#56 The Devil is in the Enforcement: Competitors Seek Access to Google Search Data w/ Aurélien Mähl

Discover how the European Commission's decision impacts Google's data-sharing obligations under Article 6(11) of the DMA. In this insightful discussion, we explore the implications for competition and privacy with Aurélien Mähl, Lead Public Policy Manager at DuckDuckGo.Throughout the discussion, we talked about a single decision issued by the European Commission on its specification proceedings against Google under Article 6(11) DMA, find it here: https://ec.europa.eu/competition/digital_markets_act/cases/202637/DMA_100209_2799.pdf.On the episode, Aurélien also touched upon some developments surrounding the search market. Click on them directly via the links below: - 01:11, Google's 2025 DMA compliance workshop: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/events-poolpage/2025-alphabet-dma-compliance-workshop-2025-07-01_en.- 02:10, The US DOJ v. Google Search case: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-wins-significant-remedies-against-google.- 05:23, Google's own red-teaming report on the European Commission's proposed anonymisation measures: https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/google-makes-security-objections-to-eu-order-opening-android-a-32244.- 09:18, The EDPB-EC Joint Guidelines on the interface between the DMA and the GDPR: https://www.edpb.europa.eu/public-consultations/joint-guidelines-on-the-interplay-between-the-digital-markets-act-and-the_en.- 13:14, The European Commission's specification decision against Apple for its interoperability obligation: https://ec.europa.eu/competition/digital_markets_act/cases/202523/DMA_100203_1655.pdf.- 14:30, Judge Mehta in the US orders search remedies in the DOJ case: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-wins-significant-remedies-against-google.- 18:09, The European Commission's DMA review: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_914.-19:53, The European Commission's initial press release on Article 6(11) DMA: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/api/files/document/print/en/ip_26_1634/IP_26_1634_EN.pdf.Key moments00:00 Introduction to the DMA and Google's compliance00:50 Google's initial approach to anonymization02:00 Importance of data for search relevance03:30 The gap in competition policy05:00 New compliance measures and optimism07:30 Technical vs. contractual safeguards10:00 FRAND pricing interpretation12:00 Overlapping remedies in the US and EU15:00 Metrics for assessing enforcement successTo learn more about Dr. Alba Ribera Martínez and her research, we invite you to visit her website: https://www.albariberamartinez.com.She also writes, from time to time, in her newsletter, the DMA Agora, about the latest developments surrounding the European regulation: https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7344021393451184128.________The Binary Agora is on social media, where we upload and comment on dedicated content only for our subscribers. Stay tuned there, as well.- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/thebinaryagora/posts/?feedView=all- BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/thebinaryagora.bsky.social- TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebinaryagora- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebinaryagora/The views and opinions expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the official position of this podcast, its host, or any affiliated organisations.