Episode 21: Integration, Improvements to be made and Rule changes.

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Hi, and you're very welcome back to the Talk and Komoki podcast.
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It's been a few weeks now, all right, obviously.
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But I'm joined this week now by Elaine Darmidi.
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I'm making his first appearance on the pod.
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Brian Brofey.
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Elaine, you're very welcome back.
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And Brian, welcome very welcome, Pod, it's great to have you on.
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Thanks, Joe.
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Great to be on.
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Yeah, good to see you guys.
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So look, you know why obviously since we've been on, but so the big news coming out from last week, I thought is the whole integration and all that, and seems to be a massive setback.
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So, like it's just Brian, if I get quick political opinion on what what you think of it what's going on at the moment, like and what happened in the last week.
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I'm not really surprised because I always thought it'd be a hard thing to get over, to get over the line.
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Uh Joe.
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A few years ago, I I coded St.
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Bridget's at Valley Callan in Kilkenny.
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And like, for example, they're called St.
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Bridget's and the boys is Greg Valley Callan.
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So there's two separate clubs using the same facilities, but the comogi are really using the hurling facilities.
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If that's I'm actually still a member.
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So even when I found that strange, because again, been up here in Dublin with Luke and Sarsfields, it's one club.
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So you've got throughout the country, you've got different setups.
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And I just thought how they were going to get all this, marry it all together, was going to be very, very hard.
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And they didn't just what you're thinking about.
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Like obviously it was never going to be easy anyway.
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Like we were kind of saying that ourselves just before we started talking, but it was always going to be complicated.
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And we're glad we're not involved in it, but like just get your opinion on it.
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Yeah, and I know what Brian said, it's very, very complex to be fair to the organizations.
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I think you know, even a small thing, I mean, as I'm thinking about during the week, like the insurance side of it, say no, I'm not completely sure what the LGFA do, but like in Komo we the players take out kind of private insurance as part of their membership, and it's with a private insurance company with the GA.
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Sorry, so it's it's a self self-insured situation where they have their own their own pot.
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You know, there's there's so much between amalgamations and combinations and you know memberships, and you know, it's it's very, very complex.
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The only thing, Joe, is that like the silence on it for so long, you know, like even I mean, I'm involved at club level, both in in our GA club and our commodity club, and like people that often bring it up every now and then, you know, have you heard Anthony?
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No, like there's been there was no communication, and I think that's that's the problem then that when you have no communication going on, nobody knows where it's at.
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And then when they hear that it's kind of reaching a bit of a stalemate, then there's uproar about it.
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I think if they had come out maybe at various times and said, Look, we're working away on it, but they're we're hitting complexities with this, that, and the other, bear with us.
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You know, you could um you could understand it.
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I look at it, I think there's a load of things at play, Joe.
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You'd probably need two to three hours.
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I mean, what's the appetite with the three organizations?
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I'd have to question.
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And I mean, I know the GE are getting a lot of heat, and and probably rightly so, but the silence from the other two organizations as well has been a little bit mystifying, you know.
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On the ground, I think people want it to be done.
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You just wonder at all the top tables do they really, really want it done?
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Because no more about any merger, people are going to lose out, people are gonna lose maybe their roles, maybe their not necessarily their jobs, but maybe perks and different things.
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And you just wonder what is the real appetite at the top level to get this thing done.
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That's what I would create, and and I include the three organizations in that, to be honest.
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That's you could make a good point there.
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I'd agree with you there, actually.
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That's the problem, it's not just in within GA or the COGI position as you have.
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It's uh anything like this, where there's a major kind of merger like this, there's always gonna be pushback from certain levels.
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Anyway, I suppose we expect that, like you know, and like obviously with Mary McElee stepping away and like says it's full no longer commits to be target by 2027.
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Like, I suppose it was always gonna be hard to have it by I know we discussed it earlier on in the year on the previous episode, and it was said that it's probably hard to see it happening in the time frame anyway, but it's certainly not gonna happen now anywhere by the looks of things, and look, who knows when that will happen.
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But just I suppose, as you said, yeah, that level at the top level push them up.
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Like there's a lot of Brian said already, you know, there's a lot of clubs have already using the one, you know, the one club initiative, like but there's still there's a lot of clubs around the country that aren't like you know, and you can see from even in within Austria, like there's certain clubs, you know, you might see find it hard to to see it happen even with the club, like certain clubs just don't seem to be one pride like or with certain members like a certain club and are against it.
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Like you can yeah, I think if clubs have gotten it over the line with the one club model, though.
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I mean, let's let's take those success stories and see how did they get it done, how did they get it to work, what were the problems they encountered, and not saying it's going to work on a national level then is a very big difference.
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I think though, Joe, I mean, yeah, certainly, I and it's only anecdotal, I mean, really, what you hear, but I think in awfully most clubs have maybe without saying it, they they have very good relationships.
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Certainly a lot better than at the beginning of when I started playing, you know, and you were begging for the pitch and you were, you know, can we have this?
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And we can only have the pitch nearly if the lads are not training, and you could have under 12 boys given priority over a senior ladies team.
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I don't see that kind of happening anymore, uh, certainly around us and certainly in in our club anyway.
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Again, we're a rural club, smallish numbers, a lot of the same families all involved.
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So it's in everybody's interest that we work, we work together.
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And look at pitches as only I think we can get bogged down on those things, but pitches is only one small thing.
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I I think I think there's a much, as I said, I'm repeating myself, I think there's a much bigger swell of support at the grassroots level than there is at the top level.
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Why that is, I don't know.
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Maybe I'm being unfair on them, but I mean we can change, and again, you're not comparing like with like, but you can change, you can rip up 130 years of football rules there in a year and and bring in totally change the whole sport nearly, you could say, and the whole game.
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You could do that in in a year because the will was there and the energy was there and the resources were obviously given to it.
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But so why can't we get even why couldn't we get even a portion of the integration piece done in a year, be it membership, be it expenses, you know, something, get something done.
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You don't have to have a big bang that everything is delivered all at once.
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You can have little wins all the way along, but it just seems like nothing has been achieved whatsoever, which is the most disappointing thing.
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We're and again, maybe I'm wrong, and Brian, maybe you're you're more in tune with it than I am, but I don't see any advancements on where we were three or four years ago.
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I don't think there's anything been achieved, really, has there?
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No, and I think to the point that you made, Elaine, it was very, very quiet leading up to it.
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I didn't hear any of the other organizations coming out and even maybe leaking stuff to say there's nothing happening here.
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So that they'd be wanting to change, so they'd let something out to say it's not going well.
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Yeah, you let it out there in the paper or on some radio show, whatever, to kick started.
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That didn't come from any of the organizations that the grassroots members want to change.
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Again, because again, in rural clubs or any clubs, you'll have sisters and brothers playing, you know, for the same club, the same team, and they go watch the senior team in the afternoon, and the boys will come along and watch the girl.
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And it should be a natural thing.
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But I think the other point that you made, like there'll be one president, so there won't be four presidents.
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There will only be one president of the Munster Council, the Leinster Council, the Connup Council, and all this stuff.
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And I think, and again, could be unfair, maybe that's something why they didn't come out and say anything.
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Because all that would all obviously would have to shrink.
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But the other main thing, obviously, that Charlotte Burns made was like most things in life, money comes into it somewhere along the line.
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And there was a big thing made about how much money this would cost and where the money would come from.
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But again, if that was obvious from the start, but it's only coming out now when it's getting near to 2027, everything else went very, very quiet a lane.
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So again, I I don't know the answer.
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I was skeptical it would happen from the get-go because I thought, God, how can you get LGFA, Camoge, and the all on site, everybody singing off the one hymn sheet again at official level?
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I I thought that's that's going to be like you know, trying to get peace in the north, to put it that way, to get all the parties to come together to eventually to agree.
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So look, I'd love to see it happen.
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I think most people would, but will it, I'd be skeptical.
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Yeah, I think I think Joe as well, there's there is a bigger appetite there for now.
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I think to be fair to the G8, certainly at the grassroots level where I suppose most we're kind of operating, you know, like look at the lads that make a joke about it and whatever, but I do think they genuinely want to have the organizations joined together.
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They genuinely want, look, and it's it's it's the women's organizations are going to the ladies' organizations are the ones that are going to probably win out here a little bit.
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But I think the men are realizing as well that they'll win out too, in terms of you know, having really, really good people involved as well, and and you know, not and teaching the next generation that it doesn't matter whether you're a a boy or a girl or whatever, you're gonna have equal playing equal access to facilities, equal gear, whatever it is, small things, cup of tea after training, whatever it is.
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And and I think there is really, really an appetite, and I think our society is kind of bringing that true now as well.
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So it just seems the most disappointing for me is it just seems nothing has been achieved.
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Like it's they've delivered, there's nothing has been delivered.
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Like I said, if if if something had been delivered, a common membership scheme or a common insurance scheme or a common expenses scheme or something, but it just seems like nothing has been achieved, which is the most disappointing thing.
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So I think Brian, you're right.
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You're probably right to be skeptical of it when it was first muted as well.
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It's a you know, it certainly seems that you're 100% on the ball there because you just you just wonder.
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Yeah, like you said that if the I suppose the biggest concern is that there doesn't seem to be anything has happened in the last file or anything, and we've haven't been hearing anything up until this announcement last week.
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But I just say odd integration, it's a question.
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I if it does happen or anything like that, do you think you feel that there might be a danger that, like, say Camogey and Ladies Hootball in particular, you know, end up being more observed into GA rather than being maybe equal partners of the GA.
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Do you see something like that happening?
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If it does happen, would you would you be fearful if something like that happening?
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I I I wouldn't be no.
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No, because I I I think the game will think we'll talk camoe.
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I think it'll speak for itself.
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I think it's improved, physicality is improved with better crowds this year, semi-finals, finals.
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And I think the work that the girls are put in and the skill that they're showing, I I think it'll shine true personally.
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Yeah, I'd agree with that too.
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I don't I don't think so true.
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I think actually it'll get more exposure.
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And to be honest, it's it's almost like um do you know when you've got two teams, two clubs maybe joined together, you know, we'll have A and B.
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You know, there's always that division of them being A and B, and whether there's a captain from the A club or captain from the B club, and whether they wear the same different coloured socks when they're playing all this.
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I think it'll just it'll take out all that division, and they'll just be GEA players.
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Don't be, or whatever we want to call it, don't be I'm a camoe player, I'm a like even the whole thing of camoe.
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I mean, should it just be hurling luck?
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And it's played by girls, you know, like you know, I think it'll it'll take away the longer you have divisions and separation, kind of in my opinion, the more things stick out, and the more you know, I think if it's all incorporated in, I think everybody really is kind of equal, you know.
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And I I I can't see that being an issue.
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And I I think there's so many good people involved in in in the organizations now, certainly down the food chain that I I think they they wouldn't allow, you know.
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I don't think we're gonna go back to a situation where you know uh ladies' sports will be second-class citizens or anything like that.
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I think I I'd like to think that day is gone and that you know it's it's it's an equal playing field now, to be honest.
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And like obviously, probably the 2007 deadline doesn't look like it's gonna happen, but do you think there should be a new deadline set then?
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Or because it's just at the moment nothing's really just it's open-ended, really, more than anything, and we don't really know what's going on.
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We haven't heard anything.
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And do you think maybe the government or sport ireland, maybe something like that organization should be putting a bit more pressure on the three organizations maybe to get maybe not get it done but get some something done as you said it and you know it could not seem to really been done and maybe it's that seen something happening or some sort of you know come push along or something.
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Well, for me, Joe, I think the the biggest decision, and I'd be very interested to see who takes on chairing it.
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Because if Mary Macalese couldn't make it work, will there be a lot of people stepping forward to volunteer for that role?
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Yeah.
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I'll be waiting to hear who the chairperson is.
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I think that'll be interesting to see can they do what she couldn't obviously felt herself wasn't going to be achievable.
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Well, I yes, I I do think Joe as well, if the Sports Council or the government or whoever, I'm not, you know, the Department of Sport or whatever, withhold certain funding that they give to the GA and Kamoe and the LGFA, and they withhold a portion of that on condition of getting this stuff done, I think you'll find it'll reach the top, it'll reach the top of the priority list fairly quick.
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I think it it may have to come to that.
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It may have to come to someone saying, that's fine, that's no problem.
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And ladies, but um, we're withholding 50% or something like that, unless certain targets are achieved by this date and certain targets are achieved.
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And there's nothing like the threat of withholding a few quid to to to focus the minds and get a job done, you know, in all of the organizations' interests.
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I I think it's going to come to that because I think it was a big story last week and it's already kind of disappearing under the radar, and something else will come along.
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We we live in a very in the moment society, so it's you know, it's a big show at the minute.
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But until there's a slow news day, it probably won't rear its head again for a long time.
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And that's kind of the way the organizations like to deal it.
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They ride out the storm and then you know, um, you know, it'll hope it goes away.
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That's the impression I get.
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That's yeah, that could be the case.
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Like, I think there'll be a lot of people just thought, but it'll go away and one we talk about it.
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Well, look, I suppose for now all we can do is just wait and see how the next maybe few weeks play out.
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Maybe that comes along, maybe the government will step in now where it's worth Ireland or something, and we'll see what happens anyway.
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But look, I suppose we're going just looking back, I suppose, on this year in Camoge again.
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I know we've talked a bit about O'Brien.
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I know you've I spoke to you before a few not that long ago, like and you know, about the the year that you know the comoge, how the new format, like and all that.
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And just just you had a few opinions on what you thought of the how the format was, like, and maybe you weren't you didn't you thought maybe that it doesn't really help the small smaller, I don't know if all them smaller countries, but you know, the county just there behind that it's not improving them really.
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It's not getting them up to the standard maybe of the top teams or that, you know.
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Well, it's maybe making the games more competitive and all that, but it's not improving the teams.
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You were the right of opinion, weren't you?
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Yeah, I didn't like it at all, Joe.
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I thought for the four teams that were deemed to be in the we'll call it the A championship, to allow somebody to lose all their matches and qualify.
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And also I think what people missed was a big thing I was big on, was it hugely affected the under-23 championship because the teams in A were out two weeks later than the the six teams that were in, we'll call we'll call it the one I think it was one B, whatever way.
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So the likes of Cork were able to play all-stars and senior players in a 23 championship.
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I'll give you an example.
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Like I think there was out of there was 18 girls in Kilkenny who were under 23 last year.
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Three of them played under 23s.
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So because they had five games in a group of six, Ashley McCarty, I could list them off Quiva Morta Kerr, Ava Brett, Sophia Kerr, Ashley O'Sullivan, so on, so on, so on.
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To me, it totally degraded the under-23 championships because Bar Cork and probably Galway, all the other teams didn't play their best 23s in the 23 competition.
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Waterford took absolutely no interest in it, lost all their matches, and got relegated, right?
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Or presume they'll be relegated unless the rules change.
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So in any competition, you want to see the best playing the best.
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Now I can understand it from McCork and a Galway point of view.
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Galway don't have a conduct.
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They're able to, they were out two weeks later.
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So we girls coming back maybe from the club championship.
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Obviously, that they won.
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The same with Cork with Finn Bars with Cahaland.
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We'll give them a few games with the 23s, they win.
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But to me, it ruined that competition.
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And it allowed the team who was bottomed to go into the quarter final.
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Yet the teams in one and two were seeded.
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Waterford, who were third, to me should have played Claire, Tip should have played Kilkenny.
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And even how they came about to seed in Tipperary was based on them beating Kilkenny in a quarter final the year before in extra time.
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While if until Cork won the final, in this decade, Kilkenny had two All Irelands, Galway had two, and Cork had two.
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Yet they came about how they came to judge the Tipperary would be in the top.
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I again I I I just couldn't get it.
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And I thought the two fives is the way to go, personally.
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And like I said, to me, without taking away from Cork, and I know Cork have referenced it the good feeling that they got from winning.
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But I think anybody in Camogey circles, when you see the team, sure, if they didn't win it, in my eyes, there would have been something wrong.
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They actually lost to Kilkenny in the round robin because their seniors were playing tip in the ch in this in the Munster Championship the same day.
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So a lot of the girls didn't play.
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And then they roll out in the final and the hammer the hammer Kilkenny, who didn't play, who could have played a different 15 girls altogether.
00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:21.920
So you've different county boards taken a different light on the 23s because with with their seniors in mind.
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So for me, that was my thing with with that impacted the senior impacted on the 23 competition as well as the senior competition itself.
00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:38.880
So so that was that's just my viewpoint on it anyway.
00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:41.519
Elaine, just but get your opinion on it there.
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Yeah, no, it's look, it's a it's a great point.
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I I hadn't factored in under 23, I'll be honest with it.
00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:50.799
I I like the format, but I do think the five and five is better.
00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:54.319
I think there has to be like there's no jeopardy in that top group, none whatsoever.
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And we all like a little bit of jeopardy.
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If you had a five-team group up there and for them make it through to the knockout stages, I just think it's you know it's more effective of performance.
00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:04.640
I totally agree with Brian.
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I mean, a team winning no games and making the quarter final.
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And the good thing about it was take Kikenny out of it, I suppose that second group was seriously competitive.
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Like you could have anybody beating anybody on any given day, and it was very, very, very, very tight.
00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:22.799
So I I I would agree five and five, I think, is is the way to go.
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I haven't factored in the under-23 championship, probably I suppose a little bit off the ball.
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Often we don't have an under 23 team, so wouldn't be as close to it as I should be, probably in terms of watching it.
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But it's a great point Brian makes, and I can see the complexity of of that and and the the you know the difficulties, especially look, Cork and Galway can probably cope that bit better just in terms of the volume of players that they have.
00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.559
But look, there's only there's only an infinite amount of quality as well.
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So everybody wants the same players on all their teams.
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But I do like the idea maybe of a strong and a weak group.
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I there's pros and cons for it.
00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:09.359
But as we said, as I said before, Joe, the last thing sometimes you want is you know, the sports news there and and they're calling out scores and they're calling out maybe Cork 523 and the day awfully just because they're my own county one four or something like that.
00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:10.079
Now look at it.
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Well, I'm not saying that would happen, but we've seen that happen down through the years of of you know when there's such a gap.
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And especially when scoring difference was was is is deemed to be uh you know a marker as well, you know, that that those strong teams would would really put the boot down.
00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:26.960
And I don't think it it helps anybody.
00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:28.640
So yeah, I like it.
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I I think the five and five though, I think, I think Jeopardy, there has to be jeopardy in both groups.
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I think otherwise it it just kind of takes it away a little bit, takes away the I don't know, the the aura of it a little bit or the excitement of it a little bit.
00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:51.279
I think you agree, like I think like if you have a situation where all four teams come out, there's only four teams in a group and they all come out of group, there's no just take away competitiveness, really.
00:21:51.359 --> 00:22:01.839
Like the team they just know they can take it easy, like and they can build up them for the not supposed acquaintances, and there's always jeopardy, like and it just Doesn't make sense really well.
00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:14.880
Like the whole point of the competition is you know, so you have competit games and everyone's gonna even if you had as you said four teams come out of five, you know, at least you have to win at least one game, then anyway, just to make sure you get out and you so it make it a little bit more interesting.
00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:28.720
But even there, like just on the whole thing, like you know, as you say, like obviously you have your probably your top four or five teams, like like cock and go is still as we see, are I supposed a long way ahead of the rest of them?
00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:39.119
Like maybe you have your temporary one for maybe the kidney, then just after that, and David Claire, but then you have probably the rest, like how do how do they get their messing teams up?
00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:41.759
I know it's hard to that level, like you know.
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I know I suppose you have to start the underage, but like it's it can be hard for I suppose some of the county's maybe to put in the effort and to work underage.
00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:58.480
Like you'd need a bit of help from the Knogey Association as well, like the bring it up, like because as you said, like it's start there.
00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:05.759
You look at them now bring it in at senior level, like what the teams that they're not gonna improve too much more players when they're already at senior level.
00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:15.920
Like it has to start like that, maybe under 14, under 15 level, and all that, if they're gonna and be competing at that level against them, because it says it's probably too late when they get senior level to get to the level that was required.
00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:22.960
Well, definitely I've always been of the opinion, Joe, I it has to start at at 13.
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Any county that wants to be successful, it has for me that's where they have to put it in in order to be successful at 15.
00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:39.920
And even though, say, the All Ireland blitz at 14, it's non-competitive and all that.
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I'll just give you a simple stat.
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And one of them were beaten in the final by a point by Galway.
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So four out of the last five, they've been in the final.
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And a fourth, if you're not there, start at 14, you won't be at 16.
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And they've won the last two minors, they won at 14.
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The Tipperary, I think I'd make Tipperary, for example, I think they've a very good under 16s next year because they won the 14s.
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I think 10 of them played up this year as 15s on the 16s.
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And this is where you need to to do it.
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If you if you want it, it's where you have to start.
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That's where you need to go back to.
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If for any county for me that wants to progress, it's back at that 13-14 age group.
00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:37.119
And again, a long time ago in 2018, unfortunately, with Dublin, we actually got to the final at under 14.
00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.519
But there's five of them have now got football at all or the medals.
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You you know, for example, but that's where you start if you if if you want to if if you want to improve.
00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:58.640
And I I think Galway did four in a row at under 16, Cork did four in a row at under 16, and now Kilkenny are going for three in a row at minor.
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And they are the three counties, Galway, Cork, and Kilkenny are the ones that are producing them.
00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:07.920
Like see that, like, shouldn't differ the three counties.
00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:14.960
They won all the All Ireland since 2012, like, so you know you can see why that's happening, like, because they are successful at underage as well.
00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:31.039
Like, and like Elaine, like just go up to you, like when you can chew on that office team that went from junior up to senior in a couple of years, like, do you suppose you've got a lot of you that can chew underage as well, like wouldn't you, from underage teams, successful underage teams as well, like from that time.
00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:33.359
Yeah, and it's yeah, we would.
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:44.319
And I suppose looking at Waterford as well, you know, we could say they've they've really driven on to become a really, really serious team of contested in all Ireland final, again with small enough resources.
00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:47.279
But it's supposed to answer your question, where does the responsibility lie?
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:51.839
It's supposed ultimately it rel you know it's it's on the county boards.
00:25:51.920 --> 00:26:05.599
I mean, the Camoge Association, I don't know if there's scope there in terms of financial help, like to have a like a like a GPO model or something where you know coaches go around to schools or they go around to to to clubs or whatever.
00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:09.200
But like I I think it's quite it's it's a similar parallel to hurling.
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:16.480
I mean, if you look at the hurling challenge at the minute, you're talking Cork, Limerick, maybe player, maybe gone.
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:22.079
I mean, you know, you're talking, you know, you're talking about can you see anyone else like tip one in all Ireland?
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.759
But you know, could can you see anyone else kind of really breaking into that?
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:32.480
Probably, probably not, but like it does need to start at the younger age groups, but who ultimately is responsible for that?
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.119
And I think it's probably the county boards themselves.
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:38.960
And like counties like Offly are doing wonderful work.
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Like, there's there's three or four new tubs in Offaly, brand new tubs started out, you know.
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:52.160
And I think that's really, really important because you know, I remember going to an under-16 bit in Gaulway there a couple of years ago with with Offley.
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.559
And like we went there and got way to four teams, north, south, east, and west.
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We were looking to have and and each one of them really, really quality players, you know, and they were trying to pick, I think they were under 15s, they were trying to pick up for an under 16 panel the following year, and you're looking on with envy at the numbers, the volume, and you're saying to that because you can say, look, you can have a whole lot of commodity players and maybe none are any good.
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:26.480
But the thing about it is getting onto the guard with the under 16 panel is such an achievement that everything they go in there is breaking their best efforts to get onto that panel.
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:37.039
Whereas maybe in smaller counties, maybe the competition is a fierce, maybe you don't have to drive yourself on to such a hard level to make the panel, you know, and and maybe that that carries on.
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:39.119
So I think a lot of it is a numbers game.
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:43.279
It really is, and I think uh county boards are probably doing their doing their level best.
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:49.680
It would be great if financially maybe there could be a bit more expertise, maybe even on the trend and conditioning side.
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:56.880
And like I think maybe given to the those we call them the 1B teams for, for example, just to get them up again.
00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:05.279
Because again, look at the physicality of Galway and Cork versus the physicality of you know, an offly or a player or whatever.
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.279
Like it's it's there's a huge difference there.
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.960
But I think responsibility does lie with the county boards, they're doing their best.
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.000
But again, to me, a lot of it is a numbers game.
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:24.880
You would get it in those counties, in the smaller county, you would get a generation that comes along every now and then and will break through whether they'll always be competitive at contesting all Ireland's for over the course of 20 years.
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:25.359
I don't think so.
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:27.680
And I think it just mirrors what goes on in Hurling as well.
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:31.119
I think you have your two or three strong counties all the time and other counties that dip in.
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:41.839
But if you take Elaine or Joe, if if you take, say, all the teams that were in 1B at senior this year, right?
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:46.160
In the in the league now, I'm talking about the league.
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:49.599
Take take Kilkenny aside, even if you go to the championship.
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So players under 16s, players under minors, and their seniors will all be playing in the second competition.
00:28:58.400 --> 00:28:59.759
Same with Offley.
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:04.400
Limerick were a bit of an outlier, their minors were up in A, I think they're 16.
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:08.799
Wexford is is is a huge one, have really gone down.
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:19.680
I know they won the minor B or Shield or whatever you want to call it now, the second, but they were in that, they were in the 16s, and their seniors, and their seniors have even gone down to intermediate.
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:30.640
You never see at any level a Galway, Cork, or Kilkenny, those three in particular, when will you ever see them at any age group competing in the B competition?
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:32.079
Never.
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:38.079
Those three tip come and do have a team and are probably always nearly up around A as well.
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:44.559
But the those three in particular are very, very strong at all levels.
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At all levels.
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And so you've got to go back again to the 14s.
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:54.640
There are ones who are making a bit of an inroad, and from to an extent.
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:56.960
But certainly Wexford Clare have dropped off.
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.640
Now, Offili actually won the Leinster under 14s last year.
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.519
I think for might have been the first time ever.
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:04.240
I could be wrong.
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:06.640
You you've known more than me on that to you.
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:09.759
But I thought I thought that was great to see.
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:16.160
So somebody is doing something there to say, you know, that they beat Wexford Dublin to Kenny.
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:17.279
They won it.
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:23.359
So I think it's small shoots, but that's where the only way I think you'll ever get it through to senior.
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:30.160
And don't forget, you can see six, well, under the rules now, again, uh in Camoge, which is a crazy rule to me.
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:38.000
So a 16-year-old can get player of the year in the Club All Ireland Championship replay, but no minor can play county.
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.359
You have two sets of rules altogether.
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.119
But I think the girls can come through quicker, is the point I'm going to make.
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:51.839
That if you can get girls, you could see a girl at 18 at a Claire or off lead, be straight in the team.
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.039
Even you see it at the penny young Rachel Feeling this year.
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:55.279
Yeah.
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:58.319
You know, she gone straight from minors straight into the team.
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:00.640
You might see that with the lads.
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:09.920
So if you can get it right to 13 to 14 and start producing three or four players per year, still filter through to your senior team fairly quick.
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:13.039
And that will raise the standard of your senior team.
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:21.200
To me, that's where I'd be putting in any county board where of all those teams in the 1B, it's where I'd be putting my efforts.
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:25.279
Obviously, your senior team are still there and they have to play and you have to.
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:32.559
But you know, you'll have stalwarts who will play for so long, but they need to be replaced at some stage.
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:37.119
And if you're going to go up a level, that's that's where you can make the most gains.
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:44.720
That's I firmly I firmly believe that I'd be putting huge work into 12, 13s, 14s.
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.480
It's the first exposure to county, isn't it, at that age as well, you know.
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.920
So give them the good habits, you know, early early on.
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:53.119
What's expected of them.
00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:00.240
But like, just I said awfully like the winning unit 14 there, Lens.
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:01.599
That's it is a great achievement.
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:07.759
But obviously, come on, they are putting in a lot of work there in the last couple years, like even with the new ground and all that, you know, and all that.
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:11.839
You can see the there is progress coming along, and even you can see with the senior team there now.
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:17.039
A couple of wins in there, I know they're in the second group, but you can see there's some good players there that's coming through it as well.
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:20.160
Like, there's a few one or two good good underage players coming through.
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.519
There, there's some good players there already in the senior team, like you know.
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.640
Oh, yeah, no, there is, yeah, there is absolutely yeah.
00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:27.599
Sorry, Brian, go ahead.
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:29.759
There is no, I thought they were missing a few.
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:42.960
I uh again, and unfortunately, again, I was involved with DCU when we won the Ashbourne, and I remember the first night of the trials, and uh again, I'd done a bit of homework on it, so I knew who Kate Kenny was.
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.799
You know, one of the lads said to me, Your one there looks fairly handy.
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:48.720
And I said, Do you know who she is?
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:53.519
And you know, and to be without somebody of that class, yeah, yeah.
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.319
I mean, what she wouldn't make some difference.
00:32:56.480 --> 00:33:00.799
I mean, you know, to any team, as far as I'm concerned.
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:05.039
I mean, you you know, but can you produce a few more of them?
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:06.480
You know, I mean, you have tea in there.
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:14.640
I mean, the Offley team to me were competitive, but they they you know, one or two, they they they can improve, and now can they push on and stay up next year?
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:18.640
And the same goes for a good few counties like that.
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.519
Wexford is one is very, very worrying for me.
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:33.440
For you know, have a history of not so long ago winning all Ireland, and like I said, at all levels, sixteens, eighteens, again, I don't think the 14s were even in the A group in the All Ireland Blitz.
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:34.240
I don't think so.
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:39.359
For a county like Wexford, that would be to me now would be hugely worrying.
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:51.279
And I think the next president obviously coming from Wexford, but you know, you'd like to see them back because the tradition to the tradition is there again.
00:33:51.359 --> 00:34:01.359
Kilkenny don't have huge numbers, but what they have is huge tradition, and something that's often debated an awful lot.
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:02.640
I see it here in Dublin.
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:08.079
So Dublin will not play 14s at 15s or 15s at 16s.
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.320
Yeah, when it comes to minor, first year's due.
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:26.320
But if you take the Kilkenny minor team that won this year, those eight of them on the panel the year before, five of the starting fifteen are still eligible this year.
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:32.159
So the whole full back line and the two girls in the forwards, and whether they played them there.
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:36.880
So they kind of and if you go back to the under-14s, you'll see them.
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:41.840
So their best 13s play as their C team in the All-Ireland under-14s.
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:44.880
And the rules state you can only play 12.
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:48.400
But it means then they backbone the team.
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:52.480
Like if you're good enough as a 15 to make the 16 team, you're there for two years.
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:56.960
So you backbone the team the year after, and you help the other ones come along.
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:01.840
Yeah, and it it it some counties frown upon that and say, No, they're taking the place.
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:10.159
But when Cork were in four, I and again I'm looking at David Fitzgerald and Billy Condon starting on the team.
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.519
You know, they were playing up at 15 on the Cork 16.
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:19.119
And to me, you just follow what what the successful ones are doing.
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:28.159
Once again, look, it's it's probably a different argument, but there is this thing about everybody should have a game and it's not all about winning.
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:35.119
But you'll find in those those three counties China, they played them.
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:37.760
There's there there's no two ways about it.
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:39.840
I think it's a brilliant point.
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.239
I think it's absolutely spot on.
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.119
I think if you're old enough or if you're good enough, you're old enough.
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:48.239
And look at we have this thing, oh give everyone again.
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:52.400
Look at that does that really does that mentality really belong at county level?
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.000
I don't really think it does, to be honest.
00:35:56.239 --> 00:36:02.079
I think county level is uh high quality, uh probably a little bit ruthless.
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:05.199
That's the nature of the beast, really.
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:14.800
But if we're if we're bringing 14-year-olds and look at the girls themselves are smart, they know they know that there could be girls sitting on the line that don't.
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:19.679
So I agree with you, but I think it's refreshing what you're after saying because I'd agree with you wholeheartedly.
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:31.440
And if the best teams, the best county, sorry, the most successful counties do it why I mean now now maybe they can do it because they can afford to lose players who might get disheartened if they're not playing.
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They can afford to lose them, whereas smaller counties with smaller numbers, they need to keep everybody.
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So maybe there's a temptation then to give girls more game time than they would ever get in a bigger county.
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I don't know.
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But um, I think yeah, there it has to be a little bit of ruthlessness.
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If if you want to call that, it sounds terrible saying it when you're talking about children, really, but it's cutthroat like it is.
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I saw as I said earlier, talking about you know, the the four the four Galways, four Galway teams, and the you know.
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But look at the Cork under look at the Cork so-called under-23 team this year, because I would know for a fact they ran trials and all the rest of it, right?
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They played, they played 10 after senior battle.
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Like, there's none of them players you will say have come through from their 23s.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Do you know what it do you know what I mean?
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Arla Catalan has been there.
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I remember her coming on as a so I I I I know her from again, my involvement with Dublin that time in 2018 under 14.
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I'd always remember the purple helmet because they had the two Arlers, Herl and Arle of Mullins.
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Right, and we actually beat them in the group stages, would you believe?
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So I I kind of know her career.
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And when Davy Fitzgerald was involved, I think it was so 2022, the last dollar in Kilkenny won.
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She came on for the last four minutes, having played in a minor football final on the Thursday night, would you believe?
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Right.
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So she's been there since 2022.
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She came on a sub.
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So you can't say she's come through there under 23s.
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Yeah.
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You know what I'm saying.
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Um and the same, even Condon and Fitzgerald are young, but they were on the panel last year.
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They've been there in the background.
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Cork, obviously, with the Mackeys and Thompson and all these great players getting longevity out of them.
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They've had to wait, but they've been stacked ready and waiting.
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But they've been playing, they've been playing up.
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And the the big thing, or this is the point I make.
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The club all early and final to me made the point, my point last year.
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I I don't know what age the lady was, 41, 42, who got player the match in the first game, and our club mate who was 16 got player the match in the replay.
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So if you're good enough, you're good enough.
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And it does not matter.
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And at county level, that's what I think it it should be.
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Yes, there's a space for everybody to play, and the more girls you have playing and keep them playing, absolutely, but that's a separate kind of a separate road I would be going with players like that.
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Your better ones, you have to keep on a different track.
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Look, that's just that's for me, because I'm passionate about that.
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Say why you you know, up in Dublin with the numbers, it is more about playing at underage than than being than being competitive.
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But then the downside to that is then if they're good at hockey or they're good at football or they're good at soccer or whatever, you're losing them.
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And then, like those five girls that I I can name, four of them have now two football Isle Ireland, and one of them has one.
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Yeah, and they're only 22 years of.
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I mean, I've wanted them at club level.
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Her mother's from Greg Lamana in Klikenny, right?
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And to me, it would be a certainty on the Dublin hurling.
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But even at 22, to try to get her now to change back to Camogie, to try to get any of those five to come and play for the Dublin Camoge, it's it's so so hard.
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You kind of lose them.
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If they see that you know, the others are winning, if you like.
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There's more chance to them winning with in this case Gaelic football.
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I agree with you there.
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Especially that you can't get level, it should be the best players playing at all time.
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You know, I don't think there should be that case of oh, give everyone a game.
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Not I think you can't get every that's the top level, and it should be just their competitive.
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But anyway, I just go on now because I let you go film, but just have a listener question that came in.
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It actually came in to me on Instagram.
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But this came in from Dougie.
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And Dougie was he was talking about like he was watching the three all-on-one finals, and he said from watching other games throughout the year, like just undering, that he felt from watching like you know, the three finals and throughout the year from the senior games were refereed more loosely, maybe, than the two the intermediate in the junior game, maybe.
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And he said he seems to find that watching Knoggy that referees they're not really as consistent across the three grades, like maybe a senior junior intermediate, and that maybe the senior games do get refereed maybe loosely a lot a lot more goal.
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And I'd just like to get your opinion on that, but what you think that what Dougie's Dougie's a point there.
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Um yeah, I don't know.
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Yeah, well, sorry, go ahead, Brian.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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No, go ahead.
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No, go ahead.
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Go ahead.
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I don't I don't know, Joey, to be honest.
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I'm trying to think about yeah, I mean, I think the physicality certainly at senior level is gone off the chart the charts.
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Like it's it's it's and it's brilliant.
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It's absolutely brilliant.
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And I like the way it was it was refereed, you know, in terms of letting play go, you know, as much as possible.
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I I don't know.
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Like, I mean, further down, I'd I'd have to look, I mean, I don't know in terms of stats whether there was more freeze or whether there was more, you know, it wouldn't have struck me necessarily.
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There probably are refereed a little bit different.
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I think the physical contact certainly is tamped down on a lot more at junior and intermediate level.
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Certainly, even the shoulder to shoulder, maybe, you know, and that kind of thing.
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I think that's certainly tamped down upon a bit more.
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But I think it's probably because maybe there's a disparity sometimes between the players on certain teams, you know, that you know, some of them are are very well conditioned and then maybe others are not so much because you're going to have that the lower down the grade you go.
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Whereas with the senior girls, they're all nearly on the same level of strength and conditioning, even if they're not all the same height or whatever, and maybe they're better able to take the tackle so it doesn't look as bad when they come in.
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Whereas maybe at the lower grades, if a tack a hard tackle comes in, maybe a girl is just not as physically strong and maybe you know falls over badly or something, and then the rest are more inclined to give a to give a free because I suppose we all roar and shout.
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Whereas at senior level, maybe they they ride the tackle a bit better, they don't fall over, so then maybe it's just kind of everyone goes, Oh yeah, play on or whatever.
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I I don't know, to be honest.
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I don't know, Brian, what you think, but well, for me, we actually played a match, a big match this Sunday with the Sub I'm coaching and we've Gavin Donegan referenced the game.
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So, like to me, every intercounty team, I'm sure every management, besides studying the opposition and their own tactics, study the referee.
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So, you know, you'd be making the team aware, and and we're all human, so and we'd all have different opinions.
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And so I mean they all do referee it slightly different.
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They normally have one particular area that if you study a referee that they kind of clamp down upon, and that's what I would say to the girls look, what so and so's reference don't do this.
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You you can do that, I think you'll get away with it, so whatever.
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And I'm sure intercounty managements do that.
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So to me, it doesn't make a difference.
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They'd be well versed in the referee before they go out.
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And I don't know about the referees, do they study players or whatever as well?
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But sure they do.
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But I'd certainly, I'd certainly study, I'd study the referees.
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And take three steps, don't forward, they blow you.
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Maybe don't chop hand in the back.
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Whatever it might be, or don't talk back to so-and-so, because especially again, those rules last year that were brought in, especially the one about the descent where you can bring it up to the 21-yard free.
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I actually did the game with Killian the very first round, Klikkenny v.
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Limerick.
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And Laura Murphy was coming out with the ball.
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And she obviously felt she was fouled.
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Got said something to the referee.
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I think she was about 45 yards out with the goal.
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He blew the whistle and brought her up to the Klikkenny 21 and gave her free into Limerick.
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Now Kilkenny were well ahead and she went for the goal and it was saved.
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But I thought to myself, I was saying if this happens in the all-irland final where there's only two points down, and somebody says something.
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And it so that to me it's where it could be crucial with the referee, because I stand to be corrected here, but I think they when the player says it, they they can do that, they can bring it up to the 21.
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But it never really now would it take some referee that really want to have you know to do that in Crow Park and all Ireland they make such a decision.
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But that rule, that rule was there.
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But look, I think every referee goes out to referee the game fairly, I don't think, but they do have their mannerisms or they do have things that they particularly clamp down on.
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And so I think that's why you will get them refereed differently, you know?
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That's as simple as that.
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And the other thing is amazing, just on one thing, Joe.
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It's amazing.
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Again, in that particular game, I give an example.
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It's amazing how many of the players don't know the rule.
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Don't know the rules of the game.
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The actual senior intercounty players do not know the rules of the game.
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In that match, again, the rule was brought in for the 45 out of hand this year.
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Maria Brennan took took she hit it out of her hand, but you have to hit it from off the pitch.
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The ref blew her and threw the ball in 10 yards from where across diagonally across from where the ball is.
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But she was in total amazement.
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Why?
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Do you know the next two line balls Kenny got within their own 45 days to mark the ground?
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Just to be safe.
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So they didn't actually uh a lot of the players don't know don't know the rules.
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So that that's that's another aspect.
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But to your point, Joe, I think yeah, they do referee it differently, but I think that's just that's just the nature of us all.
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We'll all we'll all coach teams differently, we'll have different views on things, and they'll slightly differ.
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I just actually want to make a point on the rules that come in.
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Like that rule that came in now about you know, I'll make a substitute after the 30 minutes.
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I was at the off-screen limerick game in the championship down there in Limerick.
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It was coming towards the end of the game, like both teams were about two, three minutes left, and each team had a substitute ready to come on, but the ball didn't go out of play for about two, three minutes, so it went over the 60 minutes.
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So and then the linesman said, No, I can't let you come on or all that.
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No one there at the match.
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See, none of the so some of the players keeping the ball.
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A lot of the fans had no idea why they weren't allowed to come on and all that, and like it's so that was on its own.
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So, like a lot, there's a few rules that come on, like nobody seemed to really know what to go on.
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Like, but I was it like the linesman had to tell the two players that were involved to go back, and they didn't really seem to know why they were told not to come on as well.
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Like, you know, and there's a lot of confused people in the crowd as well there, so it was I just that's something I remembered.
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I guess from being it, I guess.
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So I don't know what they were maybe weren't well right went out to do some of the new rules, but that's it sounds like it all right from the two what you're both saying there, that there's yeah, there's definitely a bit of um lack of knowledge or confusion anyway.
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But I suppose there's been so many changes and different things over the years.
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Some of them are trying rules and to win for the league, and then they weren't in a championship.
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And it's it's hard to it can be supposed hard to keep up.
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I'll give you a good one, Joe and Elaine.
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It's part of coaching up here for we were we were playing Kilma Kud Croaks in the first round of the championship this year.
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So they had the Dublin goalkeeper, Ciara Jones, in the goals.
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So I was looking back at games, trying to just get a feel for where she pooks it and so forth, so forth, because I I know a video thing on Kill McCudd.
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Right?
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I went back and looked at the league final against Claire.
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I don't know if you both remember.
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She came out of the goals and she got dispossessed, and Lorna McNamara went in and scored the goal.
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I don't know if you both remember that.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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Claire won the match by three.
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Do you remember that?
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It was it was it was not even on television, and Claire won the match by three points.
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She came out of the goal to receive a sideline ball that was hit out of the hand by Emma O'Burn across field.
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She then went to pop it and it was intercepted and went into the goal.
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Now it's a hard one to blow on your own team, but when I look back on it, Emma O'Burn had stepped on the pitch when she hit that ball.
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So technically, that line ball, that line ball should have been.
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Now not much good to Dublin now, three points later.
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But no, neither the neither the lines man or the referee, and you can see it's clearly there, it's on YouTube.
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Neither of them, nobody, nobody, nobody but nobody copped it at all.
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Now we're not going to blow a free in yourself, but look, it is that was a rule that was brought in, but I think it needs to be it needs to be explained to everybody so they know what the actual rule is.
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So the Kenny girl broke the rule, the referee blew it to your point, threw it in, which was the correct thing.
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In the league five, and the other one was a league final.
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The Dublin girl broke the rule and nothing happened.
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Yeah.
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And it actually it actually ended up costing a goal against their own team.
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But look, that's that's it's human nature.
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It's it's we all make mistakes, things happen.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Anyway, look, we'll leave it at that for to this week's episode.
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I just to the two people have messaged me on Instagram as well, asking could we do an all-star pick an all-star team and do an all-star episode?
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We are planning on doing it in the coming week anyway.
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So that we'll be coming up with this.
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Ian McCarthy, Jackie Connery, two of them.
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Let's give you a shout-out as well.
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You've got to listen to the show from Hutchie Tell me anyway, but we will be doing an all-star episode hopefully sometime in the next few weeks, anyway.
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I know Elaine, you've said you'd be coming aboard any as well, haven't you?
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That's an episode now where you get yourself into big, big, big trouble, Joe.
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That's the biggest problem with that.
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We're gonna try our best anyway to get it to something about anyway.
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So that'll be coming up in two weeks.
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But anyway, Elaine, Brian, how's the video for coming on?
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It's been an absolute pleasure having you both on that.
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Great job, lovely stuff.
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Thank you.
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Great job.
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Elaine.
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Yeah, can I put can I put a plug in for somebody for an all-star?
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Yeah, all right, go ahead.
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Ava Brett at Kilkenny.
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All right.
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One one point, one point scored offer in play this year.
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One point now, a goal was scored, but an actual points, and and uh she blames the goalie nurse for tender to leave it.
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But I I think Bet Carton, I I think, is the only player to score a point offer in championships this year.
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Yeah, she did champions.
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And again, I look, I know it goes for you know, like she was their go-to man marker.
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If you watch, they put her on who they deemed to be.
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And I just thought, I know it's an old-fashioned thing now, maybe, you know, with systems and this, that, the other.
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Again, I was at the game, I was at most of their games, Bar Wexford.
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She didn't play.
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Uh, she marked Emerkyo of Dublin, didn't score.
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Offly Girl didn't score, even though they scored well in that game.
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Offly, I was at that match, and then obviously Eva Tony who went.
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Well, Beth Carton, one point, one point from play, even into extra time.
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So, anyway, that'd be my wild card.
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That'd be my wild card show.
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That is that is a super stat.
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That was a great stat.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, but it's still probably you know yourself a goal too, and there'd probably be others up and down the country.
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Uh you know that some great performance.
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I mean, T and Vophani uh for for me is one that would get on get in most teams, and the goals, the crucial goals she scored.
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She actually kept up in there when a goal in the yeah, for the championship.
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I've ended up getting knocked out of it, but for the first two games in a row, there she scored a hat-trick in the first two games in a week.
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Like, yeah, she scored two games.
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I was about four games.
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I've actually reported on it for the paper, but she was brilliant in both games, like you know, like two hats rates in the face of a few days, like you know, so you know, quite a pair of exposure, no doubt about it.
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Absolutely, yeah.
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Um yeah.
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As I said, believe it's that for this week anyway.
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And look as I said, it's great having you on and thanks to mini for coming on.
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Okay, you're welcome.
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Thanks, Joe.
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That's that's it for now this week.
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You're back again soon.