Is Dean Alpha or Beta? | Surrounded Follow-Up

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You know,
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there's the,
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he posts the photo of himself as Jesus.
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On Easter look at the policy that
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he's implementing for Christians and for conservatives.
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I'm not,
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I'm not,
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but I'm not,
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but I'm not disagreeing with this,
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but these are big things.
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So
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what does the picture matter?
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There's no rights anybody has lost under Trump that they didn't have before.
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A lot of things that Trump says and does
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is honestly to troll people.
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I think he gets reactions out of people.
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All right,
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um,
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I'm here with Julia Kate from
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Surrounded.
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Welcome to the follow up and thanks for being here.
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Thank you so much for
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pleasure.
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You and I were chatting before this,
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and,
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and you kind of mentioned you don't have
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a large internet presence,
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so you wanted to
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kind of let the listeners know why you were,
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you,
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you,
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you,
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why you're passionate about this topic and,
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and why you wanted to be in,
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in this episode of Surrounded.
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Yeah,
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no,
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thank you so much.
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I appreciate that.
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As we're recording,
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I have 0 posts on Instagram.
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I'm not
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like a super public person.
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I'm very passionate about these topics,
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I guess I kind of wanted to just share like what my
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belief system is,
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I guess if someone's curious to know,
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so like,
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first I'm a Christian.
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I describe myself as like a biblical born again Christian,
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and my political philosophy is more traditional constitutional conservatism,
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but um.
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When people first meet me,
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they usually assume that I'm from the South.
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I was homeschooled.
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I grew up under a rock,
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but I actually was born and raised in LA
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at public schools,
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and I've been surrounded by liberals my whole life,
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many of whom are my dearly loved friends and family.
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It's like a lot of my beliefs have
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come through just critical thinking and firsthand experience.
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What were your impressions just kind of of the episode?
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I have to say it was.
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It was one of the more um kind of fiery ones I've seen in a while.
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I feel like spicy is a good word for it.
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Spicy.
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I,
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I mean,
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I loved it.
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It was exhilarating.
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I think Dean Withers had his handful with all of us ladies coming for him,
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but
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um,
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it was,
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it was an awesome experience,
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I think overall.
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did it make you respect him more?
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Even though I'm sure you disagree with him quite a bit,
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yeah,
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I mean,
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I think that
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like especially just like as a as a Christian,
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as an American,
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I want to respect every single person regardless of what they believe
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and so I wouldn't necessarily say it made me respect him more because I already had
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that respect for him,
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but um.
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I think
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there was a lot of points that I wish that I could have engaged with
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that I just didn't get the chance to because I think there were so many of us.
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So I was hoping maybe I could kind of like talk about some of the things that came up.
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Up until
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the point that you showed up.
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I felt like Dean pretty much had um.
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He was not really on his heels at all.
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I,
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I feel like it wasn't until maybe you start,
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you debated him on this prompt that he,
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uh,
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got some pushback that really,
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um,
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made him use some of his.
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Other debating tactics,
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um,
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which I think was good.
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It showed that you,
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you were bringing up,
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I think,
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some good points.
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And so one of the first things you did bring up was
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just kind of like how men are more inclined to pursue different roles
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than women.
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Men,
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I can't remember how you phrased it,
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but you said,
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you know,
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men seek out,
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more like provisional roles,
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whereas women are more inclined to be caretakers,
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things like that,
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um.
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What have you always felt this way and,
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and
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did you also feel like you were getting Dean on his heels?
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I did because he resorted to calling me crazy and insane,
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which if you know anything about debate,
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that's an ad hominem,
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which is a logical fallacy.
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So I knew,
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I knew he was flustered.
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it was,
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it was a compliment in my book though.
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yeah,
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I mean,
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I think that there have been historical trends between men and women from I,
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I think I mentioned like hunter gatherers,
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but even just to like where you see
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male influencers tend towards or female influencers.
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tend towards.
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in today's society in America,
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we have all the same rights and legal freedoms as men.
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And still there's only 15% of female surgeons like Dean mentioned,
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and 85% are male,
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but it's,
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I don't think that's because of
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some sort of cultural limitation or legal barrier.
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I think it's because we tend to like
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things that are more in line with nurturing,
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caretaking and men.
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tend to like super intense high risk situations,
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but there's obviously exceptions.
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I just think
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the norm is
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there for a reason.
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Uh,
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and you asked if I'd always thought this way.
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I think
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I didn't really
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think about it.
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growing up,
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I sort of just
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thought critically through,
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different things.
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I don't know.
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well,
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I want to kind of,
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so when Dean calls you crazy,
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he's like this girl's crazy.
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I,
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I think it was right after you had said,
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you know,
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we need more alpha males
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you list Donald Trump,
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you list,
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um,
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Spencer Pratt doesn't look like Spencer's gonna.
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Make it as mayor of LA.
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I'm sure that's disappointing for you,
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but he certainly made a splash,
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um,
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but yeah,
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so what,
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what makes.
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What makes a man an alpha male and a good and a good leader in your mind and why,
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why do those guys
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fit that label for you?
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I think for instance with Donald Trump is
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you're never going to make him go cry in the mirror because you called him in.
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He's the kind of man that is gonna
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objectively care about the results of his work.
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I think the left has tried to use all sorts of tactics
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to
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dismantle him or make people fearful or use cancel culture,
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but it doesn't work because he gets the job done.
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He perseveres through that,
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and I think someone like Spencer.
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Who was in was in Hollywood was surrounded by elites,
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yet he still chose to speak out
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and not care about
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breaking
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the glass you know he,
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he wanted to speak out for the truth
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what it means to be a good leader is,
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to be a shield.
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You mentioned Donald Trump,
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you know,
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he perseveres.
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That's
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definitely true.
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I think that's objectively true.
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Everyone would,
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would,
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uh,
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best example
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certainly is.
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The assassination attempt
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and sort of that iconic moment,
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um.
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When he stands up and sort of raises his fist with the blood coming from his ear,
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powerful image.
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I get that.
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But a similarity between Spencer Pratt and Trump
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is that they're both media personalities,
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so they're kind of expert communicators through
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media.
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Something that came up,
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so the next clip I kind of want to refer to.
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So this is kind of building off of this idea
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of like how do you understand a man's character,
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and so Dean's prompt was
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Trump is a sexual predator.
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And he plays a clip
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for Shiva on his phone.
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Do you remember this moment?
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I think I do,
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and I remember being a bit
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dumbfounded because I listened to the thing he played
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and I didn't see it connecting to his point.
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there's a,
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you'll see when you watch the footage,
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there's a,
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you're listening to it and you're kind of shaking your head.
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Would you like me to take it away by explaining to
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you why I think Donald Trump is a misogynistic sexual predator?
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First and foremost,
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he's a sexual predator because the court has held him simply liable
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for being a woman by the name of Eu Jean Carroll.
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being somebody is something that would make a sexual predator.
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In 2005,
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he also boasted about engaging in sexual violence
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by sexually exploiting beauty pageant contestants at the beauty
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pageants that he owned by barging into their
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dressing rooms and looking at their naked bodies.
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And this isn't an allegation from some woman that you
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could defame and say just wants money or fame.
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this was an admittance of guilt,
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something that Donald Trump said he did.
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on Howard Stern's radio show,
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and I see you shaking your head.
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I'll happily play you the clip if you want.
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And we also see,
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please,
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please show me the clip because I do not believe it.
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Yes,
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take it out.
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Don't worry,
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I got it preloaded.
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OK,
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good.
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So,
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so you have done that.
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I'll tell you the funniest is that I'll go backstage before a show,
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and everyone's getting dressed and ready and everything else,
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and you know,
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no men are.
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And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the
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owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it,
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you know,
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I'm inspecting.
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I want to make sure that's good if you're there,
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the dress.
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Is everyone OK?
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You know,
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they standing there with no clothes.
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Is everybody OK?
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And you see these incredible looking women
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and so I sort of get away with things like that.
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Why don't we start there?
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Mike's yours.
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OK.
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He said that he probably sees them.
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I,
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it doesn't say they're naked there,
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so I,
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they might have.
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No,
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it doesn't.
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He said that they have no clothes on.
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When you have no clothes on,
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you're naked.
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So that clip,
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it's kind of Donald Trump bragging about having access to women.
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Uh,
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I think it is a beauty pageant,
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like walking backstage.
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The women are barely dressed or they don't have their clothes on,
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and he's sort of bragging about
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how it's,
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it's cool that he has this access.
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You've also probably heard the,
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the
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notorious tape where he talks about grabbing women by the genitals.
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So,
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you know,
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we know this about Donald Trump's history,
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we kind of know this is an aspect of his
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character.
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There's the
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Stormy Daniels,
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uh,
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kind of scandal.
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So
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it's no secret that Trump has.
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Been an adulterer.
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And has some questionable behavior in in that part of his life.
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What is your opinion
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on Donald Trump based on like what you know to be fully true and not
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hearsay or.
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Alleged.
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Yeah,
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I mean,
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there's definitely a lot of alleged material out there about Trump.
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Unfortunately,
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that's what sticks more in people's minds because
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I think it was even on CNN where they said he
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lost the case and was found to be a rapist,
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but it was actually he lost in
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a defamation case,
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not
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showing that he had committed that crime.
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But then nobody really listens to retractions.
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I
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do not think there is one single perfect person on this earth.
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The only one was Jesus Christ.
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And when electing a president,
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I'm not electing a pastor.
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So it's very different.
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Like if I'm going to be thinking about a brain surgeon,
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I'm not going to be necessarily scrutinizing every part of their life.
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I'm going to scrutinize,
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do they know how to surgically operate upon a brain and have they.
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So
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I'm not here to to justify everything,
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but I also think that
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you cannot find a single person
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with a spotless record,
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um,
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and I look more about what he's done when he's been in office.
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So he wasn't in office during those times,
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and
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I don't,
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I think that if there were
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real actual.
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Evidence to
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put him in prison,
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it would have been done because the left has tried
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every angle to get that man out of office and it hasn't worked because he,
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I don't believe he's guilty
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because in America we are innocent until proven guilty and
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he has not been proven guilty in the queer law.
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Mhm
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Right,
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right.
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But does he strike you as kind of like a?
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A man with with like
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Christ-like character,
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um.
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Cause I,
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yeah,
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I mean.
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I can't think of any president.
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And we didn't,
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we don't know everything about the lives of,
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of past presidents because people used to keep things much more hush-hush,
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but I can't think of a president in modern history who has had as many
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marital.
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Scandals circling them,
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you know,
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and so it's,
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I guess it's just an odd pairing for.
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A president with kind of.
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A sexual history like Trump to be.
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Held up as as a great leader by by Christians.
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It's sort of,
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isn't it an odd fit?
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Well,
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I think we should talk about the facts.
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What has Trump done for Christians?
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I think one of the biggest things he's done
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for Christians and conservatives is he is the one
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who appointed 3 conservative judges to the Supreme Court
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and can be credited for the overturn of Roe v.
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Wade and the Dobbs decision.
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Um,
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what else he has done?
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I'm just going to talk about in his current
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presidency.
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He has,
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um,
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protected
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Christians in the medical field that have been
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forced to choose between their own convictions and their medical licenses.
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You can look,
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there's like a specific act within the HHS that he did recently.
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There's also um
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An initiative he did in college campuses where he with public schools,
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he'll withhold funding if they are discriminating against or Christians.
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Um,
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I mean,
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I could go on and on.
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There's an act where he did for Christian charities.
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So that they're able to get government funding to continue like soup kitchens,
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orphanages,
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like adoption agencies type of things
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that they don't have to
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be stripped of their religious identity,
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which was the case under the Obama
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administration and the HHS.
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So he has not just paid lip service to Christians,
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he's done
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real things,
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um,
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to,
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to benefit us in this country.
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He's also,
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um,
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Yeah,
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he's
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done like
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the national prayer thing.
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I think objectively he is the most pro-life president.
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And so I don't see why a Christian wouldn't support him.
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But
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I think,
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yeah,
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you know,
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there are imperfect people everywhere,
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but I trust Trump and I know that he's someone who will go
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in and fight and isn't going to be fear mongered or bought.
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And I think that he is good in disputes with the Middle East and being able to
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Interact with foreign adversaries
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and to keep us ultimately safe because what matters most to me
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is a safe America for families and I think
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a safe America is one in which we have borders
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and Trump has done a lot to keep,
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for first off,
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he has
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been the president to make the Mexican cartels considered
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a terrorist organization so we can prevent bringing in fentanyl and foreign drugs,
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um,
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which is,
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you know,
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very close to my heart.
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And,
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and I guess that's that would be my next question is.
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Is Donald Trump the best fit for a conservative Christian like you
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in a world where there's just so few options?
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Is that kind of what it is?
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Um,
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I'm gonna keep,
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I'm gonna keep hammering on this.
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I'm sorry,
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but there's just so much,
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there's so much fuel.
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So like Donald Trump posted this,
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this photo.
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Um,
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or it was like an AI generated image of himself,
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basically kind of appearing like Christ,
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and he was,
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um.
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You know,
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laying hands on like kind of a sick man and
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did you see this image that was circulating and I did see this image
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and the thing is like
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Trump
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is blunt.
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He is not a refined polished politician.
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He's not
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all pretty covered in bows and everything he says is like.
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The greatest,
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most prettiest line you've ever heard.
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He is someone that we've known.
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He's used Twitter.
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He does these kinds of things.
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I don't find it offensive,
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but I will say that
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he
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stumbled around it and was apologized after because
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he didn't quite know even what the posts
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reflected.
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Did he apologize?
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He did
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actually,
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and he said that
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he thought it was,
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I think like showing him as a healer,
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as like a medical doctor,
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not as Christ.
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And so was that,
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was that an apology or did he just explain sort of what he thought?
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Well,
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I think what he's saying is that was not my intention.
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And if that was,
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that wouldn't be right.
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But he's saying that's not what I was doing.
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And then he took off the posting.
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Right.
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But then,
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OK,
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I'm just gonna keep going.
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I'm sorry.
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I,
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I think that's what makes Trump is so likable and why he's won because he's,
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he's not
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this like cookie cut,
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um,
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leftist politician,
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I'd say.
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I totally understand why he's likable
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and Julia,
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Kate,
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I,
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I,
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I don't mean to pin you down.
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There's just Trump is,
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he's such a phenomenon.
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There's so much we have to talk about.
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Um,
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my parents are big Trump lovers,
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so this is a conversation I have many times.
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OK,
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so
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I agree with you.
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Trump is charismatic.
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The guy has riz.
571
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The guy gets media.
572
00:16:38.659 --> 00:16:39.619
What I'm trying,
573
00:16:39.940 --> 00:16:42.929
where it becomes a square peg round hole for me though,
574
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is the Christian values thing
575
00:16:45.179 --> 00:16:45.679
because
576
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You know,
577
00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:47.309
there's the,
578
00:16:47.400 --> 00:16:49.640
he posts the photo of himself as Jesus.
579
00:16:50.979 --> 00:16:52.320
On Easter morning at the policy that
580
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he's implementing for Christians and for conservatives.
581
00:16:55.380 --> 00:16:55.679
I'm not,
582
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I'm not,
583
00:16:56.469 --> 00:16:57.080
but I'm not,
584
00:16:57.479 --> 00:16:58.510
but I'm not disagreeing with this,
585
00:16:58.599 --> 00:16:59.619
but these are big things.
586
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So
587
00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:00.799
but then what,
588
00:17:00.809 --> 00:17:02.099
what does the picture matter?
589
00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:03.799
Oh well,
590
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OK,
591
00:17:04.239 --> 00:17:04.880
so let me say,
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so
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he posts an image of himself as,
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as Jesus,
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but I don't think on Easter morning,
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on Easter morning.
597
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I don't was it actually on Easter morning that he posted that?
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No,
599
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no,
600
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no,
601
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no,
602
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this is a separate thing.
603
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Let me just list a few things.
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Well,
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because then it's a conflation because
606
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he's not actually posting himself as Christ if he takes it off and says,
607
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oh,
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I thought that was posting me as a healer,
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as a,
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as a doctor.
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So did you look at that image?
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Was it ambiguous?
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Yeah,
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maybe it was ambiguous.
615
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I'm just saying that
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it's
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anybody
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that hates Trump is going to try to
619
00:17:37.250 --> 00:17:37.890
do anything,
620
00:17:37.969 --> 00:17:39.709
but it doesn't matter when you look at the,
621
00:17:39.719 --> 00:17:40.569
but I'm not trying,
622
00:17:40.800 --> 00:17:42.160
I'm not trying to hate Trump here
623
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because the man,
624
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the man,
625
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the man is um.
626
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I,
627
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I just,
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I haven't had an opportunity to speak to somebody like yourself
629
00:17:51.719 --> 00:17:51.949
and,
630
00:17:52.040 --> 00:17:53.680
and kind of dig into some of these things,
631
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so.
632
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On Easter morning,
633
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he threatens to end an entire civilization.
634
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This is the tweet about Iran.
635
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It was kind of a threat,
636
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but you know,
637
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essentially he was threatening genocide
638
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on Easter morning,
639
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and this
640
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really irritated,
641
00:18:11.790 --> 00:18:11.920
you know,
642
00:18:12.060 --> 00:18:13.260
like Tucker Carlson.
643
00:18:13.339 --> 00:18:14.020
He called this out,
644
00:18:14.130 --> 00:18:14.709
thought it was
645
00:18:14.939 --> 00:18:16.420
incredibly distasteful.
646
00:18:16.699 --> 00:18:18.319
I think he even said it was evil.
647
00:18:19.280 --> 00:18:20.479
Earlier this year,
648
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uh,
649
00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:21.900
one of Donald Trump's
650
00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:24.479
sons posted plans for kind of the,
651
00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:25.560
the Donald Trump,
652
00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:25.949
I think,
653
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National Library,
654
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and it included like an image of
655
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Trump
656
00:18:31.390 --> 00:18:33.959
as in the form of like a golden statue
657
00:18:34.209 --> 00:18:34.469
in,
658
00:18:34.560 --> 00:18:36.699
in one of like the auditoriums in the building.
659
00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:40.459
There's literally a golden statue somewhere on a golf course
660
00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:44.359
that was unveiled earlier this year and Donald Trump called in on the phone and.
661
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And told the,
662
00:18:45.729 --> 00:18:45.839
the,
663
00:18:45.890 --> 00:18:48.089
I think it was like a pastor who was blessing it that,
664
00:18:48.239 --> 00:18:48.369
you know,
665
00:18:48.410 --> 00:18:49.729
he loved the statue and,
666
00:18:49.810 --> 00:18:50.819
and was approving it.
667
00:18:51.329 --> 00:18:52.939
And so can I comment on,
668
00:18:53.040 --> 00:18:53.520
on the point,
669
00:18:53.609 --> 00:18:53.770
but,
670
00:18:53.819 --> 00:18:54.689
but how is,
671
00:18:54.810 --> 00:18:56.329
how are those things not.
672
00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:58.479
Like how does all of that not.
673
00:18:59.540 --> 00:19:01.010
Equate into
674
00:19:01.709 --> 00:19:02.709
idolatry.
675
00:19:04.099 --> 00:19:04.459
OK,
676
00:19:04.630 --> 00:19:06.449
so first off with him saying
677
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what death Tyran,
678
00:19:08.250 --> 00:19:08.739
you said it was
679
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morning.
680
00:19:10.109 --> 00:19:10.209
Well,
681
00:19:10.310 --> 00:19:10.469
the,
682
00:19:10.550 --> 00:19:11.760
the thing is that I've
683
00:19:12.109 --> 00:19:13.349
been chanting death.
684
00:19:14.300 --> 00:19:15.729
Death to American citizens.
685
00:19:16.020 --> 00:19:17.689
And so as a president,
686
00:19:17.780 --> 00:19:19.079
he needs to be strong.
687
00:19:19.140 --> 00:19:20.219
He needs to be alpha.
688
00:19:20.459 --> 00:19:24.079
He needs to actually intimidate other nations to keep us safe.
689
00:19:24.420 --> 00:19:25.439
So all I'm,
690
00:19:25.859 --> 00:19:26.280
I guess,
691
00:19:26.300 --> 00:19:29.319
saying is I'm not saying Trump should turn the other cheek with Iran.
692
00:19:29.420 --> 00:19:30.839
I think there's very legitimate.
693
00:19:31.729 --> 00:19:33.329
Arguments to make that,
694
00:19:33.410 --> 00:19:34.050
um.
695
00:19:35.339 --> 00:19:36.760
Action needed to be taken.
696
00:19:38.300 --> 00:19:39.819
Militarily against Iran
697
00:19:40.060 --> 00:19:42.280
and that they were a threat to our security,
698
00:19:42.380 --> 00:19:42.979
I think that's a,
699
00:19:43.050 --> 00:19:45.439
there's a very valid debate to have there.
700
00:19:46.150 --> 00:19:47.689
I guess the thing I'm saying is.
701
00:19:48.849 --> 00:19:53.510
It's very un-Christian to threaten genocide
702
00:19:53.969 --> 00:19:55.790
on the most sacred
703
00:19:56.459 --> 00:19:57.069
holiday
704
00:19:57.449 --> 00:19:58.280
in the Christian faith,
705
00:19:58.359 --> 00:19:59.050
which is the,
706
00:19:59.209 --> 00:19:59.369
you know,
707
00:19:59.449 --> 00:20:00.790
the day of the resurrection.
708
00:20:01.390 --> 00:20:02.609
I think that's what I'm saying.
709
00:20:02.760 --> 00:20:03.290
OK.
710
00:20:03.560 --> 00:20:04.630
The thing is that
711
00:20:05.660 --> 00:20:07.000
When we take the whole Bible,
712
00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:08.760
there's the Old Testament and the New Testament,
713
00:20:08.869 --> 00:20:12.150
and the God of the New Testament is the same God of the Old Testament.
714
00:20:12.479 --> 00:20:13.540
There's this kind of
715
00:20:14.219 --> 00:20:14.699
idea
716
00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:19.040
that God was of justice in the old and of mercy in the new,
717
00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:21.000
but that's actually not true.
718
00:20:21.260 --> 00:20:21.819
Um,
719
00:20:21.969 --> 00:20:23.949
he is both justice and mercy,
720
00:20:24.250 --> 00:20:24.750
and
721
00:20:25.209 --> 00:20:25.449
my,
722
00:20:25.609 --> 00:20:26.550
the way
723
00:20:26.650 --> 00:20:29.270
that like my Christian worldview plays into this is that
724
00:20:29.569 --> 00:20:31.660
all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
725
00:20:31.729 --> 00:20:32.630
Like we are all
726
00:20:32.810 --> 00:20:33.550
depraved,
727
00:20:33.770 --> 00:20:36.969
and that is like the good news that Jesus came and died for our sins on
728
00:20:36.969 --> 00:20:40.510
the cross so that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.
729
00:20:40.719 --> 00:20:42.010
And so it's that joy,
730
00:20:42.089 --> 00:20:44.670
it's that love that we want to share with with people,
731
00:20:44.959 --> 00:20:45.439
um,
732
00:20:45.770 --> 00:20:46.189
and
733
00:20:46.890 --> 00:20:50.140
there are Very distinct rules in the Bible for
734
00:20:50.339 --> 00:20:52.239
the government and for the individual.
735
00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:53.109
So,
736
00:20:53.439 --> 00:20:54.500
on an individual level,
737
00:20:54.770 --> 00:20:55.199
yes,
738
00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:55.609
you,
739
00:20:55.760 --> 00:20:56.829
you turn the other cheek.
740
00:20:56.939 --> 00:20:57.739
I believe
741
00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:59.199
in capital punishment,
742
00:20:59.479 --> 00:21:01.380
but I do not believe if you commit a
743
00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:02.199
crime against me,
744
00:21:02.260 --> 00:21:03.599
I could capital punishment you.
745
00:21:03.760 --> 00:21:04.890
Like that doesn't work.
746
00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:06.609
It's the government's role,
747
00:21:07.040 --> 00:21:07.449
you know,
748
00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:08.780
to execute.
749
00:21:09.050 --> 00:21:10.410
The church's role does not
750
00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:11.239
have the sword,
751
00:21:11.349 --> 00:21:13.339
it doesn't have the right to execute.
752
00:21:14.579 --> 00:21:14.589
Right,
753
00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:16.890
but is it the government's role to
754
00:21:17.910 --> 00:21:18.500
Tweet
755
00:21:18.910 --> 00:21:19.469
it.
756
00:21:19.750 --> 00:21:22.510
I'm not saying it's not the government's role to um.
757
00:21:23.989 --> 00:21:25.069
Carry out these functions,
758
00:21:25.310 --> 00:21:25.859
I guess it's,
759
00:21:25.869 --> 00:21:28.579
it's the character of the man.
760
00:21:29.609 --> 00:21:34.199
That doesn't seem aligned with Christian values in many ways,
761
00:21:34.410 --> 00:21:34.829
but
762
00:21:35.250 --> 00:21:38.369
it seems like he gets a free pass on all of those things.
763
00:21:38.510 --> 00:21:38.729
No,
764
00:21:38.890 --> 00:21:39.949
if you look at any
765
00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:41.079
leader,
766
00:21:41.300 --> 00:21:43.979
any man that God raised up in the Bible,
767
00:21:44.209 --> 00:21:45.650
you can look at the Old Testament
768
00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:47.439
and you see men like Samson,
769
00:21:47.489 --> 00:21:48.489
you see men like David,
770
00:21:48.530 --> 00:21:49.709
you see men like Solomon.
771
00:21:49.969 --> 00:21:51.390
All of these men were in.
772
00:21:51.584 --> 00:21:52.574
In incredibly flawed.
773
00:21:52.864 --> 00:21:54.385
And then you go to the New Testament,
774
00:21:54.425 --> 00:21:57.444
we have the book of Hebrews where there's this hall of faith where
775
00:21:57.625 --> 00:21:59.645
it mentions all these people
776
00:21:59.824 --> 00:22:02.425
in the past and how God did incredible things through them.
777
00:22:02.625 --> 00:22:05.305
But all of them had serious issues.
778
00:22:05.625 --> 00:22:06.564
So David
779
00:22:06.824 --> 00:22:08.125
committed adultery
780
00:22:08.704 --> 00:22:10.895
with one of his really good friend's wife,
781
00:22:11.074 --> 00:22:12.584
and then he killed the man.
782
00:22:13.270 --> 00:22:15.150
But he was sent to the front lines,
783
00:22:15.189 --> 00:22:15.439
right?
784
00:22:15.869 --> 00:22:17.540
He was still and he,
785
00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:18.219
he had him murdered.
786
00:22:18.310 --> 00:22:19.209
So he was,
787
00:22:19.790 --> 00:22:19.939
he,
788
00:22:19.989 --> 00:22:21.130
he repented of that,
789
00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:24.229
and he's still a man after God's own heart who who did great things.
790
00:22:24.349 --> 00:22:25.619
But if we look at Solomon,
791
00:22:25.949 --> 00:22:29.069
who was someone who asked for wisdom and was very blessed,
792
00:22:29.150 --> 00:22:29.770
but then
793
00:22:30.270 --> 00:22:31.099
went to,
794
00:22:31.500 --> 00:22:31.900
you know,
795
00:22:32.069 --> 00:22:33.550
insane polygamy,
796
00:22:33.670 --> 00:22:34.410
he had like
797
00:22:34.630 --> 00:22:36.930
hundreds of wives and concubines,
798
00:22:37.270 --> 00:22:37.949
and they turned his heart.
799
00:22:38.310 --> 00:22:39.130
away from God.
800
00:22:39.770 --> 00:22:40.469
He's not
801
00:22:40.890 --> 00:22:43.010
like none of these people are picture perfect,
802
00:22:43.020 --> 00:22:43.849
and that's the point.
803
00:22:44.010 --> 00:22:46.030
Even Donald Trump is not picture perfect,
804
00:22:46.250 --> 00:22:48.520
but it all points to who the perfect one is,
805
00:22:48.530 --> 00:22:49.239
and that's Jesus,
806
00:22:49.250 --> 00:22:49.869
and that's why
807
00:22:50.290 --> 00:22:50.729
we need him.
808
00:22:50.810 --> 00:22:51.439
So no,
809
00:22:51.890 --> 00:22:53.130
nobody gets a free pass.
810
00:22:53.209 --> 00:22:56.530
We will all have to give account for everything that we did before God.
811
00:22:57.020 --> 00:22:57.430
But
812
00:22:57.670 --> 00:22:59.670
he has done incredible things.
813
00:22:59.910 --> 00:23:00.989
He fights for this country.
814
00:23:01.040 --> 00:23:02.869
He's he's taken bullets for us.
815
00:23:02.910 --> 00:23:04.449
He's not let anything stop him.
816
00:23:04.709 --> 00:23:05.829
And I think that
817
00:23:06.390 --> 00:23:06.709
instead of,
818
00:23:06.829 --> 00:23:06.989
you know,
819
00:23:07.109 --> 00:23:09.189
making a joke out of him and being ungrateful,
820
00:23:09.300 --> 00:23:10.329
we should talk about
821
00:23:10.550 --> 00:23:13.469
the ways in which he has kept this country great and has
822
00:23:14.030 --> 00:23:17.530
taken us out of a lot of things that the Biden administration did to harm us.
823
00:23:19.329 --> 00:23:20.270
That was
824
00:23:20.569 --> 00:23:21.349
pretty convincing.
825
00:23:21.489 --> 00:23:22.089
Um,
826
00:23:22.410 --> 00:23:23.290
so I'll,
827
00:23:23.650 --> 00:23:23.849
uh,
828
00:23:24.010 --> 00:23:24.170
we could,
829
00:23:24.250 --> 00:23:24.880
we could end there.
830
00:23:24.930 --> 00:23:27.150
I think I've shown a little bit too much of my,
831
00:23:27.170 --> 00:23:27.609
uh,
832
00:23:28.619 --> 00:23:31.020
My history as a Catholic schoolboy and cause
833
00:23:31.020 --> 00:23:32.680
we went down that rabbit hole pretty far.
834
00:23:32.979 --> 00:23:33.099
Well,
835
00:23:33.300 --> 00:23:33.859
Julia Kate,
836
00:23:33.979 --> 00:23:34.099
uh,
837
00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:34.969
this is really fun.
838
00:23:35.140 --> 00:23:35.750
Thank you so much.
839
00:23:35.849 --> 00:23:36.880
Thank you for letting me,
840
00:23:36.900 --> 00:23:37.170
uh,
841
00:23:37.180 --> 00:23:38.160
push back on you.
842
00:23:39.239 --> 00:23:40.380
Great job in
843
00:23:40.520 --> 00:23:41.989
the episode of Surrounded.
844
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.500
I hope you enjoy watching the full thing when it comes out,
845
00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:46.119
um,
846
00:23:46.199 --> 00:23:46.920
and hopefully we'll,
847
00:23:46.979 --> 00:23:48.199
we'll cross paths again soon,
848
00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:49.579
maybe in another episode.
849
00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:50.800
Thank you so much.
850
00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:51.189
Thank you.
851
00:23:51.239 --> 00:23:52.800
Like you are a wonderful moderator.
852
00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:54.339
I appreciate you and
853
00:23:54.489 --> 00:23:56.619
thank you for bringing these dialogues to life and
854
00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:58.479
allowing me the honor to speak with you today.
855
00:23:58.599 --> 00:23:59.180
Appreciate it.
856
00:23:59.760 --> 00:24:01.119
I'm here with Laurie.
857
00:24:01.439 --> 00:24:01.680
Laurie,
858
00:24:01.760 --> 00:24:03.479
you are a Jubilee All-Star.
859
00:24:03.520 --> 00:24:04.329
You've been in many,
860
00:24:04.439 --> 00:24:05.310
many videos,
861
00:24:05.479 --> 00:24:05.589
uh,
862
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:08.180
but welcome to the surrounded follow-up.
863
00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:10.750
I'm so excited to be here with you,
864
00:24:10.760 --> 00:24:13.780
and the one thing I will say about the Jubilee team,
865
00:24:14.479 --> 00:24:16.500
you are the ultimate professionals.
866
00:24:16.660 --> 00:24:17.619
You are kind,
867
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:20.469
you are wonderful to work with,
868
00:24:20.479 --> 00:24:24.420
and I honestly am honored every time I'm asked to be on an episode.
869
00:24:25.459 --> 00:24:25.589
Oh,
870
00:24:25.630 --> 00:24:25.709
well,
871
00:24:25.750 --> 00:24:26.349
that's so nice.
872
00:24:26.430 --> 00:24:28.089
You know how to butter us up.
873
00:24:28.550 --> 00:24:28.630
No,
874
00:24:28.709 --> 00:24:29.780
but it's true.
875
00:24:29.949 --> 00:24:30.790
It's true.
876
00:24:30.949 --> 00:24:31.469
Um,
877
00:24:32.150 --> 00:24:34.410
I've been on other podcasts and stuff where
878
00:24:35.229 --> 00:24:36.790
things are a little bit more hectic.
879
00:24:36.869 --> 00:24:38.530
You hear things in the background,
880
00:24:39.349 --> 00:24:42.530
but your show treats everybody with respect,
881
00:24:42.829 --> 00:24:44.510
and I think that that's very,
882
00:24:44.550 --> 00:24:45.689
very valuable.
883
00:24:46.540 --> 00:24:46.550
Hm,
884
00:24:46.670 --> 00:24:46.750
well,
885
00:24:46.829 --> 00:24:47.069
thank you.
886
00:24:47.150 --> 00:24:47.390
I mean,
887
00:24:47.430 --> 00:24:48.010
that's
888
00:24:48.349 --> 00:24:49.640
certainly the goal,
889
00:24:49.949 --> 00:24:50.689
and
890
00:24:51.150 --> 00:24:51.680
I mean,
891
00:24:51.869 --> 00:24:54.589
I've seen you in so many episodes,
892
00:24:54.709 --> 00:24:55.239
so I
893
00:24:55.660 --> 00:24:55.849
I,
894
00:24:55.939 --> 00:24:58.260
it would be hard to kind of go down the list,
895
00:24:58.420 --> 00:24:59.170
but
896
00:24:59.380 --> 00:25:01.579
this was probably one of the more.
897
00:25:02.589 --> 00:25:03.550
Contentious ones,
898
00:25:03.589 --> 00:25:04.130
at least,
899
00:25:04.150 --> 00:25:04.969
uh,
900
00:25:05.589 --> 00:25:07.229
just because Dean,
901
00:25:07.390 --> 00:25:08.319
he has a,
902
00:25:08.510 --> 00:25:10.569
a firm style of debate
903
00:25:11.069 --> 00:25:11.689
and
904
00:25:11.819 --> 00:25:14.160
the differences between his opinions and,
905
00:25:14.260 --> 00:25:15.599
and you and the other women was,
906
00:25:15.670 --> 00:25:16.209
was,
907
00:25:16.630 --> 00:25:17.640
was significant.
908
00:25:17.819 --> 00:25:20.609
And so it was interesting to see you guys go head to head.
909
00:25:20.699 --> 00:25:22.140
Is that how you experienced it?
910
00:25:22.510 --> 00:25:22.709
Well,
911
00:25:22.790 --> 00:25:23.209
for me,
912
00:25:23.270 --> 00:25:26.089
this is the 2nd time Dean and I have faced off.
913
00:25:26.949 --> 00:25:29.050
And the thing about Dean is he's an,
914
00:25:29.310 --> 00:25:30.650
he's an intelligent kid.
915
00:25:30.729 --> 00:25:32.209
You can't say that he's not.
916
00:25:32.560 --> 00:25:32.569
He
917
00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.270
is really good at memorizing the stats that he wants to,
918
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:39.939
but I think what is lacking
919
00:25:40.189 --> 00:25:41.459
is life experience.
920
00:25:41.520 --> 00:25:41.800
I mean,
921
00:25:41.900 --> 00:25:42.380
he's
922
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:44.380
21 years old
923
00:25:44.719 --> 00:25:49.260
and really his background is he's a social media influencer.
924
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:53.109
So he hasn't really had a chance to see the life that we have.
925
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:54.500
If you even go back
926
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:57.369
to when President Trump was first elected,
927
00:25:57.839 --> 00:25:59.500
Dean was 11 years old.
928
00:26:00.550 --> 00:26:01.050
Mhm.
929
00:26:01.219 --> 00:26:02.339
Don't think about that.
930
00:26:02.500 --> 00:26:02.959
So,
931
00:26:03.310 --> 00:26:06.010
he gets a lot from his side of the aisle,
932
00:26:06.459 --> 00:26:08.160
but I don't think he's always
933
00:26:08.849 --> 00:26:10.099
completely an honest debater,
934
00:26:10.140 --> 00:26:12.010
and there was a part of the episode,
935
00:26:12.300 --> 00:26:14.719
and I just couldn't help myself because
936
00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:16.780
he would spew out what he did,
937
00:26:16.900 --> 00:26:19.650
but then he'd look at the camera and he'd make faces,
938
00:26:19.660 --> 00:26:20.079
and
939
00:26:22.869 --> 00:26:23.910
he was doing the camera he played the camera,
940
00:26:23.939 --> 00:26:25.540
and so at one point I was so like,
941
00:26:25.660 --> 00:26:26.780
this is stupid.
942
00:26:27.229 --> 00:26:27.469
I,
943
00:26:27.589 --> 00:26:32.030
I very harshly exaggerated what he was doing.
944
00:26:32.349 --> 00:26:34.530
I don't know if it'll be in the episode,
945
00:26:35.109 --> 00:26:35.579
but,
946
00:26:35.709 --> 00:26:36.329
you know,
947
00:26:36.510 --> 00:26:38.660
I think that if it came down to it,
948
00:26:38.670 --> 00:26:39.609
and I actually
949
00:26:39.939 --> 00:26:43.089
sat down and found out who he was as a person
950
00:26:43.670 --> 00:26:47.109
and why he takes the views that he does,
951
00:26:47.709 --> 00:26:49.500
we might find a little middle ground,
952
00:26:49.589 --> 00:26:50.550
but I think with Dean,
953
00:26:50.609 --> 00:26:51.890
he's always trying
954
00:26:52.189 --> 00:26:53.069
to win
955
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:55.140
instead of having a conversation.
956
00:26:55.859 --> 00:26:57.449
To see what we could agree on.
957
00:26:58.839 --> 00:26:59.400
Yeah,
958
00:26:59.560 --> 00:26:59.800
I mean,
959
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:00.939
I think he is,
960
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:02.579
he is kind of a new,
961
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:03.339
um.
962
00:27:04.369 --> 00:27:07.670
Part of a new cohort in his generation that is sort of.
963
00:27:08.510 --> 00:27:09.599
Aggressive
964
00:27:10.500 --> 00:27:11.969
liberal debate bros,
965
00:27:12.219 --> 00:27:13.109
um,
966
00:27:13.420 --> 00:27:17.420
although I would argue that that genre of media was.
967
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.020
Probably perfected by the conservative movement,
968
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:22.459
um,
969
00:27:22.469 --> 00:27:23.599
over the last decade,
970
00:27:23.760 --> 00:27:24.000
you know,
971
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:24.579
I think
972
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:29.040
if we just think of Charlie Kirk as sort of the figurehead of that movement,
973
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:29.640
you know,
974
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:30.150
I,
975
00:27:30.959 --> 00:27:32.280
or Steven Crowder,
976
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:33.410
I kind of see it as,
977
00:27:33.469 --> 00:27:34.020
as,
978
00:27:34.239 --> 00:27:34.979
um,
979
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:37.560
something that conservatives did really well,
980
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:39.400
showing up to college campuses,
981
00:27:39.479 --> 00:27:41.739
making people look kind of stupid and
982
00:27:42.060 --> 00:27:42.469
And,
983
00:27:42.479 --> 00:27:42.829
uh,
984
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:43.000
you know,
985
00:27:43.109 --> 00:27:43.760
going for those,
986
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:45.400
those viral digs
987
00:27:45.800 --> 00:27:46.619
and I see
988
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:47.579
Dean is sort of
989
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:49.280
carrying on that tradition a little bit.
990
00:27:49.869 --> 00:27:50.000
Do you agree,
991
00:27:50.800 --> 00:27:51.829
at the same time,
992
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:53.329
I was friends with Charlie.
993
00:27:53.479 --> 00:27:53.829
Um,
994
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:55.780
Charlie came to my church when
995
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:59.500
one of the last times I ever saw Charlie was I was leaving
996
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:02.060
an episode of Surrounded with Dean
997
00:28:02.410 --> 00:28:04.510
and Charlie was coming in to film his
998
00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:05.319
episode,
999
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:06.020
which is
1000
00:28:06.439 --> 00:28:07.969
why the next time I did Surrounded,
1001
00:28:08.020 --> 00:28:09.619
I got really choked up.
1002
00:28:09.849 --> 00:28:09.859
Um,
1003
00:28:11.209 --> 00:28:16.550
Charlie had a firm conviction of what he regarded as truth.
1004
00:28:17.089 --> 00:28:20.930
And what we saw happening in a lot of the universities and even the
1005
00:28:21.170 --> 00:28:22.189
high schools
1006
00:28:22.670 --> 00:28:25.189
was a definite left-wing push
1007
00:28:25.290 --> 00:28:26.270
on our kids,
1008
00:28:26.369 --> 00:28:26.910
where
1009
00:28:27.290 --> 00:28:30.250
if you tried to argue a conservative point of view,
1010
00:28:30.329 --> 00:28:32.989
you would be downgraded a lot of the times.
1011
00:28:33.449 --> 00:28:35.109
I can tell you for my life,
1012
00:28:35.689 --> 00:28:37.939
I was a complete professional woman.
1013
00:28:38.310 --> 00:28:39.780
And I found out my,
1014
00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:40.359
my son,
1015
00:28:40.369 --> 00:28:42.609
who's now going into the Secret Service,
1016
00:28:43.130 --> 00:28:45.410
was taught about sex toys in school.
1017
00:28:45.770 --> 00:28:46.569
As a parent,
1018
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:48.270
I had a problem with that,
1019
00:28:48.650 --> 00:28:50.510
and Charlie kind of stood
1020
00:28:51.089 --> 00:28:52.800
for what he believed in.
1021
00:28:53.010 --> 00:28:55.510
He was always respectful to people,
1022
00:28:55.770 --> 00:28:58.530
and he always took the disagreeers to the front of the line.
1023
00:28:58.609 --> 00:29:00.189
He wanted to hear them out,
1024
00:29:00.609 --> 00:29:02.390
but I don't think I ever
1025
00:29:02.650 --> 00:29:06.060
heard Charlie be completely disrespectful to someone.
1026
00:29:06.540 --> 00:29:08.250
Or tear them down.
1027
00:29:08.589 --> 00:29:08.790
Yeah,
1028
00:29:08.869 --> 00:29:11.849
at times he would maybe mock or say something,
1029
00:29:12.109 --> 00:29:13.569
but I think all in all,
1030
00:29:14.189 --> 00:29:14.969
Charlie
1031
00:29:15.229 --> 00:29:17.530
stood firmly in his Christian faith,
1032
00:29:17.829 --> 00:29:18.410
and
1033
00:29:18.589 --> 00:29:20.750
he fought for what he believed in
1034
00:29:21.390 --> 00:29:24.229
instead of kind of this mob rule that wanted to get to the front of
1035
00:29:24.229 --> 00:29:27.489
the line so they could prove that he was right and they were wrong.
1036
00:29:27.790 --> 00:29:29.650
I think Charlie had a respect
1037
00:29:30.189 --> 00:29:32.170
for everybody because he believed
1038
00:29:32.589 --> 00:29:34.219
where conversation ends,
1039
00:29:34.430 --> 00:29:35.890
violence would begin.
1040
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:37.609
And what happened,
1041
00:29:38.469 --> 00:29:38.880
right,
1042
00:29:39.109 --> 00:29:39.189
yeah,
1043
00:29:39.310 --> 00:29:43.170
and those those words from him obviously ring uh truer
1044
00:29:43.550 --> 00:29:44.569
now than ever,
1045
00:29:45.030 --> 00:29:46.329
and I agree with you,
1046
00:29:46.390 --> 00:29:47.650
the line between
1047
00:29:48.589 --> 00:29:51.310
provocation and confrontation and disrespect is,
1048
00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:52.650
is a little fuzzy,
1049
00:29:52.670 --> 00:29:53.209
and
1050
00:29:53.750 --> 00:29:55.089
if you go back through
1051
00:29:55.550 --> 00:29:57.689
the majority of Charlie Kirk's career,
1052
00:29:58.020 --> 00:29:58.550
um,
1053
00:29:58.750 --> 00:29:59.069
he,
1054
00:29:59.189 --> 00:30:01.369
he was definitely interested in
1055
00:30:01.510 --> 00:30:02.130
persuasion,
1056
00:30:02.150 --> 00:30:03.290
and that was his goal,
1057
00:30:03.550 --> 00:30:03.939
um,
1058
00:30:04.189 --> 00:30:05.489
not so much humiliation.
1059
00:30:06.099 --> 00:30:06.449
Um,
1060
00:30:06.530 --> 00:30:08.630
and there were certainly a lot of clips that were,
1061
00:30:09.329 --> 00:30:10.040
um,
1062
00:30:10.569 --> 00:30:11.869
completely misrepresenting,
1063
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:12.170
uh,
1064
00:30:12.290 --> 00:30:12.550
him
1065
00:30:12.770 --> 00:30:13.790
that circulated,
1066
00:30:13.800 --> 00:30:14.109
uh,
1067
00:30:14.369 --> 00:30:15.689
to kind of characterize him as,
1068
00:30:15.760 --> 00:30:16.959
as more malicious,
1069
00:30:17.010 --> 00:30:17.319
I think,
1070
00:30:17.329 --> 00:30:17.969
than he was.
1071
00:30:18.239 --> 00:30:18.339
Well,
1072
00:30:18.689 --> 00:30:19.650
he certainly had,
1073
00:30:20.089 --> 00:30:21.430
he certainly said some,
1074
00:30:21.770 --> 00:30:22.719
some spicy things.
1075
00:30:22.770 --> 00:30:23.479
I think like the,
1076
00:30:23.530 --> 00:30:25.829
the one that sticks out to me the most was maybe,
1077
00:30:26.729 --> 00:30:27.369
I can't remember,
1078
00:30:27.969 --> 00:30:28.770
he said
1079
00:30:29.089 --> 00:30:29.670
something
1080
00:30:29.930 --> 00:30:30.969
Joe Biden did was,
1081
00:30:31.010 --> 00:30:32.339
was treasonous or,
1082
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:32.430
or,
1083
00:30:32.439 --> 00:30:33.400
or something like that,
1084
00:30:33.449 --> 00:30:33.890
um.
1085
00:30:34.609 --> 00:30:34.890
So,
1086
00:30:35.209 --> 00:30:35.410
I,
1087
00:30:35.530 --> 00:30:35.709
I,
1088
00:30:35.780 --> 00:30:37.130
I can't defend everything he said.
1089
00:30:37.209 --> 00:30:37.609
I think he,
1090
00:30:37.650 --> 00:30:37.810
he,
1091
00:30:37.890 --> 00:30:38.689
he crossed the line,
1092
00:30:38.760 --> 00:30:39.750
but I agree with you
1093
00:30:40.209 --> 00:30:42.229
that wasn't something he was always doing.
1094
00:30:42.810 --> 00:30:43.010
Yeah,
1095
00:30:43.170 --> 00:30:43.520
well,
1096
00:30:43.810 --> 00:30:44.369
for instance,
1097
00:30:44.449 --> 00:30:45.709
the trans issue.
1098
00:30:45.810 --> 00:30:47.969
I remember there was a student that asked him,
1099
00:30:48.050 --> 00:30:49.829
why do you hate trans people?
1100
00:30:50.170 --> 00:30:50.800
And he said,
1101
00:30:50.969 --> 00:30:52.510
how can I hate that which
1102
00:30:52.930 --> 00:30:53.670
I love?
1103
00:30:54.410 --> 00:30:57.109
And I don't think in his heart of hearts
1104
00:30:57.410 --> 00:30:59.750
he had ill intent toward anybody.
1105
00:31:00.089 --> 00:31:01.750
He wanted the best for
1106
00:31:01.890 --> 00:31:02.589
people.
1107
00:31:03.770 --> 00:31:09.180
In his way that he thought would be best for mankind in other people's lives.
1108
00:31:09.459 --> 00:31:10.250
I think that
1109
00:31:10.540 --> 00:31:11.689
him being a Christian,
1110
00:31:12.020 --> 00:31:13.819
him seeing sin in people's lives,
1111
00:31:13.859 --> 00:31:14.439
and let's
1112
00:31:14.859 --> 00:31:15.219
face it,
1113
00:31:15.329 --> 00:31:16.359
we all fall short.
1114
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.680
He wanted to bring people to a place where.
1115
00:31:21.469 --> 00:31:21.989
You know,
1116
00:31:22.270 --> 00:31:23.609
they had faith and
1117
00:31:23.949 --> 00:31:25.729
looked at things that were beautiful
1118
00:31:26.069 --> 00:31:26.660
in life,
1119
00:31:26.670 --> 00:31:27.189
and
1120
00:31:27.430 --> 00:31:32.199
I think he really wanted to cut through the dissension and the division,
1121
00:31:32.630 --> 00:31:33.229
and
1122
00:31:33.510 --> 00:31:35.270
I think he did a good job at that,
1123
00:31:35.410 --> 00:31:35.829
but
1124
00:31:36.469 --> 00:31:39.239
I think what is so harmful is the rhetoric,
1125
00:31:39.349 --> 00:31:39.560
you know,
1126
00:31:39.670 --> 00:31:44.520
when you go around and you call conservatives Nazis or white supremacists,
1127
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:46.400
you're basically making
1128
00:31:46.609 --> 00:31:47.920
them unhuman
1129
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:48.900
when we all,
1130
00:31:48.959 --> 00:31:49.540
I think,
1131
00:31:49.800 --> 00:31:50.619
left or right,
1132
00:31:51.479 --> 00:31:54.640
can find common goals in what we want for our families,
1133
00:31:54.719 --> 00:31:56.140
but how we get there
1134
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:58.390
may be two different ways,
1135
00:31:58.479 --> 00:31:58.680
you know,
1136
00:31:58.800 --> 00:32:00.500
we're all human beings
1137
00:32:00.800 --> 00:32:03.939
and we all should have the same rights as everybody else,
1138
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:05.060
so.
1139
00:32:05.569 --> 00:32:05.579
It,
1140
00:32:06.410 --> 00:32:08.829
when you start putting people into boxes,
1141
00:32:09.719 --> 00:32:09.959
uh,
1142
00:32:10.089 --> 00:32:13.849
whether it be race or sexual sexual orientation,
1143
00:32:14.449 --> 00:32:15.989
that creates division.
1144
00:32:16.810 --> 00:32:17.290
So,
1145
00:32:17.380 --> 00:32:19.609
if we could get back to the middle
1146
00:32:19.890 --> 00:32:22.290
where we just respect each other and let
1147
00:32:22.650 --> 00:32:25.250
everybody live our lives the way we want to without
1148
00:32:25.250 --> 00:32:27.430
saying you need to believe the way I do,
1149
00:32:27.770 --> 00:32:29.359
or you're a bad person,
1150
00:32:29.530 --> 00:32:31.069
I think we'd get a lot further.
1151
00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:32.140
Yeah,
1152
00:32:32.420 --> 00:32:32.540
well,
1153
00:32:32.619 --> 00:32:34.219
and I spoke to Julia Kate,
1154
00:32:34.229 --> 00:32:34.500
and,
1155
00:32:34.609 --> 00:32:35.479
and she really
1156
00:32:35.800 --> 00:32:39.119
opened up about how her faith really informs her stance,
1157
00:32:39.380 --> 00:32:39.579
um,
1158
00:32:39.699 --> 00:32:40.780
on a lot of these issues,
1159
00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:41.540
and I know you,
1160
00:32:41.619 --> 00:32:43.359
I think you said you are a Christian,
1161
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:44.380
um,
1162
00:32:45.140 --> 00:32:45.729
but there is,
1163
00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:46.219
and I,
1164
00:32:46.339 --> 00:32:46.420
you know,
1165
00:32:46.459 --> 00:32:48.439
I brought up Michael Knowles because he said,
1166
00:32:48.609 --> 00:32:48.739
you know,
1167
00:32:48.900 --> 00:32:49.640
he has pretty
1168
00:32:50.739 --> 00:32:51.180
extreme views,
1169
00:32:51.219 --> 00:32:51.770
I would say,
1170
00:32:51.780 --> 00:32:52.219
on,
1171
00:32:52.300 --> 00:32:52.569
um,
1172
00:32:52.579 --> 00:32:53.819
LGBTQ issues,
1173
00:32:53.900 --> 00:32:54.400
not just,
1174
00:32:54.459 --> 00:32:54.729
uh,
1175
00:32:54.739 --> 00:32:55.800
transgender,
1176
00:32:56.260 --> 00:32:56.680
um.
1177
00:32:57.660 --> 00:32:57.939
People,
1178
00:32:58.020 --> 00:32:59.819
but also I think he's part of a
1179
00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:02.920
movement to overthrow the marriage equality decision,
1180
00:33:03.209 --> 00:33:03.859
um,
1181
00:33:04.339 --> 00:33:04.829
and so he,
1182
00:33:04.900 --> 00:33:05.680
he's not
1183
00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:06.619
in favor of,
1184
00:33:06.689 --> 00:33:08.180
of gay people being able to,
1185
00:33:08.329 --> 00:33:08.689
to marry,
1186
00:33:08.739 --> 00:33:10.069
but then I hear you saying
1187
00:33:10.810 --> 00:33:12.130
My favorite movie is Bird King.
1188
00:33:12.290 --> 00:33:12.790
The Bird King.
1189
00:33:12.800 --> 00:33:13.630
I love that movie.
1190
00:33:13.930 --> 00:33:14.719
I love it,
1191
00:33:16.500 --> 00:33:16.510
yeah,
1192
00:33:16.520 --> 00:33:16.890
and dust.
1193
00:33:17.489 --> 00:33:18.229
And so,
1194
00:33:18.290 --> 00:33:18.449
you know,
1195
00:33:18.489 --> 00:33:20.930
I think when people watch our shows and see you,
1196
00:33:21.050 --> 00:33:21.930
your appearances,
1197
00:33:22.010 --> 00:33:24.280
they probably lump you into this like
1198
00:33:24.569 --> 00:33:25.310
very
1199
00:33:25.849 --> 00:33:27.750
far right conservative
1200
00:33:28.089 --> 00:33:28.510
group,
1201
00:33:28.650 --> 00:33:29.849
but then when you and I talk,
1202
00:33:29.930 --> 00:33:30.349
I see.
1203
00:33:31.209 --> 00:33:33.069
I hear different views coming out.
1204
00:33:33.569 --> 00:33:34.270
Do you worry
1205
00:33:34.589 --> 00:33:36.670
about that faction of the right,
1206
00:33:36.770 --> 00:33:36.930
you know,
1207
00:33:37.050 --> 00:33:37.989
this may be more.
1208
00:33:39.050 --> 00:33:40.550
Christian nationalist,
1209
00:33:40.650 --> 00:33:41.329
um.
1210
00:33:42.689 --> 00:33:45.709
Vein of conservatism that wants to
1211
00:33:46.130 --> 00:33:47.910
really police sexuality
1212
00:33:48.209 --> 00:33:49.650
um of adults and,
1213
00:33:49.729 --> 00:33:50.050
and,
1214
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.030
and remove marriage equality.
1215
00:33:52.489 --> 00:33:52.680
Do you,
1216
00:33:52.890 --> 00:33:54.150
do you worry about that?
1217
00:33:55.810 --> 00:33:56.579
I,
1218
00:33:57.050 --> 00:33:58.160
I really don't,
1219
00:33:58.280 --> 00:33:59.449
and I'll tell you why.
1220
00:34:01.430 --> 00:34:03.770
I think that first of all,
1221
00:34:04.579 --> 00:34:04.589
It,
1222
00:34:04.739 --> 00:34:04.979
it,
1223
00:34:05.260 --> 00:34:08.820
it's pretty laid in stone for me as a Christian.
1224
00:34:08.899 --> 00:34:11.159
I can only speak for myself.
1225
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.638
I don't believe that one person is more righteous than another.
1226
00:34:15.759 --> 00:34:17.717
I don't believe that.
1227
00:34:19.748 --> 00:34:21.638
If somebody is on,
1228
00:34:21.799 --> 00:34:21.918
I,
1229
00:34:21.998 --> 00:34:23.819
I just think we all have individual
1230
00:34:23.998 --> 00:34:24.759
paths.
1231
00:34:25.208 --> 00:34:25.319
Now,
1232
00:34:25.398 --> 00:34:26.638
am I worried about them?
1233
00:34:26.799 --> 00:34:26.938
No,
1234
00:34:26.998 --> 00:34:27.628
I'm not,
1235
00:34:27.918 --> 00:34:31.059
because just like we were talking about with
1236
00:34:31.478 --> 00:34:36.178
the far extreme left wanting to give kids sex changes,
1237
00:34:36.638 --> 00:34:37.739
I think that.
1238
00:34:38.750 --> 00:34:41.600
They're trying to put forward a moral compass,
1239
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:43.899
but to enforce that on somebody,
1240
00:34:44.438 --> 00:34:45.360
it's not real.
1241
00:34:45.478 --> 00:34:46.820
People need to
1242
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:49.469
live their lives from their hearts,
1243
00:34:49.600 --> 00:34:49.760
uh,
1244
00:34:49.879 --> 00:34:51.139
from their minds.
1245
00:34:51.399 --> 00:34:54.520
I don't think that gay marriage is at risk.
1246
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:55.560
I really don't.
1247
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:55.840
I mean,
1248
00:34:55.918 --> 00:34:57.360
I have a lot of friends and.
1249
00:34:57.729 --> 00:34:59.409
The log cabin Republicans,
1250
00:34:59.489 --> 00:35:00.929
which are the gay Republicans,
1251
00:35:01.250 --> 00:35:01.969
great guys,
1252
00:35:02.330 --> 00:35:04.790
throw the best parties at the convention.
1253
00:35:05.449 --> 00:35:06.020
And,
1254
00:35:06.169 --> 00:35:06.560
you know,
1255
00:35:06.810 --> 00:35:07.570
my son,
1256
00:35:07.709 --> 00:35:07.929
um,
1257
00:35:08.010 --> 00:35:09.669
who's gonna be a Secret Service agent,
1258
00:35:09.729 --> 00:35:10.550
is gay.
1259
00:35:11.530 --> 00:35:11.969
And,
1260
00:35:12.010 --> 00:35:12.250
you know,
1261
00:35:12.379 --> 00:35:12.729
for me,
1262
00:35:12.820 --> 00:35:16.070
I just want him to find love and fulfillment in his life.
1263
00:35:16.929 --> 00:35:17.590
So,
1264
00:35:18.250 --> 00:35:19.459
I don't think that,
1265
00:35:19.929 --> 00:35:20.649
for instance,
1266
00:35:20.729 --> 00:35:21.689
if you want to say,
1267
00:35:21.770 --> 00:35:21.929
well,
1268
00:35:22.010 --> 00:35:23.330
it's sexually immoral,
1269
00:35:23.429 --> 00:35:23.570
well,
1270
00:35:23.649 --> 00:35:27.209
it's no more sexually immoral than me being a single woman.
1271
00:35:28.040 --> 00:35:29.000
And
1272
00:35:29.600 --> 00:35:30.679
being promiscuous.
1273
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:31.040
I mean,
1274
00:35:31.090 --> 00:35:32.179
in reality,
1275
00:35:32.560 --> 00:35:35.729
I just don't think it's right for us to
1276
00:35:37.429 --> 00:35:38.500
Enforce
1277
00:35:38.959 --> 00:35:39.959
our beliefs on somebody.
1278
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:41.719
I'm a Christian and I love our country,
1279
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:43.959
so if that makes me a Christian nationalist,
1280
00:35:44.449 --> 00:35:45.040
great,
1281
00:35:45.399 --> 00:35:49.459
but I do not believe that anybody should enforce their will
1282
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:50.520
on anybody.
1283
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:52.040
They have their own journey.
1284
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:52.760
They,
1285
00:35:52.879 --> 00:35:54.659
they have their own path with God.
1286
00:35:54.959 --> 00:35:56.739
God's gonna meet them where they're at.
1287
00:35:57.419 --> 00:35:57.659
Mhm.
1288
00:35:58.120 --> 00:35:58.500
Yeah,
1289
00:35:58.679 --> 00:35:59.040
and I mean,
1290
00:35:59.129 --> 00:35:59.290
I,
1291
00:35:59.479 --> 00:36:00.360
I agree with you.
1292
00:36:00.520 --> 00:36:01.469
I think a lot of,
1293
00:36:01.479 --> 00:36:02.739
a lot of people who are
1294
00:36:03.750 --> 00:36:04.449
Center,
1295
00:36:04.550 --> 00:36:04.939
uh,
1296
00:36:05.070 --> 00:36:05.270
and,
1297
00:36:05.350 --> 00:36:07.540
and left obviously would agree with you on that.
1298
00:36:07.870 --> 00:36:08.070
We,
1299
00:36:08.169 --> 00:36:10.169
we want your son to be who he is,
1300
00:36:10.510 --> 00:36:10.820
um,
1301
00:36:10.949 --> 00:36:11.199
and,
1302
00:36:11.310 --> 00:36:13.270
and if he wants to be married and have kids,
1303
00:36:13.350 --> 00:36:13.969
I think that,
1304
00:36:14.020 --> 00:36:15.729
that it is a very healthy path,
1305
00:36:16.100 --> 00:36:16.850
um,
1306
00:36:17.310 --> 00:36:17.709
so yeah,
1307
00:36:17.830 --> 00:36:18.469
it.
1308
00:36:20.250 --> 00:36:20.669
Don't be,
1309
00:36:21.169 --> 00:36:22.370
but 11 thing I hear,
1310
00:36:22.969 --> 00:36:23.129
yeah,
1311
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:23.449
and I,
1312
00:36:23.570 --> 00:36:25.689
I think there's an argument to be made that that
1313
00:36:25.689 --> 00:36:27.790
too much promiscuity is not good for your health,
1314
00:36:28.290 --> 00:36:28.399
um,
1315
00:36:28.489 --> 00:36:29.739
mentally or physically,
1316
00:36:30.850 --> 00:36:31.429
you know,
1317
00:36:32.810 --> 00:36:35.110
people feeling that they're not worth anything.
1318
00:36:35.870 --> 00:36:36.429
Yeah,
1319
00:36:36.790 --> 00:36:37.389
but then,
1320
00:36:37.520 --> 00:36:37.949
um,
1321
00:36:38.110 --> 00:36:39.070
from what I hear from you,
1322
00:36:39.149 --> 00:36:39.709
that's not,
1323
00:36:39.790 --> 00:36:41.790
that doesn't sound like Christian nationalism
1324
00:36:41.949 --> 00:36:42.530
at all.
1325
00:36:42.669 --> 00:36:43.300
And so,
1326
00:36:43.590 --> 00:36:43.669
you know,
1327
00:36:43.750 --> 00:36:44.040
there's,
1328
00:36:44.229 --> 00:36:46.750
there is this kind of interesting symmetry that you're pointing out,
1329
00:36:46.899 --> 00:36:47.409
you know.
1330
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:49.260
These kind of radical
1331
00:36:50.550 --> 00:36:51.550
views on
1332
00:36:53.250 --> 00:36:54.209
Giving kids,
1333
00:36:54.330 --> 00:36:54.929
uh,
1334
00:36:55.330 --> 00:36:56.260
giving minors,
1335
00:36:56.370 --> 00:36:56.560
uh,
1336
00:36:56.629 --> 00:36:57.989
surgeries or drugs,
1337
00:36:58.090 --> 00:36:58.280
uh,
1338
00:36:58.290 --> 00:36:59.070
if they
1339
00:36:59.250 --> 00:37:01.530
think that they're born in the wrong sex,
1340
00:37:02.250 --> 00:37:02.370
that,
1341
00:37:02.449 --> 00:37:05.030
that's kind of a radical view on the left and we sort of paint
1342
00:37:05.330 --> 00:37:08.000
people on the left maybe too broadly with those views.
1343
00:37:08.330 --> 00:37:09.479
But then on the other side,
1344
00:37:09.560 --> 00:37:09.760
you know,
1345
00:37:09.850 --> 00:37:10.310
there is,
1346
00:37:10.449 --> 00:37:11.429
there are these
1347
00:37:11.850 --> 00:37:14.919
prevalent public figures who are Christian nationalists,
1348
00:37:14.929 --> 00:37:17.510
and what I mean by that is like they want.
1349
00:37:18.250 --> 00:37:21.129
A government that operates more theocratically.
1350
00:37:21.250 --> 00:37:22.709
They want to see.
1351
00:37:23.580 --> 00:37:24.959
The average Christian
1352
00:37:25.219 --> 00:37:27.399
view of marriage reflected
1353
00:37:27.739 --> 00:37:29.639
in law prohibiting
1354
00:37:29.780 --> 00:37:31.699
people like your son from getting married,
1355
00:37:32.100 --> 00:37:32.620
um,
1356
00:37:32.860 --> 00:37:36.209
and maybe we overindex how many conservatives
1357
00:37:36.209 --> 00:37:37.659
actually believe that because I think a
1358
00:37:37.659 --> 00:37:41.040
lot of our viewers probably would think that you believe that because you get
1359
00:37:41.310 --> 00:37:42.699
sort of lumped in with that side.
1360
00:37:43.189 --> 00:37:43.310
Well,
1361
00:37:44.030 --> 00:37:45.649
there's this interesting parallel.
1362
00:37:46.389 --> 00:37:46.550
I,
1363
00:37:46.629 --> 00:37:50.070
I've argued it heatedly on the show before and on,
1364
00:37:50.169 --> 00:37:50.389
you know,
1365
00:37:50.510 --> 00:37:51.310
other shows,
1366
00:37:51.750 --> 00:37:54.689
but you don't get the time to really see where you're coming from,
1367
00:37:54.750 --> 00:37:55.750
if that makes sense.
1368
00:37:56.570 --> 00:37:58.239
It's usually like blah,
1369
00:37:58.520 --> 00:37:59.030
everybody's
1370
00:37:59.370 --> 00:38:02.350
talking at each other and then the bell rings.
1371
00:38:02.850 --> 00:38:03.310
So,
1372
00:38:03.729 --> 00:38:04.010
you know,
1373
00:38:04.169 --> 00:38:07.659
somebody doesn't really get to know what you really feel and why.
1374
00:38:08.209 --> 00:38:08.649
Um,
1375
00:38:08.929 --> 00:38:10.250
and then as far as,
1376
00:38:10.449 --> 00:38:10.800
you know,
1377
00:38:11.209 --> 00:38:14.429
I think you and I have to be honest with ourselves too.
1378
00:38:15.050 --> 00:38:15.929
A lot of these people,
1379
00:38:16.129 --> 00:38:16.610
Dean,
1380
00:38:16.969 --> 00:38:17.760
Michael Knowles,
1381
00:38:17.850 --> 00:38:19.149
both make a living.
1382
00:38:19.939 --> 00:38:21.270
On their perspective.
1383
00:38:22.090 --> 00:38:22.209
So,
1384
00:38:22.290 --> 00:38:22.770
therefore,
1385
00:38:22.889 --> 00:38:23.189
if
1386
00:38:23.770 --> 00:38:26.090
they need to stand strong in their stances,
1387
00:38:26.209 --> 00:38:27.080
number one,
1388
00:38:27.530 --> 00:38:30.229
because that's how they get their clicks and how they make money.
1389
00:38:30.770 --> 00:38:31.909
It's kind of like,
1390
00:38:32.250 --> 00:38:32.510
I,
1391
00:38:32.649 --> 00:38:34.229
I truly believe
1392
00:38:34.689 --> 00:38:35.810
that when Charlie died,
1393
00:38:35.929 --> 00:38:37.729
I think Dean was really sad.
1394
00:38:38.520 --> 00:38:42.060
And the pushback he got from his followers.
1395
00:38:42.330 --> 00:38:42.550
Oh,
1396
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:43.070
how dare you
1397
00:38:44.090 --> 00:38:45.219
support this guy?
1398
00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:46.870
He's a racist,
1399
00:38:47.050 --> 00:38:47.469
you know,
1400
00:38:47.729 --> 00:38:49.409
they made Charlie unhuman,
1401
00:38:49.520 --> 00:38:53.909
and that's the dangerous thing is when you start dehumanizing people
1402
00:38:54.449 --> 00:38:55.429
to the point.
1403
00:38:57.030 --> 00:38:58.340
People try to kill them.
1404
00:38:58.659 --> 00:39:00.159
And maybe
1405
00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:02.070
Dean doesn't,
1406
00:39:02.459 --> 00:39:03.100
you know,
1407
00:39:03.729 --> 00:39:05.479
feel that extreme
1408
00:39:05.899 --> 00:39:06.739
about things,
1409
00:39:06.860 --> 00:39:10.750
but he had to cave to his mob followers.
1410
00:39:11.219 --> 00:39:13.120
But the thing that scares me.
1411
00:39:13.889 --> 00:39:15.919
Is there an unbalanced person
1412
00:39:16.469 --> 00:39:17.919
in that following rank
1413
00:39:18.219 --> 00:39:19.899
that is gonna hear rhetoric,
1414
00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:23.979
dehumanize somebody on the other side and do something violent,
1415
00:39:24.260 --> 00:39:27.540
and I think it's something we need to be really careful with.
1416
00:39:27.820 --> 00:39:30.360
Our rhetoric really needs to change.
1417
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:31.790
Yeah,
1418
00:39:32.040 --> 00:39:32.280
I,
1419
00:39:32.399 --> 00:39:33.120
I agree with,
1420
00:39:33.479 --> 00:39:34.040
I agree with that,
1421
00:39:34.120 --> 00:39:35.830
but do you think rhetoric is,
1422
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:36.379
um.
1423
00:39:37.189 --> 00:39:40.110
I guess I agree that rhetoric can be.
1424
00:39:40.909 --> 00:39:45.209
Unhelpful and can be a catalyst for violence.
1425
00:39:45.629 --> 00:39:46.110
Um,
1426
00:39:46.750 --> 00:39:46.989
however,
1427
00:39:47.070 --> 00:39:49.909
I think violent actions kind of stand alone.
1428
00:39:50.030 --> 00:39:50.270
Like I,
1429
00:39:50.350 --> 00:39:53.610
I don't think you can directly blame words for causing violence.
1430
00:39:53.989 --> 00:39:56.429
But when you say we need to dial in the rhetoric,
1431
00:39:56.590 --> 00:39:57.379
are you also
1432
00:39:58.030 --> 00:39:59.409
feeling that same
1433
00:40:00.870 --> 00:40:03.250
Critique towards the president because
1434
00:40:03.590 --> 00:40:03.820
I mean,
1435
00:40:03.870 --> 00:40:05.649
his rhetoric is rather.
1436
00:40:08.030 --> 00:40:09.330
It's rather uh
1437
00:40:09.510 --> 00:40:09.790
extreme.
1438
00:40:09.870 --> 00:40:10.110
I mean,
1439
00:40:10.149 --> 00:40:13.110
if we just think about like his tweet on Easter morning.
1440
00:40:14.350 --> 00:40:14.550
Yeah,
1441
00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:15.020
well,
1442
00:40:15.149 --> 00:40:15.639
and.
1443
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:18.439
This is the thing about Trump.
1444
00:40:19.830 --> 00:40:20.260
Um,
1445
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:21.929
I worked on his campaign.
1446
00:40:22.010 --> 00:40:25.219
I actually have a picture of me and him together.
1447
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:27.879
You meet him and he's such a nice guy.
1448
00:40:28.030 --> 00:40:29.399
Bill Maher talks about this.
1449
00:40:29.479 --> 00:40:30.120
He's not.
1450
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:31.560
I hear a lot of people say that,
1451
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:33.580
that you think that he is.
1452
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.379
Now Trump is a guy from Queens.
1453
00:40:36.879 --> 00:40:37.379
Now,
1454
00:40:37.479 --> 00:40:38.239
a lot of people,
1455
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:40.600
and I've heard this from several people,
1456
00:40:41.080 --> 00:40:43.879
Queens men were always the ones that had to stand up.
1457
00:40:43.959 --> 00:40:45.479
Brooklyn was the tough guys.
1458
00:40:46.389 --> 00:40:48.590
Sometimes Trump will say things and you'll be like,
1459
00:40:48.750 --> 00:40:49.149
ah,
1460
00:40:49.310 --> 00:40:50.110
what are you doing?
1461
00:40:50.350 --> 00:40:52.530
Because you know there's gonna be pushback.
1462
00:40:53.229 --> 00:40:57.010
But I think that when I look at his actions on things that he's doing,
1463
00:40:58.149 --> 00:41:00.790
I think there's a bigger picture that people are not seeing.
1464
00:41:00.870 --> 00:41:03.459
I think that a lot of things that he has said
1465
00:41:03.820 --> 00:41:05.459
have been taken out of context,
1466
00:41:05.479 --> 00:41:05.929
like
1467
00:41:06.229 --> 00:41:08.770
the fine people on both sides argument.
1468
00:41:09.110 --> 00:41:10.149
I agree that was,
1469
00:41:10.389 --> 00:41:12.129
that was misrepresented,
1470
00:41:12.469 --> 00:41:15.570
but they still misrepresent it to this day.
1471
00:41:16.419 --> 00:41:16.570
Russiagate,
1472
00:41:17.469 --> 00:41:20.090
calling this man the minute he came down.
1473
00:41:20.520 --> 00:41:21.739
The escalator,
1474
00:41:22.040 --> 00:41:24.979
a Russian asset when now we know
1475
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:27.040
Hillary Clinton paid for it
1476
00:41:27.290 --> 00:41:32.610
and all the information of the dossier was made up in a bar over beers in the UK
1477
00:41:33.070 --> 00:41:35.540
according to subsource one.
1478
00:41:36.120 --> 00:41:37.699
When you paint somebody
1479
00:41:38.169 --> 00:41:40.139
as the enemy of the country
1480
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:42.320
and you tell people he's a Nazi,
1481
00:41:42.399 --> 00:41:44.909
he's an authoritative person,
1482
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.139
you're not going to have rights.
1483
00:41:47.949 --> 00:41:52.209
There's no rights anybody has lost under Trump that they didn't have before.
1484
00:41:52.590 --> 00:41:56.209
And that's what I'm talking about extreme res uh.
1485
00:41:57.459 --> 00:41:58.909
Extreme rhetoric
1486
00:41:59.229 --> 00:42:00.879
and you can say that about Trump,
1487
00:42:00.949 --> 00:42:03.969
but a lot of things that Trump says and does
1488
00:42:04.229 --> 00:42:05.989
is honestly to troll people.
1489
00:42:06.310 --> 00:42:08.889
I think he gets reactions out of people.
1490
00:42:10.260 --> 00:42:11.330
My question to you though is,
1491
00:42:12.090 --> 00:42:12.280
Are,
1492
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:13.909
are you giving him
1493
00:42:14.330 --> 00:42:17.570
more lenience than your political opponents because,
1494
00:42:17.889 --> 00:42:18.080
you know,
1495
00:42:18.330 --> 00:42:19.199
Trump is called,
1496
00:42:19.570 --> 00:42:21.280
he famously called the media,
1497
00:42:21.409 --> 00:42:21.530
you know,
1498
00:42:21.600 --> 00:42:22.850
the enemy of the people.
1499
00:42:23.129 --> 00:42:23.489
I mean,
1500
00:42:24.370 --> 00:42:24.739
he's,
1501
00:42:24.850 --> 00:42:27.699
he really is the most powerful man in the world,
1502
00:42:28.209 --> 00:42:30.189
certainly in the country right now,
1503
00:42:30.610 --> 00:42:32.090
and I mean he has a very,
1504
00:42:32.300 --> 00:42:34.270
very long list of
1505
00:42:34.810 --> 00:42:37.149
wild things that he said into a mic,
1506
00:42:37.409 --> 00:42:37.989
um.
1507
00:42:38.489 --> 00:42:43.000
And I mean that you could really make an argument that our culture is born out of that.
1508
00:42:43.010 --> 00:42:45.330
And so this really divisive culture that we have is,
1509
00:42:45.350 --> 00:42:46.669
is sort of born out of
1510
00:42:47.209 --> 00:42:48.889
the lines that he crosses as,
1511
00:42:48.969 --> 00:42:49.800
as that
1512
00:42:50.250 --> 00:42:51.229
central figure.
1513
00:42:52.209 --> 00:42:55.949
Was he the one that crossed it first though is what I have to ask you
1514
00:42:56.489 --> 00:42:58.770
when you've got every TV station.
1515
00:43:00.090 --> 00:43:03.840
Reporting 98% negative news against him,
1516
00:43:04.250 --> 00:43:06.639
they are not being honest with the people.
1517
00:43:07.050 --> 00:43:10.560
When they spent 3 years telling us he was a Russian agent,
1518
00:43:10.929 --> 00:43:13.270
they were not being honest with people.
1519
00:43:13.699 --> 00:43:16.550
And I think when Trump came down and he was
1520
00:43:16.850 --> 00:43:18.520
put into office the first time,
1521
00:43:18.810 --> 00:43:20.389
he wanted to fix things.
1522
00:43:20.610 --> 00:43:22.449
And what he found was an FBI,
1523
00:43:22.530 --> 00:43:23.679
a CIA,
1524
00:43:24.209 --> 00:43:25.610
and a
1525
00:43:26.010 --> 00:43:27.149
previous administration,
1526
00:43:27.290 --> 00:43:29.389
and you can say OJ 6.
1527
00:43:30.050 --> 00:43:31.070
They literally
1528
00:43:31.610 --> 00:43:32.350
designed
1529
00:43:32.770 --> 00:43:34.389
a narrative around him
1530
00:43:34.570 --> 00:43:36.449
to overthrow his presidency.
1531
00:43:37.510 --> 00:43:38.949
So when he said,
1532
00:43:39.110 --> 00:43:39.419
and you're,
1533
00:43:39.469 --> 00:43:41.129
we're still talking about the Russian dossier,
1534
00:43:41.189 --> 00:43:41.479
right?
1535
00:43:42.070 --> 00:43:42.149
0,
1536
00:43:42.189 --> 00:43:42.949
100%.
1537
00:43:42.989 --> 00:43:44.760
I mean that lasted 3 years,
1538
00:43:45.350 --> 00:43:45.989
3 years,
1539
00:43:46.030 --> 00:43:48.520
and there's still people to this day that believe it,
1540
00:43:48.989 --> 00:43:49.149
right?
1541
00:43:49.350 --> 00:43:50.979
But I mean that's not unique though.
1542
00:43:51.030 --> 00:43:51.449
I mean,
1543
00:43:51.629 --> 00:43:55.250
Clinton was impeached for an affair that he had with an intern.
1544
00:43:55.669 --> 00:43:56.419
I mean that was,
1545
00:43:56.560 --> 00:43:59.739
that was pretty big news for my childhood.
1546
00:44:00.189 --> 00:44:03.409
They said that President Trump committed treason.
1547
00:44:03.810 --> 00:44:03.820
They
1548
00:44:04.370 --> 00:44:05.090
said that he,
1549
00:44:05.229 --> 00:44:07.909
they were trying to overthrow his presidency.
1550
00:44:09.379 --> 00:44:10.719
But he was,
1551
00:44:11.060 --> 00:44:12.340
but the Mueller report,
1552
00:44:12.530 --> 00:44:13.800
the Mueller report
1553
00:44:14.179 --> 00:44:15.379
acquitted him though,
1554
00:44:15.540 --> 00:44:15.699
you know,
1555
00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:17.840
like the official kind of like government,
1556
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:18.780
um.
1557
00:44:19.959 --> 00:44:21.590
Document the Mueller report,
1558
00:44:22.560 --> 00:44:24.300
it found that there was no
1559
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:25.580
credible
1560
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:26.989
claim that Trump,
1561
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:27.479
you know,
1562
00:44:27.600 --> 00:44:28.189
was a,
1563
00:44:28.479 --> 00:44:29.810
a compromised candidate.
1564
00:44:29.919 --> 00:44:30.159
There were,
1565
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:33.860
there were connections to Russia in unique ways
1566
00:44:33.860 --> 00:44:35.320
and like Paul Manafort was one of them,
1567
00:44:35.399 --> 00:44:36.219
but there was no.
1568
00:44:36.709 --> 00:44:37.379
Um,
1569
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:39.000
what was the collusion?
1570
00:44:39.120 --> 00:44:39.879
There was no collusion,
1571
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:40.989
so there wasn't any
1572
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:41.639
collusion.
1573
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:43.080
The whole thing was a lie.
1574
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:45.219
Hillary Clinton paid for it
1575
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:46.100
through Fusion,
1576
00:44:46.129 --> 00:44:47.520
but isn't that the system work?
1577
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:50.629
Isn't that the system working in his favor and,
1578
00:44:50.669 --> 00:44:51.830
and defending him,
1579
00:44:51.919 --> 00:44:53.159
I guess I'm just not sure.
1580
00:44:53.770 --> 00:44:57.189
How does that justify then like January 6th?
1581
00:44:57.530 --> 00:44:57.810
OK,
1582
00:44:57.929 --> 00:45:00.909
so January 6th is a completely different subject.
1583
00:45:01.409 --> 00:45:01.949
I think,
1584
00:45:02.169 --> 00:45:03.270
I think that there were
1585
00:45:03.649 --> 00:45:05.530
very violent people on January 6th.
1586
00:45:05.570 --> 00:45:07.550
I think that they should be held to account,
1587
00:45:07.850 --> 00:45:10.030
but there's other clips like there was a woman
1588
00:45:10.570 --> 00:45:12.030
who again faced jail
1589
00:45:12.409 --> 00:45:13.050
that got,
1590
00:45:13.209 --> 00:45:13.449
you know,
1591
00:45:13.530 --> 00:45:16.659
when you're at a concert and you got all these people pushing you,
1592
00:45:18.250 --> 00:45:18.360
terrifying.
1593
00:45:18.449 --> 00:45:20.510
She got sucked into the crowd.
1594
00:45:21.330 --> 00:45:22.500
A lot of people did,
1595
00:45:22.530 --> 00:45:24.600
was carried toward that tunnel
1596
00:45:24.979 --> 00:45:28.139
where she was just beat beyond recognition,
1597
00:45:28.500 --> 00:45:29.000
and
1598
00:45:29.580 --> 00:45:33.000
you could literally see in the video where she is sucked into the crowd.
1599
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:34.340
So again,
1600
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.459
I just think collectively we can't just say,
1601
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:37.870
oh,
1602
00:45:37.919 --> 00:45:39.659
they tried to overthrow the government.
1603
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:45.040
In all honesty there were people who I don't think they as in the whole,
1604
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.560
but I mean you're talking a million people.
1605
00:45:47.600 --> 00:45:49.310
If they wanted to overthrow the government,
1606
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.459
they would have been armed and it would have fallen.
1607
00:45:51.919 --> 00:45:52.270
I,
1608
00:45:52.399 --> 00:45:52.989
I,
1609
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:53.699
OK,
1610
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:54.389
um,
1611
00:45:54.919 --> 00:45:57.979
thank you for going this far in with me because I'm really enjoying this.
1612
00:45:58.080 --> 00:45:59.699
The only thing I want to say though is,
1613
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:00.179
um.
1614
00:46:01.820 --> 00:46:02.179
I,
1615
00:46:02.300 --> 00:46:02.939
I mean,
1616
00:46:03.300 --> 00:46:03.679
Laurie,
1617
00:46:03.820 --> 00:46:05.550
when you look back on January 6th,
1618
00:46:05.780 --> 00:46:08.159
do you not see it as
1619
00:46:08.620 --> 00:46:11.899
sort of this grassroots effort to
1620
00:46:13.060 --> 00:46:15.760
Contest the certification of that election
1621
00:46:16.179 --> 00:46:17.399
like through force.
1622
00:46:18.739 --> 00:46:18.860
Well,
1623
00:46:18.939 --> 00:46:19.919
that's the thing.
1624
00:46:20.459 --> 00:46:21.800
All elections have
1625
00:46:22.419 --> 00:46:24.629
they contest when Trump was first elected,
1626
00:46:24.659 --> 00:46:25.939
there was debate on the floor.
1627
00:46:26.060 --> 00:46:28.000
I wanted to see the debate on the floor.
1628
00:46:28.100 --> 00:46:28.419
I know,
1629
00:46:28.459 --> 00:46:28.699
I know,
1630
00:46:28.810 --> 00:46:28.860
but,
1631
00:46:29.100 --> 00:46:29.540
but Laurie,
1632
00:46:29.620 --> 00:46:31.770
I'm just saying like characteristically,
1633
00:46:31.820 --> 00:46:32.860
like materially,
1634
00:46:32.979 --> 00:46:33.739
characteristically,
1635
00:46:33.820 --> 00:46:34.659
optically.
1636
00:46:35.260 --> 00:46:36.199
It's one thing,
1637
00:46:36.219 --> 00:46:38.780
and we saw this like when I was a kid,
1638
00:46:38.790 --> 00:46:39.639
like there was
1639
00:46:40.020 --> 00:46:44.929
disagreement about the outcome of the Bush versus Gore election,
1640
00:46:45.179 --> 00:46:46.520
and it was totally
1641
00:46:46.939 --> 00:46:47.879
valid,
1642
00:46:48.300 --> 00:46:50.320
but the courts made a decision
1643
00:46:50.580 --> 00:46:52.540
that could be argued
1644
00:46:52.649 --> 00:46:53.639
either way
1645
00:46:53.939 --> 00:46:55.610
and then everybody stood by that,
1646
00:46:55.620 --> 00:46:56.610
and there was no,
1647
00:46:56.820 --> 00:46:58.199
and correct me if I'm wrong,
1648
00:46:58.260 --> 00:46:59.320
but there was no.
1649
00:47:00.020 --> 00:47:03.570
Significant incident anywhere close to what happened on January 6th.
1650
00:47:03.860 --> 00:47:06.620
And so I'm just saying January 6th is unique in
1651
00:47:06.620 --> 00:47:08.909
its own way when you look at it where it's like
1652
00:47:09.600 --> 00:47:11.850
This is a group of people who are
1653
00:47:12.389 --> 00:47:13.530
through force
1654
00:47:14.229 --> 00:47:17.370
trying to interfere with the certification of this election,
1655
00:47:17.989 --> 00:47:18.149
right?
1656
00:47:18.229 --> 00:47:18.649
And
1657
00:47:18.949 --> 00:47:19.189
again,
1658
00:47:19.229 --> 00:47:19.969
when it happened,
1659
00:47:20.030 --> 00:47:21.350
my jaw dropped and I'm like,
1660
00:47:21.550 --> 00:47:21.909
no,
1661
00:47:22.030 --> 00:47:26.139
because I knew it would stop the debate on the floor and that's what I wanted to see.
1662
00:47:26.669 --> 00:47:27.500
However,
1663
00:47:27.830 --> 00:47:29.060
I do think that,
1664
00:47:29.310 --> 00:47:29.550
you know,
1665
00:47:29.669 --> 00:47:33.370
we do know now there was a lot of FBI agents in the crowd.
1666
00:47:34.310 --> 00:47:37.290
There should have been a lot more preventative measures,
1667
00:47:37.669 --> 00:47:38.310
and
1668
00:47:38.870 --> 00:47:41.729
I do think we had a lot of problems with that election,
1669
00:47:41.750 --> 00:47:45.370
and I do think that there were a lot of people there that truly thought their
1670
00:47:45.669 --> 00:47:47.469
country was being stolen.
1671
00:47:47.949 --> 00:47:51.010
I don't condone violence from anybody.
1672
00:47:51.350 --> 00:47:54.189
I don't think that anybody has the right.
1673
00:47:54.510 --> 00:47:54.520
To
1674
00:47:55.629 --> 00:47:57.189
injure or hurt anybody else.
1675
00:47:57.229 --> 00:48:01.510
Unfortunately we live in a fallen world and stupid people do stupid things.
1676
00:48:01.870 --> 00:48:05.449
I think on January 6th there were people that got caught up in it.
1677
00:48:05.870 --> 00:48:09.610
I think that on January 6th there were bad people.
1678
00:48:10.070 --> 00:48:13.449
I do think on January 6th that.
1679
00:48:15.129 --> 00:48:18.159
The narrative did so much for the left
1680
00:48:18.540 --> 00:48:21.679
that they want to keep replaying certain things that
1681
00:48:22.340 --> 00:48:24.459
pushed that everybody was violent.
1682
00:48:24.860 --> 00:48:28.290
But the fact of the matter is not everybody was,
1683
00:48:28.629 --> 00:48:29.870
and those people that were
1684
00:48:30.429 --> 00:48:33.909
were collectively prosecuted with those that were.
1685
00:48:34.270 --> 00:48:34.810
And
1686
00:48:35.070 --> 00:48:35.350
again,
1687
00:48:35.469 --> 00:48:36.169
Brady,
1688
00:48:36.310 --> 00:48:36.510
uh,
1689
00:48:36.669 --> 00:48:39.050
we all have the right to a defense,
1690
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:42.540
and when they withhold Brady evidence from a trial,
1691
00:48:42.790 --> 00:48:44.209
you don't have a fair trial.
1692
00:48:44.629 --> 00:48:46.090
So those processes
1693
00:48:46.909 --> 00:48:47.699
in those courts,
1694
00:48:47.790 --> 00:48:50.770
knowing that there was like a 98% conviction rate.
1695
00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:52.820
That's,
1696
00:48:52.899 --> 00:48:54.739
that's statistically impossible.
1697
00:48:54.899 --> 00:48:55.659
I again,
1698
00:48:55.739 --> 00:48:55.939
we're,
1699
00:48:56.020 --> 00:48:57.800
we hit the same thing where it's like
1700
00:48:58.419 --> 00:49:00.110
a lot of these.
1701
00:49:01.219 --> 00:49:02.060
Problems are,
1702
00:49:02.139 --> 00:49:04.120
are both sides overplaying their hand.
1703
00:49:04.699 --> 00:49:05.300
Um,
1704
00:49:05.669 --> 00:49:05.979
and it,
1705
00:49:06.020 --> 00:49:09.659
it might have been a grave mistake to prosecute
1706
00:49:09.659 --> 00:49:12.439
people who were not the worst of the worst
1707
00:49:12.739 --> 00:49:15.320
on January 6th as aggressively as they were,
1708
00:49:15.739 --> 00:49:16.179
um,
1709
00:49:16.659 --> 00:49:21.340
because that might have made Trump's actions maybe more justifiable if you,
1710
00:49:21.419 --> 00:49:22.979
if you look at them granularly,
1711
00:49:23.120 --> 00:49:23.600
but I
1712
00:49:24.810 --> 00:49:25.290
I gotta,
1713
00:49:25.449 --> 00:49:29.469
I gotta say a lot of the things I hear from you just really.
1714
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:31.100
Yeah,
1715
00:49:31.479 --> 00:49:31.760
I just,
1716
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:36.620
I gotta say like a lot of what I hear from you is just not how I think
1717
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:37.830
people,
1718
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:38.159
like it's,
1719
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:42.159
it's not um consistent with sort of the brand of MAGA and,
1720
00:49:42.270 --> 00:49:42.469
and,
1721
00:49:42.560 --> 00:49:44.899
and Trump's own statements himself and so,
1722
00:49:45.899 --> 00:49:46.639
I am
1723
00:49:48.169 --> 00:49:51.330
I guess I'm surprised that you come across as partisan as
1724
00:49:51.330 --> 00:49:53.860
you do in our content because when we talk about it,
1725
00:49:53.889 --> 00:49:54.250
you don't,
1726
00:49:54.290 --> 00:49:56.350
you don't actually seem all that partisan,
1727
00:49:56.889 --> 00:49:57.129
um,
1728
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:59.129
and it seems like Trump actually is
1729
00:49:59.770 --> 00:50:02.250
not like a great representation of your,
1730
00:50:02.399 --> 00:50:03.729
of your views or I guess the,
1731
00:50:03.810 --> 00:50:05.610
the movement that man.
1732
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:06.949
I think he's funny.
1733
00:50:07.370 --> 00:50:08.530
I really do.
1734
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:09.000
I think,
1735
00:50:09.129 --> 00:50:09.250
well,
1736
00:50:09.350 --> 00:50:10.050
maybe I'm wrong,
1737
00:50:10.209 --> 00:50:10.889
maybe I'm wrong.
1738
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:12.260
I wanna play,
1739
00:50:12.560 --> 00:50:13.820
I wanna play one more quick,
1740
00:50:13.879 --> 00:50:14.110
uh,
1741
00:50:14.120 --> 00:50:17.110
clip for you because you shared something I thought that was really good.
1742
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:17.659
So
1743
00:50:17.959 --> 00:50:19.760
you shared kind of your,
1744
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:21.699
a little bit of your own life story and,
1745
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:23.979
and I want to play you this clip and then we can,
1746
00:50:24.120 --> 00:50:25.320
you can tell me more about it.
1747
00:50:25.479 --> 00:50:27.260
So stop misinterpreting the genuine claims.
1748
00:50:27.864 --> 00:50:28.824
Made by a victim of
1749
00:50:29.024 --> 00:50:30.625
predicated off of the trauma that they went through.
1750
00:50:30.824 --> 00:50:31.304
Quite frankly,
1751
00:50:31.385 --> 00:50:31.635
Laurie,
1752
00:50:31.754 --> 00:50:33.084
I think that is disgusting.
1753
00:50:33.264 --> 00:50:33.425
Well,
1754
00:50:33.504 --> 00:50:36.245
I think it's disgusting because I was a victim of
1755
00:50:36.425 --> 00:50:38.084
actual rape and abuse.
1756
00:50:38.225 --> 00:50:40.905
And if you want to compare what happened in the Epstein files,
1757
00:50:40.975 --> 00:50:41.905
let me just tell you,
1758
00:50:42.094 --> 00:50:43.955
I was one of those little girls.
1759
00:50:44.419 --> 00:50:44.879
OK,
1760
00:50:45.310 --> 00:50:46.629
I was one of those little girls,
1761
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:48.070
but the guy was Hugh Hefner.
1762
00:50:48.350 --> 00:50:51.020
So for you to sit here and sit there and say it's disgusting,
1763
00:50:51.070 --> 00:50:51.510
I'm sorry,
1764
00:50:51.550 --> 00:50:54.350
I don't agree with a woman as a woman who was abused.
1765
00:50:54.590 --> 00:50:57.840
I don't agree with the attacks falsely on Donald Trump
1766
00:50:58.270 --> 00:51:00.010
because of the crap that your side
1767
00:51:00.189 --> 00:51:03.850
always has to push because you got such bad TDS it's insane.
1768
00:51:04.590 --> 00:51:05.169
So
1769
00:51:05.590 --> 00:51:09.439
this is obviously I wish you guys would change the lighting in that studio.
1770
00:51:11.780 --> 00:51:12.479
I think you look,
1771
00:51:12.590 --> 00:51:13.300
you look great,
1772
00:51:13.310 --> 00:51:14.250
and I'm,
1773
00:51:14.669 --> 00:51:16.689
I'm more curious what you.
1774
00:51:18.429 --> 00:51:22.370
What do you feel comfortable opening up more about like the experience,
1775
00:51:22.409 --> 00:51:22.560
you,
1776
00:51:22.649 --> 00:51:23.409
you said you,
1777
00:51:23.570 --> 00:51:23.770
you know,
1778
00:51:23.889 --> 00:51:24.530
you were,
1779
00:51:24.669 --> 00:51:26.429
lived in Hugh Hefner's mansion.
1780
00:51:26.489 --> 00:51:26.949
I mean,
1781
00:51:27.899 --> 00:51:28.100
How did,
1782
00:51:28.449 --> 00:51:30.120
how did you find yourself in that context?
1783
00:51:30.540 --> 00:51:30.860
OK,
1784
00:51:31.020 --> 00:51:31.540
so,
1785
00:51:31.899 --> 00:51:31.979
yeah,
1786
00:51:32.060 --> 00:51:33.780
I've thought about writing a book before,
1787
00:51:33.790 --> 00:51:36.479
and I think that's why even with the Epstein stuff,
1788
00:51:36.520 --> 00:51:37.040
I
1789
00:51:37.699 --> 00:51:38.600
really
1790
00:51:39.260 --> 00:51:42.479
struggle with how politicized that's become
1791
00:51:43.350 --> 00:51:45.169
because everybody wants to make it about Trump.
1792
00:51:45.260 --> 00:51:46.169
This isn't about Trump.
1793
00:51:46.219 --> 00:51:47.159
This is a
1794
00:51:47.659 --> 00:51:50.120
thing that's been going on for decades,
1795
00:51:50.500 --> 00:51:52.879
and I mean decades with the powerful.
1796
00:51:53.479 --> 00:51:53.810
Uh,
1797
00:51:53.899 --> 00:51:55.129
when I was a young girl,
1798
00:51:55.250 --> 00:51:55.530
I,
1799
00:51:55.689 --> 00:51:55.929
I,
1800
00:51:56.040 --> 00:51:56.169
you know,
1801
00:51:56.290 --> 00:51:59.310
I didn't have a very functional home.
1802
00:51:59.850 --> 00:52:00.469
I.
1803
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:03.530
Grew up in in an alcoholic home.
1804
00:52:04.459 --> 00:52:06.500
By the time I was 12 years old,
1805
00:52:06.739 --> 00:52:06.939
you know,
1806
00:52:07.060 --> 00:52:08.439
my tombo stage,
1807
00:52:09.100 --> 00:52:11.459
my mom had attempted suicide.
1808
00:52:11.580 --> 00:52:12.520
She was bipolar.
1809
00:52:13.540 --> 00:52:13.610
I'm sorry,
1810
00:52:14.939 --> 00:52:15.229
yeah,
1811
00:52:15.459 --> 00:52:16.409
after that,
1812
00:52:16.500 --> 00:52:17.139
um,
1813
00:52:18.500 --> 00:52:18.699
I,
1814
00:52:18.780 --> 00:52:18.899
I,
1815
00:52:19.010 --> 00:52:19.179
you know,
1816
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:19.979
I got into trouble.
1817
00:52:20.060 --> 00:52:20.659
I was a kid.
1818
00:52:20.699 --> 00:52:21.760
I didn't have attention.
1819
00:52:21.969 --> 00:52:24.639
My dad was off dating a bunch of women
1820
00:52:25.100 --> 00:52:25.790
and
1821
00:52:26.500 --> 00:52:27.040
I
1822
00:52:27.379 --> 00:52:28.719
started doing drugs.
1823
00:52:29.179 --> 00:52:30.899
My dad would always kick me out,
1824
00:52:31.020 --> 00:52:32.100
so therefore,
1825
00:52:32.260 --> 00:52:32.459
you know,
1826
00:52:32.580 --> 00:52:33.699
I did like the,
1827
00:52:33.820 --> 00:52:33.979
I,
1828
00:52:34.060 --> 00:52:34.260
you know,
1829
00:52:34.419 --> 00:52:34.620
I'm,
1830
00:52:34.699 --> 00:52:35.689
I'm 60 years old.
1831
00:52:35.739 --> 00:52:36.919
I was cute when I was
1832
00:52:37.620 --> 00:52:38.120
younger.
1833
00:52:38.379 --> 00:52:39.169
But anyways,
1834
00:52:39.540 --> 00:52:40.520
so I used to,
1835
00:52:40.580 --> 00:52:41.280
um,
1836
00:52:41.300 --> 00:52:45.280
started with the OP bikini contest in Huntington Beach.
1837
00:52:45.780 --> 00:52:48.189
You start getting photographers around you.
1838
00:52:48.580 --> 00:52:49.159
Then
1839
00:52:49.459 --> 00:52:51.520
I end up in Hollywood,
1840
00:52:51.860 --> 00:52:52.639
where
1841
00:52:53.520 --> 00:52:57.340
He wasn't the only deviant that had young girls at the mansion.
1842
00:52:57.919 --> 00:53:00.780
I can tell you because I didn't have anywhere to go.
1843
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:05.429
I lived at the Playboy Mansion for a while and I was 16 years old,
1844
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.080
1516.
1845
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:08.629
From there,
1846
00:53:08.879 --> 00:53:12.219
I was moved to a place called Grey Hall
1847
00:53:12.510 --> 00:53:14.310
that was owned by a man named,
1848
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:14.550
uh,
1849
00:53:14.560 --> 00:53:15.780
Bernie Kornfeld,
1850
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:18.979
who used to own Max Modeling Agency.
1851
00:53:19.669 --> 00:53:20.459
From there,
1852
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:21.459
um.
1853
00:53:22.870 --> 00:53:24.810
All I'm trying to say is
1854
00:53:24.989 --> 00:53:26.169
that happened to me
1855
00:53:26.909 --> 00:53:28.500
as a young girl and.
1856
00:53:29.520 --> 00:53:30.290
Luckily,
1857
00:53:30.399 --> 00:53:30.750
and I'm sorry,
1858
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:32.639
yeah,
1859
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:33.040
you know,
1860
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:33.540
but
1861
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:35.139
I think now that,
1862
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:35.899
you know,
1863
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:40.600
the whole QAnon thing was about dropping the Epstein files and everybody's like,
1864
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:40.879
oh,
1865
00:53:41.070 --> 00:53:41.679
QAnon.
1866
00:53:41.959 --> 00:53:42.989
I wasn't fully into it,
1867
00:53:43.040 --> 00:53:46.879
but I used to look at the posts because I was curious and it was all the Epstein drops,
1868
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:51.100
but everybody demonized that until they thought they could connect it with Trump.
1869
00:53:51.560 --> 00:53:53.780
But I think what people really need to realize,
1870
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:56.199
this is going on today.
1871
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:58.479
It happened at Nickelodeon.
1872
00:53:58.639 --> 00:53:59.879
It happened at Disney.
1873
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:01.419
One of my abusers,
1874
00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:04.870
a man by the name of Robert Evans,
1875
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:05.780
who,
1876
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:06.219
uh,
1877
00:54:06.229 --> 00:54:07.260
produced the movie
1878
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:08.260
Chinatown
1879
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:09.800
and Cotton Club.
1880
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.590
He used to be the president of Paramount Studios.
1881
00:54:13.090 --> 00:54:15.020
This shit is still
1882
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:15.699
going
1883
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:16.459
on,
1884
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:17.780
and Epstein
1885
00:54:17.919 --> 00:54:19.520
is a little piece of it.
1886
00:54:20.169 --> 00:54:20.919
So,
1887
00:54:21.409 --> 00:54:22.530
luckily for me,
1888
00:54:22.689 --> 00:54:22.889
you know,
1889
00:54:22.969 --> 00:54:24.489
when I was 21 years old,
1890
00:54:24.550 --> 00:54:26.229
I gave my life to the Lord.
1891
00:54:26.489 --> 00:54:27.659
I pursued business.
1892
00:54:27.689 --> 00:54:30.209
I became a very successful businesswoman.
1893
00:54:30.570 --> 00:54:31.979
I got a family.
1894
00:54:32.290 --> 00:54:35.500
I've been able to help other victims of trafficking,
1895
00:54:35.530 --> 00:54:37.669
of those that have been abused,
1896
00:54:38.169 --> 00:54:38.810
and
1897
00:54:39.169 --> 00:54:41.669
that's why when this border thing happened and
1898
00:54:41.850 --> 00:54:44.969
all these children started going missing in our country.
1899
00:54:45.510 --> 00:54:48.010
My heart bled for these kids because
1900
00:54:48.270 --> 00:54:51.050
even now Tim Tebow's got a whole movement going
1901
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:52.169
to find
1902
00:54:52.429 --> 00:54:53.169
these kids,
1903
00:54:53.189 --> 00:54:53.709
and
1904
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:58.149
the online exploitation with the internet now.
1905
00:54:58.270 --> 00:55:00.409
Thank God we didn't have the internet then,
1906
00:55:01.030 --> 00:55:01.860
is disgusting,
1907
00:55:01.870 --> 00:55:05.010
and we have hundreds of thousands of children in our country
1908
00:55:05.580 --> 00:55:05.989
today.
1909
00:55:06.389 --> 00:55:07.659
That need rescuing.
1910
00:55:08.149 --> 00:55:09.989
So I think where I'm coming from,
1911
00:55:10.110 --> 00:55:12.610
having lived my past experience,
1912
00:55:13.120 --> 00:55:14.649
is letting people know
1913
00:55:14.860 --> 00:55:16.429
Epstein's an inkling
1914
00:55:16.750 --> 00:55:17.909
of the disgusting,
1915
00:55:17.989 --> 00:55:18.389
evil,
1916
00:55:18.469 --> 00:55:19.250
vile
1917
00:55:19.510 --> 00:55:21.669
abuse that is happening to children
1918
00:55:22.030 --> 00:55:23.709
all over our country today,
1919
00:55:23.989 --> 00:55:27.139
and I want to stand to prevent what's happening now
1920
00:55:27.500 --> 00:55:28.649
because we can't help
1921
00:55:28.790 --> 00:55:30.330
what happened 20 years ago.
1922
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:31.870
Mhm.
1923
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:32.679
Well,
1924
00:55:32.919 --> 00:55:33.959
thank you for sharing that.
1925
00:55:34.040 --> 00:55:35.500
I'm so sorry
1926
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:38.149
that you endured some of those experiences.
1927
00:55:38.580 --> 00:55:39.229
Made me a stronger woman.
1928
00:55:40.629 --> 00:55:41.060
Yeah,
1929
00:55:41.250 --> 00:55:41.340
well,
1930
00:55:41.419 --> 00:55:41.709
and I,
1931
00:55:41.790 --> 00:55:42.830
and it seems like you,
1932
00:55:42.909 --> 00:55:43.969
you made it out
1933
00:55:44.149 --> 00:55:45.969
like you're saying as a very strong,
1934
00:55:46.229 --> 00:55:46.729
um,
1935
00:55:47.229 --> 00:55:47.820
person,
1936
00:55:47.909 --> 00:55:48.449
leader,
1937
00:55:49.189 --> 00:55:50.379
very strong woman leader,
1938
00:55:50.830 --> 00:55:51.250
but
1939
00:55:51.510 --> 00:55:52.030
you know,
1940
00:55:52.229 --> 00:55:52.590
um,
1941
00:55:52.750 --> 00:55:54.209
Dean played that clip
1942
00:55:54.669 --> 00:55:55.209
to,
1943
00:55:55.229 --> 00:55:55.570
uh,
1944
00:55:55.580 --> 00:55:57.330
Shiva in the episode
1945
00:55:57.790 --> 00:56:00.310
where he talks about like going backstage with women who don't
1946
00:56:00.310 --> 00:56:02.469
have their clothes on and he's kind of bragging about it.
1947
00:56:02.989 --> 00:56:04.560
There are accusations against him.
1948
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:05.760
I agree with you.
1949
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:07.320
Like nothing's clear cut.
1950
00:56:07.600 --> 00:56:10.280
You could also make an argument that some of these are not valid
1951
00:56:11.429 --> 00:56:12.020
right now.
1952
00:56:12.629 --> 00:56:15.070
At the Miss USA and Miss Universe pageant,
1953
00:56:15.149 --> 00:56:17.340
because I used to do a lot of fashion shows.
1954
00:56:17.709 --> 00:56:19.550
There are always men backstage.
1955
00:56:19.830 --> 00:56:21.260
If you put an AI right now,
1956
00:56:21.830 --> 00:56:24.350
what's the statistical probability of Trump
1957
00:56:24.350 --> 00:56:26.770
being backstage alone with women changing?
1958
00:56:27.189 --> 00:56:28.310
It's zero.
1959
00:56:28.629 --> 00:56:30.659
But this is the point I'm making though is,
1960
00:56:30.729 --> 00:56:33.530
is Trump probably wanted to be
1961
00:56:34.030 --> 00:56:35.540
like Hugh Hefner in a lot of ways.
1962
00:56:35.590 --> 00:56:36.229
I mean they're.
1963
00:56:37.300 --> 00:56:37.560
They,
1964
00:56:37.659 --> 00:56:39.620
they kind of have a similar brand and,
1965
00:56:39.770 --> 00:56:40.600
and so.
1966
00:56:41.689 --> 00:56:41.969
I mean,
1967
00:56:42.090 --> 00:56:44.429
don't you worry though that like
1968
00:56:45.070 --> 00:56:46.149
the president
1969
00:56:46.850 --> 00:56:48.350
is kind of
1970
00:56:48.770 --> 00:56:52.090
similar to a lot of these men that that victimized you.
1971
00:56:52.409 --> 00:56:54.169
You don't see any rhyme there.
1972
00:56:54.449 --> 00:56:54.560
Well,
1973
00:56:54.610 --> 00:56:55.550
I know the president.
1974
00:56:56.729 --> 00:56:56.899
You know,
1975
00:56:56.939 --> 00:56:58.620
I think maybe that's the difference.
1976
00:56:58.739 --> 00:56:59.360
Um,
1977
00:57:00.270 --> 00:57:01.419
he's a good father,
1978
00:57:01.459 --> 00:57:01.860
and yeah,
1979
00:57:01.979 --> 00:57:03.959
when he was a young celebrity,
1980
00:57:04.260 --> 00:57:05.159
absolutely.
1981
00:57:05.540 --> 00:57:06.040
I mean,
1982
00:57:06.409 --> 00:57:07.300
let's be real,
1983
00:57:07.459 --> 00:57:07.939
John.
1984
00:57:08.399 --> 00:57:10.010
If you look at rock bands,
1985
00:57:10.090 --> 00:57:10.770
for instance,
1986
00:57:10.850 --> 00:57:11.050
you know,
1987
00:57:11.290 --> 00:57:13.649
let's talk about the grab them by the pussy comment.
1988
00:57:13.850 --> 00:57:14.050
Let's,
1989
00:57:14.129 --> 00:57:15.629
let's just get that out there.
1990
00:57:16.250 --> 00:57:16.689
Number one,
1991
00:57:16.810 --> 00:57:17.250
there's a,
1992
00:57:17.409 --> 00:57:20.209
there's a verb in there that everybody seems to forget,
1993
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:22.350
and I think that Trump likes to see,
1994
00:57:22.770 --> 00:57:23.689
especially when he was younger,
1995
00:57:23.810 --> 00:57:25.070
liked to come across as
1996
00:57:25.409 --> 00:57:26.209
the man's,
1997
00:57:26.290 --> 00:57:26.810
you know,
1998
00:57:27.169 --> 00:57:27.370
kind of,
1999
00:57:27.419 --> 00:57:27.610
oh,
2000
00:57:27.649 --> 00:57:28.330
all these women walking.
2001
00:57:30.165 --> 00:57:30.925
Um,
2002
00:57:31.264 --> 00:57:31.685
but
2003
00:57:31.945 --> 00:57:35.324
what he had said in that clip was women let
2004
00:57:35.465 --> 00:57:36.685
you grab them by,
2005
00:57:37.584 --> 00:57:39.685
and what I'm gonna say about that is
2006
00:57:39.864 --> 00:57:40.875
there's groupies
2007
00:57:41.104 --> 00:57:42.564
that probably would
2008
00:57:42.864 --> 00:57:43.185
let
2009
00:57:43.344 --> 00:57:44.824
him grab them by the pussies.
2010
00:57:44.905 --> 00:57:45.774
Is that gross?
2011
00:57:45.864 --> 00:57:46.104
Yeah,
2012
00:57:46.445 --> 00:57:46.824
gross.
2013
00:57:46.905 --> 00:57:47.635
But Laurie,
2014
00:57:47.745 --> 00:57:49.925
don't you see how you kind of like are arguing both,
2015
00:57:49.935 --> 00:57:50.695
both ways,
2016
00:57:50.705 --> 00:57:51.284
because like,
2017
00:57:51.864 --> 00:57:52.784
I agree with you,
2018
00:57:52.864 --> 00:57:53.104
you know,
2019
00:57:53.185 --> 00:57:57.145
like if Tim Tebow's making a documentary that's bringing abuse of,
2020
00:57:57.334 --> 00:57:58.544
of children to light.
2021
00:57:58.989 --> 00:58:00.270
We should celebrate that,
2022
00:58:00.550 --> 00:58:01.419
but at the same time,
2023
00:58:01.590 --> 00:58:04.969
if the Me Too movement and feminists are trying to
2024
00:58:05.429 --> 00:58:05.810
end
2025
00:58:06.110 --> 00:58:08.810
the cultural trend of men in power having,
2026
00:58:09.310 --> 00:58:09.510
you know,
2027
00:58:09.629 --> 00:58:13.469
no consequences for putting sexual pressure on their employees or,
2028
00:58:13.540 --> 00:58:14.149
or things like that,
2029
00:58:14.270 --> 00:58:14.810
shouldn't we,
2030
00:58:15.229 --> 00:58:17.409
aren't these all kind of in the same,
2031
00:58:17.909 --> 00:58:18.110
aren't,
2032
00:58:18.149 --> 00:58:20.340
aren't a lot of these causes on the same team,
2033
00:58:20.350 --> 00:58:20.689
and,
2034
00:58:21.229 --> 00:58:25.310
and doesn't downplaying Trump's behavior when he was younger
2035
00:58:25.830 --> 00:58:27.969
cut against that like shared goal?
2036
00:58:28.879 --> 00:58:29.050
Uh,
2037
00:58:29.250 --> 00:58:29.409
I'll,
2038
00:58:29.489 --> 00:58:30.870
I'll tell you why I,
2039
00:58:30.969 --> 00:58:31.209
I,
2040
00:58:31.290 --> 00:58:32.469
I think that.
2041
00:58:34.060 --> 00:58:35.760
People do stupid stuff.
2042
00:58:36.570 --> 00:58:37.750
When they're younger
2043
00:58:38.409 --> 00:58:41.929
and people can change over years and over growth.
2044
00:58:42.090 --> 00:58:44.989
I think Trump is an 8 year old man now.
2045
00:58:45.250 --> 00:58:47.350
I didn't vote for a pastor.
2046
00:58:47.729 --> 00:58:49.149
I think that his
2047
00:58:49.409 --> 00:58:51.889
past probably was very promiscuous.
2048
00:58:51.969 --> 00:58:53.449
He had a lot of women around him.
2049
00:58:53.520 --> 00:58:54.070
He was
2050
00:58:54.649 --> 00:58:55.719
this celebrity.
2051
00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:56.080
Um,
2052
00:58:56.169 --> 00:58:57.879
I do not believe E Jean Carroll.
2053
00:58:57.929 --> 00:58:59.169
I will stand strong by that.
2054
00:58:59.250 --> 00:59:01.909
I know people that worked with her at Simon Schuster.
2055
00:59:02.370 --> 00:59:06.229
I think that was about the money and again more weaponization toward the president.
2056
00:59:06.870 --> 00:59:10.830
Do I agree with his sexual proudness as a young man?
2057
00:59:11.600 --> 00:59:12.340
No,
2058
00:59:12.919 --> 00:59:16.560
but did I vote for who he was 40 years ago?
2059
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:17.659
No,
2060
00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:20.060
I voted to close the border.
2061
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.060
I voted to stop the trafficking of children.
2062
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:24.520
I voted.
2063
00:59:25.209 --> 00:59:25.219
For
2064
00:59:26.709 --> 00:59:27.689
other things
2065
00:59:28.030 --> 00:59:29.989
than who he was at 20
2066
00:59:30.110 --> 00:59:31.479
if that makes sense,
2067
00:59:31.989 --> 00:59:32.350
you know,
2068
00:59:32.550 --> 00:59:34.370
just like as of now.
2069
00:59:35.889 --> 00:59:37.379
If I wanted him as a pastor,
2070
00:59:37.459 --> 00:59:38.169
absolutely not.
2071
00:59:38.260 --> 00:59:39.800
He would not be my pastor,
2072
00:59:40.300 --> 00:59:40.639
but.
2073
00:59:41.429 --> 00:59:43.540
I think he's an intelligent man.
2074
00:59:44.040 --> 00:59:46.280
I'm never going to agree with everything that he does.
2075
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:48.080
If he does something I don't agree with,
2076
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:49.679
I have no problem calling it out.
2077
00:59:49.780 --> 00:59:51.060
I am not a diehard.
2078
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:52.239
Everything he does,
2079
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:53.379
I agree with.
2080
00:59:54.139 --> 00:59:54.340
Um,
2081
00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:55.780
but
2082
00:59:56.120 --> 00:59:57.459
I think that
2083
00:59:58.040 --> 00:59:59.199
we're even seeing it now,
2084
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:01.250
although this Graham Plattner guy.
2085
01:00:03.030 --> 01:00:03.330
Sorry,
2086
01:00:03.429 --> 01:00:05.149
I think there's a lot there,
2087
01:00:05.310 --> 01:00:06.540
a lot coming up there,
2088
01:00:06.949 --> 01:00:07.350
yeah,
2089
01:00:07.510 --> 01:00:08.050
but
2090
01:00:08.510 --> 01:00:09.169
I think
2091
01:00:09.469 --> 01:00:10.479
40 years ago,
2092
01:00:10.510 --> 01:00:13.590
had Trump been running for office and he was behaving like this,
2093
01:00:13.669 --> 01:00:15.689
I probably wouldn't have voted for him.
2094
01:00:16.070 --> 01:00:20.850
As an elderly gentleman who's been married to his wife for 25 years
2095
01:00:21.110 --> 01:00:24.850
who actually is very respectful to women when he meets them.
2096
01:00:25.310 --> 01:00:25.649
Um,
2097
01:00:25.790 --> 01:00:26.629
when he met me,
2098
01:00:26.750 --> 01:00:26.949
I,
2099
01:00:27.030 --> 01:00:28.449
I've never had a bad
2100
01:00:29.500 --> 01:00:30.209
bad
2101
01:00:30.310 --> 01:00:30.770
conversation.
2102
01:00:31.929 --> 01:00:32.810
With him,
2103
01:00:33.449 --> 01:00:34.030
so
2104
01:00:34.409 --> 01:00:35.610
it's kind of like.
2105
01:00:37.580 --> 01:00:37.780
You know,
2106
01:00:37.979 --> 01:00:38.090
I,
2107
01:00:38.139 --> 01:00:38.179
I,
2108
01:00:38.379 --> 01:00:40.379
and I hate to say locker room talk,
2109
01:00:40.500 --> 01:00:42.219
but I get around a lot of guys,
2110
01:00:42.260 --> 01:00:43.030
and heck,
2111
01:00:43.139 --> 01:00:43.629
I'll tell you,
2112
01:00:43.739 --> 01:00:46.080
get around some women sometime
2113
01:00:46.580 --> 01:00:48.000
in private
2114
01:00:48.219 --> 01:00:48.570
conversations,
2115
01:00:48.580 --> 01:00:51.479
and some of the things that I've heard women say,
2116
01:00:51.780 --> 01:00:53.320
I think would blow your mind.
2117
01:00:53.419 --> 01:00:54.280
And let's just
2118
01:00:54.659 --> 01:00:54.969
face it,
2119
01:00:55.020 --> 01:00:56.179
we're all fallible,
2120
01:00:56.429 --> 01:00:58.979
and we all say stupid things sometimes,
2121
01:00:59.419 --> 01:01:02.929
but I do not think that President Trump is a sexual abuser.
2122
01:01:03.179 --> 01:01:05.639
I think he had a lot of women thrown at him.
2123
01:01:06.110 --> 01:01:06.709
And
2124
01:01:07.090 --> 01:01:10.050
he took the opportunity as a young celebrity man.
2125
01:01:10.709 --> 01:01:11.270
Mhm.
2126
01:01:11.939 --> 01:01:12.260
Yeah,
2127
01:01:12.419 --> 01:01:12.620
well,
2128
01:01:12.699 --> 01:01:13.760
I appreciate you
2129
01:01:14.699 --> 01:01:16.209
slicing that up for me,
2130
01:01:16.340 --> 01:01:16.879
um,
2131
01:01:16.899 --> 01:01:17.830
because it is,
2132
01:01:18.060 --> 01:01:18.780
um.
2133
01:01:19.790 --> 01:01:21.510
Complicated and I agree with you,
2134
01:01:21.649 --> 01:01:21.830
you know,
2135
01:01:21.949 --> 01:01:24.929
there's a lot of accusations that are alleged and not,
2136
01:01:25.389 --> 01:01:25.939
um,
2137
01:01:26.310 --> 01:01:27.189
proven to be true,
2138
01:01:27.270 --> 01:01:28.889
so everybody should take
2139
01:01:29.310 --> 01:01:30.530
any extreme,
2140
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:31.389
um,
2141
01:01:32.169 --> 01:01:34.689
Sense of certainty with uh.
2142
01:01:35.659 --> 01:01:36.520
A lot of salt
2143
01:01:36.909 --> 01:01:38.030
and um yeah,
2144
01:01:38.189 --> 01:01:38.439
Laurie,
2145
01:01:38.540 --> 01:01:39.370
this has been
2146
01:01:39.669 --> 01:01:39.830
really,
2147
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:40.689
really interesting.
2148
01:01:41.379 --> 01:01:42.350
Really quick in closing,
2149
01:01:42.389 --> 01:01:43.979
this is what I wanna see.
2150
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:46.229
I wanna see the things that we agree on.
2151
01:01:46.310 --> 01:01:50.310
I think that if we really talk about things we all want what's good for our families.
2152
01:01:50.669 --> 01:01:51.590
We want housing.
2153
01:01:51.669 --> 01:01:52.600
Housing is a huge deal.
2154
01:01:53.560 --> 01:01:54.860
Instead of doing infill,
2155
01:01:54.989 --> 01:01:56.919
we've got a lot of state and federal land.
2156
01:01:56.989 --> 01:01:58.830
Let's do some infrastructure and build.
2157
01:01:58.989 --> 01:02:00.810
I think we could all agree on that.
2158
01:02:01.270 --> 01:02:04.149
I think that we all want to live our lives,
2159
01:02:04.270 --> 01:02:04.610
but.
2160
01:02:05.020 --> 01:02:08.280
Being a native Californian for my whole life,
2161
01:02:08.540 --> 01:02:10.959
I can tell you this state used to be amazing.
2162
01:02:11.090 --> 01:02:12.719
It used to be beautiful,
2163
01:02:13.179 --> 01:02:14.850
and it's not anymore,
2164
01:02:15.100 --> 01:02:17.639
and we need balance in this state,
2165
01:02:17.860 --> 01:02:18.399
so.
2166
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:20.760
We need different ideas,
2167
01:02:20.919 --> 01:02:23.939
but we have to be able to come together to find that middle ground
2168
01:02:24.560 --> 01:02:27.189
where we can make life better for all of us,
2169
01:02:27.399 --> 01:02:29.300
and we should all be able to agree on that.
2170
01:02:30.100 --> 01:02:30.219
Mhm.
2171
01:02:30.520 --> 01:02:31.419
And you
2172
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:33.860
live that practice because you show up
2173
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:36.399
on jubilee sets and you do the work of,
2174
01:02:36.520 --> 01:02:36.790
of,
2175
01:02:36.879 --> 01:02:38.340
of having those conversations.
2176
01:02:38.830 --> 01:02:39.439
I would,
2177
01:02:39.909 --> 01:02:42.389
I know this won't be the last Jubilee video you're in.
2178
01:02:42.469 --> 01:02:43.810
I would encourage you
2179
01:02:44.110 --> 01:02:49.209
to show more of the nuance you showed me today in the next episode you're in because
2180
01:02:49.550 --> 01:02:51.060
I really enjoyed this conversation because I,
2181
01:02:51.070 --> 01:02:52.770
I feel like I got to know you a lot,
2182
01:02:53.179 --> 01:02:53.570
um,
2183
01:02:53.590 --> 01:02:54.159
better,
2184
01:02:54.290 --> 01:02:56.610
and I think a lot of your story
2185
01:02:56.739 --> 01:02:58.830
and your positions on issues,
2186
01:02:59.139 --> 01:02:59.679
um,
2187
01:02:59.909 --> 01:03:01.330
are probably not how.
2188
01:03:01.770 --> 01:03:04.679
I would have assumed that they're not what I would have assumed they were,
2189
01:03:04.770 --> 01:03:08.030
and they're probably not what I think a lot of viewers would have assumed they are
2190
01:03:08.290 --> 01:03:08.689
either.
2191
01:03:08.820 --> 01:03:09.139
So,
2192
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:09.760
thank you for this.
2193
01:03:09.770 --> 01:03:14.000
I think when you get two different sides coming into a situation and you're all both
2194
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:17.709
already heated and you know you got maybe 2 or 3 minutes to spit it out,
2195
01:03:17.969 --> 01:03:20.149
it's hard to have that conversation.
2196
01:03:20.489 --> 01:03:21.090
And honestly,
2197
01:03:21.169 --> 01:03:22.189
I always wish,
2198
01:03:22.330 --> 01:03:25.209
pick me for the last 10 minutes so we can actually talk,
2199
01:03:25.530 --> 01:03:25.719
you know,
2200
01:03:25.810 --> 01:03:27.270
and I'd love to do that,
2201
01:03:27.540 --> 01:03:29.760
show you how where it's like the 2 on 2,
2202
01:03:30.090 --> 01:03:31.449
never been chosen for that.
2203
01:03:31.979 --> 01:03:35.040
But I think a longer conversation sometimes
2204
01:03:35.620 --> 01:03:36.939
gets away from the.
2205
01:03:37.729 --> 01:03:39.139
The clips and soundbites,
2206
01:03:39.340 --> 01:03:40.060
so to say.
2207
01:03:40.810 --> 01:03:41.860
Mhm mhm
2208
01:03:42.340 --> 01:03:42.620
yeah,
2209
01:03:42.780 --> 01:03:42.899
no,
2210
01:03:42.939 --> 01:03:43.169
I,
2211
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:43.899
I agree with you.
2212
01:03:44.100 --> 01:03:45.300
It's hard to get
2213
01:03:45.540 --> 01:03:46.080
in this
2214
01:03:46.340 --> 01:03:47.899
algorithmic media space.
2215
01:03:47.939 --> 01:03:48.149
It's,
2216
01:03:48.219 --> 01:03:50.800
it's hard to get the most valuable stuff to the top,
2217
01:03:51.260 --> 01:03:51.860
um,
2218
01:03:52.300 --> 01:03:53.199
but thank you so much.
2219
01:03:53.260 --> 01:03:53.959
This was great,
2220
01:03:54.379 --> 01:03:54.729
um,
2221
01:03:54.739 --> 01:03:55.260
I enjoyed
2222
01:03:56.179 --> 01:03:56.610
sending,
2223
01:03:56.689 --> 01:03:57.040
you know,
2224
01:03:57.219 --> 01:03:57.760
uh.
2225
01:03:58.229 --> 01:04:00.379
Good energy towards your husband as he goes through,
2226
01:04:00.500 --> 01:04:00.659
you know,
2227
01:04:00.750 --> 01:04:00.939
his,
2228
01:04:01.030 --> 01:04:02.300
his health journey and,
2229
01:04:02.310 --> 01:04:02.850
um,
2230
01:04:03.110 --> 01:04:03.189
yeah,
2231
01:04:03.350 --> 01:04:05.469
just wishing you the best and I'm sure we'll see you again,
2232
01:04:05.729 --> 01:04:06.540
see each other again soon.
2233
01:04:06.729 --> 01:04:06.750
Colin,
2234
01:04:07.500 --> 01:04:09.139
thank you so much for having me on.
2235
01:04:09.429 --> 01:04:11.810
If you want to see more follow-up episodes of Surrounded,
2236
01:04:11.870 --> 01:04:12.719
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2237
01:04:12.870 --> 01:04:14.300
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2238
01:04:14.510 --> 01:04:15.429
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2239
01:04:15.550 --> 01:04:16.649
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2240
01:04:17.110 --> 01:04:18.629
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2241
01:04:18.830 --> 01:04:20.090
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2242
01:04:20.270 --> 01:04:22.649
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2243
01:04:22.949 --> 01:04:24.229
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2244
01:04:24.669 --> 01:04:25.969
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2245
01:04:26.070 --> 01:04:27.590
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2246
01:04:27.949 --> 01:04:28.500
Remember,
2247
01:04:28.709 --> 01:04:29.370
you could be wrong,
2248
01:04:29.870 --> 01:04:30.510
so could I.
2249
01:04:30.669 --> 01:04:31.689
Keep your mind open
2250
01:04:32.080 --> 01:04:32.830
until next time.