Episode 357

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Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is
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not intended for all audiences.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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All right, and what then? What did you actually find?
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It looks like it looks like the back in the
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butt in an arm?
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What is this?
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What?
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Where's the show? Where's the fucking show? Put out the
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fucking show?
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What is this?
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Nightmare?
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Shit? What is this? AI?
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What is this garbage? Your shit sucks? Put out the show.
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Put it out. Put it out. Now, you just put
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out one, you fucking scammer. You're not even fucking put
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it out the show every day, You fucking a piece
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of shit. Welcome to episode three fifty seven sword Scale.
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So if you go to our homepage swordscale dot com,
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there's a brand new show called Tales. It's an animated
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true crime podcast thing. I mean I call it a
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thing because we invented it. There's nothing like it, at
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least I don't think there is. Go check it out.
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We would really like some feedback. And as an artist it,
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you know, it's nice to hear what you think the audience.
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Just try to be nice about it and don't tell me.
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I just stick to what I'm good at because that
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kills any kind of creativity. It's early April at Warnemont Park, Wisconsin.
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It's around lunchtime and the wind is whipping off Lake Michigan,
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as it usually does. The grass above the bluff is
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still flattened from the winter. The golf course sign rattles
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in the background. Below the hill. The waves of Lake
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Michigan beat steadily against the rock and sand. Lake Michigan
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stretches for more than three hundred miles from north to south.
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It's early April and the water temperature is typically just
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above freezing. Even on calmer days, the wind pushes surface
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currents parallel to the shore. Two young men are walking
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near the bluff. They aren't looking for anything. They're just
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moving along the edge of the park, glancing down towards
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the shoreline the way people do. The winter weather has
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broken and they're enjoying the walk and conversation, even though
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it's still brisk out below them. The land drops towards
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the shoreline. It's a steep incline of dirt, grass and
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scattered rock. They take the path down to the sandy
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beach and start walking. Their footprints follow behind them. Then
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one of them notices something on the slope. It isn't
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at the bottom near the water. It's lodged part way
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up the bluff, about two thirds of the way up
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from the shoreline. Whatever it is is caught in the
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grass and loose soil. At first, it just looks like debris,
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but debris would be in pieces, and this is one
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large mass. As they walk closer wondering what it is,
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maybe a large fish of some sort, the shape resolves.
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It's not debris, it's not aquatic. It's pretty horrifying. Actually
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a foot with five toes. The toenails are painted neon pink.
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Now it's clear the foot is attached to a human leg.
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The lower portion is unshaven. The skin appears smooth. There
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are no visible tattoos, no visible scars. The foot is
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facing west, the top of the thigh facing east. The
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upper portion of the leg has been severed just below
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the ball of the thigh bone. Flesh and bone are exposed,
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but there's no blood. The skin at the cut edge
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forms a jagged, almost Z shaped pattern. The thigh bone
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its self appears partially cut through. For a moment, neither
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man speaks, but they exchange shocked expressions. The wind continues,
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then one of them pulls out his phone.
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Okay, where in.
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One of my park are you by the time?
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Where by the time by the golf course?
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Okay, what's going on there?
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Oh no, we just the lake the west, down by
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the whole lake on the quay.
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Follow what down there?
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Wor a worse human worst?
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Okay?
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Then we found that leg.
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Dude had team's his own hell phont Oh, well they.
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Can't for everyone on one it's been.
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Walking down, sir, hold on a second, Milwaukee County. If
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you guys have an officer and an ambulance to meet
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these two gentlemen at the.
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Parking lot by the golf course.
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Apparently they found the leg down by the down by
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the water.
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Yeah, are you guys any people?
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Yeah, we're a couple of deputies.
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Okay, all right, all right, you're welcome.
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Deputies arrive. But by this time the leg is shifted location.
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It's not part way up the bluff where the men
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first saw it. Now it rests near the base, closer
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to the water line, and the waves are closing in
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on it. One of them is forced to move it
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carefully away from the water.
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Guys, I forgot to ask you who who was the
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one who actually called nine one one.
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Wasn't you okay?
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And then uh, when you guys initially seen the leg,
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where was it?
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It was just like on the beach. It was on
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the beach. It wasn't up on the hill.
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No, no, no, are they have fallen there? Since we
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were in the clay on the bike pointed.
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No, it's all good.
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It's all good.
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Like I said, you're not in trouble, dude, like any
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like a little detail could possibly help.
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So it was on the cliff and then it slid
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down or.
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Yeah, okay because when they got down there, he had
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moved it from by the rock because it was I
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was trying to point it by the cliff.
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Because it was by the cliff, It's like, where is it?
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And then we were walking and I looked down.
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I'm like, oh, it's right there. He goes, oh shit. Okay,
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all right, cool, all right, I'll be right back with
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you guys.
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Okay, all right, that was weird, right, not agreeing on
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where you spotted a human leg, because yeah, that wouldn't
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be burned into your memory forever. On that very same morning,
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April second, twenty twenty four, the Milwaukee Fire Department response
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to a vehicle fire in an alley behind a vacant
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building near twenty ninth Street. The call comes in just
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after sunrise. It's rain, the pavement is wet, and humidity
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is high in the alleys. It's a blue twenty twenty
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Honda Civic. Flames have already broken out and the car
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is engulfed. Firefighters extinguish the car quickly, and police have
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it towed to a secure impound lot. Later, investigators realized
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the fire did not start in the engine bay or
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the trunk. The damaged patterns are consistent with the fire
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that started inside the passenger compartment. In the burned vehicle,
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they find remnants of a fleece blanket and a purse.
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A handheld bicklighter is found in the back seat. On
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the front passenger floorboard, investigators find what's left of a
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green stuffed animal. When they take it from the car,
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they notice a strong odour consistent with petroleum distillate. The
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report notes the odor is overwhelming. Surveillance cameras in the
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area capture it in real time at approximately seven thirty am.
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Footage from a nearby building shows an unknown individual walking
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southbound from the direction of the vehicle fire In that
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same footage, two women can be heard shouting he did it,
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it's him, It's gonna explode. The figure continues walking southbound
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and disappears from the frame. Back at the lake, officers
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are still investigating the leg and wondering if this was
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a boating accident or something else.
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It makes it hard till I see where it came
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from because of the weather. Yeah, you know what I mean.
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It feels dry and might be able to see like
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a path where it like slid down from what do you.
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Say, like right off your fight a stick and foot.
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So I don't think the waves will call that high.
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So I don't think it lost.
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Oh, I don't think so either. I don't think so either.
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I'm thinking I'm gonna take a wild guest say it
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was a dump job. Yeah, like they got stuck into
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the crack and now it's the radar takes the sif
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slide down, That's why I want to here he's come
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down and be like, hey, yeah, there's a feaver bug here.
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There's may the rest of the body. Otherwise I'll go
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over there see if there's anything else.
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Even at first glance, officers determined this was probably no
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boating accident. This was a dump job. This was someone
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dumping body parts over the cliffs and alongside the shoreline,
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and the police combed the beach for days. Nothing else
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surface there. They were no longer talking about the lake.
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They were talking about a person whose body parts might
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be scattered everywhere, and they were right. Two days later,
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another piece of human flesh would fit the puzzle, this
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time in a whole other state.
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Another gruesome discovery along the shores of Lake Michigan, this
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time in Waukegan, Illinois. The Lake County Corner says someone
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walking the beach Saturday night found a human right arm,
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believed to be a woman's. The coroner describes the arm
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as quote mostly intact.
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And another part of Milwaukee, a mother has been waiting
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for her nineteen year old daughter to call. They last
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spoke on April first, over FaceTime, and nothing about that
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conversation suggested it would be the last time they would talk.
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By April third, she hasn't heard from her, but this
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is only slightly unusual. Her daughter is extremely busy, working
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two jobs, including shifts at pizza Shuttle on Milwaukee's East Side.
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She's also a student at Milwaukee Area Technical College. And
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she has her own apartment in the Lower East Side.
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A routine is complex. Some mornings start early with work,
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some evenings and late, and classes fill up most of
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the gaps. When she's not working or studying, she spends
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time with her friend friends and tries to have a
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romantic life. She's been balancing adulthood in real time. Like
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the rest of us, paychecks, homework, rent, friendships. It wouldn't
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have been unusual for her to miss a call to
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text back later. It wouldn't have been out of the
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question for a day to pass quickly, but two days,
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two days felt different. Her phone has not responded, she
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hasn't returned messages, no one has heard her voice. For
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someone juggling two jobs in college, disappearing without a word
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just doesn't fit. Friends have also noticed, all right.
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Josh, So, Yeah, the reason I'm calling you is I'm
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calling in regards to uh Soda Robinson And could you
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just kind of like inform me how you know her
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and when the last time you talked to her.
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Yeah, We've been talking for like, i'd say, about a
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month since I moved to Rochester, Minnesota. But I mean
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I'm from Milwaukee, so I had met her before last weekend.
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It was my birthday, so I came home for like
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four days or whatever, and we ended up hanging out
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multiple times. Saturday, I ended up staying at her place,
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stayed till Sunday morning, and then I left.
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I did some other things during the day whatever, hung
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out with my family or whatever.
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And then Sunday night it was Easter like I met
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her little like.
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Easter basket or whatever.
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I brought it to her at her grandparents place, so
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I met her family and everything.
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And then Sunday night, I mean something that I saw.
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Or at her grandparents stayed there for about an hour
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and then I left, and then that was the last time.
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I physically saw her. We were texting everything.
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The last text I got from her was three twelve
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pm on Monday, literally right before work.
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She said, have a good day at work.
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After that night, no one hears from her, no texts,
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no calls, no explanation, and by the time her mother
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has realized something is truly wrong, it has already been
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two days. What investigators are facing isn't just a disappearance.
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It's a human puzzle, and they don't yet know how
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many pieces there are where they are or what happened
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to her, But their best guess is murder. On a
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chilly afternoon in April of twenty twenty four, two young
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men took a walk down to Warnemont Park near Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
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As they make their way down the bluffs to the shoreline,
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one of them caught sight of a gruesome piece of landscape,
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a human leg caught in the weeds. One of them
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described it as looking like a Mannikin's leg, smooth dark skin,
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no blood whatsoever, only jagged pieces of rubbery flesh surrounding
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tissue muscle, and a femur bone with sharp spiky edges.
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The medical examiner would later testify about the force required
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to break the bone and remove the limb. Deputies responded
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and secured the area the leg had been lodged part
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way down the slope above the reach of the waves.
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That same morning, miles away in Milwaukee, a twenty twenty
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hontasivic was found in gulfed in flames. Surveillance cameras captured
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a figure walking southbound from the direction of the fire
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just after seven thirty am, while two women shouted from
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nearby as smoke filled the air. Two days later, along
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the shoreline in Waukegan, Illinois, a human r washed ashore.
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By then, what had looked like a single horrific find
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along a Milwaukee bluff had stretched across state lines, and
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in Milwaukee, a nineteen year old college student named Shade
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Carlina Robinson had stopped answering her phone. Concerned friends and
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family checked in with Chade's Life three sixty app, including
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a best friend she'd known since grade school.
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When you found out that Shade was missing, did you
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ever check Life three sixty?
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Yes?
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Did you also have Find My Phone app?
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Yes?
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Is that a similar kind of service?
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Yes, just through iPhone?
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So once through iPhone to find my app, and then
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there's a whole separate app Life three sixty right.
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Yes, you shared your location with her on both yes?
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When you contacted law enforcement, what information did you want
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to provide them?
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My last.
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With the apps, her last locations that I had on
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my phone.
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Shade's mother and friends contacted officers for a welfare check,
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but before anything else unfolded, her friends had already been
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checking her social media. This is Josh again, the friend
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Shahda had been talking to.
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What I saw on her story was that she went
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on o to like dukes on water.
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Okay. Was it on Sunday or Monday?
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Or what? Monday?
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Monday? Okay? Did you see anybody in the photo at all?
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No?
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I just saw some palm coups.
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Okay.
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So the reason I'm calling is nobody has heard from
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her since Monday, and she she's missing. So today's Friday
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and we're trying to put some pieces of this puzzle together.
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So is there any information that you could provide?
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You had seen her story. She went out and was
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meeting someone pretty normal. This wasn't out of character, It
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wasn't alarming.
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Yeah.
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No, The last thing I know is that she went
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out Monday night. She went drinking and she said something
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about like I shouldn't do this again or stuff. I
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didn't see anyone in the photo.
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When you say she shouldn't do it again? What what
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does she mean by that?
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Like?
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Was that snapchat? Was that a something like that?
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Ja Day wasn't known to be a partier. Her friends
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and family knew her to be a responsible young adult
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with military lineage. Her grandfather was a retired US Navy
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veteran and her uncle was a US Army veteran. Jade
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herself had been considering joining the US Air Force and
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was studying criminal justice with plans that included military service.
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At the same time, she was a normal young adult
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who liked to socialize.
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Okay, what time was that at?
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I say she went there after work?
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Okay, so she was was that? Was that a text
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message here? Or was that on her Snapchat or Instagram?
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Okay?
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Yes?
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And that was at Duke's or was that different? Barer?
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It was at Dukes, but I think she went somewhere else.
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His friend Josh wasn't the only one to report she
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was meeting someone, so did her best friend?
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Do you remember her talking to you about a person
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she had met at the bar?
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I can't remember the place, but I remember she met somebody.
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Would that have been the weekend prior?
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Like with the dates, I can't remember the exact dates.
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I just remember before this incident she told me about
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some person who was but she met at a bar.
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The bar part I can't remember.
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Investigators would later retrace Schade's movements that night using phone data.
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Her phone first left Pizza Shuttle, where she worked earlier
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that day. It then traveled to a restaurant along the
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Milwaukee River, the Twisted Fisherman. Surveillance cameras outside the restaurant
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also captured Shade entering wearing a white top, black puffy
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jacket and jeans. Later that night, the phone moved moved again,
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this time to Dukes on Water, a busy bar on
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Water Street. After that, the signal went south across the
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city to a residence. Then in the early morning hours,
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the phone traveled one last time towards the Lake Michigan
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shoreline warn Amont Park. But at that point, investigators still
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didn't know whose house Shade went to that night, and
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they didn't know who she was meeting. So detectives dug
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deeper with their friend Josh, and it turned out they
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may have been more than friends.
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I say, we were really good friends, like starting to
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perform like a relationship, kind of like boyf and girlfriends.
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Kind of thing.
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Did you like go in a pizza shuttle and just
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start talking to her. Is at the work you're referencing
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pizza shuttle.
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Yeah, she was as a register or whatever, And then
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you're just getting.
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The kind of just shot the crap, like we're like, yeah,
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we're from Hartford or whatever. She's like, oh, I got
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to go to Hartford and then we just kind of
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talked for a little.
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Bit from there, and then you got her number?
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Yep.
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Okay, did you give her your number? Or is she
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gets your number?
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I asked for hers?
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Okay, I have kind of a personal question to ask you.
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And I'm only saying this because I've interviewed her co
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workers and some of her friends.
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Did they? So here's what I'm trying to get some
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pieces of this puzzle together.
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And they keep referencing a guy and I don't know
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if the guy is you or some other guy, but
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did they ever refer to you as the virgin?
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They did?
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Poor Josh. Obviously, he and Shote hadn't had sex, even
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though they'd been hanging out together, and the nickname pretty
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much said it all. But Josh wasn't the one she
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was meeting that night.
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The thing is on Monday, April.
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First, she works nine to five and then she goes
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to the Twisted Fisherman with some other unknown guy and
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that's the last time we see her.
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And now I understand that she goes to Dukes.
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We're trying to get surrealans video from that, but we're
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trying to determine who this unknown guy is.
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So was there, go ahead.
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I have a question for you.
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Do you so you kind of know what the unknown
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guy looks like?
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Uh?
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Yeah?
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Did you have a little bit longer here?
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Yeah?
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Oh shit, okay, so she was telling me that.
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So when we went out.
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Saturday night or whatever, you know, and then her friends
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and everything, ohly shit, that's crazy. There was this one
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guy was long hair, kind of looked kind.
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Of like a hick a little bit, not too much.
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But a little bit.
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Yeah, And when we got there to kind of like tapt.
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Hers, He's like, hey, shata and then she's like and
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then obviously you know I was with her.
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This is on Saturday, he said, No, okay, where.
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Was that celebrate friend's birthday?
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Okay?
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He you know, I said hey or whatever. And then
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you know, I was hanging out with her, met her
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friends or whatever. So you know, they were talking or whatever.
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We were having a good time. You know, we were
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drinking or whatever.
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Not that I mean.
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I wasn't drinking because the night before it was my
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birthday and I drank way too much, so I felt
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like shit.
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So she was drinking, you know, like I was.
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Made sure she got home okay or whatever.
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She told me at the end, of the night.
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She said, yeah, you know this one guy.
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He was he told me that, you know, he liked
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me or something like that. And I was like, well,
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she's not even my type. And I said, oh, what's
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your type? She said, oh, you're my type, and she's
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like yeah.
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He was really really mad.
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According to what Shata told Josh, this guy was upset
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because he was crushing on her. Earlier that day, Shade
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went mini golfing with friends and ran into this guy.
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He must have asked her out, and she turned him
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down because of her plans with Josh. Josh remembered Shade
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telling him that this guy just wasn't her type, but
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then they ran into him that night.
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If I had to put.
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Money on it, if you saw a guy with long hair,
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it was probably this dude, because he had I think
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he had liked her and she wasn't into.
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Him, and I think she got pissed off when.
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He saw me.
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He didn't say.
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Anything, but that's what she told me. She you know,
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as we're looking, she doesn't really notice him. She kind
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of tested her and says, hey, Shaw, and she's like oh,
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and because you know, they.
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Had seen each other golfing and then the girls.
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I mean.
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Then I continued and the girls were talking and she said, yeah,
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my friends really like you. There's this one dude though,
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and he said he was like crushing on me or whatever.
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And he said that he doesn't really open up to
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girls about his feelings and.
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Shit like this.
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So that's why I think there could actually be a motive,
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look like jealousy or some shit like that.
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Josh the Virgin was easy to talk to. He was
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providing a lot of insight into Shade's last movements, insight
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that even her mother couldn't provide. So not only was
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this long haired guy a possible person of interest, but
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Josh remembered even more.
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The only other guy that I know that could have
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maybe done something that I highly doubt.
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It was her neighbor.
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Is that that real guy?
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Okay, now, I.
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Guess you keep doing good and you're poking my mind.
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So I guess if there were three guys, I would
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think of, be that guy from the bar if he
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had long hair.
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There was an old ex about a.
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Month and a month and a half ago. She kind
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of got over him.
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I think he was still on her, like.
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He called her and was still talking to the family
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and stuff.
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So that could be it.
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He's a truck driver, white dude, black dude, his fan.
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Dude, Shit, I think he was black.
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I mean, I think you're the first white guy that
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she stated, because I met her family, they weren't expecting.
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A white guy.
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But yeah, that's kind of like what her friends said
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as well.
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So it's that neighbor.
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But all Josh could remember shot A saying about the
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neighbor guy was that he convinced her to try some
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of his gummies and she borrowed his phone charger.
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So that's all I really know about that neighbor dude.
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That other X It's something you probably should be aware of,
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is that I'd say, two weeks before this, her car
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was broken into.
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Yep, and they didn't take any of her personal stuff.
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It was more of like a statement they just broke
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her windows.
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They didn't, and they took her cover wheel of her driving.
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Like the steering column. Yeah, so if you were to look.
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Into it, I'd say it'd probably be one of those
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three guys.
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Josh had just given detectives three directions a possible break
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in involving Shade's car, a neighbor who may have made
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her uncomfortable and the man she had gone out with
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that night. At that point, investigators couldn't rule any of
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them out. Every lead had to be checked. But while
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detectives were still sorting through those possibilities, more body parts
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were surfacing. Some were found along Milwaukee's lakefront, others appeared
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miles away, scattered across different parts of the city. One
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discovery happened on the north side of Milwaukee. A passer
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by strolling through the park notices something in the grass
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in a playground area not far from where Shade's burned
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car had been discovered. At first, it looks like debris,
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some water it up, paper bag, or maybe a discarded
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child's toy. Whatever it is, it shouldn't be there. The
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person moves closer and figures they'll just throw it away
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whatever it is, in a nearby garbage can. But now
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they see what it is. A human foot. The skin
501
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:23.039
is dark and flaps of flesh poke up around where
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00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:28.400
the ankle would be. The toenails are neon pink. Investigators
503
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:31.640
are called and find additional pieces of human tissue nearby,
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00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:35.359
tissue that is much larger and looks like it was
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00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:39.759
carved from or fell away from someone's stomach or thigh.
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Another grim discovery happened while a woman walked her dog
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on the beach in South Milwaukee.
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You can still see footprints all over this remote beach.
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That's a long Lake Michigan here in South Milwaukee.
510
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:56.920
It's yards from my front door.
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00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.799
Someone walking the remote beach. Around seven thirty this mo
512
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.039
found a torso in an arm just yards away from
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Angela Buchanan's home.
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I'm definitely on edge now.
515
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:09.359
The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office believes the body parts belonged
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to nineteen year old shad A Robinson.
517
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This is not something that anybody should have to go through,
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00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:16.920
especially such a young girl. It just kind of makes
519
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:18.720
me like scared now to kind of want to come
520
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:21.839
down here with my dog, you know, and do what
521
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.480
we do every day, because now it's gonna am I
522
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:26.319
gonna come down here and be the next one that's
523
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:27.720
gonna find more body parts.
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The worst fear in shot A Robinson's case was confirmed
525
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:37.720
the body parts belonged to her. What started as a
526
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:44.319
missing person's investigation was now officially a homicide. While detectives
527
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:48.839
chased leads across Milwaukee. Shade's family and friends, we're doing
528
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:54.200
something else entirely. They were searching for pieces of her.
529
00:30:55.559 --> 00:31:00.920
They walked the lakefront, they checked parks, they scared the shoreline,
530
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.480
hoping to find anything that might help bring the rest
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of Shade home. For Shade's mother, one thought repeated in
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00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:13.400
her mind that even after everything that was done to her,
533
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:19.519
Shade had still managed to leave behind the clues investigators needed.
534
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:26.000
Shade is forever. She will be forever remembered as an angel,
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00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.279
a light worker who's touched so many souls, so many
536
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:32.079
lives in the Milwaukee community.
537
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:33.480
She is our hero.
538
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:39.400
She is forever leaving an imprint.
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00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:44.880
She walked in her own paths her own light. She
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00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:46.039
saw her own case.
541
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My baby saw of her own case.
542
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That's how I raised my kids.
543
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We don't give up.
544
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.160
We are fighters, Shade's mother was.
545
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:55.480
Right.
546
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:02.720
Before Shade disappeared, she left behind a trail of clues, texts, messages, pictures.
547
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:07.839
As intrusive as social media is, these small moments shared
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00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:12.119
with friends in real time would act as digital breadcrumbs.
549
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:17.440
But investigators weren't relying on digital evidence alone. There was
550
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.359
also the matter of Shade's car. Not long after she vanished,
551
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:26.480
her charred vehicle was found burned in an alley near
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00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:30.839
the playground where her foot was discovered. At first glance,
553
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.440
it was obvious someone had tried to destroy it, but
554
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.039
detectives noticed something about the inside of the car that
555
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:42.200
just didn't sit right the driver's seat. The seat in
556
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:47.599
Shade's car had been set for someone much taller. This
557
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.319
is when detectives started closing in on the man shaw
558
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:55.480
De went out with the night she disappeared, Maxwell Anderson.
559
00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:01.839
Max lived on Milwaukee's South Side, and as detectives compared notes,
560
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.680
they realized he matched the description Josh had given in
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00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.519
his interview. Josh had mentioned a mand shot a ran
562
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.519
into days earlier, someone she turned down for a date
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00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:16.559
when she went mini golfing with friends, but the man
564
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:22.519
hadn't disappeared from her life. Just days later, she agreed
565
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:26.680
to go on a first date with him. Max was
566
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:30.400
twenty three years old. To most people who knew him,
567
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.160
he seemed quiet, soft spoken, the kind of person who
568
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.799
kept mostly to himself. He worked as a bartender and
569
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.920
owned a house where he subletted to a roommate.
570
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:45.119
And we're talking about Maxwell Anderson and yeah, okay, just
571
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:46.559
clarifying that, and.
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00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:48.599
Is he on this residence.
573
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:51.240
He says that he does, but I mean, and he
574
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.839
also suddenly he put like forty thousand dollars down on
575
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.400
this and bought the place. But I don't see how
576
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:58.440
if he only worked two days a week, how he
577
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.119
could afford this place to begin with. I don't know
578
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:02.720
if maybe his dad helped him out. I know his
579
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:06.240
dad will sometimes I'll get like Steven Anderson mail here,
580
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:08.679
So I don't know if he helped him out by
581
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.320
it or something like that. He was real flexible with rent,
582
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.000
which is why, which is one of the reasons why
583
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:14.000
I wanted to stay here.
584
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.239
To paint a picture for you. Max looked like an
585
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.679
urban lumberjack version of Brad Pitt, if that helps.
586
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:24.159
Did he have a girlfriend? Was he in a relationship
587
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:25.039
with anybody that you know?
588
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.039
I know that he texted me about on March eighth
589
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:31.039
and said that he had just broken up with this
590
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:33.519
girl named Maya and he was feeling really.
591
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:34.000
Bad about it.
592
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:34.519
Okay.
593
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.320
I don't know if you know that has anything to
594
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:39.639
do with anything, But he's always had girls, you know.
595
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:42.760
I wouldn't say a ladies man, but he's also always
596
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:44.559
had like girl companions.
597
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:44.960
Over and stuff like that.
598
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:50.320
Yeah, When detectives interviewed his most recent ex Maya, she
599
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.320
painted the picture of what seemed like a normal relationship.
600
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.440
We're probably going to ask you some personal questions. If
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00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.239
you choose to answer, cool, if you don't want, you
602
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:03.639
not totally get it. But there's a lot of pieces
603
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:06.639
to this puzzle that we're trying to put together, and
604
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.119
some of the things that you might know might really
605
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:10.880
really help us.
606
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:14.679
One of those personal questions was how many times Maya
607
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.360
had had sex with him in the span of about
608
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.519
two months they'd been seeing each other, And of course
609
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.920
what was the sex like, So would you say.
610
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:27.760
All times twenty fifty?
611
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:33.599
Probably like go with like twelve, Okay, maybe.
612
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:40.039
When you guys were hooking up, was there any like
613
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:42.880
kind of communication, whether through the phone or in person,
614
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:45.880
where he was like he expressed like any fantasy things
615
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:46.559
that he wanted to do.
616
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:51.519
No, No, you know, I didn't.
617
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:54.239
Really have any like weird.
618
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.360
He just like he didn't express like anything quote unquote
619
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.079
not the average and you would do.
620
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:01.719
No.
621
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:05.079
No, he was like very just.
622
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:07.719
Basic, like.
623
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:11.960
Like and very just gentle.
624
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:18.039
He never like screamed at me or like he never
625
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:18.920
put his hands on me.
626
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:24.320
Ever, this didn't seem like killer type behavior. Maya went
627
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:27.280
on to explain that early in their relationship, her dog
628
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:31.119
was sick and she needed to put him down. She
629
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:35.239
remembered Max asking to meet the dog and said he
630
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.760
was kind to him. In fact, he had two dogs
631
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:42.119
of his own that were well cared for. Although his
632
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:46.239
roommate portrayed him to be a big drinker, Maya said
633
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:47.119
she didn't go for that.
634
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.119
Did you think that alcohol and Max were an issue
635
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:51.599
or no?
636
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:52.360
So?
637
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:56.880
I I mean, obviously I didn't really know him for
638
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.639
that long, but I'm pretty sure he was a pretty
639
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:06.320
frequent drinker. And I kind of go through phases of
640
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:09.320
that too, depending on who I'm hanging out with. But
641
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:11.960
like I when we were seeing each other, like I
642
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:14.679
talked to him on multiple occasions like hey, like I
643
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:16.559
know I having fun, but like I really don't want
644
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:18.559
to be like drinking and going out this much like
645
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:20.760
I like to be in the gym every day. I
646
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:22.639
like to feel good and get my shit done.
647
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.320
And he was like on board with it.
648
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.480
He was like, yeah, I'll like, I'm down to not drink.
649
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:33.559
He started going to the gym, like he he was
650
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:35.280
trying to put his life together.
651
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:38.840
It seemed like once he met me, but once he
652
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:42.239
met her, his timetable didn't quite line up with hers.
653
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.599
He seemed all in I was talking to.
654
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:50.760
Him or dates with him, and then he was moving
655
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:55.719
things way too more quickly than I wanted him to matchis. Yeah,
656
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:58.360
he was like trying to move things very, very quickly.
657
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.400
I don't have a good experience with people moving quickly
658
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:03.920
in the past, so I kept telling him I wanted
659
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:06.760
to slow down. And you say he wanted to move
660
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:08.400
things quickly, Like, what do you mean?
661
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:09.639
Like was his.
662
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:12.800
Did he say anything?
663
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:13.119
I think?
664
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:13.320
Was he?
665
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:15.599
I mean, he introduced me to a lot of his
666
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.239
friends right away. He wanted me to go to South
667
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.400
Carolina and use mom AND's sister, and he booked flights
668
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:24.920
for us to do that. He would call me his
669
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:27.000
girlfriend even though I wasn't his girlfriend.
670
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.039
Just to be clear, you know that in twenty twenty six,
671
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.079
you can't be boyfriend girlfriend until the question is asked
672
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.639
and the words are spoken. I mean, you can have
673
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.400
sex twelve or twenty times and go on multiple dates,
674
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:45.000
but that's just talking. That's nothing serious, you know. Anyway,
675
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:49.400
the more questions detectives asked, the more sides of Max
676
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.280
came to the surface, and so I did go.
677
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.119
On a date with someone else and he did not
678
00:38:54.239 --> 00:39:00.440
want to March. First, I was working on off early
679
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:05.840
and I went out to dug out another other bar
680
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:11.239
next door with the guy that I was at Luxulfage
681
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:13.920
with and I was hanging out with him and his friends,
682
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:18.960
and then my coworker called me. She's like, my Max
683
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:21.199
just showed up looking for you, and I was like, what,
684
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.519
because he normally works Friday nights. Where was he looking
685
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:26.920
for you at? He came into my bar looking for me,
686
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:31.079
thinking I was still at work first, but he didn't
687
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:33.360
text me or anything. He was like trying to surprise me.
688
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:33.800
I guess.
689
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:38.519
She was surprised, but not in a good way. She
690
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.599
says that Max then started hanging out with her and
691
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:44.440
the two guys she was with, but he was upset
692
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:48.119
when one of them flirted with her. Max stormed out
693
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:52.480
and she later told him she needed space. She should
694
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:57.159
be able to hang out with whoever she wants. Unfortunately,
695
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.840
they had planned to go to the Many golf course
696
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.960
in a few days, but now she wanted to blow
697
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:06.840
him off. She said she didn't want to go with him,
698
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:12.760
but she went anyway. That's when things escalated.
699
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:15.199
I told him I didn't want to go with him anymore,
700
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.480
and I told him that I wasn't going to go
701
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:19.719
in general.
702
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:22.119
But he must have.
703
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.400
I don't know if he just like sat there all
704
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:28.440
night in the parking lot, like looking for me to
705
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:31.760
show up there or what. But I went there at
706
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:34.480
like seven thirty eight pm.
707
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:36.480
Or his name is Chris.
708
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:39.760
When we went there with Chris, we played golf. I
709
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:42.280
was going to talk to a manager there because I
710
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:47.199
used to work at Looks Golf Base, and I was
711
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:49.960
about to swing and hit the golf ball and I
712
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.800
hear behind me he's like, you better not get too
713
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:53.559
close to the edge.
714
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:54.320
You might fall off.
715
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:56.639
I thought I was maybe like an old coworker like
716
00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:01.360
messing with me. I turn around in Max's there and
717
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.679
like basically blew up that I was there with Chris
718
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:06.519
is a different guy.
719
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:08.880
And then he.
720
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:12.239
Stormed off, and we were on the third floor, so
721
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.440
we could like see the whole parking lot, so we
722
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:16.079
were watching to see if he was gonna leave.
723
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:19.960
He got in his car, he drove, but.
724
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.840
He reparked, so we're like, oh shit, what is he
725
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:27.599
gonna do? He circled Chris's car. He knew what Chris's
726
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.079
car looked like because of when we went out that
727
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.679
Friday before, So he circled Chris's car once, went back
728
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:36.760
to his car, start from it twice, went back to
729
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.039
his car, and he did it like four times, and
730
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:43.000
like what is he doing the fourth time? A waunch,
731
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.760
A police cars show up and he drives off immediately.
732
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:46.960
Once the police cars.
733
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:50.599
Show up, You're probably thinking that Maya and her friend
734
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:55.440
called the police on Max. Well, you'd be wrong. It
735
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:59.679
was the other way around. Not only did Max call
736
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.679
the car, but he also smashed out her friend's tail
737
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.920
light and gave the police his license plate, telling them
738
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.800
the guy was driving drunk. He was hoping the police
739
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:12.000
would follow the friend and pull him over for the
740
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:16.760
smashed tail light or even give him a dui. Maya
741
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:22.079
was Max's most recent girlfriend slash not girlfriend. Although he
742
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.480
was pretty devastated when she told him that he needed
743
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:27.639
space and didn't know if she could get over what
744
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:31.880
he did, he did not take his frustrations out on her.
745
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:37.719
This was March, just one month before Shade would disappear.
746
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:42.199
But Maya also remembered something else Max had said.
747
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:46.840
Once, I know it's an uncomfortable I know, having sex
748
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:48.679
is a weird thing to talk about, and I get it.
749
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.639
We're all adults in the room. It's just something that
750
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:55.960
we were kind of looking into, and that's.
751
00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:02.840
All very gentle, more so than like some whole lot
752
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:08.679
of guys have been with And even like he made
753
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:10.760
a comment, He's like, I think it's weird how some
754
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:14.039
girls like want to be choked. I feel like he's like,
755
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:15.199
I really don't like doing that.
756
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.760
Max had brought up the subject of choking during sex,
757
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:24.559
not in a threatening way. If anything, he sounded almost
758
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:28.039
disgusted by it. He told her he couldn't understand why
759
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:31.840
some women liked that. Maya said Max had always been
760
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:35.480
gentle with her, and when their relationship fell apart, he
761
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:40.639
seemed genuinely hurt by it. At the time, it didn't
762
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.599
seem like an important detail, but detectives would remember it
763
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:48.760
later because Maya wasn't the only woman investigators spoke to.
764
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:54.480
Even before Shade and Maya, there was another young woman.
765
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:59.440
We're gonna call her Sherry for privacy, and what Sherry
766
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:03.880
would eventually say would send chills down the spines of
767
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:05.760
the most seasoned detectives.
768
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:08.960
I've talked to two of his ex girlfriends, and I
769
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:11.280
just keep saying the same thing. We're working a case
770
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:19.039
where there's a girl who disappeared, and it's pretty much
771
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.199
just a big puzzle piece right now. I'm trying to
772
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:26.000
put everything together so your answers might be able to
773
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:30.440
help us figure out what was going on. So when
774
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:32.280
did you guys start dating?
775
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:41.800
We started talking November twenty one, dating March ish twenty two.
776
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.679
It was like kind of on and off, and then
777
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:47.440
I completely.
778
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:47.559
Cut them off.
779
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:49.599
I would say March or April twenty three.
780
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:51.559
How did you guys meet?
781
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:53.400
Heartbreakers?
782
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:54.159
Heartbreakers?
783
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:54.760
How works?
784
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:54.960
There?
785
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:57.840
Does a dnswer? Okay, what did he do there?
786
00:44:58.239 --> 00:44:58.559
Marten?
787
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.639
Did you guys just start talking or what was the connection?
788
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:03.239
Yeah?
789
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:07.519
We would just talk and I was single, I mean single.
790
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:11.320
I was looking for somebody older, kind of at their
791
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:12.400
life or put together.
792
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.360
So I was like, oh, like this could work.
793
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:20.440
When detectives sat down with Sherry, the story she told
794
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:24.480
started in a way investigators had heard before. At first,
795
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:30.840
Max seemed quiet, reserved, almost shy, but that didn't last.
796
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.360
I mean we would just like constantly get in fights.
797
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.840
So he's either like really really mean and just like.
798
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:41.440
Using anything he could, like any insecurity I had.
799
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:42.679
He wasn't ever.
800
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:49.280
Like physical with me, though, Yeah, he'd always he'd either
801
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.440
be super super mean or like super loving. There wasn't
802
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:54.440
like that in between.
803
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.880
He would call me a slut. Before he had this
804
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:05.000
weird obsession with my ex boyfriend. They ended up getting
805
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.599
in like a bar fight on the same Pattie's.
806
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.800
Day two years ago, and then ever since then he
807
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:15.159
was just like obsessed with him. So he'd always like
808
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:16.960
whenever we got in fights, like oh, like why didn't
809
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:17.800
you go fuck Jack?
810
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:24.280
Or like so immature, like it's that's my name, that.
811
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:35.000
Funny, funny, creepy, not sure which, but go ahead, go ahead.
812
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:37.159
And then.
813
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:40.360
With all the drinking that I was doing when I
814
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:44.719
was with him, I obviously gained weight and like, no,
815
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:46.280
I wasn't a teenager anymore, and.
816
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:52.440
He told me he liked me like eighteen, okay, So
817
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:54.960
as I was like aging and then drinking, I was
818
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:57.400
gaining weight, and like at first single day it would.
819
00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:59.440
Be like I don't want you to eat all of that,
820
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:01.719
just watching like how much.
821
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:04.599
I was eating, called me like a fat horror like
822
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.079
every day, told.
823
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:08.440
Me even if I did lose the weight, I'd never
824
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:10.440
be able to keep it off, so.
825
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:16.840
Sherry told detectives Max could swing between extremes affection at
826
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:23.920
one moment cruel the next. Arguments became more frequent, and sometimes,
827
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:29.079
Sherry said, Max would talk about revenge, not just arguments.
828
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.920
Plans weird plans.
829
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:37.519
My best friend ended up moving in with my ex boyfriend.
830
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.280
Ex boyfriend with Jack. Yes, okay, so.
831
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:42.480
My best friend Lexi ended up moving in with Jack.
832
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:48.119
Good and Max was like, Jack took your friend from you,
833
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:50.480
I'm going to take I took you his last girl,
834
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:52.000
Now I'm going to take his next girl. So he
835
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:53.000
reached out to Lexi.
836
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:53.760
Okay.
837
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:58.079
There was one instance where he knew Jack worked on
838
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:01.599
Brady Street, so he told me he was going to
839
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:03.199
Bertie Street to.
840
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:03.800
Find his car.
841
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.840
I don't know if this ever happened or not, because
842
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:08.800
at this point it was like I.
843
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.760
Was trying to leave him, so it was really distancing myself,
844
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:12.639
so I don't know exactly.
845
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:17.559
At one point he asked me to invite Jack over
846
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:18.480
to my place.
847
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.280
And to beat myself up in the bathroom and call
848
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.800
the police to get Jack arrested.
849
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:28.639
And he said either I do that.
850
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:31.599
Or he will do it himself.
851
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.280
This was becoming a theme similar to what Maya had
852
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:43.280
told detectives, jealousy, possessiveness, and weird revenge plots. And then
853
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:47.800
came the questions about their sex life. Sherry's version was
854
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:51.440
slightly different from Maya's, So this was.
855
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:52.320
For about a year?
856
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.039
Okay, in a year?
857
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:58.480
Did you guys have sex a lot in the beginning?
858
00:48:58.719 --> 00:48:59.639
At the beginning? Yes?
859
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:08.599
How often do you remember, do you?
860
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:09.679
Yeah?
861
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:12.960
Two times a day when I say?
862
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.400
And then when did it start like dwindling down?
863
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:17.280
When I started getting made?
864
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:23.480
Okay? Did he ever make videos with you? Okay? How
865
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:29.960
many do you think? Okay? Does he have the videos?
866
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:32.559
Or do you have the videos? Did he ever send
867
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:37.760
them to you? Okay? By chance?
868
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:37.960
Do you?
869
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:40.800
By chance? Do you have a tattoo?
870
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:41.280
Right here.
871
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:44.320
Is a scorpion? Okay?
872
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:48.199
So just something to keep in mind. Sleep with a
873
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:52.239
criminal and the cops might see your tattoos no matter
874
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.960
where you hide them. And speaking of which, Max did
875
00:49:56.119 --> 00:49:59.840
have a criminal history. Just a little a few years
876
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:02.800
are earlier, he was charged with disorderly conduct and criminal
877
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:05.599
damage to property after smashing the windows of a car
878
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:09.119
during a domestic dispute. Police had also been called the
879
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:13.719
incidents involving arguments with family members at his home. All
880
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:20.280
of this pointed to emotional or impulsive disorders, but not murder. Yet.
881
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:24.559
Their conversation with Sherry continued, giving detectives even more reason
882
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:29.400
to suspect him. Next, they pulled from Max's diary.
883
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:36.480
Says, bondage equals rape comma roleplay and I'm not judging,
884
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:37.840
not knocking it too bad.
885
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:39.119
I'm cool, it's fun.
886
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:41.920
I get it, I really get it, even if you
887
00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:45.320
are willing to accept that about yourself. You like to
888
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:49.679
pretend you being raped because you otherwise can't feel anything.
889
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.599
And he likes to pretend to be the rapist because
890
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:58.920
that's how he'd imagine. I think he says, bed finally
891
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:04.239
get late, or he'd finally get laid. Does that make
892
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:05.239
any kind of sense.
893
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:05.519
To you at all?
894
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:10.960
Cherry said no, it didn't make sense to her, but
895
00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:13.280
it's also possible she was embarrassed.
896
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.360
So one more time about the pretend rape comics.
897
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:18.880
When was that kind of like were you guys in
898
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.119
bed together, were you guys just like drinking or like
899
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:25.960
how was he just brought it up and just said,
900
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:26.719
I think that'd be hot.
901
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.440
No, I think it like might have been like it
902
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:34.840
might have come off in conversation like just like or
903
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:36.199
like a movie or something.
904
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.280
And he said, like rape can be hot.
905
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:45.199
Okay. So but just just saw get everything straight. He
906
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.639
didn't try to like set that up with you. He
907
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:50.159
just said that rape could be hot, okay.
908
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:55.920
Cherry denied participating in the rape fantasies Max mentioned, yet
909
00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.000
she did participate in another fairly common sex practice.
910
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:03.960
I guess there were all adults. I believe I saw
911
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:09.400
the video that you guys made. Do you recall the video?
912
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:10.519
Yes?
913
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:13.079
Okay, are you tied up in the video?
914
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:14.920
I think so.
915
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:19.599
From your recollection? What was going on?
916
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:23.840
I think he was just fingering me?
917
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:28.440
And then was that with the belt you described like
918
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:31.400
you said, you're okay, yeah, okay. Do you know where
919
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:32.400
you were at at that time?
920
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.559
Say where's the female detective in this picture?
921
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:42.639
Just asking Sometimes it was like a.
922
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:44.280
Little more kinky.
923
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:47.320
Wouldn't say anything.
924
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:51.920
In the kinky times.
925
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:52.480
What were they like?
926
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:53.159
What was it like?
927
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:54.320
He had the.
928
00:52:54.840 --> 00:53:00.280
Belt on his fat friend, so he used that time
929
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:06.159
me up. And then there were points, God, this is embarrassing.
930
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:07.679
No, it's totally trust me.
931
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.599
We've talked to everybody and this is just it's just
932
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:11.400
a dog's talk.
933
00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:16.559
And there were points where he would try and put
934
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:17.480
his whole hand.
935
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:23.239
In me okay, but that like usually ended up stopped
936
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:26.159
because it was painful and I lead.
937
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:32.559
So okay, did he ever are you guys? Did he
938
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:33.159
ever choke you?
939
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:34.760
Well?
940
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:37.199
Yes, okay, and you were fine with that.
941
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:41.960
Yeah, he wasn't ever like like crazy, It was just
942
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:43.320
like normal, Like I wasn't.
943
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:45.519
I could not breathe or anything.
944
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.599
But everything he was doing you were cool with as well. Yes, okay.
945
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.400
Sherry was possibly so mortified at laying out all the
946
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.039
details of her sex life with a potential killer that
947
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:02.599
she almost forgot to mention something pivotal to the whole investigation.
948
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:07.559
Anything that we did, like daywise involved drinks, so like
949
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:09.840
going up to the bar concert.
950
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:13.599
When you guys went on dates, what kind of days
951
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:16.039
were they just mainly like going out getting food drinks?
952
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:20.119
Was it yeah? Pretty casual like that. Did you ever
953
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:22.840
fly anywhere with him? Yeah?
954
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:23.480
Good?
955
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:26.800
Oh he did take me to a park.
956
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:29.760
He wouldn't tell what it was called because it was
957
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:34.079
like his secret like private beach, so I would know
958
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:34.719
if I.
959
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:38.280
Like throve to it, because there's the next two restaurant
960
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:38.920
on the.
961
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:40.039
Way that we always stop at.
962
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:47.400
But that secret beach had a name, Warnemont Park, the
963
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:51.599
same shoreline where pieces of Shade Robinson had already turned up,
964
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:59.039
a place where Sherry had visited with the very man
965
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:36.920
detective now suspected was the killer. It was April of
966
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:41.400
twenty twenty four in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It started with a
967
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:45.400
severed leg on the shoreline of Lake Michigan, then an
968
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:50.039
arm all the way over in Illinois, and it didn't
969
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:54.039
stop there. By then, investigators knew the victim was nineteen
970
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:57.840
year old Shade Robinson, a college student working two jobs
971
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:01.199
and building a future that ended in peace. Scattered across
972
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:07.559
the city and state lines, detectives had already started reconstructing
973
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:11.000
the final hours of her life, which wasn't difficult in
974
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:15.719
some ways. Shade had left behind a digital trail, her
975
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:19.519
burned car abandoned in an alley not far from where
976
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:23.159
one of her severed feet would later be discovered, surveillance
977
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:27.159
cameras capturing her and her date moving between bars and restaurants,
978
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:31.559
and phone data tracing her movements across the city in
979
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:35.840
the hours before she disappeared. By the time investigators finished
980
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:39.679
mapping that trail, one name kept appearing at its center.
981
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:43.360
The man shot A Robinson had gone out with that night,
982
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:48.880
Max Anderson. He was also the last person known to
983
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:52.480
have seen her alive. It didn't take long before the
984
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:57.760
evidence started piling up. Detectives obtained search warrants and started
985
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:03.079
looking at Max's place, and before they even stepped inside,
986
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:07.960
the yard looked like something had been clawing its way
987
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:13.320
in and out of the ground. Max's tenant spoke with
988
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.400
detectives about it, and you.
989
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:16.920
Know how long he's on in this place.
990
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:19.760
I know there was one tenant before me who also
991
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:24.199
moved out because she hated it here, and I've never
992
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:26.639
talked to her, but that's just what Max was telling me.
993
00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:28.599
He was like, oh, she was always calling the city
994
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:31.519
on me because of you know, the holes of ship
995
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:32.920
that he's got out in the yard. Like he said
996
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:35.400
that was going to be a shed, like the big
997
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:37.360
old hole he says that was going to he was
998
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:39.639
going to turn that into a shed with like a basement.
999
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:41.760
And they said, like when it gets cold in the winter,
1000
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:43.639
that's where I was going to keep my dogs. And
1001
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:45.719
I'm like, this is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.
1002
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:46.079
Of my life.
1003
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:52.400
Dumbest or maybe sickest who adds a basement to the
1004
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:58.000
shed in their yard and for dogs that are indoor
1005
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:01.360
dogs anyway, Well the answer is nobody.
1006
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:03.199
And then at the top it was going to be
1007
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:08.159
storage for like long stuff or whatever. That was his idea.
1008
00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:10.840
And then there's another hole going like back to the garage.
1009
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:12.840
He said he was going to do an outdoor bar there.
1010
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:17.159
Guy's just weird, man. He had all these weird ideas
1011
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:19.360
that you just as a normal person, you look at
1012
00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:20.679
that and you're like, that's never gonna.
1013
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:21.239
Work, you know what I mean.
1014
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:25.519
The inside of the house was even weirder, as Max's
1015
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:27.400
ex girlfriend remembered.
1016
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:32.039
Well, he had like the hidden closet okay behind the
1017
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:32.960
TV refer too.
1018
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:37.760
Yes, he had that like marble piece that you could
1019
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:42.519
remove from underneath his bathroom counter. And he told me
1020
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:44.079
that he would store all this money there because he
1021
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:45.800
was just paroid of somebody coming in it.
1022
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:48.480
Yeah, he was just very paranoid.
1023
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.480
He had his little mushroom mouth.
1024
00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:54.440
Man too.
1025
00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:55.440
Yeah.
1026
00:58:56.679 --> 00:59:00.519
When she was questioned earlier about the so called mushroom room, lab,
1027
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:06.840
detectives assumed she meant psychedelic mushrooms. But actually Sherry didn't
1028
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:11.280
know what the hell they were. Max never specified, He
1029
00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:15.880
only told her that they could eat them, which she declined.
1030
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:21.880
Once inside Max's house, detectives found cutting tools, including a hacksaw,
1031
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.480
consistent with the saw marks the medical examiner found on
1032
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:31.159
Shade's bones. But the most disturbing discovery came from Max's phone.
1033
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:37.960
Investigators found pictures taking the night shaw day disappeared. In one,
1034
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:42.880
Shade is lying face down on a couch, looking unresponsive,
1035
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:47.559
while Max is grabbing her breast. During the autopsy, the
1036
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:51.559
medical examiner determined the same breast had been cut off,
1037
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:57.360
it was never found. By that point, detectives had seen
1038
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:01.679
and heard enough. On April fourth, twenty twenty four, Milwaukee
1039
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:07.719
police arrested and charged Maxwell Anderson with first degree intentional homicide,
1040
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:14.440
mutilating a corpse, arson and hiding a corpse. Prosecutors told
1041
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:20.079
jurors he killed Shade Robinson after their first date, dismembering
1042
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:24.159
her body inside his home and scattering her remains across
1043
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:29.599
Milwaukee and along the Lake Michigan shoreline. They pointed to
1044
01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:33.400
surveillance footage of the pair together, the digital trail left
1045
01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:37.639
on Shade's phone. The pictures from Max's phone and the
1046
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:43.039
cutting tools investigators found inside his house. Max's trial started
1047
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:47.239
on May twenty eighth, twenty twenty five, and after roughly
1048
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:51.400
two weeks of testimony, the jury returned verdicts of guilty
1049
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:56.719
on all counts. Both Max and his father made statements
1050
01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:01.480
at his sentencing. Until this point, Max had said nothing,
1051
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:05.400
but now he was claiming innocence.
1052
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:11.079
I would like to start by saying that, from the
1053
01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:14.719
bottom of my heart, my deepest and most sincere condolences
1054
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.880
go out to Shade's family, as well as everyone else
1055
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:23.320
affected by this tragedy. That being said, your honor, I
1056
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:26.920
took this to trial without everyone trying to make a
1057
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.039
plea deal of any kind, because I did not commit
1058
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:34.360
these crimes, and so I planned to appeal my convictions
1059
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:39.400
while I hope and pray that further investigations not only
1060
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:43.679
prove my innocence, but find and deliver true justice.
1061
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:48.480
Max's defense team made a similar argument throughout the trial.
1062
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:52.719
They told jurors the case against Max was built entirely
1063
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:56.920
on circumstantial evidence that no one had witnessed a killing,
1064
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.320
no clear crime scene had been established inside Max's home,
1065
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:05.719
and no single piece of physical evidence directly proved he
1066
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:10.079
had murdered Shade Robinson. They urged the jury not to
1067
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:15.400
mistake suspicion for proof. When Max's father addressed the court,
1068
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:20.320
he spoke about loss in an ironic twist. He referenced
1069
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:25.039
another young man he had once cared for deeply. It
1070
01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:28.679
seemed like a tragedy had happened in that family, long
1071
01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:31.480
before his son was ever convicted of murder.
1072
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:34.800
On behalf of myself and my family, I'd like to
1073
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:40.159
say a few things first to Shaya's family. There are
1074
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:41.239
no words.
1075
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:46.679
That I can share that will reduce your pain.
1076
01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:54.400
You are all in my thoughts every single day, although
1077
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:58.239
it is not the same. Having lost a boy that
1078
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:02.199
was like a son to me ten years ago, I
1079
01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:07.320
have some sense of what you are feeling. It took
1080
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:11.599
me a very long time to get the past past
1081
01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:15.280
the pain that I felt for the person that contributed
1082
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:21.280
to his passing. I'm not asking you to forgive anybody
1083
01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:24.800
or anything that is between you and your God.
1084
01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:30.639
After making this mysterious comment, he turned his attention to
1085
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:32.800
his murderous son.
1086
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:37.039
We want you to know that we love you and
1087
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:39.159
support your plan for self improvement.
1088
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:44.079
In this we hope for a path for you to
1089
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:50.000
become a positive influence for society, both while you are
1090
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:53.000
incarcerated and hopefully after.
1091
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:57.119
But there was no path forward for a cold blooded
1092
01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:00.719
killer like Max. We don't know much much about him,
1093
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:05.599
even from his own father's words, but we know the facts,
1094
01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:10.800
and we know that the jury voted quickly and unanimously.
1095
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.840
His father talked about hope, self improvement and the possibility
1096
01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:21.280
that someday Max could contribute something positive to society. The
1097
01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:24.719
judge and the jury didn't see it that way.
1098
01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:29.400
I've weighed your character, and as I've indicated, I find
1099
01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:32.599
it wanting. I've also reflected on the needs of society
1100
01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:34.360
and are you a good risk?
1101
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:36.159
And sadly you're not.
1102
01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:39.880
So how do we protect society from a man who
1103
01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:43.800
clearly has had darkness in his past, who engaged in
1104
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:49.159
behavior that is it's the facts that you see written
1105
01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:53.880
in horror novels. That's what we have to determine, and
1106
01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:55.880
you know it isn't easy. I can tell you that
1107
01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:00.239
when you think about is there ever something redeemable, I'm
1108
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:02.719
in a person you'd like to say at some point
1109
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:05.360
there is, And I can tell you that at the
1110
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:08.920
points in life where I've come to the conclusion that
1111
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:12.760
there isn't anything redeemable. You know, you do think about
1112
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:16.320
I think it takes away a little piece of my soul.
1113
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:19.280
How come I couldn't find anything good? How come I
1114
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:22.639
can't find anything that I can say at some point
1115
01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:23.840
you'll be a better person.
1116
01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:31.079
Sometimes people are just not redeemable, no matter how hard
1117
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:34.679
to try to see the good in them. They're just
1118
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:39.920
isn't any Maybe they started as a good person and
1119
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:43.960
life's events just eroded the goodness away until there was
1120
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:47.960
nothing left but darkness. Or maybe they were just born
1121
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:53.320
with a heart of darkness. If that's even possible. Who knows.
1122
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:58.480
I'm no philosopher, I'm no theologian. That's what makes this
1123
01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:04.360
case so unsettling. Maxwell Anderson looked like every other guy.
1124
01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:10.199
He wore that mask perfectly. As for shot A, she
1125
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:13.800
was trying to do everything right. She did everything everyone
1126
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:17.360
expected her to do. She did the things people are
1127
01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:21.000
told to do to stay safe. She told friends where
1128
01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:24.480
she was going, she shared her location. Her movements at
1129
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:28.480
night were captured again and again on security cameras across
1130
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:34.800
Milwaukee restaurants, streets, parking lots. Almost every step of that
1131
01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:41.159
evening exists on video all except one. The minute she
1132
01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:47.000
walked into the House of Secret Compartments. There, Rumors have
1133
01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:49.440
it they watched a movie about a serial killer who
1134
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:56.519
dismembers his victims. If true, was this a trigger or
1135
01:06:56.719 --> 01:07:01.280
was this just for play for Max, because after the
1136
01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:06.519
movie ended he killed her. Then he dismembered her body,
1137
01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:11.159
burned her car, and took her to his secluded beach
1138
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:14.719
to leave parts of her body there.
1139
01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:18.239
All right, well, I'm gonna send them a deputy downer
1140
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:21.079
to Saint Kite. It should be that too long.
1141
01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:23.800
Okay, thank you, all right? And what then?
1142
01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:25.039
What did you actually find?
1143
01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:28.079
It looks like the.
1144
01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:31.239
It looks like the back and the butt.
1145
01:07:31.119 --> 01:07:37.920
In the irons, back arm and okay, okay, all right,
1146
01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:40.840
expect to call from one of the deputies. I'm I'm
1147
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:42.599
assuming you're probably going to give you a call so
1148
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:45.519
they can uh exactly where you are. But we'll be
1149
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:46.000
there soon.
1150
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:46.559
As we can. Okay.
1151
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:50.880
He then scattered the rest of her remains across the city.
1152
01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:56.639
To this day, she has not fully been recovered. No
1153
01:07:56.760 --> 01:08:00.519
one knows where shot A put her head to rest.
1154
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:05.639
After the trial, allegations surface that Max told someone weeks
1155
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:09.000
earlier he was going to kill and dismember a woman
1156
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:13.719
he had recently met. That claim came from an informant
1157
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:17.439
tied to search warrants in the case. It was never
1158
01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:22.920
fully tested a trial, but it raises the disturbing possibility
1159
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:27.079
that shah Day may have been targeted from the very beginning.
1160
01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:32.279
Some people close to Shade also believe she initially rejected
1161
01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:36.439
Max at some point he seemed jealous of her friend Josh.
1162
01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:40.159
It's possible the date happened only after she tried to
1163
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:44.119
smooth things over, something many women do when they feel
1164
01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:49.600
pressured or uncomfortable. If that's true, it adds another tragic
1165
01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:53.920
layer to the story, because what may have looked like
1166
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:58.239
an ordinary first date may actually have been the final
1167
01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:03.239
step in a situation that had already turned extremely dangerous
1168
01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:11.079
or worse. If it can get any worse, Maybe, just maybe,
1169
01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:16.439
Shade would have been the first of many unbeknowing women
1170
01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:21.479
to follow in her path, all the way to Warnemont
1171
01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:54.399
Park and all the way to Max's private beach. Well,
1172
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:56.920
we hope that'll keep you satisfied until next week. We
1173
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.239
know it won't, but you know, boy can dream check
1174
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:03.880
out tails and leave us some feedback we'll see you
1175
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:05.920
next week. Stay safe,