Table in the Back | Ben Freedland

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Hey, Sammy. I'm not sure if you remember me or not.
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This has been the jew we did time together back
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at Allenwood in Pennsylvania. Listen, I've been wanting to get
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in touch with you for a while now. It's been
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almost a decade. I can't even believe it. I've built
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a life for myself and I'm doing pretty well. I've
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got some good stuff going on, got married, bought a house,
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have a little girl. I just never forget prison, man,
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I can't forget it. You know, everything we went through
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I really treated. It's always in the back of my mind.
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But you were there for me back then, and that's
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something that's always stuck with me. I'll never forget it.
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I know you have a podcast now. It seems like
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you've got some good stuff going on. I'm really happy
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for you. I've got a podcast for myself too. I
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was hoping maybe we could just catch up one of
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these days, talk about alan Wood, talk about those hard times.
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Maybe we can't even do a podcast. Let me know
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what you think. Take care of Sammy. Hope to hear
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from you soon. Love you, brother. Are you doing brother,
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It's it's it's it's really good to see you. Brother,
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come here, gonna give me a Yes, it's good to
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see you. Listen, when you when you first met me,
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you gave me something. You gave me a bathroom. So
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I'm giving you one back. And it looks the same, right,
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you had two and you gave me an extra one.
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So now I get I'm giving it back to you.
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My pleasure, my pleasure here, all right, it's really good
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to see you. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna sit on
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that side. I'll sit over here.
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It's been a long time.
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It's been a long time.
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It's an honor to be able to take the time
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to speak with some of the people that I did
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time with. It's a brotherhood beyond brotherhood. It's uh when
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you do time with a man, it is beyond anything familial.
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And so your brother, your father, your mentor all these
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things put together, it's a bond that not a lot
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of people. Sure, So I'm very honored to be here
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today to talk to you about some bring back some
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memories that might be painful but might be also in
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Jackson humor into the conversation about a serious time.
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So it's good seeing you again. It was a long
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trip for you.
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It was worth it.
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Thank you, Thank you. It's worth it for me too.
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It's been in quite a while. Want to smoke?
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Sure, Yeah. I was looking at that and I was like,
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all right, are you gonna I'll smoke too.
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Well.
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Your assistant she was telling me that you have very
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specific tastes with the swishers without the filter.
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You know why I got this because smoking cigarettes is
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a lot of chemicals in there to burn a thing quicker,
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and you're smoking all that and this this is just tobacco.
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And the reason I need these milder ones is because
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I inhale. I don't know if you inhale.
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I'll see if I can or not. I might not
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have the tenacity to do it. It is really good
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to see you, Sammy. I've been trying to make the
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connection since we last saw each other. And I last
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saw you in twenty seventeen, so it's almost nine years now.
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And you know, the environment that we were in, what
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we were incarcerated, was a lot different than what we're
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doing right now. So it's really good to sit here
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and have this smoke with Youah, let's light it up
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my pleasure, all right, Yeah, I can inhale it. Yeah,
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it's pretty smooth.
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Smooth. Those big cigars if I try to inhale them,
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my choke.
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Yeah, I can't do cigars. No, this is way more smooth. Yeah,
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and this is smooth.
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It's almost like a semi like a cigar atte.
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My name is Benjamin Friedland. I'm the host of the
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Human Intelligence Ledger. Now, most importantly, I'm a husband and
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a father. I knew Sammy when we were locked up
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together as protected government witnesses. I have been trying to
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make this connection now for a good amount of time
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since been out. I tried every single method. I didn't
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know how to get to you. I knew, I knew
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I should, I knew I needed to. And then the
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most random of all people connected us, who Robert Hood,
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the warden of the ad X. Yes, who would have
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thought that the warden of the ad X would connect
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two former protected government witnesses. But he is such a
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genuine man.
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Oh he's a great guy. I did a big interview
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with him.
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Yeah, yeah, he was great.
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I mean the interview was great and he remembered everything too,
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and we had a great conversation. One time he came
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to me and he was so fair. This guy, I
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really liked him. He says, Sammy, it is the head
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of the FBI, a few of the heavyweights, politicians and
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news people, and they want me to open the door
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and talk to you.
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Yeah.
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So I said, yes, go ahead, Hill. The door opened
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up and there I am behind the bars. They had
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talken to me, and I says one nood, I got
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really really good news. You remember this stuff?
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Well, yeah, he told it to me. So he said,
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it's ridiculous.
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Oh yeah, he says, what is it? I says, I
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saved a lot of money on my car insurance by
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going to Geico. Yeah, and they they froze. I thought
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they were going to laugh. It's a joke, but they didn't. Left.
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They when they walked aways, one of the two of
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them said he lost his mind.
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I got no, you didn't. I know, you cracked jokes
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like that, but I set the stage there. That was
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Robert Muller, the director of the FBI at the time.
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These were big wigs. Yeah, and you just cracked a
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joke because that's what you do. You got to have
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humor sometimes in the darkest places, and.
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That's what you know. And I had that. I think
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most of the time I met you. It was great.
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When you came in. I saw, you know, you come in,
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and we spoke, and I saw you didn't have anything yet.
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You didn't know the people in the unit, so I
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wanted to be polite say hello, introduced myself.
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And you showed me where to get the hot water
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from my coffee. You gave me a mug, you gave
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This is probably people don't understand this, but when you
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come into prison, especially in a small unit like the
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one we were in, it is a whole new world
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and people have to sort of stick together. You showed
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me the ropes. You showed me where the library was,
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even though it's very you know, it's all everything together
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in the same unit, but you showed me where everything was.
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And then, of course, the infamous story of the day
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is that you gave me a bathrobe and I wore
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it forever. I wore it for like five years until
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it was falling apart. So you're you're a short guy,
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and I'm six' one and that bathrobe was like ridiculous on.
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Me AND i remember wearing it in other prisons AND
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i was walking in the shower AND i, mean it's
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just so. RIDICULOUS i, mean my thighs were, showing BUT
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i still wore it BECAUSE i had sentimental, value AND
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i kept it until it was like ripped, apart AND
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i actually sold, IT i think for like twenty bucks
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or like two flat books or something.
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Like DO i get ten?
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Bucks you you?
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Got you got the, yes, yes, YES i appreciate. It
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so it's little. THINGS a lot of people don't understand.
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That it's a little things like that in, prison and
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we were in an environment if in that place with
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what the hell is his?
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Name The uni Man? Angelini Angelo, angelini the opposite Of Robert,
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hood the opposite of the good, warded because the absoletely.
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Complete you. Know WHEN i came, in he wanted to
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talk to, me SO i, said. OKAY i went to
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his office AND i was sitting in a chair LIKE
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i was, sitting and he, said You're italian and you're a.
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Mafioso he, said Because I'm, Italian i'm gonna make your
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life so miserable you will not believe.
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It he was such a, sadistic statistic.
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Bastard SO i, said, yeah, well let's see what. Happens do.
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It let's see what. Happens is that a? Triad he told. Me,
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no it's not a. Threat i'm just telling. You you
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told me how you. FEEL i already don't like. You
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we met two. Minutes you're telling me you're going to
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make my life miserable instead of trying to get me
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in that this is the rules and tell me whatever
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you're supposed to tell. Me you're going to make my life.
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Miserable the judge did.
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That not. You, yeah that's not his.
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Place it's not your. Job that's not your. Place AND
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i had a lot of arguments and stuff with.
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Him he was the. Worst WHEN i came, in they
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stripped me, down naked me, too of course with, everyone
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but it was an inordinate amount of time that they
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kept me, naked and he just stared there looking at.
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Me and it's a very you, know awkward time you're
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naked in front of a. Man it's not SOMETHING i
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want to. Do and he started talking to me about
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the rules WHILE i was. Naked fucking. Asshole fuck's that's
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what you satched?
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Him, yeah because he. Was he wants you walk, balance
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he wants, to you, know keep you off balanced all the.
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Time, no, no it's not. Necessary he was trying to prove,
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something you, know he got picked on in high school
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or something in a small dick or. SOMETHING i don't
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know what was going. On he, Was, yeah probably that's
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literally WHAT i thought, Of like the whole TIME i was,
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THERE i was, like this guy is like really small
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dick or.
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Something, yeah because he just and one of them guys
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who picked on all his. Life now he's got a
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little authority over, you, right and now he wants to
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really he's the man and he's the.
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Thing and he was the unit manager for nine years
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and which is very. Rare but the people who uh
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ran that program kept him for whatever. REASON i don't know,
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why because he must have heard stories about what he.
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DID i, mean he physically hurt, me but he also
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psychologically tormented. Me he WANTS i was running in the
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courtyard in the basketball court, there AND i was just
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running around like the office the basketball courts and, everything
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and he opened up the door of the. Office remember
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who the office, Was, yeah and it JUST i ran
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directly in the door AND i fell. DOWN i broke my,
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nose and he walked over me and. Left he left
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out the unit AND i was just sitting. There he
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did stuff like, that like one time he, uh you
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know it. Was it was chow and HE i had
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a soda in my back pocket and for whatever reason
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he didn't want us to have sodas at lunch or.
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SOMETHING i don't, remember but he took my soda out
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of my pocket and threw it and it exploded on
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the handball. Court like what the fuck is he.
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Says so he always did. THAT i mean he didn't
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want food coming out of the, thing.
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Right you.
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Know we get this little peanut butter. Cup, yeah and
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he grabbed me one day and he, says, STOP i.
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Stopped what do you got in your? Pocket just a
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peanut butter from MY i DIDN'T i tell you you
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can't take anything from peanut. BUTTER i want to make a.
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Sandwich WHEN i got to my room AND i, says,
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well give it to.
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Me take.
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It he, says you tell me that one more, time
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there'll be five five cops around AND i will take.
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IT i took it that tour on the. Floor it's
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a kind of mutt he. Was you, know WHEN i
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had a bunch of pills from the doctor AND i
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forget when to take them in, Whatever SO i take
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them out AND i put them on my. Desk so
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every TIME i go in the. ROOM i see them
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AND i remember to take. It he didn't want me
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to do. That no, more you.
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Don't want to Have he didn't want you to have
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them out.
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Out on the. Desk you got to keep them in the,
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JARS i, SAID i forget when it's in the, jaw
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which ONE i gotta. TAKE i put them a certain,
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way AND i know which ones to. Take what's the?
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Difference they were a little pill and they're on my. Desk,
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no we're not going to do. That, no go to
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medical and tell them WHICH i told them HOW i keep.
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It and the guy said it was, Okay so go
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talk to the. Doctor and obviously he couldn't go talk
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talk to the doctor because the doctor, said this is
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the way he remembers the.
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Pills the interesting thing about what you said throwing the
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peanut butter on the. Ground he once took something from
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me in the dining hall or the chow, hall AND
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i he restricted. Me he, said you can't go to.
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Lunch he stopped me with his hand like all, dramatically
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and you can't go. Past AND i went underneath him
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AND i. Ate WHEN i came back to the, unit
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he had just tossed my room. Apart all of my
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paperwork was. Everywhere and that's typical of. Him, yeah it's
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just so ridiculous when people with authority like that abuse.
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It but he was trying to prove. Something but what
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was he trying to. Prove he could get away with,
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It so he used that to his. Advantage and he
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never so THAT i, know he never really got.
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No, no the prison system, basically you, know Probably god
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knows what he said behind the, scenes and you, know
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these are trouble. Guys this guy's a. TROUBLEMAKER i got
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to keep him in line and, oh, yeah go ahead
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and do what you gotta.
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Do WHEN i first came to the, unit they put
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me in the. SHOE i think they did that with, everyone. Everybody,
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yeah for two days WHILE i was in, THERE i
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read a book By Anthony, Bourdain bone in The. Throat
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and what's interesting is that he dedicated that book to.
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You did you know? That, No, yeah it's the dedication
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in the front is to your. Testimony it's just a fiction,
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book but it was based on your. Story AND i
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read that and THEN i got out of the shoe
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and met. You they had just read this. Book and
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then with the, dedication and THEN i got out and met.
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You but there's this thing about the. Unit maybe it
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wasn't so much for you because you were one of
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the PEOPLE i was going in. There there were so
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many extraordinary people in that.
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Unit, yeah.
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Absolutely AND i always thought that the people would have
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like like a halo around, them or like they'd be
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these large. People but, everyone we're just people in the
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end of the, day especially in, there because we're all, equal,
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right and we're all being treated equally, shitty, right and
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we're all eating the worst.
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Food AND i never tried, to you, know Say I'm
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sammy to. BULL i Was sammy to people and friends with.
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PEOPLE i played, BALL i did. Everything we're all in
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the same. Situation we're all the. Same that was my.
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Mentality SO i never really had too much. Problems too many.
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PROBLEMS i had a. Few they were pretty. Good they
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knew he was an. Asshole they didn't want to be
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part of.
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That, No reed was one of. Them they were good.
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Guys, yeah some of them were good. Guys then would, Say,
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sammy you, know we went total told me and him
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in front of. Myself one time he started abusing. ME
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i told, him watch how you talk to, me, bro
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he said SOMETHING i, Saw i'll break your fuck her.
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Face The god got right in front of me and he, Said,
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sammy calm, down calm, down don't do. That and he
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turned around and walked. Away and The god, said, sam
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he's a. Scumbag that's exactly what he.
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Wants people knew that about, him, yeah, Outside i've even
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talked to people that worked in corrections around. Him they
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all know his. Reputation do you remember that the secretary
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she used to bring her dog. In do you remember? That? Yeah,
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yeah it was so nice of. Her she was such
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a sweet. Lady he was a sweet, lady and she
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really cared about.
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Us she.
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Did she had two dogs or one. Dog she would
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bring them. In that was such a relief to be
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around the. DOG i totally forgot about that until right.
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Now, yeah, yeah she was. Cool there was a. Teacher
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she was horrible. Too the.
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Teacher the, TEACHER i don't.
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Remember she came in and she had a, class so you,
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get you, know points for being in the. Class. Education
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i'm not that, Educated SO i went in the. CLASS
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i thought it would look good on my. Record and
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she'd come in and teach twelve o'clock was a meal right,
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lunch and she'd come in ten thirty and talk a little,
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bit and they caught for. Lunch so she, says all,
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right come back after. Lunch i'm going to give you a.
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Homework so she would go eat when we went and
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then she'd come back after lunch for about ten minutes at.
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Leave SO i got, it says this fat. Basket all
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she's coming here for is to eat to.
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Eat, yeah she's she's.
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Getting paid as a teacher and she's eating the. Food
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she's eating for. Nothing so it was crazy all the
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things in. There but it's an experience THAT i went.
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THROUGH i got twenty three years plus in, prison And
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i've been in the worst joints in the country and
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THE Adx. SUPERMAX i was in. Places you, know it
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makes you used to how to handle things in.
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Life you were other units, before like someone breached your.
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SECURITY i think At, sandstone, Right, yeah obviously all the
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different places we probably shouldn't talk, about but you were At, Sandstone,
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yeah that's, It sandstone And. Allenwood, NO i.
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Bounced all over the.
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Place oh, Really, Yeah BUT i.
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Wasn't permanent in a lot of the. Places. SANDSTONE i
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was permanent AND i had a beef with some guys
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and stuff like. That yeah you know about. That, yeah he,
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SAYS i got orders From chopo to kill the.
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Twins, stupid really stupid.
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Shit. YEAH i was gonna at one time almost going
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to go out of. Business i've had nowhere to, LIVE i. Said.
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Bro one of the people was working for, ME a
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female told, me, says sad, men don't don't worry about.
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IT i, Said i'm not worried about.
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It.
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BRO i slept in. PRISONS i could sleep in my
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car IF i wanted. To i'm, Free so sleeping in
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my car isn't the worst thing in the.
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World you, know you've been in all those, places the
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AD x and all the shitty county jails or whatever
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it is that you went. Through But i'm gonna venture
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and guess that one of the worst environments that you
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were in was where we were at just because of
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the person that was, there.
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Exactly it was THE Avx supermax because of hood was
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not as bad as it. WAS i, mean it's so
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no double, cells single, cell, okay and your lockdown all the. Time,
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yeah THAT'S i. Mean and you'll after a, WHILE i
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walk around talking to.
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Myself, YES i did that.
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TOO i mean and one TIME i was in a
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hole somewhere And i'm walking around and talking to myself
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and the guy's bangs on the. Wall he, says send,
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me did you lose? It DID i? Lose? What he,
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says your? Mind, BRO i hear you talking to. Yourself,
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YEAH i said. NO i didn't really lose my mind,
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yet but it's it's a way for me to deal
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with my, issues talking to, myself answering myself, thinking you, know,
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Reading that's HOW i keep my.
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SANITY i also had the same Experience SAMMY i BECAUSE
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i spent thirty one months in the. SHOE i, mean
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you spent a lot longer because you were an ADY.
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X but AND i remember you told me you were
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there for like seven. Years, yep that's a you.
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Know what it. Was WHEN i was not in the AD,
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x they would take me out and moved. Me but
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no matter WHERE i, WENT i was in the. Hole
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that's HOW i. Started even in that place in the, HOLE.
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I remember WHEN i wasn't losing it, yet BUT i
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was very close AND i was talking to. MYSELF i
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ACTUALLY i THOUGHT i heard voices like the telephone, RINGING
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i thought someone was calling my, name AND i remember
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the psychologist coming to the door and she's, like, oh
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that's that's. Normal And i'm like, What i'm auditory hallucinations are. Normal,
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no that's not. Normal i'm not that's not. Okay why
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are you saying? That and one one, POINT i was
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in the, shoe like seven months in in, solitary and
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there was like a bug infestation in. MYSELF i remember
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at one POINT I i ate a bug AND i
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AND i didn't swallow. IT i just laid it out
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next to all the other bugs AND i, was this is,
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crazy BUT i laid it out AND i was liker
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prove a point to the other. BUZZS i was, Like
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i'm going to do this to you, bugs and Like
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i'll eat you. TOO i, WAS i was losing my. Mind,
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yeah it's it's IT'S i didn't lose, it BUT i
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was very. Close that that is that solitary confinement can
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put you on the brink of. Insanity ACTUALLY i did
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four months in solitary at that. Unit so the unit,
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Manager angelini was such a sadistic prick that it was
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even harder time because he's really taking were you in there?
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Too you Were you were in that that, shoot, Right, yeah.
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YEAH i was in the shoe and you, know, Hey
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i'm gonna go back to Warden. Hood in two thousand and,
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FOUR i think it was all smoking stopped in, prisons,
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right and.
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Uh that was a very unpopular. Rule i'm sure.
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Unpopular of, course you know we're buying. It but he
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came to the cells and he talked to not only
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me but, everybody and he, said, listen that's in order
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from the. GOVERNMENT i can't change. It but here's What
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i'm gonna. Do i'm not going to come in yourselves
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and strip the cigarettes and whatever you. HAVE i have
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one month to implement. It commissary will be. Open there's no.
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Limit buy as many cigarettes as you, want two tree,
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packs five. PACKS i don't. Care smoke it when you run.
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Out it's you're not going to be able to get.
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It But i'll never come in and strip it out of.
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Yourself that's. Humane and as it gets so you could almost,
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understand you're not you, know it's not, him it's the.
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Government you can't. Smoke, gods, everybody nobody could smoke no.
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More so it was.
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Fair you're bringing back a memory that just came to,
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me you're a native In. Native, yeah and then the
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reason why your native is because he wants to smoke. Tobacco,
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yes you.
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KNOW i went to The. INDIANS i went to The
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indian ceremonies and there was no more. Smoking AND i,
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said you, guys is that real? Tobacco that just? Smoking
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the guy says. Yeah SO i, says COULD i join you?
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Guys and he says, yeah but you have to go
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to the chaplain and they're going to change your religion
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Yea native To native instead Of catholic And. Christian SO i, said.
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OKAY i went to the. CHAPLAIN i said COULD i?
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Change he says, Yeah AND i, changed AND i went
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into their. Ceremony. Yeah and the Main indian dad, said
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we steal the tobacco. TOO i know what you're gonna.
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Do SO i, said, Yes i'm gonna steal a little
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bit of the, tobacco roll it up in, myself and
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then smoke it after the guard pass. It he, said
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we do the same. Thing so that's. Okay But i'm
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going to tell you the. Truth WHEN i was with
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them in that, tent they made like.
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A sweat, lodge like a Temporary it was like a.
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Yeah in the. YARD i was in there twenty minutes
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a half. HOUR i got to understand their. RELIGION i
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got to like. IT i got to respect. It you,
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know they passed the. Pipe you gotta grab it with
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your right hand from you and pass it through to
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the next guy through your. Heart. Yeah so there was
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things like. That WHEN i was in that sweat. Lodge
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it was LIKE i wasn't in prison no. More, yeah
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especially When angeline twenty minutes and a half hour in
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that place and he couldn't do anything about.
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It because it's a.
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Religion, yeah they couldn't do. Nothing you know how what
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he did to me come to holidays Christian O Catholic
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christmas and this and, THAT i wasn't allowed to go
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get my. MEAL i would have to wait for The indian.
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Holidays oh, Yeah So i'm not eating lasagna and stuff
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like that the holiday. Meal, No i'm eating fucking. Buffalo
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so but if the guys in the kitchen they were.
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Cool everybody stole something for, me so AS i had
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the raviolis or whatever was.
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Anyway you know what's. INTERESTING i did a few sweat,
477
00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:37.599
lodges not at that, unit but other. Units it's a
478
00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:40.920
really amazing. Ceremony it, is and it gets really. HOT
479
00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:42.240
i don't know if they were able to get it
480
00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:44.480
hot in, there but like in the sweat LODGES i
481
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:47.599
was in in the regular in the other, yards they
482
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:50.559
just made it so hot, inside and everybody's sweating at
483
00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:53.200
the at the peak of their of their ability to
484
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:57.559
like just stay. Alive it's so. Hot it's interesting that
485
00:24:57.599 --> 00:24:59.960
you talk about that in. PRISON a lot of PEOPLE
486
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.640
i don't know this because a lot of people haven't
487
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:05.000
been in, prison especially as, listeners but in federal prison
488
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:08.359
you can change your. Religion AND i had to do
489
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:11.200
it often because in some of the prisons THAT i was,
490
00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:13.640
at the only reading material that you can get in
491
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:17.400
solitary was religious. Material SO i was A, jew WHICH i,
492
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:20.119
am AND i was also A. MUSLIM i was A,
493
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:22.359
CHRISTIAN i was A. CATHOLIC i Was. MORMON i was A.
494
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.480
Satanist AND i read all the. BOOKS i read The,
495
00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:29.720
baghavadita The, koran The New, testament The Old, testament The
496
00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:32.799
book Of. MORMON i read all of those. Things one
497
00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:34.880
of the interesting, things and the really funny things, is
498
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:38.119
and you probably know about, this is that The jews
499
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:42.240
get grape juice and, matsa and everybody wanted to get
500
00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:44.000
grape juice because you can make wine out of. It
501
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:48.480
so everybody wanted to one get on The kosher diet
502
00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.200
because it's a different, meal it's better. Food and then
503
00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:56.680
everybody wanted to know the questions to Become jewish because
504
00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:58.880
you have to answer certain things a certain way so
505
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:00.880
that they could get the Grape jews so that they
506
00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:03.759
could either sell it or just make wine out of. It,
507
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:06.319
Right and it was a very popular thing to. Do,
508
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.319
WELL i understand the need to be a certain religion
509
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:12.960
to do certain. Things in, Prison, yeah.
510
00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.240
Yeah, yeah that's when it. Comes AND i got a
511
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.440
guy who knocks my brains in because he, said, look
512
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.480
he's a Fake, christian just like they would tell you
513
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:23.559
you're a Fake jew because you were with. This yeah
514
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:25.839
you did that in prison for a. Reason AND i
515
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:28.279
did the same. Thing BUT i got to REACH i
516
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:31.559
realize dealing with a lot of these religions is that
517
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:36.160
everybody has a path To. God whether you're A, christian A,
518
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:39.119
jew A, MUSLIM i don't care what you. Are we
519
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:41.480
all have a path To, god and we all believe In.
520
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:44.960
God but yet we all fight over these, things which is.
521
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.920
Crazy AND i ALSO i don't like them fighting over
522
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:52.359
it because my father taught me one day he, SAID
523
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:55.599
i was fighting With irish guys all the time because
524
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.519
they gave us a tough. Time and when we came
525
00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:03.000
to this guy and my father asked, me why do
526
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:05.640
you keep fighting with? Them AND i, said because they
527
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:07.559
gave us a hard time and this he, Said, no
528
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.400
you're going to live in the past your whole. Life
529
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.839
look through the front, windchield go, forward doesn't matter what
530
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:20.319
happened fifty one hundred years ago before your. Time they're good.
531
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:23.480
People it was such a good lesson to learn BECAUSE
532
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:28.440
i don't care about different religions. Nationalities it's who you
533
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:32.480
are right and how and how you move forward in
534
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:37.039
life and what you. Do SO i Had black, Friends hispanic,
535
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:39.519
Friends jewish, Friends irish friends.
536
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:42.160
Everything there were a lot Of jews in your old
537
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:43.359
neighborhood right a.
538
00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:46.720
TON i lived in a row. House there was three homes.
539
00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:49.599
Attached one in the middle was me and my, family
540
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:53.240
and two on the sides Were jewish families and a.
541
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.640
Kid growing, UP i had a fish tank and one
542
00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:00.839
of my, neighbors Mister, goober he had fish tank. Too
543
00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:03.319
and one, day come on see, ME i was a,
544
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:05.559
Kid come, on come in my. House look WHAT i.
545
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:08.480
Got and he had a bag of fish that were
546
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:12.000
beautiful floating in the. Water SO i, said, well fish
547
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.559
inside that are. Beautiful they're going to die in that,
548
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.240
place that. Bed why don't you let them? Out, no he,
549
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:19.759
said you got to float it in the water so
550
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.319
they get used to the temperature of the water and the.
551
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:25.480
Water but that big take. It it's for you and
552
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:28.519
your fish. Tank AND i took. IT i was like in.
553
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:31.920
Awe and then my father would tell me when it,
554
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:36.960
snowed shovel for them. Too SO i said. Why he,
555
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.839
said because they're good, people older. People they're working and
556
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.279
you're shoveling for. Us so shovel the walk for them
557
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.400
to get into their. HOMES i did, that and it
558
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:51.400
was like they were like uncles an answer to. ME
559
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.599
i didn't look at them As joe was sure this or.
560
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:58.920
That and one time the holiday came Around christmas time
561
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.720
and we were decorating. It, lights the, windows all that,
562
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:06.400
stuff and my father had the candles. There what do
563
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:06.720
you call?
564
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:08.960
That the? Manora the manora in the.
565
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:11.759
Window so my, friends WHEN i go out they break my.
566
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.480
Balls you're A, Jew SO i, Said i'm Not. Jewish i'm.
567
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:19.599
Tired why because you got the? Manora SO i waent
568
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:21.519
it AND i told my, DAD i, Said, dad we're Not.
569
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.319
Jewish how come you put that? In he, said because
570
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:27.160
our neighbors Are jews and they have a holiday right
571
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:34.640
near us and They it's respect and taught things like. That,
572
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.319
now what is the big deal WHETHER i put a Minora,
573
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.880
Christmas Santa claus or. Whatever it's in, there you, know
574
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.960
and you're respecting people and their and their. Beliefs and
575
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.160
that's what That indian thing taught me, too WHEN i
576
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:51.839
actually changed to became An. Indian they're eating different. FOOD
577
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.440
i respected their. RELIGION i got to like and understand
578
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:58.400
them more BECAUSE i really didn't get along with The
579
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.680
indians in. Jail they, were you, know to, themselves, right
580
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:04.200
AND i really didn't get along with them too. Much
581
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:08.119
they were pretty tough guys in. There and finally WHEN
582
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.440
i went in smoking with, THEM i got. It was
583
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.319
the best thing that. Happened not only DID i get the,
584
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:19.319
SMOKES i stole, it BUT i saw their life and
585
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.880
what they were, about AND i got along fine with
586
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:23.480
them after.
587
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.559
That remember some of the art that you. Did you
588
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.359
did some native. Art i'm pretty. Sure, yeah that was
589
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:30.839
like one of the first things that you showed. Me
590
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:32.799
you're not doing art, Anymore.
591
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.759
NO i stopped more than ten years. Ago you know
592
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:38.759
what it. Is you would get a picture and you
593
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:42.319
put it in a video. Thing you put the picture
594
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.000
in and on the. Wall when you switch it, on
595
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.359
the picture goes to the wall and my piece of
596
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.079
paper is taped to the. Wall SO i go over
597
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:56.200
AND i follow with a pencil very lightly to shape your,
598
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.559
nose shape your, lips where your eyes, are your, face
599
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.200
all of those. Things scribble a little bit where the,
600
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.880
hairs and then take it off so there's it's an, outline,
601
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.119
Right and THEN i used the chalcoal or Whatever i'm
602
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:13.000
musing to fill it all in and draw. It AND
603
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:15.640
i enjoyed doing. IT a couple of guys taught me.
604
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.160
That it passes a lot of, time because it takes
605
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.200
a lot of time to do, that and what do
606
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:22.680
we have in? There we have nothing but.
607
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.759
Time SO i always found it to be a good.
608
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:28.920
Thing WHEN i got, out my hands. Shaked now a little.
609
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:33.279
Bit my eyesight isn't, good and you need that pretty.
610
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.960
Odd there was a funny incident that occurred when we were.
611
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.839
Together you might not totally remember, this but SO I
612
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:47.160
i was at the visitation room and my mom was,
613
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:50.599
there and visitation is a little bit different in those.
614
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:55.119
Environments it's more. Personal so there was only two people
615
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.960
and it was my mom AND. I she was visiting
616
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.319
me at the. Unit and then And karen was. THERE
617
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:03.240
i didn't know who it was at the, time but
618
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:05.799
you walked into the room and the second you saw my,
619
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:07.720
mom you hit on.
620
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:11.400
Her that's, me, Bro.
621
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:18.519
What did you get on my? Mom you, said is
622
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.400
that your mother or your? Sister and like in your
623
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:25.400
like big In New york, Accident and my mom had
624
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:27.240
no idea what was going, on BUT i was like
625
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:31.960
laughing so. Hard and, anyways you said, that and then
626
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.799
you sat down With, karen AND i Met, karen and you,
627
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:36.599
know it was a small visitation, room so we were
628
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:39.200
like right next to one. Another AND i told my,
629
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:42.119
Mom i'm, like do you know who that? Is and
630
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.759
she she didn't. Care that's just who my mom. Is,
631
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.559
anyways like two weeks, LATER i was on the phone
632
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:54.119
to my old handler AND i told him a. STORY i,
633
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.160
Said you're never gonna believe who hit on my? Mom
634
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.160
and he's like Who they said it Was sammy The
635
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:06.160
bull and he's, like what the fuck kidding? Me uh
636
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:10.680
and Uh and actually someone in the office overheard it
637
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.480
and they kicked me. Out, really, yeah that's WHY i.
638
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:19.519
Left they gave me an incident report for circumventing the
639
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:25.319
whatever security and they put me in the shoe. Immediately
640
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.680
they keep me out of the program for. That but you,
641
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:31.599
know it was the best thing ever because that program
642
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.359
was so. Restricted it was just way different being. OUTSIDE
643
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:39.279
i finally went to general population and it was. Great
644
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:42.720
there was lots of people, there there was a you,
645
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.640
know a, Track there was so many other things to.
646
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:48.839
Do so leaving the, program ALTHOUGH i spent four months
647
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:52.960
in solitary because of you than, yeah they. Were they
648
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:55.440
put me in solitary for four months AS i left the.
649
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:58.839
Program yeah that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah it was so,
650
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:01.079
stupid BUT i WAS i was literally just telling them
651
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:04.359
a funny. STORY i was telling my. Handler because you
652
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:06.880
can only call certain people from the, OFFICE i was
653
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:10.519
talking AND i was talking to my handler from the,
654
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:12.320
office AND i told him the funny story about how
655
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:15.360
you hit on my, mom and like twenty four hours.
656
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:18.639
LATER i was in solitary for four.
657
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:20.519
Months, yeah they were watching all your phone.
658
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:24.239
Calls, well, no so that one was not. Recorded it
659
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.760
was just remember you could make certain phone calls to
660
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:29.480
certain people in the, office not on the. Phone you
661
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.239
had three hundred minutes on the phone that was recorded
662
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.000
and everybody was listening to. That but there was certain
663
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.679
people that you can call on certain, days like you
664
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:38.679
could go into the office and you could call certain
665
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:43.880
people within the. Government, yeah, okay so then that was the.
666
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:46.280
Call and then one of the counselors overheard me BECAUSE
667
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:48.679
i have a really loud, voice it's like my, downfall
668
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:51.840
and they wrote it. UP i have the incident report.
669
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:54.800
SOMEWHERE i was showing it to people because it's. Funny it's.
670
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:57.880
Funny it's funny BECAUSE i was just trying to tell
671
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.199
MY i was just prison is so, serious but like
672
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.159
it's really funny because like you hit on my mom
673
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:05.280
AND i was trying to tell a funny story and
674
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.679
they fucking kicked me out of the program and put
675
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:08.679
me in solitary for four.
676
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:09.679
Months, right it's.
677
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:10.519
Not like you're doing some.
678
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:13.920
CRIME i didn't steal. ANYTHING i.
679
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.440
Know look HOW i went in the. Hole you hold
680
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:20.559
the thing With. CHOPPO i was in a unit AND
681
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.840
i had the guys who cooperated Against El choppo was the,
682
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:30.480
twins AND i got into an argument with them and
683
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:36.000
they wanted to get themselves moved, right and they made
684
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:40.159
up a story THAT i was in contact With choppo
685
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:43.400
AND i was going to kill them and their. Families
686
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.960
WHEN i get put in the hole for, IT i,
687
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:50.960
Said i'm in contact With El choppo all the phones,
688
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:54.119
ABOVE i don't know him matter aby talking to. Him
689
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.440
this is. Crazy AND i got thrown out of that that.
690
00:35:57.559 --> 00:35:59.639
Unit that was what says. So AND i think it
691
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:06.000
was into this other unit because when they came, back
692
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.039
there was an they had an. Investigation my lawyer came
693
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:15.440
there and, uh the head of the prison investigators whatever
694
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.679
and stuff like. That and so WHEN i was, talking thank,
695
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.719
god there was a woman there And i'm, SAYING i,
696
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.960
mean are you joking THAT i got in touch With
697
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:28.920
choppo and he's talking to. Me me and him are
698
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:33.559
communicating on the. Phone where HOW i would like to
699
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.840
punch these kids in the. FACE i was mad at.
700
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:40.719
Them what people don't understand about solitary is there's nothing
701
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.880
to do except read, yeah it's very. Restricted you don't
702
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:45.280
have much to.
703
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.119
Do so but that woman actually saved me because she said,
704
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:51.920
saying you, Know i'm here And i'm in charge of
705
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:56.840
investigative whatever she was in charge. Of she, Says i'm
706
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.880
embarrassed to be here listening to this conversation.
707
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.480
Because she had to be. There she was like forced
708
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:03.639
to be there because they had to follow up on.
709
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:05.960
It but like, right so she but she, Says i'm
710
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.400
embarrassed for them to say that you are on the
711
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:12.320
phone and you're in touch with Al. Choppo we know
712
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:16.039
where Al troppo, is we know where you. Are it's an,
713
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:21.519
impossibility and you're in a hole for having communication with,
714
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.440
him which is. Insane and that's HOW i beat the.
715
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.079
Charge and BUT i stayed in the. HOLE i couldn't
716
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:27.480
get out of the.
717
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.639
Hole you. Can't and but even if you're, innocent they
718
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:31.119
keep you in.
719
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.599
There that's what they did with. ME i was still in.
720
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:39.119
It and then finally the warden came by and heard
721
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:42.920
the whole, story and he, says those the twins were.
722
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:47.639
Moved few other people were. Moved there's one guy who
723
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:52.599
was backing their, story and NOW i know his.
724
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:54.639
NAME i THINK i know who it was, too was
725
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:55.239
the Fellow.
726
00:37:55.280 --> 00:38:00.360
Italian so they, said he's scared to put you back
727
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:05.280
in the. Unit SO i told the, warden so in other,
728
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.119
Words i'm going to spend the rest of my life
729
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.400
or whatever time i'm here in the hole because he's.
730
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:14.599
Scared we got the wrong guy in the. Hole so
731
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.199
the guy, said, NO i if you, Know i'm you,
732
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:20.400
Know i'll be okay if he comes. Out AND i
733
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.280
went back out first DAY i. DID i walked straight
734
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:26.440
to him BECAUSE i know who it. WAS i walked straight.
735
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:29.400
THERE i told, HIM i know what you, did. Bro
736
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:32.480
they had a lot of, money the twins you. Broke
737
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.880
you're in. PRISON i know why you did. It i'm
738
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.760
out of the. Hole i'm going to put it behind, me,
739
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:45.599
bro but stay away from. Me, yeah you, KNOW i
740
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.880
don't want you to be around. Me and then he
741
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:53.039
went in and, said you, know, okay and it was.
742
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.920
OKAY i was in the. Unit but then he started
743
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.360
getting the vibe that he was, scared and they moved.
744
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.639
Him they didn't put him in the, hole but they moved.
745
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.280
Him they got rid of, him AND i stated in the.
746
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:05.199
Unit and then it was one thing after the, other
747
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.760
AND i got moved into this other. Unit people in
748
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:12.000
there trying to make a. MOVE i almost can't blame,
749
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.960
them even though the move was made against. Me you,
750
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:18.480
know some of them they, come they're not, strong and
751
00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:21.159
they break right and that's what they. Do they'll make
752
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:23.119
up a story or they'll do, this or they'll do.
753
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:26.679
That you know better, enough m you, know you got
754
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:31.880
busted and they're bothing in a witness you, know wet.
755
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.519
Secunit i'm in a WET sac unit with.
756
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:38.239
Them what's interesting about some of the people that were,
757
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:41.639
there you, know we can't name, names but just generally,
758
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:45.719
speaking there's not a lot of people that aren't that
759
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:48.920
do not come from impoverished. Backgrounds it's a lot of
760
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:53.960
like knuckleheads. Basically, yeah there wasn't a lot of seniority
761
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:58.280
within you, know organizational. Structure you, know you you were
762
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:05.000
very senior ranking. PERSON i was not NECESSARILY i was
763
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.239
a high level drug. Trafficker but there was people in
764
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:12.719
there like yourself that had rank within their. Organizations but
765
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:16.760
for the most, part it was just kids were like
766
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:19.480
on the low lowest end of the totem pole and
767
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:24.159
they had no. MORALS a lot of people don't understand
768
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:27.440
maybe when you talk About laclos And, nostra there's there's,
769
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:31.519
values and there's structure and there's. Honor but with a
770
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:34.519
lot of that newer criminal, organizations there's none of. That
771
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.519
so we were living with these people that were just
772
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.400
like street street, kids but it was different kind of
773
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:44.239
street kids than it was from the era that you came.
774
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:49.519
From when you were growing, up there was, structure there was, respect.
775
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:51.440
Even if you weren't in the mom you, know there
776
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:52.360
was gangs.
777
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.519
Now that now that the criminal structure is much.
778
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:57.760
Different if we, Win i'm not sure if it Was
779
00:40:57.840 --> 00:40:59.719
sandstone on the, joint we were and there's a lot
780
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:01.199
of a thirteen.
781
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:05.320
Kids they're, kids, kids they eighteen nineteen years. Old, yeah
782
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:06.239
they were just.
783
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:10.400
Wits and when they get, pinched they all. Flip there
784
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:12.519
was about five or six or seven of them and
785
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:16.039
thirteen kids in. There not one guy who flipped all of.
786
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:18.199
Them, yeah there was like nobody get pinched.
787
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:20.480
Boom, yeah there was a lot of. THEM a shitloaded
788
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.719
them and so that's the way it was and.
789
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.679
There SO i remember the time too THAT i made the.
790
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:33.559
Decision it wasn't very difficult for, me AND i. COOPERATED
791
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:36.519
i didn't really feel bad about. It it was just a
792
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:39.840
DECISION i. Made people judge. Me i'm sure they judge.
793
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.199
YOU i know they judge. You, Yeah and it's hard
794
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.760
to know. Slightly you, KNOW i don't really give a fuck.
795
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.880
Honestly but some people think that they know what it
796
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.920
might be like to be in a high pressure situation
797
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:56.639
like that rat bash because they. Don't they didn't have
798
00:41:56.639 --> 00:42:00.320
the opportunity to do it. Themselves but they've also never
799
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:06.280
been in that decision making process where you have to
800
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.760
make a decision that will affect your life for the
801
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:10.800
rest of your. Life, Right SO i don't really give
802
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.079
a fuck about those. People it's very interesting to, know you.
803
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:17.119
KNOW i love when they say it's a coward's way,
804
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:20.360
out And i'll tell you, Something AND i think for
805
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:24.159
a lot of people who. COOPERATED i, know in my
806
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:28.239
situation with the, MAFIA i would be. Killed that's our.
807
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:32.039
Rule so IF i was a, coward that's the last
808
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.039
THING i would. DO i didn't give a fuck IF
809
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.039
i got. Killed, YEA i was going to fight. BACK
810
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.440
i didn't. CARE i just wasn't going to go in
811
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.800
prison under those under that guideline that we're we're, together
812
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:48.639
and you understand this because you've been in prison with
813
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:54.719
people and we get caught doing something By, angeline it's
814
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:59.320
me and you fighting. Him it's not me Telling ANGELINI
815
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.239
i could help. You let's get. Him we both got
816
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:07.559
caught drinking booze or whatever we're. Doing it's us to
817
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:10.639
try and wiggle and flight our way out of. It
818
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:13.079
But i'm not going to sell you, out and vice.
819
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.199
Versa you're not going to sell me. Out and that's
820
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.840
what that cooperation was to, me and it broke my
821
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:22.800
loyalty and. Everything it's like getting a divorce finding out
822
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:24.960
your wife was the biggest piece of trash in the,
823
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.039
world and it breaks your heart because you loved, her
824
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:31.400
you did everything for, her and now you find out
825
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:36.159
all this, Shit you're gonna leave. Her fuck you, Loyalty you're.
826
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:38.679
Going and that's what it was with.
827
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:43.000
Me WHEN i started, OFF i WAS i went to.
828
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:47.239
COLLEGE i actually went to college in the same place
829
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.159
that your assistant was living In San, francisco so we
830
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:55.239
have that. BOND i was living out, THERE i went
831
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:58.920
to university out. THERE i got a, job but then
832
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.800
the recession started in two thousand and, eight AND i
833
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:06.719
WAS i was unable to find, work SO i. STARTED
834
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:12.440
i started my journey as my own, boss AND i
835
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:19.840
started selling beverages at music FESTIVALS i went. To AFTER
836
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:21.800
i lost my last. JOB i was living In San
837
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:27.480
francisco In Daily, city AND i had no. Money SO
838
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:32.960
i decided to go to The chinese supermarket and look
839
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:34.800
for something to sell in front of a. Concert AND
840
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:38.400
i found the young Fresh thaig coconut at The chinese
841
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:41.519
supermarket AND i. WENT i filled up THE i had
842
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:46.079
seen WHILE i was traveling In, asia people sell. Coconuts
843
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:50.119
there's long, Lines they're very, delicious and SO i went
844
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:54.800
to the. SUPERMARKET i got like seventy Five thai. COCONUTS
845
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:57.960
i put it in a shopping. Cart The chinese checkout
846
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:00.199
lady think she was, like what the hell is this guy.
847
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:02.559
Doing he's got seventy five coconuts in his shopping. CART
848
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:05.400
i took all the. COCONUTS i went to the concert
849
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.920
venue At Shoreline amphitheater AND i cut them. OPEN i
850
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:10.880
put a straw in and a shot a rum AND
851
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.199
i sold each one for ten. DOLLARS i made seven
852
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.760
hundred and fifty. BUCKS i bought Myself announce A weed
853
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.199
a ticket into the, show AND i had a couple hundred.
854
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:20.400
DOLLARS i was really. Happy SO i went to the next,
855
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.719
concert and the next, one and the next one and
856
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:26.239
the next, one AND i started selling coconut drinks at
857
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:28.719
concerts across the. Country BUT i was starting to do.
858
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.679
FESTIVALS i did big festivals with two thousand coconuts at ten.
859
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:34.039
Dollars SO i make twenty to twenty five thousand dollars
860
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:38.280
at a. Festival and at a certain point there is
861
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:42.079
no more festivals at the end of the. Fall and
862
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:44.039
SO i had all this, cash AND i had met
863
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:48.480
all these people from all over the, country and they
864
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.000
some of these people wanted WHAT i could get In
865
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.320
california to The east. Coast what do they? Want they wanted,
866
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.960
weed they wanted they wanted. Marijuana SO i had no
867
00:45:58.000 --> 00:45:59.360
idea WHAT i was, doing BUT i had a lot of.
868
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:02.800
Cash so there was a guy In pennsylvania who told,
869
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:05.599
me you, KNOW i want five pounds of, weed AND i, said,
870
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:06.719
WELL i know where to get. IT i had no
871
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:08.039
idea where to get, it SO i just went up
872
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:10.679
To Humboldt, County, california which is where all the weed
873
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:13.320
comes from at the, time AND i bought five pounds
874
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.840
of weed AND i took it across the country and a.
875
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:19.679
GREYHOUND i, made you, know fast. MONEY i was. Hooked
876
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:24.199
SO i did it again and, again AND i did five,
877
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:25.920
pounds AND i did ten, pounds AND i did fifty,
878
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:31.119
pounds AND i started to really move a lot of.
879
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:34.920
Weight and then the guy that asked me for, it
880
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:39.400
ORIGINALLY i put him out of business because he was getting.
881
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:41.760
Greedy he didn't want me to meet other. People SO
882
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:45.239
i became. HIM i became the Guy PENNSYLVANIA i was
883
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:49.599
bringing out to his. DEALERS i took over AND i
884
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:53.400
got bigger because the guy that he was working for
885
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:57.159
EVENTUALLY i linked up with. Him it's a long. Story
886
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.679
it involves violence and, intimidation BUT I i became his
887
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:07.280
supplier AND i started bringing large quantities of medical grade
888
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:14.239
marijuana From california To. Pennsylvania AND i was also still
889
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:18.440
doing the coconut, thing and that was my front for
890
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.199
a time BECAUSE i was making a lot of, money
891
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:24.519
like one hundred thousand dollars at a time in, cash
892
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:26.280
and nobody knew WHAT i was doing BECAUSE i didn't tell.
893
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:29.519
Anybody AND i was also doing the coconut. Thing but
894
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:32.360
people are starting to realize THAT i. Had you, KNOW
895
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.719
i was staying in nice hotels all the, time AND
896
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.440
i was doing all this crazy, shit AND i was
897
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.119
flaunting my. MONEY i had wads of cash in my
898
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.000
pocket and it became a lot bigger than it was
899
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:48.679
WHEN i. Started and SO i was trafficking large quantities
900
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:52.199
of marijuana across the country for a large drug trafficking.
901
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:57.000
ORGANIZATION i did that for three, years but at the
902
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:01.159
end of my time as an official, CRIMINAL i was
903
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:03.400
set up by the very PEOPLE i was working. With
904
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.559
they robbed me WHEN i looked down the barrel of that.
905
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:09.639
GUN i was supposed to, die BUT i did. Not
906
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:14.079
they left me out in a field without my shoes.
907
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:18.119
On they took all my, stuff my, phone, everything AND
908
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:22.159
i had to run to a convenience store in the
909
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:25.119
middle of. Winter and that was the DAY i. FLIPPED
910
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:29.519
i decided after years of being a drug, TRAFFICKER i
911
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:33.639
said this is not for, me AND i began. COOPERATING
912
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:38.719
i contacted The United States Postal Inspector service AND i,
913
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:42.960
Said i'm. Done this is what's going, on AND i
914
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.239
don't want a part of it. Anymore put WHAT i
915
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.239
didn't know is that they had been investigating me for
916
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.840
like three. Years so WHEN i started, cooperating they wanted
917
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:54.679
to know THAT i was giving them the correct, information
918
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:56.760
AND i. Was but then they flew me out To
919
00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:00.920
philadelphia and sat me down on the, table uh with
920
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:04.000
boxes that had my name on. THEM i, SAT i
921
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:06.440
came into the, room there's fileboxes that said Like Benjamin
922
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:09.000
friedlin right in the. FRONT i was, like, fuck what
923
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:14.280
DO i? Do but they they used me to get
924
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:18.960
to the people THAT i was working, for AND i
925
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.800
have NO i had no, hesitation especially AFTER i found
926
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:26.079
out that they were also cooperating against. Others so it
927
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:27.559
was wh what are? You what are you gonna? Do
928
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:29.920
you're just gonna wait to get locked up because they
929
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:31.719
told ME i was gonna either cooperate OR i was
930
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:34.400
gonna go away for like fifteen. Years AND i already
931
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:36.679
knew at that point that they were cooperating against. Others
932
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:38.960
so what the Fuck I'm i'm not going to cooperate
933
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:41.079
their cooperating they're going to cooperate against, me Or i'm
934
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:43.400
going to cooperate against. Them that's that's what it came down.
935
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:47.039
To you know what it. IS i every TIME i
936
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:49.960
hear a guy being called a, WRET i always SAY
937
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:55.360
i knew the. Guy he's a tough, guy He's daddy's standing.
938
00:49:55.440 --> 00:50:00.280
Up he's a good. Guy what's the story? Why there's
939
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.800
always a? Why there's weak people who cooperate in three
940
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:09.079
seconds for, nothing a traffic. Ticket no. Cooperate but there's other,
941
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:11.800
Guys LIKE i, said you're staring there at a barrel
942
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.280
of a. Gun they your people were. Ratting these people are.
943
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:19.599
Ratting there's stories behind it that motivate guys to, Say
944
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:21.360
i've had.
945
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:23.360
It did you feel a?
946
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:27.880
RELIEF i KNOW i didn't feel a relief BECAUSE i
947
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:31.840
really grew up really strong with that other, belief AND
948
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.639
i have WHEN i did get in touch with the
949
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:38.880
government THAT i. Quit the first PLACE i went was
950
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:41.320
back in prison in a. Cell they didn't KNOW i
951
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:43.639
was talking with, them YET i was cutting the sheet
952
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:47.119
into strips and considering what Borrow i'm going to hang.
953
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:51.159
ON i was considering killing. Myself that's how MUCH i
954
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:55.239
believed that goes An, ulstra AND i was against, Cooperating
955
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.760
LIKE i, SAID i ALWAYS i was in prison when
956
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:02.159
a black guy fact had. Les he killed his parole
957
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:08.199
officer and got, pinched got a lifetime sentence and went.
958
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:13.199
Away No cooperations stood. UP i got pretty friendly WHEN i,
959
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.519
said Fat, cat, well why did you wrap what? HAPPENED
960
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:17.400
i know you were a tough. Guy what?
961
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:18.840
Happened he?
962
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:22.320
Said say MAY? I you KNOW i killed my paroles
963
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:26.000
AND i got a lifetime sentence And i'm doing my.
964
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:30.360
Time one or two of my friends is fucking my
965
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:37.280
wife one two to get my. Spots they beat up my.
966
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:40.000
Mother another time they come to me and they want
967
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:44.239
to go buy a. House there's a squad car parked
968
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:48.679
outside and there's a witness and lives. There they're protecting.
969
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:52.039
Them so they, asked Fat, cat we want to kill
970
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:56.039
those cops and go get. Him they told them absolutely.
971
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.280
Not they don't listen to, them and they do. It
972
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:02.559
one cop goes to get, coffee the other, one while
973
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:05.679
he's there, alone they kill. Him they run into the.
974
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:08.719
House the guy heard the. Shots he gets out the back.
975
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:11.280
Window the guy cooperator and he. Ran they didn't get.
976
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:15.679
Them he, says in fuck all THAT i. QUIT i,
977
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:23.159
Flipped SO i don't blame, him even THOUGH i don't like.
978
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.960
IT i don't blame, him you, Know AND i have my,
979
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:31.440
story and it always seems that you get SOMEBODY i
980
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.760
sat with a guy one time he came. Back he was,
981
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.559
cooperating and they went for santasy and he came back
982
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:41.400
and he was talking to. Me he was. Crying he,
983
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:44.440
SAYS i got THIRTY i thought he he said. Thirty
984
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:47.679
in my, MIND i, said my, god he got thirty
985
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:52.639
years and he's a. Cooperator that's a horrible cooperation. Agreement he, says,
986
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:58.119
no that's not WHEN i. COOPERATED i got three, years
987
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:07.400
not thirty three. Years and you're. Crying, yeah what the
988
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:13.320
fuck made you cooperate to begin? One he, said Sam,
989
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:16.280
MAN i didn't want to be with my wife. ANYMORE
990
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:21.000
i had a. GIRLFRIEND i wanted to cooperate SO i
991
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:23.679
could Leave Withoo, hull go in the witness protection program
992
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:28.000
and live happily after you buried your friends for that,
993
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:31.719
reason and you're crying for a three year. SENTENCE i
994
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:34.039
gave him a slap in the. FACE i couldn't take.
995
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:35.239
IT i, said get away from.
996
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:38.599
Me that's the. Reason, yeah every wrong reason in the.
997
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.119
World there is people who cooperate like, that and they're
998
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:45.559
low level, GUYS i, mean and they have those kind of.
999
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:49.920
Reasons SO i don't agree with. That but other guys like,
1000
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.760
YOURSELF i can hear the, STORY i could understand exactly
1001
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.559
where you come. From mine was a little more. Dangerous
1002
00:53:56.519 --> 00:54:01.440
BUT i had the same. Thing when they're doing everything
1003
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:05.559
in the world against you Or, martha what does that
1004
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:09.119
mean to me? Anymore what is that we don't? TALK
1005
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:13.800
i got painsed, On john got his. Tapes i'm not
1006
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.920
on those tapes for one. Second and you're going to
1007
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:24.360
sacrifice me because the boss has to be. Free, no
1008
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.960
that's not Goesing, usha that's you're not going to feed
1009
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:31.079
me that BECAUSE i didn't. COOPERATE i was in prison
1010
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:33.920
eleven months BEFORE i. COOPERATED i was going to try,
1011
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:40.199
out but WHEN i heard the tapes and the, EXPLANATIONS i,
1012
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:44.760
said my loyalties is. Gone we're. Done and then we
1013
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:46.639
played chess and he.
1014
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:49.360
WON i was he, Lost, yeah checkmate.
1015
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.480
Exactly you played. Chess.
1016
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:55.880
Yeah your son was actually asking IF i ever played with,
1017
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:57.960
you AND i don't THINK i, did BUT i did
1018
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:01.840
pass a lot lot of time playing. Interest MAYBE i
1019
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:04.360
did play chess with. YOU i don't. KNOW i never
1020
00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:08.920
really got past like the intermediate. Level so there was
1021
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:10.920
a lot of people in prison that were really good
1022
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:14.360
at chess and really good at. Scrabble now did you know.
1023
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:21.320
What happened in your life and the? Results how did
1024
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:25.679
you change your life and your perspective on how you're
1025
00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:26.920
going to live your.
1026
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:32.119
Life well after? Prison, now prison was a defining moment
1027
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:34.440
in my. Life you did it. TWICE i did it.
1028
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:41.559
Once maybe more you've walked. That but, prison, basically if
1029
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:46.519
you don't learn your, lesson you're a. Fool and it
1030
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:50.840
takes more than once for some people because the lifestyle
1031
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:53.599
is so. Strong for, ME i spent seventy seven months.
1032
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:57.639
INCARCERATED i spent thirty one months in. SOLITARY i was
1033
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:02.480
a protective government witness and that experience just fundamentally changed my.
1034
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:04.400
Life WHEN i got, OUT i didn't want anything to
1035
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:06.880
do with. IT i just wanted to live on the
1036
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:10.440
straight and arrow and be a good. MAN i had one,
1037
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:14.159
goal and that was to meet a woman and settle.
1038
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:17.440
Down and it was my goal to be a, father
1039
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:23.159
and SO i did those, things and prison changed my.
1040
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.480
Life if you don't get changed while you're locked, up
1041
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:32.199
there's something wrong with your. Head it is a lot of,
1042
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:36.480
boredom and it's a race between sanity and. INSANITY a
1043
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:39.440
lot of people lose their. Minds it's only the strong
1044
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:43.159
that make it. Through you've got to condition yourself to.
1045
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:47.519
Survive there are certain things that stay with me when
1046
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:51.159
people disrespect. Me it's very difficult for me to overcome.
1047
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:56.079
That i'm very hyper vigilant now when people cut me
1048
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:58.280
off in a, CAR i think they're trying to fight,
1049
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.239
me but they're just cut me. OFF i got to calm.
1050
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:05.920
Down it does fundamentally, changing but it made me stronger.
1051
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:10.199
Physically i'm not as physically strong now Because i'm recovering
1052
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:15.400
from back. SURGERIES i had a fucking bad. SURGERY i
1053
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:18.159
had four surgeries in the last year on my. BACK
1054
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:21.360
i had a spinal infection it spread to my. Brain
1055
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:24.239
i'm really lucky to be. ALIVE i almost. DIED i
1056
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:27.079
was hours from the. Grave that taught me lesson, too
1057
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:31.320
but prison fundamentally taught me how to be a better
1058
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:35.840
man BECAUSE i had goals AND i had a checklist
1059
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:39.719
in my, head AND i achieved all of. Them business, owner,
1060
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:45.800
homeowner house paid off, daughter, wife committed, husband committed, father
1061
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:50.199
not just a, father but a. Daddy i'm very involved
1062
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:54.480
in my daughter's, life and she's the best thing that
1063
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:58.039
ever happened to. Me prison made me a certain. Way
1064
00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:02.159
some things are not how they should be because of the.
1065
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:05.920
CONDITIONS i have a lot of. Trauma anyone who's never
1066
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:08.960
been locked up HAS. Ptsd you HAVE ptsd.
1067
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:09.599
Probably a little.
1068
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:16.280
Bit, yeah it's a race, between LIKE i, said being
1069
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:18.840
strong and being, weak AND i Think i'm stronger, now
1070
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:25.360
not just, muscularly but mentally and. Spiritually, Spiritually i'm much
1071
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:32.639
more open to life decisions that are made with. EARNEST
1072
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:37.159
i have to maintain a certain level of integrity now
1073
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:39.760
because of the. PEOPLE i was surrounded, by people like,
1074
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:46.719
you people that had high ranking positions in criminal. Organizations
1075
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:50.119
you carry yourself a certain way around those. People and
1076
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:53.960
as those people, do they are they have rules that
1077
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:57.599
they abide, by and SO i try to emulate those
1078
00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:00.559
people as much as. Possible i'm into with a lot
1079
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:02.840
of the GUYS i did time. With i'm very happy
1080
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:06.960
THAT i could reconnect with, you because it was men
1081
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:10.440
like you that taught me how to Be as limited
1082
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:12.519
as our exposure, was it's men like you that taught
1083
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.800
me how to be a respectable. Man and what matters
1084
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:18.920
the most in. Life prison fundamentally change my life if
1085
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:22.679
it should change anybody's, Life And i'm glad THAT i
1086
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:26.320
am WHERE i am. Now the most important thing in
1087
00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:30.639
my life is no longer chasing women and having a
1088
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:33.119
lot of. Money that was fun AND i don't regret.
1089
00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:38.280
It but the most important thing for me. Now you,
1090
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:39.679
KNOW i used to go out and party and go
1091
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:44.599
to nightclubs and you, know do all sorts of stupid.
1092
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:46.559
Shit and NOW i like to go to the zoo
1093
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:48.519
with my little. Girl that's my idea of.
1094
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:51.840
Time, yeah you, KNOW i keep saying the same. Thing
1095
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:54.960
you know my, LIFE i know what it. WAS i
1096
00:59:55.039 --> 01:00:00.199
know the ugly, parts the good, parts and now out
1097
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:03.760
And i've changed my. LIFE i like me. Finally all
1098
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:07.599
of that made me WHAT i am. Today And i'm
1099
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:12.400
a different. PERSON i got the same. SITUATION i could
1100
01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.000
get mad at somebody or, something AND i got this
1101
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:18.360
lion in me a little, bit AND i, say, well calm, down,
1102
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:23.159
bro calm. Down you were born, Again. Christian you're a different.
1103
01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:25.760
Man you've got, kids you've got, family you got. This
1104
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:28.880
you've got people on your team will work them with
1105
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:32.519
you and for. You calm. Down AND i have that
1106
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:36.400
lamb in me a little bit who is also, whispering
1107
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.480
take it. Easy. Stop what do you do now in your?
1108
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:44.239
Life for, employment AND i understand you're a. Counsel what
1109
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:45.039
are You what do you do?
1110
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:48.960
Now, WELL i started a. COMPANY i still suck, coconuts
1111
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:52.400
but there's nothing wrong with. That it's for. FUN i
1112
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.599
do music festivals for supplemental. Income BUT i have a
1113
01:00:55.679 --> 01:01:02.840
transportation company Called Recreational, transport and our company transports luxury
1114
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:08.840
RVs for dealerships from auction houses and for rich people
1115
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.199
that don't want to take THEIR rv from where they
1116
01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:13.519
live to where they're. GOING i pick it up AND
1117
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:15.639
i take it to wherever it needs to. GO i
1118
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:19.039
also have a large contract With Burning Men, organization which
1119
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:23.360
is a big festival at In, nevada AND i bring
1120
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:29.000
r vs to events and then take them. Away the
1121
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:31.039
most important thing THAT i do now Is i'm a
1122
01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:34.119
law enforcement consultant AND i have a very large publication
1123
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:38.960
that's very popular within law. Enforcement and WHAT i did
1124
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:40.960
because of WHAT i did and what you, DID i
1125
01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:45.360
turned it into area of. Expertise my area of expertise
1126
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:49.840
within law enforcement now is teaching law enforcement how to
1127
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:54.480
effectively communicate with guys like us. Right AND i do
1128
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:58.239
that BECAUSE i cooperated for so. LONG i have a
1129
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:06.159
very niche area of expertise and law enforcement appreciates what
1130
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:10.239
it is THAT i LEARNED i can, teach SO i
1131
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:15.519
teach handlers how to be more effective with their, informants
1132
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:19.199
what it is that's, important so that they can develop
1133
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:24.320
human intelligence and build big cases and how to effectively
1134
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:28.320
communicate with criminals and confidential. Sources BUT i started a
1135
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:35.119
publication that it's Called Human Intelligence. Ledger it's a publication
1136
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:40.000
online that's you, know it's now wildly successful and it's seventh.
1137
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:46.519
Month i've interviewed everyone from the chief of police of
1138
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.079
The New York City Police. Department i've actually interviewed two
1139
01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:51.119
chiefs of police of The New York City Police, department
1140
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:55.039
the second in command of THE. Dea i've interviewed the
1141
01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:59.960
chiefs of intelligence for large federal government. Organizations i've operated
1142
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:04.679
and spoken WITH cia operatives and senior level federal law,
1143
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:08.159
enforcement all people that have handled, informants AND i talked
1144
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:11.280
to them about what it was that made them successful.
1145
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:14.679
Handlers And i'm trying to put it all together to
1146
01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:17.000
make sort of like an encyclopedia of how to be
1147
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:23.400
effective when communicating with. Informants but the reality is, this
1148
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:29.280
what makes it effective is you have to build rapport
1149
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:32.320
and talk just like we're talking right, now and then
1150
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:36.760
you gain. Respect criminal respect is different than holding a
1151
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:39.599
door open for an old. Lady it's a matter of
1152
01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:43.000
certain small things like the gesture of the, bathrobe and
1153
01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:47.119
you never know what's going to be something that is
1154
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:53.280
a very respectful item for me as a. Criminal SO
1155
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:55.719
i teach, that AND i have the publication AND i
1156
01:03:55.760 --> 01:04:01.280
talked all these like big wig, feds AND i have
1157
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:04.519
gained quite a. FOLLOWING i think that the head of
1158
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:08.079
THE atf and the chief of staff of THE, fbi
1159
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:11.599
and the administrator of THE, dea they all subscribe to my.
1160
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:16.079
Publication and sometimes WHEN i can see who looks at my,
1161
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:19.280
stuff AND i look and it's, like you, know the
1162
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:22.840
Special agent in charge of The Minneapolis Field, office And i'm,
1163
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:24.599
like oh, no what DO i? Do you? Know it
1164
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:26.960
scares me, sometimes but THEN i, realized wait a, second
1165
01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:27.639
this is WHAT.
1166
01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:31.000
I do, now right, right right. Right but it's a
1167
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:34.280
very smart, thing and it's a good, thing and it's.
1168
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:38.079
Honorable it's an honorable, thing and it's better than going
1169
01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:40.639
back to prison or scrowing. Up LIKE i, said when
1170
01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:41.639
you do, that you got to be.
1171
01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:48.280
Dumb my goal now there's a festering cesspool of. Chaos
1172
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:55.159
it's called, fentanyl and fentanyl is destroying many. Lives it's taking,
1173
01:04:55.199 --> 01:05:00.480
lives it's destroying, families and SO i want to help
1174
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:06.320
law enforcement battle that, disease that festering sore in our
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society because so many people are losing their lives and
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01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:16.599
it's destroying. Families and so everybody that works to take
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01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:21.320
down narcotics, Trafficking i'm on their side to help them
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to try to develop sources so that it can. Stop
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it's WHATEVER i can do to help with. That BECAUSE
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01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:29.079
i have a lot of friends THAT i had time
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01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:31.760
with that lost children to. Fentanyl they didn't even know
1182
01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:33.360
they were going to do. Fencanol they went out and
1183
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.079
partied with ecstasy or. Something they took an ecstasy, film
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01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:39.559
and they're dead sixteen years. Old it's a horrible. Thing
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01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:42.519
that's sort of the goal of my work now is
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to help combat fencanol by doing What i'm. Doing that's.
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Good that's a great way To, okay and you got the,
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family man and the whole family. BENT i, mean that's.
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Great it's great seeing.
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01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:59.119
You yeah, again it's amazing to see you brought back.
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01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:01.920
Great memories to. Me, well this is a great conversation for.
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01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:04.119
Me happy to see you AND i wish you all
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the luck in the. World and if you need, me
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01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:10.679
and when you talk With hood More hood or anybody
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01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:13.639
one of your major, people just call.
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01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:17.960
ME i. Will we're gonna stay in, touch, Brother, yes,
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LOVE i love you to. Brother IT'S i love all
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the guys That i've done time, with that, that but
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01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:26.039
you have a special place in my. Heart thank, You.
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Bro