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00:00:38.573Claude: Hello, everyone, and thanks for joining us for Tech Law Talks and the latest
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00:00:40.813in our data center series.
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00:00:45.393Now, if you've been reading the papers or listening to the news,
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00:00:49.173you will be aware of the explosive growth in data centres.
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00:00:54.473And certainly, we've explored some of the reasons and the issues relating to
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00:00:58.273data centres in previous episodes of this series.
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00:01:02.893However, as always, these things need to be financed.
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00:01:08.853And although there are a varying number of means by which you can finance the
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00:01:14.333One of them is the securitization.
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00:01:18.513This is a form of financing, which is proving increasingly popular,
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00:01:23.093not only for data centers, but also for the digital age generally.
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00:01:29.953So it will probably be helpful if we start by looking at where this market developed
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00:01:32.453in the context of data centers,
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00:01:34.653which is the United States, and
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00:01:40.273how that history has come forward and the drivers behind that moving on.
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00:01:45.433So I'd like to ask my colleague here, Jeff Stern, perhaps if you can give us
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00:01:50.213a bit of background to this and how the markets come into being and how it's growing. Jeff.
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00:01:56.821Jeff: So, as Claude had noted, there has been a remarkable growth over the last several
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00:02:02.281years and continuing on for the foreseeable future in data center development.
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00:02:08.941There are several drivers of that growth. One of them is the migration of enterprise
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00:02:11.721workloads to the cloud. That's a primary driver.
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00:02:19.241Naturally, another one is the remarkable growth of generative AI and large language models.
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00:02:25.421That area in particular has a dramatic increase in the demand for high-performance
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00:02:30.901computing and storage, and AI is in fact projected to represent roughly 60%
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00:02:34.821of the total growth in data center power demand through 2028.
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00:02:41.181And the last major driver for growth of the data center development area is
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00:02:45.861digitization of business processes, so e-commerce, software as a service,
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00:02:47.101digital content delivery, etc.
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00:02:52.761As Claude noted, the U.S. has been the global leader in data centers.
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00:02:57.821As of January of this year, the U.S. had about 60% of the world's installed
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00:03:03.561data center infrastructure, with Northern Virginia being its principal data center order.
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00:03:08.701There were over 5,000 data centers in the U.S. as of Q4, 2024.
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00:03:16.196There are a number of reasons for the U.S.'s outsized role in the growth of data center.
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00:03:22.076One of the most significant of those is the presence of major hyperscalers in the U.S.
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00:03:24.996Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Meta, Oracle.
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00:03:30.376There is, in general, stable and affordable energy, robust connectivity,
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00:03:33.036and a favorable regulatory environment.
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00:03:38.556I'll mention, among several other initiatives, the Stargate initiative by President
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00:03:44.836Trump. that seeks to invest a minimum of $500 billion into AI data center infrastructure
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00:03:45.996over a four-year period.
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00:03:51.876It bears mention on a related note that the regulatory environment for foreign
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00:03:53.936direct investment in U.S.
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00:03:55.956Data centers has tightened significantly.
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00:03:59.556So the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States,
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00:04:04.856CFIUS, is quite focused on data center transactions, particularly if they're
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00:04:08.256located near sensitive sites or involved in critical technologies.
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00:04:15.296Just looking ahead in this market, again, talking about the development of data centers,
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00:04:21.636the top six hyperscalers are due to spend over $380 billion on CapEx this year,
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00:04:25.856and that should rise to about $540 billion in 2029.
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00:04:31.076So very, very significant investments by the major hyperscalers.
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00:04:33.9962025 has also been a record year
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00:04:38.316sort of migrating in the direction of financing 2025 has been a record year
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00:04:44.236for data set of financing with about 11.5 billion of abs and 7.4 14 billion
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00:04:51.716of cmbs so that total is predicted to double next year so very very rapid growth in the financing.
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00:04:56.644Claude: Clearly, with those sort of numbers, particularly in the financing need,
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00:04:59.224the developers and operators of
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00:05:04.084these data centers will be looking at all available sources of financing.
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00:05:07.844And as you've already touched upon cmbs
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00:05:11.604and rmbs as commercial mortgage-backed securitizations
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00:05:15.784and residential mortgage-backed securitizations offer
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00:05:18.564some building blocks which have been well developed in
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00:05:25.204the market and established over time for sectors other than data centers but
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00:05:30.524even within the securitization of data centers there's a number of different
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00:05:36.044models of how to go about constructing the financing.
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00:05:41.044And Simon, who is one of my colleagues, Simon Hugo, based here in London.
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00:05:46.624Simon, perhaps you can start off by talking about how securitizations are particularly
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00:05:50.784relevant to the design, build, and operation of data centers.
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00:05:55.910Simon: Yeah, I mean, at its heart, securitization is a financing method that allows
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00:06:03.430the pooling of assets and income streams to create and fund securities and returns to investors.
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00:06:09.490Now, in the context of a data center, data centers are particularly suited for
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00:06:16.550this type of transaction, particularly given they're real estate centric with regular cash flows.
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00:06:22.550And they'll be familiar to many real estate asset class investors.
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00:06:28.590They have, to a certain extent, income stabilization, which is required for an ABS.
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00:06:33.110And it's also a cost-effective way to refinance existing bank debt,
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00:06:38.770which some real estate assets are particularly reliant on at the moment.
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00:06:45.490We've seen the increased demand for data storage and processing capabilities
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00:06:49.810and the expansion of development of data centers that Jeff's mentioned,
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00:06:56.530really accelerating that growth in the different financing tools and the expansion
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00:06:57.770into different methods.
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00:07:03.210In terms of those methods, typically data center securitizations are structured
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00:07:08.470in one of two ways, either as an ABS or an asset-backed security structure.
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00:07:14.190This is where the debt is backed by the lease revenues from the data centers,
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00:07:20.310as opposed to a CMBS or commercial mortgage backed securitization where the
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00:07:25.450debt is backed by loans to data center operators secured on the data center property.
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00:07:30.630So, you know, here we have two different structures which may be suited for
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00:07:34.070different investors and different operators alike.
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00:07:40.039So from a market perspective, I think Europe isn't as mature as the US,
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00:07:44.759but it's growing rapidly and forecast to grow significantly over the next few years.
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00:07:49.059We've had two significant deals done so far.
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00:07:54.039One's a securitization of two data centers in Cardiff, who recently had a TAP
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00:07:56.759issuance and refinancing in the last few weeks.
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00:08:02.399And another one was a securitization of four data centers in Berlin and Frankfurt.
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00:08:09.679These notably were all data center ABS deals, and we expect to see a lot more
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00:08:13.139European data center ABS coming out of Western European cities,
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00:08:20.359Frankfurt, Amsterdam, and potentially some emerging hubs as well.
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00:08:24.134Claude: Thanks, Simon. Jeff, you know, given that the U.S.
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00:08:28.534Is leading the way in the data center construction, I think it's reasonable
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00:08:33.414to assume that you're also leading the way in the securitization market for data centers.
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00:08:39.794So what are you seeing over in the United States? Jeff: It certainly has been an extremely
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00:08:41.994active market over the last several years.
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00:08:46.894You've seen a fair amount of both CMBS and securitization.
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00:08:52.814I would note that securitization, broadly speaking, offers much greater flexibility
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00:08:58.294than CMBS. It typically allows for upsizing and changing in the collateral pools
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00:09:01.894so that increases revenue and leverages costs.
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00:09:08.054ABS also notably includes an incentive to refinance after about five years,
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00:09:13.194but the issuer is not required to refinance until the final maturity date,
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00:09:15.314which is typically 24 or 30 years.
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00:09:21.934By contrast, CMBS is normally a fixed pool and has typically a hard maturity
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00:09:27.694of five years. And so at maturity, you must refinance or face forced liquidation.
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00:09:33.594So the securitization allows greater flexibility both in terms of the duration
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00:09:37.974of financing and not having a hard maturity at such a short period of time,
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00:09:42.214but also allows for growth of the pool through a master trust structure.
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00:09:48.946As you can imagine, securitization of data centers is considered an esoteric
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00:09:56.306asset and is typically executed in a 144A or 482 private placement offering
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00:09:58.066in the U.S. rather than a public offering.
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00:10:04.986An interesting point is that with a 482 placement, not only have I gotten some
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00:10:09.706market feedback that you're seeing larger checks written for 482 placements,
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00:10:10.906which is a little bit surprising.
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00:10:16.646It may actually allow for easier execution, but it also may be easier to share
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00:10:21.686detailed information about the tenants in a 482 deal where there is a more limited
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00:10:26.006pool of investors and where leases may have strict confidentiality provisions
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00:10:28.626that can only be shared with a limited number of people.
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00:10:31.686So that's an interesting point without a 482 placement.
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00:10:39.286Just a few words about the structuring of a securization of data centers.
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00:10:42.366The typical form is
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00:10:45.286a master trust so that leases are subject to
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00:10:49.006eligibility criteria and rating confirmation because as i mentioned you may
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00:10:53.066have a a pool which changes over time and and allows for the addition of additional
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00:10:58.406leases it often employs variable funding notes to align with the dynamic nature
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00:11:04.726of lease agreements and the portfolio again final maturity is typically 30 years,
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00:11:10.666but it generally includes an anticipated repayment date, not a hard maturity
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00:11:15.606of around five years, and there's an incentive to refinance at that time because
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00:11:19.466it's to create an increase of interest at that five-year period.
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00:11:24.466These deals commonly include DSCR performance triggers, that is,
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00:11:26.566debt service coverage ratios.
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00:11:31.906A breach of the ratio can trigger cash reserves, cash traps, and amortizations.
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00:11:37.114For hyperscale data centers, leases are generally long-term and utilization
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00:11:41.434approach is 100%, so DSCR triggers may be less relevant.
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00:11:45.894But for enterprise data centers, with many customers, contracts are shorter,
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00:11:48.494and that creates a repricing and cash flow risk.
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00:11:54.034So I'll just finish on this sort of overview, talking about what the collateral
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00:11:55.314is for securitizations.
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00:11:57.674As Simon mentioned, they are
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00:12:03.214typically leases. There are also separate accounts set up for the SPVs.
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00:12:06.654There are rights under the customer contracts. There may be,
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00:12:09.434if the sponsor owns the property,
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00:12:14.594there may be also a grant of the data center itself so that the rating agencies
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00:12:18.554may be able to look to residual value for purposes of their ratings.
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00:12:21.554There's typically a reserve account as well as a collection account.
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00:12:27.294And there's typically a pledge of the equity of the issuer and the other SPVs,
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00:12:30.354including an asset SPV and a lockbox SPV that are set up.
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00:12:37.074So that's a general overview of the structure and the differences between CMBS and ABS.
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00:12:43.163Claude: Great. Really interesting point there about the identity of the lessees in there.
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00:12:49.503One of the things when the first data center securitization occurred in Europe,
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00:12:55.463which is the one in Wales that Simon mentioned earlier on, was that it was subject
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00:12:58.203and had approval under the Green Bond principles.
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00:13:02.163That attracted a lot of interest partly
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00:13:05.563because it was novel to see those principles applied
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00:13:11.463in the context of a data center and secondly it prompted the question why that
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00:13:17.843was the case for a data center because I think the environmental and social
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00:13:23.703concerns relating to data centers have been well flagged in the public domain.
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00:13:29.923I mean, obviously, the size of these things makes their construction quite a
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00:13:31.603large-scale undertaking.
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00:13:37.463And so sustainable construction is sort of key, particularly in Europe,
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00:13:42.903of building these things in a way that doesn't impact adversely on the environment.
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00:13:48.843But I think the operation of them probably raises more issues in that,
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00:13:51.403clearly, they take a lot of energy.
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00:13:59.463It's well accepted that the large language models and the AI programs that Jeff
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00:14:04.823highlighted earlier on take a lot of energy to run and operate.
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00:14:08.703So a huge drain on the local energy market.
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00:14:13.543But of course, not only do you need to pull the power in, but you need to be
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00:14:18.283able to transmit the data into the data centers and also,
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00:14:24.183more importantly, the data centers out so there's a large sort of demand for
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00:14:30.563energy in any data center no matter what its size relative to any other activity.
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00:14:38.803As always, the processing operations within a data centre generate a great deal of heat.
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00:14:43.023And while some of that can be addressed by air conditioning,
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00:14:48.343thus adding to the amount of energy consumption in most of the data centres,
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00:14:50.363water cooling prevails.
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00:14:56.223And so water consumption is another environmental impact of large scale data centres.
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00:14:59.183Because of the needs to
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00:15:02.383get close to power and data transmission
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00:15:05.223there is always a debate about whether you have a
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00:15:08.363greenfield site development which is clearly easier
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00:15:14.003for construction or a brownfield development which although more expensive often
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00:15:19.643places you closer to the power sources and the water cooling sources that you
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00:15:27.743need although one would think that these data centers would be great for the local economy,
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00:15:29.763certainly in the construction phase.
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00:15:36.063It transpires that there's limited social benefits when it comes to their operation.
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00:15:43.443A high degree of automation and the fact that the data centers are full of self-maintaining
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00:15:48.943or minimal maintenance technology means that employment is relatively low,
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00:15:53.963really focusing on a number of operators and supervisors,
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00:15:58.203and in many cases, the security around the site.
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00:16:03.283But actually, as areas of high employment, they don't feature large.
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00:16:10.943So in reaction to all this, the approach of making data centers subject to a
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00:16:15.283form of green labeling, whether that's green bond principles or some other generally
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00:16:18.683accepted means of marking them as a problem,
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00:16:25.091environmentally and socially acceptable certainly helps make them more attractive
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00:16:31.571and marketable to investors and helps to allay or maybe dispel the perceptions
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00:16:36.351that they do create large-scale ESG issues.
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00:16:41.251And certainly the use of sustainable energy is something that's being actively
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00:16:49.031pursued by the UK government at the moment in developing an ambitious plan for
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00:16:51.111securitization construction.
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00:16:57.351Which I think really leads us all on to where does this market go from here?
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00:17:03.951We all know that technology is a fast-moving and fast-changing environment.
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00:17:08.031And so where do we see this market going?
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00:17:11.911Increased demand for computing power, yes. But on the other hand,
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00:17:13.691is there a built-in obsolescence?
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00:17:18.471So perhaps we can, all three of us, just think now and share with our listeners
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00:17:26.191the way we see some of the challenges and issues on the market growth of data
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00:17:29.651centers and the securitization of their financing.
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00:17:36.191Jeff: Simon, you've raised some fascinating points about some of the challenges facing the market.
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00:17:42.931Data center energy issues are clearly front and center, and they raise both
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00:17:45.071supply and environmental issues.
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00:17:50.131For what it's worth, U.S. data center electricity consumption is predicted to
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00:17:53.851more than double by 2030, so the challenges are quite significant.
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00:18:01.155One development that seems to offer promise is the emergence of a small modular
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00:18:04.215reactor market in the U.S. and elsewhere.
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00:18:10.155I know a number of the hyperscalers are actually dedicating significant investment
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00:18:15.995energy and funds to developing that technology and executing on them.
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00:18:21.695The other big issue that I think is worth mentioning, and you touched upon it as well, is water use.
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00:18:26.655Water use is a huge issue because the data centers need to be constantly cooled.
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00:18:33.715Roughly 40% of the energy electricity used in a typical data center is used to chill water.
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00:18:39.995I just note that in June, China began to build a wind-powered underwater data
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00:18:42.255center to address just this issue.
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00:18:46.215And the project is expected to use at least 30% less electricity.
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00:18:49.515So that's an interesting development, not one that probably can be replicated
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00:18:54.295in a lot of locations. But again, an interesting and innovative way to deal
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00:18:58.715with both cooling, water demand and energy constraints.
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00:19:03.055Maybe the last point I'll raise, which I see as a challenge for the marketplace,
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00:19:08.155is a strain on supply chain, critical equipment and skilled labor.
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00:19:13.135However, there's been such a demand that the labor,
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00:19:18.555you see sort of bidding wars for certain leading figures in the space,
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00:19:23.355but also you have many projects that face timelines that exceed three years
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00:19:30.195because of the durations required to order and receive the equipment needed
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00:19:31.475to build these things out.
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00:19:37.582Simon: I suppose from my perspective, just maybe touching on a European perspective
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00:19:40.542and where there are some headwinds,
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00:19:46.742I think in particular at the moment, there are fewer larger portfolios and some
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00:19:52.922quite marked difference in the concentration risk in Europe as opposed to the
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00:19:59.282US and fewer of the large scale operators in the market.
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00:20:05.222That said, there are many facilities under construction and as sort of M&A activity
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00:20:11.442in the data centre space continues, we expect there to be some more opportunities in the market.
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00:20:17.562Again, the data centre funding has traditionally been with bank debt.
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00:20:23.933Though private credit interest is increasing, which sort of allows for more
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00:20:26.953interest in private securitizations of data centers.
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00:20:32.873One of the challenges with any European securitization is perhaps,
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00:20:36.653particularly in this context, where there are portfolios which might be spread
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00:20:39.033out in different jurisdictions in Europe,
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00:20:44.453is the different number of legal jurisdictions across that portfolio.
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00:20:49.873Now, there are structures that certainly work from a pan-European perspective,
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00:20:55.873but they're not as easy to implement as portfolios within one jurisdiction.
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00:21:03.533I think the improvement in rating methodologies and investor comfort will do
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00:21:10.493a lot to ensure that the market advances and investors get more comfortable
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00:21:12.553with a more standardised product.
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00:21:17.773Now, the structuring challenges within an ABS, particularly from a European
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00:21:24.513perspective, are related primarily to sort of insolvency remoteness requirements,
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00:21:27.313where you have issuers and prop codes.
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00:21:33.373If prop codes are within the group and also have shared services that are introduced
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00:21:35.413in the additional element of risk.
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00:21:42.533Similarly, where you have to move out employees and ring fence different vehicles.
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00:21:44.213It adds to some of the complexity.
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00:21:49.493None of this is insurmountable and has been achieved on the data center securitizations
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00:21:51.433that have been done in Europe.
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00:21:54.933And from a European perspective, I would expect that.
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00:22:01.711That these issues become more standardised in the mitigants that are employed to overcome them?
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00:22:08.011Claude: I mean, I think at the back of any investor's mind will always be the two trends
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00:22:15.051that we've seen, not just in data centres, but in technology generally in the last 50 to 70 years.
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00:22:18.951One is the risk of technological obsolescence.
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00:22:22.391At the moment, we're seeing a wave of data centres being
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00:22:25.411built which are all pretty much all one
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00:22:29.331vintage but you can already see the signs of
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00:22:32.431newer technology producing newer vintage
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00:22:35.451data centers and that not only
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00:22:38.791produces cheaper and more efficient technology
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00:22:43.731within the data centers but also poses a question as to whether the size and
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00:22:48.831scale of this vintage of data centers will carry on or whether there'll be a
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00:22:55.531reduction in the size of the instructions in which these operations are housed.
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00:22:59.914I suppose the other point is that with technological developments,
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00:23:06.374we also see changes in the future data and computing demands.
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00:23:13.414I mean, clearly data sensors are a reaction to the explosion in the need for
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00:23:19.474data processing, but also a reaction to AI developments.
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00:23:25.554But already we're beginning to see AI models that are less processing intensive
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00:23:28.474require less energy consumption.
00:23:29.434 -->
00:23:34.474And on top of that, the technology occurs in both the mechanical space.
00:23:34.474 -->
00:23:39.274So, for example, in-chip cooling, which is being developed, will,
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00:23:44.014to reflect Jeff's point about underwater data centers with wind power,
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00:23:49.014reduce the water demand or certainly the water cooling demands.
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00:23:56.134For data centres over time. I think the regionalisation of data centres will
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00:24:04.254also encourage governments of the countries in which they're situated to lobby hard,
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00:24:10.554not only for favourable regulatory treatment to help them develop them as an economic tool,
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00:24:18.274but also to encourage the construction of more efficient data-related infrastructure,
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00:24:20.874be that water or be that energy.
00:24:21.494 -->
00:24:26.834And already, to Jeff's point about the small modular reactors, the SMRs,
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00:24:33.014the UK government's paper on the development of its data technology strategy
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00:24:39.334alludes to SMRs being built to power data centres locally to them.
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00:24:44.554And clearly, whilst the hyperscalers may have the financial wherewithal to construct
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00:24:47.534their own SMRs, alternative power sources.
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00:24:55.854A lot will be looking at the government of the region to be able to help create an infrastructure.
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00:25:01.974And I don't think it's any accident that the UK government has very recently
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00:25:07.034announced that the first SMR in the UK will be constructed in Wales,
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00:25:12.434when you only have to look across and see that the first UK data centre that
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00:25:14.494was securitised was also in Wales.
00:25:14.494 -->
00:25:18.434So I think there is a lot of potential,
00:25:18.434 -->
00:25:24.974but I think there's also a lot of challenges in a fast-moving market,
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00:25:31.774which is based heavily on technology, which is moving as quickly as the demands
00:25:31.774 -->
00:25:38.414of the world's population for data processing and the use of technology increases.
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00:25:41.254So i think that brings us
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00:25:44.434to the end of this broadcast uh thank you
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00:25:51.294to everyone who's tuned in to listen and i hope you found it informative both
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00:25:57.074Jeffrey Simon and I are very happy to take any follow-up questions that you
00:25:57.074 -->
00:26:03.414may have you can find us all on the Reed Smith website Jeffrey Stern,
00:26:03.674 -->
00:26:09.294Simon Hugo or Claude Brown and you can ask us any questions through there and
00:26:09.294 -->
00:26:11.734we will get back to you as soon as we possibly can.
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00:26:17.762So this concludes the data center securitization, which is part of our data
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