Talking Transparency 2.7

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you are now listening to talking
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transparency the podcast where
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transparents talk transparently hosted
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by Thea Ross Melissa Len and Cody
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Connor you guys are good are we live yes
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oh wow welcome to talking transparency
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the podcast where transparents talk
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transparently I'm Thea I'm Melissa and
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I'm Cody this week on our podcast we are
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welcoming you to our space we're all
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holding space right now as we are
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feeling the fall out and the pain from
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these executive orders on this episode
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we're going to try our very best to
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search out some Joy but also dive into
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some heavy topics so if you are
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currently struggling with these things
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maybe this is a video you might want to
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come back to and if you are willing to
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in if you are ready to fight stick with
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us um obviously last night we had a
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wonderful executive order come through
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from Donald Trump that was targeting our
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trans youth trans teachers and our safe
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spaces in public schools as if you've
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watched and tuned into to our podcast
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before you know that we have two amazing
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Advocates who are down at the school
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board we at the school board just this
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week fighting to make sure that our
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trans Youth and all of our marginalized
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populations are seen heard and that we
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are showing up for them in all of these
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spaces so we are all kind of reeling we
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are all um um trying to figure out what
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we can do to stay strong throughout all
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of this and we hope that if you're
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listening um you will reach out in your
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community to find those Community spaces
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because the thing that's holding me
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together right now the thing that gave
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me joy today was despite the fact that
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we had that that come out last night we
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were me and producer at Thea were able
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to go to our uh a local lgbtq plus
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homeschooling group we're not going to
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discuss when or where or how exactly
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that is because we'd like to protect all
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the wonderful families um and we
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actually got to spend time with trans
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youth and we got to talk to them about
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what resilience about what light looks
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like and how we get through the dark
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times and those kids are aren't they
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cool was that today yeah that was today
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that's it was today oh was was Rowan
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there was there yes um she gave it8 out
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of 10 the The Experience oh the
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experience was an eight out of 10 great
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well cuz yeah I mean she has a lot of
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social anxiety right you know coming out
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of public school and awesome just all of
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that and so you know she she has a lot
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of anxiety about going into a new social
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new social environment there's a lot of
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rejection that she yes you know um and
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so she was anxious earlier about going
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yep um and uh but she gave it to eight
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out of 10 oh that's amazing I was happy
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to hear that that's really cool I was
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happy to see her walk in cuz like I said
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you know I know some of the parents I
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know some of the folks have come to our
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trans family dinners they've come to
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different community events and things
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like that but always new faces because
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especially when we talk about you know
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lgbtq plus youth homeschool lgbtq plus
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youth are even more siloed and have even
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difficult time so we very the the people
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and organizers the parent organizers of
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this group are doing their best to make
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sure that they create these safe spaces
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and this comes back to something that is
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a truism of our community we keep us
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safe yes no matter what you may think
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about the power of oppressive state
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governments the power of individuals
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will always trumpet that's
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that's the Bas of our constitution the
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entire system of democratic governance
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so the reason why we started the trans
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family dinner is because Cody was saying
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these These are the sorts of spaces I'm
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already hosting for my kids and I need
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more of them and parents need more of
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them and getting to see these sorts of
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spaces specifically for homeschool
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students is unique right isn't it really
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I know I'm I was really so fortunate um
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I was saying I'm in a cohort and I'm in
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the cohort with one of the parent
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organizers yes um so I've just gotten to
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know her over the last three weeks
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freaking love her I onast we have to
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have her on the podcast she's amazing
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and what she's doing for lgbtq youth for
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homeschooling is so important and like
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also can we just talk about like I know
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that with Selena and the other parent
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organizers they're going to be taught
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actual US history and not that
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whitewashed bull crap that they get in
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public schools um they might actually
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they're going to read the Constitution
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they're actually right you know they're
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actually going to be educated on um on
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those things so um but but to have that
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space for them and uh where they can be
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with each other as well and share their
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experiences and really growing up
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because what do you do when you go to
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school like you're literally growing up
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with your classmates you know as long as
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everybody stays in the class you're
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Rising together and you grow up with
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these folks and so I just think it's
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really beautiful that they're starting
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that and um I'm so glad you got to speak
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to them and were they at did they ask
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you questions there were some questions
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I feel like mostly the kids were so well
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informed it was a little bit shocking
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like when I was that age I was not
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nearly as well informed they were
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talking you know we started because I
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said we're in contact with the ACLU with
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equality Virginia with different
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partners and different organizations so
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I I have some more guidance I've I've
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been privy to emails and conversations
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and such so I wanted to be able to be
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there to answer those questions I opened
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it up for a time but those kids already
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were like no you scream lra lra and you
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run the other way if you're a white
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person and I was like y these kids are
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these kids are down are down look I'm
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like
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mm and I was like hold up hold up y'all
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are miners so please listen to your
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parents and don't just start yelling ler
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and run when you see I like like I'm not
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saying that that's a bad thing to do and
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certainly we need to create good trouble
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and there's ways to do that but you are
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in fact a minor and they can detain you
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for any reason if they want to and that
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can create a whole bunch of problems for
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your parents if you but I digress
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there's a whole other conversation these
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kids are all right though yeah no that's
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so cool that's the thing that really I
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love that really gave me life today so
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if you're listening and you're
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struggling and you're worried how are we
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going to get through this the way we're
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going to get through this is the way
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we've always gotten through this we will
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create those parallel structures we will
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create those safe spaces and we'll keep
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fighting and if you'd like to support us
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please go to kis coalition.com donate we
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are in a position right now due to this
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executive order where lots of
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organizations that take federal and
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state fundings are all of a sudden
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having new mandates they are being
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muzzled they are being uh uh uh put
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under all these different restraints
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they're having their funding cut they're
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having to fire people we are very
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fortunate that we are member funded and
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we are Community funded therefore it is
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only by the grace of our parents by our
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teachers by our by by our students by
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our community members themselves that
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we're able to do this work so help us
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and we will continue to do that work and
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the other thing is is like if you can't
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support us I cannot stress this enough
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please please please go to the ACLU the
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national ACL lamb illegal make sure that
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you go to the Human Rights Campaign and
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be supporting one or all of these
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organizations as best you possibly can
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whether it be financially whether it be
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with your time whether it be sharing the
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Vital Information that their staff and
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volunteers are putting out da over day
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because there is so much misinformation
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and we have to look to those leadership
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right now so if you're in any level of
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advocacy thank you um I hope that you'll
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reach out to us and I hope that you'll
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continue to reach out to those
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organizations because they have
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resources especially information
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resources right now um and it feels like
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you know we were going along in a ship
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we were just running along in a ship and
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our ship had a hole bu busted inside of
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it and the water's rushing and and it is
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scary but it is important to remember as
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I was talking with uh our vice president
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of the CIS coalition dday before we even
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started this that it is not that we are
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fighting the oceans we are not fighting
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the tides that is not what blew the hole
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in the side of our ship it was an enemy
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ship that's right it's easy to be
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convinced that it is Mother Nature that
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it is some Supernatural force that there
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is something larger than you that is
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causing this but it is not larger than
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you these are people yeah people with
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malicious intent and yes that can hurt
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and that will hurt but just because they
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blew a hole in the side of our ship does
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not mean that we will not repair it
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right I am many things but I believe in
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myself as a ship of thesias I've had to
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replace and
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rebuild and improve so many different
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parts of myself in my life I know how to
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do
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it and I the real struggle is how do we
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do that with Community right and how do
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we do that so that our ship is still
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watertight as watertight as we can hope
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mhm and uh well because they're right
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now what's happening is people are going
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to
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start going back going backwards because
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they're going to want to hide themselves
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and that's not what we want I mean
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obviously for your safety there's you
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know that's a whole other problem
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because you know I'm terrified right now
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for my oldest you know they're going to
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be 31 they're an adult but like they
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live in a state Wisconsin where
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it's you know not very in great um
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and they you know fly their trans flag
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proudly in their they have a huge one in
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their big window and the like they have
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a amazing Windows um and they have it
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you know in there and everybody can you
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know it's a busy street people drive by
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and I and the I know that the people
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across the street are trumpers and so um
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you know I just as a parent I'm
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terrified I'm sure Cody like you know um
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you've taken
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some action and changed maybe a few of
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your daily habits that and because of um
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you know what's what's going on and and
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I think that's just sad that we feel
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like we can't go out in public without
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fear that somebody's going to try to
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hurt our family our loved one um our you
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know are just us because we are um out
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there supporting and we are we are are
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fighting for and advocating for um
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people that like I will use as a
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cisgendered woman white woman on top of
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that right I will 100% use my privilege
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to tell people to [ __ ] off like and that
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you're not going to hurt my family or my
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friends so um
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and that's not a luxury of trans people
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because they th those people that need
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to listen they don't want to listen to
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trans people because they're bigots
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right well they also think that we're
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mentally ill our words don't carry
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weight they think that we're polluted or
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poisoned or some especially people who
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are are are susceptible to the idea that
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like queerness itself is a mind virus or
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some sort of infection they kind of see
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well that person is a zombie already
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they they're not going to listen to me
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when I say hey you know equal rights
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protection for all folks you know treat
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your neighbors with love and and those
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sorts of that that's not going to
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resonate in the same way that it might
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come from a bishop and one of the things
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that actually to talk about is Bishop
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buds uh uh viral moments and such um so
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many people found so much strength and
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resilience and I'm not trying to
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criticize them but when I hear you know
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a cisgendered bishop asking for Mercy
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for Trans families it it rubs me in a
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weird way not because which I 100% agree
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right of course but it's also because I
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know all of the different people that
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I've ignored people like Cody who've
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gone to school board meetings people
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who've gone to the state houses people
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have gone to the federal and have
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testified and begged demanded for
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decency equality right to be respected
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and those were not enough begging for
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mercy when it's trans people and that
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was but when a bishop does it with a
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cisgender white Bishop does it and does
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it the right but regardless I'm glad
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that that that she pierced the Z guys
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was a good thing I mean that took a lot
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of courage to do that in front of Donald
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Trump that's for sure no smoke to be thr
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at her okay she's amazing and thank you
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for speaking out we need more theists
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and more Christian leaders speaking out
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100% so no shade but I want to come back
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to something that you said and it's
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really really I think a Crux of the
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conversation here is that safety is an
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illusion it has always been an illusion
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it is something that we tell ourselves
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it's something that you know we we bask
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in until we can't because safety is not
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something that's guaranteed right um and
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we're living in a world right now where
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safety is being taken from us and the
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meaning of vulnerable populations is
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highlighted because we're talking about
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people being able to just be snatched up
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off the street and disappeared we're
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talking about folks losing their jobs
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we're talking about people losing their
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healthare we're talking about people
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losing their families um vulnerability
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is not just some buzzword or woke word
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it's not something that like oh it's
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it's cutesy or liberal it's not
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political left right it's not but we're
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talking about like folks who cannot call
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the police and if they call the police
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the police are then going to make things
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worse for them that's correct um and
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when we talk about trans and queer
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people we talk about the intersection of
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like state law and power that's what it
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really means is that we no longer feel
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safe because if I was to call a police
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officer to come try to help me can I can
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I trust that police officer I mean well
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the answer is always no well yes there's
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but at the same time it it the worse
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that that gets and the less civic
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participation and SEC security that we
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feel the more Panic that we feel right
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but it's important to remember as I was
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saying earlier that it is not that the
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world is out to get us it's that there
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are people in the world out to get us
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and to keep ourselves based in that
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because the world we are part of MH
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right I what do you think what do you
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think I
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mean that's a big you know what the is
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talking about with the with the safety
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you know that's what people are seeing
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is it's there's a certain amount of
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safety that
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comes with uh with a society that that
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accepts you and protects you and and
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offers you you protections mhm um and
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and the government that does that right
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and that and that's what we're seeing
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that's that's really to me the scariest
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about what's going on is those
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safeties are being eroded not just the
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government safeties but the way people
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are being presented and portrayed by the
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government is also eroding those social
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safeties MH yep that
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exist um and and to me that's that's
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what the was the most scary because just
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like Theo pointed out it's one thing to
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be in a dangerous situation when you
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know like one of the things that they
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tell you about you know if you're in
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danger if you're doing something go to a
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place with people right it's one thing
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to do that when Society offers you
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protection that's right but but when
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Society doesn't when it's not acceptable
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for society to offer you protection
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right then then those normal dangers
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become more dangerous that's right um
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and then when Society also portrays you
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as dangerous mhm now you
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increase the likelihood that somebody
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will view you as dangerous and treat you
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as dangerous and attack you as dangerous
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while you were out in society and
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that's the kind
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of
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unvoiced logic of the fear that's
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building in our communities you're
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touching on like the effects of
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stochastic terrorism yes the effects of
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stochastic terrorism but to put it into
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like really granular terms I think about
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this in terms of self-defense especially
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for trans women and trans men because
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let's say that you're in a public space
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and I'm identifying people see me I'm
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moving through space as a woman but all
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of a sudden I am getting in a fight
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someone comes up to me um if I if they
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let's say that they you know somehow out
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me all of a sudden I make my voice goes
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too too too deep or something in a
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normal circumstance if a man or another
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woman someone might intervene like oh my
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gosh a man's beating up they will pause
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because they do not understand and
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actively may even become hostile towards
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me right in those situations and the
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stochastic terrorism is a social force
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that is trying to keep the allies and
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the folks who would say it doesn't
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matter who the gender we're going to
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stop this um and and it it's almost like
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they want me to be blamed for the
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violence that's going to happen to me
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and
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then also that I can't rely on my
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community to show up and be safe for me
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because those people are not sure if
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they will be safe because if they start
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defending a trans person all of a sudden
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there could they could be in a situation
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and I think that that fear that
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pervasive fear is what causes us to be
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siloed and become more and more
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vulnerable and and th and those are the
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the situations they're trying to create
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for every facet yep of of the community
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is these um no right decision scenarios
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right um like with the executive order
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abandoning all gender affirming care
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from 19 and under 19 and under or under
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19 I guess
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yeah and under no it literally
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said 19 and under so you have to be 19
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you have to you have to be over the age
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of 18 not even 18 over the age of 18
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yeah that's that's also like
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um but as a
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parent right and
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um it's it's one of those and and it's
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part of you know some of the
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decisions and and and courses that we've
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tried to follow um is the fear that that
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would be taken
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away um but as a parent now what is the
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right
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decision now what is the right decision
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I know
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that if if we go these
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routes um
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insurance and other things will will
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quickly not cover it if these stands
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yeah um and we're not talking about like
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bottles of Tylenol right
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um I know
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that it can become very very difficult
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for me
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to provide that that correct if you even
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can the financial part of it but can you
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even get a doctor to write even if I can
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and then say I can mhm yeah see I can
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find a way which will probably be
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illegal
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mhm in some form or another right now I
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risk even being able to be the one
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taking care of my child right to take
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care of my child correct and that's what
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they're do trying to do they're trying
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to create these impossible to navigate
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situations
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yeah and it's just mass chaos right now
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I mean it's just there's like this came
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on the heels of you know him signing the
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executive order with the military
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members no trans military members in you
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know or no trans people in the military
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which affects like 15,000 service
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members I think it affects a lot like
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you're you're right accurate on the
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numbers we have to remember that those
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service members also have housing they
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have they have spouses have kid no it's
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just 15,000 of the service members it's
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the families was what I immediately went
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to like families that are going to be
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impacted because the that military
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member may be the only source of income
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for their family because their spouse
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doesn't or their partner doesn't work or
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their family might live in military
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housing and now they are all of a sudden
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out on the street the street and the
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other thing that's so interesting about
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that unique executive order is that it
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goes so overboard in defining us as
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moral and ethical failings as a threat
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to the point that like it basically
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defines as a violation of moral
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turpitude like the standards which is so
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disgusting which is disgusting because
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that is used not just within the
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military but within like a standard of
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corporate Contracting and everything
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that if the United States federal
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government defines transness Baseline as
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a violation of moral turpitude that
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means the corporations can follow suit
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because corations can follow suit
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theyve there's no protections like
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they've literally removed the T from
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like the LGBT that's and of course you
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see conservatives doing that you'll
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start you start hearing them I've
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started noticing I think I said this
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about six months ago LGB yes they've
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leaving off the tea right but it's a
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whole protected class and they're trying
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to segregate off
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essentially that just trans people and
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it's it's
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dehumanizing they're literally trying to
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pretend that you don't exist and it's it
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is it's
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absolutely I mean vile is is I don't
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know I don't know if there's a bad don't
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even know if there's a bad enough word I
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don't know if there's a bad enough word
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for not certainly not one that we can
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say in live streaming um I can't think
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of any of those even that fit the bill
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here's the thing executive orders for
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those who are listening and those who
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know anything about government they're
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not laws they're not laws yeah um these
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are the these are
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attempts and and he the golden calf as I
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like to call him oh I love that yeah the
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golden C is is
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certainly trying to see just how far
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executive power can go and not only that
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just um how much he
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owns the rest of the legislator and the
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other branches that o is all testing
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this is it's not just testing this is
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setting up a test case because when an
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executive while it does not have legal
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weight it does have the ability to be
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challenged as if it has legal weight and
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there's a little subtle distinction
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consider how the Supreme Court ruled in
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the 1990s that um Bill Bill Clinton no
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longer had the line item veto they were
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able to put through the Judiciary Branch
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limitations on the executive branch and
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we know that that within the system of
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checks and power the people who wrote
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These executive orders understand that
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intimately and what they've done is set
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up a scenario where all it takes is the
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pre they don't no longer have to find
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the right test case they don't have to
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go through all the appellant courts they
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don't have to find any way to undo equal
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protection all they have to do is have
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the president sign something absolutely
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outrageous that's clearly extra legal
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beyond anything and now they are able to
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get a standing and a grounding to
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challenge our equal protection within
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the Supreme Court yep skip over right to
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federal courts yep they don't even need
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to have a test case they can have it
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totally theoretical they can have it in
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whatever they want and they can
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challenge these things without having
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any human aspect to the trans people
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that they're actually going to be
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disenfranchising and stri stripping
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equal protection and also it comes in
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the backdrop we cannot forget of the
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scetti case where they're specifically
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trying to put a [ __ ] in equal
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protection by saying well children are
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treated differently this is them trying
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to set up not only that the expectation
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that that's going to fall in their favor
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any day any week now but then also the
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next challenge and you have to
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understand this about the conservative
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American conservative movement is that
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they are judicial activist they will
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accuse the left and everyone else of
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being judicial activists but they
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themselves have done more case in point
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the 303 elenis case completely
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manufactured completely manufactured by
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conservative rightwing and they
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ultimately won and have the right right
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today to discriminate against me and say
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no we're going to deny you service at my
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business and this is an extension of the
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denial of our equal production our
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rights our access to public
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accommodations private accommodations or
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even whether we'll be allowed to have
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our bodies be seen as productive by the
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military industrial complex they see us
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as garbage as a threat and that is so
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violent oh absolutely there's no other
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word than violence for it to take
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someone's jobs and their homes and I
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mean I can think of a time um multiple
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times in history where we and other
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countries like when somebody says that
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guantan bay is the first like when
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people are talking about the Deport
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deportations to Guantanamo because
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that's another executive order as
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example people say first con like oh we
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have our first it's not first no
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plantations were the first and then
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there were World War II right and then
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you have World War II and so you have
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exact Japanese internment skipped over a
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few think yeah no we yeah for sure but
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it's just not it's not the first time
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and so now what we so now what we're I
00:24:05.320 --> 00:24:07.710
mean trans people are the boogeyman now
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like they have they found something that
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hits the nerve because we're talking
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about
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Youth and that is where and and
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honestly exposure Society these kids
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like you said you met with kids that are
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homeschooled the you were surprised at
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how well informed these kids are kids
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are informed much more informed than we
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were when we were kids I know I mean I'm
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48 I'm the oldest one here i' certainly
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know well more than I mean I was a grown
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ass adult before I their cell phones
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existed I I remember still have to look
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stuff up in encyclopedias en oh my gosh
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we just talked about that oh my goodness
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I just was talking about like two weeks
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ago I'm like did it a lot me I I had to
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you had to go through and like what what
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would this be under sometimes you had to
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look through a few different sections of
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the encyclopedia to like start figuring
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out what you really had a question about
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y yeah no I mean that's and now it's
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like information is that like fingertips
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you know what I mean versus all the
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reading we had to do Google like a heart
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it's
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yeah I Google everything um different
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.630
ways you know different I know I wish AI
00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:26.630
didn't suck so much because I will tell
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you somebody
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:33.430
asked chat GPT to
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take one of Trump's executive orders and
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or all of them I think maybe oh he for
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this one it was all of them and
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essentially compare Trump's executive
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orders
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to uh what happened basically what
00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:55.630
happened in Germany okay um and chat GPT
00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:57.549
and like summarize it like make it
00:25:57.559 --> 00:25:58.990
succinct
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holy crap I mean I wish I didn't hate a
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:04.830
that was like kind of smart I mean that
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was kind of smart but now he's published
00:26:06.679 --> 00:26:08.070
it so we don't have to use AI to get the
00:26:08.080 --> 00:26:10.669
information but I found it on threads I
00:26:10.679 --> 00:26:13.230
just wish AI you know could do the
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:16.430
things that I don't like to do yeah you
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:19.389
know like it can do my work and
00:26:19.399 --> 00:26:22.310
everything and I can like make pictures
00:26:22.320 --> 00:26:24.350
yeah exactly and we can just and we can
00:26:24.360 --> 00:26:25.830
just exist I mean that's the thing
00:26:25.840 --> 00:26:28.710
Western culture is that we are are here
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:32.710
to produce that's our culture versus we
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:34.630
are the product yeah we are the yeah we
00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:38.470
are the product yeah so um but all of
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:41.789
this is really challenging
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um and if you're watching there are
00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:47.830
resources like kalea's Coalition um and
00:26:47.840 --> 00:26:53.630
you know Trevor Project um there we just
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:56.470
need to make sure we stay in community
00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.029
and we hold space for for
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:02.549
um everybody that is affected by this
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.029
and the I mean just the trans Community
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:08.909
like we need to open our arms and like
00:27:08.919 --> 00:27:13.590
hold on to our trans family and friends
00:27:13.600 --> 00:27:16.149
because it it's so overwhelming what's
00:27:16.159 --> 00:27:20.389
going on right now um I mean I like I'm
00:27:20.399 --> 00:27:22.710
just overwhelmed I mean that's let's
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:24.630
focus in on that overwhelm let's not get
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:26.710
overwhelmed by the overwhelm like there
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:27.789
are people who may or may not be
00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:29.470
listening this may be watched by someone
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:31.269
in the future what can you do right
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:32.549
you're sitting here with us listening to
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.149
this we've laid out all the negativity
00:27:34.159 --> 00:27:35.510
we're overwhelmed together what do can
00:27:35.520 --> 00:27:39.510
you do I want you to think of a transer
00:27:39.520 --> 00:27:40.950
queer person in your life if you don't
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:42.950
have transer queer person in your life
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:44.110
we'll get come back to that but I want
00:27:44.120 --> 00:27:45.230
you to think about the trans and queer
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:46.350
people in your life have you reached out
00:27:46.360 --> 00:27:48.630
to them have you sent them a message
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:50.110
have you have you have you text have you
00:27:50.120 --> 00:27:52.669
called them tell them that you love them
00:27:52.679 --> 00:27:54.149
because I can't tell you that there's
00:27:54.159 --> 00:27:55.990
going to be some great state power or
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:57.669
some action that you can take but you
00:27:57.679 --> 00:28:00.549
can spread love and joy with your own
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.549
two little hands and right now that is
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:06.389
the action that is T that is needed I
00:28:06.399 --> 00:28:08.710
know so many trans people who are broken
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:11.110
scared afraid to go outside they have
00:28:11.120 --> 00:28:13.070
lost their job some of them some of them
00:28:13.080 --> 00:28:14.509
are are literally being kicked out of
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:16.509
the military they're losing their house
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:18.389
like people are afraid for their kids
00:28:18.399 --> 00:28:19.909
and they don't know if they can even
00:28:19.919 --> 00:28:21.750
speak publicly because anytime that they
00:28:21.760 --> 00:28:24.350
speak publicly like my my silly ass is
00:28:24.360 --> 00:28:26.830
doing they're afraid that they're going
00:28:26.840 --> 00:28:28.630
to have retribution visited upon them
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:29.909
and their loved ones or they're going to
00:28:29.919 --> 00:28:34.870
lose even more so call them now before
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:37.950
it's too late to reach out to them give
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:39.269
them that love and affection in
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:40.950
community because that is what you have
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.149
to give I don't expect you to save us
00:28:43.159 --> 00:28:44.750
and I hopefully you don't expect to save
00:28:44.760 --> 00:28:47.830
yourself we are going to save ourselves
00:28:47.840 --> 00:28:50.669
that's right you yes trans trans people
00:28:50.679 --> 00:28:51.509
will
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:53.990
continue just to basically save
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.590
yourselves like you like there's never
00:28:56.600 --> 00:28:59.029
going to be a space where your
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:03.149
not welcome for me um in my life in
00:29:03.159 --> 00:29:07.190
Cody's life like there's that in I don't
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.630
know how else to um communicate to
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:15.310
people that we are all humans none of
00:29:15.320 --> 00:29:17.750
this [ __ ] matters you know what I'm
00:29:17.760 --> 00:29:19.549
saying like we we should love one
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:21.430
another like meaning if I'm not affect
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:23.549
if I'm not harming you and you're not
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:27.549
harming me mind your business okay just
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:31.070
for the listeners if or viewers all of
00:29:31.080 --> 00:29:33.110
this noise is the US Navy because we're
00:29:33.120 --> 00:29:36.549
very close to a Navy jet base um in the
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.830
background but um I mean and that's
00:29:39.840 --> 00:29:41.950
that's the thing trans people always
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:44.470
have existed have always existed trans
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.389
people will always
00:29:46.399 --> 00:29:48.630
exist
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.029
um whether anybody whether people
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.430
everybody's comfortable with it or not
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:58.029
that's right um and you know truth will
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:01.149
continue mhm um and that and that's the
00:30:01.159 --> 00:30:04.590
big things is is just speak truth mhm
00:30:04.600 --> 00:30:07.990
just continue to speak and live your
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:13.350
truth um for you know whoever you are
00:30:13.360 --> 00:30:15.350
mhm
00:30:15.360 --> 00:30:20.149
and they they can't win
00:30:20.159 --> 00:30:23.230
right they can't win no I like to say it
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:25.590
like this fascism SWS the seeds of its
00:30:25.600 --> 00:30:27.430
own destruction through its cruelty
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:31.190
brutality and drink evilness yes yes and
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:32.590
that's what we're seeing right now yeah
00:30:32.600 --> 00:30:34.830
and that that's the thing is is is evil
00:30:34.840 --> 00:30:39.269
will always eat itself yep and because
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:40.909
unfortunately we have to keep this short
00:30:40.919 --> 00:30:42.710
tonight because my husband had neck
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:47.389
surgery only 6 days ago um and so having
00:30:47.399 --> 00:30:49.430
said that about the
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.509
evil I think that we really love to talk
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:53.549
about
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:58.629
Joy um so that would be we I would like
00:30:58.639 --> 00:31:01.029
to real quick trans family dinner date
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:02.629
oh yes um if you're listening you can go
00:31:02.639 --> 00:31:04.350
to kis coalition.com
00:31:04.360 --> 00:31:06.389
tfd you can sign up through our
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00:31:07.919 --> 00:31:10.190
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00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:11.470
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00:31:13.159 --> 00:31:14.070
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00:31:14.080 --> 00:31:15.230
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00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:16.710
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00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:18.430
know we can keep a safe space we're also
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:20.509
going to be having one on Easter this
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:22.190
year on April 20th and there's another
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:23.430
one in March but I don't have the date
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:24.389
right off the top of my head so I really
00:31:24.399 --> 00:31:25.629
apologize it's going to be the third
00:31:25.639 --> 00:31:27.549
Sunday in March we have one of those
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:29.029
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00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:35.230
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00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:36.549
many as we can and that these are the
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:38.549
our spaces where we create joy and
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:40.629
everyone loves each other and it's such
00:31:40.639 --> 00:31:44.350
a like it's such a happy I mean like
00:31:44.360 --> 00:31:46.269
it's just so like it's just I mean Hello
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.190
food food makes you happy and then being
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.549
around people that you love makes you
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.190
happy so it is a very joyful
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:58.149
time so Cody what your cue that's my
00:31:58.159 --> 00:32:00.870
queue that's your que we use that
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.590
joy to defeat hate cuz trans Joy will
00:32:04.600 --> 00:32:09.430
always defeat hate maybe not right away
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:12.070
but but like a stream surely it will
00:32:12.080 --> 00:32:16.350
erode all the mountains of ha yes thank
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