S12, Chapter 2: The Winning Phase

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Thank you to our executive producers, Sundean and Aaron. It's
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getting dark Outside.
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Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions of violence and sexuality.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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Fan Duel, DraftKings Bet, MGM, Caesar's Fanatics, Fliff Bet three
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six y five Underdog, and the Score Bet. Between March
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twenty ninth and April seventh, I deposited money into nine
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different sports betting apps. I place bets on baseball, basketball,
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even hockey. I place bets at three in the morning.
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I place bets on my lunch break. I placed bets.
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I don't even remember placing. And here's the part that
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makes the story different for the one you might think
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you're hearing. I was winning.
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I think everyone has a bit of a fascination with
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the dark side.
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I myself always loved the dark side as well.
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I think it's something that everyone secretly longs for in walks.
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The people of this community community need us, and the
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people with this community wants They want the good ones,
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and we're going to be the good ones.
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The dark side.
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The day after Yukon beat Duke, I woke up and
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did something that felt completely rational at the time. I
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signed up for five more apps. I only know this
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because I went back through my bank statements for this series.
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Transaction by transaction. Here's what March thirtieth looked like in
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my Wells Fargo checking account DraftKings five dollars deposit. That
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was the minimum to activate their sign up bonus. You
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put in five and they give you two hundred in
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bonus bets. I remember thinking that's a forty to one
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return before I even pick a team. Bet MGM three
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separate deposits ten dollars, then one hundred, then twenty five,
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Each one unlocked a different promotional tier. The app walked
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me through it, deposit this much, get this bonus, deposit more,
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get a bigger one one hundred and thirty five dollars
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in real money, one hundreds more in bonus bets waiting
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for me. Fanatics one hundred dollars, then another one hundred,
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BET three six five ten dollars, just enough to activate
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the three hundred and sixty five dollars bonus, Caesar's two
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hundred and fifty one dollars, and another four hundred FanDuel
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on top of what was already in there. Five new
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apps plus additional deposits into my existing FanDuel account, all
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in one day. That was over eleven hundred dollars, leaving
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my checking account before dinnertime, and every app I opened
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had a little pile of free bets waiting for me,
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like chocolates on a hotel pillow. The next day, March thirty, first,
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I signed up for the score Bet five hundred dollars deposit,
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then another five hundred, one thousand dollars to an app
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I had never heard of twenty four hours earlier. I
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put another three hundred into DraftKings and another four hundred
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and twenty five into bet MGM. Then April First, Bet
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three sixty five again, two hundred and seventy nine dollars,
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this time on my credit card. Yes, I know, only
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a fucking idiot would fund their fan Duel account with
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a credit card. I wouldn't discover this until days later,
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but Wells Fargo charged me a fee on this transaction. Now,
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there was no warning in the app that using a
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credit card would trigger such a fee. Should I have
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known better? Probably, Yet the reality was the bank charged
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me a thirteen dollars a ninety five cent cash advanced fee.
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Wells Fargo like all banks, classify gambling deposits as cash advances,
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higher fee, higher interest rate, and the interest starts accruing immediately.
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There is no grace period. Most apps don't even let
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you deposit with a credit card. Almost every other app
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I used Apple Pay tied to my debit card. But
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when I saw Bet three six' five had a credit card,
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OPTION i, thought why not get some reward points While
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i'm at. It that's the kind of logic that makes
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perfect sense at the time and sounds Looney. Tunes three weeks,
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later NOW i realized WHAT i was actually, doing which
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was training my brain to believe that funding bets with
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a credit card was a viable. Option it was as
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easy as tapping a, screen and in the future it
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would be oh so much easier to reach for the
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credit card, if, say the bank account was running a little.
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Dry two days, Later april, third another credit card deposit
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twenty five dollars to the, score, bet another ten dollars
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cash advance fee twenty three. Dollars in ninety five cents
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in total fees across two, deposits not a lot of,
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money but the bank was sending me a SIGNAL i
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wouldn't understand until much. LATER i was now using two
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different funding sources to feed nine different, apps and then
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On april, second the stakes were. Upped underdog two thousand dollars,
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deposit the largest single DEPOSIT i made during the entire ten,
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days two thousand dollars in one transaction to an App
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i'd had for less than a. Day here's what The
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underdog promo looked like on the. Surface deposit two thousand
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dollars and get a thousand dollars bonus fifty percent. Match
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here's what was buried in the terms of service THAT
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i didn't read until about an hour. Later the thousand
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dollars bonus could only be played through on, parlays not straight,
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bets not money, lines parlays, only and the original two
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thousand dollars deposit also had playthrough requirements BEFORE i could
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withdraw any of. IT i was locked. In WHEN i first,
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STARTED i was mostly picking high odd two leg parlays
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that would be more likely to. HIT i just wanted
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to churn a couple hundred from the bonus money without
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thinking too. Hard but NOW i see WHAT i was actually,
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doing which was priming my brain to see parlays as
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yet another viable option for making, money and after hitting
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it big on a dozen of, them my confidence in
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this area started to grow. Too if you haven't bet,
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before a parlay is when you chain multiple bets together
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into one. Ticket say you pick The brewers to win
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and the over on run totals and a player to
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hit a home. Run all three legs have to hit
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or the whole ticket. Loses the payout multiplies because the odds.
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Stack say a five leg parlay on a ten dollars
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bet can pay, hundreds if not, thousands of, dollars but
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the math is. BRUTAL a straight bet against the spread
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and you win roughly half the. Time a five leg
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parlay you win maybe three percent of the. Time the
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sportsbook's cut jumps from around five percent on a money
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line to over twenty percent on same game. Parlays by
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restricting The underdog bonus to parlay, only the company guaranteed
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that most of that thousand dollars would eventually come back to.
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Them the, promo like all, promos wasn't a. Gift it
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was a. Primer one more thing About underdog is that
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it isn't a traditional sports. Book neither Is, fliff WHICH
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i also used both operate in legal gray Areas underdog
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runs under Daily fantasy sports. Licensing in states where sports
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betting isn't, legal they call their parlay style bets pick them.
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Contests as For, fliff they operate as a sweepstakes platform
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using virtual currency that can be redeemed for cash, loopholes
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and that's what these apps are built. ON i didn't
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know any of this WHEN i signed. UP i just
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knew the promos looked. Generous at the end of those
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two to three, DAYS i had every sports betting app
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could legally download in the state Of North. Carolina that's
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what acceleration looks like from the inside of a checking.
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Account it doesn't climb in a straight line and holds
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steady and then. Jumps one, day you're putting in one hundred.
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Dollars three days, later you're putting in two, thousand and
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you don't feel the jump because each step had a,
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reason a, promo to claim a, bonus to unlock a,
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system to, execute and to be honest with, you the
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deposits weren't the part that kept me. Going the withdrawals
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were not the kind of withdrawals usually associated with. Addiction
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i'm talking cash withdraws On april first three days IN
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i pulled twenty four hundred dollars out of the score
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bed back into my checking. ACCOUNT i deposited one, thousand
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fourteen hundred dollars profit on one, app and three days
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and eight other apps were also. Running that withdrawal didn't
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feel like a, warning felt like. PROOF i had a.
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Plan FanDuel's three hundred dollars bet reset token promotion ran
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for ten days, straight ten, tokens ten days of, bets
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SO i decided to play it all the way through day.
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ELEVEN i uninstall, everything cash, out and walk. Away if
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you haven't used sports betting, apps the promos sound, interchangeable
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and they're not. EXACTLY a deposit bonus is the money
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you put in and the app matches. It you deposit
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one hundred and they give you another hundred and bonus.
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BETS a profit boost means you make a bet and
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the app pays out more than the odds normally would
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allow free upside paid for it by the house odds
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boost same kind of. Deal the app takes a specific
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bet and temporarily improves the. Odds and then there's the
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one that got me through the. Door the bet, reset
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sometimes called a second chance, bet sometimes called a No sweat.
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Bet here's how it. Works you place a bet with
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your own, money real. Money if you win. Great if you,
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lose the app gives you an amount, back not as,
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cash but as bonus, bets non withdrawable credits that expire
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in seven to fourteen. Days if you win with those,
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credits the app keeps the original steake amount and only
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pays out the. Profit so a three hundred dollars risk
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free bet at even odds is not exactly worth three
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hundred dollars if you lose and get the bonus bet.
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Back that bonus converts to real cash as roughly sixty
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to seventy cents on the dollar if you play it.
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Perfectly most people. Don't the term risk free got so
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misleading that The American Gaming association band member companies from
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using it as Of JULY, ti twenty twenty, three and
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that's why the apps rebranded it To No sweat and second.
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Chance the mechanics didn't, change just the. Label all three
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types of promos hit your inbox at different rates depending
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on how the app reads your. BEHAVIOR i THOUGHT i
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was choosing which apps to bet on based on which
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ones had the best? Promos what was actually. Happening the
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apps that liked my behavior kept feeding me. Promos the
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apps that didn't. STOPPED i wasn't picking, them they were picking.
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Me by day, FIVE i was almost exclusively using Fan, Duel, DraftKings,
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fanatics And caesar's because those were the ones that were
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sending me. Offers bet three six' five had, Gone quiet
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fliff had. GONE quiet i drifted away. FROM them i
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thought that was. My decision my phone changed during that
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Week before march. Twenty ninth my home screen had the usual, Stuff, Messages.
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Instagram spotify after, the flood there were nine, new icons,
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Bright colors DraftKings, IN green, Fandul, BLUE Bet, mgm gold
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each one with a, notification badge each one sending. Push
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alerts your bonus bet is waiting tonight's, odd boost you
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have free bets. Expiring soon, nine apps all competing for
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the same, real estate all whispering the. Same thing. Open
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me my phone had become a. SLOT machine i was
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carrying it in my pocket sixteen hours. A day i
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was sleeping with it on my nightstand or, more accurately under,
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my pillow and EVERY time i picked, it up nine
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sports books were fighting for. The rights you take. My money.
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We'll be right back after a. Quick break if you
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can do so at patreon. Dot Com slash tape From The.
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DARK side i usually don't discuss THE work i do outside,
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this podcast but today that's going. TO change i work
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second shift at a drug and alcohol rehab center as a.
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Clinical aid there was a client who came through during
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that TIME who i took a liking to talk, about,
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philosophy recovery. Anything really and this guy used to trade options.
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Full time he, was smart, understood markets. Probability risk he
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was THE one i celebrated With when yukon hit that.
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Buzzer beater we jumped up from the couch. High fived
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i'd shown him the bet and he'd seen. The payout
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one day during, a shift we were talking about the
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betting apps and he said, three words viable. SIDE gig
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i immediately shrugged. Him off. I'm out but that's all.
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It took once someone says it, out loud the thing
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you've been whispering to yourself starts to. COME real i
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laughed off. The idea i'm not. AN idiot i know
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gambling is obviously never going to pay. The bills but
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that thing in the crawl space doesn't need you to
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believe it. Right away it just needs you to not
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close the. DOOR entirely i, started THINKING if i could
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make an extra two to three hundred dollars, a night
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a couple hours, OF work i could just do the
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podcast thing full time and bed a little on. THE
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side i subconsciously began to entertain this belief while knowing
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INTELLECTUALLY everything i told you last episode about dopamine and
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cross addiction AND the. Dsm five but knowledge doesn't. Protect
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you knowing the science doesn't. Protect you understanding the math doesn't.
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Protect you the thing in the crawl space doesn't care what.
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You know it cares how. You feel AND what i felt, was,
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competent special like the promos might make an addict out,
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of others but.
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Not me.
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In nineteen, seventy five a Psychologist Named ellen langer ran
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an Experiment. At yale she gave office workers. Lottery tickets
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half got to pick their, own ticket half were handed one.
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At random before, the drawing she asked what price they'd
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Sell for the people who chose their own ticket demanded
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nearly four and a half times, more money, same lottery,
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same odds but the act of choosing made people believe
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they had influence over a purely. Random outcome langer called
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it the illusion. Of control sports betting triggers it harder
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than almost any other form. Of gambling you're not pulling a.
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Slot lever, you're researching you're, analyzing matchups you're. Watching film
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you have. A system a two thousand and four study
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followed thirty expert hockey betters across a. Full season their
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actual returns were no better than. Random picks the sportsbook's
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margin wiped out every bit of. Their expertise the, researcher's
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conclusion the skills sports betters believe they have are. COGNITIVE
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distortions i had, A system i had, A spreadsheet i
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had an options trader TELLING me i was good, at
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THIS and i had nine apps in my pocket confirming.
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The illusion the dopamine high from winning a bet. IS
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real i told you about it. Last episode the, mesolymbic PATHWAY,
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the vta the, nucleus occumbents all. Of IT but i
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need to be honest about the scale. Of it the
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high of winning a bet for me was nothing like
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the high. Of alcohol it was nothing. Like oxycodone those
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were my drugs, of choice or maybe, more accurately drugs of.
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No choice the FIRST time i took a, real drink
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the FIRST time i took an oxy my whole body
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lit up in a way that gambling never came close.
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To matching gambling wasn't bigger than my. Old highs it, was, smaller,
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Quieter duller and that might actually be what makes it
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all the. More cunning somewhere around day four, OR five i.
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WAS exhausted i was not. SLEEPING well i was checking
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odds through my. Work day the rush of each individual
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wind had. FLATTENED out, i knew on a very, CONSCIOUS
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level i was not enjoying, this ANYMORE and i still
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ended UP where i ended up on. Day eleven the
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flood that hit me didn't come out. Of nowhere somebody built.
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The river somebody spent a lot of money. Building it
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in twenty, Twenty, Four DraftKings, fan duel AND bet mgm
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spend it combined three hundred and fourteen million dollars on
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television advertising in a. Single Year john ham's done A Commercial.
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You'll Never forget BET Him, Gm sportsbook make It Legendary.
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Lebron james i'm to.
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Take it to the House, with DraftKings, new customers bet,
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five bucks get.
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Three Hundred, Kevin, Hart Yeah kevin hart. SPORTS books i respect, The.
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Hustle DraftKings Respect jamie fox, in here.
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Bet him GM's got all the sports betting.
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And One, Tom Brady, vince Vaughn And wayne gretzky did.
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One TOGETHER em.
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Jm is for everyone that loves, sports betting Everyone But.
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Tom, brady wait WHAT did?
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I DO and i think there's been a. Couple Others,
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Charles barkley, Shaquille O'Neill, Derek Jeter, Barry sanders Peyton And,
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Eli Manning, Vanessa Hudgens, Kevin Garnett, Jalen Rose, Marshawn Lynch,
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David Artiz, Tony Hawk, Kendall, Jenner Ludacris, RYAN. Seacrest, Jb Smooth,
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Patton Oswald, Gordon Ramsay, Halle Berry, Rob Gronkouncy, Luis, Kusman
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Olivia Don, Drew Brees Jerome, Bettis Drake, Neil, Patrick Harris Christian, Ronaldo,
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Namer Junior, Paris Hill, Nicki, minajen Yes the undertaker that.
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Doesn't count digital social media, podcast sponsorships, stadium signage or.
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Influencer deals these are not. Informational ads they're not explaining.
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A product they're associating gambling, with, laughter, status competition. And
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friendship they're embedding sportsbook apps into the emotional fabric of,
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watching sports so that opening DraftKings feels as natural as
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checking the Score During, march MADNESS while i was downloading,
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nine APPS every ncaa tournament broadcast had sportsbook ads running.
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During timeouts every SPORTS podcast i listened to opened with
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a promo Code Read my instagram feed was serving me
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targeted draftking ads because my Phone knew i'd visited. Their
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websites ESPN's scoreboard app had a bet button built into the.
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Game page you couldn't check a score box without. Seeing
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odds it was everywhere woven into the experience of being
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a sports fan so thoroughly that not betting started to
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feel like the, weird CHOICE like i was the only
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person at the party without. A Drink in december twenty,
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twenty Four The United States Senate judiciary committee held a
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hearing on legalized. Sports Gambling Senator dick durbin opened with
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this with.
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The advent of online, sports betting everyone's cell phone is a.
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Sports book LAST night i went to. A reception A
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fella i didn't know came up to me, and said
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thanks for having. This HEARING and, i said what's your interest?
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In?
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It said my son's at An ivy. League school he bets,
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every day and his fellow students. Do too it has
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become so common they aren't even think it's a. New phenomenon.
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What, it is we call it the big con taking, a,
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known dangerous an addictive product and then blaming it with
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a fraudulent and manipulative financial SCHEME.
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Some usa how?
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Is it how is online gambling or big time commercial?
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Casino operators how are they different than any? Other BUSINESS
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if i want to go To A minnesota, VIKINGS game
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i buy a ticket to. THE game i get. That,
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experience okay it's a one for. One exchange commercialized gambling
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is a financial exchange that's mathematically stacked. Against you the
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longer you participate, in it the more frequently you participate,
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in participating it's a mathematical guarantee you're going to lose all.
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Your cash you're driving on, the highway there's a billboard
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for you're watching, the show there's a commercial for you're on,
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your phone there's. An, advertisement NO it's, i mean it's
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probably testibate how much moneys in the industry with it,
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Right now but it's everywhere.
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You look the sports books and the commercials and the
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leagues themselves are making it look so cool to gamble
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and risk.
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And money it's being marketed much more now as like.
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Fun play, be happy, sell sports but just be aware
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that it. Destroys lives gamblers have a highest suicide rate
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compared to any other. You, KNOW addiction i think that
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it being so ameshed, in society we're really just at
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the beginning. OF It.
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A landmark uk study analyzed one hundred and thirty nine thousand.
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Gambling accounts eighty percent of revenue it came from just
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five point seven percent. Of. Gamblers addicts the business model
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doesn't need most people to, lose big it needs a
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small number of people to. Lose everything have you ever
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seen a? Venus flytrap it, sits still it, Doesn't chase
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it opens its mouth. And waits on the inside of
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that mouth is a sweetened nectar that. Attracts insects the,
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insect lands and the fly trap, doesn't close, not yet
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because of its. Snap shut every time something. Touched it
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it would waste energy on things that weren't, Worth digesting so,
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it waits and it only closes when the insect crosses a,
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specific threshold a exact number of contact points that must. Be,
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triggered then and only then does the trap. Spring shut
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three hundred and fourteen million dollars, Of nectar Kevin Hart,
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lebron James The manning brothers the scents and it gets
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the attention, of insects and it gets them. To land
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and once, you've landed there's, free bets, deposit matches. Profit
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boosts the trap, is open, you're inside, feels, roomy spacious
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and then the trap starts analyzing. Your behavior, every bets,
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every deposit, every session the trap is. Testing you are
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you a profitable customer or a? Bonus hunter are you
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going to chase losses or walk away with. The promo
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the sensors, are firing and once you hit these specific,
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pressure points the. Trap closes for, some people that's the
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first big. Unheedged bet for some it's the first deposit
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from a. Credit card for some it's the moment they
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stop watching a game for enjoyment and start watching it
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purely for the. Bet outcome different triggers for, different insects
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but for every person the industry turns into a long term.
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Losing customer there is a specific moment with the trap.
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Snap Shut carl jacobsen was inside a closed fly trap
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by the time he. Was arrested i'm gonna show you
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later in this series exactly when the trap closed. On
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me the fly trap doesn't have to, chase you it
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just has.
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To exist we'll be right back after a. Quick break.
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In two thousand, and seven Researchers At Harvard medical school
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got access to something no gambling study had ever. Had
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before real. Betting data, not surveys not, self reports actual
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anonymized account level records from tens of thousands of real
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customers On, b win A major european. Sports book they
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could see, every deposit, every bet every win and loss
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in real time. At scale one of the things they
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found was simple. And devastating people who experienced a big
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early win placed more bets in, subsequent weeks wagered, larger
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amounts took on, more risk and lost more money. Over
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time early winning made them long. TERM losers a separate
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study tracked thirty four thousand daily fantasy Sports subscrit greiber's.
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Same findings big wins led to higher, entry fees, more
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contests and greater. Net losses fifty five percent of at
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risk gamblers recalled beginner's luck as a. Formative memory the
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memory of winning early isn't just a nice story you.
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Tell yourself it's a clinical predictor of what. Comes Next
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Doctor robert custer mapped the progression of gambling disorder back
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in nineteen eighty four, three stages the, winning phase the,
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losing phase the. Desperation phase nobody skips the winning phase
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because without it you. Walk away as, YOU know i
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won two hundred and fifty two dollars on a one
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point three percent. Probability game carl won somewhere early in his.
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Cycle two we both entered the, winning phase and what
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it did to both of us it changed our relationship
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with our. Own judgment in the first, FOUR days i,
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was disciplined. GENUINELY disciplined i, was hedging placing a bet on,
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one app then placing the opposite bet on a different
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app at a, different line locking in a small guaranteed
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profit from the gap between the. Two books the profit,
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was modest but it Was certain by, DAY six i
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had stopped. Hedging entirely the shift didn't feel like. A
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collapse it felt like. A promotion the hedging, was. MECHANICAL
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boring i was spending an hour setting up guaranteed thirty
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dollars PROFITS when i could just pick the right side
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and make. Three hundred each step, Was incremental each step
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made sense in the context of the step, before it
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and by THE time i, looked up the entire foundation
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OF what i was doing. Had changed and that's how.
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Addiction works it doesn't. Announce itself it adjusts, the settings
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one click at, a time until you're living in a
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completely different program and you don't remember. The switch the
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client's voice was in, my head, viable sidekick and my record.
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Was confirmation, april fifth twenty, twenty six three point thirty
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two in. The morning by THIS point i had been
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betting for a, week straight placing bets, at lunch checking
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odds while people were talking, to me waking up and
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reaching for my phone before my feet hit, the floor
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not to check the time or my emails, or messages
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but to check if my overnight bet. Had Settled on,
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FanDuel alone i had already made at least twenty seven
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bets across the eight. OTHER apps i guarantee the number
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of individual bets was over. One hundred at three thirty
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two in, THE morning i placed a three hundred dollars
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bet reset token On The cincinnati reds minus one point
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five on the. Run line odds were plus one Sixty
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four reds favored to win by two. Or more rough.
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Plus money not exactly a, long shot but definitely not a.
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Guaranteed thing if you GUESS that i watched that, game
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live you'd. Be CORRECT but i didn't just watch. IT
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live i watched it like it Was The, world series
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a random game On a, sunday afternoon featuring two TEAMS
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that i would never normally. Tune into it was a
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three hundred dollars bet at one sixty. Four odds that's
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a four hundred and ninety two, DOLLARS profit a payout
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of eight. Hundred dollars eight hundred dollars is a full
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Week's pay at my.
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Day job Grand And right side And through wave is
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on the scoop and right nimble fire to The plane
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head's late head first line mclade HiT's two To one
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cincinnati early eight.
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Men are on first and. Second Base the reds are up.
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By one everything is going according, to PLAN but i
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Need the reds to win by. Two runs and two,
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pitches later.
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That's lined and down at left field base it stop
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signing at Third Day la cruz. Late breaks could he have?
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SCORED there i, thought.
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So, another hit but the third base Coach Held Ellie
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dela cruz at. Third base could he have? Scored, THERE
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honestly i. DON'T know i, think so but no one.
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Really Knows Ellie dela cruz used to be in the
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top FIVE fastest mlb players in, the league clocking in
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at thirty one miles an, hour absurd but he started
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bulking up in recent years to, gain power and his
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agility has taken a. Noticeable hits he is no longer
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even the fastest person on. His team but still there
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was only. One out bases. ARE loaded i just needed one.
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More run it could be a, sack fly it could be,
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a bunt, a. Groundball anything the one thing it could
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not be was a double play.
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On two pitch man that one is line a second
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Cut by smith back to the.
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About that sometimes he's got.
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A Break tela cruz was way down the line at
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Third and smith with the long thrown nailed him to in.
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The inning inning, over In the reds would not. Score
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again they won, the game but only by, one run
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and i lost my three. Hundred dollars i'd been winning for,
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a week and this loss. Landed Different the tennessee loss
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Back on march twenty ninth. DIDN'T register i MEANT what
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i said back in episode one slid, off me but
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this one stayed because winning changes what a loss. Feels
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00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:57.480
like after, a streak a loss isn't a normal. Outcome
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00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:01.240
anymore feels, like theft like something that belonged to you,
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00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.920
Got taken and the response your brain generates before your
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conscious mind gets a vote is get. It back that response.
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Is physical it's not even really. A thought it's not.
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A decision it's a tightening in, your chest a heat behind,
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your eyes an urgency, that, says now don't consult, your sponsor,
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your spreadsheet or. Your friends and by the time your
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prefrontal cortex catches up and tries to pump, the brakes
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the bed is. Already placed that, is lost chasing one
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of the diagnostic criteria for gambling disorder IN the. Dsm
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five the, Next day April Sixth milwaukee brewers At The Boston.
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RED sox i Bet the brewers not on one app
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On five FanDuel three hundred dollars Bonus bet brewers money
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line minus One eight FanDuel again three hundred dollars bet
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Reset token brewers, minus One sixteen caesar ten dollars Bonus
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bet brewers, minus One fifteen fanatics two hundred, dollars wager
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one hundred dollar bet match another one hundred, dollars match
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multiple profit boosted side bets, All brewers DraftKings twenty dollars
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with a fifty percent. Profit boost underdog forty nine To
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fifty brewers, To win underdog forty nine to. Ninety five
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Entry on brewers to win, one game five apps and
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every single dollar on the, same side, no hedge no
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opposite bet on a different book.
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On the ground, RIGHT side a long way to.
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His left zoran uses the range to, get there And
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the brewers are eight.
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And Two the brewers won five apps one. After another
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FanDuel settled one two hundred and seventy. Nine dollars fan
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duel again settled one five hundred fifty. Eight dollars DraftKings.
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Settled one caesar's settled one fanatics settled one one. One
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one my phone lit up like, a switchboard, confetti animations,
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victory sounds each one engineered to make the moment feel
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bigger than, it was multiplied that across. Five apps at the.
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SAME time i won somewhere around fifteen hundred dollars on,
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one GAME and i. Felt power it wasn't just. THE
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money i FELT like i had cracked, the code and,
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MOST importantly i FELT like i needed to place the.
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Next bet the high of, that win my biggest, to
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date the biggest in, my life had a half life
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00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.440
of around forty. Five minutes there was something going on
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00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:53.880
underneath that HIGH that i didn't feel. RIGHT away i
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think it truly started the, next morning a kind, of,
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emptiness grayness like THE joy i just had experienced that
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00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.480
last night wasn't, actually Mine like i'd. Borrowed it that
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feeling has. A name it's been studied for over one,
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00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:13.519
hundred years and it's the reason sobriety alone never fixed
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00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.400
Anything For carl jacobson or. For me the thing in
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the crawl space. Wasn't hungry it, was full comfortable feed
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up on, the furniture settled in like it owned the
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place and me, upstairs asleep THINKING that i was running.
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The show the thing about mobile gambling is that it's
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nothing like going to. The casino you don't, drive somewhere
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gamble for, three hours and. Drive home mobile gambling, is.
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Ambient atmospheric it lives in the margins of. Your day
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you check the app while you're, making coffee you check
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00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.239
it while you're waiting for, the microwave and a red
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00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:56.400
light check it in. The bathroom every time, you check something,
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has changed a bet, has settled a line, has moved
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00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:05.079
a bonus, has unlocked a. Notification popped the dopamine doesn't
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come in one. Big wave it comes in one hundred
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tiny pulses spread across the, entire day each one small
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00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.800
enough that it doesn't really feel, like anything feels like checking,
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your phone which everyone does one hundred times a. Day
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00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:23.119
anyways but the cumulative effect is a brain receiving intermittent
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00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:26.400
reinforcement from the moment you wake up to the moment you.
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00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:32.679
Fall asleep and, intermittent reinforcement as THE Psychologist bf skinner documented,
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00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:36.840
decades ago is the most powerful schedule for maintaining, a
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00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:42.199
behavior more powerful than, constant reward more powerful than, predictable
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00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:47.679
reward the, not knowing the maybe, this time that's. The
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00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:53.440
design there's a concept in gambling psychology called aspiration. Level
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shift your internal. Goalpusts MOVE when, i started my goal,
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was simple extract a few hundred dollars from the sign
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up bonuses and. Walk away by, day six the goal.
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Had shifted build, a system make, consistent income replace the
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need for a. Second job there's a post on our
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slash problem Gambling User Gambling recovery calm. Posted quotes gambling is.
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A paradox we're losing is actually the best. Case scenario
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winning early is.
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An infection it teaches your brain and, this works and
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by the time the, losing starts infection has already. Taken hold.
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We'll be right back after a. Quick break don't. Go anywhere.
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At the beginning of, this episode during the, theme music
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you heard, a voice a. Man's voice That Was. Carl
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jacobson and this is, his story not the, arrest story not,
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the warrant not, the confession the story before, all that
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00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:19.079
the one that makes everything after. It hurt the easiest
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way to get To know carl is to do what
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you do when you want to get to know anyone
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00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:28.280
which is to spend some time. With Him so i'm
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gonna place you in a Room with carl and a Woman.
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Named kika they did an interview TOGETHER for wnhh one oh.
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THREE five i found this video on YouTube and it
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has a grand total of twenty, four views not twenty
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four thousand or twenty, four hundred twenty, four TOTAL and
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i know at least five or six of those are.
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From me the live broadcast undoubtedly had more than twenty.
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FOUR listeners i can't tell you exactly. How many this
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kind of of hyper local community radio station doesn't even
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track those kinds. OF numbers i share these details with
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you to show you the kind of. Police chief karl
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was the kind that took an hour out of his
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day to communicate with the actual People Of new haven
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to be interviewed for a show that only a few
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hundred or maybe few thousand people whatever here.
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Talk to us.
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About why from a very early age you already knew
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that you were going to become a. Police OFFICER so
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i grew up in a household with. Alcoholism abuse there were,
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some issues, you know and when the police arrived as a,
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SMALL kid i. Felt safe my step parents and other
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people didn't feel safe because they were probably going. To
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00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:51.159
jail but as a, LITTLE boy i, felt SAFE and,
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I said i want to do SOMETHING where i, help
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people AND when i, show up people.
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FEEL safe a boy in a, chaotic home adults, who
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drank and then the police arrived and the boy. Felt
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safe the boy decided right then that he wanted to
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be the person who makes other people feel, that way
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and he held on to that for twenty. Nine years
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he held. Onto it He Found, new haven he saw the,
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walking beats the community, policing model and, he said THAT'S
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where i want. To go, He went he climbed, the
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ranks and then in late twenty, twenty two the City
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Chose carl jacobson to. Lead it everyone who spoke at
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his appointment said the. Same, thing officers, community members. Or
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00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:40.280
organizers they, all said this is. The guy he, gets it,
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He cares and when the Interviewer asked carl what his
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top priority would be in the, big chair he.
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Didn't hesitate the officers need a chief, that's present, that's
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here that's coming in, every day going, to meetings going.
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On homicides i'm not there. To criticize i'm there to
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show HIM that i. Care too you know there's a corny.
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Saying That Actually chief essemen used, to say they don't
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care what you know till they know that.
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YOU care.
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I just want to touch on, One Kid, curtis ratchford
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who came who was involved in. A gang i took
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00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:17.320
him out For a sunday and a burger with a
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couple other probation officers and we were getting them hooked up.
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With school two, days later he shot SOMEBODY and i
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00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:26.960
had to arrest him. FOR it i was there when
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he got out of jail, To say i'm here.
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For you what do?
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You need HOW can i help you? Stay alive and
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00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:35.039
he actually said in that hearing that he feels he's
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alive today because.
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Of me, you know.
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00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:47.960
It's been a, long week but, you know we have
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officers that have relationships. LIKE that i want all of
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00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:55.159
our officers to have to have relationships. LIKE that i
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00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:59.159
have to be. The example and, you know the people
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00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:01.599
of this comedian unity, need us and the people with
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00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:04.239
those community. Want us they want the, good ones and
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we're going to be the.
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Good ones the Host asked carl to describe himself in.
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THREE words i.
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Hope they would be a, good DAD because i have two,
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Beautiful children so dad leader. And trustworthy his.
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Kids would watch their father. Get arrested his leadership would
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end in a press conference where the, mayor said no
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one is above, the law and trustworthy was the word
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the whole city. Choked On carl jacobson grew up in
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a home. With alcoholism he. Survived it he built an
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00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.800
identity around being the opposite of the adults who, heard
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00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:49.360
him and the disease that lived in his childhood home found,
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00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:53.480
him anyways not through, a bottle but through. A screen
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the fly trap had Opened and carl.
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HAD landed.
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I told you at the beginning of this EPISODE that
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i had. A Plan The Fandual bet reset promotion ran
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for ten, days straight, ten tokens ten days. Of bets,
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DAY eleven i, uninstall everything, cash out and. Walk away by.
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00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:20.519
Day ten that plan felt LIKE something i told myself
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a long, time ago like a promise you make to
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a version of yourself that doesn't. Exist anymore day. ELEVEN
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00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.719
came i was on the phone with, my sponsor and
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00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.800
while we, were talking a notification slid down the top of.
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My screen FanDuel five hundred Dollars bet reset token the
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biggest one they had ever. Sent me on, day eleven
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00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:46.360
when the bonuses were supposed to have, Run out it's
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00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:51.440
almost like. They knew that's because they. Did know the
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00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.760
fly trap had been reading my pattern for. Ten days
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00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:58.480
it saw what kind OF insect, i was saw the
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deposits the frequent and see the, session lengths and it
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offered the sweetest nectar it had at the EXACT moment
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00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:14.119
i was supposed to, FLY away i didn't. Fly away
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00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:21.159
if you or someone you know is struggling, with Gambling
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The National Problem gambling helpline is available twenty four to
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Next time trying to enjoy. THE daylight.
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I never. Gambled before my life once turned twenty one
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00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:17.360
and me and my best friend went Out, TO vegas i,
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00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:21.000
you know learned how to play BLACKJACK and i started.
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00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:23.199
WINNING money i ended up winning like a thousand dollars.
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00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:26.360
Out there we were out there for. Six days the
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LAST night i, WAS there i was at At the
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palms Or hard rock, or SOMEWHERE and i don't. REALLY
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00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:34.639
didn't i don't really KNOW what i. WAS doing i
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00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.239
just kept pushing a lot of chips up there and
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00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.159
kept winning. Every hand, you know, BLACKJACK twenty i was
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00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.880
just on a roll on a street and we had
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00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.559
to fly Back. To charlotte our flight. Was leaving, he's like,
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00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:48.400
come on we got, to GO and i just had all.
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00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:51.599
This money so THEN when i, GOT back i had
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the FEVER and i, was, LIKE man i want to.
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You KNOW so i found out that there was blackjack
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tables Up At. Harris CHEROKEE so i started going up there,
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00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.719
and gambling and, YOU know i went a, little bit
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00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.159
lose a, little bit and THEN before i, knew it,
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00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:06.239
YOU know i was just getting deeper. Into debt and
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when did it escalate out?
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Of control do.
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You remember Most weekends i'd go up there, and LOSE
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like i felt like, my thousand two thousand and one.
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Week in more, THAN that i quit keeping track. Pretty
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much they had a program where they could ban you
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could ban yourself like self eighty. SIX yourself i did
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THAT and i just never really. WENT back i just
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REALIZED that i can't even go into a, casino really
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you KNOW what, i mean because as SOON as i walk,
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IN there I mean i want to go to a
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black jack table and, start playing because it's so addictive
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and it's, you know the change of luck can happen.
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So fast there was some NIGHTS when i was up
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like five, or, six, ten fifteen twenty thousand dollars up
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right in front. OF me i started like a thousand
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and have and have won like ten. Times that BUT
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then i. WOULDN'T stop i would just, keep gambling give it.
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All back And then i'd go up to the hotel
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Room and i'd get comped hotel rooms and they had
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like a. Diamond car they had this little private Room
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for diamond card Members at harris where it was just
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nothing but just hardcore at. Dambling acts i'd walk in
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there and, look around smoke, a cigarette and go back.
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And PLAY but i can't Say if i'm a real.
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Gambling attic BUT when i get, in, there man if
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something takes Over and i'm, just, like whoa because You lost,
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OH probably i mean the, EXACT amount i. DON'T know
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i would probably say anywhere from fifty two one hundred
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grand maybe more with debt. CREDIT card, I mean i'd
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defile bankruptcy, over it you KNOW if, I would like
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this is fifteen twenty. Years ago i'll tell a STORY
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when i Was In las VEGAS when i first went
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out there in two thousand. And two we're At. THE
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stratosphere i was at a black jack table and that
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was all these police lines and. STUFF everywhere i was
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talking to the dealer and talking. All this, she's, like
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yeah this young kid lost everything he had and threw
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himself from the top the one of the, motel rooms
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jumped off. THE balcony i, was like does this happen?
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A lot, she's like it happens about every. Other day