Conspiracy Theory Pipeline

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We have a guest tonight Our guest is
Coleman.
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It's Watts, right?
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Coleman Watts.
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Yep Coleman Watts from the think this
through channel which is a You debunk
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conspiracy theories on YouTube, right?
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I call it Conspiracies, Cults, and Cons is
sort of my theme.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, they're they're very in.
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Yeah.
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met after my own heart.
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Colman's videos are very entertaining
right now.
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There's one that you may have already seen
about Terrence Howard and everything
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that's going on there So check that out,
but let's let's dive right in Coleman.
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So we're tonight.
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We want to talk about Conspiracy theories
and like coming out, you know, I I saw you
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at skeptic camp in Raleigh the beginning
of May I think it was and that was it was
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you had a very energetic and I was a
little Irritated that I had to go after
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you in that presentation because I was
like I was really hoping to be the fun one
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today and you had the Yeah on this
podcast.
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I'm never the funny one, but so Why don't
you yeah if you want to just give us a
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quick intro to yourself beyond the
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wow, sure, everything about myself?
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No, no, just like...
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you were like the high points of when you
like toddler memories for first or most
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embarrassing sexual experience or that
kind of thing.
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God, I'm getting flashbacks.
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I'm getting flashbacks from the Terrence
Howard episode I did where he said, I woke
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up inside my mother's womb and I was
conscious and I knew physics.
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So yeah, that's basically my story.
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I'll take that.
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Sweet sweet no, I mean like so so the
reason the thing that you talked about at
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At skeptic camp was how you had to some
extent been a conspiracy theorist and had
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come out of that and and and you kind of
gave us a breakdown of what your channel
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is but You also kind of give us a
breakdown of who you were in that and
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that's you don't have to obviously like
completely recap your Your speech, but if
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you wanted to give us a you know sentence
or two
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I'm, I'm happy to.
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I, I conspiracy theories are fascinating,
I think.
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And I think that's more fascinating now
that I'm in the debunking world instead of
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in the rabbit hole itself.
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But I started, I didn't, well, I didn't
start off in the rabbit hole.
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I think I started off as a pretty normal
person.
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but as I, as I said in my presentation, my
brain wasn't thinking according to the
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scientific method.
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I think my brain was doing what normal
human brains do.
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which is to take anything that seems kind
of interesting or useful that comes along
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and just sort of tuck it away in your
brain pockets.
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And so if I, you know, if I saw, you know,
if I heard about this alternative healing
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modality, I like healing.
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Sure.
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I'll, I'll, you know, I'll give it a try.
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I mean, my friends say that it works.
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So, cool.
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I'll, I'll learn about that or, you know,
go to the chiropractor because, you know,
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I've heard from other family members and
friends that that works.
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And so I'll do that.
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Or if I went to see a psychic once, that
was enlightening.
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I had a past life regression one time and
learned about who I was in a past life who
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just happened to be exactly the same as
the character in the last book that I'd
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read.
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But who knows?
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Probably just a coincidence.
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I got my
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do it at work, I mean they don't know it.
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Yeah, so I would use homeopathic medicine
sometimes.
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And I don't think any of this is like
really weird, like maybe a little weird,
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but...
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That's what I was just about to say is I
When you mentioned it at the talk and now
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I feel like it is It is a good for me as
somebody who is not particularly familiar
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with that stuff from personal experience
But only you know learning about it
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afterwards I don't feel like it sounds
like you know like look at this weirdo You
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know like I mean there's a lot of that
times where we look at people who believe
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in conspiracy theories or a cult or a
different religion or like
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How the fuck did they get there and
everything you just said I'm like, that's
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right like That I can see how that is a
pretty Natural progression I can like that
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was pretty simple, you know I know a ton
of people who've been to a psychic reading
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and they maybe did it just for fun and
they you know, and these are like simple
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steps the the homeopathy thing is
relatively new to me, but I think that I
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have
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You know I've heard I've never knew about
it before like what the details were but
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you meet somebody in there like Yeah, I
got some of this you know
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less details you know about it, the more
you know about it in the case of
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onlyopathy.
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That's what I can count on.
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you know, the better it is.
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Right.
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You have to open your mind to the not
knowing of the knowing, and then you'll
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know that you don't know.
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through a phase where I sent letters to a
lot of pharmacies and grocery stores with
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pharmacy sections complaining about the
fact that they had homeopathy products
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right next to medicines and like some poor
young parent who doesn't know the
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difference is going to buy something for
their sick kid that's not going to help
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their sick kid.
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Though I guess most cough medicines don't
really help that much either.
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But and I got no responses for that.
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None of them wrote back saying I was like,
please talk to the pharmacists who you
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employ.
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about the quality of these things that
you're selling and they're responsive.
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but before listening to like atheist
podcasts and stuff I would not have known
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at all if somebody that I was Hanging out
with had grabbed a bottle of something.
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I would have been like a medicine they use
like
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since you're the expert, can you describe
how many of the professors we have, people
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who are listening, I'm sure, who are not
in skepticism and don't know what we're
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just referring to kind of randomly.
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Absolutely.
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I did a whole video about it on my channel
and I do actually do some research for
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these videos.
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So I learned a lot from that because all I
knew before was ancient wisdom.
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It works because of magical properties and
I had no idea like ancient wisdom enough
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said just use it right and What I learned
in my research is that it's not that
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ancient it dates back to yeah, I mean it
depends like I've you know, I've got I've
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got some ancient soy sauce in my fridge.
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That's maybe right for
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being a little, yeah.
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But yes, yes, which makes it sacred.
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But so this was invented in the 1700s by
an Austrian or German dude who had a
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medical degree, but at that time medical
science wasn't really a thing.
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So, you know, they knew some anatomy.
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They knew about the four humors and, you
know, evil spirits and things.
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and things like that.
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And at that time, medicine, seeing a
doctor was just as likely to kill you as
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it was to cure you because they had no
idea what they were doing.
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And so he came up with this idea that he
called it the law of similarities.
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And he said, well, like must cure like
because if you have a tummy ache, you
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could take some arsenic and that would
help to a very dilute amount.
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You could take some arsenic and it would
help with the tummy ache because arsenic
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causes a tummy ache.
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So a very small amount, it's like
inoculation, which is actually a thing,
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but you know.
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amazing that he stumbled upon the theory
of vaccinations, but with total bullshit.
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And probably.
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right.
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So he had this idea that we would call now
inoculation.
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But he would take the substance and he
would basically dilute it so that there
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was nothing left.
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I mean, he would dilute it like a thousand
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electron microscope anywhere in the bottle
of water anymore because it had been
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diluted so much.
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And now the magical memory of the water
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properties of the poison.
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to you.
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That's how it works.
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To be fair to him, at that time, he
probably was one of the best doctors.
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Yeah, so his medicine had zero side
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So it was probably the best medicine
around.
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I love watching videos of the late great
James Randi, the amazing Randi, who would
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start a lot of his talks by taking out a
package of a homeopathy medicine that they
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bought at a drugstore, unscrewing it and
drinking the entire thing down or taking
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the entire thing to pills.
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Yeah.
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Not very concerned there's going to be any
side effects or any effects.
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From what I learned about some homeopathic
manufacturers, I would be concerned
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because they're not well regulated.
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There have been problems found.
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Sometimes oops, they forget to dilute the
arsenic.
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And so I would not always trust that.
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Yeah, and yeah, just for contamination of
things.
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You know, even some like real vitamin
supplement companies, you know, aren't
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super regulates if they don't make claims
that not super regulated and they can
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have, you know, 50 % sawdust and 50%, you
know, then, you know, there's no dosage
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requirements and ingredients in some of
the fly by night companies.
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So you probably don't need vitamins unless
you have a specific medical need.
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But if you do pick your vitamin supplement
company carefully.
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You never know.
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Yeah.
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Just because it's natural supplement
doesn't mean it's actually good for you.
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I mean, there's lots of natural things
that can kill you.
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Yeah, yeah, my mother falls prey for that
kind of stuff a lot.
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She's in her 80s, maybe she'll take some
million different pills.
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And she's better now that she's older and
taking actual medications and being told
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by a doctor she can't take as many of the
herbal stuff as she used to take.
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And she's saying, you know, have the
natural policy of it's natural.
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And I'm like, so is rattlesnake venom.
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Doesn't mean it's good for you.
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Yeah, well, mom, you want me to go to the
back and pick some wild mushrooms randomly
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and put them in a salad?
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Natural.
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We'll see what happens.
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Random ones, yeah, I don't know about
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There's a few good wild ones, but most,
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random.
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I'll just brush the shit off it.
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It's fine.
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And yeah, that's how natural does not mean
healthy.
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So I don't know if I'm alone in this, but
my path to skepticism actually went
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through the world of conspiracy.
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Conspiracy theory was like, yeah, okay.
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actually, Mike had brought up a while ago,
probably after Skeptic Camp.
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And just such an adventure now, for those
who don't know what Skeptic Camp is, our
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friends, the local one we were talking
about, our friends, my friends in Triangle
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Skeptics, triskept .org, did their first,
hopefully annual Skeptic Camp, bringing in
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skeptical speakers to talk about various
topics and workshops.
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Back, I think it was Memorial Day weekend,
and it went super well.
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and we're super excited for them.
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So check out triskep .org, skep of the K.
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Yeah.
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My whole talk is on there.
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Lots of other talks, some great stuff.
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And so, actually, right after the, I was
supposed to be there, but then I got a
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paying acting gig, so I went and did my
paying acting gig instead.
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But Mike was like, we should talk about
coming out of conspiracy theory.
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And I was like, I don't know, I can't.
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I mean, I was raised atheist, so I didn't
even come to atheism through any story.
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And then, but getting involved in atheist
podcasts and community, I learned more
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about skepticism and realized, my dad
raised me as skeptic.
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I just wasn't aware.
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He was a pharmacist and science
background, so we were raised with a lot
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of rationality.
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So I learned my skepticism.
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I learned the bullshit that I didn't
believe in, kind of not believing it.
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So I was like, I don't feel comfortable
having a conversation about it because I
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have neither of us have any background in
the experience.
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And he was so inspired by your talk, he
wanted to talk about it.
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So it's great that you're here.
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So we have someone who has some of the
experience to actually speak with
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authority on it, or at least personal
authority.
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not an appeal to authority.
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I'm sorry I shouldn't have said it.
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Not an appeal to authority.
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It's just one anecdote that is interesting
and enlightening to go with the factual
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things that we give research.
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And then a friend sent me this was in the,
you know, like early 2000s or late 2000s.
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You know, this this DVD at the time it was
of of a documentary about 9 -11.
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And you can probably guess which one or
one of those ilk.
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And I was like, wow, I never knew this.
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And, you know, again, it wasn't like
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I wasn't going out and just like doing my
own research, which is what the conspiracy
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theorists tell you to do.
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But I wasn't like I was watching these.
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I would watch this documentary and be
like, my God, like it's a giant
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conspiracy.
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It's a giant coverup.
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and so I just believed it because it
seemed plausible and sort of, sort of
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confirmed my biases about the government
and especially, you know, the dude that
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was in office at the time.
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And so, yeah, it, it all just sort of
clicked.
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And so, but
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So I sort of went through my life not, I
mean, these things didn't consume me.
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I wasn't like on a street corner ranting
about these things, but they sunk in a
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little bit.
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And so, you know, and so all of that, I
think primed me to get sucked into the
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sort of internet cult that I got sucked
into, which was,
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probably the best way to describe it would
be like proto -QAnon.
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This was like back, this was like in the
days leading up to Pizzagate and around
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that time, like before QAnon was a thing,
but when those forces were sort of
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swirling around together.
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And, you know, so looking back on it, it's
like, how could I have gotten sucked into
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that kind of world?
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But,
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there were some very convincing sort of
authoritative people in that world who
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were very good at what they did of
convincing you that they knew what they
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were talking about.
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And also, let me just sort of go through
the little recruitment spiel here.
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So how do you know that the political
beliefs that you have
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are right.
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Other people have other political beliefs.
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Have you considered those?
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How do you know that the religious beliefs
that you have are the correct ones?
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How do you know that your religion is
right and all the other religions in the
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world are wrong?
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Have you ever really thought about it?
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Have you ever done the research into this?
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Because what if I told you that most of
the people with your beliefs haven't
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thought about it at all?
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They're just going along with what their
family and friends told them.
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They haven't
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really thought about it.
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And if you argue with them, they'll just
get upset.
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They'll just get upset with you for
contradicting them.
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Well, being upset is not an argument, is
it?
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So you, do you want to be like that?
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Or do you want to be a reasonable and
rational person who actually does research
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and actually bases your beliefs on
science, on reason, on logic?
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Look at all the logical fallacies.
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that all these people with your beliefs
are committing on the internet.
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Do you want to be like them?
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Or do you want to join us?
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Join us because we have the answers.
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We've done the reasoning.
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We've done the logic.
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And if you join us, then you will find
that this challenges all of your
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relationships.
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And you will find that if you start
telling people what you now believe,
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they'll get angry with you.
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And you might have to leave those
friendships, leave those relationships.
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If you can't recruit those people, because
obviously they need to be saved.
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And so they need to either need to come
aboard our reasonable and rational alt
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-right train that's heading off towards
the great white hope, or you just have to
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cut off those relationships.
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And you'll find that
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You are like the great philosophers of old
who are coming out of Plato's cave into
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the light of the day and seeing the world
for what it really is.
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You're taking the red pill.
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Join us and accept the truth.
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It's a rational and intelligent argument
until you get to the point of, now we did
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the thinking for you.
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Like we said, how important it is not to
believe what you were told by other
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people, but join us and we've already
thought of it.
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We'll tell you what to believe now.
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That's kind of a, we're going to empty the
glass of your current beliefs and
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knowledge.
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And then don't worry about filling
yourself, we'll fill it for you.
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Because like everything made sense up
until, join us because we'll tell you
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what's right.
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Heheheheh
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things that I had believed like new age
spirituality, alternative medicine,
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homeopathy and being like, wow, that's all
bullshit.
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These people are really onto something
because I'm learning that some of the
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things that I believed were not true,
right?
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And so it wasn't until
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It wasn't until that world sort of
imploded my life and my relationships and
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caused real harm in my personal life that
I had to step back from it and use that
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same question everything mentality on
that, on the new thinking that I was
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accepting.
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the question everything mentality, but
then have rational tools to question
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things rather than just find something
else you like to replace the other things.
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Right, and also when I was in that
conspiracy sort of proto -QAnon world, I
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was also learning new things about
philosophy and also about logical
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fallacies.
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So, but all of the information that I was
learning about logical fallacies was
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basically how to use them as a weapon to
win arguments on the internet, right?
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So a logical...
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them against your own beliefs, which is
what they're intended for.
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Yeah.
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you.
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So I was...
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Right.
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Yep.
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But...
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for that.
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But it's supposed to be pressure test your
own argument by making sure you're not
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using any fallacies is what the proper
proper but what the healthy use of it is.
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Because if we go back to people who told
you Mike that Jenny McCarthy is an idiot.
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So why listen to her?
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That's a fallacy.
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It's like just the opposite of the appeal
to authority saying because the person
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saying it is dumb.
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Therefore, it's wrong.
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She could be saying something that's
correct.
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You know, she'd be repeating
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through things just as easily as a dumb as
a wrong thing.
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So that's not a reason to not believe
about vaccines.
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It's more of a maybe it's a reason to say,
well, I don't trust her word on it.
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I'm going to go look it up myself.
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But does it mean it's wrong just because
she said it?
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Right.
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So.
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those things like appeal to emotion,
appeal argument from authority, ad
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hominem, all of those logical fallacies, I
was learning but I was learning them the
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wrong way.
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And then what I started to realize was
that the people who were actually leaders
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in this group were doing all those things
themselves, especially the appeal to
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emotion.
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There's so much appeal to emotion in that
world.
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Even though they always slap it with a
whitewash of logic and reason, it's
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underneath it all is just fear tactics and
groupthink and us versus them kind of a
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knee jerk stuff.
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One of the things...
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begging the question in the traditional
sense of begging the question of setting
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up a question where their answer is the
only answer.
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And then when they answer their own
question, like brilliant at it, that does
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answer it perfectly, but they wrote the
question.
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So of course it does.
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One of the things that I thought was
really interesting about your talk was
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forgetting exactly how you worded it, but
you said the things that they teach you in
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that mentality are everyone has a agenda.
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There's like three or four points that you
had and you said and when I applied that
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logic, it absolutely applied to them.
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think I remember that part.
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So yeah, the conspiracy mindset is that,
yes, there's a secret agenda and that
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there's a narrative, right?
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And so you're being fed a narrative.
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And so you need to watch out for that.
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You need to watch out for this mainstream
narrative that's lying to you.
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And then what I realized later was that,
my God, this is a narrative.
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Like this whole like conspiracy mindset,
red pill mindset, that's a narrative.
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So everything that they were accusing
everybody else of doing is what they were
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doing.
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Yeah, that was I As somebody who's not
connected with that world much other than
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watching videos breaking that stuff down
that was really mind -blowing to kind of
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think like if these people the fans and
the Followers are really actually
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listening to the process They would get
themselves out of it to some extent.
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I was that's kind of amazing.
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It's you know, like usually
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We usually tend to foolproof our our
Structures so that we're not Figuring
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setting you up to to get out of the
situation if we're if we're badly intent
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intent
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I see a connection with this, but I have
friends who are not actively in atheist
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skeptic community, but friends who, you
know, my improv comedy, who identify as
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atheists, but they believe in
superstitions, like ghosts and
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supernatural things like that, because
they didn't come to their atheism through
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skepticism.
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They just didn't agree with religion.
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And whatever tools that you use to debunk
religion to themselves, they did not turn
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on anything else.
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You know, like,
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would say like if you're a good skeptic,
eventually you'll be an atheist because
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eventually you'll apply your skepticism to
your religion and realize it fails the
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tests.
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But you can be a really good atheist
without having any skeptical tools and
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still fall for everything else.
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And then we all have blank spots.
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We all have something we're not aware we
haven't properly analyzed.
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But some people have.
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Yeah, I mean, since the cultsy sort of
conspiracy group that I was a part of was
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an atheist group, I've been kind of a
little bit put off of that whole thing.
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I don't go around waving that flag, and I
kind of just wish that I could just call
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myself a normal person who's not
religious.
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Why do we have to have a label at all?
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Isn't the norm just not being religious?
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my.
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I wish it was.
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It should be the default.
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My dad used to always say that, you know,
I don't believe in God or anything, but I
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don't like the word atheist because it's
political.
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It's got an agenda, the word.
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Until he moved to North Carolina, where
from New York, where suddenly religion had
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an agenda and had a legal thing.
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And now I get it.
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Now I get why you want to stand up to it.
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I have a friend, Candace Gorham.
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She's a published author, a psychologist,
and she
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is that speaks on the atheist circle
circuit a lot about psychology issues and
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atheism, grief and grieving and atheism
and such.
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And she talks in a lot of her talks that
when she came out of religion, she was a
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preacher.
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When she came out of religion, she
happened to be North Carolina and joined
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my group, Triangle Free Thought Society as
the first organizations you join.
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And she has often said, if you weren't the
first organization, I would, you know,
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I've met so many shitty ones afterwards
that were either
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misogynist or just or or racist or just or
incidentally racist that just happened to
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be all white kind of thing, but they were
not preaching it.
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But but full of racism that they don't
recognize kind of thing, not actively
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negative, just holding themselves back.
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And she goes, somebody that just unhealthy
that if that had been the first group I
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was ever engaged with, I never would have
looked for another atheist group again as
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I moved around the country.
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She was I'm just lucky I met you guys
first.
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And we were humanists first and foremost.
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And that was welcoming.
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So I get what you're saying.
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You could do an atheist group that's
terrible because there's nothing
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inherently about atheism that makes you a
skeptic or that makes you a good person,
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as most people like to say.
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Religion makes you bad.
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Therefore, atheism makes you good.
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And that is not a logical opposite.
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Yeah.
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I don't think not having religion makes
you anything.
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Yeah, it's just an answer to one question.
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You got one question right.
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That's all it is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so I'm curious Because I would have
guessed that I knew who the answer to this
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question was but then you said that it was
atheist It was an atheistic conspiracy
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theories.
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Is there a figurehead that you?
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Followed that if you don't want to say I
understand but like I was thinking you met
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Alex Jones before you when you said proto
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How you caught word of it when you said
that I was like, Alex Jones Yeah, and then
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you said atheist and like, not Alex Jones.
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Okay, so I'm
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So there's another dude, he actually
worked with Alex Jones some and his name
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was Stefan Molyneux, and he was an atheist
libertarian.
466
00:28:50,812 --> 00:28:52,355
He called himself a philosopher.
467
00:28:52,355 --> 00:28:57,402
He was kind of an internet cult leader.
468
00:28:57,444 --> 00:29:02,073
And so I got sucked into his world.
469
00:29:02,866 --> 00:29:04,826
Okay, Matthew, have you heard of him
before?
470
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:09,372
Yes, I'm not expert in it, but I've heard
the name.
471
00:29:09,456 --> 00:29:12,792
More of some of the more modern ones are
the ones I hear about more often now.
472
00:29:12,792 --> 00:29:16,838
I don't think any of the modern ones I
know about are as far as he is towards
473
00:29:16,838 --> 00:29:18,298
like a QAnon type thing.
474
00:29:18,298 --> 00:29:21,092
They're more just like light red pilling.
475
00:29:22,427 --> 00:29:23,428
than QAnon.
476
00:29:23,428 --> 00:29:30,894
He was full white nationalist when YouTube
booted him off of the platform.
477
00:29:30,894 --> 00:29:37,776
And that's what I was just about to add
was He I think got deplatformed in an
478
00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:42,739
effective way because I know who he is and
I know very little about the specifics of
479
00:29:42,739 --> 00:29:47,952
him Because of how he was deplatformed I
think like where we still hear about Alex
480
00:29:47,952 --> 00:29:52,957
Jones quite a bit even though he has been
largely deplatformed I think Stefan Mollen
481
00:29:52,957 --> 00:29:57,587
you is kind of a kind of a relic in some
ways is that relatively accurate?
482
00:29:57,587 --> 00:30:02,091
Yeah, I mean, he and Richard Spencer and
Alex Jones were all deplatformed, I think
483
00:30:02,091 --> 00:30:04,135
on the same day.
484
00:30:04,677 --> 00:30:10,475
Yeah, so, you know, talk about a
conspiracy, but it, yeah, I mean, I think
485
00:30:10,475 --> 00:30:13,102
he's really just fallen into obscurity at
this point.
486
00:30:13,102 --> 00:30:20,401
He had a huge audience at one point in
the, he was like, he was one of the big
487
00:30:20,401 --> 00:30:25,573
rallying cries for Trump in 2015 and 2016.
488
00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:27,659
And then he just went even,
489
00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:32,747
even way further, you know, down the
rabbit hole.
490
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:37,836
And, you know, I jumped off shortly after
that and he just kept on going and right
491
00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:39,587
off a cliff, I think.
492
00:30:41,047 --> 00:30:44,259
So I'm glad I wasn't still on that train
when it went over a cliff.
493
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:46,636
Yeah, yeah.
494
00:30:46,886 --> 00:30:48,179
Yeah.
495
00:30:49,222 --> 00:30:53,560
was there something specific about him
that that made you jump at that point?
496
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,355
Or was this was just when it all started
to unravel for you?
497
00:30:58,189 --> 00:31:01,234
Yeah, it was when it unraveled in my
personal life.
498
00:31:01,609 --> 00:31:08,533
I mean, the people, so I had some people
in my life that were also following him.
499
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:16,875
And the way that he handles relationships
is not to diagnose anybody, but basically
500
00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:21,004
exactly like somebody with narcissistic
personality would handle relationships.
501
00:31:21,004 --> 00:31:24,966
And so the guy is a human wrecking ball.
502
00:31:25,508 --> 00:31:31,431
and the people and he teaches that kind of
skill set of how to be a human wrecking
503
00:31:31,431 --> 00:31:35,351
ball and how to, you know, how to, how to
blow up all the relationships around you.
504
00:31:35,351 --> 00:31:40,857
And so I experienced that firsthand and,
you know, put the pieces back together
505
00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:46,821
over the next couple of years and
everything's good now, but, you know,
506
00:31:46,821 --> 00:31:50,158
he's, he's continued to do that and the
people that are still in that world are
507
00:31:50,158 --> 00:31:51,618
continuing to do that.
508
00:31:53,244 --> 00:31:55,038
I mean, I think that helps build his world
too.
509
00:31:55,038 --> 00:31:58,291
If you don't have anyone outside the world
to talk to, it just reinforces what I'm
510
00:31:58,291 --> 00:32:02,295
saying is true because everyone that's
left for you to talk to agrees with you.
511
00:32:02,295 --> 00:32:04,130
You're creating a literal echo chain.
512
00:32:04,297 --> 00:32:10,136
I hadn't looked into him at all in years,
but just like a couple of weeks ago, just
513
00:32:10,136 --> 00:32:12,639
out of curiosity, I looked him up.
514
00:32:12,639 --> 00:32:17,435
He's still podcasting on Rumble and other
platforms that allow him.
515
00:32:18,269 --> 00:32:22,982
And I looked in, he was live streaming at
that moment when I looked into him because
516
00:32:22,982 --> 00:32:24,400
of course he was.
517
00:32:24,859 --> 00:32:27,945
And all he was talking about was his
grievances.
518
00:32:27,945 --> 00:32:30,740
All he was talking about was he was going
through his enemies list.
519
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:33,701
He was talking about all the people that
are out to get him, all the big tech
520
00:32:33,701 --> 00:32:37,622
companies that have conspired against him,
all of the people that he, you know, all
521
00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:40,291
the people that said that they supported
him, that have abandoned him.
522
00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:42,502
Like it was just went on and on and I just
turned it off.
523
00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:46,047
But that's, that's, that's the kind of
person that he is.
524
00:32:46,255 --> 00:32:50,927
And it's ironic that one of the early
hooks is that was the people who get upset
525
00:32:50,927 --> 00:32:53,971
during an argument lose the argument
they're wrong because they're upset.
526
00:32:53,971 --> 00:32:56,432
And then those people get so upset.
527
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:58,309
yeah.
528
00:32:58,977 --> 00:32:59,602
yeah.
529
00:32:59,602 --> 00:33:01,437
They, yes.
530
00:33:02,313 --> 00:33:03,022
Yes.
531
00:33:03,022 --> 00:33:06,693
The facts don't care about your feelings
crowd really gets their feelings hurt.
532
00:33:08,069 --> 00:33:17,578
So have you been able to be an anchor or a
life, you know, like Yeah, have you been
533
00:33:17,578 --> 00:33:22,792
able to help anybody that's been coming
out of it Or or just have you've just just
534
00:33:22,792 --> 00:33:25,461
been there for somebody who's been pulled
out doesn't necessarily mean you've
535
00:33:25,461 --> 00:33:28,006
actually pulled them
536
00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:32,093
saying, because I watch your channel, I'm
a healthier person.
537
00:33:32,635 --> 00:33:37,807
Yeah, so I mean, that's where I came to is
starting a YouTube channel.
538
00:33:38,224 --> 00:33:43,229
And right now the YouTube channel is just
sort of building an audience and doing
539
00:33:43,229 --> 00:33:46,941
what I think I do best, which is just
being kind of entertaining while also
540
00:33:46,941 --> 00:33:48,526
trying to be informative.
541
00:33:48,526 --> 00:33:54,741
So I'm not giving like the kind of advice
that somebody who is in crisis would need.
542
00:33:54,907 --> 00:33:59,912
I'm just trying to be an entertaining
presence, hopefully sort of a voice of
543
00:33:59,912 --> 00:34:00,913
reason on the internet.
544
00:34:00,913 --> 00:34:03,416
of people that just want to be
entertained.
545
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:05,126
But yeah, I tried.
546
00:34:05,126 --> 00:34:09,839
I tried having some conversations with
people after I got out of the world and
547
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:12,800
after I got my own life sort of back in
order.
548
00:34:13,259 --> 00:34:19,307
And I mean, it was very fascinating
because eventually what those
549
00:34:19,307 --> 00:34:25,271
conversations always came to would be
accusing me of being a brainwashed shill.
550
00:34:25,271 --> 00:34:28,399
And at that point, what can I say?
551
00:34:29,108 --> 00:34:35,531
Yeah, but okay what I was I guess what I
was trying to ask too is like You said you
552
00:34:35,531 --> 00:34:40,203
had friends that were into this to any of
them that were kind of unraveling already
553
00:34:40,203 --> 00:34:45,625
that you were just there as a What you
know life support that you've been able to
554
00:34:45,625 --> 00:34:50,171
kind of say you want to talk about it I
can but not necessarily somebody that you
555
00:34:50,171 --> 00:34:54,467
went and intentionally Had a conversation
with just someone that you were have you
556
00:34:54,467 --> 00:34:56,677
had that success at all?
557
00:34:56,677 --> 00:35:00,848
I know a couple people that were really
into him and I've just sort of kept in
558
00:35:00,848 --> 00:35:05,812
touch with them over the years and
listened and just sort of followed along.
559
00:35:05,812 --> 00:35:11,692
And I think just sort of being there is
the best you can do because arguing is
560
00:35:11,692 --> 00:35:14,320
just going to push the person away.
561
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:20,827
The internet is full of the worst possible
examples of how to engage with people.
562
00:35:20,827 --> 00:35:23,496
You know, you don't want to argue, you
don't want to insult them, you don't want
563
00:35:23,496 --> 00:35:27,917
to belittle them, you don't want to just
win or make them feel stupid.
564
00:35:28,042 --> 00:35:31,462
You don't just want to throw a bunch of
facts at them because who cares about
565
00:35:31,462 --> 00:35:35,049
facts really when it comes down to it,
especially the facts don't care about your
566
00:35:35,049 --> 00:35:36,050
feelings crowd.
567
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:42,515
And so what you can do is just be a friend
and be supportive and also occasionally
568
00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:45,309
share a little nugget of like, hey, today
I learned this.
569
00:35:45,309 --> 00:35:46,143
That's interesting.
570
00:35:46,143 --> 00:35:47,562
What do you think?
571
00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:49,647
You know, that's about as...
572
00:35:49,647 --> 00:35:53,359
the gentle touch approach I've found is
best.
573
00:35:54,861 --> 00:36:01,659
So anybody out there that has a friend or
knows somebody who is in that world, and I
574
00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:09,041
still am in touch with a few people like
that, I definitely recommend just first
575
00:36:09,041 --> 00:36:13,462
and foremost letting them know that you're
there for them, letting them know that
576
00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:18,217
you're gonna be a friend to them no matter
what, and anything that they wanna talk
577
00:36:18,217 --> 00:36:19,927
about, you're happy to listen.
578
00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:26,392
And that and you can also honestly say,
you know, I'm not convinced by this But if
579
00:36:26,392 --> 00:36:31,689
you want to share more with me, I'll
listen and and the fact that you're
580
00:36:31,689 --> 00:36:37,195
listening and and friendly But also the
fact that you are being honest and saying
581
00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:43,618
well, this isn't convincing to me I think
is can help a person get a little bit of
582
00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:47,997
an anchor and get a little bit of a handle
on you know
583
00:36:47,997 --> 00:36:50,208
can be helping to throw them a lifeline.
584
00:36:50,666 --> 00:36:53,961
What Mike is trying to get to is that I
was that for him when he left religion and
585
00:36:53,961 --> 00:36:56,464
he's just trying to thank me again because
he owes his life to me.
586
00:36:56,464 --> 00:36:57,715
I understand.
587
00:36:58,341 --> 00:37:01,844
Yeah, honestly, that's not that is not the
case.
588
00:37:01,844 --> 00:37:08,893
Matthew is Matthew is the last straw
because I was so close Yeah, that's after
589
00:37:08,893 --> 00:37:09,810
that can't the statement.
590
00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:11,729
Yeah, that's I want to phrase it
591
00:37:11,729 --> 00:37:14,857
like climbing out on the boat and one foot
was still in the water and I was like,
592
00:37:14,857 --> 00:37:16,359
hey, wait.
593
00:37:16,567 --> 00:37:22,114
No, but what I will say what I will say is
out of my own the reason I ask that
594
00:37:22,114 --> 00:37:29,830
question I've asked it a couple times at
other functions to other people is You
595
00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:34,710
know obviously we want to reach people as
best as possible and in a compassionate
596
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:40,424
way and but in an effective way and I Have
found personally and and and this kind of
597
00:37:40,424 --> 00:37:44,136
goes what you just said that if I'm just
598
00:37:44,136 --> 00:37:51,394
if I just talk about my experience and Let
that be open and knowledge and let people
599
00:37:51,394 --> 00:37:55,731
know that I'm open to talk about if you
have questions So like and it's not just
600
00:37:55,731 --> 00:38:01,112
atheism I'm bipolar and I have been always
open about the fact that bipolar and I get
601
00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:04,907
people who will come up to me and say I
was actually you know diagnosed.
602
00:38:04,907 --> 00:38:09,578
I haven't talked to anybody about it, but
It's cool to know that you know because
603
00:38:09,578 --> 00:38:13,541
you know there's certain things that we
don't want to talk about in
604
00:38:13,541 --> 00:38:18,087
Good company or whatever and I think
that's what I found is effective and it
605
00:38:18,087 --> 00:38:22,591
sounds somewhat somewhat similar to what
you're saying And if that's the case,
606
00:38:22,591 --> 00:38:23,926
that's that's good.
607
00:38:23,926 --> 00:38:30,433
That's that's how I will Keep keep going
Well, and I think it's not even about like
608
00:38:30,433 --> 00:38:34,937
looking for it it's more just being like
hey guys like My door is always open kind
609
00:38:34,937 --> 00:38:39,108
of for that, you know to talk about
bipolar or whatever
610
00:38:39,108 --> 00:38:44,739
And I think it can really help somebody to
know that there's more than just the two
611
00:38:44,739 --> 00:38:48,075
types of people in the world that they're
being taught, which is, you know, when
612
00:38:48,075 --> 00:38:52,747
you're in, if you've taken the red pill,
if you're really like into whatever it is
613
00:38:52,747 --> 00:38:55,333
that you're into, then there's two types
of people in the world.
614
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:59,253
There's people that have taken the red
pill with you and are there with you and
615
00:38:59,253 --> 00:38:59,879
see the truth.
616
00:38:59,879 --> 00:39:03,632
And then there's the normies who just
don't, you know, the NPCs, the people who
617
00:39:03,632 --> 00:39:05,551
just don't get it, the people who have
never...
618
00:39:05,551 --> 00:39:09,013
never woken up, the people who are
sleepwalking through life, right, is one
619
00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:09,638
of the two.
620
00:39:09,638 --> 00:39:15,603
Or maybe the third type of person is the
suppressor, the person who's conspiring to
621
00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:17,772
keep it all secret, right?
622
00:39:17,772 --> 00:39:20,399
So there's those people.
623
00:39:20,441 --> 00:39:27,281
And to meet somebody who has seen what
they've seen and has looked into it the
624
00:39:27,281 --> 00:39:33,371
same way that they have and has actually
looked at all of their videos and looked
625
00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:35,539
at all of their research and looked at all
of their...
626
00:39:35,539 --> 00:39:40,628
their stuff and is still not convinced and
has some logical reasons why they're not
627
00:39:40,628 --> 00:39:41,587
convinced.
628
00:39:41,587 --> 00:39:44,215
That's just like breaking down the fourth
wall.
629
00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:46,467
That's not in the script.
630
00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:48,719
So I think that can be helpful.
631
00:39:50,346 --> 00:39:52,389
A little bit of street epistemology thrown
in.
632
00:39:52,389 --> 00:39:57,269
I look at questions that help them later
on think about, not trying to win an
633
00:39:57,269 --> 00:40:02,608
argument, but just those questions that
help them later on analyze their own
634
00:40:02,608 --> 00:40:05,820
beliefs a little more in the privacy of
their own home where it's not an attack on
635
00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:06,779
their ego.
636
00:40:10,491 --> 00:40:12,243
So Matthew do you have any other
questions?
637
00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:16,956
I know I told you 45 minutes roughly and I
don't want to keep you too long I don't
638
00:40:16,956 --> 00:40:18,833
know what you've got planned Coleman.
639
00:40:18,833 --> 00:40:21,836
So but Matthew do you have any more
questions for Coleman or?
640
00:40:23,045 --> 00:40:24,588
I didn't know I was supposed to have
questions.
641
00:40:24,588 --> 00:40:26,340
Nobody gave me homework to write
questions.
642
00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:26,841
That's fine.
643
00:40:26,841 --> 00:40:29,718
If you don't have them, that's fine I just
want to what I don't want to do is sign
644
00:40:29,718 --> 00:40:35,057
off before we've all you know Like I was
gonna start plug in plug in the thinking
645
00:40:35,057 --> 00:40:41,605
this through channel or think think this
through right or is it?
646
00:40:41,605 --> 00:40:42,731
you're gonna plug it, first of all.
647
00:40:42,731 --> 00:40:43,899
I think that's important.
648
00:40:43,899 --> 00:40:47,236
have it right in all the writing, but I
never remember stuff off the top of my
649
00:40:47,236 --> 00:40:50,656
head correctly Think this through
650
00:40:50,656 --> 00:40:52,908
Right, and funny little story about that.
651
00:40:52,908 --> 00:40:56,454
So I originally wanted to call the channel
Think It Through, and then my wife came up
652
00:40:56,454 --> 00:41:00,499
to me one day before I took that, I was
about to like take that domain name, and
653
00:41:00,499 --> 00:41:04,587
she was like, Coleman, do you realize what
the acronym for that channel would be?
654
00:41:04,962 --> 00:41:11,594
And I was like, no, I would never ever
hear the end of people saying he didn't
655
00:41:11,594 --> 00:41:12,845
think this through.
656
00:41:13,053 --> 00:41:13,888
So.
657
00:41:15,139 --> 00:41:15,890
Great.
658
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:17,558
That's a great story.
659
00:41:17,641 --> 00:41:19,977
well, at least when you abbreviate it.
660
00:41:19,977 --> 00:41:21,020
Yep.
661
00:41:21,937 --> 00:41:27,693
Yeah Yeah, so if for listeners if if you
want to check out Coleman's videos which
662
00:41:27,693 --> 00:41:33,782
are really entertaining and Educational
you can go to think this through channel
663
00:41:33,782 --> 00:41:35,117
on YouTube.
664
00:41:35,117 --> 00:41:40,539
It'll be linked in all of our show notes
on everything Do you have anything else
665
00:41:40,539 --> 00:41:44,793
you want to plug Coleman or That's your
big thing, but I don't know if you had any
666
00:41:44,793 --> 00:41:47,588
side Okay Thank you.
667
00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:49,590
This was this was great
668
00:41:49,924 --> 00:41:55,554
You are welcome to stay but where Matthew
and I are gonna do our quick spiel for
669
00:41:55,554 --> 00:42:01,894
patrons and Subscribing and all the other
crap which is fun because Matthew gets
670
00:42:01,894 --> 00:42:11,737
real obscene While I'm doing my part he
does All right, thank great, thank you
671
00:42:11,737 --> 00:42:13,614
very much for coming
672
00:42:13,614 --> 00:42:14,740
was very enlightening.
673
00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:18,285
And I'm very happy that we waited to do
this topic with someone who had more
674
00:42:18,285 --> 00:42:19,703
intelligent things to say than us.
675
00:42:19,703 --> 00:42:21,121
I'm glad we got to connect.
676
00:42:21,121 --> 00:42:23,249
Thanks guys, appreciate it.
677
00:42:23,249 --> 00:42:24,667
All right, see you later.
678
00:42:25,167 --> 00:42:25,960
Bye.
679
00:42:30,047 --> 00:42:34,218
So it's like youtube .com slash at Think
This Through channel.
680
00:42:34,635 --> 00:42:36,845
When Mike said channel, he meant it.
681
00:42:40,182 --> 00:42:42,142
Okay, Matthew, can you see it or?
682
00:42:42,142 --> 00:42:45,104
if you're watching us on YouTube right
now, is that a good segue?
683
00:42:45,104 --> 00:42:48,315
If you're watching us on YouTube right
now, I hope by now because you were so
684
00:42:48,315 --> 00:42:51,026
enthralled with what you heard, you
already hit the like button for this
685
00:42:51,026 --> 00:42:51,568
video.
686
00:42:51,568 --> 00:42:55,072
And because you were so engaged, you've
already said, I need to make a comment and
687
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talk about this.
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I have something to share or to challenge
or to agree.
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So go ahead and make comments.
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The algorithm loves that.
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And we get to build some community.
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Let us know by subscribing to the channel
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We'll know this is the kind of thing you
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out.
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And if you want to see the crap we
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Because when we crap, it goes down.
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And if you're listening to this podcast,
not live, and I'm assuming not on YouTube,
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whatever.
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Anyway, if you're listening to this
podcast,
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to deal with people.
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This is the level of professionalism.
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00:43:49,752 --> 00:43:51,670
He thinks video and live are the same
thing.
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He thinks like when he watched Smurfs the
Kid, he ran outside to look for them
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because he goes, I can see them.
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They're outside right now.
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He thinks it's all happening at the
moment.
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You know, he has like the ephesia thing
where he can't picture things in his mind.
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So he doesn't understand that things
you're seeing are not happening live.
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He just thinks they must all be happening
live because the idea of like a recorded
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video is foreign to him.
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I have to deal with this all the time.
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00:44:12,983 --> 00:44:14,860
Literally, we went to the movies.
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And we were watching like a revamp of
Jaws, right?
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00:44:17,196 --> 00:44:18,364
It was a revival of Jaws.
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And he wouldn't wash his hands because he
thought there was a shark in the sink.
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I mean, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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What do I do?
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What do I do?
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What do I do?
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You tell me.
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If you're listening to this podcast,
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That would be great though Yeah, that
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If you want to help us in a money way You
can give us a dollar a month by
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subscribing on Apple podcasts that does
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00:44:51,438 --> 00:44:53,065
you can go on patreon
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we actually record it.
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Before the release so the regular RSS
release is on Friday and the early
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releases on Monday You know all about you
know Four days
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Well, work week.
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Matthew you know all about early release.
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So anyway Jesus Christ, how do I I wrote
it I fucking
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early on Apple by subscribing for a dollar
week or you can go to patreon .com forward
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slash talking about the big stuff where
there's option the buck option three buck
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option a free option a ten buck option a
hundred seventy five dollars and thirty
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two cent option might tell him about those
options
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There's a $1 option.
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00:45:31,937 --> 00:45:38,652
The show is four days before the regular
feed version There is a $3 version which
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is $3 a month gets you not unedited But
like a lot of extra bonus content like
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this episode if you're watching or if
you're watching this on YouTube or
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listening to this potentially We talked
about Needles going in arms on the bonus
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content that you're not gonna get because
YouTube will make it
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Inoculation can I say inoculation?
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Okay, I don't
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I'm gonna say it, vaccine, just the words
afterwards are bad.
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00:46:09,475 --> 00:46:10,934
It can get you in trouble.
752
00:46:10,976 --> 00:46:16,648
So you'll that all that stuff from this
episode will be on there because all these
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things have an algorithm that will or that
will potentially kick us off so
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and can't tell when you're debunking a
myth and when you're spreading a myth.
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00:46:25,657 --> 00:46:29,828
that'll be on the $3 version not the $10
version I'm not gonna the $10 version is
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00:46:29,828 --> 00:46:32,331
where Matthew Tends to do.
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00:46:32,331 --> 00:46:33,665
Yep, like right there.
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00:46:33,665 --> 00:46:37,294
It's blurred out on here, but he did
something he did something absolutely
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00:46:37,294 --> 00:46:44,218
disgusting Yeah, so that's what the $10
version gets you Also, here's a cool thing
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00:46:44,218 --> 00:46:49,640
patreon is allowing us to do free
subscribers which means you will get those
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00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,560
the episodes the same same time period as
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you were listening on Apple or Spotify or
anything else, but it helps us all a lot
763
00:46:58,315 --> 00:47:03,445
too because Apparently patreon's been been
saying that a lot of people are growing
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well that way So that would be great if
you were doing that as well
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iTunes, you know, our Apple podcast user,
like the next best source is using
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Patreon.
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00:47:15,499 --> 00:47:21,463
You can still use, I think your podcast
catcher of choice to get the RSS feed from
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Patreon instead of just searching for it.
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Yeah, I'm really glad that we didn't make
Coleman stick around for this this like
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you just May it maybe but also like we you
couldn't let him we couldn't let me be
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funny in front of him at all
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00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:40,107
I mean, I'll let you try, just, you know.
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00:47:40,774 --> 00:47:47,322
motherfucker All right So so Matthew do
you have any last thoughts on this?
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00:47:47,322 --> 00:47:54,079
I just want to reiterate, actually, check
out triskept .org, the people who put on
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00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:57,332
the Skeptic Camp.
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00:47:57,332 --> 00:48:00,085
And they do like a virtual skeptics in the
pub.
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00:48:00,085 --> 00:48:03,380
It used to be live, but they're so
concerned about COVID wisely.
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00:48:03,380 --> 00:48:04,715
So they do a virtual meetup.
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00:48:04,715 --> 00:48:08,010
So if you want to talk to skeptical
people, they're based in the Triangle area
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of North Carolina, but they're part of a
national or international organization.
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00:48:11,805 --> 00:48:14,975
So there's a lot of good information and
links on their website.
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00:48:14,975 --> 00:48:20,731
That's T R I S K E P dot org try skip .org
I think.
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00:48:20,731 --> 00:48:23,984
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right, but I
will have the shown in the show notes as
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well.
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people who are driving right now, now
you've got it in your head.
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Other than that, I just wanted to say
thank you so much for joining us today,
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like Coleman did, to talk about the big
stuff and don't believe everything you
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hear, even the things that Mike said.