Talking Pollocks! Manifesto Destiny - Episode 8: Police, Crime & Justice

1
00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000
Right, is your microphone on?
2
00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:02,500
Yes.
3
00:00:02,500 --> 00:00:03,500
Right, okay.
4
00:00:03,500 --> 00:00:04,500
It is working.
5
00:00:04,500 --> 00:00:06,500
Did you check? Actually this time?
6
00:00:06,500 --> 00:00:10,500
It is actually working. If you look up there you can see it bouncing up and down.
7
00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:32,000
Right, let's go then.
8
00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:39,000
Hello everybody and welcome to the final Manifesto Destiny number 8, Police, Crime and Justice.
9
00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,000
Now before we start, you might have heard mine and Sean's little spat there.
10
00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,000
Sean, would you care to tell the people what happened yesterday?
11
00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,000
Don't look at me like that, tell them.
12
00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000
Come on, spit it out. What happened?
13
00:00:52,000 --> 00:01:03,000
So we may have recorded this yesterday, however, my microphone was not on for some reason.
14
00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,000
No it wasn't, was it?
15
00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:10,000
No, no it wasn't, for some strange reason my microphone wasn't on.
16
00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,000
So yeah, we have to record this again.
17
00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:23,000
So this is the second time that we've recorded Police, Crime and Justice, so we're going to have to try and remember everything funny that we said now.
18
00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,000
I know.
19
00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000
You've made more work for us.
20
00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,000
We should be much slicker because I've written down the talking points that I made last time.
21
00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,000
Oh good.
22
00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:38,000
That I couldn't remember in the recording, so we should be a bit sleeker.
23
00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,000
Anyway, welcome everybody to Talking Pollocks, it's the last in our Manifesto series.
24
00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,000
This one's going to be coming out late on Wednesday evening.
25
00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,000
Indeed it is.
26
00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,000
With a quick public service announcement to follow, as promised.
27
00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,000
We're going to be discussing Police, Crime and Justice at the Manifesto's this time.
28
00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,000
We'll probably do a little bit of a round up at the end.
29
00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:02,000
We'll see, probably in the PSA, who...
30
00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000
Maybe I've come to a decision who I'm going to vote for, maybe I haven't.
31
00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,000
Maybe you've come to a decision.
32
00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000
Maybe you have, at home.
33
00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,000
Maybe you haven't yet.
34
00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,000
Maybe you're going to throw milkshakes on people.
35
00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,000
Don't do that.
36
00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,000
Don't do that.
37
00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,000
Really don't do that.
38
00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,000
No throwing milkshakes on people.
39
00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,000
We've talked about this.
40
00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,000
Stop it.
41
00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,000
Get some help.
42
00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,000
Get some.
43
00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,000
Get some.
44
00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,000
Right.
45
00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000
Hopping straight in, Sean.
46
00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,000
Where did we start?
47
00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,000
We started straight at the top.
48
00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,000
Lib Dems.
49
00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,000
Lib Dems, right.
50
00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,000
OK.
51
00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,000
I mean, it was brilliant because it was just 25 minutes of me talking to myself before you
52
00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,000
realised that your microphone wasn't working, wasn't it?
53
00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,000
Yes, yes it was.
54
00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,000
Yes.
55
00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,000
Yes.
56
00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,000
Well, I'm sure the people at home would enjoy that very much.
57
00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,000
They do value your opinion, Sean.
58
00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,000
So...
59
00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,000
Well, I'm glad to hear that.
60
00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,000
I'm glad to hear.
61
00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,000
All right then.
62
00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,000
The Lib Dems.
63
00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,000
I noticed that this section is quite large, Sean.
64
00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:54,000
The Police, Crime and Justice is quite large, but it is quite a broad area, you know.
65
00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,000
The policing and crime and justice, you know, it covers quite a lot, you know.
66
00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,000
Big crimes to little crimes.
67
00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,000
Big crimes to little crimes.
68
00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,000
Is there such a thing as medium crime?
69
00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,000
There is medium crimes.
70
00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000
We've got three types of crimes in this country.
71
00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,000
Oh, OK.
72
00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,000
Explain them.
73
00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,000
So...
74
00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,000
Oh, Jesus Christ.
75
00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,000
So you've got...
76
00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,000
I'm making him work for it today, everyone.
77
00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,000
I can't remember the lowest one.
78
00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,000
Summary offence.
79
00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,000
That's a summary offence.
80
00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,000
OK.
81
00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,000
So they're sort of the lowest.
82
00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,000
You should kind of know this, considering, you know, you're doing a law degree.
83
00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,000
So they're the lowest offences.
84
00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,000
You've then got triable either way.
85
00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,000
So they're the middle crimes.
86
00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,000
So the reason they're triable either way.
87
00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,000
So all summary offences are heard in the magistrates' court.
88
00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:46,000
Triable either way can be heard either in the magistrates' court or in the Crown Court.
89
00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:52,000
So depending on the crime itself, it will be determined by a magistrate that needs to go to the Crown Court.
90
00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000
Oh, OK.
91
00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000
Well, let's see what the depth of the court is.
92
00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000
And then we've got indictments.
93
00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,000
Indictments, well, yeah.
94
00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,000
They're like murder and stuff.
95
00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,000
That's like the worst of the worst.
96
00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,000
Yeah, that's like rape, murder.
97
00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,000
Indictments are...
98
00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,000
Yeah, it's an Americanism.
99
00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,000
Do you know, fun fact, I used to think that that word was said, indictment.
100
00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,000
Indictment.
101
00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000
Yeah, I did, yeah.
102
00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,000
It's spelled, I suppose.
103
00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,000
I mean, yeah, why put the C in there if you don't say it, right?
104
00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000
Exactly.
105
00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,000
Anyway, right, the Lib Dems, they want to, first of all, restore community policing.
106
00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000
What is this?
107
00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:37,000
So this is focusing police powers in the community, you know, making the police more visible within the community, making them work with the community.
108
00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:43,000
So for some reason, this isn't something that I've experienced, but I seem to remember you mentioning something about knowing your local police officer when you lived in the South, right?
109
00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:49,000
Yeah, so this is actually that was something that we spoke about when we were discussing Labour.
110
00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:55,000
But I used when I was a kid, I always knew, we always knew who our police officer was.
111
00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,000
It was PC James Fox.
112
00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,000
Hi, James Fox.
113
00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000
Hi, James Fox.
114
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,000
I believe we discussed that he was quite an attractive man at the time.
115
00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,000
Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow.
116
00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:11,000
But yeah, so it's about having police officers visible in the community.
117
00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,000
Visible enough for you to see their hotness, apparently.
118
00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,000
Apparently, wow, yeah, you need to be able to judge that, right?
119
00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000
Never do a podcast with your fiance, everyone.
120
00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,000
Why not?
121
00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000
You get jealous.
122
00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:29,000
Creating a statutory guarantee that all burglaries will be attended and properly investigated by the police.
123
00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,000
Now, while I do agree that that is something that we should be doing anyway.
124
00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,000
Yes.
125
00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:43,000
It's going to be a lot of resource and you know, what if they're attending a burglary and because there's a statutory guarantee now that all burglaries will be attended.
126
00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,000
If someone's been murdered around the corner.
127
00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,000
Yeah.
128
00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,000
Hang on.
129
00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,000
Sorry, there's a burglary. I've got to go and get that.
130
00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,000
Someone's had their watch stolen.
131
00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,000
Yeah.
132
00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,000
Are they going to make that?
133
00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,000
They need to be.
134
00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,000
What's the president's?
135
00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,000
A priority order, of course.
136
00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000
I'm sure there already. I'm sure there is.
137
00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000
And there's people at home going, they're talking nonsense.
138
00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:05,000
But introducing this statutory guarantee, what are the repercussions if that's not met?
139
00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:10,000
You know, you're talking about this legal right.
140
00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000
Whose responsibility is it to make sure that it's attended?
141
00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,000
Exactly.
142
00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,000
Is it the local officer? Is it the sergeant? Is it command?
143
00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,000
Who is responsible for making sure that it is attended?
144
00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:28,000
And more importantly, who gets the punishment if it's not attended and not investigated?
145
00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,000
Exactly. And that's the difficulty because the resource just isn't there.
146
00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000
Yeah.
147
00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000
And that's the problem.
148
00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,000
Unfortunately.
149
00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,000
They want to continue investing in the criminal justice system to tackle court backlogs.
150
00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000
Now, the Tories are doing this anyway.
151
00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,000
Of course, all the parties want to do this. Everyone realizes that there is a backlog.
152
00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,000
The current government are doing this anyway.
153
00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000
Now, there is a massive court backlog.
154
00:06:48,000 --> 00:07:00,000
I used to think that this was because high profile cases get heard way sooner than the small ones.
155
00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,000
Which is why there's such a massive backlog.
156
00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,000
They kind of do, in a sense.
157
00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:14,000
But that's because the high profile trials are of more heinous crimes, more dangerous crimes that pose a risk to the population.
158
00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:24,000
So they need to be heard sooner to ensure that if they are guilty, that they are taken off the streets to prevent that happening again.
159
00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,000
So, you know, murder needs to be... someone's going to try for murder before shot.
160
00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,000
It's a priority, isn't it?
161
00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:37,000
It is, yeah. Because there's that duty of public protection that the criminal justice system has.
162
00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,000
And then tackling court... to tackle the court backlogs, they're huge.
163
00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,000
And this has probably got something to do with the reason why the prisons are so full. Right?
164
00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:50,000
Well, you know, that is a symptom at the end of the day.
165
00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000
The problem is, crime is going up.
166
00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:58,000
So that's why there is so many cases going through the court system.
167
00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,000
Because more and more people are being convicted of crimes.
168
00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:09,000
And then the governments are introducing new crime bills and new sentencing bills to extend prison terms and introduce new crimes.
169
00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,000
Which is all good stuff.
170
00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,000
It's all needed, but it adds to the pressures on the system.
171
00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,000
When you're not investing in the prison system...
172
00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,000
Sorry, by the way, if you can hear a huffy dog in the background.
173
00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,000
We don't normally start doing these things until half seven, but we have to start a little bit earlier.
174
00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,000
So he's huffy that he's lost half an hour of dash time.
175
00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,000
Yeah, he's huffy.
176
00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:37,000
They also want to improve rehabilitation in prisons and on release, while strengthening the supervision of offenders.
177
00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,000
I'm guessing this is things like tagging and stuff like that.
178
00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,000
But again, it goes back to that you need to invest in the prison system.
179
00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,000
They're saying it's really costly. Put a number on it, Ed. Come on.
180
00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000
Yeah, so obviously...
181
00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,000
How much are you going to put... How much are you going to invest?
182
00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,000
How much are you going to invest? If I can get my bloody words out, jeez!
183
00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,000
How much are you going to invest to improve rehabilitation?
184
00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,000
What are the rehabilitation methods?
185
00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,000
They have costed, they say, but they haven't...
186
00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:05,000
There's no... There is some detail, but not very much meat on the bone.
187
00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,000
It's a pillar of our justice system, of our prison system.
188
00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:14,000
When you're convicted of a crime, you are supposed to be rehabilitated by the prison system.
189
00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,000
You're not put in there to rot. That's not the point of prison.
190
00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:23,000
Exactly. Unlike, you know, America, for example, they have the biggest prison problem in the world.
191
00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,000
Yes, they really do. They really do.
192
00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,000
So, you know...
193
00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000
But we have...
194
00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:36,000
It's money. It's all money. And the problem is, for parties talking about this,
195
00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,000
I'm very much a believer in, OK, you've committed a crime.
196
00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,000
There are certain crimes that are unforgivable and you should receive a life sentence for.
197
00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,000
That doesn't mean you can't be rehabilitated.
198
00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000
Which is exactly...
199
00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,000
But you will be rehabilitated in a six by four box.
200
00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,000
Which is exactly... Well, we do have... Obviously, we have life sentences.
201
00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:59,000
But life sentences start at 15 years and can go for full life sentences...
202
00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,000
Or full life sentences.
203
00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,000
Society forgets about prisoners because they are locked in a six by four box.
204
00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,000
I don't believe that. We do have a responsibility for them.
205
00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,000
Yes, they've done wrong.
206
00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,000
But I'm a big believer in apologies.
207
00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,000
And working to put yourself right.
208
00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:22,000
And the problem that the political parties have is they can't talk about this or mention it much because...
209
00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,000
It's not a vote winner.
210
00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000
It's not a vote winner.
211
00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000
It's not a vote winner.
212
00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:30,000
If you're reading a manifesto that says, right, we're going to give prisoners fucking Sunday dinner every week.
213
00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:37,000
And they're going to get margaritas with little umbrellas that will make the ends not pointy to make sure it's safe on the little umbrella that you get.
214
00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,000
People just go, no.
215
00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:47,000
That's the thing. If you put big numbers into prisons, then you're not going to be...
216
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,000
That money could be used elsewhere and that's what people will look at.
217
00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,000
Well, actually, you could put that money in the NHS, which benefits the people that aren't in prison.
218
00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000
Yeah.
219
00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,000
And that is an argument. Don't get me wrong.
220
00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:05,000
But we still have to be able to, you know, house prisoners. We have too many prisoners to house.
221
00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,000
What are we going to do when we are arresting people?
222
00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,000
Where are we going to put them?
223
00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,000
We can't keep them in lock up in a police station because they haven't got the facility.
224
00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:18,000
We're running out of space because prisons are 104 percent capacity.
225
00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,000
That's lock up as well in a field.
226
00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,000
That's the four percent.
227
00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,000
So where do we put prisoners now?
228
00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,000
That's the question that's facing police forces and the government.
229
00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,000
Strengthening the supervision of offenders, this is going to be just more rigorous tagging, I imagine.
230
00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,000
More rigorous tagging, I guess.
231
00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:40,000
The probation service invest in the probation service, get more officers, more probation officers in that.
232
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,000
Strengthen them services.
233
00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:48,000
And obviously, the probation service is in charge of rehabilitation on the outside, so obviously there's investment there needed.
234
00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,000
Yeah. Fair enough. I like that.
235
00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,000
And one final note from the Lib Dems.
236
00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:59,000
They want to properly support survivors of violence against women and girls during the criminal justice process,
237
00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:04,000
including mandatory training for police and prosecutors to understand the impact of trauma.
238
00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,000
This kind of relates to Brianna Gay, right?
239
00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,000
Yeah, so this goes back to quite a lot of high profile cases that we've had recently.
240
00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,000
Brianna Gay is one of them.
241
00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:24,000
We also had the Nottingham attacks where police officers were laughing and joking and taking the mick out of the victims potentially and their families,
242
00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:32,000
which is absolutely awful for the families, especially when they're going through such a difficult time anyway.
243
00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:40,000
Yeah. And so I like this because, you know, when you think about it, right, when you need something,
244
00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,000
you get someone that specialises in that area, right?
245
00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,000
So, for example, if you need a new kitchen, you go to a kitchen shop.
246
00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000
Oh, yeah.
247
00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,000
So somewhere that designs kitchens.
248
00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000
Wouldn't go to a shoe shop, would you?
249
00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:59,000
You wouldn't go to like B&M or ASDA, would you? Right? No.
250
00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:04,000
And in certain cases, you know, if you've got an electrical problem, you wouldn't call a plumber, would you?
251
00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,000
You need someone that's qualified in that area.
252
00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,000
Exactly.
253
00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,000
Right?
254
00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:18,000
So why aren't police officers qualified in specialties, you know, proper qualifications that allow them to say,
255
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,000
yes, I can deal with this? I am specially trained.
256
00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,000
We do have certain specialties within the police service.
257
00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000
There are specialties within the police service, like child, as we know.
258
00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,000
You deal with children, firearms is another one.
259
00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:37,000
So we do have this in place. I think this is going that one step further.
260
00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,000
Yes.
261
00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,000
To try and boost the empathy.
262
00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,000
I don't know how effective training is going to be, though.
263
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:49,000
It's about making sure you have the right people in the right roles.
264
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,000
Yeah.
265
00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:58,000
And, you know, you can always, you can try and train a bigot as much as you like, and they can put on a show and pretend that they're not bigoted.
266
00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,000
But those underlying thoughts are still there.
267
00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000
Yeah.
268
00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:07,000
So that's why it's about, for me, it's more about vetting than training.
269
00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,000
Yes. And I think one of the parties has a point on that a little bit later, doesn't it?
270
00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,000
A few of the parties have a point on it.
271
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,000
OK. Yeah, that can only be a good thing.
272
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,000
Exactly.
273
00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:27,000
But I also think just on the back of that, that whilst it is important to make sure that obviously survivors of this are supported correctly and properly,
274
00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,000
the same needs to go for the officers that respond to this shit, right?
275
00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,000
Oh, yeah, definitely, because they see absolutely harrowing.
276
00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,000
God, yeah, I mean, we've seen it in the last week.
277
00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:42,000
Me and Sean have a family member who is a police officer in a big city in the UK.
278
00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,000
And just recently in the last week, just think back to what he's attended.
279
00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,000
Yeah, because it's been in the media.
280
00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000
It's been in the media.
281
00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:57,000
Even reading the media story, you know, you can get a sense of seeing it there.
282
00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,000
But it's harrowing.
283
00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,000
Yeah.
284
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,000
So you need to make sure that support is there, definitely.
285
00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,000
Yeah, just as much as the survivors need supporting the officers that deal with this,
286
00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,000
because they're going to be dealing with it day in, day out if they specialize in that area,
287
00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,000
because unfortunately, crime is something that will continue and this kind of stuff will continue.
288
00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,000
Oh, yeah, that's always going to be there.
289
00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,000
Yeah.
290
00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,000
Crime is not going to stop, unfortunately, and it's probably going to just continue to get worse.
291
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,000
Exactly.
292
00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,000
So, yeah, I just wanted to mention the police officers definitely as well.
293
00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,000
The supportage needed.
294
00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,000
Yeah, definitely.
295
00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,000
I'm sure they already have a lot of mechanisms in place.
296
00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,000
Probably less than you think.
297
00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,000
You know, it's not going to be, oh, you've got a simply health cash plan.
298
00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,000
It's OK.
299
00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,000
If you need therapy, you can claim back 30% of it with your simply health cash plan.
300
00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,000
When it's right, it's government funded.
301
00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,000
Which government will find out tomorrow?
302
00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,000
Yeah.
303
00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:56,000
OK, so, Lib Dems, I have to say, meh.
304
00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,000
The big thing for me is they're lacking numbers.
305
00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,000
Yeah, fully costed, isn't it?
306
00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:06,000
There's no numbers about how many police officers this is going to take to hire.
307
00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,000
Yeah, I mean, it's a bit meh for me.
308
00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,000
Do you think?
309
00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,000
Yeah.
310
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,000
Considering his whole campaign has been, you know, jumping off shit and driving tractors
311
00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,000
and going down water slides and going to Thorpe Park.
312
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,000
He's literally just been on a British holiday, hasn't he?
313
00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:24,000
He has, because none of that really points to crime and justice, in my opinion.
314
00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,000
No, no.
315
00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,000
So, yeah, it's...
316
00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:32,000
But, again, as I said, it's not a vote winner, so people don't focus on it.
317
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,000
He hasn't focused on it.
318
00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,000
At least for the prisoner side of things.
319
00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,000
I love the fact that they've only mentioned restore community policing.
320
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,000
Make sure that every burglary is investigated by police.
321
00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,000
Where's...
322
00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,000
They're not going to hire any new...
323
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,000
What's the... What are they going to do?
324
00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,000
They're going to use the existing staff resource within the police?
325
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,000
Because let me tell you, it ain't enough.
326
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,000
Right?
327
00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,000
It ain't enough.
328
00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:56,000
Yeah, so there is... You know, there needs to be more detail there.
329
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000
They need numbers.
330
00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,000
And you can't cost something if you don't have any numbers.
331
00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,000
So it's a difficult one to argue.
332
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000
All right, then.
333
00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,000
Yeah, all right, then.
334
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:13,000
Let's move it on swiftly down to Downing Street with the blues.
335
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,000
The incumbent...
336
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,000
The incumbent tenant at Downing Street.
337
00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:22,000
The tenant that currently has maybe 12 or just over 12 and a half hours left.
338
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000
A bit longer than that.
339
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:30,000
I mean, it's a good thing he's got a house in Yorkshire in it because in a couple of days he's not going to have anywhere to live.
340
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,000
Well, he will. He's got enough money.
341
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000
He's richer than the bloody king.
342
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,000
A personal wealth caveat.
343
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,000
It's not as if he couldn't, you know, buy himself a property.
344
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,000
But the king is richer in personality.
345
00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,000
Yeah, exactly.
346
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,000
Who isn't?
347
00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,000
Keir Starmer's not.
348
00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,000
You see, we've done it again.
349
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,000
Now we have to say something bad about Rishi.
350
00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,000
Oh, no, we've not done it.
351
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,000
I did. I said it was impartial.
352
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,000
No, we're fine. We're good. We're impartial. Everything's fine.
353
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,000
Right, moving on to Downing Street.
354
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,000
Yes, to the blues.
355
00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,000
Sean, quick question. Is your microphone still on?
356
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,000
Yes.
357
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,000
Good. Just checking.
358
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:09,000
I was expecting a middle finger or something, but I just got a lovely smile.
359
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:14,000
No, it's fine. I accept that I made a mistake.
360
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,000
Oh, you'd make a really bad politician.
361
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,000
You said the M word.
362
00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,000
I did say the M word, but because I genuinely made a mistake.
363
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,000
Have you said the S word yet? You can never say the S word.
364
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,000
I did in a message. In writing.
365
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,000
Oh, you wrote it down?
366
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000
I wrote it down. I know, quick.
367
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,000
Let's carry on.
368
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,000
The Tories. So they're straight in hot with recruiting 8,000 police officers.
369
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,000
Yeah, they've got a number on it.
370
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,000
They have put a number on it. 8,000 officers.
371
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,000
They also want to give police additional powers, including technology, such as racial recognition.
372
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,000
I'm not a fan of that.
373
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,000
Powers to seize knives and track down stolen property are like those.
374
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,000
How are you going to track down stolen property? Give everyone an air tag? How's that going to work?
375
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:57,000
Magic. They're just the police. These powers that they're giving the police, they're psychic.
376
00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,000
Yeah, maybe the Green Party is going to lend them some wind.
377
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,000
Maybe some wind from the Greens. Yeah, that'll help them track down this property.
378
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:09,000
They also want to legislate to ensure police officers are properly vetted during their service
379
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,000
and sack anyone who fails.
380
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,000
Yeah, so this is something that I think should be happening anyway.
381
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,000
Yeah, I totally agree. Why are we not doing this already?
382
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,000
Why are we just letting Tom, Dick and Harry walk around as police officers?
383
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,000
Officer Tom, Officer Dick and Officer Harry.
384
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,000
Exactly.
385
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000
Police Constable Dick.
386
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,000
Well, his name's actually Police Constable Richard.
387
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,000
Police Constable Richard Dick. Richard Dick.
388
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,000
Dick Dick. Dick Dick.
389
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,000
Ooh, so this actually goes a little bit further than the Lib Dems, doesn't it?
390
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,000
Introducing licensing for specialist roles. Yes.
391
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000
Like it's already in place with firearms officers. Yeah.
392
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000
This is what I think should happen.
393
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:54,000
So this is obviously, so to become a firearms officer you have to undergo rigorous testing, extensive vetting,
394
00:19:54,000 --> 00:20:00,000
like beyond what should be a normal vetting, so there's already vetting in place for firearms officers, obviously.
395
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,000
Yeah.
396
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:07,000
But making sure that specialist roles have that same level of scrutiny put on them.
397
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:13,000
When it comes to dealing with rape and murder crimes, stuff like that.
398
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,000
Right.
399
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:19,000
And again, it's about making sure that the right people are in the right roles.
400
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:25,000
Yep, I agree with all this. Like I said earlier, if you need an electrician, you call a licenced electrician.
401
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,000
Exactly.
402
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:31,000
So if you need specialist support from the police for a certain thing, you should get a specialist officer trained in dealing with that certain thing.
403
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,000
And you should have the confidence that they are the right person.
404
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,000
Yes.
405
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,000
Which is by vetting, that was quite neat.
406
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,000
Yeah, I mean, again, that is something that we should be doing already.
407
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,000
Just to go back to that point, why are we not doing that?
408
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,000
Why are we not doing that? I just don't know.
409
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000
Increasing the use of community payback and electronic tagging.
410
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:56,000
Is this tying in with the national service element?
411
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,000
No.
412
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000
Or is this a different thing?
413
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000
This is a different thing. So it's already used.
414
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:08,000
This is basically community orders, unpaid work, that sort of thing, paying back to the community that you committed your crime in.
415
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,000
And increasing the use of that, I think is a good idea.
416
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:19,000
They do useful stuff in the community. They maintain green spaces and things like that.
417
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:25,000
And while it may seem minor, what they're doing to pay back, it does help, obviously.
418
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:31,000
It makes it up. The places we live, look nice and stuff like that to improve our lives.
419
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:36,000
And then obviously electronic tagging to make sure we can track the mofos everywhere.
420
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,000
Track the mofos.
421
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,000
Track the mofos everywhere.
422
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,000
Give everyone an air tag.
423
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,000
Yeah, yeah. Including people. We've got people tagged.
424
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,000
So rolling out of hotspot policing and focus on high crime areas.
425
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:51,000
I have a feeling, is this hotspot policing that the community thinks is more?
426
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:56,000
No, I think this is more focus resources on high crime areas.
427
00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,000
Obviously we know crime is higher in certain areas than others.
428
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:07,000
So, you know, it's higher in Bullum than it is...
429
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:14,000
Yeah, I guess every town has that area that you avoid because of, as Sean would put it, crime.
430
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,000
Crime?
431
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,000
Crime. Say it again. Crime.
432
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,000
Well, it is the title of this episode.
433
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,000
So, you know, you avoid it. So, you know, maybe put some police officers there.
434
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,000
Yeah, and it's about focusing the resource that we've got.
435
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,000
Which makes sense.
436
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:34,000
So, now this is an interesting one because I like this because have you ever had on your mobile phone bill,
437
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,000
you get it and it's like £3.99 more than it should be and you think,
438
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,000
I haven't fucking spent anything on my phone bill, I've been abroad, what are these charges for?
439
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:48,000
You look at your bill and it's like it will say something like multimedia message or something to that effect
440
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,000
and it will have charged you £3.99.
441
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:55,000
Now, if you'd have received a text message in that month from, you know, I don't know,
442
00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:04,000
like sending you an offer or something like that, sometimes those motherfuckers can charge you sending you that text message.
443
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,000
Mad, right?
444
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:11,000
Now, Tories want to ban SIM farms, which are used to send these bulk fraudulent text messages
445
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,000
and to ban cold calling for financial products.
446
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:21,000
So, the SIM farms, the main focus, so while they do what you said.
447
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:26,000
I guess they do the whole like send you a text like for me pretending to be your bank and stuff like that as well.
448
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,000
Yeah, so.
449
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000
They're going to be used for all sorts of things, aren't they?
450
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,000
That's the main focus here because that is currently a crime.
451
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,000
Yeah.
452
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:39,000
And in terms of the actual stealing of the money by using the fraudulent.
453
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,000
Taking the money by fraudulent means, yeah.
454
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,000
Whereas the person running the SIM farm, that's perfectly legal.
455
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,000
They're allowed to do that.
456
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,000
You can have those SIM cards and those phones running for as long as possible.
457
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:59,000
As long as you're not the person that's running the illegal website that's fraudulently stealing the money, you can't get in trouble.
458
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,000
No way.
459
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,000
And that is what that is a loophole in the fraud law.
460
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:12,000
So it's trying to close that down and ensure that it gets rid of the root source of these messages rather than just the people stealing the money benefiting from it.
461
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,000
Root source.
462
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,000
That is crazy.
463
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,000
I mean, that's a loophole that needs fucking closing.
464
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,000
Exactly.
465
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,000
So that's why they want to do that.
466
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,000
And then ban financial cold calling because that just makes sense.
467
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,000
Nobody likes getting a phone call and saying, do you want to open a credit card or something?
468
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,000
Yeah.
469
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,000
Fuck off.
470
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,000
Introduce a 25 year prison term for domestic murders.
471
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,000
I believe it's currently 15.
472
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,000
Yeah.
473
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,000
So at the moment it just follows the normal life sentencing.
474
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,000
I think that's an aggravating factor for domestic.
475
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,000
Yeah.
476
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,000
But yeah, so they would now start 25 years rather than 15.
477
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,000
Yeah.
478
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,000
OK. Fair enough.
479
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,000
That's good.
480
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000
They also want to review homicide sentencing as well, which makes sense.
481
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,000
Yeah.
482
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000
I guess to make it in line.
483
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,000
A bit more modern and in line with what's actually happening.
484
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,000
Yeah.
485
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:04,000
So moving on then, they want to also introduce an aggregating factor.
486
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,000
This is something you mentioned a minute ago, Sean, to murder sentences in the context of rough sex.
487
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,000
OK. Rough sex.
488
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,000
Rough sex.
489
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,000
Caught me off guard there, Sean.
490
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,000
Wasn't expecting that.
491
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,000
Yeah.
492
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,000
They also want to make life imprisonment without parole mandatory for heinous murders.
493
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,000
Did I say that right?
494
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,000
Henous.
495
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,000
You got it right.
496
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,000
You did.
497
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,000
Look at me.
498
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,000
So that second point, obviously the worst of the worst murders.
499
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,000
Yes.
500
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,000
I know what the word means, but I didn't know how to say it.
501
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,000
But yeah, so the first one, though, the aggravating factor for rough sex.
502
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,000
Yeah.
503
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,000
And my understanding of this is because it's very dark.
504
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,000
Wow. OK.
505
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,000
So let's just remember that there might be delicate ears listening.
506
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,000
So try and put this as delicately as you can.
507
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,000
I know you find that difficult.
508
00:25:53,000 --> 00:26:02,000
So essentially, in recent years, it's been increasing in frequency.
509
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,000
It's happened more and more.
510
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000
OK.
511
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000
Where...
512
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000
It's getting more and more prevalent.
513
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,000
Yeah.
514
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:13,000
Where someone has been murdered, but they have also been raped.
515
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,000
OK.
516
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,000
And that is what this is.
517
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,000
So what are you saying? That they've been fucked to death?
518
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,000
Well, not necessarily.
519
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,000
If someone raped...
520
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,000
Normally, what would happen is they raped them and then they killed them.
521
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,000
Wow.
522
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,000
That's what happens.
523
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,000
That's very heinous.
524
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000
That is heinous.
525
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000
You got it right the first time and not the second.
526
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,000
Heinous sounds better.
527
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,000
I'm going to say heinous.
528
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,000
OK.
529
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,000
But yeah, so...
530
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,000
Heinous.
531
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:48,000
If that happens, it's about adding an aggravating factor to increase the sentencing.
532
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,000
Yeah.
533
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,000
OK.
534
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,000
So that should be a thing already.
535
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Just saying.
536
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,000
And yeah, it was pretty dark.
537
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000
And let's swiftly move on from that.
538
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,000
Exactly.
539
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Yes, please do.
540
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,000
Make life imprisonment without parole.
541
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,000
We've done that.
542
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,000
Yeah.
543
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000
Require rapists and serious sexual offenders.
544
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,000
Jesus Christ, Sean.
545
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,000
Rapists and serious sexual offenders to spend the whole of their sentences behind bars.
546
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,000
Yeah, so at the moment...
547
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,000
We're currently released on licence, right?
548
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,000
But can't break through.
549
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,000
Yeah, so at the moment, if you're sentenced to two years in prison, you'll spend one
550
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,000
year in prison and then one year on licence in the community.
551
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,000
If you break any of your community restrictions, you're back in prison for the rest of your
552
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,000
sentence.
553
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,000
OK.
554
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,000
Yeah, I mean, that makes sense.
555
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,000
But obviously, they want to make it... they want to change that.
556
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,000
Yeah, I mean, that makes sense to make sure they stay behind bars.
557
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,000
Sex crimes, yeah.
558
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,000
Total.
559
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,000
Makes total sense to me.
560
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,000
Definitely.
561
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000
So if your name's Lucy Letby, you're going to hate this next one.
562
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,000
Give judges the power to require offenders to attend a court hearing.
563
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,000
Yeah.
564
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,000
I don't know why they cannot attend, but if they're not...
565
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,000
You could be there.
566
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:54,000
If they're not required at the hearing, then they can choose not to attend, which I just
567
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000
feel is absolutely bizarre.
568
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,000
Like, Lucy Letby is the example that you mentioned.
569
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,000
She just didn't attend some of her hearings, some of her sentencing hearings.
570
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000
She was like, well, I'm already in prison.
571
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,000
Why do I care?
572
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,000
It is literally the ethos that she seemed to have.
573
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,000
Yeah.
574
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,000
Which is wrong.
575
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,000
She has the right to face the court.
576
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,000
And the people that, you know, they have a right to face the person that's done this.
577
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,000
Exactly.
578
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,000
If they want to, yeah.
579
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Now, for those of you who don't know who Lucy Letby is, she's the nurse who killed
580
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,000
several babies at a Manchester neonatal unit, right?
581
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000
At the Chester...
582
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000
Countess of Chester Hospital.
583
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Yes.
584
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:41,000
And she's been found guilty of six murders and seven attempted murders.
585
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,000
Yeah.
586
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,000
And obviously, really fucking awful thing.
587
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,000
Yeah.
588
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000
Our thoughts go out to the families of that person.
589
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:54,000
Jesus Christ, it is the darkest of crimes, in my opinion.
590
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,000
Anything.
591
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,000
But yeah, she got the choice of not attending her hearing.
592
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000
Yeah, she should have been there.
593
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,000
She should have been there.
594
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,000
They should have dragged her out of bed and made her go, I'm getting angry about it now.
595
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,000
Moving on.
596
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:12,000
So this next point, Sean, I'm just going to point out first that the current prison population
597
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:19,000
in the UK is 89,000 people and that's expected to rise to 119,000 by 2028.
598
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,000
Yes.
599
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,000
Now, our current prison capacity is 88.
600
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000
It's just, yeah, around 88,000.
601
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,000
I believe it's 87,800 and something.
602
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:38,000
So if it's rising to 119,000 by 2028 and they want to, the Tories want to build four new
603
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,000
prisons by 2030, but that's only going to increase capacity by 20,000, that ain't math,
604
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,000
Finn, and that is going to have no fucking impact whatsoever.
605
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,000
It's not going to make a difference.
606
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:54,000
By those numbers, by the increase expected by 2028, we need 40,000 new prison places.
607
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,000
Yes, and that's half of what we need.
608
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,000
Two years after we need it.
609
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,000
Two years after we need it.
610
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,000
So yeah, it just doesn't line up.
611
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,000
But if they're going further than what the Lib Dems have, they've said, well, we will
612
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,000
build some.
613
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000
Yes.
614
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000
Which is acknowledging the issue.
615
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,000
Now, obviously, they're projections.
616
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Now, we can only work on projections because, you know, it's not fucking 2028 yet.
617
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,000
And we ain't psychic.
618
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,000
We haven't got those new police powers yet.
619
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000
Wait, wait, wait.
620
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,000
No, I'm still not telepathic.
621
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,000
So we can only go off the numbers that are presented to us at the time, right?
622
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Excuse me.
623
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000
So yeah, that math doesn't math.
624
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:39,000
No, so we can either just hope that it doesn't go up as much as it says or we'll be in dire
625
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,000
straits in 2028.
626
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,000
Yeah, I totally agree.
627
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,000
We need to do better there, Tories.
628
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,000
Moving on, they want to remove foreign offenders to their own nations after they're sent.
629
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,000
Surely it would be more cost effective to just send them back to their country and say,
630
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,000
look, this person has committed a crime in our nation.
631
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000
We'll get agreements with these countries, of course.
632
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,000
It might take some time, but they need to serve out the prison sentence over there.
633
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,000
So there is a very valid argument of why that wouldn't happen.
634
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:15,000
And that is because countries around the world also have an issue with prison populations.
635
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,000
Right.
636
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,000
As we've seen.
637
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000
America, for example, has an explode.
638
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,000
They have the largest prison population in the world.
639
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,000
If you haven't seen it, world's toughest prisons on Netflix.
640
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,000
Really, really good.
641
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,000
An example from Manila in the Philippines, the prison there, you know, they're sleeping
642
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,000
in corridors.
643
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,000
It's like 400% overpopulated.
644
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,000
Exactly.
645
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,000
So we're not going to get agreement.
646
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,000
And the second part of that is they're not going to pay for prisoners where they've committed
647
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000
a crime, not in their country.
648
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:47,000
So if we can't get those agreements, then we can't just send them back and let them
649
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,000
free because then they're not serving, they're not facing justice for the crime they've committed.
650
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,000
So we need to make sure that that justice is served.
651
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,000
Yeah, I see.
652
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,000
That is the justification for the Arthur sentence.
653
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,000
No, I get it.
654
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,000
I get it.
655
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,000
So prisoners can't vote right.
656
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,000
Not at the moment.
657
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
They want to maintain the ban on prisoners voting as well.
658
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,000
You lose your right when you go into prison and you regain it when you are released.
659
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,000
But unlike America, where convicted felons can't vote ever.
660
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,000
So a good important point here from the Tories, they want to invest in rehabilitation.
661
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,000
Yeah, a bit like the Lib Dems.
662
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,000
A bit like the Lib Dems.
663
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000
Now, again, quite open ended.
664
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,000
Very broad.
665
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000
No costing there, no money.
666
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000
But again, we kind of know why.
667
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000
They're not going to say we're going to give prisoners £100 billion.
668
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,000
Yeah, because that would lose even more votes.
669
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Because I imagine Mrs Smith on her, you know, whatever, 222 quid a week state pension goes,
670
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000
hang on a fucking minute.
671
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,000
Why are the prisoners getting so much?
672
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,000
I worked for 60 years and I get that shit.
673
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,000
Yeah, you can just imagine it, can't you?
674
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,000
Imagine Nan from Catherine Tate's sketch show.
675
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,000
A pile load of old shit.
676
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,000
It's not a vote witness.
677
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,000
So yes, they're not going to go too detailed.
678
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,000
But good, investing in rehabilitation, introducing restrictions on sex offenders, changing their names.
679
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,000
I mean, what the fuck, Sean?
680
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,000
Why is this allowed?
681
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000
So I don't know why it's allowed.
682
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,000
It's a loophole.
683
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:20,000
But it's, you know, so if when you commit a sex crime, you are part of the sex offenders register.
684
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,000
Yes, if you get a sex crime.
685
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:29,000
So that this is stuff, things like rape, rape, sexual assault, sexual assault, exposure, those sorts of things.
686
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Indecent exposure, I think as well is included in that.
687
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,000
If it's prolonged and what awful words he used to describe.
688
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000
Yeah, anything like paedophilia.
689
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,000
Yeah, all that horrible stuff.
690
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,000
It's all in, that's all in.
691
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,000
And you actually have to sign it, don't you?
692
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Well, I don't know.
693
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,000
Yeah, you have to sign the sex offenders register.
694
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000
But your name is entered onto the sex offenders register.
695
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000
But you can then go and change your name.
696
00:33:53,000 --> 00:34:01,000
And while in, by deed poll, and while in sense, you can trace that.
697
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:08,000
You could go to the deed poll, get the document and then go to the sex offenders register and compare.
698
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,000
That's a lot of work.
699
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,000
And that, you know, who's got the time for that?
700
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,000
That's multiple government departments that you have to deal with.
701
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,000
So most of the time people are getting away with it.
702
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000
And then not having to declare that they're on the sex offenders register.
703
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,000
I can't believe that. That is ridiculous.
704
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000
So it's about stopping that from happening.
705
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,000
That should not be, that should not be.
706
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,000
If you are a convicted felon, oh sorry, felon, this isn't America for God's sake.
707
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:38,000
If you're a convicted criminal, if you've been convicted of a crime, legally you should, that right should be removed from you.
708
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,000
You should not be able to change your name and hide your identity like that.
709
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,000
Completely agree.
710
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,000
Because there's only one reason that they're doing that, isn't there?
711
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,000
Oh, obviously, obviously.
712
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000
It's so they don't have to declare.
713
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,000
Exactly.
714
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,000
But it's, it's, it's at the moment, the right that everybody has, everybody has the right to change their name.
715
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,000
Frankly, that is a loophole that should have been closed fucking years ago.
716
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,000
But yeah, so that's something they want to do.
717
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000
That is mad.
718
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,000
That is, I'm shocked.
719
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,000
Anyway, so a little bit more on funding now.
720
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,000
Fund an additional 100 criminal law pupillage to cut the court backlogs.
721
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Now, the Lib Dems basically just said, well, we'll just do better.
722
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,000
At least the Tories have said we're going to do this to help with this.
723
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Yeah, so this is about training more criminal law barristers for the CPS to be able to go to court and present the cases for the prosecution.
724
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000
So we can get through them quicker.
725
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:40,000
Because most of the time it is a case of there's not enough lawyers available to see or to be able to present the cases.
726
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,000
So it's about trying to fill those gaps.
727
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,000
All their bivvies with Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.
728
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,000
They're not criminal law.
729
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000
I guess that was civil, wasn't it?
730
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,000
I bet every judge was fighting to be on that case, weren't they?
731
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000
I'd love to have been a juror.
732
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000
Imagine. I'd love to have been a flower on the wall.
733
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,000
I'd love to be a juror in Trump's case as well. That would have been amazing.
734
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Well, interesting point on Trump, actually, Sean.
735
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,000
So there's a question of whether he's got immunity.
736
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:17,000
Well, the Supreme Court has ruled that he has immunity for official actions, but not unofficial action.
737
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:27,000
So the courts now have to decide what exactly is an official action and therefore what charges have to be dropped against him.
738
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,000
So that's an interesting one to watch.
739
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000
Talk about the US coming next. I'm joking.
740
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,000
We're not doing that.
741
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000
We said this last time. It's too confusing and too convoluted.
742
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,000
America, change your voting system. Change the way your government works.
743
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,000
Then we'll talk.
744
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000
Yeah, be good.
745
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Right. We'll jump back across the Atlantic.
746
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,000
Yeah.
747
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000
So cut and call backlogs. Good. Yeah.
748
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,000
They want to ban face coverings, pyrotechnics and climbing on wall memorials during protests.
749
00:36:52,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Now, I understand the ban of banning of the face coverings because it will disincentivise people to go and, you know, it makes sure that we can see the people that are doing naughty stuff.
750
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,000
Well, yeah, to prevent people from, you know, going to the streets.
751
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,000
Good luck fucking policing that.
752
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,000
How are you going to police that?
753
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:12,000
If a thousand people walk towards you wearing a face mask and there's a hundred officers.
754
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000
Just go and take them off them.
755
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,000
What are you going to do? Walk up to each one of them and go, right, take that off.
756
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000
That's illegal. You're going to arrest every single one.
757
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:27,000
I don't know how many pairs of handcuffs the police officers have, but I guarantee you it isn't a thousand between a hundred officers.
758
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,000
No, no.
759
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,000
What they'll do?
760
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,000
They're going to need more than a Volkswagen transport van to pick that lot up.
761
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:39,000
They'll stand there with their flip pad and they'll right fix penalty notices for everyone.
762
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000
OK, right, from left to right, front to back.
763
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,000
Can I have your name, please?
764
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Name and address and date of birth.
765
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Hey, stop running off.
766
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,000
Get back here, you.
767
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,000
OK, but I'll be a second.
768
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Can I have a PNC check on?
769
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,000
They all make that noise, don't they?
770
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,000
Yeah, they do. Yeah.
771
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Yeah. So good luck policing that.
772
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,000
Pyrotechnics, I mean, yeah, nobody should be setting fire to shit.
773
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,000
Peaceful protest is the definition, ladies and gentlemen.
774
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,000
That is what we're allowed to do, yes.
775
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Yes. So don't go setting fire to shit.
776
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,000
You know what happens when somebody tries to set fire to someone in London?
777
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,000
Half of London burnt down.
778
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,000
So let's not do that.
779
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
And that's a good thing.
780
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000
Climbing on wall memorials, that's a given.
781
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,000
You shouldn't be doing that shit anyway. Come on.
782
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,000
No, no, definitely not.
783
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Come on, you shouldn't be doing that.
784
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000
This goes back to the whole throwing milkshakes at people.
785
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Common sense, don't do it.
786
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,000
Don't be a moron. Stop it. Get some help.
787
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,000
All right. The next point, fairly self-explanatory.
788
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,000
Banning protests outside of schools. Yeah, OK, fair enough.
789
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,000
They also want to strengthen police powers to prevent protests.
790
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000
Let me start that sentence again.
791
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
There's a lot of P's in there, Sean, right?
792
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000
That's because there's a word missing, technically.
793
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,000
Oh, is there? Right.
794
00:38:52,000 --> 00:39:00,000
Strengthen police powers to prevent protests that are rising and presenting a risk of serious disorder.
795
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,000
You read the sentence because it's obviously wrong.
796
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Strengthen police powers to prevent protests that present a risk of serious disorder.
797
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Right, OK, so yeah, I was mild away.
798
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,000
So it's the sentence that I've written, minus one, and I've added one word.
799
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,000
Yeah, but you've got prevent protests present.
800
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Yeah, I've added the word that between the protest and the protest.
801
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,000
It's throwing me off.
802
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,000
Yeah, OK, so this is the...
803
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000
It happens anyway.
804
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,000
The chief constable, but it's a very limited list.
805
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,000
They can ban stuff.
806
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,000
It's a thin blue line, isn't it?
807
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:46,000
It is a thin blue line, but when it does present a risk of serious disorder and damage to property, then it needs to be prevented.
808
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Yeah, and one final point from the Tories.
809
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,000
We have got here that they want to ensure protection for elected representatives.
810
00:39:53,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Now, this is something that me and Sean have discussed off the podcast, and we both wholeheartedly agree that no matter how much you disagree with some of these fuckwits, don't throw milkshakes at them.
811
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Don't throw concrete at them.
812
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,000
Don't kill them.
813
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,000
They should be protected in public office.
814
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,000
Like, yeah, this, this, obviously it comes from the two high profile MPs that were murdered.
815
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000
Joe Cox and David...
816
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Sir David Ames and Joe Cox, yes.
817
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,000
Yeah, at the end of the day, they are just doing their job.
818
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,000
They should not be subject to that danger.
819
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000
No, they shouldn't.
820
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:36,000
And, you know, Nigel Farage is sick and tired of telling his dry cleaner to get McDonald's banana milkshake out of his suit.
821
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,000
I'm surprised he hasn't got, like, a sponsorship from McDonald's yet.
822
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,000
Why doesn't he?
823
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,000
McDonald's would never align themselves with anything political, would they?
824
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,000
No, not at all.
825
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:53,000
Why doesn't he just go one up on them and wear a banana milkshake hullabaloo suit?
826
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000
It looks like he didn't care.
827
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000
No, it looked like a minion.
828
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000
It looked like a minion?
829
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,000
No, because he looked like he's running for the Lib Dem.
830
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,000
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, he would. Maybe not.
831
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,000
But, yeah, joking aside, they should be protected.
832
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,000
You know, they should. But it also means that someone can keep an eye on them.
833
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,000
Yeah.
834
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,000
Make sure they're not doing anything naughty.
835
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:23,000
But the thing is, as we've seen from the gambling issue during the election, the police are just as bad as the elected officials when it comes to committing crimes.
836
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,000
Yeah. So, yeah, that is...
837
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:32,000
Well, we're going to be discussing that on our post-election talking columns when we get back to normal weekly Wednesdays.
838
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,000
Yes, we will. Yeah.
839
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,000
But we'll... Yeah, we're going to be talking about that in detail.
840
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,000
Yeah.
841
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,000
So that's the Tories, Sean. Wow. What a lot to go through for the Tories.
842
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,000
I know.
843
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000
I'm going to be honest. I like it.
844
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,000
It's one of the key pillars of conservatism.
845
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,000
Yeah.
846
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
And it's policing and crime, you know.
847
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Not as much as I'd like to see about the prison system, but... And again, the building of the prisons, it's lacklustre.
848
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,000
That is the straw that is breaking that amulet back for me.
849
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,000
Yeah.
850
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,000
So, yeah, I think there's some really good things in there.
851
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,000
You know, the sex offenders changing their names. That should be a thing anyway. What the fuck?
852
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,000
And protection for elected representatives. Yeah.
853
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:24,000
Recruiting an additional 8,000 officers. I swear they put this in every manifesto, but it can only be a good thing if they're actually going to do it.
854
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Yeah.
855
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,000
So, yeah, there you go.
856
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,000
Exactly. And it's all... It's good, yeah.
857
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:35,000
So it was nice to see some numbers. That's the one... That's a big key difference that I would say between the two we've seen so far.
858
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:41,000
Now, as this is a really big bumper episode, we're going to take a quick break.
859
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:59,000
Listen to this short advert from someone that you don't know. We'll be right back after this message.
860
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:08,000
Hi there, everyone. It's Kriff here from Talking Pollux. And off of Kriff and Sean on Twitch. And off of Kriff and Sean on Twitter.
861
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,000
I'm here to tell you about a very special episode of Talking Pollux coming up.
862
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:24,000
On Friday the 5th of July, me and Sean will be live on our Twitch channel doing a very special recording of Talking Pollux live for you to watch.
863
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:31,000
It will still be available on Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. But we just wanted to mention it.
864
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,000
Hopefully you can come along and say hello. We know that we've got a few listeners around the world now.
865
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,000
We know you're out there, those people in America. Not sure why you're listening though.
866
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Anyway, it'd be really good to see some new faces on the Twitch channel.
867
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:51,000
So please, if you do get some time on Friday the 5th at around 7.30pm BST, me and Sean will be going live discussing the election, where it's up to so far, the results.
868
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:58,000
And we'll be putting it out on Spotify as well. It's going to be great. It's going to be awesome. It's going to be great. It's not finished yet. It's going to be great.
869
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:05,000
We're really looking forward to seeing you there. Thank you so much. We'll now get back to the boys, me and Sean, that is, talking about labour and police and crime.
870
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,000
I don't know. Just get on with it boys. Come on.
871
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:29,000
Alright then everybody, welcome back. Honestly, whoever made that advert needs to calm the F down.
872
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,000
Yeah, yeah they do.
873
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:39,000
We're back. Thanks for being with us there. We're back with Labour, Police, Crime and Justice.
874
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,000
There's not many people trying to say Ice Cream and Justice there.
875
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:48,000
Who doesn't like Ice Cream and Justice? I like Ice Cream and Justice.
876
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,000
Well I've never had them together, so I don't know.
877
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,000
Justice flavoured Ice Cream.
878
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,000
Yeah. My favourites.
879
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,000
So what are Labour going to do?
880
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,000
Well, they are, so you know earlier we said about neighbourhood policing.
881
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Yes.
882
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Well that's what they're going to do.
883
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,000
Oh, okay.
884
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:17,000
They're going to recruit thousands of new officers, police and community support officers and special constables, ensuring that communities will have a named officer to turn to.
885
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,000
Oh this is lovely. This goes back to your hot police officer.
886
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,000
The hot police officer, yes. That happened when I was a kid.
887
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,000
No, it's like they haven't put a number on that. They've just said thousands.
888
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,000
Yeah, it's not a defined number.
889
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,000
It has to be more than 2,000 though.
890
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,000
It does, yeah, because it's plural.
891
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,000
It's plural, right.
892
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,000
Yeah, so we'll see what happens there.
893
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Yeah, yeah.
894
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,000
You know, the Tories put a number on it, 8,000.
895
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,000
That's how many we want.
896
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Just thousands. Thousands.
897
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,000
Thousands of them.
898
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000
Thousands of them.
899
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,000
However, how are we going to pay them all?
900
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,000
Well.
901
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000
All these new special officers?
902
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,000
That is going to be paid for by tackling waste.
903
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Okay.
904
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:02,000
Like tackling bureaucrats' bureaucracy and stuff with a new police efficiency.
905
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,000
Well, I was going to say, I didn't think it was going to be like rugby tackling a bin on the street.
906
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,000
I thought it might have something to do with bureaucratic waste.
907
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Yeah, so yeah.
908
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:18,000
But a new police efficiency and collaboration programme setting national standards for procurement.
909
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:25,000
It's similar to what they want to do with the NHS, centralise procurement or make it uniform across all police forces.
910
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,000
Yeah, that makes sense.
911
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,000
One supplier to service them all, right?
912
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Yeah, exactly. You'd probably get a better deal.
913
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,000
Yeah, you would definitely get a better deal.
914
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:41,000
But is it going to put other businesses that might potentially have, you know, that one small business might have done really well on that tender or won that contract.
915
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:47,000
Small cleaning company won a contract to clean, you know, five police stations, let's say.
916
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,000
If they then lose that, that could be like 50 per cent of that company.
917
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,000
Oh, yeah. There's obviously a downside to that.
918
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:59,000
But in terms of efficiency for the police force, that is, it can only be a good thing.
919
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,000
Yeah, that can only be a good thing.
920
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Same as the NHS, you know, these things should be done centrally and it should be done as a cost efficiency programme more than anything.
921
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,000
Yeah, I know I agree with that.
922
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,000
They want to introduce respect orders.
923
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,000
Okay.
924
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,000
So, this is to tackle anti-social behaviour.
925
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Okay.
926
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:25,000
And so it gives the powers to sort of like ban adults from like town centres.
927
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:35,000
It's aimed to prevent alcohol and drug use in populated areas is the idea.
928
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,000
I mean, yeah, like we said earlier, there's always that one area or town that you avoid.
929
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,000
Exactly.
930
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,000
That can only be a good thing.
931
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,000
I thought this was sort of a thing already.
932
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,000
I didn't know they were called respect orders.
933
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,000
I've never heard that term before.
934
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,000
No, I've never heard that before.
935
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:52,000
But I thought the courts already had the power to ban people from areas.
936
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,000
But that's just me.
937
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,000
I think they do.
938
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,000
I think it's called something else, though.
939
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,000
I can't remember what it's called.
940
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,000
I think they have that power, but it has to be enforced in a certain way.
941
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,000
Something like that.
942
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,000
I can't remember.
943
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,000
Yeah.
944
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,000
Is there a similar thing already in place, I'm sure?
945
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,000
Yeah.
946
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Half knife crime.
947
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,000
Yeah, so they've obviously gone quite big on knife crime.
948
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,000
In a decade.
949
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,000
So they put a time frame on it.
950
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,000
Yeah, so in 10 years they want to halve it.
951
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,000
Some people say, is that going far enough?
952
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,000
I would say no.
953
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,000
Surely you want to do more than that.
954
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Halve it in a decade.
955
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,000
So you're still going to let half of all knife crimes happen.
956
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,000
Yeah, that's the thing.
957
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,000
So there is that talk about, is it going far enough?
958
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,000
Is the ambition there to actually stop knife crime?
959
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,000
Yeah.
960
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,000
The next point is interesting, staying on the knife topic.
961
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,000
Every youth caught in possession of a knife will be referred to the Young Offenders Team
962
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:49,000
and receive a mandatory prevention plan, including tagging, curfews and custody.
963
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,000
Yes.
964
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,000
Whoa.
965
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,000
Yeah, so it's obviously, again, quite a harsh...
966
00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:00,000
It's supposed to act as a deterrent and it probably will.
967
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:09,000
But I don't know because it requires the police to actually catch youths in possession of knives.
968
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,000
It does, yes.
969
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,000
However, my point here is that youths and kids should not be carrying knives anyway.
970
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,000
No, no, completely agree.
971
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,000
Nobody should be carrying a knife at the end of the day.
972
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,000
Nobody should need to carry a knife with them.
973
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,000
Oh, I don't know.
974
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,000
Sometimes I do think sitting at my desk at work that I could stab someone in the eye.
975
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,000
Well, no.
976
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:40,000
Jokingly, yes, but genuinely, nobody needs to walk around the street carrying a knife.
977
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,000
No, no one does.
978
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,000
It shouldn't need to be a thing.
979
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,000
It's ridiculous.
980
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,000
Yeah, so yes.
981
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Not necessarily lock them up, but do something.
982
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,000
No, so obviously that's why custody is last because that would be the last resort if at
983
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,000
this date of multiple times they've been caught, for example.
984
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,000
Banning ninja swords, lethal zombie blades and machetes, that should be done already.
985
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,000
That's a new point.
986
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,000
Yeah, it shouldn't be.
987
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,000
They shouldn't be allowed.
988
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,000
Yeah, that should be done already.
989
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,000
Strength and rules to prevent legal online knife sales by holding executives of these
990
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,000
online companies to account.
991
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000
Now, one of two things will happen here.
992
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Executives will go, right, we no longer sell knives at all.
993
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,000
Takes them all off the platform.
994
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,000
Or these businesses will just stop operating in the UK.
995
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,000
I don't think they will.
996
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,000
But the problem is it's quite difficult.
997
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:30,000
So there was a spate of knives or hidden knives.
998
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,000
Zombie blades.
999
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,000
Yeah, but they were being sold on Instagram, for example.
1000
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,000
So Instagram isn't a sales platform for a start.
1001
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,000
So with what you said, they can't go, we'll just stop selling knives because they don't
1002
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,000
do that anyway.
1003
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,000
That's a good point.
1004
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:54,000
So do you think this is aimed more at social media companies rather than by Amazon and
1005
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,000
stuff?
1006
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:01,000
I certainly think it is because that's where the illegal online knife sales are coming
1007
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,000
from.
1008
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:07,000
So legal knife sales, Amazon are legally allowed to, as long as they check your ID at the door.
1009
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,000
Which they do.
1010
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,000
And stuff like that.
1011
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:14,000
As long as they take those steps to ensure you're 18 or older, it's where they're being
1012
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,000
sold by less reputable sources.
1013
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,000
Yeah.
1014
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,000
Such as on Instagram and Facebook Marketplace and stuff like that.
1015
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,000
Where it's user generated.
1016
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,000
Yeah.
1017
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,000
Content.
1018
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:35,000
But again, holding the executives to account is quite difficult because they are surrounded
1019
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,000
by a wall of lawyers.
1020
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,000
And it's limited in what some of them can do.
1021
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,000
You can always ban, you can always block an account.
1022
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,000
And then another, it's easy enough to open another account and another account and another
1023
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,000
account.
1024
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,000
The thing is though, the social media companies do need to do more on fake accounts.
1025
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,000
Simply put, they need to do more on it.
1026
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,000
Yeah, completely.
1027
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,000
Completely.
1028
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,000
You know, you look at X for example, there are many, many fake accounts on there.
1029
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,000
Yeah.
1030
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,000
Just try to sort of, I don't even know what they're trying to do.
1031
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,000
They're just blank profiles.
1032
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Yeah.
1033
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,000
We see it on Twitch all the time.
1034
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,000
Bots joining the chat and offering to sell us graphics.
1035
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,000
Yeah.
1036
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,000
And they're just like, they're just selling us real stuff.
1037
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:17,000
Like it just, but again, it's quite difficult because you know, there's these people out
1038
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,000
there who will just sit there and set up dozens and dozens of accounts and do that.
1039
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,000
Yeah.
1040
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,000
Just some people have the time to do that.
1041
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,000
Exactly.
1042
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,000
And they make a lot of money from it.
1043
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,000
They do, yeah.
1044
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Unfortunately, yeah, you're right.
1045
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,000
It is quite lucrative.
1046
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,000
Some people don't call for it.
1047
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,000
Okay.
1048
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,000
What's next?
1049
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,000
So creating a young futures network with a series of hubs to prevent young offenders.
1050
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:41,000
So this is about that community focus, that neighborhood focus again.
1051
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,000
Yeah.
1052
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,000
Trying to prevent young people falling into the life of crime.
1053
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,000
I think, yeah, you kind of have to start at the root with this kind of thing, right?
1054
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,000
Yeah, definitely.
1055
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,000
And it's, preventative measures are great.
1056
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:59,000
And you know, we were saying that, you know, prisoners and prison and crime, that's not
1057
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,000
a vote winner, but what labor are trying to do is they're trying to turn it so it's actually
1058
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,000
more community focused than that.
1059
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,000
Yeah.
1060
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,000
So it is, they're trying to win votes that way, which is fair enough.
1061
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,000
Yeah.
1062
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,000
I mean, yeah.
1063
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,000
It seems to be working.
1064
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,000
That can only be a good thing as well.
1065
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,000
It's just if it gets the right amount of investment, my concern is that all these things sound
1066
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,000
quite good.
1067
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000
But will labor actually put the money into it?
1068
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,000
And will labor and the country have the money for this?
1069
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,000
Because I think one of two things is going to happen tomorrow.
1070
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:36,000
And over the next few months, it'll be a case of labor's manifesto was correct and they
1071
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,000
keep their promises and it works.
1072
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:44,000
Or they get into office, oh, everything is so much worse than we thought it was.
1073
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,000
And they completely renege on everything that they've promised.
1074
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,000
And that's the case.
1075
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:53,000
The thing is though, I reckon there's going to be parts that they renege regardless.
1076
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,000
Yeah.
1077
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,000
Because all political parties do.
1078
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Every time.
1079
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,000
Every election.
1080
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,000
They always go back on their manifesto at some point.
1081
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,000
Yeah.
1082
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,000
Boris Johnson did it.
1083
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,000
Theresa May did it.
1084
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,000
Yeah.
1085
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,000
Tony Blair did it.
1086
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,000
Exactly.
1087
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,000
So it's a tough one.
1088
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,000
So introducing criminal exploitation of children offense.
1089
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,000
So this would be a new criminal offense in the courts.
1090
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,000
Yeah.
1091
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000
To go after gangs who are using children.
1092
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,000
Yeah.
1093
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:26,000
So this is like drug gangs that are using children to move drugs around and sell drugs.
1094
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,000
Yeah.
1095
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,000
There's a great documentary on BBC Iron Player called The Detective, I think.
1096
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,000
Oh, yeah.
1097
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,000
Which was based on an OCG in Rochdale called The Adam Line.
1098
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Yeah.
1099
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,000
Very good.
1100
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,000
Which follows how the detectives investigate that.
1101
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,000
It's very, very good.
1102
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:50,000
But yeah, they used nine to 12 year olds to do their run in forum.
1103
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:55,000
And that was part of the documentary features, the child exploitation.
1104
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,000
Yeah.
1105
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,000
It's very sad.
1106
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:03,000
I mean, obviously these kids live in such depraved areas that haven't had any investment.
1107
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,000
And you know, Boris Johnson was kind of trying to do with leveling up.
1108
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,000
The thing is you say that, but not everyone falls into this.
1109
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000
So it's...
1110
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,000
For some people it is a choice.
1111
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,000
It is a choice for some people.
1112
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Some people fall into it, don't necessarily know what they're getting into.
1113
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,000
And then they can't get out of it.
1114
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Yeah, yeah.
1115
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,000
Totally.
1116
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,000
But hopefully with a bit of investment it might change.
1117
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000
But again, crime is on the up.
1118
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,000
It's on an upward trend.
1119
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,000
It has been there for some time now.
1120
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,000
So it's difficult.
1121
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,000
Yeah.
1122
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,000
Child exploitation is always a difficult subject.
1123
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:45,000
And unfortunately, it's something that's always going to happen.
1124
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,000
Well, I don't think it is.
1125
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,000
It's not something that happened...
1126
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,000
It's not overly widespread.
1127
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:56,000
In regards of drug running and gangs using them because they're easy targets, unfortunately.
1128
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,000
Unless they change drug laws and then that's a different story.
1129
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Yeah.
1130
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:06,000
I mean, I think they could be prosecuted for the child exploitation, but there is another element to it as well.
1131
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,000
I'll have to do some research on it, everybody, and get back to you on that.
1132
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:15,000
Moving on then, they want to introduce specialist rape and sexual offence teams in every police force.
1133
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,000
That can only be a good thing.
1134
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,000
Fast track rape cases with specialist courts in every Crown Court location in England and Wales.
1135
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,000
So there would be a separate courtroom for just rape cases.
1136
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,000
Yeah, but this goes back to a point that the Tories have raised.
1137
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,000
If you go back and if you remember, they said about funding pupillages.
1138
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:44,000
And if you remember, I mentioned then that one of the problems is we don't have enough CPS lawyers to actually try the cases.
1139
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:55,000
It's all well and good opening new courts, but unless you've got the staff there to run them and support them, that's where that needs to be changed.
1140
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,000
A brand new hospital is lovely, but if you can't afford to staff it, there's no point in being there.
1141
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,000
Exactly.
1142
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:08,000
They also want to introduce domestic abuse experts in 999 call rooms, strengthen the rights of whistleblowers in the workplace.
1143
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:17,000
They also want to give new powers to His Majesty's Inspectorate of the Constabulary via rescue services to intervene in failing forces.
1144
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:28,000
Now, this is something that I think definitely needs to happen given the reports that have come out of the London Fire Brigade recently regarding their inclusivity report and other like the Met Police Service.
1145
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,000
I was going to say, I think it's more aimed at the Met Police Service.
1146
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,000
But definitely the Fire Brigade as well.
1147
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,000
These are our public services.
1148
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,000
I don't understand why it's not already a thing.
1149
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,000
Off-GEM can get involved with failing energy companies.
1150
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,000
Off-BOT can get involved with failing water companies.
1151
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,000
The Department of Transport can do that.
1152
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,000
Why can't we do that with other public services?
1153
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,000
Surely the Home Office can do this?
1154
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:08,000
Well, you'd think, but you know, the whole point that His Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary Fire and Rescue Services is for them to do this.
1155
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:14,000
If they don't have the powers to do it, they seem a bit pointless.
1156
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,000
OK, last point from Labour then.
1157
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:26,000
Introducing mandatory minimal vetting standards and stronger training on racism and VAWG.
1158
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,000
I'm not sure what that is.
1159
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,000
Violence against women and girls.
1160
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,000
Ah, OK.
1161
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,000
I mean, yes, minimal vetting standards.
1162
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,000
Everyone should be vetted.
1163
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,000
It should be minimal vetting standards.
1164
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,000
I think it's supposed to be said it's minimum.
1165
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,000
Oh, OK, not minimal.
1166
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,000
Right, OK, cool.
1167
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,000
So, minimum vetting standards, yes, agreed.
1168
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,000
Yes.
1169
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,000
And stronger training on racism and violence against women and girls, yes.
1170
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,000
I also think there needs to be more training on hate crime.
1171
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,000
Yeah, completely.
1172
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,000
Because they're not investigated properly at all by any police service.
1173
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,000
No, no.
1174
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,000
As we know.
1175
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,000
Again, it's because hate crime itself is not a crime, it's an aggravating factor on a separate crime.
1176
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,000
Yeah.
1177
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,000
And that's where the difficulty is.
1178
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,000
There's confusion around it, and that's the issue there.
1179
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:17,000
So yeah, stronger training definitely might help that.
1180
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,000
Cool, all right then.
1181
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,000
Well, Labour, a lot in there, a lot to digest, Sean.
1182
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,000
Yeah, a lot of it aimed at knife crime.
1183
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,000
Obviously, they've got quite a big focus on knife crime.
1184
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:35,000
Yeah, I mean, Labour's already always performed very strong in London, haven't they, in central London?
1185
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:41,000
So, they're obviously going to focus a little bit of attention on that because that's where the biggest problem is.
1186
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,000
Yeah, well, and you say that, but even in Manchester, knife crime is rising.
1187
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,000
Liverpool.
1188
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,000
Newcastle.
1189
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,000
It's rising for the place, even in Scotland.
1190
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:57,000
The nationwide standards for procurement, I thought, was quite interesting.
1191
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,000
It can only help, but my fear is it is going to put businesses out of business.
1192
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,000
Smaller businesses, local businesses out of pocket.
1193
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,000
Yeah, I completely see that.
1194
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,000
That is a potential risk of that.
1195
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,000
It's a contract with the public service at the end of the day, it's guaranteed money.
1196
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,000
Yeah, but at the end of the day, you've also then got to think about...
1197
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,000
Well, unless you work with Birmingham counts.
1198
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:23,000
But then we've also got to consider, at the end of the day, as taxpayers, we want efficiency for our money.
1199
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,000
Yeah.
1200
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,000
You know, we don't want to be spending tax where we don't need to be.
1201
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,000
Yeah, which I do feel like there is a lot of wastage and bureaucratic mess.
1202
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,000
Oh, 100%.
1203
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,000
All right, then. Moving on.
1204
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,000
Last tune to do. Oh, I feel a bit sad we're getting to the end now.
1205
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,000
I know, I can't believe we're already to the end of the manifestos.
1206
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,000
Manifesto Destiny Specials, I know. We're nearly at the end.
1207
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,000
All right, then.
1208
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,000
Shall we go light green or light blue?
1209
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,000
Or should we just do green next?
1210
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,000
Let's do the green party. All right.
1211
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
We don't need a drum roll this time.
1212
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:00,000
No, they don't really care about justice, it seems.
1213
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,000
No, no.
1214
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,000
All right, then. So, first point from the greens I absolutely love.
1215
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,000
Oh, I just punched the microphone. I do apologise.
1216
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,000
End stop and search and the use of facial recognition.
1217
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,000
I don't agree with that.
1218
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,000
Why?
1219
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:21,000
Because while stop and search should be used as a last resort,
1220
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,000
I feel that the police should have that power.
1221
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:32,000
If they genuinely believe that someone is carrying something illegal
1222
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,000
or stolen property or a weapon...
1223
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,000
They have to have a suspicion.
1224
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,000
They have to have reasonable suspicion.
1225
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,000
Yeah.
1226
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:45,000
And I think that is right, that they have that power.
1227
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,000
Otherwise, if you think...
1228
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,000
I think it should be in certain areas, cities.
1229
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,000
If they can't stop people and search them,
1230
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,000
then if they stop someone and put them in the back of a police car
1231
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,000
and then they pull out a knife and stab the police officer...
1232
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,000
How do you do that with your hands behind your back in cuffs?
1233
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,000
Because you don't always get cuffed behind your back.
1234
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,000
Well, if they have reasonable suspicion that you have a knife,
1235
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,000
I imagine they would.
1236
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,000
It's a question for our police officer friend, right?
1237
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:15,000
You'd think so, but it still poses that risk.
1238
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,000
I think stop and search should still be a power that the police have.
1239
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,000
Yeah, I do think it's a power they should have in certain areas.
1240
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,000
There is no reason that in the Scottish Highlands...
1241
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,000
Well, I mean, there might be.
1242
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,000
A lot of people in the Scottish Highlands have guns, right?
1243
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,000
I was going to say, yeah.
1244
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,000
Probably the riskier area.
1245
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,000
That's a bad example.
1246
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,000
Moving on.
1247
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,000
Police services to deliver regular fitness to practice assessments
1248
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,000
on diversity.
1249
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,000
Yeah.
1250
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,000
Right.
1251
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,000
So this is about rather than vetting them,
1252
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,000
have them complete regular assessments.
1253
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,000
Like they haven't got enough to do.
1254
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,000
Exactly. Exactly.
1255
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,000
I think vetting would probably be a better way of doing it.
1256
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:56,000
But this is their approach instead of vetting.
1257
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,000
Open it up to more people and just...
1258
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,000
Yeah.
1259
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,000
All right.
1260
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,000
Give police and crime permission as local counsellors
1261
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:09,000
and local counsellors open access to data to enable effective scrutiny.
1262
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,000
Yeah.
1263
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:15,000
So this, it's about giving some oversight of the police forces.
1264
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,000
Yeah, I agree. More oversight can only be good.
1265
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,000
Exactly.
1266
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,000
Yeah, I like that.
1267
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,000
It's about giving it to the local people.
1268
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,000
Police and crime commissioners are voted for locally,
1269
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,000
same as your local counsellors.
1270
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,000
So it's about keeping that local touch.
1271
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,000
Yep. Like that. Like that a lot.
1272
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,000
Yeah.
1273
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,000
All right.
1274
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,000
So adopting the restorative justice approach,
1275
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,000
starting with diversion programmes in place for all low-level drug
1276
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,000
and alcohol offences as well as young offenders arrested for low-level offences.
1277
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,000
There's a lot.
1278
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,000
OK, I get it.
1279
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,000
So obviously at the moment we run a punitive justice system.
1280
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,000
Yep.
1281
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:57,000
And they want to completely change how our justice system works.
1282
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,000
Big ambitions.
1283
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,000
Is it work in practice?
1284
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:09,000
Restorative justice has proven benefits, but it also has proven negatives.
1285
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,000
Is it going to make anything better?
1286
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,000
Probably not.
1287
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,000
It's just going to change the system.
1288
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,000
And we all know when the government changes something,
1289
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:20,000
it just causes a shit ton of mess.
1290
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,000
Yeah.
1291
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,000
So that's...
1292
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,000
There's nothing more to say. Yeah.
1293
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,000
No. And so while it might be a good idea,
1294
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:31,000
it's just reasonably impractical.
1295
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,000
Yeah.
1296
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,000
I mean, unless it's going to have that massive injection of money,
1297
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,000
which, you know, the Greens are saying that they can get.
1298
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,000
Yeah.
1299
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,000
They want to make misogyny a hate crime across the UK.
1300
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,000
It should be, really.
1301
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,000
Yeah.
1302
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,000
You know, I thought it would...
1303
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:49,000
Considering, you know, misogyny and, you know,
1304
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,000
stuff like that is a protected characteristic,
1305
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,000
I thought it would be.
1306
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,000
Yeah.
1307
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,000
I think that already should be.
1308
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,000
That's the thing we should... Why are we not funding this?
1309
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,000
That's the thing we should already be doing.
1310
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,000
Yes.
1311
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,000
Develop and implement a UK-wide strategy to tackle gender-based violence.
1312
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:08,000
So this is... Is this, like, transgender or...?
1313
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,000
So this is... It's that.
1314
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,000
It's violence against women and girls.
1315
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,000
Any gender.
1316
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,000
It's any gender.
1317
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,000
OK, great.
1318
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,000
Yeah, that's a good idea.
1319
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,000
It doesn't...
1320
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,000
And again, it's one of those... It's quite broad.
1321
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,000
Yeah, but they also want to make it a key measurable priority
1322
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,000
or a KPI for all police officers...
1323
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,000
Yeah.
1324
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,000
...or police forces.
1325
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,000
Yeah.
1326
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,000
Yeah, so...
1327
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,000
So they're gonna... They want to...
1328
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,000
They want to...
1329
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,000
They want to tackle gender-based violence,
1330
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,000
but with a UK-wide strategy,
1331
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,000
and they're gonna measure it with a KPI,
1332
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,000
but what are we measuring?
1333
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,000
That is a good question, and...
1334
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,000
Wind.
1335
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,000
Yeah, that's the only answer I could have given.
1336
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,000
Yep, that's the answer you were gonna give, wasn't it?
1337
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,000
I can spell the answer right out of your head.
1338
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,000
You did, yeah.
1339
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,000
So, investing £11 billion, whoa,
1340
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,000
in the Ministry of Justice over the course of the next parliament
1341
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,000
to tackle court backlogs, restore legal aid budgets
1342
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,000
and repair court buildings.
1343
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,000
Repair court buildings?
1344
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,000
I mean, when you see some of these court buildings on the news,
1345
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,000
you think, really?
1346
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,000
Well, I don't know.
1347
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,000
If you look at a lot of our court buildings,
1348
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,000
they're quite majestic buildings.
1349
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,000
Some of them are, but the...
1350
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,000
Which one was it? Was it Wrexham?
1351
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,000
It might have been Wrexham Court House, I think,
1352
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,000
or it might not have been, I can't remember,
1353
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,000
but there was a courthouse recently on Sky News,
1354
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,000
and it looked like a public toilet.
1355
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,000
It was awful.
1356
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,000
It looked awful.
1357
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,000
No justice could have been done in that building.
1358
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,000
Maybe it's not.
1359
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,000
But, yeah, it's £11 billion in a lot of money.
1360
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,000
It is, and also, a broad statement here, love this,
1361
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,000
recruit more judges.
1362
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,000
Yeah, yeah, we need more judges, apparently.
1363
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,000
In terms of tackling the backlog,
1364
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,000
every party seems to have a different approach to it.
1365
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,000
Which is strange, isn't it?
1366
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,000
Normally they all take sort of a similar approach,
1367
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,000
and we've seen this across the last seven episodes of this special,
1368
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,000
that going over the manifestos, you can...
1369
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,000
There's usually a theme.
1370
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,000
There's usually a common theme, even from the left to the right.
1371
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,000
There's usually a common theme,
1372
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,000
and there's usually most things that most parties can agree on,
1373
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,000
but in this case, they've gone about it a different way,
1374
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,000
which is a bit weird.
1375
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,000
It's a strange one, because, you know,
1376
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,000
it's a very difficult thing to prove.
1377
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:23,000
Me, personally, I think lawyers, the lack of lawyers,
1378
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,000
because previously it's been very difficult to qualify
1379
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,000
in the legal profession.
1380
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,000
It's taken a very long time, it's very expensive,
1381
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,000
and it's very difficult to get the pupillage
1382
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,000
or the training contract that you need to do it.
1383
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,000
So I think that is a big part of it,
1384
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,000
and, you know, it's all well and good making more judges,
1385
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,000
and it's taken a long time to get away from trying cases.
1386
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,000
Unless it's magistrates, obviously.
1387
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,000
Magistrates are different, they're late.
1388
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,000
Yeah, yeah.
1389
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,000
Yeah, I mean, it's too broad.
1390
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,000
Where are you going to get from, is my question.
1391
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,000
You can't just make a judge.
1392
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,000
And is that the problem?
1393
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,000
Like Blue Peter, here's a judge I made earlier.
1394
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,000
Yeah, here's what we made earlier.
1395
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,000
One final point from the Greens.
1396
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,000
Bit of a weird one, this.
1397
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,000
Establish a national commission to agree
1398
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,000
with the legal approach to reform the UK drug laws.
1399
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,000
There is a caveat to this as well.
1400
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,000
They want to push to decriminalise
1401
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,000
personal possession of drugs.
1402
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:27,000
So I'm assuming this is weed, marijuana, cocaine, or all.
1403
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,000
As far as I'm aware, they haven't listed in their manifesto.
1404
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,000
I can't see anything in it.
1405
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,000
They've not listed anything.
1406
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,000
The way they've written it, it sounds like
1407
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,000
personal possession of any drug would be legal.
1408
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,000
Wow.
1409
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,000
Which I think is not the right approach.
1410
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,000
Yes, we need to review the drug laws 100%.
1411
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,000
Yes.
1412
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,000
So I like that idea.
1413
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,000
Yeah, I don't know if I would necessarily feel comfortable
1414
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,000
with someone walking around with like chloroform or something like that.
1415
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,000
People can do that anyway.
1416
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,000
It's not illegal to possess chloroform.
1417
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,000
Is it not? It should be.
1418
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,000
I thought it was.
1419
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,000
I thought it was a controlled substance chloroform.
1420
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,000
Not as far as I'm aware.
1421
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,000
Everyone's going to do some more live Googling
1422
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,000
for one of Chris's random thoughts.
1423
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,000
Here we go. This is great.
1424
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:21,000
So, yeah, I don't know if I necessarily agree with everything being decriminalised.
1425
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,000
You know, there's certain party drugs and stuff like that.
1426
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,000
Yeah, OK, for personal use.
1427
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,000
But then, you know, are they going to decriminalise?
1428
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,000
Let's take weed, for example.
1429
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,000
That's a nice easy one to do.
1430
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,000
Are they going to decriminalise growing it?
1431
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,000
So, you know, are you going to be allowed to grow it?
1432
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,000
How many plants are you allowed to grow?
1433
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,000
How far does this go, Sean?
1434
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,000
Yeah, exactly.
1435
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,000
We know that there are certain drugs that are much more dangerous.
1436
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,000
Is it going to be taxed? Do we go like Amsterdam?
1437
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,000
That's why it's an evidence approach.
1438
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,000
They haven't put a lot of meat on the bone.
1439
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,000
They've said we need to form an approach,
1440
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,000
form this commission.
1441
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,000
To agree and debate the approach.
1442
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,000
To agree how we're going to report it.
1443
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,000
That's something that, but I mean, they could have at least put a little bit of something in there, you know.
1444
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,000
Push to decriminalise personal possession of drugs.
1445
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:17,000
These are those drugs that we're thinking, you know, something.
1446
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:24,000
So, yes, chloroform is legal in the UK because its main use is air conditioning.
1447
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,000
Oh, really? No way.
1448
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,000
Yeah.
1449
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:28,000
I didn't know that.
1450
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,000
It's used for air conditioners.
1451
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,000
So it is legal to possess chloroform in the UK.
1452
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,000
So the Greens are obviously going in quite gung-ho here.
1453
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,000
Yes, definitely.
1454
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,000
And it's quite...
1455
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,000
Very, very left-wing.
1456
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,000
Very left-wing.
1457
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,000
The whole, there's a lot of money again.
1458
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:51,000
It seems like a general theme throughout the Greens manifesto, really, doesn't it?
1459
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,000
So lots of money.
1460
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,000
But do, is money necessarily the answer?
1461
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,000
Always in running a country.
1462
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,000
Never.
1463
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,000
More money equals more good.
1464
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,000
We always know that less money is more good.
1465
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,000
OK, on to reform.
1466
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,000
You've been with us for over an hour now and we appreciate it greatly.
1467
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,000
We do. We love you.
1468
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,000
We're nearly there. We love you very much.
1469
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,000
OK, Nyech, what you got?
1470
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,000
Well, he's put a number on it.
1471
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,000
Whoa.
1472
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:26,000
40,000 new police officers over five years.
1473
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,000
That's crazy.
1474
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,000
How much does a new police officer get paid?
1475
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,000
Around £21,000.
1476
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:37,000
So it's £21,000 times £40,000.
1477
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,000
Lawns mapping.
1478
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,000
How much is that going to cost?
1479
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,000
£840 million.
1480
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,000
So this is over five years.
1481
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:52,000
So it might not cost that much for the people here, but say you hired 40,000 new officers in year one.
1482
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,000
That's how much it would cost you to pay them.
1483
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,000
£840 million, yes.
1484
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,000
Is that by five?
1485
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,000
£4.2 billion.
1486
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,000
That's a lot of money.
1487
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,000
Not as much as I was thinking, though.
1488
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,000
Still a lot of money.
1489
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,000
But obviously...
1490
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,000
Considering this is point number one.
1491
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,000
Hang on.
1492
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,000
So I would add...
1493
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,000
So one, two, three, four, five, six...
1494
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:24,000
I would add eight per cent onto that for like pay rises and stuff like that over the five years.
1495
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,000
So there's a rough fag packet maths, right?
1496
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:31,000
That's £4.6 billion.
1497
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,000
£4.6 billion quid.
1498
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,000
Still a fucking lot of money.
1499
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:35,000
It is a lot of money.
1500
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:39,000
And that's just point number one in the whole Police Crime and Justice section four of four.
1501
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,000
OK, right.
1502
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,000
So a lot of money already spent, Night.
1503
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,000
A countdown on all crime and antisocial behaviour.
1504
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:45,000
How?
1505
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,000
40,000 new officers.
1506
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,000
OK, fair enough.
1507
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,000
Answer my own question there.
1508
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,000
Prison for all violent crimes and knife possession.
1509
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,000
The prisons are already full, Night.
1510
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,000
Where are you going to put them?
1511
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,000
Prisons.
1512
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,000
Yeah, but where are you going to put them?
1513
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,000
Prisons.
1514
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,000
No, no.
1515
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,000
There's no space left in the prisons, Night.
1516
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,000
It's not like the NHS.
1517
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,000
You can't treat people in a hallway.
1518
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,000
OK, so what's your question?
1519
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,000
My question is, where are you going to put them?
1520
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,000
Prisons.
1521
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,000
Fuck off.
1522
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:16,000
So drug dealing and trafficking will carry a mandatory life sentence?
1523
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:17,000
Yeah.
1524
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:18,000
What?
1525
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,000
Yeah.
1526
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,000
So you're smiling at me right now.
1527
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,000
I know you can't see this, everyone listening at home.
1528
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,000
But you're smiling at me right now.
1529
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:30,000
Is this going to get increasingly fucking crazy as we go through?
1530
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,000
Maybe.
1531
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,000
I genuinely can't remember what's coming up.
1532
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:37,000
If you're selling 20 quid's worth of weed on the street corner to your mate.
1533
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,000
Life in prison.
1534
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,000
Life sentence for you, my friend.
1535
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,000
Life in prison.
1536
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:45,000
Introduce a new offence of substantial possession of drugs which will carry a heavy fine.
1537
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,000
Yeah.
1538
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,000
But apparently, remember, drug dealing, hang on that, mandatory life sentence.
1539
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:53,000
Hang on, so what happens to possession with intent to supply?
1540
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,000
Mandatory life sentence.
1541
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,000
OK.
1542
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,000
Prison.
1543
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:58,000
This, OK, right.
1544
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:05,000
As a lawyer, Sean, in the legal profession, we're only on point five right now.
1545
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,000
Is this making any sense whatsoever?
1546
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,000
No.
1547
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:09,000
No, right, OK.
1548
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:15,000
Increase the use of stop and search substantially so we've gone from the fucking left all the way over to the right.
1549
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,000
Yeah, we couldn't have got any further to the right if we tried.
1550
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:27,000
We match through the centre wall and straight into Nigel Farage's back garden, sipping on a martini with him going, yeah.
1551
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,000
Stop and search everyone.
1552
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,000
Stop and search everyone.
1553
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,000
Yeah, they really think that stop and search is the answer.
1554
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:37,000
And as I said, I think it is a right, a power that the police need to have.
1555
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:43,000
Whether we increase the use of stab stabs, I already feel that it's used a lot more than it probably could be.
1556
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:52,000
If we increase that, that opens the floodgates to lawsuits against the police, to be honest.
1557
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,000
Yeah.
1558
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,000
All right.
1559
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,000
New police leadership and recruitment regime.
1560
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,000
Well, hang on a minute.
1561
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:00,000
I think you should get the recruitment regime in before you recruit the 40,000 officers, no?
1562
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,000
That should have come before that, no?
1563
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,000
Maybe.
1564
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,000
Just going to point that out.
1565
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:12,000
With a strong preference to ex-military officers and personnel, I mean, that is something that the police currently do anyway.
1566
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,000
They do, yeah.
1567
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,000
So they're always better.
1568
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:26,000
Right, and they do have like, when you, you know, if you start as a, you know, start at the police service right at the bottom, I believe you need to have a degree of some description.
1569
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,000
You can go in at entry level.
1570
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,000
You can go in at entry level.
1571
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,000
There are roots in that entry level that you get a qualification out of it.
1572
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,000
If you do the police graduate scheme, you start as a detective.
1573
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,000
Yeah.
1574
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:43,000
So yeah, that's good, but yeah, maybe put the recruitment regime in first before you try to recruit 40,000 officers.
1575
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,000
It might go a little bit, yeah.
1576
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,000
No, it's just a thought, buddy.
1577
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,000
But yeah, I like the idea.
1578
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:51,000
I suppose it bolsters the idea that we're going to be able to recruit more.
1579
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,000
Yeah.
1580
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:56,000
Ensure police return to the beat and utilise tech to reduce lost time on paperwork.
1581
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,000
Yeah.
1582
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,000
Yeah, okay, good.
1583
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,000
But tech always can go wrong.
1584
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,000
What happens when it goes wrong?
1585
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:05,000
You end up doing contingency, which means he's running along writing in his little notepad.
1586
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,000
I asked him to stop.
1587
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:08,000
Oi, fuck up.
1588
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:09,000
Stop.
1589
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,000
I shouted at him.
1590
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,000
That's the thing.
1591
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,000
Technology, we need to, it needs to be robust technology.
1592
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,000
It needs to be for the emergency services.
1593
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,000
It needs to be robust and it needs to be foolproof.
1594
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,000
It needs to be easy to use and it can't go wrong.
1595
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:24,000
Yeah.
1596
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:25,000
It can't go wrong.
1597
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:33,000
I do agree that police officers need to be able to spend less time behind their desks for paperwork and be able to spend more time on the streets.
1598
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,000
I do agree with that point though.
1599
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,000
Justice in action.
1600
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:42,000
Alright, they're also going to allow PCSOs to become officers before phasing out the role.
1601
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,000
Yes.
1602
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:49,000
I don't necessarily agree with that because I think PCSOs do have a positive impact on smaller communities.
1603
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,000
Definitely.
1604
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,000
If they're in the right areas.
1605
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:57,000
And I think for some people they do, they don't want to be a full on police officer.
1606
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,000
They do just want to be a PCSO.
1607
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,000
Yeah, because it's about that community outreach.
1608
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:05,000
Yeah, we've dealt with PCSO in the past and she loved her role but she didn't want to be a full on officer.
1609
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,000
She was dead against it.
1610
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,000
Yeah, it's about that community outreach aspect of the role.
1611
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:14,000
So I feel that they're necessary in certain areas, in the right areas.
1612
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,000
Yeah, okay.
1613
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,000
We're going even further to the right now.
1614
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,000
We're so far to the right.
1615
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,000
We're on Jupiter.
1616
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,000
Yeah.
1617
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:23,000
Right?
1618
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,000
Yeah, yeah.
1619
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,000
We are.
1620
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:30,000
Scrap all diversity, equality and inclusion roles and regulations.
1621
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,000
Yes.
1622
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:36,000
That's a very backwards move in today's society.
1623
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,000
They've got that bit wrong.
1624
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:44,000
That is very, obviously it's taken us back into the 70s and 80s.
1625
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,000
Yeah, I don't agree with that at all.
1626
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,000
Sorry, Reform.
1627
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:51,000
I think you might have actually lost my potential vote on that point.
1628
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,000
But yeah, that is, it's a very bold statement.
1629
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:56,000
We need that.
1630
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,000
You can't get rid of that.
1631
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,000
We need that.
1632
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,000
Yeah, I don't agree with that at all.
1633
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,000
Reform, the independent office of police conduct.
1634
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:07,000
I do agree that while it is fit for purpose currently, it could do with a bit of reform.
1635
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:17,000
It could do, given that, you know, it's been under a lot of scrutiny recently with all the issues that have come up in the police force around the country.
1636
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,000
And yeah, everything can be improved, right?
1637
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,000
Uh-huh.
1638
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:22,000
Nothing's ever perfect.
1639
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:27,000
So it couldn't hurt to reform it, definitely.
1640
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,000
All right.
1641
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaking of reforming, they want to reform police and crime commissioners, but happy out there, they might scrap them as well.
1642
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:40,000
Yeah, so they're not 100% sure.
1643
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:41,000
They're going to review.
1644
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,000
Yeah.
1645
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,000
Love a review.
1646
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:46,000
Love a good review.
1647
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:50,000
But yeah, depending on the review, they might scrap police and crime commissioners.
1648
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:54,000
They might reform how they work with the powers that they have.
1649
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,000
Yeah.
1650
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,000
Because we vote for these, don't we?
1651
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,000
We vote for them, usually at the local elections.
1652
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,000
Yes.
1653
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,000
And we'll vote for police and crime.
1654
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,000
What else?
1655
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,000
So yeah, quite...
1656
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,000
Some really strong statements from reform.
1657
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,000
Finally, they want to depoliticise the College of Policing.
1658
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,000
I don't really see how it's politicised.
1659
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,000
No, it's...
1660
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:20,000
I think Nigel would just sat there with a cigar and he went, yeah, just put that in there.
1661
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,000
Just put it in, why not?
1662
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:22,000
Yeah.
1663
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:23,000
It's one of them things.
1664
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,000
People argue that it's politicised, people argue that it isn't.
1665
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,000
So frankly, I'm disgusted by that.
1666
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,000
If I'm honest.
1667
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,000
It's not a good look at all.
1668
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:34,000
No?
1669
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,000
No.
1670
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,000
We need equality, Moles.
1671
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:40,000
We need to ensure that there is somebody within these massive companies, public sectors,
1672
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,000
that are enjoying that everyone is treated fairly.
1673
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,000
And it needs to be someone that is outside of that executive bubble.
1674
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:46,000
Definitely.
1675
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,000
You know, we've come quite...
1676
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,000
We were talking about this yesterday.
1677
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,000
We're quite lucky in this country.
1678
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,000
Yeah.
1679
01:19:53,000 --> 01:20:01,000
To benefit from quite high protections when it comes to diversity and equality.
1680
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:07,000
And if we roll back on that, then how will we look on the world stage for a start?
1681
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,000
Yep.
1682
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:16,000
And secondly, how many people will that negatively impact?
1683
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:29,000
There are many, many people that what we would now say fall into diversity and that.
1684
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,000
I just think it is the wrong direction.
1685
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,000
We need to be moving forward and accepting people.
1686
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:37,000
Disappointing end there, Nig.
1687
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,000
Well, I mean, look, place of crime.
1688
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:40,000
Wow.
1689
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,000
A lot there.
1690
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:49,000
It looks like a lot of our friends in Westminster and in the parties have put a lot of thought into this
1691
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,000
and have put a lot of meat on the bone, especially the Tories.
1692
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,000
Yeah.
1693
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,000
For me, again, they've come out on top.
1694
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,000
Oh, OK.
1695
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:03,000
I think while Labour do have some good things in there, I just can't...
1696
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,000
There's just too much.
1697
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,000
There's too much going on.
1698
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:12,000
Ban Ninja Sword, strengthen rules to prevent illegal online knife sales by holding executives to account.
1699
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,000
Every youth caught in possession are referred to a young offenders institute.
1700
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:20,000
It's just there is so much bureaucracy going on there that it's...
1701
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,000
I'm sorry, but it's not going to work.
1702
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,000
It's not going to work.
1703
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:31,000
Like the whole thing around the strengthening online knife sales or strengthening rules around to prevent it.
1704
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:32,000
Yeah.
1705
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:39,000
I get that, yes, we need to do something about that, but it's holding executives who sometimes don't have...
1706
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:45,000
don't necessarily have control over these things being sold because they take the necessary steps.
1707
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:46,000
Yeah.
1708
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,000
And people find ways around them.
1709
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:56,000
And then the companies are obviously continuously working to try and prevent stuff like this
1710
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,000
because it negatively impacts their shares.
1711
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:00,000
Yeah, you're right.
1712
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:06,000
And that, so while it's idealistic, is it the right approach?
1713
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,000
No, I don't agree.
1714
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,000
Lib Dems, pretty lackluster.
1715
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,000
Green, too right.
1716
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,000
Reform, too left.
1717
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,000
That opposite direction.
1718
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,000
Sorry, wrong way.
1719
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,000
Yeah, sorry.
1720
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:18,000
Greens, too left.
1721
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,000
Reform, too right.
1722
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,000
Yeah.
1723
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,000
Very, very opposite ends of the spectrum.
1724
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:27,000
Yeah, I mean, I think that was the net in the coffin for me for Reform.
1725
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,000
You know, they had some good, they have had some good points before.
1726
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,000
Oh yeah, definitely.
1727
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,000
I think every party looking through the manifesto...
1728
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,000
They've all had, I think they've all shone at one point.
1729
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,000
Yeah.
1730
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,000
As an undecided vote, that's what's making it harder for me.
1731
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:47,000
It's difficult to... the only one that I would say it was difficult to really get behind was the Greens
1732
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:51,000
because their manifesto was so over the top.
1733
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,000
Yeah.
1734
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,000
But I was like, it's just unrealistic.
1735
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,000
It was desperation, wasn't it?
1736
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,000
Yeah.
1737
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,000
That's how it came across to me.
1738
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,000
It just chucked absolutely everything at me.
1739
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,000
We know none of it's going to get done, so...
1740
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,000
Alright then, well, Manifesto Destiny 8,
1741
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,000
Police Crime and Justice is done.
1742
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,000
Is done.
1743
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,000
Thank you so much for listening.
1744
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:16,000
We'll be back in a quick 10-minute roundup in the public service announcement coming up next.
1745
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,000
But we love you, we'll speak to you soon.
1746
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,000
We'll be back on our normal slot of Wednesdays.
1747
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,000
We'll be recording on a Wednesday and then we release it on a Thursday.
1748
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:28,000
So, on Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts, do listen in.
1749
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,000
Sean, anything from your good self?
1750
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,000
No, thank you everyone for stopping by.
1751
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,000
It's been a pleasure as always, Chris.
1752
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:39,000
And don't forget to listen to our little PSA that will be out on Spotify,
1753
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,000
probably tomorrow, which would be Election Day.
1754
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:47,000
And just one final note, please, please go and vote.
1755
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,000
It's the only thing that the government gives you for free, so please go and vote.
1756
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,000
Yes, you must vote.
1757
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,000
We love you, we'll see you soon.
1758
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:54,000
We love you.
1759
01:23:54,000 --> 01:24:23,000
Bye.