is it?
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Speaker 7: What do you know about Floyd that most people don't know. I know you developed a better relationship with him over the years later on in your career like that.
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Speaker 6: Maybe people a misconception.
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Speaker 2: Of Floyd Man floyda cool dude. You know, Like a lot of people will say he want to be the center attention and things like that. But I never want to be the center. So it don't fake me like you have that, you know what I mean. But like Floyd Man, like I appreciate him because like he'll just hit me up out the blue. How you how you're the family. Don't want nothing, just just checking on me.
00:23:21
Speaker 6: Nothing to do with box, nothing to do with boxing.
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Speaker 2: Like he'll just call me, how you doing, How the family? How the kids? You know, how to health? Everything? Good? All right? I don't want nothing. I'm just checking on your family, you know, like when I'm in Vegas here, but like come come, come to the skate ring. We're gonna be skating.
00:23:40
Speaker 7: You know you're here, like just you know, so you get upset where people like Baracking myself do fantasy matchups with you and Floyd.
00:23:47
Speaker 6: Does that bother you?
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Speaker 2: No, because that's just what boxing is. You know, people compare Jordan and Lebron. I'm pretty sure Jordan's get tired of hearing comparisons with him and Lebron, But at the same time they compare him to somebody before him. It's gonna happen to sport. I don't get mad, and I'm pretty sure you don't either.
00:24:10
Speaker 3: Do you ever do that to yourself? Though?
00:24:11
Speaker 1: Like, do you ever hear those conversations and be like, what, what what would that fight look like?
00:24:15
Speaker 3: Of course?
00:24:16
Speaker 2: Okay, of course me as a competitor.
00:24:18
Speaker 3: Of course, has he ever beat you in your in your mind?
00:24:20
Speaker 2: For me?
00:24:20
Speaker 1: No, So you know what that fight would look like if y'all thought, yeah.
00:24:29
Speaker 2: For sure, definitely and then played it out and pictured all that.
00:24:35
Speaker 3: So how would have it gone? How would have it gone? Would have gone?
00:24:39
Speaker 6: For me?
00:24:40
Speaker 2: To know?
00:24:41
Speaker 5: Nobody to find out?
00:24:44
Speaker 9: You talk much about to get back in the gym a little bit.
00:24:46
Speaker 2: No, no, no, nothing like that. I just.
00:24:52
Speaker 1: Congrats on your SQ win too. That's but once again I saw folks questioning that. They said that your victory over Canelo one of the one of boxings defining moments, but the debate is whether that one accomplishment should outweigh fighters who competed more often and delivered a strongle overall body or work like who.
00:25:13
Speaker 2: I don't know, there you go. That's just you know, somebody that's picking up the keyboard and say, let me hate on Terrence Crawford. I don't think he should have got this with one fight, Okay, So, like I said, who was more deserving?
00:25:30
Speaker 6: Because you took the fight defined good.
00:25:33
Speaker 2: Fighter that was lined up against me should have deserved it.
00:25:41
Speaker 7: I mean that that fight is so defining that people would talk about it twenty years from now because of the weight jump and the big fight. So I can't even think of I mean respect to all the fighters that won big fights last year, but I can't think of anything that's either close.
00:25:55
Speaker 6: So I don't know who's saying that.
00:25:58
Speaker 2: It's crazy, because, like I said it, I don't think nobody it's going to be able to retire in this magnitude, jumping up two way divisions, beating the guy that was undefeated in his division, no rehydration clause for undisputed, he had all the belts, not only that walking away win in every award there is. So that's a clean slate from Fighter of the Year with ASPS, b W A, A ring, just everything, and to be able to say, all right, y'all, I'm out.
00:26:45
Speaker 1: I learned my lesson. I only doubt and that was against Earl. I just I just thought that you and I just thought Earl would.
00:26:51
Speaker 3: Get the other hand. But you know, clearly you changed the trajectory of his whole career. Do you ever think about that?
00:26:59
Speaker 2: No?
00:27:02
Speaker 3: But I ask you why though?
00:27:03
Speaker 2: Remember when I when I say here, I'm just like, why you like feel that way? Like I just felt like and I told you, I felt like y'all was just going off of what everybody else was saying and not looking at boxing as a whole. You know, he was promoted in a light to where everybody jumped on the bandwagon and everybody followed on and things like that.
00:27:30
Speaker 3: But definitely.
00:27:32
Speaker 2: So people didn't look at the detail, like why do I feel like he's going to beat this guy? People didn't look at it. And I just aw every person that I felt that was man enough to tell me I think he going beat I'm like, why why do you think that? Like I never get mad over somebody's opinion.
00:27:54
Speaker 5: You know, why is that? Because most people are getting pissed the.
00:27:57
Speaker 2: F off because everybody got opinion. That's just like if I play basketball and somebody was like, oh, man, I think such such team gonna be dripped, Like, oh that's cool, we'll see you know, and then you're gonna have shit on your face when you lose, when you when you was wrong about your opinion. But at the same time, I just tell me, why why did you think that way?
00:28:18
Speaker 3: Did you think he was gonna win in such of course commanded?
00:28:22
Speaker 1: Of course that was different. Man, I'm gon watching boxing a long time. That was a different That was different.
00:28:27
Speaker 2: Bro, Go to the first twenty sixteen when I first came to the division, just twenty sixteen, when I first started talking about it. He's the boogey man. I want to fight the boogeyman. I want to fight the Keith Thurmans and Danny Garcias. I want to fight all of them, you know. And then when the fights start getting momentum and people start talking about it, It's not going to be a fight that y'all think it is. I've been saying that for years, for years before the accident. Before that when we bet, when he said bet one hundred thousand, I said bet a million because I was that much confidence than him that I was gonna, you know, do what I do.
00:29:16
Speaker 4: What makes you since you were tired, now, so you can explain what makes you so confident in such a greater fighter?
00:29:22
Speaker 5: What did you know? What did you see?
00:29:24
Speaker 2: Styles? See? I've been watching him since he was in the amateurs, you know, and I knew that my style and his style. My style was just more superior, you know he was he was more flat footed, he was more come straightforward, he was more telegraphing with his shots, and I just knew my style was a bad matchup for him.
00:29:51
Speaker 7: And people say that, you know, your big fights came later on your career, but when you got to the division, when you beat Jeff horn Right to become waltweight champ, I wanted those fights right away. So because you were top ranked, was is it true that al Hamman kind of iced you out where you couldn't get any of those PBC fighters, Like that's what really happened. That's the reason those fights didn't hapen. It's not because you didn't.
00:30:13
Speaker 2: Want them, of course, man, everybody you know like, we're not about to go over there and fight that dude, but like for what?
00:30:20
Speaker 6: So I was protecting all of his water weight.
00:30:22
Speaker 2: Like ou didn't want me to fight Spence. You didn't want that fight, you know, but you know Spence wanted it. I wanted it, and the fight had to happen, right, The fight had to happen. But like you got, you got all these fighters over here in your stable, and you got two fighters over here in this stable. One of those fighters goes to this stable with all these guys. So now you're over there by yourself. We em gotta fight him. We can round.
00:31:01
Speaker 6: Robing each other, all the money and honey in the.
00:31:03
Speaker 2: House and starve him over there. He ain't got it do nothing with us over here. And that's how it was.
00:31:10
Speaker 6: The cream overs to the top.
00:31:12
Speaker 4: What did you think about that alleged audio of al him and them talking about which sounded crazy what they can do to the box and the amount of power they have.
00:31:21
Speaker 6: Well, and now him is supposed audio. Did you did you hear that? Man?
00:31:27
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was real or legio.
00:31:30
Speaker 6: Yeah, it wasn't confirmed to be real.
00:31:33
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, that's why I said a lesson.
00:31:35
Speaker 6: Yeah, it sounds crazy, you do.
00:31:36
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about twenty twenty one when you're fighting Sean Porter, right if that comes across my timeline all the time, right, and you're sitting down in the corner, and your team tells you that you lose it.
00:31:46
Speaker 3: And I don't remember you losing, so I had to go look it up.
00:31:49
Speaker 1: But all the judges had you up on the scorecards. Then you're going there and you finished Sean Porter in the tenth Why did they tell you were losing?
00:31:58
Speaker 3: And what was your mindset when you heard that?
00:32:01
Speaker 2: They didn't tell me I was losing. I told them they had me down because.
00:32:05
Speaker 3: I thought one of somebody in the audience.
00:32:08
Speaker 6: Was it your core? Who was it?
00:32:10
Speaker 2: Nobody?
00:32:13
Speaker 6: Like you said, he wasn't looking at his people.
00:32:17
Speaker 2: Two people, you know. I'm like, I'm chilling as you can see. I'm like, what's up. They're like looking. I'm like, man, what's they like?
00:32:27
Speaker 8: No?
00:32:29
Speaker 2: They like here he up? So I'm like hold up, So I look he up. They're like, man, you gotta go. I'm like he up. And they was like I'm like oh. The first thing that came to mind was they trying to rob me. They're trying to take it away from you. So I'm like, man, you can't let them take it away from you no matter what, Like go out there and you know, go eat. So that was just my mental either I'm about to get you where you're gonna get me, but I'm about to step to you, and yeah, step up the pace.
00:33:04
Speaker 7: Once you find out that that you were up in the cars and you go back to that person like, yo, why did you say that to about the person in the audience that told him that he was down?
00:33:14
Speaker 2: No, because they don't know.
00:33:16
Speaker 6: Oh, it was just that I was watching score cards because.
00:33:21
Speaker 2: You know when you look at the broadcast and you hear what they're talking about, and they didn't want it to be a case where it was a close fight and people can say, oh, man, you lost that fight or that fight could have went either way, and you have to face the critics and all that. So I have conversations like, man, why do you say that they played out the way it played out?
00:33:51
Speaker 1: Speaking of I guess my mindset is, so if you know that you can go in and ring and do that.
00:33:59
Speaker 3: Always, if you could just go if you knew I could, I could go take him out right now. You knock him down twice in the time. Why didn't you just do that much early?
00:34:09
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I was just coasting and that and that Sean Porter fight. See me like I always had a problem with I want to hurt you, you know, but I don't have no ill will to hurt you. It's kind of hard, you know what I mean. So I'm sitting up there, I'm just like, I'm in control. I know I'm winning. But then when it's like they trying to take it from you, then a different side of me kick in. It's like, oh, yeah, we got it. We gotta get it in.
00:34:42
Speaker 1: So if you're cool with Shan is a cool dude, pops man cool. So when you're cool with people, you're like, I can't. I don't want to go do them dirty.
00:34:49
Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, I don't want to do your that's crazy. That was cool. Like I was cool with Ray Bell Tron, you know, I was cool with Sean. I was cool. We'll image them off, you know. Canelo was cool and then four fights that went to the distance.
00:35:07
Speaker 5: He asn't cool with Space No no no.
00:35:09
Speaker 2: Men me and Spence's I respect him, but I won't say we was cool, you know what I mean, Like leading up to the fight, I won't say we was cool, but we respect each other as man, as competitors and things like that. But it was too much riding on that fight. I'm like, man, I gotta do something to this.
00:35:32
Speaker 7: You know, you're the first fighter to really be honest about that, like about being cool with a fighter and liking them personally to the point where it does affect you a little bit, like in wanting to hurt that person, because fighters be like, nah, when the bell ring, all that go out the window. But you still, like Sewan, I know you, you always say, like showing the last dude, I want to fight in the watway because I like the dude, Like I don't really want to want to hurt him. So you needed that motivation from the audience to actually do what you did.
00:35:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, we grew up together. Like god. I still to this day, I always tell Sean I didn't want to fight him really, yeah, Like I've never seen myself fighting him because you know, when we grew up, I was at one thirty two, he was at one sixty five. Oh yeah he was you know what I mean. So growing up in a professional game. It's like y'all never was calling for me to fight Sean when he was WBC champion. Nobody never said nothing about Terrence Crufford and Sean Porter fight until he falls. Spence And I told him, I said, man, they just trying to gauge you. You know, they not really, They just using you as a piece of meat to see you know how it's gonna turn out. And praying and hoping and wishing that you beat me and then you and Arrow can get y'all rematch. They ain't gonna have it happen.
00:36:51
Speaker 7: Speaking of Arrow, like, I gotta ask you, his fight was slated to be at one fifty eight against him Zu, and ten days before the fight, I'm hearing that his team records stick for the fight to be at one sixty right? Is that a bad sign that he that he's struggling to make weight? I mean it seems that way.
00:37:08
Speaker 2: It could be two things. He's been out the ring for so long, his body just not reacting like it normally would. And bad thing is that he ain't ready. No, but I think he ready.
00:37:27
Speaker 6: Do you think he wins that fight?
00:37:29
Speaker 2: Yeah? I gotta win it.
00:37:30
Speaker 6: I'm going going out there. Do you think he stops Simseu.
00:37:35
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think both of them there's a good fight for both of them in the stage of their career right now. I think both of them can hurt each other, and I think it's gonna be an entertaining fight. But I think arrow skills should take him to success in this.
00:37:54
Speaker 7: You think he could come back to be one of the biggest names in the sport like he once was. I mean, how many fights, Like let's say he washes Tim Zu, does he have to win another big fight to be considered like a big name in the sport again.
00:38:07
Speaker 6: Because people writing.
00:38:08
Speaker 7: Them off, they're talking about the accident a lot of people. Some people don't even give you credit for that win because of the accident. But he won two fights. But I'm saying no, I'm saying the accident came before. But but he won two fights after the accident. He beat who got saying Danny Garcia and nobody mentioned an accident. Then they just started mentioning it after you beat him.
00:38:33
Speaker 2: It's gonna be like that. But if you look at all my fights, you will see that there's always something. It don't matter what it is It's all man, it's because this guy is this guy is this guy? Alright? Cool? So I came to the conclusion that there's gonna always be something. So I just accepted before it even happened. Before the Canelo fight, y'all, see what I said. I said, I said everything that they're gonna say. Before the Spence fight, I said everything that was gonna say. You know, I start predicting everything that they're gonna say and preparing for and it's like when they say, it's like you saying everything that I knew you was gonna say before. I could have pushed the fight Spence before he came back, and then everybody was saying, all he came off of accident when he fought, when he fought Danny Garcia, I said, you're not ready yet. I went to Dallas to watch him fight.
00:39:39
Speaker 6: Oh really, or you say he not ready for you?
00:39:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say he not ready. I said, let him, you know, keep training and things like that. I got into it with a couple of his friends and stuff like that. We're going back and forth. I'm like, all right, you know, let him fight again. So after the ooh go fight, I'm like, all right now, it's time everybody say, he looked at you, he's good, Let's fight. I don't ever want to fight you at your your least best. I want to fight you at the best.
00:40:08
Speaker 1: What advice do you give your court, because I feel like your core has adopted a lot of your mindset, especially when it comes to critics, because people say the same thing about your court, like they'd be like, oh, he's boring. You know, you don't have no knockout power, but I think he's just a great, technically skilled boxer. What advice do you give him about.
00:40:26
Speaker 2: Just keep doing what you're doing or don't worry about what everybody else talking about. They're gonna watch you anyway. You know, you just that much talented and more superior than the people that you in the ring with that they're going to criticize you when you that much above your competition, They're going to criticize you no matter what me. I'm here and they feel like, oh everybody you feel I thought is B level, C level fighters, But they wasn't that when they was coming into the the ring to fight me, right, But once I fight him and I dismantled him, and the fashion that I do then they say, oh, he wasn't that good. He went that good. But before the fight, everybody was saying, all this dude about to knock you out, this dude, this, this dude too big, this dude, you know, too talented. But then afterwards they like, man, that wasn't even no close fight. So then they gotta criticize you of oh, man, he ain't for nobody. His resume is this, his resume is that, And it's like, okay, cool, Like, I don't knock what you're saying.
00:41:38
Speaker 5: What do you think next fight should be?
00:41:41
Speaker 2: Who? I wouldn't see him in? Devin, I think I think that's gonna be the fight.
00:41:51
Speaker 9: I thought that's how he signed the agreement to the fight, right.
00:41:54
Speaker 6: No, that it's how for boxing. But Devin supposed he's gonna sign with them, so it seems like.
00:42:00
Speaker 2: It's gonna be. Listen, Devin Kishan, Devin Shakur, Devin Tank, like Devin in a great spot right now. You know, Devin got a lot of good options. Devin Ryan after him, and rolely Devin Connor Band Like Devin got a lot of opportunities right now, and so do all those guys because they all can fight each other you know, so I think that number of individuals they can rhynd Robin except but everybody else.
00:42:43
Speaker 7: How do you think Ryan and kind of band just got announced? Like, how do you think that fight plays out?
00:42:46
Speaker 2: Man? I think it's gonna be a better fight than people think.
00:42:50
Speaker 6: People picking a lot, most people picking Ryn.
00:42:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the skill level. You know, we know Connor started boxing late. We know Connor get reckless, we know Connor opens up. We know Ryan can catch you with that speed and that power with the left left hook. But what if he don't land the left hook. We see what Rowley did, and Rowley didn't start boxing at a young age, you know, And if Connor can take the same approach that Roly did and not get hit with the big shots, then we might see a different fight than we we expected.
00:43:33
Speaker 7: Oh, Connor McGregor, You said, Connor, you guys went back and forth. He claims that you will offer one hundred million dollars to fight him.
00:43:40
Speaker 6: In the ring and for the cage and then in the boxing ring. Right, that's what he said. What's your take on what just happened to him in the cage?
00:43:50
Speaker 2: Nothing, that's just a freak accident. The injury you know, you can't. You can't prepare for that, Like you go throw a kick and you're getting injured without even landing anything. That's that's just like when my my bro Steven, he was sparing and he was bouncing and popped, he popped his achille out of nowhere, know nothing, you know, So you just can't prepare for things like that.
00:44:16
Speaker 6: People saying that he had the injury already, right, like.
00:44:19
Speaker 2: Nah, nah, if you injured, you ain't. You ain't bouncing around and doing that stuff. But especially before the fight, when him warming up and things like that, you're not doing all that before you go out there, Like this is just a freak accident that just haden.
00:44:35
Speaker 1: What did you think when you saw Shakur and Shannon shop going back and forth? Were you yelling at the laptop?
00:44:42
Speaker 2: I was smiling. I was laughing because Schakor made his point, you know, like Shannon wasn't getting it until he got it, but then it was too late.
00:44:52
Speaker 3: It's like.
00:44:54
Speaker 2: You make it his point even stronger than you know when he said it.
00:44:59
Speaker 3: So I can't tell you about boxing.
00:45:01
Speaker 2: You can't.
00:45:02
Speaker 1: I can't tell I can't tell noney all about boxing, right, That's what y'all do for a living.
00:45:06
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And you know, like just because you older, that don't mean you know you're smarter because you went to college and you got all these degrees and you don't got a degree in boxing. And I love Shannon, you know what I mean? That's it's you know, but hey, you.
00:45:27
Speaker 8: Think should even like it seems like he don't care no more, but should he even care about that narrative?
00:45:31
Speaker 9: Like at this point in his career, Like no.
00:45:33
Speaker 2: No, I always tell him keep doing what you're doing. You know, they can't beat you. When they can't beat you, they want to figure out any and everything to do to make you fight how they want you to fight, but they're not in the ring. The same way with Floyd, all he do is run all that little pity pad that sticking moved, Like no, like you mad because you can't beat like you want me to give you the opportunity to beat me by just standing in front of you and trying to go socking boppers with each other. So you criticize me on my technique and my style because the people that you want to see, when the people that you like can't beat me, it's just simple. They can't beat me, They can't beat him, but he almost did.
00:46:27
Speaker 6: With Peter, he kind of gave into what the people.
00:46:31
Speaker 7: He did, right, he was in the pocket fighting like with a guy that was His volume was crazy, so he gave in a little bit. Did you talk to them after that fight?
00:46:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, we always start, But a part of that was the pay too, though.
00:46:46
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, because he in front of you non stop, you can't.
00:46:49
Speaker 2: It's like these fighters that y'all claim better than him and he don't punch hard, right, well, why ain't nothing one of them just blowing through them. Same way with Floyd. He had that the same thing that Chakoor getting. Floyd was getting. But you never see no fighters just blow through them and just like, oh you don't hit that hard. Let me just walk through everything and just try to knock you out, Like.
00:47:18
Speaker 6: You don't see that?
00:47:19
Speaker 3: Can boxes of it and press critics?
00:47:22
Speaker 2: No, No.
00:47:24
Speaker 8: I think about Clarissa when we had this conversation, because I know people argue all the time, and like, like she didn't get the BT Spirts Women of the Year award and people were like arguing that she shouldn't have and she was listening or and like Pat was listening like her accolades, but it seems like with her, some of those big awards she don't get.
00:47:40
Speaker 9: But we know she's the best at what she does. Like the critics that just love to throw that at her.
00:47:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just you know, women boxing, they always say there's not enough women boxers to make that strong point, so they always try to move the goalpost of her accomplishments, like she accomplished more in boxing than any boxer male or female. Now you can say because it's not that many women boxers in the world, and it's easier to become undisputed, and it's easier. This is easier that, But at the same time, she still did what she had to do. It's not her fault. You know. She's a four time undisputed for a different way class, you know, two time Olympic gold medals, like one loss in her whole career. Like man, the things that she's achieved in the sport of boxing, like we may I don't think we're gonna ever see that done again, you know, And people need to appreciate her, you know, because she takes their approach that every other athlete takes, and that's work, hard, dedicated life and put it all on the table when he beat.
00:49:12
Speaker 5: You know, earlier cham talked about Omaha and you lived in Omaha. You said you never leave. And I remember after you won and you had to parade, they pulled you over. Did you ever think like I missed the Omaha?
00:49:24
Speaker 3: Like why a y'all fucking with me?
00:49:25
Speaker 5: Did you ever think that way at all?
00:49:26
Speaker 2: No? Not at all, not at all. I just felt like, you know, the cop that pulled me over was just you know, on this high horse that just wanted to be known or I don't know, I don't know. I felt like he was just trying to prove a point because he was the only one like everybody else, all the other officers is like, man, just calm down. But I'm like, no, this dude, like who I beat your ass fucking bad?
00:49:58
Speaker 5: But he knew that.
00:49:59
Speaker 2: But that's the but like it just it just pisses me off when people use their authority and abuse it. You know, it's like, you don't gotta do that. You don't gotta talk to me crazy, you don't gotta treat me a certain way, like come.
00:50:18
Speaker 6: On, man, he knew who you was.
00:50:24
Speaker 2: And wasn't something. Yes, hours after the parade, he claimed he didn't know who I was, and he only knew who I was after the altercation.
00:50:36
Speaker 6: That was after the party. But it didn't ruin. You're not you still with someone else. I remember let that.
00:50:41
Speaker 9: But you gotta go through all that and then it's like a seventy five dollars fine I.
00:50:44
Speaker 2: Saw or something like that. There you go, there you go. And that's the way of saying that it was justified. Well, you still did something wrong. All in all, he may have been wrong, but we're gonna make it right because you still broke.
00:50:59
Speaker 6: A law, like speak, did you pay that voc.
00:51:03
Speaker 2: It's like all that seventy five hours, like but.
00:51:07
Speaker 8: Your guarded I saw it still suing the suing Omaha and the police department and stuff like that for violating the constitutional rights they did.
00:51:15
Speaker 2: Like what was the need to bring everybody out the car handcuffing? What do they do? They didn't do nothing?
00:51:25
Speaker 9: Were you guys held that It wasn't that gun point for thirty minutes. It was thirty minutes.
00:51:29
Speaker 2: I was held at god point. But it's like all in all, okay, you got me. You know, you said you see my gun, But what you didn't you know? We told you that we had his gun. Is it's viewable, it's on his chest. I told you I had a gun in the car, Then you go crazy, Cool, it's not illegal for me to have guns. You know, I got a lot of guns. But at the same time, y'all didn't even have a protocol on how y'all react to people with guns. So your thing was to pull your gun because you felt threatened. But why, I'm not in toxic kden I'm not belligerent or anything. You told him you had a firearm, and like, like, what part of me is making you feel threatened. I'm not moving no kind of way to make you feel like I'm reaching for a gun or anything. So I just didn't understand that. You know, why was I getting a gun pointed in my face?
00:52:40
Speaker 1: Well, I want to ask one more questions. Did you retire because there really was nothing else for you to do? Because you said you knew you was gonna retire after Canelo, and then when you announced retirement, people say, nah, you shouldn't retire yet, But nothing they said really made sense, Like did you really retire because you looked at the landscape and You're like, there's nothing else for me to do.
00:53:01
Speaker 2: So if you look at when I retired, I retired after uh, what's his name? I one sixty?
00:53:12
Speaker 6: Who's that one sixty?
00:53:13
Speaker 2: He was supposed to fight. He was supposed to fight my boy from Dominican one sixty.
00:53:21
Speaker 6: He was Domas Carlos. He's supposed to.
00:53:24
Speaker 2: Fart fight a Dominas Jennebeck. Oh, okay, So if you look at the landscape of boxing, right you would say, okay, I'm gonna ask you who would I thought.
00:53:37
Speaker 3: None of the stuff they said made sense. They're talking about ben Vida, then I heard it.
00:53:41
Speaker 6: Heavyweight.
00:53:44
Speaker 1: Then I started jenibate things. Then they were saying Boots okay, none of that made sense to me. And then a Canelo remagical okay, so.
00:53:52
Speaker 2: Canelo that was off the table. You know there was no rematch cause nobody said anything about Canelo. Still to this day, nobody have said nothing about Canelo.
00:54:04
Speaker 6: But would you for him if if the rematch of present.
00:54:07
Speaker 2: If it was, if the rematch clause was in the in the contract, then I would have honored that just off of who I am. Boots wasn't nowhere in the in the word roam of us fighting because it just didn't make sense. Jane back, Like, what would I get out of fighting boots? Paying it for?
00:54:34
Speaker 3: That's really like literally, because that's.
00:54:36
Speaker 2: What I always ask people, what would I get? He ain't no champion, Like what would I get? Like, Oh, you bought you beat the young Lion, that's it. That's it. So every fight that I thought since two thy fourteen being for something, every single fight, either I'm the de fending my title or I'm going to conquer another division for a title, undisputed everything. So I looked at the landscape of everything and I said, okay, Canelo, I'm gonna go one sixty eight boom. Then after that, then what Jannebek was supposed to fight Carlos adamis for his fight his belt. Jannebek had two belts, Carlos had one. That would have been three belts on the line. Whoever would have won that would have fought for the other belt that would have been undisputed. And I won sixty I said, all right, cool, after Canelo be Canelo, and I'm gonna see what they do down here. So then it came out that Jennebek was on performance enhancement, so you know that fight got canceled. I don't know if they did they strip them for a title. I think they stripped them for a title.
00:56:04
Speaker 7: So it's like, all right, So the only way you would have came back, if everybody would have some one person would have came became undisputed at one sixty and you would have fought one more fight to be on distributed in the fifth fourth division.
00:56:18
Speaker 2: So I was just like, man, this really ain't nothing for me to do. No more like that would have been. I'm I'm into making history, making legacy fights. You know, that would have been a historical legacy fight. Oh man, this guy come from one thirty five to one sixty eight then come back down to one sixty again. Yeah wow, coming off the Canelo fight and becoming undisputed.
00:56:49
Speaker 6: But it didn't pay out like that.
00:56:51
Speaker 2: It didn't so well.
00:56:52
Speaker 5: Congratulations and enjoy retirement.
00:56:54
Speaker 2: Brother. That's right.
00:56:55
Speaker 5: It's Terrence Budder Crawford. We appreciate you for joining us.
00:56:58
Speaker 3: I do I guess one more?
00:57:03
Speaker 1: Do you do you think boxing was your purpose or was it simply the vehicle to get you to your purpose?
00:57:08
Speaker 3: Do you even know what you think what your purpose is?
00:57:11
Speaker 2: I think two things, because I always say I was born a fighter, you know, and I think boxing was part of my purpose. But I think my purpose is, you know, giving back to the community and and the and the kids and the youth. I think that's my purpose.
00:57:33
Speaker 5: M hmm, well, thank you again. It's Terrence Bud Crawford. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Yes, every day.
00:57:42
Speaker 3: Up the Breakfast Club.
00:57:44
Speaker 2: Finish, y'all done.
