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Hello everyone. Welcome to a very short little snippet special edition of Talking Products.
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It's Election Day. It's Thursday the 4th of July 2024 and Britain has officially gone to the polls.
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Now hopefully we've been keeping you company over the last few weeks, taking you through the manifestos,
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having a bit of a laugh along the way. I'm here with Sean. Hi.
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And we're just going to do a little bit of a quick roundup for you and review a few things before sending you on your way to the ballot boxes, right?
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So Sean, there was a few bits that we couldn't fit into the manifesto specials that we wanted to throw in, but we didn't want you not to hear them.
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Definitely. There was a couple of little bits that didn't really fit into any of the categories, wasn't there?
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And Sean has very effectively put these under the title of Areas the Parties Receive a Lot of Scrutiny for, brackets AOB.
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Yeah, it was sort of big things that when you think about these parties that these sort of things pop up and you know, what do they do for these people?
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Or what's their stance on this? Or you see it in the media a lot. So I thought these might be a few bits.
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Good. OK, so we'll start with Lib Dems. There's really only one thing with the Lib Dems and that is that they want to fix the relationship with Europe,
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building a new partnership and looking to conclude a comprehensive agreement with the EU. Basically, we join.
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Yeah, so long term ambition to rejoin the EU. They know it's not going to be a straightforward process and that it won't happen overnight.
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They know it won't happen in the next parliament. So they've not said we'll rejoin the EU in the next parliament.
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Yeah. But the long term ambition is still there.
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Yeah, which I mean, we expected that from the Liberals. We kind of expected it from the Greens as well.
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But I don't think that they've said anything. They've said they want to rejoin the customs market.
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Yeah, they've been quite vocal on that. Cool. Now, the Tories, a couple of interesting points.
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They want to ban mobile phones in schools. They're also bringing in the new model of national service,
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which we did touch on. Yes. This was about this was more of their focus.
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So they get a lot of stick about what they do for the young people. Yeah.
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And these so this is when when the Tories in this campaign have been asked, what do you do for young people?
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This is a couple of the things that they come up with, whether you see them as a benefit for young people or not,
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it's a different matter because certain young people don't see them as great.
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I think banning mobile phones in schools is a good idea. Yeah.
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So obviously, the Lib Dems, that's where they receive the most scrutiny is Brexit. Tories as the young people.
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Labour, again, is going to be Brexit. Yeah, because they've been they've as the media would say, they flip flop on it.
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They do flip flop. Good old flip flop star.
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Now, they have said that they do want to keep themselves out of the EU, but they do want to deepen their ties with the EU.
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This does not mean a return to the single market customs union or freedom of movement agreement.
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They do want to introduce a new trade agreement to reduce the cost of food, help touring artists
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and secure mutual recognition for professional qualifications.
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Touring artists, I just imagine people walking around with like an easel.
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Or something. They mean like that musicians going on tour.
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That's what I mean. So, yeah, I mean, new trade agreements, cost of food, touring artists, secured mutual recognition for professional qualifications.
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Yeah, I mean, it's about it's just about working with our closest partners.
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You know, there are close partners in terms of history. Yes.
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Now, the Green Party, the area that they receive the most scrutiny for is funding,
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and they have openly admitted that they will have to borrow 350 billion over the parliament.
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Yeah, which it's an interesting figure because that is how much Covid borrowing cost.
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So the amount, the total amount that the UK government borrowed to pay for not spent on, but borrowed for to pay for Covid.
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Yeah. Was 350 billion pounds.
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So they want to borrow the equivalent of what we did in Covid.
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They want to borrow a pandemic.
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Parliament to be able to pay for their plans.
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Wow. And how are we going to pay that back?
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Well, if you win.
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But if you look at the graphs that have been produced about the overall tax burdens,
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the Greens have the highest overall tax burden from their manifesto of all of the parties by a substantial amount.
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I think it's around four percent higher than even the Lib Dems, who were about half percent higher than Labour.
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So it's it's quite a jump.
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Yeah. And still 350 billion pounds of borrowing.
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Reform, obviously, the scrutiny here is always going to be their right wing policies.
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So, you know, just to name a couple, banning transgender ideology in primary and secondary schools, abandoning the Windsor framework.
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Yeah. So it would take us into a no deal Brexit.
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Which would take us into a no deal Brexit and protecting country sports.
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And that's hunting, hunting game hunting.
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Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah. I mean, all of the posh, tawtish sports.
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Yeah, basically stuff that is actually stuff that Nigel likes to do on a weekend, basically stuff that's actually been banned now.
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Yeah. One other thing that we wanted to touch on as well, that, again, it didn't really fit in anywhere, was proportional representation.
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Now, this has been spoken about a lot given reforms sort of jump up in the polls and support for smaller parties growing.
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Now, we did have a referendum on this in 2014.
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If I remember correctly, was it 2014 or was that was that Indy ref?
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So Indy ref was 2015. So I believe it was 2014.
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So we did, we had a referendum on it. We voted to stay with the first pass, the post system.
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It was, yeah. Quite a close call.
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Unsurprisingly here, there is a bit of a running theme.
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The big parties say no to proportional representation and the smaller parties say yes. Shock.
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So, live Dems green reform or say yes. Tories, Labour say no.
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And that fits with, you know, the people.
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But we're not in a two party system, Sean. We're not in a two party system.
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The thing is it fits with the fact that if we go to proportional representation, the Tories and Labour will lose out.
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Massively.
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Live Dems green and reform would gain massively.
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So that is why it is such an obvious split between them.
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And it's probably the only thing that the Tories and Labour have agreed on in the last God knows how long.
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Yeah, definitely.
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But funnily enough, Labour do want to reduce the voting age to 16.
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Which I don't know if that would necessarily help or hinder them.
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I think a lot of young people would gravitate towards green.
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I don't know if I agree with it.
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Thinking about it from when I was 16 years old and I've always been quite good with politics and had quite a good understanding.
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But I don't know if I understood it fully enough when I was 16.
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I've had to be in the world a few years.
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Like as an adult, you know, it's all well and good being at school and learning at school.
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But you don't learn what it's like to live in the real world until you're there.
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And you've got debts and there's bills and that.
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So I don't know if that is a good idea or not.
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I don't know if I would have been ready to vote at 16.
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Yeah. And one more area that we wanted to cover.
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Meg, if you're listening, this is for you.
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OK.
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Light Cobra.
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Just for our friend, Meg.
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We haven't really spoken much about Wales because it's it's it's fairly obvious that it's going to be labor or Tory.
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That's going to be right.
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Pride Pride Cobra.
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I think they've got about one percent.
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They've got a very small.
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They've got seats and they are projected to win seats.
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More seats than they have now anyway.
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They're projected to get.
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I think they're projected to get four.
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I can't remember the number.
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I know they're projected to knock out one of the cabinet.
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Wow. So.
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Well, yeah.
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So just to just to run through a couple of quinks quickly just for you, Meg.
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Fair funding for Wales, which is, of course, four billion additional investment, which is owed from HS2 to improve Wales, improve in Wales public transport.
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Demand a fair funding system for Wales based around need.
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Ensure fair funding for Westminster, allowing recruitment of 500 GPs, introduce a new cancer strategy, increasing child benefit by £20 a week,
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take 60,000 children out of poverty in Wales, increasing windfall taxes and devolving the crown estate to Wales.
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And the point of this is just to highlight the devolving the Crown Estate to Wales.
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Now, is there first step at an independent Wales?
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Yeah, but an independent Wales is just not going to happen.
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They don't have if Wales became independent, they would probably be one of the smallest nations on the planet in terms of economy and GDP.
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They wouldn't be able to fund their own services.
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That's that's they know they would still have to.
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That's why they need to devolve the Crown Estate to Wales so they can start earning money, money, money, money, money, money.
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Everything revolves around money.
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Unsurprisingly, as well, time from a very up proportional representation.
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Oh, yeah, they love it.
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OK, I think that concludes Talking Pollock's Manifesto Destiny clean up.
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It does, I think.
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We've mentioned everything.
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I kind of said that I might give you an answer on who I'm going to vote for.
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Are you made up?
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The honest answer is I still haven't decided.
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So, OK, so from listening back over the Manifesto Destiny specials,
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I have at the end of each episode, you have given a party that you think did best.
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Yeah.
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You want to know who out of all of the parties you picked the most?
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I picked the Tories the most.
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I know that for a fact.
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You did.
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Yeah.
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Now, that could just mean that their manifesto is speaking to me more than anyone else's.
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But we need to be careful there because we know that the Tory manifesto was a kitchen sink.
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They threw everything at it.
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Labour's manifesto, while a little bit more realistic, I, on a personal level, just don't agree with their policies.
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That much.
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However, the position that I'm in now,
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currently in the process of trying to buy a house and stuff like that,
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Labour's policies are speaking to me for where I am right now to get me through the next five years.
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The problem that I see with that is the hidden tax rises.
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There's got to be something they're not telling us.
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And that's my concern.
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Yeah, definitely.
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I will probably still be undecided until I get to the ballot box at the library tomorrow.
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OK, OK.
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I am pretty confident in who I'm voting for.
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We might do a reveal.
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We might.
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We might do a reveal.
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Look out for the cute picture of us at the polling station.
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On Twitter.
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Yeah, that's a mandatory thing people do, isn't it?
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You have to have a picture of the polling station.
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You have to.
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It has to be done.
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All right.
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One more thing.
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And it goes without saying, if you've listened to this many episodes,
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this isn't really an instruction that we should be giving right now.
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But remember, your vote is the only thing that the government gives you for free.
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It's your democratic right.
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It's what makes us a great free nation.
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You get to decide which fuckwits lives at number 10.
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Please don't waste it.
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Don't not go.
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Even if you went and spoiled your ballot, if you disagree with it all that much,
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exercise your right.
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The government ain't going to give you any fucker else for free.
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Right?
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Use it.
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Hopefully what we've spoken about on this has helped you.
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I hope that we've had a bit of fun along the way.
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We'll continue doing a we'll continue recording a podcast every Wednesday
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so we can listen to PMQs and then we can talk shit about it.
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On the podcast.
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It wasn't for that.
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It goes without saying, thank you for listening.
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It's been a long road.
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I feel like we've been doing this for three weeks now, Sean.
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Oh, wait.
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We have.
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Crazy.
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We've also got Twitter or X, quiff at quiffenshawn.
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And please don't forget as well that we're doing a Talking Pollocks live
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on our Twitch channel.
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On Friday, the 5th of July, we'll go through the results of the election
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that will be in.
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Hopefully we should have most of the results in by then.
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Have you seen just on the back of that, have you seen the announcement times
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that the timetable has come out?
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And of course, Sunderland is vying to be the number one.
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Well, yeah, of course.
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At 11.45 PM.
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It's the...
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They're the record holder.
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The myth...
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Newcastle and Sunderland have a battle about it.
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Well, there's a myth that they have a bit of a battle.
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They do have a battle.
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They do.
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Yeah, interesting to see if that holds up.
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There's a couple of other constituencies that could be involved in that as well.
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But all is to play for.
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All is to play for.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this has been Manifesto Destiny.
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Have fun.
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Good luck.
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Please vote.
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And we'll see you on the other side.
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Love you, bye.
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Love you, bye.
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Don't forget to vote. Love you, bye.
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Hello everyone. Welcome to a very short little snippet special edition of Talking Products.
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It's Election Day. It's Thursday the 4th of July 2024 and Britain has officially gone to the polls.
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Now hopefully we've been keeping you company over the last few weeks, taking you through the manifestos,
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having a bit of a laugh along the way. I'm here with Sean. Hi.
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And we're just going to do a little bit of a quick roundup for you and review a few things before sending you on your way to the ballot boxes, right?
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So Sean, there was a few bits that we couldn't fit into the manifesto specials that we wanted to throw in, but we didn't want you not to hear them.
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Definitely. There was a couple of little bits that didn't really fit into any of the categories, wasn't there?
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And Sean has very effectively put these under the title of Areas the Parties Receive a Lot of Scrutiny for, brackets AOB.
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Yeah, it was sort of big things that when you think about these parties that these sort of things pop up and you know, what do they do for these people?
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Or what's their stance on this? Or you see it in the media a lot. So I thought these might be a few bits.
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Good. OK, so we'll start with Lib Dems. There's really only one thing with the Lib Dems and that is that they want to fix the relationship with Europe,
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building a new partnership and looking to conclude a comprehensive agreement with the EU. Basically, we join.
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Yeah, so long term ambition to rejoin the EU. They know it's not going to be a straightforward process and that it won't happen overnight.
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They know it won't happen in the next parliament. So they've not said we'll rejoin the EU in the next parliament.
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Yeah. But the long term ambition is still there.
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Yeah, which I mean, we expected that from the Liberals. We kind of expected it from the Greens as well.
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But I don't think that they've said anything. They've said they want to rejoin the customs market.
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Yeah, they've been quite vocal on that. Cool. Now, the Tories, a couple of interesting points.
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They want to ban mobile phones in schools. They're also bringing in the new model of national service,
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which we did touch on. Yes. This was about this was more of their focus.
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So they get a lot of stick about what they do for the young people. Yeah.
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And these so this is when when the Tories in this campaign have been asked, what do you do for young people?
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This is a couple of the things that they come up with, whether you see them as a benefit for young people or not,
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it's a different matter because certain young people don't see them as great.
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I think banning mobile phones in schools is a good idea. Yeah.
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So obviously, the Lib Dems, that's where they receive the most scrutiny is Brexit. Tories as the young people.
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Labour, again, is going to be Brexit. Yeah, because they've been they've as the media would say, they flip flop on it.
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They do flip flop. Good old flip flop star.
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Now, they have said that they do want to keep themselves out of the EU, but they do want to deepen their ties with the EU.
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This does not mean a return to the single market customs union or freedom of movement agreement.
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and secure mutual recognition for professional qualifications.
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Touring artists, I just imagine people walking around with like an easel.
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Or something. They mean like that musicians going on tour.
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That's what I mean. So, yeah, I mean, new trade agreements, cost of food, touring artists, secured mutual recognition for professional qualifications.
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Yeah, I mean, it's about it's just about working with our closest partners.
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You know, there are close partners in terms of history. Yes.
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Now, the Green Party, the area that they receive the most scrutiny for is funding,
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and they have openly admitted that they will have to borrow 350 billion over the parliament.
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Yeah, which it's an interesting figure because that is how much Covid borrowing cost.
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So the amount, the total amount that the UK government borrowed to pay for not spent on, but borrowed for to pay for Covid.
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So they want to borrow the equivalent of what we did in Covid.
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They want to borrow a pandemic.
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Parliament to be able to pay for their plans.
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Wow. And how are we going to pay that back?
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Well, if you win.
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But if you look at the graphs that have been produced about the overall tax burdens,
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the Greens have the highest overall tax burden from their manifesto of all of the parties by a substantial amount.
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I think it's around four percent higher than even the Lib Dems, who were about half percent higher than Labour.
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So it's it's quite a jump.
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Yeah. And still 350 billion pounds of borrowing.
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Reform, obviously, the scrutiny here is always going to be their right wing policies.
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So, you know, just to name a couple, banning transgender ideology in primary and secondary schools, abandoning the Windsor framework.
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Yeah. So it would take us into a no deal Brexit.
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Which would take us into a no deal Brexit and protecting country sports.
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And that's hunting, hunting game hunting.
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Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah. I mean, all of the posh, tawtish sports.
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Yeah, basically stuff that is actually stuff that Nigel likes to do on a weekend, basically stuff that's actually been banned now.
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Yeah. One other thing that we wanted to touch on as well, that, again, it didn't really fit in anywhere, was proportional representation.
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Now, this has been spoken about a lot given reforms sort of jump up in the polls and support for smaller parties growing.
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Now, we did have a referendum on this in 2014.
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If I remember correctly, was it 2014 or was that was that Indy ref?
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So Indy ref was 2015. So I believe it was 2014.
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So we did, we had a referendum on it. We voted to stay with the first pass, the post system.
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It was, yeah. Quite a close call.
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Unsurprisingly here, there is a bit of a running theme.
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The big parties say no to proportional representation and the smaller parties say yes. Shock.
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So, live Dems green reform or say yes. Tories, Labour say no.
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And that fits with, you know, the people.
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But we're not in a two party system, Sean. We're not in a two party system.
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The thing is it fits with the fact that if we go to proportional representation, the Tories and Labour will lose out.
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Massively.
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Live Dems green and reform would gain massively.
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So that is why it is such an obvious split between them.
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And it's probably the only thing that the Tories and Labour have agreed on in the last God knows how long.
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But funnily enough, Labour do want to reduce the voting age to 16.
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I don't know if I agree with it.
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Thinking about it from when I was 16 years old and I've always been quite good with politics and had quite a good understanding.
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But I don't know if I understood it fully enough when I was 16.
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I've had to be in the world a few years.
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Like as an adult, you know, it's all well and good being at school and learning at school.
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But you don't learn what it's like to live in the real world until you're there.
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And you've got debts and there's bills and that.
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So I don't know if that is a good idea or not.
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I don't know if I would have been ready to vote at 16.
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Yeah. And one more area that we wanted to cover.
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Meg, if you're listening, this is for you.
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Light Cobra.
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Just for our friend, Meg.
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We haven't really spoken much about Wales because it's it's it's fairly obvious that it's going to be labor or Tory.
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That's going to be right.
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Pride Pride Cobra.
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I think they've got about one percent.
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They've got a very small.
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They've got seats and they are projected to win seats.
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More seats than they have now anyway.
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They're projected to get.
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I think they're projected to get four.
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I can't remember the number.
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I know they're projected to knock out one of the cabinet.
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Wow. So.
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Well, yeah.
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So just to just to run through a couple of quinks quickly just for you, Meg.
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Fair funding for Wales, which is, of course, four billion additional investment, which is owed from HS2 to improve Wales, improve in Wales public transport.
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Demand a fair funding system for Wales based around need.
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Ensure fair funding for Westminster, allowing recruitment of 500 GPs, introduce a new cancer strategy, increasing child benefit by £20 a week,
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take 60,000 children out of poverty in Wales, increasing windfall taxes and devolving the crown estate to Wales.
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And the point of this is just to highlight the devolving the Crown Estate to Wales.
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Now, is there first step at an independent Wales?
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Yeah, but an independent Wales is just not going to happen.
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They don't have if Wales became independent, they would probably be one of the smallest nations on the planet in terms of economy and GDP.
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They wouldn't be able to fund their own services.
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That's that's they know they would still have to.
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That's why they need to devolve the Crown Estate to Wales so they can start earning money, money, money, money, money, money.
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Everything revolves around money.
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Unsurprisingly, as well, time from a very up proportional representation.
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Oh, yeah, they love it.
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OK, I think that concludes Talking Pollock's Manifesto Destiny clean up.
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It does, I think.
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We've mentioned everything.
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I kind of said that I might give you an answer on who I'm going to vote for.
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Are you made up?
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The honest answer is I still haven't decided.
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So, OK, so from listening back over the Manifesto Destiny specials,
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I have at the end of each episode, you have given a party that you think did best.
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Yeah.
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You want to know who out of all of the parties you picked the most?
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I picked the Tories the most.
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I know that for a fact.
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You did.
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Now, that could just mean that their manifesto is speaking to me more than anyone else's.
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But we need to be careful there because we know that the Tory manifesto was a kitchen sink.
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They threw everything at it.
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Labour's manifesto, while a little bit more realistic, I, on a personal level, just don't agree with their policies.
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That much.
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However, the position that I'm in now,
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currently in the process of trying to buy a house and stuff like that,
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Labour's policies are speaking to me for where I am right now to get me through the next five years.
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The problem that I see with that is the hidden tax rises.
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There's got to be something they're not telling us.
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And that's my concern.
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Yeah, definitely.
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I will probably still be undecided until I get to the ballot box at the library tomorrow.
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OK, OK.
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I am pretty confident in who I'm voting for.
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We might do a reveal.
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We might.
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We might do a reveal.
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Look out for the cute picture of us at the polling station.
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On Twitter.
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Yeah, that's a mandatory thing people do, isn't it?
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You have to have a picture of the polling station.
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You have to.
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It has to be done.
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All right.
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One more thing.
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And it goes without saying, if you've listened to this many episodes,
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this isn't really an instruction that we should be giving right now.
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But remember, your vote is the only thing that the government gives you for free.
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It's your democratic right.
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It's what makes us a great free nation.
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You get to decide which fuckwits lives at number 10.
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Please don't waste it.
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Don't not go.
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Even if you went and spoiled your ballot, if you disagree with it all that much,
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exercise your right.
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The government ain't going to give you any fucker else for free.
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Right?
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Use it.
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Hopefully what we've spoken about on this has helped you.
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I hope that we've had a bit of fun along the way.
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We'll continue doing a we'll continue recording a podcast every Wednesday
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so we can listen to PMQs and then we can talk shit about it.
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On the podcast.
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It wasn't for that.
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It goes without saying, thank you for listening.
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It's been a long road.
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I feel like we've been doing this for three weeks now, Sean.
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Oh, wait.
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We have.
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Crazy.
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We've also got Twitter or X, quiff at quiffenshawn.
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And please don't forget as well that we're doing a Talking Pollocks live
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On Friday, the 5th of July, we'll go through the results of the election
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that will be in.
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Hopefully we should have most of the results in by then.
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Have you seen just on the back of that, have you seen the announcement times
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that the timetable has come out?
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And of course, Sunderland is vying to be the number one.
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Well, yeah, of course.
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At 11.45 PM.
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It's the...
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They're the record holder.
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The myth...
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Newcastle and Sunderland have a battle about it.
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Well, there's a myth that they have a bit of a battle.
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They do have a battle.
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They do.
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Yeah, interesting to see if that holds up.
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There's a couple of other constituencies that could be involved in that as well.
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But all is to play for.
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All is to play for.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this has been Manifesto Destiny.
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Have fun.
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Good luck.
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Please vote.
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And we'll see you on the other side.
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Love you, bye.
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Love you, bye.
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Don't forget to vote. Love you, bye.
