Five and Dive, Episode 559: I Don't Think Bob's Wrong

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Welcome to episode five fifty nine five and is Thursday,
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July second. I'm your host, Critic Goldstein, joined as usual
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by Patrick Dubuque and Jeffrey pattern Ostro. Where are we
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on the banter front, gentlemen.
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I've just been watching more of the World Cup. It's
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pretty much what I do.
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I am. It wasn't a red card, jeff So, I.
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Was actually going to bring that up because I am not,
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you know, as I have followed soccer for a long time.
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I am.
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I guess one of the people somewhat in charge of
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a national supporters group. I'm in the West app group
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for it, And but I don't like the gate keep
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this stuff. The World Cup's fun. It's good that, like,
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you don't have to commit to anything for soccer past
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this summer. I don't expect you to pick up like
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a Premier League team or an MLS team or whatever.
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But it does kind of annoy me when like Colin
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Cowher is out here talking about soccer without like knowing
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the rules at all.
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Like, right, it's not it's not the fans, but like
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Colin Coward is not a fan, right, He's he's pretending
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to be a source of of knowledge.
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Sure, but like it was it was. Look, I would
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not have called it a red card, but it is
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red cardibal, I guess because like intent doesn't matter in
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this case, it's where are the studs? And is there
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enough force?
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Okay, so I thought, I mean I and again this
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is something I don't know. I thought intent does matter
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in some capacity, and also like it.
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If they weren't, if they were going to give him
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like three games for violent it's not violent contact content conduct, sorry,
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but it's it's you know, it's reckless. It is you
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gotta be in short, it's high up on the leg.
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You got to know where your studs are. Like I
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would not personally have given it as a red card,
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but once they went to bar, like didn't slow motion,
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it was going to be a red under their rules.
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Okay. I I just it felt a lot like the
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flagrant one versus Flagrant two in the NBA, which is
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like intent also doesn't matter, right to be a flagrant
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want one, but it kind of does. I know I'm
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going off memory. I think it does for flagrant two
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or ken sorry doesn't have to, but it can. And
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like it was definitely a car right, like it's yeah,
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it was reckless.
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Sure, right and once you just once you go to
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review it, you have to look at it and be like, Okay,
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the studs are high on like if it's a tackle,
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and I know it's not a tackle, but yeah, if
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the studs are that high on the ankle with that
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much force, it's going to generally get called as a
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red card. I didn't think it was a red card,
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but I think once they went to the once var
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called him over, he didn't really have a choice. But yeah,
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I don't know, Like it's just like I get it right,
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Like Belegan's having a great World Cup. He's gonna be
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out for Belgium. Now it's it sucks, but that's I
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guess that's the hardest part, right, Like the US can
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take me being a true soccer country. Now they've been
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screwed over by the refs in a major tournament, right,
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Like that's that they They've never been good enough to
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actually get screwed over by the rest of a major tournament.
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Now, was like, I'm coming at this. I honestly like,
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I don't even I root for Argentina. So I have
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since I was since my dad brought me home a
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body stud to Jersey when I was very little, Like
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I so there's this is not like homersm for me.
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I just it's accommodation of not fully knowing the rules
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to you can look at it, it didn't feel that way.
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You can look at it in comparison to the messy
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tackle in the first game too, right, like where he
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comes in studs up and I guess like that, I
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think that should have been a yellow too, Like there
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wasn't a lot of force behind it. It was just
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it was clumsy more than violent, which I think was
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true to an extent with the balligan.
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But I do get they don't want people going in.
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Yeah, Like it's like it's like, you know, it's like
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a it's not really a stomp, right, but it kind of.
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Like it was.
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It was just it was a stomp in terms of
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what actually happened. But like he he wasn't. They were
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trying to do something else and got like tangled, right,
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And you'd like you'd like.
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The referees little more discretion. Especially that's what that's where
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I can well cup where they're not calling, they're really
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letting them play. Yeah this world generally, Yeah.
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The US players got we're getting mugged out there. Yeah,
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and it was kind of like, oh, they're letting.
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Him play, okay, letting him play right, But like it's
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again if it's like body to body for the most part,
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like people have been coming through the backs of guys.
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Like you've seen a lot of like midfielders and fours
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come through the back of other midfielders in the middle
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like try to get in the ball, and usually like
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if they if you come through the back of guy,
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even if you've managed to like loose the ball and
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you knock them over, it's generally called yes. I found
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they're just not calling they're letting them. They're letting them
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play pretty physical in this World Cup, which is fine
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as long as it's consistent, right, I mean, but overall
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it's been like all these games have been great outside
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of frank Sweden, but like all these knockout games have
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been like just dramatic, generally well played. I mean, I
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know Paraguay Germany wasn't it was traumatic to watch, but
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it was like it was uh engaged, it was engrossing
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in a way. Yeah, Like it's not even I'm not
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even saying that it's for this, it's for the sickos. Right,
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it's like to go soccer. Yeah, in a lot of ways,
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like it's they call it hair and ball, but like
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it's just Paraguay is going to make this.
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Door was pretty It was over quickly.
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It was over quickly. The Mexico didn't play great, Like
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had some chances to get back in it late in
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the first and just didn't really. But yeah, I'm a
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little in the an. I'm a little disappointed at how
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much it's playing to chalk, even though the chalk is
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generally taking unusual ways to get there in a lot
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of cases.
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Look at looking at you Belgium.
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Okay, at England, looking at you England, England. Yeah, uh
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so we'll see.
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We're gonna have to wake up Patrick. Patrick does not
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Patrick does not consume soccer. Patrick, do you have any panther.
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I'm going to provide an antidote for your guys' discussion
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and return us to a couple of pieces of old favorites,
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coffee and seltzer chat. Okay, First of all, I just
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want to report that my mother and law gave me
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a mug which was entitled mug for a Father's Day.
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That's a self heating Yeah, mataining, which means that my
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instant coffee is always the perfect temperature. I don't know
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if I'm appreciating coffee with Mug the way.
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That she maybe I did enjoy. On Monday, Patrick's like, well,
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I'm not taking the kids to camp, so I can
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start a little early. But I'm well, I'm fine, I
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gotta make coffee, and Patrick's like, so do I And
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I almost text right about like yours is going to
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be done before mine.
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Patrick, Well, I could have been early and just put
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it in Mug. I forgot the other thing. I take
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less pleasure in reporting that there is a I've tried
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a couple of new Seltzer flavors this week. Waterloo has
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come out. I know, Waterloo being perhaps the least popular
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Seltzer company among the group, and I see it.
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I think I've gotten it once or twice, but yeah,
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it's pretty far down order for me.
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It's the most selter like, it's got the most flavor.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's complicated because that's mixing an actual juice.
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I know it is. Yeah. Yeah. So the first one
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I tried was a melon mix that had watermelon candle
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open and honey downey.
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Do you thank you, Jeff, Thank you, Jeff.
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That was a correct flavor.
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Listeners could not see. But Jeff, I wouldn't call it
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total disgust, but it was a combination of disgust and disappointment.
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Yeah, there was some brief confused asperation.
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In minds is that it was a buy three, get
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three free situation.
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And so I a melon, get three different ones.
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I did because I don't I don't want to get
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the three of the same ones. I'll get sick of them.
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I always a variety is important, and so I'm not
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going to buy the melon one again.
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But I mean, halfway through the canon one can of melon,
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I would be sick of it.
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So it's it's definitely one of those ones where you
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have to drink it cold and FI gets.
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Warm thrown out just you know, drink warm seltzer.
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Well, because I'm slow nurse things, you know, I'm working.
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He needs he needs a mug for seltzer.
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But man.
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Can.
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But the flavor I have now it's called banana blaring
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berry bliss.
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No, absolutely, this is the must it is.
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That was Pat Patrickson Banana berry bliss. So it's strawberry
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orange and banana.
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Oh, that's that's okay. I mean that's a normal combination
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of flavors, but I don't want it for Seltzer.
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I want banana flavored Seltzer.
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Well it is very banana forward.
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Yeah, not that bad, pretty, I will tell you this. Well,
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while we're I wasn't playing on talking about this, but
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we on my vacation, we ordered the children a lot
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of smoothies because it was just like a lower whatever.
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They were into the smoothies. It's got some fruit in it,
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it's vacation whatever. Easy, it's easy. My younger child, for
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whatever reason, just opened up with a banana smoothie, which I.
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Was like, they're all bananas movies. No No. It was
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usually like is the reagent of smoothie? No?
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No, But it was like a virgin dackery kind of thing.
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So it was it was just like strawberry you can
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so what right? Yeah? And I was like, oh, that's
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not an order I would ever have thought to make.
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I really liked it, very good, really good, and it
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has resulted in my uh my fortieth birthday is coming
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up later this month, and my wife said, for me,
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even though it's really for the children, has now acquired
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a smoothie machine. Yes, a one off product that will
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take up not desk space, but counter space until it
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and it takes up shelf space somewhere else. Gage I'm
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sounding upset about it. I'm not upset.
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You're going to enjoy it for like a couple of
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months and then get bored with.
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It exactly, But I'm looking forward to the enjoying it.
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Yeah.
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So I'm honestly pretty I really enjoyed the banana aspect
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of it. So I don't know that I would necessarily
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hate this, but I don't want it in a seltzer.
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I feel like to like, obviously then it's all natural
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flavors or whatever, but I feel like the chemical they
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used for the banana is like very It doesn't like
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it's it's like very distinctively.
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Well yeah, I mean baa, it's not right.
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It's identifiably banana, but it's not actually banana, right, it's
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run banana thing.
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It's runs yellow banana. Yeah, yes, yes, And I don't
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mind that foot it's candy. It's not banana.
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But like the shirt, all right, they're calling it the
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longest banter of all time.
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It really isn't.
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It's up there, but it didn't we didn't even get
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into our prepod discussion of the minions. I'm sorry to.
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The Banana of movies.
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At this point, I feel like, are they banana? What's
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happening anyway? Our first segment Willson possibly a bit too
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lighthearted a title for the content, but I go with
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what's in front of me. I'm not fully Ron Burgundy,
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but close enough. Wilson Contreras has gotten into it again.
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I will tell you the sequence of events here was
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that in my experience of this was hearing about it
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from a group chat. Yeah, and be the group chat
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kind of being like, we understand Wilson Contreras is playing
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with his emotions. He always plays with emotions out his sleeve.
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His emotions are the most right now because of what's
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going on in Venezuela. Certainly understanding that.
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Ejected from the previous game as well, arguing, oh.
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I had missed I had missed that so and and
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that is certainly understandable. They were like that being said,
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like he's now charged the mound, like this guy really
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always gets into it, and and I will I you know,
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I said kind of like I wonder what caused it?
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Like what what was said to happen here. Uh turns
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out Wilson Contreras was not really in the rock in
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this one. I mean like maybe don't charge the mound
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and throw your helmet, but also not a respectful turn
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of phrase from Cade Cavali of the Nationals, who had
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struck him out. He said, sit down, boy, yes, was
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would anyone like to come.
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I don't want to be like you can't do that,
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white baby, but like you guy, like outside of everything else, right,
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You've been in the league for like three months and
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Wilsonaturius is like a ten years multiple All Star games, Like,
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there are rules for this, right, I really I don't
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want to. Don't we get into the you know, the overtone.
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I don't want to come off as as excusing away
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the overtones or anything like that because they're not like he.
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The reality is he has to know better ahead of this, right.
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I want to put that first and foremost. I can
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understand a scenario where if he doesn't know better, and
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again he can't. He can't not know better, that's inexcusable, right,
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But if he doesn't, like just a exclamatory like sit down,
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you know, like yourself to your to yourself kind of
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thing to pump yourself up. I can, I can halfway
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understands that, sure, right halfway. But to Jeff's point, you've
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been you've barely been here, well like you don't you
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don't get to yell that. You don't get to yell
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that to somebody, especially loud enough to someone else that's
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they can hear it, right like, And it wasn't. I'm
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saying I can halfly understand to yourself, but it was
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not to himself.
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No, Like I think I believe wasn't have to know
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the content wasn't terrist is going to sit down, well
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maybe not as quickly, ask what was the the was it?
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I don't know if it's skyper Cruco, but the sit
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down meet yeah yeah, right, like they'll they'll do the exclamatory.
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But if you're the pitcher saying it to the batter
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you just did, you're gonna start some ship.
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And it was like one of those he uh, I
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think if he got up like two there's like two
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zero in the count. There was a close pitch that
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got called a ball, they challenged it, got it overturned,
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and Coturis's is like, oh yeah, okay, sure he's like
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looking at the screen eye on top of the down
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five and then he eventually gets him looking on I
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think a breaking ball at that edge his own and
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like it's like it's a slow strike call night no,
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but not even that, but just like and like he is.
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I think it was three two. So he starts kind
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of taking a step towards first right, and he gets
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run up like and like, and then he says sit down, boy,
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and like conturist like kind of does he doesn't, like,
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are you talking to me? Yeah? And I think I
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think he says it again. Oh, I think there's this
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like I think the conturist thinks he said thought he
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started just like a tire from like that and then
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it kicks off right, And generally, I.
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Think you should get out of the habit of calling
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thirty four year old men boy.
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Yeah, and I get it he's from Oklahoma, right, I'm
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sure this is.
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Just like this. Yeah, And sometimes the whole concept of
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you know, you should think this is a lot of
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people hopefully know better.
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Yeah, well I was. I think it's it's just I
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don't know. Perhaps I'm being nice, right, and that's fine,
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but like I think it's more a turn of phrase
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than than like.
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And I'm sure he has been going back to high
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school or what.
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The turn of phrase has a history, right, That is
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the part I don't want. I'm not excusing it. I
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want to be very clear. I think I don't think
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he was saying like I don't think he was trying
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to belittle him other than like in the competitive arena,
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right of just saying like I got you, go sit
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down whatever.
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But like again, yeah, like you, I don't I guess
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on some level you can be unaware of this if
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you're a baseball player from Oklahoma, but and like look, but.
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Also like being from Oklahoma is inform me and it's
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you know that.
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Probably seeing some people say it ironically exactly.
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Yeah, yeah, so look, obviously a bad situation. Cavali did
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come out and apologize after. I guess Paul Toboni, the head,
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the head of operations, I don't know his official title,
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the Nationals talk to him. So Bonie also talked to
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the media. Cavali's talked to the media. Well, I guess
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he apologized to the media. I think at the time
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I had seen he had not contacted which he probably
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should yea, I shouldn't say, probably he definitely should.
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This is if I see him, I will make sure
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he knows that's what he said.
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If I see him, yeah, you're playing again at the
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time phone number from somebody at.
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The time again, they are playing again, that he can
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walk over to the locker room by the next that's right,
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it wasn't playing again.
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But if I see him, it's tomorrow.
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Maybe he has. Yeah, but at the time he had not,
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and he said, Uh, I hope he hears this and
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understands that this is not intended at all. I think
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he knows that. But if I see him, I want
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to make sure he knows that. Yeah.
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So I think this is this was a better apology
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than I expected, or a better statement of understanding. Maybe
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not an apology, but then I expected. I wouldn't say
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it was ideal. But perhaps my expectations are just that low.
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I think it gets uncomfortable when we talked when there's
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a focus on intent, right, like Cavali said, there was
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no ill intention. I think I've used this before, but
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like I don't care if you drop a vase or
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throw a vase. The vase is broken, right, like you
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got to put it together, and then you put it
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together and it's not whole, right, Like you're going to
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be missing pieces the damage, the damage is done. He
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did also focus on the damage in the longer statement, right,
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he talked about being hurt thinking about a black child
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in DC who would be a fan of the Nationals,
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a fan of him, and letting that person down. I
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think that outward focus is missing from the vast majority
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of these kinds of statements of understanding. I don't know
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what else to call it, right.
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But.
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So to my mind, like even just getting to that
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was better than most. Again, I'm not saying it's all
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the way.
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There, but I like peak for Armstrong did right.
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We're gender in because I think one of the funny
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things about this is that this apology and a later
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apology will reach in the show both use the same
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exact expression, which is this will never happen again, right,
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which is at least something that you can now you
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can now verify that that is something you can actually confirm,
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as opposed to if somebody were hurt, then you know,
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then I feel bad for that, Right, there's some sort
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of quantifiable, confirmable you know, you know, reaction, right, Jared
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Duran did not say that and then did it again.
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So yeah, I do think you know, there's a lot
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there is a lot of focus on you know, himself,
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like I don't you know, I don't want people thinking
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this about me, which is understandable, right, But the fact
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that there was the outward focus of of harm right
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caused or or even potentially caused, and and you know,
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he he came out and said there's a history behind
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the word and and like, I didn't intend it, but
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it's there. It's more understanding than you get from from
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a lot of these people. Was kind of the way
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I saw it. And and maybe that's on my part,
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kind of the bigotry of lowered expectations in this case.
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But it does seem like he was trying right. And
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to your point Patrick saying like it'll never happen again,
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is we'll see, certainly. But it's at least aspirationally towards growth.
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Right. It's a confirmation that he accepts that what he
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did was wrong and not that he just got got right. Yeah,
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it turns out that means a lot these days. Yeah,
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I know, uh so that I don't know anything else
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we want to talk about.
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It contrasts having like the phenom of his career, like
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depending on how you I guess, depending on how you
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judge his defense in Chicago. But yeah, he's having a
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absolutely phenomenal season, and it feels like we mostly there's
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two things going on here, right, Like he has been
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at the center of like even before this, right, the
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stuff with Milwaukee and then you know, the Red Sox,
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not the Red Sox being bad and being bad in
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a way that that sort of overrides anything like the
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story of the Red Sox is not going to include
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Wilson Contrasts just having the best seat of his career. Right,
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it's going there's too much else going on.
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No, there's too much dysfunction that you know, the part
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of Wilson, this part of Wilson Contraras will be the
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storyline of Wilson Contreras this year.
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Right, because it also kind of fits in with the
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you know, the story of him getting into it with
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the Brewers and again not his fault getting into it
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with the Nats is more endemic of what's going on
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in Boston this year. Writ large, I think than you're
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having a nine hundred ohps.
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Yeah, I just to speak to your point on the
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best year of his career, he has not had the
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best the most war already in terms of reference for
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he's at three point two in eighty three games. He
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has done that before. Actually, he had three in eighty
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four games in twenty twenty four with Saint Louis. But
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his top is four point two in twenty twenty one
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in Chicago.
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That was the year JD. Martinez is like broke his
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wrist too, right, I think that's right.
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Yeah, but he it is by far like he has
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got a one fifty five ops plus That would be
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by far his the highest of his career and against
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eighty three games if he stays healthy. Not not a given,
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but if he stays healthy, this is very likely going
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to be the best of his career. And again you
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could argue I'm using reference bar his his catching defense
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was not always well thought of. It's possible that four
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point two for his his top mark thus far over
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states somewhat. If you want to factor in the defense,
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let's go to our second segment. It's not so peachy.
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Atlanta is backsliding, yeah, I mean he continues to be
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back in years.
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Right, Like I think some of this was there's like
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the idea of you know, oh, Atlanta's regressing. Well, it'
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supposed to aggression towards the mean, and I don't know,
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like the mean's gonna be pretty loud to me.
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And yeah, well they won the game by more than
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two runs. They did for the first time since June sixth, so.
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They they are still in the lead in the NL East.
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That lead has dwindled to two and a half games
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over Philadelphia. I don't think we we've talked about we
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update the divisional status fairly frequently. Whatever I feel like
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I said at some point, like I don't think Philly
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is out of it for the division hunt. I don't
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remember if we talked about something where we said like
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who would you rather be and and one of us
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might have picked. It might have been Jeffrey picking Philly
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or something like that.
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I I.
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I think I'd rather be Philly at.
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This I think right now I would.
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I think it's easy to say when they're backsliding in
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the ways that would concern you, right because it's Bryce
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Elder not outperforming.
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It's if you told me halfway through the season the
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Brewers were two and a half games up on the
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Phillies and be like, what happened to the Mets. Okay,
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that kind of makes that that kind of makes like
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it makes it's like, this is a reasonable projection based
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on what you knew about these teams going into the season. Right, Yes,
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it's just how they've gotten there is very but it's
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a long season. Like order of operations does matter to
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an extent.
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Koda has been function tied, yeah.
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And I think that's and again they don't. I mean,
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I'm sure Coda thinks that like Bryce Elder isn't actually good,
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which Bryce Elder now isn't actually good. You know, Raynaldo
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Lopez starts back in the rotation, so I know he's
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like piggybacking. It was him and Hurston Waldrip last night.
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00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.400
Grant Holmes is hanging around too, and has been.
484
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He's been sliding from from a decent start. It's also
485
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:57.039
the thing is it's not just the pitching, right right. Yeah,
486
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Don Smith has been he was very good. Yeah, for
487
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:01.400
a while he has not been good.
488
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:04.799
Baldwin hasn't been good since he came back from his injury, like.
489
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:08.440
Michael Harris has been struggling of late. Matt Olsen, I'm
490
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.640
not worried about NodD Olsen. He's been fine. But he
491
00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:14.559
was like, you know, one eighty ops plus territory and
492
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:18.799
he's down to one thirty nine, right, Like, right, maybe
493
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.079
one eighty is overstating, but even one sixty five, right,
494
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:24.039
there's a big difference in that that quality play. Again,
495
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I'm not worried about madd Olson. Drake Baldwin set the
496
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.799
world on fire and got hurt, came back homeward and
497
00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:33.000
then has been bad. Yeah, And again I don't think
498
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.039
Drake Baldwin is going to be bad. Like I don't
499
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:39.240
think Drake Baldwin is bad. It's a difference between some
500
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:42.400
of these And and Bryce Eld, the Bryce Elder kind
501
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:46.119
of scenario, but it is a little bit cubssh where
502
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:50.920
like the whole lineup was producing yeah, and then it wasn't.
503
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.839
And again, the numbers still look pretty good because of
504
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:58.559
how long everyone was producing, but they're going through a
505
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:02.079
stretch where basically on one is is doing Now.
506
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:04.039
The Cubs are just Dansby Swanson, so it's fine.
507
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:08.400
And and Austin Riley was playing the role of Alex
508
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.160
Bregman where yeah, is not producing.
509
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.880
But brave said said at this point, who was still
510
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.240
essential is still yeah, three hundred and three forty four
511
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five July.
512
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:19.279
First, it's July soon.
513
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:24.680
And first, Matt Olsen has been fine, Like he's been fine.
514
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:29.559
No, he's he's been good, but he was fantastic. Oh
515
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.319
you mean over the I looked at like the last
516
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:33.720
two weeks or whatever, it's seemed the ops in the
517
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seven hundreds. It's fine.
518
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.759
So yeah, Austin Riley has been has slugged two fifty
519
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:42.279
in the last month. Mike strampsk gives slugged two fourteen
520
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:44.920
in the last month. Dominic Smith has slug two fifty
521
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.440
in the last month and has been way worse than that.
522
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:50.440
Hasn't played a time.
523
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.200
But yeah, do I get to victory has on Kim
524
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:54.599
at this point, I don't.
525
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:56.920
I mean, nobody is an thirty six hitter.
526
00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:01.759
No, obviously not. And it's it's I guess I shouldn't.
527
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:04.440
It's eighty two plate appearances. But like, no, my issue
528
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.200
was they re signed him at a at a four
529
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:11.440
million dollar rate, like I couldn't believe. I couldn't believe
530
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:16.480
he declined his option for sixteen million dollars, and then
531
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:22.240
I really couldn't believe that he got more money plant
532
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:24.200
hit and I don't obviously I don't think he's this bad,
533
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:25.599
but like he can't hit.
534
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.759
Don Smith last year with the Giants hit two eighty four,
535
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:31.759
three thirty three, four seventeen in two hundred and twenty
536
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:32.680
real appearances.
537
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:33.559
Yeah, that's not bad.
538
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:36.440
This year for the Braves, he's hit two seventy nine,
539
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.640
three twenty two, four fifteen in two hundred and three
540
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.400
plate appearances. He's just gotten there in a.
541
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:43.640
In a much more bifurcated way.
542
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:45.880
Yeah, like the whole team has been by, Like it's
543
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:51.720
it is rare that everybody is over their head for
544
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:54.359
two months and then everybody is under their head underwater
545
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:56.400
for a month, right, Like it's just very unusual.
546
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:58.119
It really is.
547
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:02.680
The Cubs it is experience customies at like four different times.
548
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:05.880
And what's funny is that usually if you look at
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00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.960
DRC by month, generally, what you find is that everybody
550
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:12.000
is exactly the same every month, Like it goes from
551
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:13.880
one oh three to one oh one to ninety nine
552
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:17.720
or something. The Braves have the worst DRC in baseball
553
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.400
since June first, it's eighty five. Like it's not just
554
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:23.559
that things aren't falling in.
555
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.400
They're not I mean, they're striking out a lot.
556
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:31.480
Austin Riley, you know something needs to be done at
557
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:31.920
this point.
558
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.680
Well, he's got a lot of money coming Patrick, he's
559
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:37.559
ninety nine. Yeah, I was.
560
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:40.240
I literally was saying the same thing in the same one.
561
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:44.000
It is seriously, Zeno's paradox for War. He's going from
562
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:45.680
six to three to one and a half and now
563
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:47.880
he'll be lucky to get two point seven. Like it's
564
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.480
it's kind of incredible. He has twenty two point six
565
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:54.960
war for his career and he might just stop there.
566
00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:02.480
That might be it. It doesn't. He seems totally lost.
567
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:09.039
It's hard is getting like this guy like three years.
568
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.519
In a row, someone like Riley right, Like thinking back
569
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:12.920
to him as a prospect, and he was a very
570
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:16.920
good prospect. The questions were sort of like can you
571
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:18.920
play third? And will you make enough contact? And I
572
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:23.279
do wonder if he got there, he got like the
573
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.319
whatever coaching and strength training athletic games you can get
574
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:31.440
in your early twenties, and now he's just losing them
575
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:35.200
and going back to that guy they can't really hit
576
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.680
or play third, Like he's just an early peak athleticism
577
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:43.400
guy and he doesn't have the other skills to sort
578
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.680
of ameliorate the loss of athleticism. I haven't looked at
579
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.880
like his, and he's been He's had some significant injuries
580
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:52.319
in here too. I don't think you can handway of
581
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:53.799
that as well. I have not looked at the.
582
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.799
Well, almost everybody who finishes twenty nine is yeah, fair enough.
583
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:00.279
The thing is that I like, the first thing that
584
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.039
I thought of seeing this is Morgan Ensburg. Yeah. Yeah,
585
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.319
and Morgan Ininsburg made the all starting team at twenty nine.
586
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.880
Of course he got started later, so so late. Yeah,
587
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:13.400
but yeah, he was done at thirty.
588
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:18.200
It does happen, right, Yeah, I mean he's lost. I'm
589
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.480
just looking. He's lost a mile and a half off
590
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:25.680
his average exit and too off his max. Although, man,
591
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:27.359
he's not pulling the ball in the air as much.
592
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.559
His own contact's been pretty I mean, his swing decisions
593
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.079
have collapsed. He's swinging way less in the zone and
594
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:36.279
chasing more. That's probably the main It all.
595
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:38.319
Sounds like leaking swing speed.
596
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.200
Yeah, and then yeah, his sprint speed has been pretty consistent.
597
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.039
No swing I know, I'm looking at the other athletic markers.
598
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.799
His swing speed's been pretty consistent. His arm strength, I
599
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:48.440
mean has been.
600
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.880
I say that his bats seventy five point six. That's
601
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:53.319
very high. Eighty nine percent.
602
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:55.839
Yeah, yeah, I mean it might just be like he's
603
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:57.680
it could be a pitch treck thing. It could just
604
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:01.680
be a weird two months, right, But the trend lines.
605
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.559
Seventy six in twenty twenty three, which is I think
606
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.359
the first year they tracked anything. And it's also less stated.
607
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:13.200
It wasn't in every stadium, but like it's barely fallen off,
608
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.839
yeah at all, But it seems like that's what it
609
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:18.400
That's what it sounds.
610
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:21.359
Like, right. I assume he's getting worse results on contact
611
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:23.359
because he's swinging at the worst sketches.
612
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:28.920
Yeah, yeah, Like you know, you look at the Savant's
613
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.640
new swing missing because that's when you start to maybe
614
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.920
see a see a groove swing where you're just swinging
615
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:38.720
where it's going to be in hope the ball happens
616
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:42.000
to be there. He's below average, but it's not terrible,
617
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:46.160
Like he's two ninety third out of three hund fifty seven.
618
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:47.319
So it's it's bad.
619
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:48.720
That's bad. Yeah, it's not.
620
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.839
Terrible, but it's not like it's not like another guy
621
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:53.200
we're going to talk about here a little bit.
622
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:55.240
But you can get away with that if you have
623
00:33:55.559 --> 00:34:00.400
like he has merely above average ex velocities now, right.
624
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:05.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the poster boy for the bad swing.
625
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.000
You know, results good enough at the time, it's going
626
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:09.960
to be, you know, Brett Rucker. Will we talk about
627
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:10.400
Milton But.
628
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.440
This is a little far afield. But I was looking
629
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:20.119
at Attolis Garcia a while back, for I honestly, it's inexplicit, inexptable.
630
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:21.920
But he.
631
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:26.159
He's another guy who lost a couple of ticks of
632
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:28.159
bat speed. Or I should say he's a guy who
633
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.599
lost a couple of ticks of batspeed. Riley really hasn't,
634
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:35.800
but was still above average. He produced above average exit velocities, right,
635
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.679
he lost some on his exit velocities, but even his
636
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.199
ninetieth percentile was over one oh six, which is above average. Right,
637
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.760
Like one oh five is is around average for ninetieth
638
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:49.760
percentile ev and like, but the results just tanked anyway,
639
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.960
and like I understand why he was no longer an
640
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.199
all star, right, like the falloff from there. But it
641
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.400
seemed odd to me that based on his results between
642
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.159
how you know, he was still pulling the ball enough,
643
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:06.280
he was still pulling the ball in the air, somewhat
644
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.400
like he was still like the nith evs weren't bad.
645
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.760
There wasn't something that would have said, if you looked
646
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.239
at that part of the process data, here's a collapse.
647
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:18.559
Even his plate discipline stuff wasn't notably different. But I
648
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:20.639
guess it was just enough. Maybe he's hitting it to
649
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:21.199
the wrong part of this.
650
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.119
I suspect what we are going to find, and I
651
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.719
would also suspect teams probably have already sliced and dice
652
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:32.199
this data enough to get there, is that these extreme
653
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:36.079
pulled fly ball guys, and Riley is one of them.
654
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.039
Like it's really like it's a Goldilocks kind of skill set, right,
655
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.320
Like it really outside of like ESOC Parades, who has
656
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:47.599
been a thorn in Craig's side for half a decade now,
657
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:50.599
Like I mean they're like again, it's like it's an
658
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.679
like ESTOC Parades is an extreme skill set, extreme outlier
659
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:56.440
in the same way like each or not the same way,
660
00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:57.639
but the same kind of.
661
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.239
Thing like you in terms of being an outlier, sort of.
662
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:07.440
The being an outlier right Edwin Diaz's fastball like that
663
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:11.440
kind of like weird confluence of traits. Austin Riley just
664
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.159
hits the ball hard in the air, right, and if
665
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.800
he's like I haven't had the average I don't love
666
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.360
average launch, but like his average lunch is actually nineteen now,
667
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:21.719
which might be too high, right, Like that might be
668
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:23.519
part of it. He is hitting the ball on the
669
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:26.440
ground war as well, like enough, well, but.
670
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:28.440
That means also by the way, if he's hitting the
671
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.719
ball in the ground war and his average launches nineteen,
672
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:34.519
that means he's throwing too high on the other end
673
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:35.360
to get tonight.
674
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:38.000
That means he's again he's not in the Goldilock zone anymore.
675
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.320
And that might be you know, he doesn't have the
676
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.559
quick twitch athleticism to squipt that like a hand. Eye
677
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.880
could be like it again, little stuff right, like maybe
678
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.920
his eyesight is going a little bit, like just enough.
679
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:52.480
So we go back to him full eye test in
680
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:54.159
spring training, please, and like.
681
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:56.400
Maybe something that wouldn't even necessarily show up. It could
682
00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:01.880
be like just reaction time. Like they're so like high end.
683
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:04.159
They do more high end athletic testing to like draft
684
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.719
guys now too, And maybe the Braves have more information
685
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.400
about this than we do. I would hope they do.
686
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:15.239
But if something where it's not where there is a
687
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:20.840
clear decline in like KPIs, but it's underpinning a larger
688
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.639
decline in production than you think. Then you would think,
689
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:28.599
and there's some sort of the way these skills are interacting, right,
690
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.159
it's causing that decline. These the way these the way
691
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:38.360
this decline in skills or these declines in skills are interacting,
692
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:40.800
are having outsides effect on the outputs.
693
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:43.800
Yeah, would be my something.
694
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:45.360
Maybe we do have that data and we're just not
695
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.079
looking at it the right way. But I assume teams
696
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.679
have more specific swing decision and outcome data related to
697
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:53.360
the swing, and I do.
698
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:57.559
I would buy that even little deteriorations across a number
699
00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:59.960
of these things just you know, add up to a
700
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:05.400
big deterioration overall. But I can't I can't find like
701
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.800
when I was looking at Yeah, I can't find it
702
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.159
with like Garcia. And again I'm not saying I think
703
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:12.920
Garcia should have been his all star self, but it
704
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.159
was like enough to not be basically I know, he
705
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.039
got a ten million dollar contract this year because it's
706
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:22.280
the Phillies, but like he's basically cooked, like in my view,
707
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.199
and like I don't think he should be cooked. He
708
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.320
should be like a guy who floats around the league
709
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:29.760
for a while, and I don't know that he will
710
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:33.039
be after this deal. I think he's kind of I mean, look,
711
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.679
I don't know. Max Kepler got another contract, so maybe
712
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:40.599
I'm wrong, but it just seems like he's fully cooked
713
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:42.840
and like the data kind of says like there should
714
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:47.039
be more there than is there. But but I look
715
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.800
at him and I'm like, no, that's right, Like look,
716
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:53.760
mid six hundreds or worse ops is about right actually
717
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.320
for what I'm looking at. I don't know, it's just weird.
718
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.719
I don't know, is there anything else? I did just
719
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.760
want to know while we're while we're talking about Atlanta,
720
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:09.760
Holy shit, this bullten man. They're really good.
721
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.320
Yeah, Older is not giving them as many leads to protect.
722
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:20.239
But no, I mean, but like Iglesias, Lee Suarez, I
723
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:27.000
know Suarez is hurt, Tyler Kinley, like Dylan Dodd, all
724
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:27.559
these guys.
725
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.679
I guess my question would be like, how how worried
726
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:32.679
are you about the Braves?
727
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:35.599
That is that is a good good Patrick.
728
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:40.039
Yeah, they're what fifteen or sixteen? They won yesterday, so
729
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:43.199
they're sixteen over. Obviously, the Cubs are on the upswing
730
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:46.840
right now, and the Phillies are both ten or eleven
731
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.239
over now at this point, I think again, you're in
732
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.039
a situation where it's hard to see the Braves not
733
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:56.679
making the playoffs like the Cardinals and somebody else would
734
00:39:56.719 --> 00:40:01.480
have to pass them, and I don't really see that happening.
735
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:04.280
But I guess where's the floor here?
736
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:04.559
Right?
737
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.159
Is probably the more well, and you.
738
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:11.320
Know the braves traditional method of getting thirty four year
739
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.199
olds to back up every position, and also your triple
740
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:19.239
A roster. You know that, you know they're this is
741
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.440
still a team that could really get ruined if they
742
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:24.360
have a couple more injuries and they haven't the healthiest
743
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:30.519
team ever. Likes out but like the boy, the backups
744
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:31.960
are real bad.
745
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:37.079
Especially like we knew that going. Yeah, right, you've known
746
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.440
them for a couple of years now, have you talked
747
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:40.760
about the age of their triple A?
748
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:42.880
Yeah, I mean they weren't for the first two months?
749
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:43.320
Is the thing?
750
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:43.559
Right?
751
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:49.840
It was Dom Smith right, like well then uh right,
752
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:54.920
And I don't know what he's done recently. Againe is okay, Yeah,
753
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:55.679
it's cool.
754
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.519
It's become hor hem matio. Yeah, and then you have
755
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:02.199
a pitching staff, which you know Bryce Elder has fallen off,
756
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:05.280
but grand Hoolmes hasn't yet right, Like Grandolmes is still
757
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.079
kind of getting away with it. Martin Perez.
758
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.880
I mean, look, I thought Holmes had kind of slowed down.
759
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:11.719
I mean he has, he's like a four.
760
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:13.800
Year this last month, but like the FIP is like
761
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:17.480
five and a half, right, like it does cutting away
762
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.119
with something, right, Martin Perez is like kind of actually
763
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.639
good now, Like he's his strikeout rate is like one
764
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.440
of the highest of his career. He's like, I know
765
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:29.960
it's faint praise, but but a two to one strike
766
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.880
out to walk ratio for Martin Perez is pretty good. Yeah,
767
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:38.679
but still not good, like not playoff starter good. Jared
768
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:43.719
Richie's back down, like it's starting to go from things
769
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.679
could go wrong to needing to have things go right
770
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:51.280
at this point, especially with a rotation, because after Chris Sale,
771
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.000
now you just kind of need things to go right.
772
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:57.039
He needs you need swallow back to be to come
773
00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.960
back and be ready. He need Strider to find something.
774
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:03.320
He's back on the aisle again, like.
775
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.960
They just got waldroped back yesterday, but they're so kind
776
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.360
of stretched, like he was pitching behind Lopez. They're still
777
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:10.400
kind of stretching him back out.
778
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.840
It's not like this team has much to to buye
779
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.920
with at the deadline, right.
780
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.280
Eric Cartman, Eric Cartman, I guess so I.
781
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:26.199
Have there's I want. There's another bat that has like
782
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:26.840
it has had.
783
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:29.360
A Nightingale said, they might be like a sneaky I
784
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:32.920
know it's Bob. They might be a sneaky scooble.
785
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:37.039
Right, I thought, I think I texted you, well, I
786
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:40.320
think they have some interesting things if it depends on
787
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:45.320
the Tiger's disposition, right, but they have a bunch of young, talented,
788
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:51.440
injured starters, right, and but with a lot of control,
789
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.000
ye think, because they're on the.
790
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:56.599
Major Murphy, right, you could go get on Murphy if
791
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:58.960
that's your If the Tigers.
792
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.360
Want swelling Box, it's like a top of the rotation
793
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:05.960
starter when he's healthy. It's not a bad piece theoretically,
794
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.159
depending on your risk.
795
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:10.079
And health.
796
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:12.400
Quickly and like if the Tigers say, okay, we want
797
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:14.519
you know, we've got we're gonna go comes up, he
798
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:17.239
looks like an all star. We've got Max Clark coming.
799
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:19.079
You know, we're still in sort of the peak heres
800
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:20.920
for I don't know what Dylan Dingler is like top
801
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.400
three catcher in baseball and continue, but we've.
802
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:25.000
Got this catcher in baseball right now?
803
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:27.480
Yeah, you know we got Max Clark. Riley Green is
804
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.400
still Riley Green is having a great year, right, Like,
805
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:33.679
we can compete next year even without Schoogle.
806
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:35.599
But you have fromber Valdez.
807
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.719
They're they're going to they are going to need another
808
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:45.400
picture right between mies and school. Yeah, so if you
809
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:46.960
go like you've always fell en back, you can see
810
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:48.519
the vasion, right if you want to be like, we're
811
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:50.360
going to reload for next year, and I and I
812
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:51.519
think that whatever you get back for.
813
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:55.239
School would theoretically be willing to you could see them
814
00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:00.920
partying with with someone like that, yeah, because in a
815
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.800
sense they have depth of the number of guys like
816
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:07.840
that who are hurt but theoretically coming back.
817
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:08.239
Right.
818
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:13.519
But it look it would I understand from the Detroit perspective,
819
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:15.679
you could look at Schwellenbach and say, like, you're getting
820
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:18.840
a guy who keeps getting hurt. Yeah, but if you
821
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.280
can get the seasons out of him, right, like, it
822
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.920
could be a huge win. He's really really good when
823
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:30.679
he's healthy. If you think you can keep him healthy
824
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:34.920
or just get lucky enough, right enough, it's not even
825
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:36.400
about like, Okay, yes.
826
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.239
It doesn't have to be Schula Shwalamack. You've seen the
827
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.480
good side already, right, Like you've seen what he can
828
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:43.679
do when healthy. You know, you can like Owen Murphy
829
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:45.639
and Gerr. But Murphy is basically major league ready. He's
830
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:47.760
made eleven starts in Triple A. Richie has pitched in
831
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:48.559
the major sum.
832
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.320
Yeah, well there's also I mean, like again, I wouldn't
833
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:55.880
I wouldn't consider him good enough for the like a
834
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:59.280
significant piece of the school deal. But there'shurstin Waldro really
835
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.119
good at the end of last.
836
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.159
Here, again, what you're pitching people think they what you're
837
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:05.800
pitching people like what they think they can do with
838
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:10.079
the guys you would be acquiring, right, Yeah, but I.
839
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.960
Think again, if you go to that plus their actual prospects, right,
840
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.519
not just hurt pitchers, Like there's theoretically something there. And again,
841
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:25.280
if you're offloading schoobl's going to carry eleven million dollars. Yeah,
842
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:30.039
that's I understand. It's not the thing fans necessarily want
843
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:31.960
to think about, but it matters to the front office,
844
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:37.440
it matters to the ownership. It's it's a couple months
845
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:42.280
of Schooble as good as Schooble is. I don't think
846
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.719
you're getting again you you wrote about this, Jeff, But
847
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:49.559
like I don't think you're getting multiple top fifty guys.
848
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.559
The return you're talking about is going to include someone in.
849
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:57.239
This, right, I don't think Cartman is a top fifty guy.
850
00:45:57.920 --> 00:45:58.599
I probably not.
851
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.800
But you have like a second pieces here Hartman, tas
852
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:06.840
South and Scene Luis Guanifa, Like they have interesting guys
853
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:10.400
at positions of need. Like you know South of Scene
854
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:13.920
is a second middle endfielder. You know, Gwnefa and Hartman
855
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.719
are outfielders, which they they need both of those things
856
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.480
in addition to you know, close to ready pigeon, so
857
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:24.519
like they do they do actually match up here, and
858
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:25.960
like the braves of braves.
859
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:27.239
Like and they'll make a move.
860
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:29.599
They braves will make a move. And also like if
861
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.800
you know Matt Olsen's getting older, Austin Riley, you know,
862
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.719
like they don't have they they have a closing window
863
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:38.519
here too, right, Chris Sale only is another year on
864
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:40.360
his deal after this one, even though they keep maybe
865
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.199
they'll do the same thing again and push it out
866
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:46.079
another year. But he's not getting any younger. Either, like
867
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:48.199
they should probably try to push in a little bit
868
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:48.599
this year.
869
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:56.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think Bob's wrong.
870
00:46:56.599 --> 00:47:00.920
I think it's actually a pretty good Yeah, don't clip
871
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:01.440
that please.
872
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:03.880
I think it's a pretty it'll be the title of
873
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:04.440
the episode.
874
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:11.039
I think it's a pretty good fit in a number
875
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:16.039
of ways. Again, depending on Detroit's.
876
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:19.239
Yeah, Atlanta has been active the deadlines. They've never made
877
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:23.719
a deal like this, right, like the huge rental by trade.
878
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:25.480
But they might have to this year, right, they haven't
879
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:26.599
had to in the past.
880
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:31.800
Right, No, it's true, but I don't but they they
881
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.039
have not done that at the deadline. But obviously they
882
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.320
they went and got Matt Olsen, like they've done the
883
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:38.360
big swing.
884
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.000
Right, they can't keep this year. They're not gonna be
885
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:41.840
able to just go back and get Eddie Rosario again.
886
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:43.960
I think they probably can.
887
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:46.199
They probably can. Yes, they're going to need to do
888
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:46.760
more than that.
889
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:50.760
Yeah, yeah, no, I I think it would be. It's
890
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:55.159
a very intriguing fit for Schooble. I think I when
891
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:57.679
I was thinking about this, I don't know, a month
892
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:01.880
ago or whatever, I think Ita and Chicago really make
893
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.159
the most sense between need and.
894
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.199
Potential willingness, and you could argue Atlanta they don't have
895
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:11.920
as good a farm system as the cub but you
896
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:16.079
could argue that might and neither of them are good
897
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:16.679
farms well.
898
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:21.199
And again if you if you're considering Schwellenbach and Waldrop types,
899
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:26.360
that's not in the farm system. But they're controllable pieces
900
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:30.559
that can slide right into a contention window right right.
901
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:34.199
So I guess the Cubs could do that with like
902
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:36.159
Matt Shaw right if they wanted to, but not a
903
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:37.320
picture they have a.
904
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:41.159
Yeah, I think, so let's go to our third segment.
905
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.599
It should be a quick one. I know we've gone
906
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:48.159
long knives out, so I missed the first thing in
907
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:49.320
our rundown here Jeffrey.
908
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.360
So, so this is what actually brought it brought on
909
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.960
the Stone Garrett Instagram post. Okay, Josh Naylor got hit
910
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:01.639
by a pitch in the UH in the game against
911
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.599
the Guardians, and I didn't even see if. I don't
912
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.039
know if he said something or he overexaggerated. I don't.
913
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.480
I don't really think he did anything unusual within the
914
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:13.880
guardrails of Josh Josh Naylor on a baseball field, but
915
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:15.320
like he was walking down I don't know if he
916
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.480
says something to Hedges or Hedger said something to him,
917
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:19.320
but you can see he just say like, no one
918
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:21.599
likes you, just like and like not in like a
919
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:26.000
not like it did not appear to me to be
920
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:28.760
in like a joshing way or even like half she
921
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:33.639
like just like no one likes you, like very just
922
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:34.440
a statement of pack.
923
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:34.760
Yep.
924
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.199
It had the same kind of intonation as like you
925
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:41.119
know you parking lot or whatever. Right, It's the same
926
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:45.679
kind of like they're just like I am stating a fact.
927
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:52.119
Yeah yeah, well, which like definitely doesn't like him.
928
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.559
Well, it led to a lot of like okay, like yeah,
929
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:59.000
like because you know Naylor, I obviously know too much.
930
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.199
Is Josh Elder the Waterloo of First Basement.
931
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.519
But he's like I get how just from the outside
932
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:08.039
like the rock of Babe, like he's kind of a
933
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:11.719
red ass, but he's being more of like, you know,
934
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.400
a mostly acceptable fire. He's got some fire, right, And
935
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:17.679
obviously I had known about the quote unquote knife Frank
936
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:20.960
for the better part of a decade now, but Frank
937
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:24.559
again just that's that's what his agent called it. Yes,
938
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.320
but like Garrett actually like so for the people that
939
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:29.800
don't know. I think everybody knows now. I thought they
940
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:32.280
were roommates, but apparently they were next door neighbors, which
941
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:34.239
makes it even weirder because he just kept like walking
942
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:38.400
into breaking into Stone Garrett's apartment and like waiting for
943
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.239
him in the closet with a butcher knife like repeatedly. Uh,
944
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:44.840
and one of them he opened it and like I
945
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:47.000
guess tried to scare him and like stabbed him through
946
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.280
the hand. Yes, as Garrett had said, like he still
947
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:52.360
can't feel anything in that hand, which would be kind
948
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:57.000
of important. I think his thumbs stumpy, kind of important
949
00:50:57.159 --> 00:50:58.760
for you know, professional.
950
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:00.280
Yeah.
951
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:09.280
So, and they like treated him later that season two
952
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:10.800
weeks later, two weeks later.
953
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:12.960
I think in the Futures game, I remember I saw him,
954
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:15.920
and again I don't. I don't do a ton of
955
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:20.719
like makeup stuff when I'm watching games, right like outside
956
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.679
of like really.
957
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.719
Yeah, people, I should people have asked us about, like
958
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.840
why we stop addressing this, Yeah, I would say, I mean,
959
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:34.039
certainly what Jeff use is is a significant part of it.
960
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.519
But my view, as as the Minor League editor at
961
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.519
the time and now editor in chief a BP, was
962
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:44.000
not that this stuff doesn't matter, right, it does matter.
963
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.039
It can matter a whole hell of.
964
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:49.000
A lot, right, Like is the fact that Nolan McLain
965
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:52.159
has progressed more with pitch stuff than Jonah Tong a
966
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:55.119
positive makeup marker. I don't think so. I think they're both.
967
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.119
They're both working hard. Like Tong has been tinkering with
968
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:00.239
Armslide does whatever the team tells him to do. That
969
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:02.880
tries different pitches and things. Sometimes it just doesn't work.
970
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:06.199
It's well, it's it's first of all, if you're talking
971
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.400
about especially the way we used to do things, and
972
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:10.360
maybe even more so now. Right, But like if you
973
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.519
sat on someone for a series, right, you get at
974
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:14.760
most a week of their lives.
975
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.679
Yeah, right, Like that is not enough to say to
976
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.480
end up doing stuff like oh, how make character? How
977
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.960
engaged are they on infield outfield? None of them are
978
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:25.239
engaged on in field outfield, especially in the middle of
979
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:26.519
the summer. I got news for you.
980
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:31.360
Yeah, but look, and I'm not saying you can't get indicators, sure,
981
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:33.559
but indicators aren't the truth.
982
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.159
I saw Peter Alonzo out there working on scoops for
983
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.679
like an hour before the game, right, I mean he
984
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:42.559
needed the work, right, Like he was putting in the work.
985
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:44.519
What does that what does that actually mean? Also have
986
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.079
to say I did see Josh Naylor start a bench
987
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.440
clearing brawl in Lakewood when he was standing on first base.
988
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:53.679
I don't think I don't think it gotten hit by pitch.
989
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:55.159
I think he just got it, got walked. I think
990
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:57.760
just started to fight. It started a benchuring ball on
991
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:02.480
first base. This is also before he got traded. He
992
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:04.119
was with the Marlin still at the time. I think
993
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:05.760
before I heard about the knife Frank too. It was
994
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:08.960
fairly early in the Yeah, I did you have the post?
995
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:10.880
I mean I don't, but yes, he was just like
996
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:14.719
multiple times just hiding, like hiding in a closet and
997
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:19.119
popping out with a knife. That is deranged stuff and
998
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:22.239
like that. The Marlins has anyone Patrick Click has anyone
999
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:27.239
asked Naylor about this since the Garrett post? But I'm
1000
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:28.880
just thinking because you're in the local.
1001
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:32.599
The Marlins were very much like, we're going to handle
1002
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:34.719
this in house, which is a very.
1003
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.679
Like it is a weird thing because everybody is like
1004
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:40.960
not everybody, but like a significant portion of people have
1005
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:42.800
known about this but don't remember it.
1006
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:47.239
Was there was a knife Frank because that was was.
1007
00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:51.519
It an open secret like no one remembers anymore because
1008
00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:53.440
it was so long ago. There was I supposed to
1009
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:54.519
be sharing this or not?
1010
00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:00.400
Well, yeah, I don't knife, Frank. That was Builton in
1011
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:03.320
Garrett missing a lot of time and.
1012
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:05.079
Not being as good when he came back. And again
1013
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:07.400
it was his first He wasn't a huge he was
1014
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:08.119
an overslought.
1015
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:10.480
Look, this guy made it to the majors.
1016
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:12.280
He didn't finally make it to the med YEA, I don't.
1017
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:14.960
You don't necessarily want to say like he ruined this
1018
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.679
guy's career, but like it's not out of the question.
1019
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:20.239
He can't. He have feeling in a thumb, which is
1020
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:23.320
again important for a professional hitter of Baseball's right.
1021
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:29.480
Yeah, on that note, Yeah, we'll take a break.
1022
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:30.760
He's left on that contract.
1023
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.920
Yeah, and our audience can consider what they might do
1024
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.079
for a nice prank, and we'll be back for the
1025
00:54:38.119 --> 00:55:04.960
rest of the show. Welcome back to episode five hundred
1026
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.960
and fifty nine of five and Dive. We're on segment four.
1027
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:12.360
We're going around the horn. Jeffrey, would you like to
1028
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:17.320
just relay you your texts to us about Junior Cameron Herrow.
1029
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:20.719
Junior Camonaro is on an all time heater. He has
1030
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:23.199
homered in six straight games for the fraudulent Rays.
1031
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:26.480
I don't think Junior Camonaro is fraudulent.
1032
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:29.920
Junior Camonaro is definitely not for fraudulent. He's also as
1033
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.039
I possibly, what was what was.
1034
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:34.320
The length on the one that you took, the one
1035
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:35.079
that you said.
1036
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.480
One of the ones that you sixty eight to write,
1037
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:41.719
it went to a place in I think left center
1038
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:46.880
in Tampa that you do not normally like it got
1039
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:52.639
to the concourse in like left center, which I just
1040
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:53.519
don't think, like.
1041
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:56.119
One thirteen I remember. Yeah, this is all just off memory,
1042
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:57.159
one thirteen off the bat.
1043
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.800
Yeah he can do that obviously. Yes, Like like even
1044
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:02.480
I didn't even bother sending you the one last night.
1045
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.199
It was only like one nine four thirty. Yeah, I
1046
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:06.400
thought it's not worth it.
1047
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:10.880
He is also once again leading the league in ground
1048
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:11.639
into double plays.
1049
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.920
Sure, very hard.
1050
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:18.719
You can just lock in. Yeah, as long as John
1051
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:21.679
Carlos Stanton is is not healthy, you can lock in
1052
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:22.440
the league leader.
1053
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:24.480
Yeah. In g I DP.
1054
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.000
He is as I hoped on Monday show in the
1055
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:31.880
home run derby so that we have that talk.
1056
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:35.119
Oh is he Yeah, Okay, he's the first person that's
1057
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:36.039
worth tuning into.
1058
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.960
Yeah, that's got a very short concourse in Philadelphia too.
1059
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:43.760
Hit something there, he might hit it over the batter's eide.
1060
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:49.119
Yeah. Last last fourteen days, four thirteen, four sixty two,
1061
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:53.760
one thousand. Wow, that's twelve games with a one thousand slogging.
1062
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:54.840
He's hit nine home runs?
1063
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:58.599
Is it's only slightly ahead of Dansby Swanson?
1064
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:02.719
Yeah? Probably the last fourteenth days, last twenty eight days,
1065
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:05.320
three thirty three, ninety eight, seven oh three.
1066
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:08.280
It's pretty good.
1067
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:09.440
He's just he's only twenty two.
1068
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:16.800
Yeah, but like it's not do you think I think
1069
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:18.880
you're not anticipating. I don't know, like you're saying he's
1070
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:20.320
only ton to two, which is great, but it's probably
1071
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:24.559
like this is probably around where he tops out. I mean,
1072
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:28.920
what's the other year? Could he hit like stoping the place.
1073
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:30.800
It's not hitting a day? Could he hit sixty home
1074
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:31.519
runs in a season?
1075
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:32.440
Yeah?
1076
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:33.800
I think that's right.
1077
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.039
Yeah, I mean I guess he's on pace for almost
1078
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:38.880
fifty this year and he hit forty five last year.
1079
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.239
I do Well, Well, here you go. Craig His ops
1080
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:45.639
by year the last four seasons six thirty one, seven,
1081
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.280
twenty four, eight, forty six, ninety three. So just keep
1082
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:49.559
going on one hundred points every year.
1083
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:53.239
Right, But well, essentially he's you end up he doesn't
1084
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:55.159
have the walks or whatever. It's a different profile. But
1085
00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:56.639
then he's walking about like right handed.
1086
00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:59.639
Yourd On Alvarez as like, but I don't know if
1087
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:01.679
he has I'm walking like twelve percent of the time.
1088
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:03.639
He's like, there's nobody else not lying up the pitch too,
1089
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:05.760
But he still had to not say at the pitches.
1090
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.039
Yeah, I do want to point out, like I joked
1091
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:12.880
about Swanson, Swanson's last fourteen days three seventy five, four
1092
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:14.440
four nine.
1093
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.199
Yeah, he is only.
1094
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:25.639
Slightly ahead of fancy swaps. Cooper Ingle had a bad moment.
1095
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:29.679
He did, he had benniagg Bayanis did, Yeah, we need
1096
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:30.920
I you.
1097
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.159
Know, this isn't worth an article, but man, I've always
1098
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:36.760
you know, I remember somebody saying, once we have all
1099
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:39.880
the leaderboards whatever need and man, we need a leaderboard
1100
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:43.000
for this. We need a designated place where you can
1101
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:45.079
look up every player in history who has done this,
1102
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:47.119
just so you can be like, this needs to be
1103
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:47.559
a club.
1104
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:51.159
Yeah, and yeah, it is a harmless club, but like
1105
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.039
it's a club like Learry, it wasn't harmless in this
1106
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:55.840
instance they lost it.
1107
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:58.679
Only they lost thank god. Like I wrote the most
1108
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:01.800
merciful insurance run in baseball history when the Rangers made
1109
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:07.559
it four too. Yeah, somebody something that again will never
1110
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:08.159
happen again.
1111
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:14.039
He is a catcher, stakes Patrick different steaks.
1112
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:16.559
He has not played a lot of corner outfield.
1113
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:20.400
But yeah, yeah, that's a tough one.
1114
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:24.320
Uh, Steve Cohen, do we actually say what he did?
1115
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:26.039
He did? I not.
1116
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:30.360
He threw the ball into the stands with with two outs, and.
1117
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:33.639
There was a runner on second who dropped around. Everyone
1118
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:37.000
just stood there and watched. Uh Tanner Bidy's expression.
1119
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:41.000
Yeah, Harry Biby, Who who did you write it? You
1120
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:42.159
wrote about right?
1121
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.000
Yeah? I put this in DSDH.
1122
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.840
No, but you wrote about him earlier in this also
1123
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:51.320
is one of the hardest luck yeah players this year,
1124
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:53.679
just in terms of like win loss record stuff like that.
1125
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:56.920
I know he's not pitched terrifically either, but he's also
1126
00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:05.760
been very unlucky elsewhere. Steve Cohen has said that David
1127
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:13.280
Sterns will quote ride out end quote his contract. He's
1128
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:16.320
in year three of a five year contract. I wouldn't
1129
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:21.840
call it the most ringing of endorsements. In terms of phrasing.
1130
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:26.840
My guess is that Stern's sorry, Stern's Cohen did not
1131
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:32.159
mean this in any sort of derogatory or I'm.
1132
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:33.360
Not the like for a guy.
1133
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:35.239
He's not a words guy.
1134
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:41.400
Mhm. Well, Also, you don't want to do too complimentary,
1135
01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:44.119
because that's the kiss of death when you're like over
1136
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:49.039
praising the guy is doing, you know, clearly a bad job,
1137
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.519
or at least you know it's getting bad results. Made
1138
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.159
me talk about, right, you want to thread the balance
1139
01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:56.320
of being like, yeah, he's fine, you know when you're doing.
1140
01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:58.840
It on the New York Post Baseball podcast, for some reason,
1141
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.760
we got to consider the audience. Yeah, no, Like, it
1142
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:09.199
was very funny because he was getting people were I
1143
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:11.159
don't remember, but he was tweeting. He should not be
1144
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:14.039
tweeting either. Oh he like he does. He said he
1145
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:16.440
was going to make a statement soon, and I'm just like,
1146
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:17.960
oh god. But I figured he was going like he
1147
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:19.960
did a press conference in twenty twenty three, right when
1148
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:24.679
things weren't going well. So I thought, okay, he'll just
1149
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:26.800
have a press conference. You know, they just fired their manager.
1150
01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:29.000
But he'll do like a basic maybe like a pre
1151
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:32.239
All Star Game thing or something, but no, he just
1152
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:36.599
went on the New York Posts podcast with John Hayman
1153
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:38.639
and Joel Sherman, which is very funny because Joel Sherman
1154
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:41.199
complained a lot that they only went to Anthony Jacomo
1155
01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:45.840
to say Carlos Mendoza was safe back in May, and like,
1156
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:47.039
oh you got to talk to you. Why you're only
1157
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:51.000
talking to one media source. Fine, when it's fine, when
1158
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:53.239
it's me right. He said a lot of other things
1159
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:54.760
too that he shouldn't, but that's just part of the
1160
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:57.800
Steve Cohen experience at this point. I mean, he did
1161
01:01:57.880 --> 01:01:59.280
say things like, look, we have to look at our
1162
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.039
processes and like you can have good process and bad outcomes,
1163
01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:04.519
Like he said, all the right things and that respect.
1164
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:06.639
And I do think Stearns is probably safe for the
1165
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:09.039
duration of this contract for a variety of reasons, including
1166
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:10.760
the ones he outlined about being like that, who do
1167
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:12.920
you hire after this, which is something that no point
1168
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:14.159
that Jarry and I have made a lot over the
1169
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:15.480
last six months or.
1170
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:16.800
So I talked about last podcast.
1171
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:20.239
Yeah, but yeah, like you don't.
1172
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:26.440
Is an unfortunate frame it because it sounds like we're
1173
01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:27.199
just gonna live with it.
1174
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:29.199
We're gonna live with it, right, Yeah, But.
1175
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:33.719
I think I think he's I don't know that he's
1176
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:34.639
like happy with it.
1177
01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:36.519
But I don't think you, I mean you shouldn't. I
1178
01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:38.519
don't think David Stearns is happy with it, right, Yeah, but.
1179
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:40.199
I don't But I don't think but I don't think
1180
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:42.679
Steve Cohen is unhappy with David Stearns. I think he's
1181
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.360
unhappy with the results, right, which is.
1182
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:48.599
Something that like Mets fans can't parse for some reason.
1183
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:54.519
Yeah, there there is an additional uh, another round of
1184
01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:59.159
of MLB h M, l B P A c B A.
1185
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:04.360
Yeah, should know some thought they might miss games next year,
1186
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.079
which is not something you want your owners specifically. Yeah,
1187
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:09.119
I don't know how this is a good idea.
1188
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.559
So so this is latest MLBP proposal. But did we
1189
01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:15.559
do we cover the prior.
1190
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:18.519
We talked at the draft stole y, Yeah, and when
1191
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:19.840
we talked about I think.
1192
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:24.760
The contract length. I mean, yeah, none of this is
1193
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:26.159
I can't I wasn't.
1194
01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:26.599
Here for something.
1195
01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:27.400
I just wasn't sure.
1196
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:33.400
I don't know whatever, I don't know the details, just
1197
01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:35.159
like leak, Yeah.
1198
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:39.920
Intermittently so it's not always clear. I I just wanted
1199
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:42.760
to cover it if we didn't. But but Patrick, I
1200
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:46.679
know I shared the details of this with you. Do
1201
01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:48.639
you have do you have it in front of you?
1202
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:49.920
What the the.
1203
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:56.119
Specifically it's looking at trends. This this portion of the
1204
01:03:56.199 --> 01:04:01.320
proposal was specifically about UH transaction.
1205
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:03.960
Fewer options.
1206
01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:11.320
It's adorably it's adorably minute ship yes yearly compared their own.
1207
01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.559
The owners are like, we're we're never going to pay
1208
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:18.880
any ever again. And the LVPA is like, we'd like
1209
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:21.119
an extra couple of roster thoughts for the first two
1210
01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:21.880
weeks of the season.
1211
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:24.559
So that is That was the first billet point, which
1212
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:27.440
was expanding active rosters from twenty six to twenty eight
1213
01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:30.920
for the first fifteen days of the season, just to
1214
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:35.119
make it more of a glide path out of spring training. Sure,
1215
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:39.079
I suppose. Look, I understand why they're asking for this.
1216
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:43.119
It's it's additional service time for additional people. I don't
1217
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:47.119
I don't like it's it's like it's I don't think
1218
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:50.199
it's good for the game necessarily, it's fine, I don't pay.
1219
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:52.519
It's essentially like it doesn't hurt the game and it
1220
01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:54.280
keeps it's another reason.
1221
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:55.599
To stars aren't good.
1222
01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:00.800
From their perspective, that's fine. Like I'm not flammoring, yes
1223
01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:04.679
I don't. I would prefer more time where the regular
1224
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:07.079
season is just the regular season and not weird and
1225
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:11.400
slightly different. But like I get I get it.
1226
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:16.119
The big one is no, I just thought the big one,
1227
01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:19.639
like it really is like quality of life stuff, right,
1228
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:22.880
like having you know, letting people be on the sixty
1229
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:24.719
Day Island November so you don't have to cut a
1230
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:25.039
bunch of.
1231
01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:27.239
People just because it's also good for teams.
1232
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:29.920
It is good for teams. Yeah, Like it's annoying to
1233
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:33.000
have to cut one of your decent like fringe guys
1234
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:35.480
because you know you have three guys come off happy.
1235
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:38.480
The race would be oh man, so save some of
1236
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:43.880
those rosters and I mean like they'll do whatever, but
1237
01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:47.960
like they'll be thrilled. Yeah, And I'm not even I'm
1238
01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:49.199
not trying to take a shot that a lot of
1239
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:50.960
the Rays are hurt. It's just a way for them
1240
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:54.440
to save a roster spot. They're kind of a lot
1241
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:57.599
of those weird little deals you see in in November
1242
01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:00.599
and December or whatever are because they're are trying to
1243
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.000
they have always got a wave of people about to
1244
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:06.360
need to be added to the forty man and so
1245
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.519
they're just trying to optimize their system that way. This
1246
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:11.639
would help them help them out of that crunch a
1247
01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:12.039
little bit.
1248
01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:17.320
So reducing the number of in season options from five
1249
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:20.039
to three, which was already reduced from I think was
1250
01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:22.960
it infinite to five was the first time through, and
1251
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:26.119
now it's five to three. They're just trying to slid
1252
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:29.400
down the shuttle, which is just going to give you
1253
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:32.280
more Carlos grascows. But you know, whatever can't stady, it's
1254
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:33.679
gonna be harder to program out.
1255
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:38.119
I do wonder if this doesn't it slows down the shuttle,
1256
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:41.039
but it says it's specifically to combat roster churn, and
1257
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:44.800
I don't know if it wouldn't enhance roster turn. I
1258
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:48.760
mean it you just do the DFA. It does give
1259
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:51.880
the players more options, right right, And I agree with that,
1260
01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:54.239
but I don't know that it addresses churn. It gives
1261
01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:58.320
but it gives players options amazing.
1262
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:03.760
Yeah, this one's one might be my favorite. Moving up
1263
01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:07.360
the Rule five draft in the final year of the
1264
01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:12.800
c b A, just not every year the ones before
1265
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:15.559
they might be a strike or what works stoppage.
1266
01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:18.440
Well, the goal there is to make sure there is
1267
01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:21.239
a rule five draft right exactly last time they.
1268
01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:28.159
And then provide them will be pay for players who
1269
01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:29.239
are optioned at September.
1270
01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:38.800
Uh yeah, yeah, extras Max Meyer exactly.
1271
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:45.159
And this is like it's not great. You know, it
1272
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:48.000
does not improve the product, but also it's pretty easy
1273
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.360
to go like, yeah, come on, it's like.
1274
01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:54.119
Like it does improve the product because it removes the
1275
01:07:54.280 --> 01:07:57.599
incentive to do this weird little.
1276
01:07:57.840 --> 01:07:59.039
Forced them to find new incentives.
1277
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:01.840
Fine, Like it's like, if you want to manipulate the
1278
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:03.559
service time, you got to pay for it for the
1279
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:04.320
two leak space.
1280
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:07.559
Yeah, and I guess look, I always preference and say
1281
01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:10.320
like we're biased on this. I'm not trying to hide
1282
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:11.639
the ball on that kind of stuff. But if you
1283
01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:19.399
look at what these proposal details address, like the PA
1284
01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:26.560
proposals repeatedly are like stop finding loopholes, and the players
1285
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:33.359
and the game and the owners are like take less money.
1286
01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:39.920
And I think, like that's a that's a joke, but
1287
01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:40.720
it's also.
1288
01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:43.239
It is very much not a joke.
1289
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:46.960
It's not it's very much not a joke. And I
1290
01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:51.119
think that should tell you where each side is coming
1291
01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:55.199
from in terms of what they're trying to accomplish with
1292
01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:58.920
their proposals. Are the players self interested?
1293
01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:00.279
Yes, yea.
1294
01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:07.359
Also their self interest is better for the game than
1295
01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:08.600
the owner's self interest.
1296
01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:11.039
I saw someone on Blue Sky just be like, I
1297
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:13.920
know none of this matters, but it is. It's weird
1298
01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:18.720
that their owners are just like presenting their view of
1299
01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:22.039
like idealized baseball, and it's the most horrible thing you've
1300
01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:25.319
ever seen. Like they're not like they're not even trying.
1301
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:29.760
It's very much a Silicon Valley Tech ceo being like,
1302
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:33.159
isn't this the future we all want? And it's a nightmare,
1303
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:38.079
and they're like, it looks great to me. The guy
1304
01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:38.920
on top of the.
1305
01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:42.800
Pyramid also Travis Sauchik, but those the only yeah.
1306
01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:45.600
Employed by Major League basse Yeah.
1307
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:46.760
Uh.
1308
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:50.159
If you want to know more about that, feel free
1309
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:52.000
to check out the site today. I have an article
1310
01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:59.119
up on an article. Lastly, Brent Rooker is out for
1311
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:03.800
the season. Right, it's been a tough season, Yeah, it has,
1312
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:09.159
like perhaps mercifully like maybe it's just like let's get this.
1313
01:10:09.359 --> 01:10:14.439
Salved Is DRC is one on one. The thing about
1314
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:18.279
Rooker is that like he has not changed what he does.
1315
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:21.079
He's just going to see. He is very much the
1316
01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:23.760
I'm going to swing in one spot, ye, and when
1317
01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:27.119
the ball is there, you know, goodbye. The ball has
1318
01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:27.880
not been in that spot.
1319
01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:31.640
So the reason I one of the reasons I asked
1320
01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:34.199
if we covered the prior thing. So one of one
1321
01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:36.720
of the elements of the prior MLB proposal, not the
1322
01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:44.960
PA proposal, was centered around they accepted conditionally on contingent.
1323
01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:48.079
If they take less money right contingent.
1324
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:53.560
On the acceptance of a cap and floor. They accepted
1325
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:59.479
the MLB past proposal for players who are over thirty
1326
01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:02.560
when they re free agency can do it in five
1327
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:03.960
years of service rather than six.
1328
01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:05.720
I signed an extension.
1329
01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:08.239
He did, he did, But he is the kind he is,
1330
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:12.520
the profile of player that that would part of the
1331
01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:14.640
reason he signed an extension is because he was not
1332
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:18.239
going to reach free agency until thirty three. Now. I
1333
01:11:18.319 --> 01:11:20.960
don't know that thirty two is all that much better
1334
01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:23.800
in this stace whatever, But I also want to point
1335
01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:26.680
out that even amidst that, they also said, by the way,
1336
01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:29.479
we also want to create a restrictive free agency where
1337
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:32.760
we can pay him essentially the qualifying offer offer. Yeah,
1338
01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:37.079
and we can just assign it to him. It's he
1339
01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:39.159
doesn't get to It's not a qualifying offer, it's a
1340
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:40.239
qualifying mandate.
1341
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:40.760
Yeah.
1342
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:43.239
Also, we're not changing arbitration at all.
1343
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:46.760
And also but but like it's like, oh, we've agreed
1344
01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:50.000
to this thing, and there's you know, these these guys,
1345
01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:52.000
and there are a lot of these guys because of
1346
01:11:52.119 --> 01:11:55.319
how our clubs handle players.
1347
01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:00.119
Who more we eliminate high schoolers in the drafts.
1348
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:04.039
Right exactly if because of how we ended the place
1349
01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:05.479
they hit this there are these guys that are over
1350
01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:07.880
thirty when they reach free agency, they can do it
1351
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:10.640
a year sooner. Except also we re reserve the right
1352
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:13.239
for them not to do that. Now, look it costs,
1353
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:15.960
but that one year of cost is less than the
1354
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:20.279
contract they would get as a free agent, right if
1355
01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:23.199
they're worth they would only do it if they're worth
1356
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:27.039
screwing over to do it, right, Like, it's just it's.
1357
01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:29.760
Like it's like a franchise tag. Basically it is not
1358
01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:31.880
even not even as good as a franchise tag.
1359
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:33.319
Yes it is.
1360
01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:34.880
It is a franchise tag.
1361
01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:41.279
Yeah, literally everyone instead of just like six dudes, it's it's.
1362
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:43.239
But even right to your point, not as good. I
1363
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:46.279
believe in the NFL the franchise tag, other teams can,
1364
01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:49.960
if it would be worth it, still sign those guys
1365
01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:53.960
and take a draft pick penalty to do so. Not
1366
01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:55.800
the case here, as far as I can tell, it
1367
01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:59.680
would The free agency restriction is you're getting paid this
1368
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:04.680
oh to forego free agency. As I read it, it's
1369
01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:09.640
possible I did not read it correct. Anyway, that is
1370
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:11.399
that is our show up until the game.
1371
01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:15.800
Okay, all right, So this game was supply supplied by Colin.
1372
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:20.159
Thank you Colin for doing this after you should have
1373
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:22.600
supplied the game last week. Colin Richard, you should have
1374
01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:24.159
You should have supplied the game last week when he
1375
01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:25.920
was here and then he might have won.
1376
01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:28.600
Oh sorry, real host, Colin.
1377
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:31.800
All right, So this one is a very simple one.
1378
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.399
It's called pension, man uh. And so all you have
1379
01:13:34.439 --> 01:13:36.119
to do, we're just gonna do it together as a group.
1380
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:38.399
All I have to do is I'm going to name
1381
01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:40.560
off a player and you just tell me if they
1382
01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:42.880
have reached ten years of service time. And boy, I'm
1383
01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:44.439
not going to do well at this because I only
1384
01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:46.960
think of things in terms of years and not service.
1385
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:48.840
I'm sorry say this again.
1386
01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:51.000
What I'm going to name a player, you tell me
1387
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:54.000
whether that you have reached whether that players reached ten
1388
01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:56.479
years ten years of service time? Okay, Right, So if
1389
01:13:56.479 --> 01:13:57.399
you've been following.
1390
01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:01.600
On a b RES page or lay a VP player card,
1391
01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:04.720
it is it's amount of time actually spend in the majors.
1392
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:08.880
Okay, So we'll start with Kyle Schwarber and you guys
1393
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:12.560
can just say what you feel. What do you feel like?
1394
01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:16.199
Yes, I'm actually I'm pretty.
1395
01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:19.359
Sure I'm gonna doing some math in my head.
1396
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:22.720
You can, I'm saying it. I don't want I'm not
1397
01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:24.600
trying to sway you, Jeff, but I'm pretty sure I
1398
01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:26.600
saw something marking that he had done it.
1399
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:28.000
I think that's the Yeah.
1400
01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:30.119
I think he also has ten and five.
1401
01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:33.520
Rights, So yeah, I think I think that's right now
1402
01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:35.359
that i'm because, yeah, he missed that year, but he
1403
01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:37.000
would have been on the sixty he was in the majors.
1404
01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:38.720
Who would have been major league service time for it?
1405
01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:39.439
Yeah.
1406
01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:46.680
Next one, Harrison Bater. Oh, that is just.
1407
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:50.600
Colin. If you had started with Harrison. Now maybe we
1408
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:52.239
were wrong on Schwarber and that's fine, but if you
1409
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:54.600
had started with Bader, that's just right off the bat,
1410
01:14:54.640 --> 01:14:58.199
that like one of the biggest edge cases. Yeah, he's
1411
01:14:58.279 --> 01:14:59.359
played for ten teams.
1412
01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:06.359
I think I'm gonna say, now, oh man, it's.
1413
01:15:06.279 --> 01:15:09.479
Been hurt Padrick. What are you saying? I say no,
1414
01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:16.760
you're saying no too, I think yeah, yeah, I'm gonna.
1415
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:22.319
No. I'm gonna say, Okay, how do you biased.
1416
01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:26.760
Gotta be?
1417
01:15:26.920 --> 01:15:31.479
Yeah, I don't know if he has to be like
1418
01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:31.800
he was.
1419
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:35.800
He didn't get he didn't get yo yo. He's been
1420
01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:38.279
bad or hurt or whatever, but he's been there.
1421
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:45.000
Okay, yes, all right, Chris Bassett, I'm gonna say, what.
1422
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:46.520
Is he's like thirty five?
1423
01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:46.880
Right?
1424
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:49.159
How late did he start older than that? I think
1425
01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:51.920
he did, But he was like an up and down
1426
01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:54.039
reliever for a bit to take a swing man, So
1427
01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:55.039
I don't know how long.
1428
01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:58.159
God, he's grizzled. I think just on his beard.
1429
01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:00.880
Alone, who should be I'm gonna say now just his
1430
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:03.600
face is is a ten years of service face. I'm
1431
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:05.680
also it feels like a trap, so I'm gonna say no.
1432
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:10.840
Also, okay, Tommy fam oh my god, oh.
1433
01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:15.880
Man, I mean like he came up late. He came
1434
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:16.359
up late.
1435
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:17.840
It's so much DFA.
1436
01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:22.359
He also like keeps signing like and.
1437
01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:26.680
Then the first on the roster, right, like, I'm gonna say.
1438
01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:28.800
No, we can't keep agreeing on everything.
1439
01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:34.720
You're gonna say no, all right, Adam Frazer, I don't
1440
01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:35.640
say yes this one.
1441
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:37.600
Just say no. I don't think he's he was another
1442
01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:38.399
guy that came up late.
1443
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Mhm. He does just stay on rosters though he does
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like he's not.
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Like he just is on the Angels, Like he's just
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on the Angels.
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Yeah, but like it's not like they're cutting him and
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resigning him and adding it back and whatever. I think
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I want to say yes, I don't.
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He signs the minor league deal, but then he's just
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in the majors.
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But from the start of the season, next on Wilson Contrares,
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I was like a look at his is he not.
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Looking at his I know player page he played, I
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know he's played in eleven seasons. Becomes I'm going to
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say no, I'm.
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Gonna say no, I'm gonna say yes.
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Okay, So Craig and I are still all right holding
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common Oh fuck god, Yeah, this one's hard. Yeah God, I'm.
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Not going to say it. I'm gonna go last because
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I think I know the answer.
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Yeah, that's smart of you. I mean, Jeff knows more
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than I'm going to say. I'm going to say yes,
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all right.
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I'm gonna say no. I'm pretty sure he came up
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to the end of twenty seventeen, so I don't think
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he's there yet.
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Right, Anthony Rindoon, it's gotta be yes.
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Yeah, but it's not on like the restricted list or whatever.
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I mean, he might be now, but like I think
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he's got his ten years.
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Well, no, they agreed to whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Trevor's story.
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I mean, I want to go last on this one.
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01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:26.640
Yeah. I was gonna do the opposite of you, all right,
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01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:27.399
just so I could.
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Oh, you're gonna do the opposite of me.
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No, No, I'll go after Jeff all right, Jeff Trevor's story.
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01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:37.479
He was definitely a six plus guy because he came
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up the end of that season and he signed with
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the Red Socks. How fucking long has even with the
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01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:44.119
Red song.
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01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:45.760
That's that's the math I was doing.
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Yeah, I am going to say he is just under
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01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:51.760
just under Yeah, let me say.
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01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:52.840
I think he's over.
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01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:55.319
Yeah, okay, I will go with under that, even though
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01:18:55.359 --> 01:18:57.439
I probably think you're right. Craig just so that we
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get different because I think that was number ten and
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we're gonna stop here, all right, son, So he gave
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01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:08.079
ten and then he's like, here's another, here's more. He
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01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:12.319
put another eight in in case, but another two, Colin,
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01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:16.039
and we can we'll use another game another time, all right,
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01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:22.039
So let's reveal and let's see. So Kyle Schwarber, the
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01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:27.880
answer is yes, ten point zero eight six. Harrison thought, Yeah,
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01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:31.199
Harrison Bader, the answer is no, so we're all eight
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01:19:31.279 --> 01:19:32.840
point eight point zero three.
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01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:34.640
Yeah, he was like just a free agent.
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01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:38.880
So we're all tied at too, so far. Next one,
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Hobby Bias. The answer is yes, ten point zero eight nine.
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01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:46.920
Him and Scher were basically.
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01:19:47.079 --> 01:19:50.000
He played in the twenty fifteen playoffs, so I assumed
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01:19:50.039 --> 01:19:51.920
that he was more than Chris Bassett.
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01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:54.199
The answer is no, nine point one three. Oh, so
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01:19:54.319 --> 01:19:59.600
we are all four four five Tommy Fan. The answers yes, no,
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01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:04.720
oh yeah, yeah, wow, ten point zero nine two more
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01:20:04.800 --> 01:20:08.159
than swarm Wow. Okay, and finally we because if we
1508
01:20:08.239 --> 01:20:11.680
have a different answer, we have a differentiator. It is
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01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:16.239
Adam Frazer is is no. So Jeff takes takes the
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01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:18.600
lead and he's going to continue to take the lead
1511
01:20:18.680 --> 01:20:21.680
because Wilson Contreras is no and Ahmed Rosario is no.
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01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:25.439
Wilson Contreras is at nine point one, Ahmed Rosario is
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01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:26.880
eight point zero six.
1514
01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:29.079
Which, yeah, he came up. He came up late in
1515
01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:29.880
twenty seventeen.
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01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:33.399
Anthony Rin doone. The answer is yes, he was way
1517
01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:36.000
over twelve point one three zero. We all got that
1518
01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:39.039
one right. And Trevor Story, the answer is yes. So
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01:20:39.159 --> 01:20:42.079
Craig wits went back. But Jeff's gonna win this one walking.
1520
01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:44.760
Is he like just over.
1521
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:50.640
Trevor story? Was it? No, he's exactly ten as a Friday.
1522
01:20:50.439 --> 01:20:54.000
Oh, okay, I miscalculated when he got called back as.
1523
01:20:53.960 --> 01:20:54.800
Of which Friday?
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01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:55.840
Last Friday?
1525
01:20:56.039 --> 01:20:58.119
Okay, I didn't know if we were getting a fucking
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01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:03.600
benefit that would only be right.
1527
01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:07.920
So congratulations to Jeff, who wins first place with eight.
1528
01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:09.439
Craig at six I had five.
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01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.439
It's important to have that Adam Fraser knowledge on this show.
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01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:15.439
It really, it really is it really really you got
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01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:16.840
to know things about Adam Fraser.
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01:21:17.359 --> 01:21:19.680
Can Thank you to Colin for the game king, gradualations
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01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:22.159
to Jeff. Thank you to our listeners for joining us
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