Talking With Ty Herndon About Old Times, Touring Together and His New Album

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Standing by three two.
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Let's go. Here's talking with Thompson Square.
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It's a podcast.
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Her ass are blue, her hair was long, six to pocket.
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She was born in.
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Bad and Roach.
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Her favorite song was in My Life a Mila ras
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Ever Moon.
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I knew her books were covered close.
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Oh happy, No.
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She wasn't madst.
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I never asked, oh my gosh, and she never said
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I love that song.
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It's so good. I love that song and I love
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my next guest. I tell you what.
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We had the privilege of touring with this guy for
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probably I don't know, five years or more. It was
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my first gig as a as a side guy, and
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at some point I got to hire my wife to
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go out on the road with him, and man, we
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learned so much from this guy. Singing three part of
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Harmony with him was absolutely a dream because he's seriously,
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in my opinion, in a lot of people's opinion, one
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of the best, one of the finest country music singers
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in country music history. I have nothing else to say
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about this guy except for great, great things.
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So please, if you.
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Would please welcome the one and only, coming live from
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his living room, brother Tyrndon.
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What's up, my man? How you're doing.
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Cheers, man, cheers.
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It's good to see you recording in progress. It has
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been a long long time, man, long time.
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Sorry I had I had a little little android lady
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talking to me.
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There I clicked except.
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Okay, good.
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Well, yeah, we're going to record it just in case
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we have something cool to say.
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You know. Well, you know, between you and I, if
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we ever not had cool things to say, never never,
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We always have true.
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But we cool things and tons and tons of cool stories.
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Some we can say and some we probably can't say, right,
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probably most we can't say.
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Oh man, you know, I'm living it pretty authentic these days.
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I'm fearless. So you know, waitue, let me think about it.
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Maybe a few, maybe a few, maybe maybe keep a
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couple of bodies buried, you know what I mean.
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They don't have to be exhumed.
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That's right.
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Well, man, you know it's holidays.
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It's yeah, happy holl of days. Man, It's it's exciting
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around here. We were I think we're on our twelfth.
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Tree putting up. Uh. Yeah, I'm tired of decorating.
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Trees. You got to take down?
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Yeah, man, all the lights and everything, it's crazy. How
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are you preparing for Christmas three four year old. Wait, hell,
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he's five, dude. He's gonna be six in January.
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Oh my god. Time flies.
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So you know, Santa shows up around here, but he
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probably shows up a lot more of your house, so
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that's pretty awesome. Yeah, he better you're in you're in
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the middle of Santa Land.
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Yeah, absolutely, man.
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You know, I think this year is probably my most
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favorite year so far, simply because he's at the age
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to where he, uh, well.
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He believes in everything.
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That's awesome, but he's getting it. Well, No, of course
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I do, of course I do. But you know, you
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know what I'm saying. He gets excited about everything.
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You know, I believe more than ever.
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Actually, well, and I think you have to.
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I think it keeps you young. You know, when you
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believe in it, that's what makes it fun. If you don't,
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if you don't engage, what's the point, you know what
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I mean.
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My nephew just turned eighteen, you know, Jackson.
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Oh yeah, god, my god, don't say that.
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He's eighteen and he got into three colleges, so we
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were happy about that. Santa was real good and uh
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he's a but he chose close to home. Of course,
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boys always do that. Uh, so he's a I keep
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I keep waiting for the bunk. Oh what can I
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can I have a party at your house?
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Yeah, you can buy me beer.
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Of course I'll say yes.
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Yeah, he's gonna, he's gonna. He's gonna be asking you
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to buy beer and everything else soon.
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I was actually kind of proud of him, man, because
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he's he's uh you know, I don't I don't want
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to say that he's had a beer or he hasn't.
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He's very responsible.
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Yeah, well I was not responsible. I was asking everybody
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to buy me beer at that age.
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Oh I remember a stubborn beer truck story too.
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Yeah, I think statutes around on that. But yeah, I
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got some travel man. Thanks for bringing that up.
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Oh no, that was one of my favorite stories.
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That's a good one.
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I know you can't tell it right now. Yeah you
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fans ask him in person.
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Yeah, you know, that was a different time, a long
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long time ago, when I was really really bad. I'm
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not the angel that you see before you today. I
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wasn't always this angel.
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Same man, I got true words. Here's might a bit
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of beer truck. I think mine was mine was stolen pigs.
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That's more country man. That's a way more country than
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stone beer. If we knew each other, we would have
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pork stolen pork and beer.
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That would have been an awesome fire.
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Pit marinated and beer been amazing. Man.
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So how are you guys preparing for the holidays?
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Man?
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Where you going to spend it this year? And and
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all that good stuff?
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That's my tree?
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Yeah all right, Oh man, you're lazy, you lazy.
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I am kidding by last year, year before last, my
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mom said, because you know, Mama, Peggy, she she said,
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why don't you have a tree, Because I was living
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in the gulch. I'm like, well, Mom, we travel, I'm
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home for two days, right, So next thing I knew,
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three trees showed up this little one and then I
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put six foot.
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She goes, oh, you got to do this plug it in?
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And I said, I love her, Peggy, She's awesome.
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They're on top of I've got a little a baby
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grand in there, and they're both but the other two
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on top of the baby grand and right, it's so
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easy to just plug it in and.
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There you go, instant, instant Christmas, Christmas. Your mom is
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so awesome.
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Man.
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I missed seeing her too.
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You know what she just turned eighty one, and she's
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she's in really great health. Really, she just got a
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little hard thing going on.
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But other than that, you just moved her into a
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brand new house. We had we had to do that
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because there were ninety steps going up to the house
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before and seventeen steps in the house. So she was like, Okay,
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she's gonna kill me for telling me the story. But
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we ordered her one of those little uh there's little
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things that go on the stair roads.
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Did you really lost her mind on us?
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Oh, I'm sure she did. Man, that's for old people.
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Mom's great, you know, she we you know, she gets
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the six pack of Miller Lite on Friday. She's like,
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she looked at me, she said, the only thing that
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will go on that is my beer going upstairs.
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That's for old people, man, you know better than that.
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She but most stiletto. She's pretty. She's pretty, she's pretty, pretty, great.
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She's all woman.
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She's all of them. But so we u. My brother
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in law is one of the number one builders in town.
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So he happened upon this place over in Bellevue that
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has she can she can get in her car. She
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goes to the dollar store to uh to Hearty's Kentucky
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Fried Chicken and the gas station where she gets your
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beer and she doesn't have to do any stairs.
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I need to come and have a beer with her. Man,
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I didn't know she drank beer. That's fantastic.
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Oh yeah, man, you know, she'll she's she's she's she's
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a god fearing woman, you know, godly woman. But she's
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you know, it's uh, she's never had a problem with
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the with the beer.
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Nothing wrong. I ain't nothing wrong in the beer. Why
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is it so much?
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I myself had a lot of problem with the beer.
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Yeah, oh, I know, I had some close calls. Why
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is it so much cooler when when older people.
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Drink and us, well, you knew, I agreed that, you know, agreed.
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It was a former Ford model.
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Yeah, you know. She she just left us last year.
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She she you know, she went out pretty critically, almost
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at eighty seven years old. You know, I've always said, I,
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you know, I'm you know, I'm going to be sixty
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my next birthday, which is kind of crazy, but I
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made it this far, and so I don't I've never
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really given a number much you know, value, but that's
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what I thought about it. I looked at it. I
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was like, hmm, okay, here we go.
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So Bonnie Rate said, Bonnie Rate said sixty to seventy
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were her best years. I'm saying, I'm going to say
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sixty to eighty are going to be my best year.
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So it's interesting, man, getting older and getting older in
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this business. And Reeva mcintar told me something a long
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time ago. She goes, you know, you you you stay,
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your talent stays the same, man, she said, but you
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have to reinvent yourself.
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But I always wondered what that meant, right, and what
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I finally found out was you know, I stayed tie.
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You know, I'm a I'm a country singer. I can
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I can sing a lot of things. But what I
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found out was, you know that that you go in
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the studio and the sounds change.
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You know, awesome new musicians that are creating these new sounds,
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and it's just really about the sound of your record
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and to me and what's you know, there's some there
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in writing with cool writers. You have to be open
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minded to to what's going on in the world and
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stay authentic to what's going on with you and which.
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Is struggle, which is tough to do. Sometimes it's tough
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to do.
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I've had a very interesting story, so it's it's been
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staying relevant for me. It has has many rooms. But
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I I thank goodness you guys. As you all know,
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I'm I'm a sober boy.
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But my Aunters always says, hey man, there has to
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be a brick Mason living inside of you.
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And I think that I tell this to kids when
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I go talk to them. I'm like, you know, you
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get up every day. I've got two jobs. I'm a
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musician and I'll have this great job of getting up
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and putting on my sober coat, right and and uh,
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you know, my sober job comes with bonuses and great
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trips and all this stuff as long as I stay sober.
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In the minute i'm not sober, you know, I'm on
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the I'm on the I'm probably on the retirement life.
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Just say, okay, man unemployed, All right, that's not that's
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not pretty on you.
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But the brick Mason, I love to tell the kids
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just because you know you you you get to you
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get the opportunity to build this town inside of you,
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and each brick that goes in and you're in charge
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of what's in the in the straw and the and
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the mud, and it keeps you grounded and you're in
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charge of of what room you're building. Right.
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I love connecting the dots of that because I get
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the opportune to work.
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With kids and adults.
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But at the end of the day, I'm a musician man,
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and and I have some pretty cool stories, some great,
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some not so great. But it's all the it's all
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the brick road that built me. Right, and today it
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makes sense. I think when you're growing up, you're like,
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oh my god, why this happened to me? And I've
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got some some some pretty horrific trauma that I've had
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to deal with in my life. But dealing with that
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trauma and getting it out of you and replacing it
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with I'm gonna have to take something that's that I
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don't talk about a lot because we're friends, but replacing
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trauma and getting bad things out there, Actually the bad
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things become your friends. And when you when you kind
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of shove them out, you're rid of them and you're like, oh,
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I missed my friend.
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You know. I had to learn how to live and joy, right,
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learn how to sanamon too, feed and just and just
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be the sheriff of my own town, right. And it's
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it's been a really cool journey to get to get
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to that place and then putting it in music. I'm
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very chatty with you today. That's good. I like it.
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That's what we're here, man.
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I love I've got a new the record, my nineteen
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studio album, Wow, and it's it's called Jacob man with
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with the journey that I've been on in my life.
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I love the story of it. It's not a Christian record,
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but I love the story. Uh, you know, Jacob and
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Isaiah just you know, have God. You can't wrestle with God.
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You're gonna lose man.
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You know you get this cripple them and and that
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and that limp and that crippled became his story and
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he went out in the world and did great things
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that people interpreted many different ways. But for me, there's
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not a song on the album called Jacob It's it's
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it's a concept right now about changing your ending. Right,
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all have power within us to change our ending if
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it's a good end, and you don't need to mess
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with it. But we all go through crap in our lives.
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So and you're in control of of what you want
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to do that you actually are in power, in the
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seat of power. And I love talking to kids and
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the like and they're like, what you know, but just
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the bad thing had of me.
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I'm like, man, you're you're in complete control of that.
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What are you going to do with it? Well? Story?
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And I don't think you. I don't think you can think.
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I think it's impossible to even realize that and learn
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that until you have some age on you, because when
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you're in the moment, it's just like that girl that
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breaks up with you or whatever in the twelfth grade
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or eleventh grade and you're like, this is I'm going
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to go kill myself because I can't.
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I can't.
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I can't do it, you know, I really and I
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think that, you know, I think that I've always I've
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always thought it'd be interesting, as someone who doesn't suffer
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from addiction to go to like AA or go to
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therapy because I think some of the principles that they
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teach in those meetings. From what I've heard, I have
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friends that are recovering addicts and situations like that, and man,
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the principles, it's it's kind of like it's almost kind
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of like the Bible, you know, I mean, the stories,
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if you.
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Believe it or not.
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Yeah, the content is still is so rooted in common sense.
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And the common sense, especially nowadays, is becoming a very
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rare commodity amongst everybody. And it's seen the whole world
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has lost all train of common sense. But you know,
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I think I think with age that comes, you know,
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and that's a struggle.
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Man. The hardest thing to do is be yourself.
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And even for some even for someone who you know,
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you know, I've you know, had some issues in the past,
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but never to the point where you know, I had
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to I couldn't get a hold of it.
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And you know that brings me to the thought because
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my grandmother told me I was I was at a
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very early age. I was singing when I was six
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years old, and at twelve years old, I was called
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to be a preacher. Wow, preach and teach and so
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interesting at this stage in my life, how true that
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is because every situation really for me, it's a teaching moment.
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But good, bad and the ugly. What am I where's
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my individuality in this moment?
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And what am I going to learn? And and I've
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also learned that I never have to be right, never
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have to be wrong. It's just what is in this
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moment that's going to give me a teaching moment for
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someone else? And and that that little preacher and teacher
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has that little preacher kid has now turned into a
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teacher with a little bit of preaching involved. It's not
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a guy. You know that about me?
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I am and uh, you got you know, I would
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say it's sobriety, always say you know, you just find
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you knew if you're dow a sobriety, we always tell
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the cause you know, just find something a little bit bigger,
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need to believe in if it's a tree, you know,
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but that tree always comes back to God. But are
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something that that's on this planet that gives you spirituality.
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And it's so cool today to be able to I
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love what you said. You know, we we are. We
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are a floundering society right now. And I always considered
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myself to be doing that earlier on. I was like
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I was the flounder.
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Today and by today's definition, you are not a flounder.
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If Maddy no back then, let's saying in this time
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that I would. You know.
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Also, I found sometimes found out really late in light
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that life that we didn't have these tests back then,
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that I was managed by polar I had no idea
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that was going on. So I love talking to young
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adults and kids, going, hey, you know there where there's trauma,
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whether it's something you've gone through, there's there are reasons
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that you land here right and some are big, summer, small,
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it doesn't matter, but there also are solutions.
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And I like to live my life that way, man.
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You know, because in this crazy time where there's so
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many opinions, uh, families or families are split apart by politics,
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Families are split apart by vaccines there and you know,
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and it's it's crazy time. My mama has it well said.
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She's like, in this house, we have love. If you
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don't want to have love, you can go on the
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porch and talk about it. If you fight about it,
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you can go in the yard.
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If you fight too much, I'm gonna call the police.
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And I love that analogy from my because at the
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end of the day, we're just blood and bones. Man.
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We got to love each other and we're in different opinions,
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but we don't got to fight about it.
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You know. It's that place.
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I don't know, there's that I don't think anybody's right
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or wrong, you know, it's just it's there's a story
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in every person that you got to where you are
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by your story.
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It's true, man. You know.
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I looked at I looked at the photo of the
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day of the globe and it was zoomed out. I
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think I think I was actually on Google Earth, and
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I was looking at a piece of property I was
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thinking about looking.
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At Yeah you are the landowner, now, yeah, yeah yeah.
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But so I zoomed out and I saw the earth
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in its entirety, and I just looked at it for
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a second, it's some of this overwhelming feeling of of
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loneliness kind of came over me, and I was like, look,
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who on this big rock is better than anyone else?
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Who on this big rock? We are so insignificant when
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it comes to the universe as the individual. Anyone who
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thinks they have their right to impose their opinions and
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everything else on somebody else. It's just asinine to me
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because you're only here for a fleeting moment, and people
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waste so much time fighting and trying to impose their thoughts,
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you know, people that want to come to our country
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and impose their country's thoughts or there are all these
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different things, you know, And I'm like, it's like the
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Haggard song, if you don't love it, leave it kind
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of I feel really strongly about that because I love
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this country and I hate to see the fundamentals of
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some of the just being completely torn down or attempted
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to tear down. And I'm really curious to see what's
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going to happen in the next few years.
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But I don't know, man, just seeing the.
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Earth like that we were here the next few years.
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Well yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
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Grandma said Jesus has come in.
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I tell you, man, well, dude, you know about this.
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You know, yeah, it's so it's you know, I hear
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you man, It's just so.
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Man.
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You know I you know, I'm LGBTQ, you know, and
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I and you know I I often fighting for kids.
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And then you add that element, you know, the world,
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the element to it, you know. And I look at
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a and I look at it, you know, I look
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at a family that we've just been working with.
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You know who's who? I mean, I'm gonna get real
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with you right now.
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Not my computer cost.
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You know, A kid's a kid there. You brought them
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into this world. They're blood and bones and we're just
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we're just working with a family right now that you know,
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the dad drove the drove the kid one hundred miles
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out of town, dropped him off, left him because he
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was different and uh, you know, fifteen years old and
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then two days later the kids dead and oh god,
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and the dad with his dad's a huge advocate now
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for for this kid happened to be uh trans kid.
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And I love this guy. He drives the tractor. He's great,
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you know, he's fish and hunting. Uh, you know, beer
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drinking Papa.
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He said.
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You know, one of the greatest quotes I've heard this
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year is and he goes, you know what, I drive
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to every Walmart in America to buy that kid whatever
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he wanted, whether it's a dress or a pair of pants,
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just to have him back.
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Right. Man, you know you put that for me, right,
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and it doesn't for everyone. But you know, to see uh,
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to see a kid that this may be different. I
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used to work different because there's so there's too many labels.
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Today I'm running You guys are running out of letters. Man,
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I can't say that. I can't do it anymore. You
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guys got to have come up with some sort of
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acronym that actually you can say that word.
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I can't say seventeen year old if you gave me
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the greatest gop of it in my life. You know
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I've said this when I when I go speak, he said.
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He said he's going to high school and then there's
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all these groups for different and very progressive high school.
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And he said he looked at me at Thanksgiving dinner.
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He goes, so, uncle Ty, he knows you're just kind
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of a plaino gay guy.
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You're just a g man.
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You're an o G.
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That's what you're an o G, I.
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Said, Jackson Top said, I said, I said, I waited
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my whole after hear that.
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Thank you. Man, that's a great compliment.
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Uncle Ty. You ain't Q to you and you're an
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old G.
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He said, you're a cowboy. I said, man, you know,
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but I love that, you know, but I don't want
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to get off on that subject.
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But well, it's interesting to look at you, to listen
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to you talk, though, because from an outsider, and you
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and I been friends for probably close to fifteen years
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or more.
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Close Yeah about that, about.
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That, so I've known a lot of things about you.
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That no one else knew from the outside, from from
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the GQ public, you know, the public people, and you
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know you and I were friends when I first I
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want to go back a little bit, uh and talk
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about our history together and then and then move forward.
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But it's interesting to hear.
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To have a conversation with you as an interviewer because
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as I see your life from my Spanish point, it's
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it's very compartmentalized. It's music is half of that, is
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probably more than half of that, just because it's I
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think the music veins drip over into everything else that
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you do. The other part of that is the struggle
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maybe struggles to not not the correct word, but the
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struggle between being gained country music, the addiction, the recovery,
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00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:44.240
the continuous struggle to fight and deal with that. And
491
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:45.960
so it's interesting to me just to listen to you
492
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:49.759
talk how you immediately gravitate towards the latter.
493
00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:52.000
And yeah, it's.
494
00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:56.559
Interesting because I think music is I mean, you you're
495
00:23:56.599 --> 00:23:59.960
literally one of the best singers that I've ever heard.
496
00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:03.400
And and SHAWNA Will Will We'll back me up on that.
497
00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:05.400
And if you just listen to a ty Herndon record
498
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:06.920
and just prove me wrong.
499
00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:09.839
But but you.
500
00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:11.759
Go, but you went right to this other thing, so
501
00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:15.319
I can tell how important, uh, this aspect of life
502
00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:17.759
is to you. And I saw you go through a
503
00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:22.480
couple of different treatment deals and you know, and it
504
00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:24.799
obviously it broke my heart because we love you so much,
505
00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:29.160
and you know.
506
00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:29.160
You look great, man.
507
00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:31.200
You don't look like a sixty year old g you know,
508
00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:37.039
but you know, I just uh, you know, watching what
509
00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:40.279
witnessing on stage and then and then knowing how you
510
00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:42.160
go out on stage and you turn it on completely
511
00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:45.039
where there's no struggle whatsoever, and then as soon as
512
00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.400
you get off stage. Not that I witness this directly,
513
00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:50.519
but there's I know how it is. I know how
514
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:51.880
it is to go on stage and have to turn
515
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:53.839
it on and then come on stage and know that
516
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:55.680
you and your like me and my wife got into
517
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:57.920
a hell of a fight right beforehand, or we're actually
518
00:24:57.960 --> 00:24:59.720
having some problems maritally or whatever else.
519
00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:00.839
But you you have to go on the stage.
520
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.319
You have to pretend like everything's okay, because that's your job,
521
00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:05.119
because you don't want anybody. No one else needs to
522
00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:06.559
know your business, you know, And you always said that
523
00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:07.799
don't even don't know might be business?
524
00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:14.240
So interesting? Did you say that because I used to
525
00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:17.680
have to step into a character. Yeah, I don't have
526
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:18.680
to do that anymore.
527
00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:20.480
I mean, it's so interesting to walk out in front
528
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:24.000
of a crowd now and just be me right. Uh,
529
00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:26.680
you know, I'm not carrying a gay flag out there.
530
00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:28.880
I'm carrying my story in music and just to be
531
00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:30.759
able to have the freedom Shelly rights to the best
532
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:33.119
she goes, she goes when you come home to yourself
533
00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:36.039
and you walk out on the stage, because we part
534
00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:38.160
of myself won half of me if it maybe even
535
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:41.640
more is a musician, and as a musician, you have
536
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:44.359
to be authentic with everything that you do. The most
537
00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:51.400
successful musicians are the authentic musicians. So it took me
538
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:53.240
a long time to come home to that because I
539
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:55.839
had the gift that God gave me and I was
540
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:56.720
doing my best too.
541
00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:59.720
That's the one thing that's never been damaged is to
542
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:00.359
get so.
543
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:01.839
Yeah, it's weird, man.
544
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:04.799
You always sang like you always sang, and you were
545
00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:07.200
doing this stuff and I'm going, man, I have, like,
546
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:09.599
you know, four or five drinks before, I don't sound
547
00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:13.720
like the same keeper. Uh after a pint of jack,
548
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:15.480
you know what I mean? I see it completely different,
549
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:17.559
out of control, and you're just like, I'm dead on
550
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:18.240
it all the time.
551
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.400
I understand it now because of the higher purpose, right,
552
00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:25.359
That's why I probably go there more than I probably
553
00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:30.319
should sometimes. But being a foundation owner foundation for love,
554
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:35.240
acceptance and being a speaker and then turning around and
555
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:39.359
hearing all these stories sometimes they are just a lot, right,
556
00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:41.880
And to be able to speak into that, to be
557
00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:44.400
able to speak love and peace into the worst situation
558
00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:47.880
is a gift that God gave me, and and to
559
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:50.440
be able to do that through music. I mean, you know,
560
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.720
I'm about to unfold with Jacob more of my story
561
00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:55.359
than anyone has ever known.
562
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:58.319
And I you know, it was just like for me
563
00:26:58.359 --> 00:26:59.880
coming out. I had to, you know, I couldn't live
564
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:02.000
in the blood and bones anymore without doing that, right,
565
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:03.279
Why did it have to come out?
566
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:04.839
I'm like, you know, it wasn't. It wasn't for you.
567
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:06.799
It was for me, and it was it was for
568
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:08.759
me to be able to get up every day and
569
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:14.559
feel whole and not live a lie. And so I
570
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:17.640
think living your truth is one of the true answers
571
00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:19.559
to happiness in this life.
572
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:21.640
And sometimes living truth is extremely hard.
573
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:27.119
But I've changed and as I've grown here at almost
574
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:30.799
sixty years old, I am i am more whole and
575
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:33.440
happier than I've ever been in my life. And you know,
576
00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:38.640
I'm single and have great relationships with my former relationships.
577
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.640
And Mama said, you know, you've always chosen wisely. She
578
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:46.240
goes the problems in you, son, and and you know,
579
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:48.400
to be able to hear that kind of truth from
580
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.920
whoever I may be working with, friend, mom, therapists, whatever,
581
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:58.440
and look at that and then yeah, and then being
582
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:03.319
able to sit down and really work through what brought
583
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.920
you to this place is one of the true joys
584
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.359
in my life now. And I can tell you that
585
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:11.119
as a friend.
586
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:14.400
I don't know man.
587
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:17.000
Sitting down with people sometimes now that have seen me
588
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:18.359
in a while, they're like, nice.
589
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.039
To meet you. I'm like, well, it's nice to meet
590
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:22.880
you too.
591
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:23.519
Yeah.
592
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:26.720
And the tie that I know that I'm looking at today,
593
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:28.599
it's kind of been the tie that I've always known.
594
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:32.079
There was a there was some bandmates that that knew
595
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:34.759
the tie before I came along into the band that
596
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.359
saw a different tie, and that was the scary tie
597
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:40.759
that was that.
598
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.720
Everybody. Yeah, and I missed that.
599
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:47.400
I came in on the tail of that, and then
600
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:49.559
I think he went into I think he went into
601
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:51.720
a program like shortly after I joined the band.
602
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:53.279
So I want to explain to.
603
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.640
Everybody the history that we have a little bit, because
604
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:58.599
I don't want to get so sidetracked that you don't understand.
605
00:28:58.880 --> 00:28:59.920
Let's go back to the story.
606
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.359
We care about each other so much so.
607
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:05.839
A long time ago, a guy named Jason Chance was
608
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:07.839
playing with Ty Herndon. He was a guitar player band
609
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.519
leader and they needed a rhythm guitar player that sang
610
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:13.759
and it looked good, and of course they called me,
611
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:18.359
and so I came into the band and I was like, hey,
612
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:20.640
what do you think about having a female singer as well?
613
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:21.599
You know, And you know, I.
614
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.079
Said I could get her to work for cheap, you know,
615
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:25.279
we could, you know, say, I brought my wife into
616
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.680
the mix. So then we have Thompson Square and then
617
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.200
ty Herndon singing together. And man, it was one of
618
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:33.920
the most precious moments in our life, singing wise, because
619
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:38.400
singing with someone where it's just organic and the harmonies
620
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:41.720
fall into place, there's no tuning involved, it's just everyone
621
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.960
knows what they're supposed to be doing, was so freaking fun.
622
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.200
And it was we learned so much at that point
623
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:50.279
because we were very green. We didn't have a record deal.
624
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:52.519
We were trying to get one, but we played with
625
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:53.920
you and your band for.
626
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.559
Probably five years, six years.
627
00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.640
And eventually I was like, we we got to quit,
628
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:02.599
or we're just going to stay here forever. We got
629
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:04.480
to do our own thing. We got to branch out
630
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:06.680
and we gotta fly, you know, And we did. And
631
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:09.720
once we did that, we really uber focused on our
632
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:12.319
career and then the rest is history, as they say,
633
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:14.960
and and and we did really really well. And and
634
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:17.680
you know, it's always been one of those things though,
635
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:19.640
that you go back, go back, and I hear what
636
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.519
mattered most, right, hear one of these songs in the radio.
637
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:23.599
I'm just like, oh, man, yeah, so I'm singing all
638
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:25.359
the parts that don't exist on the records that we
639
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:28.480
made up and the different versions and stuff, and I'm like, okay,
640
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:30.519
this just it was such a It was such a
641
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.559
great time. And Ty used to let us open up
642
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.000
for him and for his shows. He would feature us
643
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.559
all the time, probably more than he should have. And
644
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:41.960
we would be doing radio shows, man, like you were
645
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.079
promoting your single and you were like, hey, guys, I
646
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.160
have this awesome husband and wife duo, you know, Thompson Square.
647
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:50.680
Let them sing a couple of songs in your radio thing.
648
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:51.920
And I'm going, what are you doing?
649
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:55.119
Man? But you were so gracious to do that.
650
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:58.839
And you know, coming from Oklahoma and Alabama, like Sean,
651
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:02.119
we grew up up. You know when in the nineties
652
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:06.720
when you are hot as a firecracker, I mean, to
653
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:09.359
go from listening to you on the radio to be
654
00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:12.079
in your band and becoming friends and to kind of
655
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.400
know you intimately, you know, in that in that way
656
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:17.480
of of of your struggles in your personal life and
657
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:19.400
getting to know your family and all. You know, we
658
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.519
still make the ranch and pepper crackers. Uh, and we
659
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:26.039
still make these. If I was introduced that to your friends,
660
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:27.559
you know, and I'm just that we still we're doing
661
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:31.920
that for Christmas this year thatda thing Swanda, yeah hell yeah.
662
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.599
But you know, your fans became our fans.
663
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:36.839
So when we go to shows now, our fans Salt
664
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:39.359
Lake or wherever we're at, they come out and it's
665
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:41.519
always talking. You know, we always talk about you and stuff.
666
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:44.480
But it was it was such an amazing time for
667
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:49.039
us uh as musicians to to watch you entertain and
668
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:53.079
take a crowd. And and at the time that you were,
669
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:55.960
you know, we talked about this about you coming out
670
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:56.799
if you wanted to come out.
671
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:57.400
Didn't know what, you know.
672
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.799
And I'm curious just because Sewn and I looked around
673
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:02.160
in the day, was like, you know, what, three of
674
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:03.160
our best friends are gay.
675
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:05.559
Who would have thought, you know?
676
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.240
And uh, you know, and it's it's uh, it's one
677
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:10.319
of those things where we never.
678
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:13.480
Even look a look at I know, man, look at this,
679
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:13.839
look at.
680
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:15.839
This nice sweater, you know.
681
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:19.200
But you know, it was one of those things where
682
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.079
we never we never had a thought of caring.
683
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:24.000
I grew up in a town where there were no
684
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:24.559
gay people.
685
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:28.480
There were no any majnorities, nothing. It was just dude,
686
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.359
it was just saltines everywhere you look. Man, there was
687
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:36.240
no diversity. So you know, to go into that and
688
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.200
just you know, fall in love with a person, uh
689
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:43.240
as friends, uh, in a very plutonic way and just go,
690
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:44.839
I like you, you like.
691
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.160
Me, that's it. I don't give a crap what you do.
692
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.079
And outside of that, it was really cool for me, man,
693
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.799
And uh, it was just it was just it was
694
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:55.039
it wasn't a thing. It never was a thing. And
695
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.480
I you know, we talked about it before. And what
696
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:02.319
do you think, Well, without stating the obvious at the
697
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:05.440
time that you were in country music at your at
698
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:09.960
your highest obviously, uh, you were still.
699
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:13.160
Not out right, How did that?
700
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.799
How did that affect your your day to day routine
701
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:20.960
and playing no one hey, knowing that you couldn't be
702
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.759
you could be who you are, but you couldn't really
703
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:26.200
tell everybody else about it. I mean, how hard was
704
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:27.880
that to do on a daily basis?
705
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.480
It turned me into a professional liar man. I mean,
706
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.640
my my entire story was skewed.
707
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.880
And you know, having to have a as we got,
708
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:39.480
I had to buy the grace of God. I had
709
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:42.519
a really when I got my deal at Sony, you know,
710
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:44.920
I got I got married because I was so fearful of.
711
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:46.279
Anyone finding out.
712
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.759
And you know, Sony actually paid for my wedding, and
713
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.119
it was that's that's that's great stories in the book
714
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:57.160
that's coming. But you know, and but then having to
715
00:33:57.279 --> 00:33:59.319
turn around and say, wow, you know, I'm really messing
716
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:00.240
with someone else's life.
717
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:04.799
You're having to having married to a girl, married to.
718
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:08.400
A girl h and twice and uh, you know it's
719
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:09.159
kind of interesting.
720
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:11.280
After the second wife, my mom kind of said, hey, son,
721
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:13.039
you know, let's not get married anymore. You know, you
722
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:14.360
realize you're gay, right, I.
723
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.000
Was like, Mom, back to your room.
724
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.440
But you know, there's there's there's there's comical moments in that,
725
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:25.679
of course. But when I when I get to talk
726
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.239
to kids today, because it's a different town today, you
727
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.639
look at artists like Lily Rose and Brooke Ton who
728
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.559
just came here that way, coming out involved and that
729
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:40.159
are doing great and and One of the true things
730
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.639
that I learned from my story was if someone had
731
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:44.800
told me just to come to town and be a
732
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:48.039
great musician, be a great singer, be treat your talent
733
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:52.719
like you went to Harvard, everything about and be respected
734
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:53.320
for what you do.
735
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:56.639
The rest football in place. I didn't have that. I
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led with. I led with.
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I let the that part of my life becomes so
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big that I could barely do my job. And and
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so that's the greatest gift I get to give to
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the kids that want to come down. I'm like, you know, hey,
741
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.360
don't worry about that. You know, worry about being great
742
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:17.159
at what you do.
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Let that lead. But it was a different time then,
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you know.
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I look at some of my constituents like Shelley Wright
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and Billy Gilman, and.
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TJ and you know, just you know, getting the opportunity
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to be at the top of your game and come
762
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out and.
763
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Have a monument moment on the CMA wars. You get
764
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to say, you know, hey, this is me love my music.
765
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:20.000
Heller right, I'm like, wait a minute, why didn't I
766
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get to do that?
767
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:22.480
You know, I thought about that.
768
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.639
But you know that was that was his moment, And
769
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and that doesn't mean I won't have that moment, you know,
770
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in a different situation. So I truly believe that every
771
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life has the opportunity to build a room that that
772
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.679
is ordained by God or higher power or.
773
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:37.800
Whatever you want to call it.
774
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.559
But today being able to walk into those rooms and
775
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recognize the truth and the authenticity that's in the room,
776
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:45.039
and if it's.
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00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:47.880
Not there, you might want to, you know how, tell
778
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.920
it out of there but to answer your question. It
779
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:56.199
led me to some pretty dark rooms. It led me
780
00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:58.360
to some pretty dark addiction, led me to a lot
781
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.679
of trauma. It led me to a deep drug addiction.
782
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:03.599
It led me to getting arrested, It led me to
783
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:09.960
almost go into prison. It led me to to to
784
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:13.519
some high, high, high level abuse and that a lot
785
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:16.679
of people don't know whether they will know soon. It
786
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:21.320
led me to to death almost twice.
787
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:25.320
To one thing I've never talked about is the attempted
788
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attempted suicides and the.
789
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.559
Moments that I wasn't on this almost wasn't on this earth.
790
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:37.880
It led me to the darkest place ever, to not
791
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wanting to be alive. And I will do everything in
792
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.199
my power. You wonder why I often leave you with this.
793
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:47.000
I'll do everything in my power to make sure that
794
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a person knows.
795
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:52.000
That they don't have to live that way and they
796
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.519
can still have God, they can still have their job,
797
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:56.760
they can still have their careers, they can still have
798
00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:00.320
their family. And it's it's just a course into the
799
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room you build and be damn sure who is helping
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you with the bricks and order.
801
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:11.559
Right, and so yeah you want to contractor yeah, man, I'm.
802
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:13.679
A contractor for my own life. Man, I am, you know,
803
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:15.800
and I'm a son of a bitch about it. But
804
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:18.360
I've earned the right.
805
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:25.280
To be a teacher, a songwriter, an artist. I take it.
806
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:25.960
I'm having a.
807
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:26.440
Lot of fun.
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00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:29.079
I had more fun than I've ever had. But it
809
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.800
got easier because I wasn't. I didn't I didn't carry
810
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:34.639
all this crap with me everywhere I went. I used
811
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.840
to say, I'm dragging around seven trauma bowling balls. I
812
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:41.000
got rid of everyone but one, and that one me balanced.
813
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:44.559
That's the thing about holding on this stuff, man, you're
814
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:45.960
holding on the stuff. You can't let it go.
815
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:52.400
Yeah, I am, let me go.
816
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:56.519
I'm so happy that I get to, you know, coming
817
00:38:56.599 --> 00:39:00.239
up with Jacob. I'm sitting down with a want to
818
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.360
give too much away but a very big magazine and
819
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.880
talking about things people haven't heard.
820
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:08.760
Right, if people don't know about me, And the only
821
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:12.239
reason that I'm unfolding that it is because I know
822
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.960
there's probably a lot of folks out.
823
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:19.559
There like me, and I want to be The lights
824
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came on, you.
825
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:24.320
Know, all the lights, right, not one or two. The
826
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:27.280
darknesses were lit up. And that's when I'll go back
827
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.800
to this, and that's when I was like, oh my god,
828
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.000
who knew you had to learn how to be happy?
829
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It turned out to deliver in that you have to
830
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:41.440
learn behavior, man, because we're programmed not to be a program,
831
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:43.880
society and news and everything else, not to be happy.
832
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:47.079
This this tragedy, this tragedy is trae. No one reports
833
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:51.199
on good news. Let me ask you this, when you
834
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:55.840
started what what? What year did your first single come out?
835
00:39:56.599 --> 00:39:58.760
So nineteen ninety five? Did your label know that you
836
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were gay?
837
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:03.199
They one person did.
838
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:05.559
I didn't feel like I didn't feel like I could
839
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take the deal without at least being I was brave
840
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enough to be a little bit authentic. And and that
841
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.199
was with a dude, this the great Jack Laymer, who's
842
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:24.679
with us right right? And uh, you know, I don't
843
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:26.119
think I ever said it in so many words, but
844
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:28.760
when I got my deal, man you, Margie Hunt flew
845
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out and saw me.
846
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:30.320
I just won Texas.
847
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.880
Entertainer of the Year, right, And that was in ninety four,
848
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:35.800
and Margie Hunt came out, and I've been trying to
849
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:37.719
get it. I mean I was on freaking star search,
850
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:42.079
you know, back in nineteen eighty two, and yeah, sorry
851
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:43.800
Brown got a record bill right out there in the
852
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same year, and uh, you know, I did not, and
853
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:51.199
so it was it was years later before I got
854
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:55.639
a deal. But Margie Hunt said they I was living
855
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.519
in Texas. She said, come, we want to fight in
856
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:03.519
Nashville and meet you know, Doug Johnson, Alan Butler. Margie
857
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:08.559
Hunt was there, chick Leemer and I walked into the room. Okay,
858
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:12.559
when you sing for us, I'm like, I don't really
859
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.000
have a I don't play guitar. I mean I was
860
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:16.760
full and I had the wranglers and the cowboy hat,
861
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:23.599
you know, trying to be someone else, right and uh so,
862
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.519
uh one of the one of the guys think it
863
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.760
was Allen Baller should take take that hat off and
864
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:32.559
just sing for us in the room, and I'm like,
865
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:34.599
I just kind of thought about it. I was like,
866
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.559
this is like church Man, and I never forget I
867
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.440
sag Jack Green, there goes my everything.
868
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:42.960
I pulled my hat off and just belted it out
869
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.599
and and they said okay, thanks and.
870
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:49.880
So typical.
871
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.519
And I was like, okay, well about that, yep.
872
00:41:56.159 --> 00:42:03.679
And the next day, uh, I had met with Joe
873
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:08.320
Diffey's manager and I signed with those guys's management management,
874
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:09.679
and uh, Joe.
875
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:11.840
Joe was always so great to me, man. I think
876
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:14.199
he was very instrumental in me getting the deal actually,
877
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:19.639
and uh, the next day they called said, okay, they're
878
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:24.039
gonna do one song and if one song does well,
879
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:25.719
you get to do a whole album. And that's when
880
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:28.400
Doug Johnson said, I got the song called what Matters Most.
881
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.880
Everybody's had it a whole there's one part of it
882
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:32.840
and nobody's ever able to pull out. Oh my god,
883
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:36.679
what did I do in that song? And I was like,
884
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:38.840
I've been oh my god, what did I do in church?
885
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:42.960
My whole life? Man?
886
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:48.320
It was six months later, short six months, I had
887
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:50.440
a you know, a three week number one.
888
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:55.719
That's crazy. What an amazing piece of work man, that is.
889
00:42:56.400 --> 00:43:02.119
Yeah, but that little song led me to you you know,
890
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:06.360
to to five number one records and twenty six.
891
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:09.480
Singles. But you know, and then I went to I
892
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:11.119
went through some trouble after that. You know.
893
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.920
I actually was addicted to Crystal Math when I got
894
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:18.000
my deal. A lot of people doesn't don't know that,
895
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:22.239
but it was I discovered it in the clubs, uh,
896
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.519
and I carried it through and I was very addicted
897
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:27.440
at the time, and so much of this story is
898
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:28.119
about to be told.
899
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:28.480
But I was.
900
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.400
I think this is this is important to note with
901
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:35.960
what we're talking about. But I am, you know, I
902
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:40.400
my dreams were coming true and I wasn't even present. Wow,
903
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:41.920
nobody home.
904
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:43.199
You missed it?
905
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:45.159
I missed it any way you missed it?
906
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:46.719
Yeah, man, I did.
907
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:49.480
And then all of a sudden, here I am nominated,
908
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.360
you know, for Horizon Awards CMA Song of the Year,
909
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:56.679
which it did win, by the way, Songwriter ascaps on
910
00:43:56.719 --> 00:44:00.920
the Year. And and man, you know, I was so
911
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.079
addicted I ended up getting arrested. I should have gone
912
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:05.360
to prison for thirty years. I had that many drugs
913
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:09.400
on me, but I ended up getting You know, there's
914
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.480
a horrific situation that I ended up getting probation for
915
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:19.360
for five years and and signing a CD for UH
916
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:24.000
for the judge's wife. And and.
917
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:28.119
You're the You are the quintessential.
918
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:31.239
If you looked up dictionary in the and if you
919
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:34.000
looked up addict in the dictionary, you would not see
920
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.320
your freaking face. You were the reason why people don't
921
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.440
need to take this at just face value, because you
922
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.559
do not look like nor have you ever looked like
923
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:45.079
someone who was addicted to crystal meth or strung or
924
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:47.000
missed your missed your dreams coming true.
925
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:48.559
You just you don't.
926
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:51.760
I mean, you're you've always looked you're always you're very handsome.
927
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.079
Yet man, you've always your face has always looked great,
928
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:56.719
your teeth is always looked great, your hair, anything about
929
00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:57.960
you know, I.
930
00:44:57.960 --> 00:44:59.599
Could have two houses what I've gotten these.
931
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:00.920
Yeah, yeah, I mean.
932
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:02.800
You you make Dustin Lynch's teeth look dirty, you know
933
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.760
what I'm saying. I mean, but you know, it's it's
934
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:10.039
weird that that you just don't fit that profile, which
935
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:13.239
means there is no profile. I mean, there's you don't
936
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:14.880
have to look like an addict to be struggling with
937
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.480
those things. And it's just I'm so thankful man that
938
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.159
you that you pulled out.
939
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.519
Of that and and you know, so you know, you know,
940
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:24.360
I heard different stories about different.
941
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:26.679
Artists who were married, who were told not to tell
942
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:28.440
anybody that you were married because we want all the
943
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:30.039
girls to want to sleep with you on stage and
944
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:32.719
all of this stuff. So the label didn't say we
945
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.440
wanted to keep this down and we're going to keep
946
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:36.280
us under wraps. That was was that your decision to
947
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:37.880
kind of keep it down because you were afraid of
948
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:39.960
losing your deal or losing your career.
949
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.000
It's so interesting in this interview that I that I
950
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.880
just did this. I will say this much. I I
951
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:49.920
grew up on a tractor on a farm in Alabama.
952
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:53.960
This is never fits. I never wanted it, right, and
953
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:58.400
you know, and I just it was it was it
954
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.679
was to me. And and I don't feel this way today.
955
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.239
So all of my LGBT family out there, please don't
956
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:06.719
take this wrong. But it was like a cancer to me, right.
957
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.960
I just I wanted it gone. I didn't and so
958
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:12.239
I fought and fought and fought.
959
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:13.760
We talked about that in the past.
960
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:18.480
Yeah, And you know, at the end of the day,
961
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:25.519
you're you're You're. You cannot change the magnificent person that
962
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:29.159
God made you to be. But there's not a manual
963
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:33.400
for that. There's a lot of manuals that say.
964
00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:40.280
That you're damaged. There's a lot of voices that say
965
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:43.320
you're broken, that you're terrible.
966
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:48.320
Not normal, you're not normal, that you're that you're a
967
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.719
walking disease. That I mean the things that I heard
968
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:56.239
that from ten years old, that made me feel like
969
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.960
I was a disgusting kid and all the all the
970
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.679
I mean, I'm a licensed over companion.
971
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:08.519
Now. I've done a lot of work around on arm
972
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:12.639
on the journey for that, and I have gone back
973
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:13.320
so far.
974
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:19.400
Doing some pretty intense work to become a teacher, a
975
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:23.440
better teacher about how far back this can go, how
976
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:27.559
far back as early some people five years old that
977
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:28.400
you are.
978
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:34.039
Printed to be damaged and you carry that into everything
979
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:34.239
you do.
980
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:38.880
So I at fifty eight years old, I started this
981
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:43.719
trauma work and one of my counselors said, I do
982
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:45.679
not know how you've been walking around.
983
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:47.400
And I'm like.
984
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:49.840
Your survivor.
985
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:58.599
Man. It's like, because because of driving that tractor, because
986
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:00.599
of my dad, because of my grandpa, because of my
987
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.480
because of my mama, because of my sister, because of
988
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:08.679
so many people that only saw me as a beautiful,
989
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:12.000
talented young man right that to this day, I'm gonna
990
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:12.639
see me that way.
991
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.000
I can't imagine looking at Cooper and him telling me
992
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:17.920
that he's gay and me driving him one hundred and
993
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:19.639
fifty miles out into the desert and dropping him off.
994
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:24.880
I can't imagine having someone that you've made, you created,
995
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:27.519
that you loved and then all of a sudden you
996
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:31.000
discovered that they have a different sexual orientation, and erasing
997
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:34.079
them from your life. I can't, I just can't imagine.
998
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.920
You know, children are such a gift anyway, you know,
999
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.800
and there's so many children, especially like just for instance,
1000
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:44.440
in this this travesty of this tornado that we just had,
1001
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:48.519
so many little kids, entire families were wiped out the
1002
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.559
face of the earth, and it's like there there, it's
1003
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:55.840
such a precious being a child. And when they're in
1004
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.719
you're saying four or five, six years old, and you're
1005
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:00.920
people are imprinting this stuff all on you. I mean,
1006
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.519
that's the most influential time period in your life. And
1007
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.360
those scars will as you know, and you're living it
1008
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:10.360
every day. Those things were they reside within your life
1009
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:12.880
for the rest of your life. And then you know,
1010
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.800
and you're you're going to be on this journey. You're
1011
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:18.039
you're You've been on a journey every since I've known you,
1012
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:20.599
and I think we should all be on a journey.
1013
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.320
I've been on a journey in my own, but it's
1014
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:27.679
of trying to to deal with the trauma that happened
1015
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:31.239
in the past, imprinted by other people.
1016
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:33.119
The trauma that you've done to.
1017
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:37.639
Yourself and and everything else that all your surroundings, and
1018
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.360
I just it irritates me to no end.
1019
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:43.960
The ignorance of people. Uh, it irritates me.
1020
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:50.679
It's it's it's conditioning, it's programming from years and years ago.
1021
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.280
And this is not I mean, everyone's wanting this to
1022
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:56.079
change overnight. Well, let me tell you something. It's not
1023
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.079
going to change overnight. It takes time. And I will
1024
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:01.360
say this, I do. I I do think a lot
1025
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:04.599
has changed, you know. And and the fact that TJ
1026
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:10.639
came out and these stereotypes of well, you know, so
1027
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:12.760
you're gay, Okay, Well we can't like you as a
1028
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:14.079
country music artist anymore.
1029
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:16.800
I mean, and we've.
1030
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:19.199
Talked about other artists that are that have never come
1031
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.679
out and because of fear of losing their entire audience.
1032
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:23.559
And I don't understand.
1033
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:26.599
Like I was, still there's there's people that I listen
1034
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:28.440
to that I know, damn goodwell.
1035
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.119
Are and some of have come out and some are not.
1036
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:32.760
But I still love that artist and I love their music,
1037
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:34.880
and I don't understand what the hell has to do
1038
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:35.480
with anything.
1039
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:37.159
I just don't understand it.
1040
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:41.000
And you know, I'm as straight as it comes, my
1041
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:47.480
wife as straight as it comes. And yeah, but it's
1042
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:51.800
like I just don't understand. I don't understand the hate
1043
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:57.039
a of hating someone based upon their sexual preference. I
1044
00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:01.960
do understand the frustration that someone who doesn't.
1045
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:07.000
Agree with that, and you have this entity just.
1046
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:11.679
Saying you must accept and support us, you must accept
1047
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:14.880
and support us. That's just not going to happen for
1048
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:16.719
I mean from a lot of people. If you're a
1049
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:20.760
bigot and you're a racist, and you're a homophobe, and
1050
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:24.079
you're a bad piece of crap person, there's no amount
1051
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:27.480
of bumper stickers or anything that's going to change that.
1052
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.320
You're a terrible person and you're always going to be
1053
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:34.280
a terrible person. And I think what I've seen happen
1054
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:39.079
is I think empathy is one of the terms that
1055
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.280
I would probably use is over the last few years, I.
1056
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:45.679
Think with something just like being gay, some things you're
1057
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:46.920
born with and some things you're not.
1058
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:49.519
That's it, man. And I think the empathy though, has
1059
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:50.920
been realized.
1060
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:58.079
Yes, educating and having something happen within your family. You're right,
1061
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:04.599
it is the teacher right, really, you know, I don't
1062
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.159
waste my time trying to change somebody's mind.
1063
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:10.639
You can look into somebody's eyes and that's something mine
1064
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:12.800
is going to have to happen to that. Yeah, that
1065
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:14.320
per because it's shut down.
1066
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:16.960
Yep, So cut them out. That's it, you're out. That's
1067
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:20.039
what we do. It's just negative people that I don't
1068
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:21.880
want to be around. They're just gone.
1069
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.239
You know. It's it's right.
1070
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:26.920
You know, some people have gone and it's like the
1071
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.280
book The Shack, the movie The Shock. If you've seen them,
1072
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:31.039
you know, you don't know what's happened to that person.
1073
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:33.639
They got them to that point, so I have to
1074
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:36.880
love them anyway. And I just went through some horror,
1075
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:39.199
some E M d R. A lot of work. There's
1076
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:40.519
some bad things that happened to me.
1077
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:42.559
And on the other side of it, the only thing
1078
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.639
to set me free from it all was going back
1079
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.559
to those rooms, to the moment and finding and going
1080
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:51.400
I forgive you.
1081
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.000
You no longer have a place in my heart and
1082
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:58.480
my life and my space. And getting to that place
1083
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:02.320
at fifty nine years old, it's the biggest miracle I
1084
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:03.880
ever could have given myself. And I didn't think I'd
1085
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:06.199
get there. I really did not. I did.
1086
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:08.599
I did the work and my mama has texted me
1087
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:11.440
that her heart monitors going off three times.
1088
00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:13.960
I may have to I may have to leave you.
1089
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:16.320
Well, that's totally that's understandable.
1090
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:20.840
Yes, and I it's not too bad. So don't don't
1091
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:23.840
panic anyone. Okay, I have to go. I have to
1092
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:27.440
go take care of her. But can we continue?
1093
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.320
We can? Can we have a Can we have a
1094
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:32.639
pause here and have an intermission?
1095
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:33.880
Yes?
1096
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:42.840
And then uh and then in about probably about four weeks.
1097
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:42.119
I really want to talk to you about a lot
1098
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:42.760
of other stuff.
1099
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:44.800
So, well, you need to come out to the cabin.
1100
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:47.599
I will the next conversation. I will, we won't be
1101
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:50.760
will be in person. Yeah, music as well.
1102
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:54.440
Love to see. We'll play some music and have some fun. Well, listen,
1103
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.199
go take care of mom. I'll pause this, give her
1104
00:53:58.239 --> 00:53:59.559
our love and uh, and.
1105
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:03.199
We'll continue to get that beautiful rock yours a kiss
1106
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:03.440
from me.
1107
00:54:03.639 --> 00:54:05.480
I will not sing. That'd be weird.
1108
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:08.719
We just give it one right here, no time, no
1109
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:12.519
tongue or anything. All right, but I talked to you,
1110
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:14.320
let's talk to let's talk see we'll finish this up.
1111
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:16.760
Yeah, man, I enjoyed.
1112
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:26.280
It all right, Peggy here, so uh yeah, So that
1113
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:29.039
that's this is live, everybody, so listen, this is what
1114
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:31.880
we're gonna do. I'm going to shut it down for
1115
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:35.920
right now, and then we will continue when we find
1116
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:39.480
out that Miss Peggy is good as gold, which I'm
1117
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:43.039
sure she is. Y'all say a prayer for miss Peggy.
1118
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.840
She is a wonderful, wonderful woman and human being, great
1119
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:49.000
mother and wife, just just just an amazing individual. So
1120
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:51.639
let's all see a prayer for Miss Peggy and her heart.
1121
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:53.960
Marten is going off, but I've been around that in
1122
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:55.760
my family, so I know exactly what it is. And
1123
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:59.840
tis being the good son by going and checking on mama.
1124
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:03.679
So we will we will continue shortly.
1125
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:07.559
All right, So this is uh, this is part two.
1126
00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:11.760
We have tie back with this.
1127
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:16.440
So so, man, what I left all that stuff in there?
1128
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:19.280
So what was it deal with Miss Peggy's heart monitor?
1129
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:20.000
What happened?
1130
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:21.119
Okay?
1131
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:24.760
Yes, you know she she's very private about her business.
1132
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:25.559
So that's Peggy.
1133
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:32.440
Yeah, she had a with her permission, she had a
1134
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:34.639
pacemaker put in last year.
1135
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.079
She's really healthy. I mean, you know, the woman still
1136
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:40.599
she's eighty one years old and running around in her stilettos.
1137
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:45.480
You know, we're playing Laughlin, Nevada, which that that gig
1138
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:47.760
is so fun. We I guess the only reason we
1139
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:49.760
still do it is because it's five days of family
1140
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:50.760
and friends coming in.
1141
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:52.199
I remember Laughlin.
1142
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:55.280
Yeah, it's just it's still Ye. We hadn't played it,
1143
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:56.760
I guess probably about three years.
1144
00:55:56.760 --> 00:56:00.639
So I agreed to do it this year because it's
1145
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:05.119
a lot of fun anyway. But but Mom and and
1146
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:09.280
uh and Wanda and you know, we'll be Monta Saint
1147
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:13.199
Greta this year. So yeah, she's gone. She's gone onto
1148
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.559
the great stilettos in the sky.
1149
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:16.559
I hate that, man.
1150
00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:17.920
Man.
1151
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:22.000
You know, it's been really scary because she in her heart.
1152
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:24.599
Heart disease runs in my mom's family. But Moms, she's
1153
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:25.159
on top of it.
1154
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:28.559
She really is. She's she's got the got this cool.
1155
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:29.760
I don't know if it's new or not.
1156
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:34.639
It's new for us, but there's a monitor that goes
1157
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:38.440
off if something is not going well, just out of rim.
1158
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:42.519
So it was happening quite a bit and we just
1159
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.960
got her back into heart specialists and there's just this
1160
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:49.639
minor adjustment then you know it just from what I understand,
1161
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:52.400
just you know, just just kind of shocks it back
1162
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:53.360
into where it needs to be.
1163
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.360
And yeah, Seana's dad has yet.
1164
00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:59.719
Okay, she's she's back in the She's back in her stilettos.
1165
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:03.079
So I missed her so much.
1166
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:04.960
I haven't seen her in God, it's been years, man,
1167
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:05.920
since I've seen Miss Peggy.
1168
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:09.400
Oh she's she hadn't changed a bit. But I.
1169
00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:14.760
Told her the other day, I said, you, so, she's
1170
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:18.159
in a new hany place because because of the hard stuff.
1171
00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:20.519
To make a long story very short, there was actually
1172
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:22.880
ninety steps to get up to her front door, and
1173
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.599
then inside her house there was there's, you know, fifteen steps.
1174
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:29.760
So we got her ordered her one of those little
1175
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:30.519
lift things.
1176
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:31.800
Oh yeah, I know, you told me.
1177
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:33.679
Yeah, yeah, we talked about this.
1178
00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:35.880
We talked about the lift. She got piss stuff about.
1179
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:39.400
He said, I wouldn't even put my beer in that.
1180
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:40.159
That's so funny.
1181
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:44.800
It's funny because we started this podcast what two weeks ago? Yeah,
1182
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:49.760
and then we got interrupted from a from a concerned son,
1183
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:53.039
a good son and shut it down to go check
1184
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:53.559
on his mom.
1185
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:55.199
And I love that. Man, that's so cool.
1186
00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:57.800
We'll wrap that up. She's doing great. She's in a
1187
00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:00.400
new house, and she she seems to be a master
1188
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:01.079
these days.
1189
00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:04.480
That's so great man.
1190
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:06.519
Well, listen, man, I know we talked about a lot
1191
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.599
of stuff and I had a few a few things.
1192
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:11.159
This is kind of odd to go back and try
1193
00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:14.920
to to rehash what we talked about and not over overlap.
1194
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:19.119
But you know a couple of things that, uh, I
1195
00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:21.000
want to talk about the new music first of all,
1196
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:24.000
so I know, I know, I just saw an Instagram
1197
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.800
post of you singing in the studio, uh, a song
1198
00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:30.719
called Hallelujah and it sounds do you sound killer?
1199
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:30.960
Man?
1200
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:33.440
So what's what's the what's the deal with the new
1201
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:34.679
record and when's it coming out?
1202
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:35.480
And all that?
1203
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:40.639
Well, you know, in about three weeks I think I
1204
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:44.199
looked today, you know, we're announcing that the uh, the
1205
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:46.519
signing of the new record deal, which you know is
1206
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:49.000
is for me. You know, I've been doing this a
1207
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:52.039
long time and kind of gotten used to doing things independently.
1208
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:55.440
But something came along that was it was a perfect
1209
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:57.599
platform for me to tell my story, right and really
1210
00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.480
for me these days, where.
1211
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.480
I'm my mind is where I'm writing. You know, I'm
1212
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:06.880
a I worked with a lot of sobriety situations and
1213
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.199
I've pretty much been down some pretty tough roads and
1214
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:13.400
actually having an opportunity for all my scars and all
1215
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.800
the stuff that I've run from my entire life to
1216
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:19.679
take center stage and actually be the star of the
1217
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:23.039
show is a mind blowing thing.
1218
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:29.079
So it's been a true pleasure to write this music.
1219
00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:32.119
But it's really an album about The album's called Jacob,
1220
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:34.719
which is no secret. It's it's it's and there's not
1221
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:36.920
a song. It's just from one of my favorite places
1222
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:38.840
in the Bible, just you know, where you can take
1223
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:41.480
your scars and they've become your healer and it's all
1224
00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:45.920
about changing your ending. And and I've won this last year,
1225
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:48.719
really last year. You know, it's been a long time,
1226
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:54.760
but really jumped into some major recovery since since COVID.
1227
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:57.360
It had my own challenges, and I'll be thinking about
1228
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:00.519
that for the first time. I'm sitting down with some
1229
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:03.599
some pretty big news outlets coming up just to just
1230
01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:06.440
to talk about my journey with that, which I share
1231
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:07.599
a lot of my story with.
1232
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:11.239
You know, I don't I don't sit individually in my story.
1233
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:14.800
I'm sitting there with you know, the entire music industry
1234
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:18.719
pretty much and and others. Everyone has their own story
1235
01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:21.519
through this, but UH. For me, it was.
1236
01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:26.639
You know, having to kind of change my ending for
1237
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:29.800
the for the fifth time was it was a lot, right,
1238
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:35.199
and I had some things going on up here that
1239
01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:38.360
just weren't healthy, and having the opportunity to go kind
1240
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:41.119
of fix that and then take a really good look
1241
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:44.760
and you and I will talk again once this once
1242
01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:47.199
this all I think we talked about this.
1243
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:49.679
Let's sit down, and you know you're my friend and
1244
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:51.199
you were there for.
1245
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:54.599
A lot of this, and and then there's just a
1246
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:59.880
lot that I've never shared with any that is the
1247
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:05.400
those those through the power of of working with some
1248
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:09.719
great UH counselors and therapists and and doing some stuff,
1249
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:13.719
you know, trauma work basically and having an opportunity to
1250
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:15.079
do some really cool stuff like E. M.
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01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:15.440
D R.
1252
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:17.760
And if you don't know what that is, it's basically
1253
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.159
just able to go back and it's it's a situation
1254
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:23.159
where you almost get hypnotized and you get to go
1255
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:28.199
back and kind of really be back in the moment
1256
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:30.599
and figure out what what the.
1257
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:33.880
Scars are for you and what the trauma is. Look,
1258
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:36.920
take a really close look at it, right, so that
1259
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:39.880
you can clean that slate and and and get it
1260
01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:41.360
out of you and no longer have to deal with
1261
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:42.960
it and know that it's a part of your past,
1262
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:44.960
and the past is where it belongs to. What do
1263
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:45.559
you what?
1264
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:47.119
What are you going to do to change the ending
1265
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:49.639
of that that it works for you and not against you.
1266
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.159
Let me let me ask you this, man, is it
1267
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:55.800
helpful or or or hurtful in a certain in a
1268
01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:59.880
certain sense to keep talking about this.
1269
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:03.599
Yes, you walk back into the worst pain you've ever
1270
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:07.360
felt so that you can be free of it. If
1271
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:10.760
you're still suffering, for I say this to when I
1272
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:13.679
go speak, if there's something that's still in the forefront
1273
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.679
that's making decisions for you, If you won't walk into
1274
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:19.280
a situation because you're fearful of something that's happening in
1275
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:23.800
the past, that it's gonna block you from your future,
1276
01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:27.679
then you have a responsibility to your own mental health
1277
01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:30.159
to go back and figure out what that is. Because
1278
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:33.519
if it's blocking you today, it's keeping you from your dreams,
1279
01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:36.519
it's keeping you from your future, and you're stuck. So
1280
01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:38.159
I found in a lot of ways through this I
1281
01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:40.920
was really stuck, and I didn't want to be stuck anymore.
1282
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:43.239
So, Uh, there were some rooms I had to go
1283
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:47.440
back and revisits that were extremely difficult to walk back into, uh,
1284
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:51.000
thinking and screaming difficult, But I knew that I had
1285
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:51.599
to do it for me.
1286
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:57.800
And it's been the most freedom that I've ever gifted
1287
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.760
myself ever. And I didn't do it myself, but it
1288
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:03.760
also opened up a channel of truth in me that
1289
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:06.559
I was able to tell my story not only through music,
1290
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:09.760
but hey, man, I'm in this world of recovery. If you,
1291
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:12.320
if you, if you can't be as authentic as you
1292
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:14.400
possibly can be with your story and where you've been,
1293
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:17.440
then you know there's only a limit to what you
1294
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:20.920
can do to help. And I don't like limitations anymore.
1295
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:23.760
It's not it's not in my not in my personal dictionary.
1296
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:27.480
So can I ask you a weird question that you've
1297
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:28.559
probably never been asked?
1298
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:30.880
You always do and.
1299
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:33.199
I just I just thought about this man, and you know,
1300
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:35.239
and I don't want you to misconstrue what I'm going
1301
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.719
to say, because this is not meant to be offensive
1302
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:40.480
in any any way whatsoever.
1303
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:43.119
The struggles that.
1304
01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:48.679
You have and you have had with having to basically
1305
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:51.679
live a lie for for many aspects of your life,
1306
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:54.760
many years of your life, to the addiction and everything else.
1307
01:03:56.519 --> 01:04:01.199
If ty Hernan's not gay, is it this trajectory for you.
1308
01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:05.320
Or would it have been a completely different question.
1309
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:11.199
I think my dream of what my life would be
1310
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:14.719
I used to think was completely different.
1311
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:21.159
But once I had moved in and I live here now, fully,
1312
01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:25.199
I don't know how different it would be, because, you know,
1313
01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:27.440
I look back, people say, well, this hadn't happened to me,
1314
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:33.400
I'd be this monstrous personality or this this big story.
1315
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.039
But when you go back and take a look at it,
1316
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:38.320
there are a lot of variables that might have happened
1317
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:40.880
that you're get to land exactly where you were. Yeah,
1318
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.679
you know, there's no guarantee for me, say, I used
1319
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:46.280
to think, wow, you know, I used to hear people say, man,
1320
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:49.920
you know, if you hadn't had these things happen to you,
1321
01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:52.239
if you hadn't been addicted to drugs, you would have
1322
01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:55.079
the heard it ten times, you know, ten million times.
1323
01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:58.639
You man, you were on path of the Garth Brooks career, right,
1324
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:01.440
you know. And I take a look back at that
1325
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:02.239
and now I'm like, well.
1326
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:05.800
That was that was his room, and that's the thing. Man,
1327
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:08.119
It's like I could have could.
1328
01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:10.960
Have had a promotion team for the radio that that
1329
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:12.559
dropped the ball in the next ten singles.
1330
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:15.559
I could have had. You know, there's so many trajectories
1331
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:18.519
that would have said no, you know, I could have.
1332
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:22.280
I could have been in a car crash and been
1333
01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:23.719
in a coma and then come back out of it
1334
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:26.159
and then had a I mean, there's so many things.
1335
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:29.320
That you just can't ask that question, can You can't?
1336
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:34.400
No? So your path is your path. And I finally
1337
01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:38.360
landed in a place after this last almost two years
1338
01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:42.079
of my life that I've been beautifully gifted exactly where
1339
01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.559
I'm at. And you know, I was I was called
1340
01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:47.960
to be that that that Pentacostal Tabernacle preacher when I
1341
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:50.039
was when I was I was ten years old.
1342
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:51.840
But some things I've gone all the way back. Something
1343
01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:53.719
has happened to that ten year old that would that
1344
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.679
changed right and on a different path. And today I'm
1345
01:05:57.719 --> 01:06:01.760
standing exactly I am that whatever I was when I
1346
01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:03.960
was called to preach and teach, I'm doing it today
1347
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:06.280
bigger and better and louder than ever.
1348
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:13.079
But I'm doing it from a very educated place in me.
1349
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:16.920
And I think the older you get, and you don't
1350
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:21.199
get this until you have a few years under your belt.
1351
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:27.920
And I don't think the destination is the meaning of life.
1352
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:30.920
I think it is the journey that is the meaning
1353
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.480
of life, and how you get there and all the
1354
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:35.880
things that happened along the way, whether it's bad or good,
1355
01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:40.239
it is it is your path. There's a book called
1356
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:42.920
The Alchemist that kind of explained this in a really,
1357
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:43.599
really cool way.
1358
01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:46.519
But you should check that out. It's a really it's
1359
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:47.000
a classic.
1360
01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:49.960
But you know, I haven't learned. I haven't learned to
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01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:50.760
read yet. Yeah.
1362
01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:57.440
Yeah, well you you're from South Amabama, so I did
1363
01:06:57.480 --> 01:06:58.000
for a while.
1364
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:01.400
Yeah, I've got a few weird I got a few
1365
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:04.000
weird questions too that I've I've been asked from different
1366
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:07.280
friends or whatever. And obviously I can't relate to to
1367
01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:12.199
certain things. But during the process, because we we send,
1368
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:14.239
we start on music, and we always come back to this.
1369
01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:17.840
And I still and I said this in the first
1370
01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:21.039
part of our interview, where it seems like you always
1371
01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:25.920
come back to the life, the recovery, the the life
1372
01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:27.920
stuff that means more. And that just tells me that
1373
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:31.440
life means more to you than music. Life means more
1374
01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:34.119
to you than than being gay. Life means more to
1375
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:35.960
you than all these It's a it's a sum of
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01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:37.679
all those things.
1377
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:39.159
Yeah, you know what I mean?
1378
01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:44.000
Yeah, how im? What is the deal?
1379
01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:49.000
And this is just my ignorance. And it's probably different
1380
01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:52.199
now just because we where we are as a society.
1381
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:56.480
But the inclination to feel like you have to announce
1382
01:07:57.679 --> 01:07:59.280
I'm coming out?
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01:07:59.559 --> 01:07:59.840
M hm.
1384
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:03.320
Can you expl Can you explain that to a straight person?
1385
01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:05.519
You don't anymore? Pretty much.
1386
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:09.239
We've got artists, you know, like Lily Rose and Brooke
1387
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:12.000
Eden and some folks that are coming up the pike
1388
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:14.320
that just they you know, I said this a million times,
1389
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:17.640
even seven years ago, eight years ago, I said, you know,
1390
01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:19.359
there's you don't need to come out.
1391
01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:22.399
I said, just come to town and like just be
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01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:24.079
h k yourself.
1393
01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:26.640
Be the best songwriter, be the best singer, spend your
1394
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.079
time like this career was was.
1395
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:31.600
You're a Harvard graduate, and tell your story.
1396
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:36.279
Through music and and the rest will will fall into place.
1397
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:38.000
Now for guys like me from the Nights, they've had
1398
01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:39.960
some stories that had some history.
1399
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:43.039
It was very important. It was very important for me
1400
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:46.960
to make that announcement so the world would know that
1401
01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:52.199
I had a secret, and that secret was poison and
1402
01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:56.680
caused me a lot of problems, caused me to go
1403
01:08:56.760 --> 01:08:58.640
into some rooms in my life that I probably would
1404
01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:00.680
not have gone into if I could be my most
1405
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:03.079
authentic self. And you know, just look at it this
1406
01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:05.399
way too. Someone asked me if there was if you
1407
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:06.239
asked me if there.
1408
01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:08.279
Was a button ten years ago I could push and
1409
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:12.279
then I wouldn't be gay. And I said absolutely yes,
1410
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:15.119
because life would have been so much easier. Asked me
1411
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.079
that question today, and I would say, fuck no, I
1412
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:20.159
did push that, absolutely not. It's I'm standing right where
1413
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:21.560
I need to be in my life, and I am
1414
01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:23.840
made divinely the way that I was supposed to be.
1415
01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:26.079
And I understand that because.
1416
01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:28.279
We'd come a long way as a society.
1417
01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:30.680
Well we haven't. Even if we hadn't, you know, I
1418
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:36.079
would I would still be as as a guy who's
1419
01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:38.840
just I'm a God guy, you know, And and a
1420
01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:40.800
lot of kids struggled with that would being gay in God?
1421
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:43.119
And that's a conversation we probably don't have time to
1422
01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:46.279
get into today. But what I what I there's there's a.
1423
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:48.640
Great book that Matthew Vines really called God and the
1424
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:54.279
Gay Christian and man, he just so exquisitely and gracefully
1425
01:09:54.680 --> 01:09:55.960
answers a lot of questions.
1426
01:09:56.279 --> 01:09:58.680
And so you know, I've seen some of my own
1427
01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:02.960
family members go oh okay, and it's it's just a
1428
01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:09.680
great book. But I have this responsibility to have a
1429
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:14.199
foundation for kids. And and when you see the light
1430
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.800
come on in a kid's eyes, just going, hey, you're
1431
01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:20.800
not broken, kiddo. You know have amy want in this life.
1432
01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:24.199
And guess what if if if if.
1433
01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:27.199
Your family doesn't love you, you have the opportunity to create
1434
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:32.319
another family. And it's it's really difficult conversation to have
1435
01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:36.319
with a kid. But you know, there's there's just there's
1436
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:40.520
just so many willing hugs out there from from great
1437
01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:44.720
organizations like Trevor Project, like Human Rights just there's you know,
1438
01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:47.319
it just gets bigger, bigger than we are.
1439
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:51.399
And what it comes down to, it's really simple. It
1440
01:10:51.439 --> 01:10:53.479
comes down to love. It's just it's a it's a
1441
01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:57.239
four letter word and and and just and outs of
1442
01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:00.399
that and understanding can save a kid's because they have
1443
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:02.439
a grown up's life. You know, hell, save my life.
1444
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:05.760
But what what is it? What is it about.
1445
01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:12.159
Also dealing with this this this really huge thing that
1446
01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:15.920
we are victims of what we're taught, what we grow
1447
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:20.039
up with, what our grandmothers believed, what our grandfathers believe,
1448
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:24.800
and we are as educated as where we are. And
1449
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:28.920
it's it's I have great patience when I'm sitting down
1450
01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:31.199
with I want to argue. I never argue.
1451
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:33.439
I'm just like, I really want to hear why you
1452
01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:35.960
think that and where you are with that, and then
1453
01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:37.680
I want to take some time and think about it.
1454
01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:39.359
And I'm not going to tell you you're right or
1455
01:11:39.399 --> 01:11:41.319
you're wrong, because it's not my place to do that.
1456
01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:44.239
But I can tell you that if you can't look
1457
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:47.199
at me from where I'm sitting right here and see
1458
01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:53.479
spirituality and light and goodness in God in this face, then.
1459
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:56.159
I don't have a mask to take off for you.
1460
01:11:57.119 --> 01:11:58.960
And that's and that's and that's what I'm saying.
1461
01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:01.600
It's like with these kids, and and we had some
1462
01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:06.279
kids in school that that were gay, and I don't remember.
1463
01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:09.680
I mean, I know there's some kids who would make
1464
01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:12.239
fun of them, uh and then and then some of
1465
01:12:12.279 --> 01:12:15.000
us would stick up for them and and all this stuff.
1466
01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:19.039
But I just at this I'm just never really quite
1467
01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:22.439
understood how you can just look at another human being
1468
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:26.199
that's different than you and say that it's bad or wrong,
1469
01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:28.960
whether you agree with it or not, whether you agree
1470
01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:32.159
with the lifestyle or not. It's you have a human
1471
01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:35.600
being in front of you, and either they're a good
1472
01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:37.720
person or a bad person. I mean, there's a lot
1473
01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:40.159
of people that I don't like. There's a lot of
1474
01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:41.920
gay people I don't like. There's a lot of white
1475
01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:43.720
people I don't like. There's a lot of black people
1476
01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:46.479
I don't because they're bad people. But there's also the
1477
01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:48.159
flip side of that where some of some of my
1478
01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:52.840
best friends and and uh are are in various minorities,
1479
01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:54.039
and you know.
1480
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.720
That harder and harder with where we where we're at today.
1481
01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:58.680
But I think, but but don't you think that?
1482
01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:02.800
Because I think parents now are teaching their kids to
1483
01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:06.720
be more accepting of different lifestyles and the different ethnicities
1484
01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:10.920
and different viewpoints. That's this is a generational thing that's
1485
01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:13.000
not going to happen overnight. But I think we've come
1486
01:13:13.079 --> 01:13:16.840
miles and miles and we're teaching our kid I don't
1487
01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:20.399
ever want to hear you say that you're better than
1488
01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:23.840
because there's kids of all ethnicity ethnicities, and it's so
1489
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:26.600
hard to say ethnicity is in his in his school,
1490
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:30.279
in his class. I know, I can't spell nothing, man,
1491
01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:34.920
but you know, you know there's a difference too between them.
1492
01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:38.159
So you you're you're involved with love and acceptance, and
1493
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:40.239
I'd like, what is it, like?
1494
01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:43.479
What do you are you looking for? I think this
1495
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:44.399
is a gay community.
1496
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:47.159
Love obviously is a big part of that, you know,
1497
01:13:47.239 --> 01:13:48.920
And I've seen a lot of hate on the on
1498
01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:52.479
on that side, projected against other groups as well. No
1499
01:13:52.520 --> 01:13:55.720
one's innocent, not no one's one hundred percent innocent, and like,
1500
01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:56.279
oh no, we.
1501
01:13:56.239 --> 01:13:57.840
Love everybody because that's just bs.
1502
01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:00.520
I don't don't. I don't believe that. But love, an
1503
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:03.760
acceptance and support? How are those so different? So I
1504
01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:08.720
can accept you, But I feel like I feel like
1505
01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:10.880
some of the people that I know, have I've come
1506
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:15.720
in contact with, don't want acceptance, they want support. And
1507
01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:18.439
I don't think that you're going to get support. No
1508
01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:20.600
one's going to get one hundred percent support from any
1509
01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:25.760
any certain cross section of American culture. But you can
1510
01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:29.119
certainly get acceptance. I can accept you for being a
1511
01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:31.920
great person and a friend, and hey, come over, We're
1512
01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:32.319
going to have.
1513
01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:33.359
Dinner and drink some wine.
1514
01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:36.279
And play some pool and whatever, shoot some guns or
1515
01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:39.199
whatever you want to do. But you know, it's just
1516
01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:42.079
like there's so many things out there that are screaming
1517
01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:42.720
support me.
1518
01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:46.399
Support such a big answer, man, I can. I can
1519
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:52.279
support a lot of things, you know, I can. It
1520
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:57.000
comes down to almost tribes, right, Okay, you're in my tribe,
1521
01:14:57.159 --> 01:14:59.359
and you gotta believe that I believe. It's like a denomination.
1522
01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:02.119
And if you don't believe this, you know, take the
1523
01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:04.399
whole church thing out of it, then then I'm going
1524
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:06.680
to condemn you. And you know you can't play my
1525
01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:11.640
reindeer games. It gets it just gets huge, and we all,
1526
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:16.319
we all have opinions, we all have beliefs, and even
1527
01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:19.079
within my community, you know. And hey man, I'm also
1528
01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:21.359
the you know, I'm I'm I'm also this little kid
1529
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:23.520
who grew up you know, South Alabama hunting and fishing,
1530
01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:26.479
and I am.
1531
01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:31.520
I'm still that dude. And I was just as guilty
1532
01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:35.359
of growing up, you know, of judging someone for for
1533
01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:36.960
for being gay because I didn't understand it.
1534
01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:39.359
It's like, you know, oh my gosh, you know, I
1535
01:15:39.439 --> 01:15:44.119
never was mean to anyone, but didn't run towards that
1536
01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:47.479
tribe and I liked the tribe I was in right,
1537
01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:49.720
and this this fit me better, and this is where
1538
01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:56.720
happy and and there's God. There's a billion tribes out there.
1539
01:15:57.359 --> 01:16:01.720
We're not ever going to understand each other. But I
1540
01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:03.960
think the one thing that I look for and all
1541
01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:07.960
that is is your humanity and and and and how
1542
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:12.680
you treat another human being and.
1543
01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:13.479
And how do you help another human being change their ending?
1544
01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:15.239
Look through God's eyes? You know?
1545
01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:16.479
Yes?
1546
01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:20.560
And I you know, I am so far from a
1547
01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:28.159
a a a teacher that would I'd have to educate
1548
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:31.079
myself in so many areas alive that I could even
1549
01:16:31.079 --> 01:16:32.920
be as smart as my therapist that I'm seeing today,
1550
01:16:33.159 --> 01:16:37.600
you know. But I have a platform of music, and
1551
01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:45.600
I have the most authentic group of words that came
1552
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:47.920
out of me. There's only you know, seven writers on
1553
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:51.279
this album because they all have had something to do
1554
01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:55.359
with mental health, sobriety.
1555
01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:59.239
And changing their own endings. And that was very.
1556
01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:04.880
Important for me and the stories to do it a
1557
01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:07.399
triple triple album project.
1558
01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:12.880
But that is my room that I that I have
1559
01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:17.359
a sacred as my sponsor said, you have a sacred, secret,
1560
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:20.439
amazing room that you can build. And you know, I've
1561
01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:22.479
been building a town for a long time. You know,
1562
01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:24.239
I do a lot of analogies when it comes to
1563
01:17:24.279 --> 01:17:29.399
this recovery. We all every every brick. I'm really careful
1564
01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:31.560
what goes into that brick and mortar before I put
1565
01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:34.680
it in place. And I think this goes back to
1566
01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:37.600
to all of us as we're building our lives.
1567
01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:41.079
You have to have a room that is full of
1568
01:17:41.239 --> 01:17:44.279
understanding and patients for others. And I have to visit
1569
01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:46.520
that room and I have to go, Okay, what's going
1570
01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:47.319
on here?
1571
01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:52.159
What am I going to learn? Number One? Because if
1572
01:17:52.199 --> 01:17:54.479
I'm not going to learn something from this, and then
1573
01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:55.600
it's just trash to me.
1574
01:17:56.239 --> 01:17:58.840
And then I also have a have a trash bind
1575
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:02.720
and I'm real careful of what goes in the trash
1576
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:05.439
because that's that's.
1577
01:18:06.279 --> 01:18:08.560
I never want to throw anyone away. I don't want
1578
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:11.399
to be thrown away. But I also look at at
1579
01:18:11.479 --> 01:18:18.560
the education of of the situation. Because we can run
1580
01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:21.119
in circles and argue and fight and and and just
1581
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:23.479
and just pee all over each other and and and
1582
01:18:23.479 --> 01:18:26.720
and hurt each other. There's there's I haven't I have
1583
01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:31.479
no place in that right And so I'm really really
1584
01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:33.880
good at assessing the situation. And I love that you
1585
01:18:33.920 --> 01:18:39.960
said this because we we we we can't win this.
1586
01:18:40.119 --> 01:18:46.680
There's no winning anymore, there's not. And but what works
1587
01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:50.119
for the big umbrella of humanity? How are we? How
1588
01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:52.359
are we going to take this awful situation.
1589
01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:56.399
And and and and make our children.
1590
01:18:57.560 --> 01:18:59.960
Not have to go through this again? And I don't
1591
01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:02.800
we think enough about that. I think we think that
1592
01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:04.760
we got to win right now in this moment where
1593
01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:08.560
there's an election, whether it's whatever the political hot seat
1594
01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:11.920
is of the moment. But forget that. I don't have kids,
1595
01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:15.319
but I have I also have a million kids. Right
1596
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:20.600
they're watching and your dad, but they are watching.
1597
01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:23.880
Yeah, I know that you are making sure that what
1598
01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:28.880
goes into those bricks as a father, it's.
1599
01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:29.760
Good stuff, you know.
1600
01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:32.359
And I wrote a song. I wrote a song about that.
1601
01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:34.359
I think we're gonna put on the record.
1602
01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:36.640
It's got a couple of lines and there says every
1603
01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:38.479
move I make, I know he's watching, So I keep
1604
01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:39.640
watching every move I make.
1605
01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:43.479
Yeah, man, you know, And you know.
1606
01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:46.680
And that's it's interesting that you use the word tribe,
1607
01:19:46.760 --> 01:19:48.720
because I think that's what we are. I think we
1608
01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:52.319
are tribes, and I think we all gravitate toward uh,
1609
01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:57.000
we gravitate toward like minded people. And you know when
1610
01:19:57.000 --> 01:19:58.560
you go when you say tribe, you go back to
1611
01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:02.319
the Native Americans when they populated this continent solely, they
1612
01:20:02.439 --> 01:20:04.640
killed each other like crazy because they were in tribes.
1613
01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:07.600
They were fighting. This is humanity. This is not something
1614
01:20:07.640 --> 01:20:08.079
that's going to.
1615
01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:10.920
Ever go away. This isn't It would always exist.
1616
01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:14.079
So I'm going to kill you. You know, you're taking
1617
01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:16.079
something in mind that belongs to be someone to kill you.
1618
01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:19.199
Yeah, or I don't agree with what God you choose
1619
01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:22.479
or what who you who you love or whatever else,
1620
01:20:22.520 --> 01:20:23.000
So I'm going.
1621
01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:24.119
To kill you.
1622
01:20:24.119 --> 01:20:24.319
You know.
1623
01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:27.760
I think what's the problem right The problem right now,
1624
01:20:27.800 --> 01:20:31.840
I think with everything is that people there's certain people
1625
01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:36.760
in power or certain people in society that think that
1626
01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:40.920
we have the ability as human beings to completely abolish
1627
01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:46.279
this behavior and mindset that's embedded in our DNA. I
1628
01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:48.000
think it could be softened, obviously.
1629
01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:48.520
I think you can.
1630
01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:51.520
I think you don't. You cannot like somebody and accept
1631
01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:53.399
them and leave them the hell alone. You don't have
1632
01:20:53.439 --> 01:20:55.239
to go after me. You don't have to, you know,
1633
01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:58.920
make you do this certain things, or impose these laws
1634
01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:00.359
on certain people that don't with you.
1635
01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:01.920
What what is going on right now?
1636
01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:07.840
You know, common sense is a giant thing that's very
1637
01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:10.359
elusive right now because no one's got any damn common
1638
01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:12.079
sense when it comes to just about anything.
1639
01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:16.359
You know. Yeah, there it is. I still have some
1640
01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:16.960
hold on.
1641
01:21:17.159 --> 01:21:20.159
Some common sense. You have to find it. You had
1642
01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:21.079
to track it down.
1643
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:23.439
Yeah, it's like sometimes it's hard to find. You know.
1644
01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:29.119
You get so busy with the battle that you forget
1645
01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:32.640
the peace treaty.
1646
01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:33.319
And you're so unhappy.
1647
01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:34.479
Yeah.
1648
01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:37.279
Man, And if you're just always worrying about the other guy,
1649
01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:39.600
you're so unhappy because you you know, and I think
1650
01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:41.720
Sean and I have gotten to a place now we're
1651
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:44.560
just like, this is our little tribe here at the house,
1652
01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:46.920
you know, and we're going to raise our kid in
1653
01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:47.479
the way.
1654
01:21:47.319 --> 01:21:47.800
That we want.
1655
01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:50.000
I mean, because everyone raises their kids in the way
1656
01:21:50.039 --> 01:21:51.039
that they feel is right.
1657
01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:51.680
You know.
1658
01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:58.439
Let's entertainment today is arguing on TV. Yeah, I mean,
1659
01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:00.560
I don't want to see that ship. I mean, I
1660
01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:02.279
I got rid of cables because I was like, you know,
1661
01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:06.680
I get I have some this little thing right here,
1662
01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:10.920
we're talking, you know, that actual world news.
1663
01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:13.640
You know that just it's just kind of crazy.
1664
01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:15.800
The contradictions to drive me crazy.
1665
01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:18.520
It started on that man, because it's just like, yeah,
1666
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:22.680
I mean, I'm stepping on the national platform with this story.
1667
01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:26.720
It will be the it will be probably God has
1668
01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:28.640
blessed me, probably one of the biggest moments that I
1669
01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:35.680
will have with this music platform of mine. And I'm
1670
01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:41.600
being extremely picky about where I land, where my what
1671
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:45.319
seat my butt lands in because it's just not up
1672
01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:45.920
for auction.
1673
01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:50.720
This is not up for some stupid debate. This is
1674
01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:58.359
just simply my story and I will tell it with grace, dignity, integrity, and.
1675
01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:03.199
Authority of authority. Yes, and you know you know me
1676
01:23:03.239 --> 01:23:05.760
a long time. I'm a really nice guy. But when
1677
01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:09.079
it when it came to my own personal story and
1678
01:23:09.119 --> 01:23:12.479
my I was so co dependent on others that I
1679
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:17.000
never even had an opportunity for you to You never
1680
01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:19.319
got an opportunity to really get to know me because
1681
01:23:20.520 --> 01:23:23.960
as a as a PULSI recovering codependent. Man. I'm just
1682
01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:26.239
I'm like, talk about code of many colors. I mean,
1683
01:23:26.359 --> 01:23:29.680
I could I could morph into anything that you wanted
1684
01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:31.399
me to be as long as you liked me, as
1685
01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:33.920
long as there wasn't an argument, as long as I
1686
01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:37.520
didn't have to feel like that you were going to
1687
01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:38.560
go away from me.
1688
01:23:39.039 --> 01:23:42.600
How many haven't said that time? How many extra layers?
1689
01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:46.159
How many are there any? And if so, how many
1690
01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:48.520
extra layers do you still need to shed to be
1691
01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:49.159
who you are?
1692
01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:52.199
Oh? There's you know, the onion is done.
1693
01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:56.479
If there are already other layers that they're a surprise to
1694
01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:58.600
me at this point. But I think for me, it's
1695
01:23:58.600 --> 01:23:59.880
about putting the proper.
1696
01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:04.520
Layers back on right and healthy, uh you know, solid man,
1697
01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:08.680
that I that I'm learning to be. Uh you know here,
1698
01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:11.479
I'm coming up on the very monumental birthday.
1699
01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:12.439
I want to be there.
1700
01:24:12.479 --> 01:24:14.520
I've been, I've been. I been.
1701
01:24:14.520 --> 01:24:17.199
Well man, it's we're gonna blow it out because I've
1702
01:24:17.239 --> 01:24:21.039
been googling like successful you know, dudes that are turning
1703
01:24:21.079 --> 01:24:24.039
the big six zero and I just remember turning thirty.
1704
01:24:24.079 --> 01:24:26.199
I was like, oh my god, my life's over. You know.
1705
01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:28.920
Then it just beg brother.
1706
01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:32.520
Yeah, the fifty was like okay, you know, hey, you
1707
01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:35.640
know I'm still breazing, I'm looking good, I'm making good music,
1708
01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:37.000
you know, sick as fuck.
1709
01:24:37.239 --> 01:24:38.560
But can I say that out here?
1710
01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:39.960
Whatever you want?
1711
01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:42.359
You know, it's a It's kind of a new word
1712
01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:44.279
for me, because you know, I used to think I
1713
01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:45.800
was going to burn and hell for saying that word.
1714
01:24:46.119 --> 01:24:47.840
There's plenty of other things to burning hell about that.
1715
01:24:48.680 --> 01:24:50.680
It's going man.
1716
01:24:52.039 --> 01:24:56.760
Yeah, yeah, still not a huge cusser, but uh, somewhere
1717
01:24:56.760 --> 01:25:01.840
it's just fit anyhow, are wonderful right putting those layers
1718
01:25:01.880 --> 01:25:07.920
back on, you know, in a cloak of of authenticity,
1719
01:25:10.039 --> 01:25:12.960
and and waking up every morning like I just started
1720
01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:15.000
working the Big six, so I started working out with
1721
01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:17.039
the trainer. I feel like everything's going to fall off
1722
01:25:17.039 --> 01:25:19.439
at this point, you know, my my arms, I feel
1723
01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:24.279
like my ear lower sore. But I know that in
1724
01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:28.359
googling some really successful men and women in their sixties
1725
01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:31.680
and hearing folks like Bonnie Raate go Bonnie Rate said
1726
01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:34.079
he was fine, sober, and she she said her sixties
1727
01:25:34.079 --> 01:25:36.319
and her seventies have been into her seventies have been
1728
01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:40.840
the most incredible years of their life. So of course
1729
01:25:40.840 --> 01:25:42.920
you're going to think when you're younger, those are you know,
1730
01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:46.079
but hey, I'm going to be honest with you, man,
1731
01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:51.399
I was. I've been seeing that number coming at me
1732
01:25:51.479 --> 01:25:52.920
for a long time, and it's just like a it's
1733
01:25:52.920 --> 01:25:53.720
like a guillotine.
1734
01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:54.880
Yeah.
1735
01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:56.840
And the more people that I talked to about it
1736
01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:59.800
are like, oh, that's normal. Yeah, you'll you'll fly right
1737
01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:01.760
through that, not a big deal. So I decided to
1738
01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:02.399
just embrace it.
1739
01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:06.840
You know, I'm having my world birthday party at six
1740
01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:12.960
zero and feeling better, and I mean, you know, I
1741
01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:14.720
guess I'm I guess I'm still looking okay, you know,
1742
01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:17.039
look again, got a few grades.
1743
01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:22.159
These are still real. They don't come out so well
1744
01:26:22.159 --> 01:26:23.840
they used to, maybe one at a time. Every now
1745
01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:24.039
and then.
1746
01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:30.600
I've been there super glue. I've been around with wald
1747
01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:31.600
Raze for some chick lits.
1748
01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:33.760
I should have had a super glue and tour end
1749
01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:36.640
tour endorsement. My bus should have been wrapped with super.
1750
01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:37.920
That's so funny, man.
1751
01:26:38.039 --> 01:26:40.920
Although you have I have veneers.
1752
01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:43.000
You know, a lot of us do a show biz
1753
01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:44.720
you know, you'll every now and then, you know, we
1754
01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:45.479
come flying out.
1755
01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:47.600
Your soup are on the stage.
1756
01:26:48.520 --> 01:26:50.199
I remember, well, I remember I had a tooth fly
1757
01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:51.359
out across the stage one time.
1758
01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:53.680
I'm getting real, guy, I don't care. You know, I
1759
01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:55.319
had a tooth cut fly across the stage and a
1760
01:26:55.359 --> 01:26:58.279
fan got it. It was I said, I said, that
1761
01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:02.079
is not up that is not up for a just
1762
01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:06.239
an auction on what I said, give it back? Please?
1763
01:27:06.640 --> 01:27:08.000
Can I have my please?
1764
01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:10.600
Yeah, I'm not going to buy it back on on
1765
01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:15.159
the on some weird auction site. So what's what's I'm
1766
01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:22.680
losing it right now? Yeah, Herndon Teeth by eBay.
1767
01:27:22.760 --> 01:27:23.720
That's so funny, man.
1768
01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:25.760
I mean, I know you don't have a whole lot
1769
01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:28.600
more time because you've got things to do today. Just
1770
01:27:28.600 --> 01:27:30.600
just enlighten it up right here at the end. What
1771
01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:34.239
what What's been your most embarrassing thing that's ever happened
1772
01:27:34.239 --> 01:27:35.079
to you on stage?
1773
01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:36.520
I have some too.
1774
01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:41.359
I think the most embarrassing thing was I was I
1775
01:27:41.399 --> 01:27:45.439
was walking. The lights were really bright, and I just
1776
01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:48.560
I mean I walked off the stage and landed in
1777
01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:51.199
a you know, one of the festivals and just landed
1778
01:27:51.199 --> 01:27:54.359
in a big shred hedge in front.
1779
01:27:54.399 --> 01:27:55.520
I mean just and and.
1780
01:27:55.439 --> 01:27:59.119
I I think I was thinking I want my goodbye back,
1781
01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:01.199
and I just.
1782
01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:03.560
Oh my goodbye.
1783
01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:05.319
That was it.
1784
01:28:07.159 --> 01:28:09.119
I shout up and went right into the bridge, never
1785
01:28:09.119 --> 01:28:12.079
missed a note. The mic was still working, But that
1786
01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:16.960
was an embarrassing moment. Gosh, you know, I think another
1787
01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:21.079
one was, you know, people like you and David Pinkston.
1788
01:28:21.199 --> 01:28:23.640
Back in the day, they put put they put black,
1789
01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:26.159
had a black microphone and they put black shoe polish
1790
01:28:26.199 --> 01:28:26.399
on it.
1791
01:28:26.439 --> 01:28:27.680
I kept smelling gasoline.
1792
01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:29.079
I heard that black.
1793
01:28:28.880 --> 01:28:31.680
Shoe polish was all over my face and during the show,
1794
01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:34.319
but that you know, I don't do that because I
1795
01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:41.000
will get back. But I just you know, I think
1796
01:28:41.079 --> 01:28:42.680
some of them have just been my personal life.
1797
01:28:42.720 --> 01:28:48.439
You know, I've had some bloopers there, but but on stage.
1798
01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:51.720
Has always been my freedom. You know, I can say
1799
01:28:51.720 --> 01:28:54.960
this honestly. I might have been really hungover hereing the time,
1800
01:28:55.000 --> 01:29:01.119
but I uh, I always to taken that very seriously
1801
01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:06.279
on age, and you know, maybe forgotten a few words.
1802
01:29:06.319 --> 01:29:07.960
You've seen me do it make them up on the spot?
1803
01:29:08.079 --> 01:29:10.279
Yeah, yeah, I've taken a few lines.
1804
01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:11.680
Yeah you have.
1805
01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:14.600
I wish we'll get to all three of us get
1806
01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:15.960
together and sing again sometime.
1807
01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:17.960
Man. Well we got to do that.
1808
01:29:18.119 --> 01:29:19.800
You know what, after we got our record deal, we
1809
01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:21.359
never sing it together again.
1810
01:29:22.640 --> 01:29:23.720
I know, it's so weird.
1811
01:29:24.279 --> 01:29:26.680
We never wrote we didn't write any songs. We didn't
1812
01:29:27.079 --> 01:29:29.760
We hung out and we stayed in touch and called
1813
01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:32.359
and stuff. But it was it was so strange our
1814
01:29:32.399 --> 01:29:34.840
life got really crazy, really fast. And man, I came
1815
01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:38.520
back after five years and just being just a comment
1816
01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:42.000
and I didn't Hell, I didn't know anybody anymore. I mean,
1817
01:29:42.039 --> 01:29:44.319
I just you know, that's the thing about I think
1818
01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:47.800
that the people people outside of the music business might
1819
01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:50.960
not understand this, but in the music business, you cannot
1820
01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:53.039
see a griod friend for two or three years and
1821
01:29:53.079 --> 01:29:55.319
pick up right where you left off like it was yesterday,
1822
01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:58.039
because just how we are, you know, It's just how
1823
01:29:58.039 --> 01:29:58.319
it is.
1824
01:29:58.359 --> 01:29:59.760
And I'm thankful for that for sure.
1825
01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:03.119
I am too, man, you know, I just I keep
1826
01:30:03.159 --> 01:30:07.520
my my my rooms and my friends very sacred because
1827
01:30:07.520 --> 01:30:09.640
I know who my friends are. I know if I
1828
01:30:09.680 --> 01:30:12.239
picked up the phone and said I need you here now,
1829
01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:14.720
that they would be there. And I know that I
1830
01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:17.560
know that those friends know that I'm that person as well,
1831
01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:21.039
more so than ever these days, and that's that feels good.
1832
01:30:21.119 --> 01:30:23.560
But hey, we're you know, as far as I know,
1833
01:30:23.560 --> 01:30:25.359
You've got plenty of music coming, so do I. So
1834
01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:28.359
you know, it's yeah, we don't got to put a
1835
01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:32.479
lid on that, you know. I mean, it's a harmonist
1836
01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:35.760
coming up on this, It's a harmony is on this you.
1837
01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:39.079
Know, we we we're signing a new record deal as well.
1838
01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:40.920
We have a single coming out in April and new
1839
01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:41.920
record and all that stuff.
1840
01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:44.640
So it looks like that what's coming this year for
1841
01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:45.079
all of us.
1842
01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:50.760
It's as as this business has almost shut down, which
1843
01:30:51.439 --> 01:30:54.000
actually that's no kidding, guys, it almost you know.
1844
01:30:54.800 --> 01:30:55.399
I thought it was.
1845
01:30:55.439 --> 01:30:58.880
I thought it was over, dude, I did too, and then.
1846
01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:03.359
To realize that it kind of just I hate to
1847
01:31:03.439 --> 01:31:07.520
say this, you know, it separated those of us, It
1848
01:31:07.600 --> 01:31:08.359
made me stronger.
1849
01:31:09.239 --> 01:31:10.960
I'm not going to count anyone out. You should never
1850
01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:11.279
do that.
1851
01:31:11.359 --> 01:31:15.159
But somebody said separated the men from the boys, and like, no,
1852
01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:17.000
it just I think it made us take a look
1853
01:31:17.039 --> 01:31:19.640
at ourselves and our dreams, and a lot of people like,
1854
01:31:19.880 --> 01:31:21.520
is this really what I want?
1855
01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:24.880
You know, it was humbling, bro, It was. It was humbling.
1856
01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:25.079
Man.
1857
01:31:25.119 --> 01:31:27.800
I was just like, you know, you think you're cool
1858
01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:29.640
and you're successful and everything else, and then you look
1859
01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:31.760
at it and go, shit, I might not ever sing again.
1860
01:31:32.199 --> 01:31:34.520
And that's how I felt for like three months, you know,
1861
01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:38.239
and I saw like ninety shows disappear from my calendar,
1862
01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:39.960
and I know what that equates to.
1863
01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:42.560
At the end of the year. And I was like, uh, okay, well,
1864
01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:44.279
how's that going to happen? You know?
1865
01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:48.880
Yeah, So it's it's scary and we're still rebuilding, you know.
1866
01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:52.199
I mean, we're still not back touring full on like
1867
01:31:52.239 --> 01:31:55.319
we like we normally would want to, you know, but
1868
01:31:55.399 --> 01:31:56.239
it's still.
1869
01:31:57.039 --> 01:32:00.239
It's interesting, you know, because I don't want to about
1870
01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:04.800
it anymore. But I did for a while after coming out,
1871
01:32:05.119 --> 01:32:08.359
you know, in twenty fourteen, that build for those five
1872
01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:11.800
years to you know, a book, deal made for TV movie,
1873
01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:14.640
just all the stuff that we're actually about to talk about.
1874
01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:18.880
Let that get out of the back any to waking
1875
01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:24.079
up one morning and being scared to death the next morning,
1876
01:32:24.319 --> 01:32:27.840
like what's going on? The next morning? Somebody took an
1877
01:32:27.880 --> 01:32:32.159
eraser and erased it all? Wait minute, what wait?
1878
01:32:32.199 --> 01:32:33.920
Wait? Wait? What happened to my bank account? How many?
1879
01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:41.560
How much deposits? We're soon back? Yeah, And I I
1880
01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:42.279
love to say this.
1881
01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:45.079
We made it through, and by the grace of God,
1882
01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:49.039
we're going to continue being smart. Everybody, you know, be smart.
1883
01:32:49.159 --> 01:32:51.039
Take care of your neighbor, Check on your nerbors, one thing,
1884
01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:52.359
check on your neighbors.
1885
01:32:52.399 --> 01:32:57.680
Make sure. Okay, I I believe that. But the second
1886
01:32:57.840 --> 01:32:59.159
day the world stopped turning.
1887
01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:04.800
You know, it was a.
1888
01:33:06.479 --> 01:33:12.279
Saved my life. And it's weird to say, man, it's
1889
01:33:12.279 --> 01:33:15.560
we'd just because we lost so many friends, I mean,
1890
01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:22.520
seven people in one church and family members, and so
1891
01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:26.960
it was an awakening for those of us who are
1892
01:33:28.039 --> 01:33:32.319
are here. I feel wide awake. Do you feel wi awake?
1893
01:33:32.680 --> 01:33:34.720
I feel more awaken I ever have been, man, I think,
1894
01:33:34.760 --> 01:33:38.640
and you know I've you know, we lost a few
1895
01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:41.760
people as well, and and thankfully a lot of my
1896
01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:46.680
family's still okay. And and I think everybody, just about
1897
01:33:46.680 --> 01:33:50.079
everybody in my circles had this crap. You know, it
1898
01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:52.359
hadn't been hadn't been as bad in my circle as
1899
01:33:52.399 --> 01:33:52.800
as it.
1900
01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:53.560
Has been in others.
1901
01:33:53.560 --> 01:33:57.520
But you know, I for all the bad, and I
1902
01:33:58.199 --> 01:34:01.880
just I don't envy the person who created this stuff.
1903
01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:07.000
I think there'll be a reckoning like no other. But
1904
01:34:07.880 --> 01:34:10.359
you know, for what it did, it just kind of
1905
01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:15.239
proved that humans can adapt. And and you know, you
1906
01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:17.800
go through you go through these seven stages of denial
1907
01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:20.199
or whatever else there we went. I went through all
1908
01:34:20.279 --> 01:34:24.239
those man like very quickly, like in a day, and
1909
01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:27.800
to accepting, to accepting your reality. And then once you
1910
01:34:27.800 --> 01:34:30.239
accept the reality, you know. It's it's funny man, when
1911
01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:32.279
you go when you hit a dead end sometimes in
1912
01:34:32.319 --> 01:34:35.640
life and you want to go straight, but you can
1913
01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:38.079
go you can only go left or right. Maybe you
1914
01:34:38.079 --> 01:34:40.399
can only go right. If you only have one choice,
1915
01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:42.880
guess where you're going. You go right and then you
1916
01:34:42.920 --> 01:34:44.800
just figure out where that road leads and you don't
1917
01:34:44.840 --> 01:34:46.880
have a choice. And sometimes when you don't have a choice,
1918
01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:48.520
it's the best choice you can ever make because you
1919
01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:50.159
would have made the wrong one in the first place
1920
01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:52.960
and never know what's going to be down that road.
1921
01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:57.039
Man, are there are Are there no roads? Yeah?
1922
01:34:57.079 --> 01:35:00.760
And you have to still figure out, uh, how to
1923
01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:04.319
build that room. And so that's also meant I love
1924
01:35:04.359 --> 01:35:06.560
the analogies. We could talk all day about it now.
1925
01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:11.000
But man, I'm glad you're you're here. I'm glad that
1926
01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:14.479
you're that miss Shauna who's still sleeping. And yeah, I'm
1927
01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:15.640
going to say it to you right now.
1928
01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:18.119
Girl. You know I said I wouldn't an interested this
1929
01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:21.000
curlers up in your hair.
1930
01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:24.920
Maybe it's short seeing you to know what your hair
1931
01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:25.399
looks like.
1932
01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:26.520
Okay, I'm done with that.
1933
01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:30.399
I love you, Shauna, man, let's get let's get together
1934
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:33.960
soon and talk about some other things off the air,
1935
01:35:34.119 --> 01:35:35.279
you know, and see what's going on.
1936
01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:36.439
I can't wait to hear the music.
1937
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That'd be great, man. And then let's let's do this again.
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What's you know?
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Some new music's out and some more stories to tell.
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It's kind of fun.
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Well, I hope that you can show this link with me.
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Let's marry some fans here.
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Let's do it. Man.
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I keep looking there and there. I don't get there
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you are.
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It's weird.
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It's weird because I look at your face and that's
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not quite there. I love you, I accept you, and
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I support you, and uh, I tell you, man, it's
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so good to see your face. It's been so nice
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to get caught back up after so many years.
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And I supported you when you came out as a
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straight person. I want you to make you.
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Yeah, straight people don't do that.
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Would that be weird to see me on the cover
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of Time magazine going I'm straight.
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It doesn't have the same impact.
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What is that?
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That's not fair.
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I should be able to scream to the world I'm
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a white straight guy.
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That's the worst. That's the worst person in the world.
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Right now, I'm gonna leave on that note.
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Brother, I love you know. Let's talk to you soon.
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Man, okay, brother, all right? By bye.
1966
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Well that was a blast. I hope you guys enjoyed that.
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That was That was our guest, ty Herndon, just one
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of the best dudes man, and such an incredible singer.
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Please go to ty Herndon's website I think it's tyd
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dot com and check out the new music he's working
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on and everything that's going on with him. And man,
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this is just so much fun to be able to
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catch up with an old friend, and I hope you
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guys enjoying it. Until next time, guys, my name is
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Keeper and this is Talking with Thompson Square.
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It's a podcast.