Moriarty Returns! | With Daniel Davis | TNG 6.12, "Ship In A Bottle," | T7R #368

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Sherlock Holmes program three to A has demonstrated some very
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curious anomalies. Lieutenant Wharf can't launch four A class probes,
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and Professor Moriarty is brilliant in any century. Hello everybody,
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and welcome to the Seventh Rule.
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With sarrock Lofton.
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Hello.
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Hello, my name is Ryan T. Huskins.
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Today we're doing a review of Star Trek the Next Generation,
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Season six, episode twelve, Ship in a Bottle, Written by
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Renee Etcheveria, directed by Alexander Singer. This was January twenty third,
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nineteen ninety three. Where were you, everybody? We've got a
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very special guest. He's brilliant in any century. It's the one,
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the only, the legendary, mister Daniel Davis. How are you today, sir?
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I'm very well. Thank you for having me here.
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This is an absolute thrilled first.
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Yeah, this is awesome. Yeah, we really appreciate you and
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your work and the time you are spending with us today.
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Let's just jump over. Let's just jump into this first
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things First, sure, had you ever watched Star Trek before?
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Did you know anything about Star Trek before you auditioned,
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or did you just go in and say, hey, let's
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see what happens.
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No, I was with Star Trek from the very beginning.
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I was there with William Shatner and Lennon Dee Boy.
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It was science fiction has always been something that I
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am drawn to and almost in any form, I will
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watch it, and so I was a fan of Star Trek.
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And then when Next Generation happened, it was very exciting
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for me because, first of all, the whole concept of
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the Next Generation was what was so extraordinary about it.
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It had begun, of course with Roddenberry's sort of mandate
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about diversity, and that was very appealing to me right
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from the very beginning. And then because Patrick Stewart was
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somebody who I knew from his work in the theater,
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I thought, this is so brilliant to have, you know,
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a Shakespearean actor playing Captain Picard. And so yeah, I
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was really I was very aware of Next Gen. And
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then when I got the call from my agents that
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I was they wanted to see me for a role,
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I was over the moon. So I remember that day
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very well.
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Wow, Yeah, I was. First, let me say, it's a
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pleasure to meet you.
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I've heard your name spoken prior to this in conversations
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where I hear Professor.
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Moriarty, Professor Moriarty, and I'm like, this guy must be
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big because he's made the impact.
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And so, you know, you hear titles of episodes, you
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hear of characters that stick over the years, and the
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chatter is amongst the fans almost eternally because they are
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attached to these characters and they're impacted by these moments,
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and so it was a real pleasure for me to
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really see, oh, this is the moment where I get
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to dive into a nice Professor Moriarty episode and get,
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you know, the teeth of what he's about, and what
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I really think he's about is an excellent adversary, let's say,
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or a compliment to Picard as far as a challenge
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to his intellect. And I believe that's what resonated most
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to me about your performance.
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I enjoyed the wit, obviously, your voice.
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Your delivery clearly emanates from the stage, and just all
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of the presents that you brought, but clearly, for me,
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the most.
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Important was the.
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Gamesmanship, the outwitting, you know, and that's what I thought
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was the best about your performance is because Picard data
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rarely matched with a challenge that seems like somebody's out smartingen.
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Yeah, it was that. I loved the first episode, Elementary
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Dear Data was a great episode, but Ship in a
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Bottle for me is one of the best episodes period
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of Next Generation, and not because I'm in it, but
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because of the concept of it, and from the very beginning,
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the combination of the Conan Doyle mythology with the Star
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Trek mythology was the perfect marriage as far as the
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fans would be concerned. And the fact that Moriarty started
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out as in the first episodes as a villain and
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then things began to evolve for him as he began
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to recognize his power, and it was a brilliant concept
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that you know, he was well, I mean, he manages
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to take over the ship from inside the Holidays. It's
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pretty brilliant. And I loved because Patrick and I both
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come from the stage, we had a kind of connection that,
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you know, I mean, the other actors on the show
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are are stage actors as well, but Patrick and I
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have even played some of the same parts in the theater,
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so really had a lot. Yeah, and we had a
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lot to talk about, and I think there was a
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mutual respect between us that showed through in our performances
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with each other. And I don't know it just it
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was magic. You know, everything about it was pure magic,
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the writing.
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Yeah, and I fully agree with you.
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And you know, I want to say, because you mentioned
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that you think it's one of the best episodes of
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Star Trek, and I want to agree to that point
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because one of the things that it touched is on
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is the becoming of sentient life, which is which is
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you know respected. I think in Picard's you know, initial uh,
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you know, confrontation with you, I think he's really respectful
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of the idea that you may have become alive, right,
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and you can see he doesn't want to uh.
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He was delicate with how to treat a new life.
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For exactly exactly. Yeah.
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Yeah, So that was a great point as far as
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just that debate in itself is something new.
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You know, that's a beautiful thing for scienfic.
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You know.
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It's interesting too because uh Descartes who coined the phrase
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cogito ergo sum I think therefore I am. But what's
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interesting about that phrase is that the first part of
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it is left off because in the actual quote he says,
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dubit ergo cogito, cogito ergo soon. I doubt therefore, I think,
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I think therefore I am. That's the original quote and
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it is the I think part is the part that
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appeals to the card, and it appealed to Geene Roddenberry
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as well. There was an interesting thing that happened in
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the very first episode. There's an exchange where I say,
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then you must kill me, when he's saying if you
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you know, I can't survive off of the holiday, and
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the line that I had originally was then you must
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do murder. And we shot it, finished it and left
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and I finished the episode and went off and was
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about to do something else when my agent called and said,
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you have to come back because they want to reshoot
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a line. And they had the set still there, and
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I came back and I said, then you must kill me.
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Because mister Roddenberry came down to the set that day,
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which he very seldom did, according to Patrick, and he said,
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I brought you back because I cannot have you say
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that Picard could do a murder. And so this whole
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I mean, that's how keen mister Roddenberry was on authenticity
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for the characters and making sure that nobody ever committed
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to doing something. It was like, you said to me,
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we're going to have you back because Picard has promised
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to find a way to bring you back, so we're
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going to do another episode with you. And he said
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it'll take a while, but we're going to do it.
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And then they got into that whole mess when they
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did Sherlock Holmes and the characters without permission from the
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Conan Doyle Society, right, so it was a lawsuit. It
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took two or three years to sab before I actually
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got back to do another episode. But it was a big,
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big maguilla that just an oversight, you know, that no
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one really connects. Everyone assumed that it was in the
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public domain because it had been fifty years since Colna Doyle,
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more than fifty years since he had died, but that
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wasn't the case. Anyway, I digressed. I'm sorry I got
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off on a tangent.
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Not at all.
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This is great stuff that I hadn't heard this before.
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And Daniel, there was another aspect, you know, as Sarak
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first mentioned one aspect of it, there was another aspect
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that was really important to your character, which was self determination.
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And that's a very admirable motivation. You are a villain.
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You are not only a villain.
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In the stories. You are basically the villain or certainly
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the antagonist of this episode and of the characters. Yet
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you have these aspects to your characters, and these your
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character and these motivationtions that kind of stop us in
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our tracks. It's very uh, you know, we can empathize
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with this because the first thing we think is, well, yeah,
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he should have self determination. Suddenly this guy doesn't seem
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so bad. There's a lot of depth to your character,
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and you played it so well. Do you remember thinking
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this or reading the script and really thinking I can
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definitely sink my teeth into it.
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Yes. Can I tell you exactly why? Because having played
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some pretty dastardly characters in Shakespeare, including Iago for example,
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my philosophy about playing villains is that the villain is
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the hero of his story. The villain does not know
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that he is a villain. He is the hero to
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his story. So he has depth, he has humanity, he
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has a reason, and especially in this context, because without
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his health determination, he is going to disappear. He's going
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to cease to exist, and that is something that as
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a sentient being which he clearly has been programmed to be.
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And as you will recall, he's programmed by Jeordie to
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be someone who can defeat data. So his intelligence is
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that of you know, he's he has comprehends everything about
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the ship. He knows everything about the enterprise how it works,
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which is why he's able to function the way he is.
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But all along he is wanting to stay alive, and
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that is the driving force. So I think that that
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that's my answer to your question, is that a villain
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is only Yeah, a villain is a hero to himself.
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He's only governments to other people who are trying to say,
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you know, we can't have you in our lives and
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in our culture. And you know there are there are
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probably examples all over the world and all through history
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of people that most of us considered to be villainous,
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but they always had a point of view that we
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never really gave much thought to.
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Absolutely, and let me also compliment you on the way
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you delivered those lines in this episode, because I noticed
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that you didn't have a temper or raise your voice
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or act violently. You were very manipulative, manipulative in a
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in a intellectual sophisticated way, and I thought that resonated
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as well. For example, when you told the forage, I
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sense a distressing lack of enthusiasm, and then you up
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the stakes of everything, and I thought that was such
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a clever. It was diabolical, but but so so pleasant
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for me to watch you engage in.
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I don't know how else they say it's thank you.
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That's the other example of that was when you said
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I have nothing to lose, Commander, when he said, you
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know this is all going to we're all going to die,
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and you're like, well, that seems like a you problem.
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You know, You're so right. A Renee script was so brilliant.
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I mean, I don't know if he wrote it completely
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by himself or if there was a group effort or whatever,
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but his name is on it, so I give him
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the full credit for having written an absolutely brilliant script. Yes,
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and that touch of humor is also something that's you know,
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it goes back to Conan Doyle as well. I mean,
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I don't know how many of the Sherlock Holmes stories
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are books that you have read, but he Moriarty is
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a very clever man. It's not just that he is
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a clever criminal. It's that he's a clever human being
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and he has wit, he has charm, he has sex appeal,
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he has a woman, and he's a very fleshed out
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character in the books, and Renee managed to bring that
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all those qualities into this episode. It was it was
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like being in a play for me. It really felt
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that way. Yeah. It was that well conceived, that well written,
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that well directed and acted by everybody in the cast,
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and so it did feel like we were doing a play.
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And Daniel the concepts is Oh, I'm sorry good.
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I was just going to say, you mentioned the lady,
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the Countess Bartholomew. Yes, I have rarely seen a more charming,
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better actress that just demanded that we watch her. She
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was just blew me away. Can you tell us a
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little bit about the actress Stephanie.
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Beach Stefanie Beacham, Yeah, I can't. I adored Stephanie. She
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she has, you know, a long history on the stage
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in England and a long history of television work and
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as well in the States. In fact, she was on
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Dynasty back in the eighties I think, and I did
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seven episodes of Dynasty, but but never got to work
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with Stephanie. So she brought that same sort of theatricality
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that that I brought to the role, right And I
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remember Patrick and I having a funny discussion about what
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to call her because her name in this was written
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R E G I N A uh. And I said,
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are we going to call her Regina or Regina? And
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he said, well, what do you think? And I said, well,
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you know, I don't want it to sound like Vagina.
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you know, it's interesting because the only character in literature
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right off the top of my head that I could
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think of at that point was Regina Giddons, who is
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the villainess in The Little Foxes by Lillian Hellman. And
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then I said, so that's American pronunciation would be Regina,
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but Queen Victoria was known as Victoria Regina, so I
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think we maybe should call her Regina and he said, okay,
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just make sure it's always.
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Reagina real hard get that R.
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the time we just called it the countess.
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I tell you, And there wasn't anybody you know, else
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to talk to about it at that point. We had
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to make a decision right then and there, so it
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ended up being Regina.
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You mentioned Geen roden Berry, and it's very rare that
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I think anybody comes here and says that they had
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conversations with Gene Rodenberry outside of the Next Generation cast
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right and the original series. But you know, tell me
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about that interaction, Like, was that something that was you
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did you know him prior or did he introduce himself
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or was his character something personal that meant more to
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like I.
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Think they were. You know, I'm going by things that
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I've been told by Brand and George and LeVar and
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even Patrick that this the two episode, the two of
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Sherlock Holmes episodes were very special to mister Roddenberry because
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he had grown up on the stories in the mythology
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and when somebody pitched the idea, he was over the
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moon for it. So I think it was something that
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he really wanted to get right and he wanted to
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do it well so that the as I said earlier,
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the fans of that mythology would be pleased to see it.
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And so, I mean, the depiction that Brent gave of
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Holmes was so wonderfully accurate, and you know that sort
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of you know, grandiosity that Holmes has in the books,
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and so everything about that was working. His visit to
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the set happened the second time that I mean, that
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happened the time that I went back to do a
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reshoot and we had we had just rehearsed the moment,
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and it was clear that mister Roddenberry must have been
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watching in his office on the monitor or something, because
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the next thing I knew, Patrick said, hang on just
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a minute, we have a visitor. And my back was
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to his entrance and I didn't and so I turned around,
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and I'd never seen a picture of him, I'd never
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met him. I didn't know. And he came right up
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to me, took my hand and said, I'm Jeene Roddenberry.
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I just want to welcome you back, and I have
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this line change that's very important. And then he said,
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and besides, Picard has promised you in this episode that
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he will bring you back, and Picard never lies. And
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I thought, wow, So I thought, well, I'll wait and
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see and indeed, as I've already mentioned, it took several
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years for it to happen. But fortunately for me, I
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always wore my hair really really long back in the eighties,
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so I still had the hair when I got the
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call to come and do Ship in a Bottle, and
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I thought, thank god, Bob Blackman would kill me if
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I'd had a haircut.
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And and I had.
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do The Nanny and we were about to shoot the
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pilot about two weeks after I came back to do
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Ship in a Bottle, so I hadn't cut my hair
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off yet for the Butler perfect, which was saving grace. Yeah,
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so amazing. The only thing I didn't have this time
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I had gray hair when they brought me back to
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be on Star Trek the card and I thought, do
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Holidack creations get old.
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In sci fi? Anything happens, they can explain anything away.
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And you a full circle story though, yeah, yeah, the.
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Full circle story is about my appearance on Elsbeth.
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As Doctor Yablonski.
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Yes, Doctor Yablonski. I've done one episode in each of
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their seasons. Now this is their third season, and I've
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come back for the third season in the same character.
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But the full circle about it is that in nineteen
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eighty five I was at the Williamstown Theater Festival and
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I was playing General Bergloin in the Devil's Disciple of
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George Bernard Shaw play, playing opposite Richard Thomas and Tom
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Atkins and Patricia Clarkson's first job out of school and
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Dylan Baker's first theater job out of Yale. So it
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was a very good cast. But in those days, the
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artistic director did not use union people to build sets
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and costumes. He charged young students to come and work
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as apprentices all summer long, and they made the close,
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they made the sets, they did everything. And he assigned
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me a young guy who had just graduated from high school,
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literally just gotten out of twelfth out of the twelfth grade,
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and was about to be a freshman at Yale where
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mister Sakaroppa was the artistic director was still was teaching.
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And so this young man was assigned to me to
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be my dresser because I had a very elaborate wig
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that had to be reset after every performance and a
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British Revolutionary Officers general's costume that had to be you know,
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steamed and cleaned every after every performance. This young man
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is now the showrunner of Elsbeth.
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Yes, his name was Jonathan Tolans. He was my dresser
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in nineteen eighty five and he now is the showrunner
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of Elsbeth. And I did a zoom audition for an
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episode and sent it in. My agents sent it in,
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and three days later my phone rang, and I've had
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John in my phone ever since, and we've not seen
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each other that much, but he became a very successful
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playwright and also stayed in touch with emails at holiday
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and so forth. And the phone rang and I looked
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and it said John Tolan's and I said, John Tolans,
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my god, I haven't heard from you in an age.
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And he said, I know. Don't you think it's about
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time you come to work for me?
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Fantastic?
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So he hired me for that. And he has this
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thing that is he's trying very hard to do with
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this series. He's trying to bring back characters in the
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same roles except for the villains. He's bringing back people
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who've been on the show in the first and second
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seasons to just do a scene. I went in and
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I did one scene a couple of weeks ago with
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Carrie Preston, who is the most delightful person in the
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world to work with. And so it's I think it's
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the episode number five of season three, but that's the
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three hundred and sixty degrees. It's sort of like that
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old saying from AC you've heard it. I know you
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have be nice to the people on the way up
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because you'll meet the same once on the way down.
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Yeah, you never know who'll be working for. And yeah,
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a full circle. You had somewhat of a full circle
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in Star Trek as well, with a different showrunner season
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three of Star Trek Picard. I don't think you ever
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expected to hear that phone ring again for Star Trek.
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I don't know if you're aware, but if fans went
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ballistic when there was a trailer yes with your voice,
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and we were like, are you kidding me? Right now?
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We all went nuts.
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Did you go half as nuts when you got the call?
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Oh? I went twenty times as nuts. And I'll tell
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you why. When I read that Patrick was coming back,
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I got very excited. First of all, all I had
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to hear was and I was in tears. I mean
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the first episode because I just devoted to the series,
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and I devoted to him and his characterization as I
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am to all of them. They're such a wonderful group
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of actors and people. And I started thinking to myself,
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wouldn't it be interesting if I got a call to
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do it? And I kept my fingers crossed, and I
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kept thinking, it's going to happen. First season over no call,
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second season over no call. And so the mid it
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was December of twenty twenty one. We were in the
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middle of COVID and my phone rang. I've told this
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story so many times, but my phone rang, I said
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to her it was my agent, my agent's boys. Do
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I know? Right away? He said, we've heard from Star
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Trek And I said yes. He said, don't you want
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to know what? I said, it doesn't matter, it's whatever
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it is. It's a yes. And so he said, all right,
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I'll let them know. So they did. It was it
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was all about Terry Metallis. I found out later that
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Terry was a huge fan of moriogy of those episodes,
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and he was in that third season starting to bring
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back I mean, he brought back the whole basically most
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of the cast from the original series and he wanted
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to bring back characters that in his mind stood out
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for you know, with the fans and their feelings about it.
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So so I flew out, and of course I was.
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I think the limo driver gave me a COVID test
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in the car before before I had. I had more
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things up my nose than usual during that period, and
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it it was. And I never met Terry until we
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were in Las Vegas, and I just went over and
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hugged him and thanked him and said, you know, you've
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you made my day. I had written a scenario in
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my head that the episode was going to be about
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Picard fulfilling his promise to me to make me a
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real boy finally. So that was what I had written
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in my head. And of course I never saw the
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complete script. I saw my sides, and I couldn't make
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hens or tails of who I was in those sides
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because I thought, this isn't the Moriarty that the way
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we ended it, because he's gone back now to being
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a villain. He's there with a gun pointing, shooting guns
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at people, and that's that's not the Moriarty that we
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had before. And I didn't know till I watched the
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episode literally what it was about. I knew what I
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was doing my function in it, but you know, it
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was calling everybody's attention to where data was and leading
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them to data who they were missing. And so I
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was giving, you know, Jonathan Frake's character clues about I'm
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here to help you find data, however I have to
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do it. If I have to shoot you to do it,
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I will. But that was sort of what what the
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my episode was about, which I really put together when
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I sat down several months later to watch it away.
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It was exactly Pinocchio time, was it?
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There's still timing?
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Well, yeah, definitely. Watching you has been one of the
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great joys of this show.
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And I would say that, you know, honestly, you're you're
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probably my favorite villain on the Next Generation, and I
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know people will have a lot of debate for that
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and argue their.
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Other very beloved character.
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I would say that you are my favorite because because
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I like complex characters, I like smart characters, I like
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witty characters. And then I thought also that the real
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twist on this episode was that you had a dream
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to to find you know, to be with your love
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and go back to Earth, and that was well that's
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kind of not.
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A yeah, that's not the worst thing.
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I can kind of like can totally relatable.
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Right, that's reasonable.
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Yes, I mean it's it's extremely human of him to
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put it back. I mean, it's just he wanted everything
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that they had. It's what he kept saying to them,
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I want what you have. It's interesting because I thought
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there could be, you know, someday, maybe there would even
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be a follow up to what was it. Yeah, it
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was Harker who said, go to Meris too. They're they're
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nice people there. Yeah.
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I thought they were follow up too, Yes, yeah, And I.
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Thought, wouldn't it be interesting? But then Stephanie god Lover.
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Stephanie came to a convention three years ago. Maybe it
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was the first time she'd been invited. That was the
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first time she came. She was absolutely appalled by it.
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She just said, what the hell? These people are insane
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and she.
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Just welcome the fandom.
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I said, this is this is your family, girl, These
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are you know, people who love you. And she has
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retired completely from the profession. She lives in Majorca and
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she will not leave home. So I think she's been
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invited back several times and she just thanks them kindly
486
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and says no at least, I mean.
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Well, why would you want to leave my orca anyways, there,
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but Daniel, this has been the thrill of a lifetime.
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It's been so wonderful to have you. Incredible character, incredible actor.
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You've charmed us out of our seats, both as an
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actor and as a guest on our show. We can't
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say enough of our appreciation for you. So thank you
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very much for hanging out with us for a bit.
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Oh, it's been my total pleasure. I hope to see
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you at some conventions. I hope to meet you in
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person and we can sit down and have another chat someday.
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Yeah, it's gonna be great. All right, everybody stick around.
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We've got a lot more coverage of this episode. Will
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be right back on the Seventh Rule. Hello, everybody, Welcome
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back to the Seventh Rule with Siroc Frickin' Loft and Hello.
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Here are the trivioids of the week, everybody, They go
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a little something like this. By the way, God, Daniel
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Davis was just the coolest guy ever. You're like basking
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00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.200
the afterglow of hanging out with Daniel Davis for the
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last fifteen minutes. So here are the trivioids. Sherlock Holmes
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Program three A has demonstrated some very curious anomalies. The
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Enterprise has arrived at the Detyrian sect. I can't even
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say this. The Enterprise has arrived at the Detrian system
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to observe a unique celestial event, the collision of two planets.
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00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.720
Captain Picart tosses a book out of the Holidack. Professor
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Moriarty recognizes policemen in any century. Professor Moriarty would like
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to go above deck of the Enterprise. Lieutenant Wharf can't
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launch four Class A probes. A deadline has a wonderful
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way of concentrating the mind. Professor Moriarty is brilliant in
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any century. Countless sorry, Countess Regina Regina Bartholomew went on
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safari in Africa with her uncle. Captain Picard. Can see
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Countess Bartholomew is a woman not only of breeding, but
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of wit and sagacity. I had to look that one up,
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all right, So you know, Soraka, I'm gonna be honest
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with you. This is another one of those episodes that
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really kind of grew on me this time around, so
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00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:36.799
much so that I feel like this episode took the
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00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:41.920
biggest leap up of any episode that I had seen
524
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:43.720
in the past. You know, in the past, you see something,
525
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you remember it, you think about it. I hadn't seen
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it in twenty years or whatever it's been maybe once
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in the last twenty five years. I watched it again
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00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.920
today and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Not
529
00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:58.519
only this is this a good concept that I remembered
530
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:03.079
and liked, but I actually just enjoyed the episode through
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and through. The guest stars were unbelievable. However, you've never
532
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seen it before, so I really want to know, what
533
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did you think of this episode?
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00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:15.279
Yeah?
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This was Look, anytime you get Barkley in an episode,
536
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it's nice, you're getting something good.
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It's like, all right, off top, it's a tree.
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It's as soon as as soon as they said Barkley's names, like,
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is this a nam Barkley or is this are we
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getting another because you're right, Barkley episodes or quality episodes.
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Right So right away, as soon as I see him,
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I'm like, Okay, this is going to be good. You know,
543
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:46.839
my wheels are spinning. So I'm thinking, where do we
544
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.519
lease last see Barkley? What is his mental state at
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this point, because you know, he's up and down and
546
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.400
you never know which Barkley you are going to get,
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00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:58.359
right he is he settled into his role or are
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their imaginations of things going on in his mind? So
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00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:03.599
part of me actually thought that this was going to
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be more Barkley centered, because I thought Barkley was going
551
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.679
to be going to the captain to say, hey, Moriarty
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is actually real, and when they go to check, he's not,
553
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and and.
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00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:18.639
You know, and it's another nutty Barkley episode.
555
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:24.239
Oh that's Barkley, Yeah, exactly. He's always making things up
556
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:26.599
in his head or whatever. And so I thought that's
557
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where we were going in the.
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Beginning when they brought Barklay to uh.
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So I was actually surprised that he actually went you know,
560
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:39.320
this played out for real because and he really wasn't too.
561
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Elementary to the story so much.
562
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:48.360
It was just say elementary elementary idea.
563
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:53.239
So yeah, I thought, I thought this episode was fantastic.
564
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I hadn't seen it before.
565
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:58.400
You know, definitely see Moriarty before that other Sherlock episode
566
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:02.840
we saw h But again, like I told mister Daniel
567
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:05.920
Davis that I think that his performance was excellent and
568
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:10.440
he you know, there's moments when you're cheering for him,
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and there's moments when you're and to me, that's like
570
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:17.559
the Goldlukot effect. There's moments when I'm watching ducat where
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he's making a reasonable, rational request that is understandable and
572
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relatable to almost any sentient being. Like you're like, Okay,
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he's a father who's caring for his daughter or whatever
574
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the moment is, and you start to see some humanity
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in him.
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And I think that this Moriarty.
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Character had much more of that actually, as far as
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humanity in him. You know, there was a level of
579
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:53.239
it looked like he wasn't trying to play a game.
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That was the beautiful setup of.
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Yeah, the earnestness of it that he's coming out. He's
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just like, look, by any means necessary, I want my life,
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I want my freedom, I want my pursuit of happiness,
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and either you give it to me or I figure
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out a way to make you give it to me.
586
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.960
And it's all very as you said, reasonable, it's understandable,
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it's relatable, we get it. And before we get into that,
588
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though a little bit more on Barkley, I liked that
589
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this was not a Barkley centric episode. Now, Barkley is
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one of my favorite characters, but what this tells you
591
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is the episode doesn't have to be about Barkley. In fact,
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it's better that it's not, because that means he's now
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part of the crew. He can now be this recurring
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character where it's not just like a one note or
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a one trick pony.
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Where he is the anomaly exactly.
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Now he's part of the solution. He's part of the team.
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He's part of the crew. He's not the wrench and
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the spokes.
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You know, yes, yes, So that was a pleasure for
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me because you know, I like to see him act,
602
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but I also like to see him being involved in
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the solution as well.
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So perfect for me.
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Look, like I said, he comes out in the initial
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Moriarty appearance with Barkley. In that scene, Moriarty is saying, yes, well,
607
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I don't want you know, he's not playing the Shakespeare
608
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game at this moment. I mean, not Shakespeare, the the
609
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Sherlock Holmes.
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He's not. This is not about solving a crime.
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00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.800
We're not talking about the elizabeth Ian period or this
612
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.559
period or that or not. This isn't about you know,
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trying to stump you. It was literally about his own freedom,
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00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:48.079
his own you know, sentient experience. And so that's where
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I mentioned to Daniel about I liked how Picard and
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00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:56.599
it was interesting for him to say how much rowden
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00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:59.880
Berry was protecting Pericard's legacy.
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And that's what I noticed is on the if you've
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noticed when we've been doing.
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The recordings and I keep highlighting how they're writing for Picard,
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I keep saying, if you want your captain to look good,
622
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if you want him to look righteous, if you want
623
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.599
him to look moral and principled, and these are the ways.
624
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:18.079
This is how you're supposed to write for your captain.
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And you can see they are protecting Pericard based on
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what Daniel was talking about with roden Berry's statement that
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Picard never lies, right, so he was protecting his integrity
628
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:33.599
of truth telling, Like even though he told you this
629
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four years ago or whatever season it was, you know,
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he's still going to honor his word because he doesn't lie.
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He doesn't say I'll do something and he doesn't do it.
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So that's a reputation thing. That's protecting Pericard's reputation. That's
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what roden Berry is doing in that moment, with that
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keeping of a promise. And the second thing he's doing
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is also honoring and respecting life form. When Moriarty makes
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the declaration that I am life that I think therefore
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I am in mind over manner.
638
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:11.800
And suddenly Picard needs to take this seriously.
639
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.440
So Picard can no longer just say computer and program right,
640
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:16.960
make this go away really quick.
641
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:18.760
Now, It's like, hold on.
642
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Our mission objective is to explore new life. Our mission
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00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:28.639
objective is to engage with, explore and find new life
644
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and see what that experience is about.
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And so it becomes priority number one.
646
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To to protect this possible new life form.
647
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:45.519
Right, absolutely, And I appreciate you saying things like that,
648
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because this is just further opening my eyes to the
649
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:54.960
beauty of this episode. That is their principle guiding you know, mantra. Right,
650
00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:01.159
And even if we the viewers, and Picard the captain,
651
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:05.760
and Data the android that knows everything, even if everybody says, no,
652
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:10.199
this guy's wrong, he's just a Holid Deck character. It's
653
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:13.840
not true, it's not real. We'll figure it out. Just
654
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:19.000
the fact that he's saying this, they have to explore this.
655
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.320
They you know, it's like a doctor who's got a
656
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.840
dying patient, and they say, hey, we've got this exploratory
657
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thing that might say the life. You can't just say no,
658
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I mean this is it your your entire job. Is
659
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:33.679
this one thing? You have to take it seriously? This
660
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proclamation seriously. And I think that's a really good point.
661
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Is that stops Picard in his tracks. He says, Okay, well,
662
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we gotta we have to address this. And you know,
663
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also in what I was saying earlier, I mean, I
664
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love Regina like she was. That was something I mean
665
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:58.280
when I what's so funny I do? I love Regina?
666
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:03.880
And when I look back at this, when I look
667
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:09.079
back at this episode, I remember how smart this episode
668
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:12.000
was because what made it so intelligent, you know, on
669
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the surface, was just this idea of the holodeck within
670
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the holid deck. And then even at the end, Barkley
671
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.199
has that amazing moment where he just kind of goes
672
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:23.360
computer and program. He's like, okay, just making sure. You know,
673
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:24.920
we all kind of do that. You know, we all
674
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:26.519
do that with Barkley some dead we're like, let me
675
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:30.119
just make sure. But and I remember, you know, the
676
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:37.320
two characters, you know, Moriarty and Regina, Countess Bartholomew. But
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00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.559
what I did not remember, or what I just realized
678
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:46.199
today was just how amazing that actress is. What was
679
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:50.079
his name, Stephanie Beacham. I'm watching her and clearly she's
680
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:55.760
classically trained, you know, clearly she's theatrical. But and her character,
681
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:59.840
you know, doesn't get explored a ton, but she is
682
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:05.199
acting the hell out of that character every millisecond that
683
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:08.079
she is on the camera. She had a little bit
684
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:12.599
of Jonathan Frakes in her in that she assumes that
685
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the camera's picking up every single reaction she's doing because
686
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:21.079
she's right. And I could not stop watching her with
687
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:25.039
every it's she has. And sorry, I'm going on a
688
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:28.280
lot on this, but she has the thing that I've
689
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.920
seen one other time, and it was with Michelle Hurd,
690
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.960
where the two of them, it's almost as if they
691
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:39.239
have their life force or their positive energy that just
692
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.360
precedes them, that's right in front of them, and you're
693
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:47.480
watching their positive energy or their good energy, or they're
694
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:51.519
theatrical energy that's right in front of them. Because they
695
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:54.719
put out there it's like they've got their soul right
696
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:56.159
there bared in front of you.
697
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:59.599
And I'm watching this lady do this, and I was.
698
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:04.880
Just really blown away by her charm, by her expressions,
699
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:09.079
by her willingness to just give it all to us
700
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:12.760
and the camera. I was just really impressed. And I
701
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.480
completely missed that the previous time or times that I
702
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:18.039
watched this, So shame on me for that, But big
703
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:24.039
kudos to her for really giving it to us. I
704
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:25.199
told you, I love Regina.
705
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:31.599
I can see it was amazing, Like Regina blew you away.
706
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.159
Let me just say, you know, I did think she
707
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:40.920
had an amazing performance, and there is something really.
708
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.519
Magnetic about her performance, right.
709
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:48.639
You know, But in general, I thought this entire episode
710
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:52.639
had that for me. We always talk about Brent Speiner,
711
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:56.079
but like when Brent Speiner makes a switch from the
712
00:43:56.119 --> 00:44:00.559
Sherlock voice back to the data voice, it's so seamless. Ye,
713
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:05.280
it's so it's it's so amazing right to me, because
714
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:08.559
he's using this this accent that sher logets a slightly
715
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:12.199
British accent, you know, it's very and then he switches
716
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:15.440
into the robot accent, which is not even his normal voice.
717
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:18.960
So both of these are not his normal.
718
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:22.559
Kind of like when he was doing the Western and
719
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:24.559
he was just flipping back and forth there.
720
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.880
Yeah, so you know that's not his normal talking voice.
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So he's going from one artificial talking voice back to
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the dominant artificial talking voice of data. So I just
723
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think he's an amazing actor as well. We saw Daniel
724
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:41.079
talk about that briefly, but you know.
725
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.519
He had Picardon here just making some great moments, and.
726
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:50.039
I you know, at some point there's a moment when
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you start to suspect what is real, right, because when
728
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:58.559
when the fake Jordie was being quiet while they were talking,
729
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I was like, all right, he's definitely not the Jordan,
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because the real Jordan wouln't just d.
731
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And they're like, can you excuse us, Jordan? He's just
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00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:07.840
like okay, They're like, okay, clearly going on here.
733
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Yes, Yes, that was funny.
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And then and then part of me was thinking, is
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that the real Boo Guard, don't you know?
736
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:19.880
Like now I'm thinking who is real? You know what
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I mean?
738
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.320
So that was great, But then we got to see
739
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that deductive gate that they played. They basically tricked the computer,
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which is you know, they tricked Moriarty in his own game,
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which is super smart because he doesn't know that he
742
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:35.320
got tricked even that's the other.
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He's living out his happy ending so to speak.
744
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:45.480
Yeah, so it's it's pretty yeah.
745
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His happy ending with his love Resina.
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00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:53.519
Right, and so they're off exploring the cosmos and Barkley.
747
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:57.239
At any point can just plug that into the holidayck
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00:45:57.599 --> 00:45:59.639
and we can check in on them, be like, what's
749
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up with the guys, where have you been? What have
750
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.840
you been up to? And they're like, oh, we we've
751
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:04.880
taken over the dominion.
752
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:12.760
We're like sure, yeah, bro, exactly exactly. So, yeah, that
753
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.360
was a great story, great ending. The perfect Star Trek
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for me.
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This is this, you know, it checks all the boxes
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for good Star Trek. It might, I agree, makes you think.
757
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.280
It takes you on a nice journey, right, And notice
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00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.679
over the top with the shape, with the Sherlock stuff,
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00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:32.119
it wasn't too overly Sherlock. It wasn't overly anything. Actually,
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00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:33.880
it was pretty believable all around.
761
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:34.480
Yeah.
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You didn't need a battle, you didn't need war or
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aliens or anything. I mean, this is a bottle episode,
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a ship in a bottle episode, and.
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You know, no fight scenes.
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It didn't at.
767
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No point did it get slow or boring. It was interesting,
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it was charming, It was fun. It had some aha moments,
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there were good twists, I mean, no notes.
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You know, this is long intro too as well.
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One of I noticed that, as far as the just
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the geometry of how they put the episode together, the
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intro the opening scene was rather long for an opening scene.
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And sometimes it's just I think last time we were
775
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.679
watching an episode and it was just like Picard, you've
776
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:19.000
been relieved of your job, and.
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That's a six second intro. H speaking of six seconds,
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time for the home run of today's episode. Please at home,
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don't try to figure out what I meant by that,
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because I didn't mean anything. I was just trying to
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do a segue. Who gets the home run of today's
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episode srock Lofton.
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I'm gonna go ahead and just give it to our
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professor Moriarty.
785
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Uh, I think it's I think it's Daniel Davis's performance
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was just exceptional in this. I think he's just masterful.
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I would say, you know, as far as the most
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00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.239
memorable kind of villains that I can think of on
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00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:05.880
this show, it would be him and Q. You know,
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I know, maybe Q is not a villain per se,
791
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but let's say antagonist. I would say, He's up there
792
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as far as all time, interesting, dynamic, well acted, well
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written for characters who play antagonists in this show.
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So I want to give it to Home Run too,
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mister Daniel Davis.
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Yeah, me too, easy answer. I mean the writing was beautiful.
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It was perfect.
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00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:42.800
Again, like I said, no notes, but Daniel Davis gave
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00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:46.960
us a performance that is so memorable that three thousand
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people will give him a standing ovation. You know.
801
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You know what I want to add.
802
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I want to add one other one too, Renee et Chavaria.
803
00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.480
You know, we didn't say his name enough, but you
804
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:00.760
know he wrote this episode.
805
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The language that you know, the dialogue was amazing.
806
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:07.239
I really loved the whole Like you you mentioned Stephanie
807
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Beacham's performance, but when she starts talking about going to
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Africa and having warm trousers, the whole trip and just yeah,
809
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that was really nice. It was interesting, you know, and
810
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then just the backstory and the language of this was excellent,
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you know. So I want to give her Ana some
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you know, a lot of huge credit for just giving
813
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:29.199
us a very well developed, well rounded I couldn't find
814
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:30.400
any holes in this episode.
815
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It just it was just well completed.
816
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:35.480
It was complete and and had message in it and
817
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:37.360
a great ending as well.
818
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:38.880
Completely agree.
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Also got to give a secondary home run to Stephanie
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Beacham like I said, I was not prepared for I
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because I didn't remember it, but I watched her.
822
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:54.519
I was like, oh my god, she is well. I
823
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don't remember.
824
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Exactly what I put in my notes, but I said,
825
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I said, Regina is so fucking charming that I said,
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I just like, I don't know why I didn't realize
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this before, but she was phenomenal, So great stuff all around,
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What a good episode. Here are some other people that
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00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:20.639
are great all around and extremely charming. Their names are
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doctor Anne, Marie Siegel, Eve England out in Wales, You've
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got Blackman, Tom t J. Jackson, Bay Out in Missouri,
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Titus Mueller, doctor Mohammad Nora, and you'll oh Palatch, Joe Balsarati,
833
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Mike Goo, doctor Stephanie Baker, Carrie Schwent, Faith Howell, the
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mat Boardman, Chris McGee, Jake Barrett, Henry Hunger, Allison Leech Hide,
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Julie Manosfi, Jed Thompson, doctor Susan V. Gruner, Glenn Iverson,
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Dave Gregory, Chris Sternett, Greg k Wickster Mountain, Hawaii, Cassandra
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g Chuck A, Chris Garris, and mister charm himself Jason h.
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Oakin.
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All right, everybody, stick around, We've got much more to
840
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:05.719
discuss on the Free for All. We will be right
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back on the Seventh Rule. Well, hi there, everybody, Welcome
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00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:13.880
back to the Seventh Rule with Sarak Lofton. This is
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00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:20.440
the Free for All with Melissa L. Lungo and her
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packard shirt. Alison leech Hide is also here. Oh, she's
845
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:27.519
wearing a shirt by Walking Art made by Melissa as well.
846
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:33.039
Carrie Schwent literally just gave us the play by play
847
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on the final moments of the regular season for the
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Chicago Cubs.
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00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:40.519
She's right outside of Wrigley Field.
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00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:46.159
Chuck A is wearing an authentic Seventh Rule shirt, and
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the Dark Lord Chris McGee has his isolinear Chip Seventh
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Rule shirt as well. All right, Jake Cisco guesses the
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IMDb score.
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I'm gonna go around at eight point five?
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Interesting? Interesting?
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Does anybody else have any guesses that doesn't already know?
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Melissa has the worst proker face ever eight point two
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00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:22.480
with eight three sarrock Lofton. That sound means that you
859
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:29.280
hit exactly correct. Five there it is magic and Chuck
860
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:33.519
and Chris warning are off either, all right. Non appearance mentions.
861
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:40.960
There was a Sherlock Holmes mention, but we've never seen
862
00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.760
Sherlock not played by Data, so I don't think that's
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00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:45.000
a non appearance mentioned.
864
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:50.400
I got one. Maybe Melissa too. And now he says
865
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:54.880
he tells Barkley about his hostage. That would be that
866
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:56.760
would be doctor Pulaski.
867
00:52:57.159 --> 00:52:59.679
Yes, yes, you are so right, you guys.
868
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:02.599
That's perfect. That's a great one. I didn't even think
869
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:02.880
of that.
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00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.039
I'm gonna edit this later and make it seem like
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00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.400
I remembered that this is.
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00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:13.239
The last in the series.
873
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:17.199
Yeah, oh, Pulaski really great.
874
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:22.039
But in my head, Cannon, Pulaski is actually serving with
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00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:28.320
Jellico on the Cairo. That's in my head, Cannon, because
876
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:30.280
I think the two of them would actually be a couple,
877
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:32.519
Jellicoe and Pulaski.
878
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:39.800
Yeah, he loves four duty shifts and she's like, as
879
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:43.440
many shifts as you want, bro exactly, that's what she says,
880
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.599
Do we have any I don't know what that means
881
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:50.239
any uh. Some kinds of her, some sorts of Chris McGee.
882
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:54.519
I didn't hear any of this time around, all right.
883
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:57.119
Oh my gosh.
884
00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:00.760
And he says, I prefer a certain format on the bridge,
885
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:03.440
and she's like, I'll be as formal as you want, sir,
886
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:08.199
all right, So I don't know what that means either, Melissa.
887
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:08.559
I'm sorry.
888
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:09.960
Will you please get a start off on the right
889
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.760
track by telling us what you thought of this episode?
890
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.119
He enjoyed this episode.
891
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:21.320
Oh my gosh, I had so much fun watching this episode.
892
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:22.599
I could watch it.
893
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:27.960
Again and again and again for several reasons. One being Berkley,
894
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:35.599
two being Data, three being Moriarty, four being Picard, and
895
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:42.119
five being the amazing Countess Resina or following me. Oh
896
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:47.360
my gosh, she was fantastic. I just loved her.
897
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:51.119
I loved her in the scene where she was telling
898
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:55.000
Barkley about her trip to Africa and how she made
899
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:57.800
him giggle a couple of times, and it was so
900
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:02.239
cute and to rewinded a couple of times because the.
901
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:09.639
Way she said TITSI fly and then the way it
902
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:14.760
was so freaking cute. And I like that Barkley was
903
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:19.239
included in the episode. But it wasn't a Barkley problem.
904
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.440
He was part of the solution, which made a lot
905
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:26.639
of sense. And Moriarty was great.
906
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:28.880
Oh and I.
907
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:39.639
Learned a new word, sagacity. It's like that's fancy. Thoroughly
908
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:43.320
enjoyed this episode. There was something else I was going
909
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:48.559
to mention, but I forgot what it is. However, Eve
910
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:54.599
said that she thoroughly enjoyed this episode two and she
911
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:58.480
also mentioned that she misses doctor Pulaski.
912
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:06.199
Oh, come on, nobody said that. You've said that, just kidding.
913
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:10.079
Oh, but there's a lot more to say in things
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00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:16.360
left unsaid. Oh, I have some questions for things left unsaid,
915
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:21.079
So if you're a patron, look for that. If you're
916
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:24.320
not a patron, become a patron so you can watch it.
917
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:31.079
Great stuff as always, Thank you very much, Melissa Longo,
918
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.480
Alison Leech Hide, I d S.
919
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:36.760
What do you think of this episode?
920
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:37.800
It is a.
921
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:41.440
Fun episode, you know, we're kind of led down one
922
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path and revealed to be over here and keeps you
923
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:49.840
guessing and wonderfully acted by everyone. And I cancur that
924
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:54.639
the Countess is like such a fun surprise. She is wonderful.
925
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:58.039
I think Stephanie Beacham did a great job as the
926
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:00.360
Countess and was kind of like the highlight for me
927
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because she was wonderful and great hat. I mean, sometimes
928
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:08.440
an entire character can just be in a hat, and
929
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:11.079
I'm sure wearing that hat was great.
930
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:14.199
And yeah, I mean.
931
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.760
When Data figures out that they're still in the holidack
932
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.599
just by throwing something to Jordie like, that's not right.
933
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:25.519
My friend doesn't do that, like, no, easy. Both of
934
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us wouldn't notice, you know, like that, but Data would.
935
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So I thought that was that was a nice catch.
936
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And like the first time I watched this episode, I
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00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:39.639
mean way back, you know, as a child, I still
938
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:43.280
remember when Barkley says, all Sherlock files. I'm like, no,
939
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:47.960
don't do that. Why didn't Jordie say not all of
940
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:51.119
the ones, don't touch the ones and protected memory do
941
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:54.039
the others. If he just would have had a little
942
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:56.800
heads up on this, we wouldn't have gotten this episode.
943
00:57:56.920 --> 00:57:59.880
But it's a fun episode. I think it's really clever
944
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to how they use the ship in the bottle to
945
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.960
make a ship in a bottle and save the day.
946
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So enjoy it.
947
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:11.519
It is a ton one mm hmm, thank you very much,
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Allison Leech Hide all right, Chuck A is a TNG fanatic,
949
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:20.559
but is he a fanatic about this particular episode.
950
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:25.280
Well, this episode is always one of my favorites. It
951
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:29.320
was such a great script. The holid deck in the
952
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:36.480
Holidck in the Holidack was a fantastic idea there. Dwight
953
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:40.159
Schultz was wonderful as Barkley again, and as Melissa mentioned,
954
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it wasn't necessarily a Barkley episode entirely. I'd love the
955
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last scene where Picard says, well, maybe this is the
956
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:58.800
we're actually on somebody's desk in a cue in a
957
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cube and we're actually a part of a holideck itself,
958
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and then at the end that Barkley says, computer and program.
959
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It was just it was such a good scene, the
960
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:17.239
Moriarity bit where he comes at the first part of
961
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.840
the episode where he disappears and then comes right back,
962
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:23.719
and you know you said to yourself, well, let's see
963
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:26.760
what he has up his sleeve, because you know you
964
00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:31.239
can tell by the expression on his face. The Countess
965
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:38.360
was just wonderful. As Melissa mentioned, I love the data
966
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:43.280
figuring out what was going on with with the with
967
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:47.119
Leforge and then the the information that wasn't on the
968
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:54.239
transporter log i thought Brett Speiner was just amazing. Again.
969
00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:57.360
It only did a little bit of the Sherlock Holmes,
970
00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:00.880
not as much as the prior epist so, but he
971
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:03.840
was really good in that. I really enjoyed this episode
972
01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:06.320
of one of the highlights of the sixth season.
973
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:12.320
Absolutely, thank you very much. Chuck A aka t ANDNG fanatic.
974
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:14.920
Chris McGee is the dark Lord. He also has some
975
01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:16.000
thoughts on this episode.
976
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:19.159
I bet indeed I do. I agree.
977
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:24.000
It is a superb, if long overdue continuation of elementary
978
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:29.079
dear data. Just absolutely worth the wait. As Chuck mentioned,
979
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:31.920
you know that holodeck within a holodeck within a holiday concept.
980
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:33.679
It is so great and it reminds me a bit
981
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:36.519
of twenty ten's inception. I wonder if it may have
982
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:41.400
been at least a partial influence on that film. I
983
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:45.760
love that Moriarty, despite his pledge of being reformed, stays
984
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:50.039
true to character as a brilliantly evil mastermind that almost
985
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:54.719
outwits his opponents. Speaking of the guest stars, Daniel Davis,
986
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:57.000
of course, as you well know, once again plays Morety
987
01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:02.320
with the perfect mix of charm and ruthlessness, desperate enough
988
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:05.239
to hold a thousand people hostage. Just so he can
989
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:06.480
be with his true love.
990
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:07.679
Now.
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01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:10.159
I will say there are moments where Daniel seems to
992
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:12.440
act a bit like he's on a theater state. But
993
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:15.639
maybe that's just the writing, or I'm just over analyzing
994
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:17.400
his performance. That's probably pretty likely.
995
01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:17.840
I don't know.
996
01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:22.760
Like everyone else, I love seeing Stephanie Beacham as the Countess.
997
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:26.320
I think she did a fantastic job. I also think
998
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:30.079
she displayed a similar level of cunning and guile as Moriarty,
999
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:34.320
but hid it pretty well from Picard In Barkley and
1000
01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:38.480
of course, speaking of my favorite recurring character, Lieutenant Barkley.
1001
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:42.599
As usual, Dweitschultz plays his character perfectly and he really
1002
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:46.880
solidifies himself here as the go to Holidack guy, which
1003
01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:51.679
just might come into play in the future. Moriarty's claim
1004
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:55.159
that he was aware of time passing while he was
1005
01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:58.840
in stored memory raises a whole slew of questions. I'd
1006
01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:01.880
love to know the answers, but only if he was
1007
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:06.559
actually telling the truth about that. One never knows, and
1008
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:08.599
I'm sure there was no accident that Morey already says
1009
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:12.079
at one point, I'm afraid I can't do that, echoing
1010
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.360
how nine thousand from two thousand and one in Space
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01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:19.400
Odyssey and fine, I love that the card almost breaks
1012
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:22.039
the fourth wall in that final scene, which is a
1013
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.880
delightful way to end this episode where questioning reality is
1014
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:31.119
so prevalent. Memorable quote that came away with me. I
1015
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:34.320
love the quote, even though I hate the implications of it,
1016
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:37.039
even if it's often true. And that's where we're already saying,
1017
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:40.719
a deadline has a wonderful way of concentrating the mind.
1018
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:42.679
Ain't that the truth?
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01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:46.639
Gus? Great stuff as always, dark Lord, thank you very
1020
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:49.239
much for that. So Carrie Schwentz says she wanted to
1021
01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:51.519
go last to give the crowd a chance to thin out.
1022
01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:53.480
But I bet it's not that thin yet, is it
1023
01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:56.079
not a ton?
1024
01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:59.440
But it's definitely a bit louder. So hopefully you guys
1025
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:04.599
can and hear me. Okay, we had to be here,
1026
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:06.599
be here, be here for this, and the day were
1027
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:07.159
still going.
1028
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:09.840
I had a I put out.
1029
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:12.440
Inside the stadium that probably wouldn't have been a big
1030
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:18.000
wires in this, but we we were the teams and
1031
01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:20.400
the things that that that we want to I love
1032
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:23.719
to continue. I saw I had to be here, and
1033
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:29.159
it's such a fund of an episode got the there's
1034
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:37.079
all the different layer said okay for the siren, and
1035
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:39.880
I'm pretty sure I heard somebody I don't remember who
1036
01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:41.519
said it, but somebody said that there was a.
1037
01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:42.599
Glitch in the matrix.
1038
01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:47.599
Didn't write that the only goes through that line with
1039
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:54.199
a black cat walking down the highway. I go, I
1040
01:03:54.280 --> 01:04:02.000
mean English accent for days. I enjoyed and all of that.
1041
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:04.559
Even though the mysteries kind of a headache, I still
1042
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:05.280
throw a.
1043
01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:08.920
Lot in the many movies and series that they've made
1044
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:13.119
about him, they're all been fantastic. And Bennel Lwis actually
1045
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:17.760
was in one episode of the series that had Lucy Liule.
1046
01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:18.760
Playing playing Watson.
1047
01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:22.039
He was in one episode of that TV TV show
1048
01:04:22.039 --> 01:04:28.039
It was felt elementary, Higher recommend it, and I just
1049
01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:31.000
I love that it's it's it's a nice writer writer
1050
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:33.760
episode after the whole chain of command thing, and my
1051
01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:38.039
head Cannon says that they gave the Enterprise this nice,
1052
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:43.880
relatively speaking, safe missions studying the star, which they'll continue
1053
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:45.880
to do after Mariarty has.
1054
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:47.599
Gone on gone on his way.
1055
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:49.880
They backed up to their safe distance so they can
1056
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:54.079
continue during that work of just giving everybody for a
1057
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:58.159
break from the from the heavy for a while, and
1058
01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:00.519
it's true that we don't get the more than just
1059
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:06.079
the hostage man for for Pulaski kind of wanted it
1060
01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:10.480
more more on Pulaski later saving that for the Lmerik.
1061
01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:14.440
I think he'll get a kick out of it. Stephany Beacham.
1062
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:20.159
I watched Susan's a couple of times sets where she
1063
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:25.719
was the doctor in season one of that show. But
1064
01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:31.639
Jonathan brandas fantastic sci fi time here. If you've never
1065
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:33.719
seen it and you're looking for something new, go check
1066
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:37.440
go check that out. As I was checking i m dB,
1067
01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:40.800
I found something very curious and I found it absolutely fascinating.
1068
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:44.800
But gentlemen, at the in the Sherroff Holmes story at
1069
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:47.440
the beginning of the of the of the episode, the
1070
01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:52.840
actor's name is Summit John Frankenstein, whose family was.
1071
01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:54.719
Friends with Mary Shelley, and that's.
1072
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:57.960
Who she named the doctor and her Mary Shelley spanking
1073
01:05:58.000 --> 01:05:59.800
sign after is after this family.
1074
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:02.239
Wow, I absolutely fascinating.
1075
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:06.000
But he's got an extra He's got an extra.
1076
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:11.519
Yeah, and he's actually got a small room. In a
1077
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:15.719
favorite movie on mine called The American President, he placed
1078
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:18.800
the French president in in the in that in that movie.
1079
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:22.840
Another another trend flick, I watched, I watch and.
1080
01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:29.039
Took a series of Barkley if if I could get it,
1081
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:31.880
and I'm definitely head.
1082
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:34.639
Kenneth says that he took that little module.
1083
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:38.119
Said it on the shelf in his quarters, and he
1084
01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:41.360
made her to save it when he when everybody had to.
1085
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:44.079
Unpack their stuff after after the.
1086
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:49.159
After Generations, when they moved on to the Enterprise, and
1087
01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:54.880
and yeah, yeah, I just I love Berkeley and start
1088
01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:57.480
going back to back to Philanthrophy. I had first had
1089
01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:01.840
to improve her and and my roarmor from because of
1090
01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:05.000
course he's got four years worth of hanging out and
1091
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:10.119
the holo. So maybe maybe he wrote poetry while he
1092
01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:15.960
was ready perfect been a lake and a layer for
1093
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:19.079
all that time. The park said he'd had me, but
1094
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:23.320
he'd lied. W's Philasky, that's trumpet said, I.
1095
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:27.480
Cover with trumpets. You don't have the Countess by my side.
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01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:32.480
Very nice, Thank you very much.
1097
01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:35.639
Carry just went you mentioned elementary. One of the main
1098
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:40.880
writers on that show everybody knows is Robert Hewitt. There
1099
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:45.880
all right, Jake's final take, any final thoughts on this episode?
1100
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:48.000
Strock stroke it.
1101
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:51.480
Yeah, I have a couple of final thoughts. If if
1102
01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:54.280
Moriarty and Regina had a baby, it would be more China.
1103
01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:59.480
That was my first thing. Let's see number two.
1104
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:08.800
Every time I hear Heisenberg compensator, I think of Aaron Eisenberg.
1105
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:10.199
I can't not think.
1106
01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:13.719
It's too close, sounds too close.
1107
01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:16.920
I don't know how that ended up happening to be.
1108
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:19.399
Like that, but it's just like it feels like they're
1109
01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:27.319
saying they might as well say Aaron Heisenberg. When Stephanie
1110
01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:32.680
Beacham was telling that story about Africa, she mentioned that
1111
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:35.119
she got to wear trousers the whole week, and I thought,
1112
01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:37.279
I thought, I liked that line.
1113
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.079
I don't know why, but it was just it's just
1114
01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:41.079
just I like the line.
1115
01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:43.319
And it made me laugh a little bit, you know,
1116
01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:47.680
because you know, relative to that time period, that's a
1117
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:52.000
big deal, right for a young girl at that time.
1118
01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:54.439
So I just thought, oh, that's pretty cool that they
1119
01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:59.359
dropped that line in there. When they did the throwing
1120
01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:03.520
the whatever they threw out of the holidack and it disappeared,
1121
01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:06.159
that was a cool, little special effect that kind of
1122
01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:08.960
made me. I always wonder, like, you know, where the
1123
01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:13.560
threshold of existence is? In the Holidack, and they did
1124
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:16.199
a nice little shot of that to show, you know,
1125
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:21.199
past that point, things will not materialize and exist. I
1126
01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:25.359
notice also that they the passage of time was relevant,
1127
01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:29.000
was really relevant to the story. So it was because
1128
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:35.119
Moriarty experienced the passage of time inside of the program
1129
01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:40.520
that made them feel like he was feeling that he
1130
01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:43.439
was being tortured or that there was some kind of
1131
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:44.359
harm being.
1132
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:44.800
Done to him.
1133
01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:50.640
So and also was a qualification for his being a
1134
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:56.720
sentient individual, right, because as sentient life, we also visualized
1135
01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:00.079
the passage of time, and so I guess that in
1136
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:03.680
itself is a parameter or a different definition for what
1137
01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:07.079
it means to exist, right to experience that. So I
1138
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:11.920
thought that was a nice kind of philosophical argument being there.
1139
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:19.079
Picard was tricked by Moriarty because he gave up his
1140
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:26.720
voice command, and so he was outsmart in this episode.
1141
01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:30.760
Actually Data was out smarter too, because they neither one
1142
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:34.520
of them picked up on it in real time. Right,
1143
01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:38.960
So congratulations to Moriarty. He did outsmart them.
1144
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:46.920
And then the last thing, it was Vincent Ogle or
1145
01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:48.680
the Viscount.
1146
01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:52.479
Oglethorpe, a man who could bewitch any woman who breathed.
1147
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:58.199
I was like, that must be Riker. She must not
1148
01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:02.079
have met Riker yet, give her a chance. That's his
1149
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:04.479
name in the program. He's like, no, my name's Vi
1150
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:10.399
count Ogle. So so yeah, very good episode. I really
1151
01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:10.720
loved it.
1152
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:12.560
I thought it was excellently written.
1153
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:18.039
And the performances were fantastic. Loved when Data did the
1154
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:21.199
whole switching from Sherlock voice to Data's voice. You know,
1155
01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:26.840
it was just really fun to watch. Yeah, this is
1156
01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:30.079
one of my favorite episodes. And I think Moriarty is
1157
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:33.840
a fantastic villain. I think that as an antagonist or villain,
1158
01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:39.600
I really like what he does because it's almost it's
1159
01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:43.479
less abrasive to me than how Q comes across when
1160
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:48.239
he when it's a Q episode, it's it's less grandiose
1161
01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:52.279
and more of a real chess match to me, between
1162
01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:55.640
two between an intellectual people.
1163
01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:58.760
So, you know, I really loved it.
1164
01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:01.920
I would give it a note, but you know, I
1165
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:04.600
also want to say Alexander Singer, who directed it, you
1166
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:08.640
know whatever, notes he was giving fantastic job on his
1167
01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:11.960
part two because it blows and there was never really
1168
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:14.319
a moment where you were sitting there waiting for more.
1169
01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:18.319
And it was gone, it constantly flowed. The action was good,
1170
01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:22.279
and they didn't have many sets, but it still felt full.
1171
01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:25.079
So uh yeah, I love this episode.
1172
01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:28.600
Cool great stuff.
1173
01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:30.880
I just thought of something funny, but I'll save it
1174
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:33.760
for things left unsaid because it might not actually be funny,
1175
01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:38.720
all right, highly likely that it won't be. Thank you
1176
01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:42.479
very much to Chris McGee, Chuck A, Carrie Schwent, Alison
1177
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:48.000
leech Hide, Melissa Longo for myself, Sarrock Lofton, Melissa and
1178
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:51.760
Aaron Heisenberg. Thank you all very much for hanging out
1179
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:53.720
with us. We appreciate it and we will see you
1180
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:58.560
next time. Until then, always remember the seventh rule.
1181
01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:00.079
What