1 Moderate vs 20 Progressives (ft. Tim Pool)

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You have a lot of politicians on the Democrat
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side who got behind authoritarian practices during COVID.
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I'm not going to support those individuals,
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but the authoritarian practices today,
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you're willing to look past
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some of them,
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yes.
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Come on,
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man.
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The mainstream political left commits more
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violence than the mainstream political right.
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None of what you're saying makes any sense.
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It sounds like you're honestly grifting a lot.
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You can say that.
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Let me ask you a question every fucking year and it doesn't happen,
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and I never,
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it just hasn't happened yet.
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Do you want me to get you a soapbox?
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It's really I can leave.
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You want me,
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I'm really easy to do what you do.
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It's really easy to do what you do.
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Is the United States.
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Tracking towards civil war
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or is America more united than it seems?
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Hi everyone,
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I'm Paris Rose and I'll be filling in for John today
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from Jubilee Media.
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This is Surrounded,
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where one brave soul faces a room full of disagreers.
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Today we're debating which political party is more violent
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is authoritarianism on the rise in America
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and have both parties abandoned their oath to the Constitution?
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I'm here with our future guest,
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moderate political commentator
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Tim Poole.
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Hi,
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I'm Tim Poole.
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I'm the host of Timcast IRL and today I'm surrounded by progressives.
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My first surrounded claim
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is that the mainstream left commits more violence than the mainstream right.
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If you'd like to be the first debater,
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get to the chair in 321.
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How's it going?
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Great to meet you,
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buddy.
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How you doing?
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Pretty good,
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pretty good.
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There seems to be like a broader implication
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with your prompt that there's this domestic threat
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from mainstream left politicians.
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Like,
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do you really think Hillary Clinton's like leading the Vanguard Revolution Party?
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Like,
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no,
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what,
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what is your take?
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When you look at the violence that we do see.
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Uh,
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there's,
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it's,
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it's,
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it's,
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uh,
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from,
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I,
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I,
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I describe it as from blunt to acute,
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which is
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with the fringe extreme right you'll see extreme,
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uh,
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mass shootings.
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you know,
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someone will show up and unload on people,
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things like that.
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On the left though,
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you'll see riots,
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vandalism that you don't see from the right,
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but.
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The point I'm making is that when you break down
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the ideology that motivates individuals that commit political violence,
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there is more,
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more often an overlap between what the Democratic Party espouses ideologically
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and what we see in street level violence,
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as well as maybe assassinations.
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What is is what the Republicans would espouse.
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I mean,
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I couldn't disagree more.
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What,
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what ideologies that the Democratic Party is promoting
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that leads to these types of violence.
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Anytime you see an act of violence that's typically attributed to the left,
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it is immediately condemned by every Democrat.
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Politician.
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You couldn't point to one that actually endorses that
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where you have somebody like Donald Trump who's
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literally the president of the United States saying that
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we should call for the death of congressional members
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who are fulfilling their civic duty and saying,
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hey,
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maybe you shouldn't,
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uh,
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fulfill illegal orders if you're in the military,
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and Donald Trump's asking for them to be put to death.
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How is that not inciting to violence?
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No,
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that is,
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that's absolutely terrifying.
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I completely disagree with that.
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My,
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my point more so is that when you see,
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say,
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the George Floyd or the BLM riots.
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You end up with,
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uh,
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Biden and Kamala themselves promoting fundraisers
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for those accused of committing these crimes
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during which crimes,
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which crimes could you point to?
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So in Minnesota you had,
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there was famously there was a firefighter who opened a sports bar.
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It was burned down.
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when the,
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when the,
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when the,
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uh,
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local news went to interview him.
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About his dream bar being burnt to the ground,
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it was ransacked.
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I don't think it was burnt to the ground.
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while they're filming the story,
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there were people looting a safe and stealing it.
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I think that there's absolutely a big
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difference between a lot of the private buildings
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or private enterprises that were targeted versus
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like public institutions like the police precinct.
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you're somebody who I've seen the iconography on your show,
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you're,
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you're a big patriotic guy.
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Love 1776,
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right?
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That wasn't the most peaceful way that we had,
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you know,
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criticizing our government or saying that tyranny
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shouldn't exist with the Revolutionary War,
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but I will say on before they signed,
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I will say,
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I will say that the police precincts,
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that the same people who committed a brutal murder
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using state violence in order to justify that,
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we,
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I think we can understand why people would rightfully be,
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be mad without any accountability control
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of the police department in Minneapolis.
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That that is not the central,
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first of all,
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we're talking about the mainstream political left,
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which politicians are endorsing that type of
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ever said politicians were endorsing it.
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Then what's the mainstream left?
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So you have
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activists
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whose ideology aligns with politicians who are you say
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that those activists identify with the Democratic Party,
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the ones that are committed by the Democratic Party because let me tell you,
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the,
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the,
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the leftists that you could talk to,
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not the biggest fans of the Democratic Party Party in favor of Black Lives Matter.
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I,
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I would say yeah,
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I'd say even most moderates,
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I'd say actual moderates,
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not,
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not right leaning conservatives who claim to be moderates riots.
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Usually those people also agree that police violence is something
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that should be the riots Black Lives Matter motivated?
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They were motivated
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by Black Lives Matter.
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So that ideology is espoused by,
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so my point is Black Lives Matter is not encouraging violence.
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Black Lives Matter is recognizing systemic inequality where they were,
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they were telling people to go be violent.
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I'm saying that there are violent individuals
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and with the riots,
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a lot of them,
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which we've seen,
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can you tell me how about this,
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Chris?
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Tell me who Chris Wray is.
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Do you know who Chris Wray is?
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Explain it to me.
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Well,
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you,
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you have a show talking about politics every day.
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I would think that you know,
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but Chris Wray was the former,
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let's not,
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let's not do this.
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If you have a point to make,
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let's make a point.
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Let's not try and play these games.
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So Chris Wray was the former FBI director under Donald Trump's first term.
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He said that
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he even agreed with the findings from both the congressional research session
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that
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right-wing violence is way more proliferate
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in this country than left-wing violence.
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That's not,
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that's not meaningful to a voter.
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Let me explain.
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The Republican Party rejects neo-Nazism,
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correct?
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No,
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Donald Trump invited Nick Fuentes to have dinner with him,
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with Kanye West.
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So tell me one politician who went out and campaigned for the neo-Nazi vote.
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Uh,
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I'm blanking on his name,
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but Gawzer,
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uh,
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Gozar,
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and that,
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is that a main Arizona view in this,
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in this country?
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Well,
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we could talk about Gozar,
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we could talk about Matt Gates.
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We could talk about Gates.
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I'm not endorsing neo-Nazism,
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and Donald Trump said you kidding me?
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Nazis should be condemned entirely.
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No,
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he is literally partnering with the America First movement.
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He was a America and neo-Nazism are totally different,
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bro.
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So you don't think neo,
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do you think Nick Fuentes is a neo-Nazi?
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Oh,
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I forgot you've had him on your show.
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Oh my God,
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I would literally forget.
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I wouldn't describe Nick Fuentes as a neo-Nazi.
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You don't think that Nick Fuentes celebrating
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Adolf Hitler is not neo-Nazi adjacent.
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I think you have to be very specific on what your terms are.
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And so when you go to an American voter and say something like,
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this is our moderate,
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by the way,
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everybody,
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this is our moderate indeed.
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Keep going.
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So
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when you go to a regular American and ask them
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what is meaningful to them in terms of an election.
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You don't have Democrats or Republicans endorsing violence,
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but you also don't have,
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uh,
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Charlie Kirk's a good example.
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He threw out Nick Fuentes,
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he threw out white identitarians,
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white nationalists from his events.
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They were not welcome.
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That's mainstream.
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You don't have riots coming from.
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The Republican Party and the right,
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although you do have January 6th and things like that.
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When you take a look at the,
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say,
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the shootings of the Tesla facilities,
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the execution of Aaron Danielson,
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the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
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and
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one of the attempted assassinations on Donald Trump,
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not the,
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not the Pennsylvania one.
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You can see the underlying ideologies overlap with the Democratic Party.
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When you take a look at like Nick Fuentes,
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he's opposed to the Republican Party.
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He's actively,
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he's been actively endorsing Democrats right now.
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He's been saying that the Republican Party is too left for him.
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It's not that he's opposed to the Republican Party in principle.
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This is literally my point.
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Nick Fuentes comes out and says,
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do not vote for Trump.
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The mainstream Republican Party is at odds with these people.
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No,
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again.
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You're looking at all of the empirical data,
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the violence is way more on the right.
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So you can say what your feelings are.
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You can say that feeling nor the claim.
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It is not meaningful to a voter to say
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we don't like neo-Nazis and white supremacists
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because the Republican Party is not saying
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they want to say let's be objective of where the violence is coming from,
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and if it's more substantially coming from the right,
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that is a problem that needs to be tackled coming from Charlie Kirk.
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OK,
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we're not talking about Charlie Kirk,
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we're talking about the overall ideologies.
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In fact,
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we're not.
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So you're telling me,
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you're telling me that the prioritization of hierarchies,
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both ethnic,
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both cultural,
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that is not a dangerous ideology,
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but something like BLM that says,
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hey,
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maybe we should take back police violence,
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maybe you should have accountability for people who are
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in charge of certain aspects of our nation,
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committing violence on citizens,
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those are absolutely completely different ideologies.
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Apologies
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and the fact that you're saying it is more motivating
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for violence that the left wing is encouraging people to take
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those that are committing violence accountable in the last 10 years
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there have been over 465 incidents of left motivated political violence
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that aligns with the Democratic Party,
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and there's been one
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on the Republican side,
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which is January 6th,
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which,
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which admittedly is particularly egregious.
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January 6th was that's why we talk about blunt versus acute.
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Now the problem is I already know what all you're gonna say.
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You're gonna cite FBI stats and Cato,
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but it's not meaningful to me or any voter
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to tell me why white supremacists are
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violent because I don't like white supremacists,
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nor will I vote for them.
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And more importantly,
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you bring up Nick Fuentes.
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He is not aligned with Republicans and he's advocated against them.
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And I think,
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I think for somebody who don't like him,
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I think for somebody who has a political show
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where you talk about this stuff every day,
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you are completely misreading the conversation
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when you're saying that those that are engaged in like civil disobedience or like.
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I'm not talking about voters.
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You're,
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you're telling me that those people are
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canvassing for Democratic politician said that,
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which is actually not true,
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absolutely in favor of canvassing.
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I'm in favor of,
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uh,
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protesting.
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I'm saying that you're,
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I'm not saying that you're against that.
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I'm saying don't try and frame my argument
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like I'm upset with protests because I've defended,
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I've defended Black Lives Matter blocking streets.
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I've defended left aligned progressive groups like uh
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anti-capitalist groups blocking streets and environmental groups.
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I stand with civil disobedience and I've defended them every single time.
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If you want to block.
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A road,
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there's what is it that you're saying is more violent on the left.
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You mentioned Black Lives Matter.
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You mentioned these.
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Let's talk about uh the Tesla facilities being unloaded upon or shot up,
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right?
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These are motivated by an ideology that you will hear from Elizabeth Warren.
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Now,
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of course,
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she's not telling people to shoot anybody,
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but she is coming out saying Elon Musk is a dangerous threat to this country.
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And then you end up with someone going and pulling a rifle up and shooting up a Tesla.
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It's when you understand that the right always says politicians.
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Are not responsible for individual actions.
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Elizabeth Warren saying,
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hey,
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maybe we should have the same sort of economic policies they have in Scandinavia.
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That is not her encouraging,
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go shoot up a Tesla facility where Donald Trump's saying,
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let's hang the people.
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Let's hang the people who encourage
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those in the military to actually fulfill their duties.
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That is completely my claim is not that the
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right is completely the leader of the Republican Party,
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my dear.
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I to say that these are equivocal at all
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is completely condemn 100% what Donald Trump said,
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calling for the death of those politicians.
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We have to move on.
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Great to meet you,
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Tim.
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Likewise.
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If you'd like to be the next debater,
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get to the chair in 321.
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Hello.
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Hi.
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What I find really interesting is the whole premise of
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like the Occupy Wall Street movement was to protest,
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right?
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It was specifically geared towards making sure that
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the general public
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was understanding the situation at the time,
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which had a lot to do with anti-capitalist,
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um,
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motives,
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right?
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And so when we're talking about who's more violent
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than who we have to be very specific that.
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The violence that is uh recorded in the data
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is not ideological violence.
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It's not this like rhetoric.
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It has to be evidentiary.
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So
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if you're going to say like,
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oh,
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Black Lives Matter,
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um,
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and any leftists uh that are associated with that are automatically violent,
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that's just not the case and but that's what you're implying I'm.
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that
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when you have riots in this country,
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overwhelmingly,
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the underlying ideology aligns with the mainstream left ideology of this country.
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But what you're saying
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in your prompt
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that you wrote
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is that
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the left is more violent than the right.
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The mainstream political left commits more
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violence than the mainstream political right,
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right,
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the mainstream.
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And what I'm trying to tell you is that.
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The data is not showing that that is the actual evidence.
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If you're talking,
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no,
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it doesn't 775/10 years,
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75 to 80%
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of violence,
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actual violence that is being tracked
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as domestic terrorism
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comes from the right.
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It's white supremacist groups and white supremacists are not,
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uh,
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in,
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in a large political party getting voted for.
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Yes they are.
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The Republican Party
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is a very largely right wing.
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It is very far right.
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If you,
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but they're not white supremacists,
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nor would,
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nor are the Americans voting for Republican Party because
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they want white supremacy Make America Great Again means?
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I think it means making the economy improve.
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I think it means
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building our cultural institutions.
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Well,
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you can according to what time?
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According to what time?
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I'll give you that.
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Probably the 80s
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because Trump's an old man.
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I,
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I would,
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I would say the 90s seriously doubt he meant the 80s.
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He's much older than the 80s.
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Well,
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your,
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your interpretation of
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Donald Trump's opinions is separate from
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when we see a riot,
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what is motivating the riot,
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when we sees an assassination policies,
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don't they?
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Indeed,
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and nobody,
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no one,
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no one here is making the claim that Donald Trump is innocent,
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nor
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does he not.
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have individuals who you're attempting to make a claim that his
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type of ideology that leads his policy is not nearly as violent
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as the left,
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how many riots have there been largely anti-capitalist,
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which is largely anti-fascist.
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None of what you're saying makes any sense.
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It sounds like you're honestly grifting a lot.
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How many,
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how many Republican riots have there been?
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Um,
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I don't know the exact number,
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but what are you classifying as a riot?
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What?
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Because if you're completing protesting with rioting,
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that's a very different thing.
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No,
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we're talking specifically about people
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ransacking Tesla facilities,
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vehicles,
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charging stations.
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You're so obsessed with the Tesla thing.
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Why don't we actually talk about,
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I think it might be.
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I don't a rifle and I don't shooting is like investing in your company or something,
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but let's like remove the Tesla out of it.
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That has nothing to do with what your actual prompt is saying.
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No,
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that's actually what is.
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No,
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it sounds a lot like then you're arguing something decided no,
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you're arguing something else because it sounds like you went from somebody who
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was doing really important work in Occupy Wall Street to then grifting all.
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All the way to defending the far right people,
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that's crazy.
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What was the important work?
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What important work?
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You said,
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in terms of Occupy Wall Street,
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I,
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I think,
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you know,
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in terms of that movement,
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I thought it was,
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um,
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it,
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it was one of the first times in our generation that we were able to see
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an actual organization against capital.
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Can I ask you how old you are?
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No,
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you cannot ask me how were you politically active during Occupy Wall Street?
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Yes,
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I was.
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Did you follow the news about me during during Occupy Wall Street?
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Uh,
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not specifically,
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and the news was that Occupy denounced the violence.
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I had filmed leftists deflating police tires who physically attacked me,
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and I was attacked by a masked individual smacking my camera out of his hand.
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Occupy Wall Street vendetta for you then gave me indeed,
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if you're taking,
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if you're getting emotional about this and you don't want to have an argument,
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that's fine.
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Do I look emotional?
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You do because you don't know what happened during Occupy.
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And your argument is off because you don't.
559
00:14:32.989 --> 00:14:35.909
This honestly sounds like you have a personal vendetta from your
560
00:14:35.909 --> 00:14:38.909
history that has absolutely nothing with what your actions prompted,
561
00:14:39.229 --> 00:14:42.830
which is around far right people being much more violent than the left.
562
00:14:43.070 --> 00:14:43.890
We have to pause.
563
00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:45.179
Love the passion,
564
00:14:45.309 --> 00:14:46.010
but pause.
565
00:14:47.500 --> 00:14:47.669
All right.
566
00:14:50.260 --> 00:14:51.630
If you'd like to be the next debater,
567
00:14:51.780 --> 00:14:55.789
please get to the chair in 321.
568
00:14:57.719 --> 00:14:58.239
You got it.
569
00:14:58.479 --> 00:14:58.909
Nice to meet you.
570
00:14:59.640 --> 00:15:00.119
How's it going?
571
00:15:00.359 --> 00:15:00.599
Good.
572
00:15:02.010 --> 00:15:03.640
I think we should just get to the heart of it.
573
00:15:03.969 --> 00:15:05.229
Donald Trump is a fascist.
574
00:15:05.409 --> 00:15:07.760
He has Nazis in his administration,
575
00:15:08.049 --> 00:15:09.469
his entire messaging
576
00:15:09.650 --> 00:15:12.429
was resonating with Nazis from the very beginning.
577
00:15:12.929 --> 00:15:13.630
Donald Trump,
578
00:15:13.849 --> 00:15:16.080
when rallying for 2024,
579
00:15:16.409 --> 00:15:18.760
had a massive rally in Madison Square Garden.
580
00:15:18.809 --> 00:15:20.330
What was the significance of that rally?
581
00:15:21.280 --> 00:15:21.780
You tell me.
582
00:15:22.119 --> 00:15:22.280
Yeah,
583
00:15:22.359 --> 00:15:23.309
it's the same place,
584
00:15:23.520 --> 00:15:25.299
same date as the Nazis
585
00:15:25.510 --> 00:15:26.719
in the 1940s.
586
00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:27.739
Literally.
587
00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:28.710
Um,
588
00:15:29.400 --> 00:15:30.619
Donald Trump said that,
589
00:15:30.719 --> 00:15:31.159
uh,
590
00:15:31.309 --> 00:15:33.520
immigrants are poisoning the blood of America.
591
00:15:34.369 --> 00:15:35.530
In their varmint.
592
00:15:35.940 --> 00:15:36.979
Who also said that?
593
00:15:37.219 --> 00:15:37.700
You tell me.
594
00:15:38.020 --> 00:15:38.380
Hitler.
595
00:15:39.239 --> 00:15:39.799
Literally,
596
00:15:40.479 --> 00:15:42.179
Donald Trump has openly
597
00:15:42.429 --> 00:15:44.229
said things as dog whistles.
598
00:15:44.450 --> 00:15:46.320
So you may say that it's not mainstream,
599
00:15:46.479 --> 00:15:48.719
but the entire ideology of the right
600
00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:50.000
speaks to those people.
601
00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:50.469
Let me ask you,
602
00:15:50.520 --> 00:15:50.630
what,
603
00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:52.059
what do you mean by fascist?
604
00:15:52.400 --> 00:15:52.640
Uh,
605
00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:53.159
far-right,
606
00:15:53.229 --> 00:15:54.000
authoritarian,
607
00:15:54.150 --> 00:15:55.260
ultra-nationalistic,
608
00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:57.039
14 tens of fascism,
609
00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:57.400
all that.
610
00:15:57.460 --> 00:15:59.000
But there's a specific definition of fascist.
611
00:15:59.070 --> 00:16:00.340
Do you just mean that
612
00:16:00.590 --> 00:16:00.719
he's,
613
00:16:00.760 --> 00:16:01.729
he's an authoritarian?
614
00:16:02.119 --> 00:16:02.349
No,
615
00:16:02.479 --> 00:16:04.630
I mean that he meets all 14 tenets of fascism,
616
00:16:04.710 --> 00:16:05.200
fascism,
617
00:16:05.419 --> 00:16:05.940
which is what.
618
00:16:06.409 --> 00:16:07.909
Do you want to go through all 14 points.
619
00:16:08.020 --> 00:16:08.419
I don't.
620
00:16:08.580 --> 00:16:08.590
I,
621
00:16:08.820 --> 00:16:09.979
I'm trying to understand your argument,
622
00:16:10.059 --> 00:16:10.340
but so,
623
00:16:10.450 --> 00:16:13.299
so my point largely is we see people say Trump is a fascist,
624
00:16:13.539 --> 00:16:14.450
but there's,
625
00:16:14.729 --> 00:16:14.859
you know,
626
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if,
627
00:16:15.109 --> 00:16:15.460
if you go to,
628
00:16:15.539 --> 00:16:16.900
if you go to an academic and you look at fascism,
629
00:16:16.979 --> 00:16:17.559
say Italy,
630
00:16:17.940 --> 00:16:18.020
there,
631
00:16:18.140 --> 00:16:19.820
there's a common argument that you have the,
632
00:16:19.900 --> 00:16:20.010
the,
633
00:16:20.059 --> 00:16:20.169
the,
634
00:16:20.260 --> 00:16:23.479
the merger of corporate corporation and state as the defining
635
00:16:23.989 --> 00:16:25.099
element of what fascism is.
636
00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:27.299
There's different forms of fascism,
637
00:16:27.599 --> 00:16:27.760
right?
638
00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:30.799
And the actual premise is the authoritarian.
639
00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:32.840
Donald Trump is absolutely a fascist,
640
00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:33.429
he's,
641
00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:33.599
uh,
642
00:16:33.719 --> 00:16:34.109
like I said,
643
00:16:34.190 --> 00:16:35.840
he has Nazis in his administration.
644
00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:37.000
I think we're shifting,
645
00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:37.570
um,
646
00:16:38.239 --> 00:16:38.880
Pete Hesset.
647
00:16:40.650 --> 00:16:40.659
How,
648
00:16:40.669 --> 00:16:42.729
how is Heck and literally has a proud Nazi tattoo on his chest.
649
00:16:43.260 --> 00:16:45.460
Stephen Miller is absolutely a Nazi.
650
00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.119
Stephen Miller does not have a Nazi tattoo on his chest.
651
00:16:48.229 --> 00:16:48.479
That's,
652
00:16:48.659 --> 00:16:48.669
yeah,
653
00:16:49.109 --> 00:16:49.159
no,
654
00:16:49.280 --> 00:16:49.840
he does not have.
655
00:16:49.989 --> 00:16:51.440
He has a Catholic cross on his chest.
656
00:16:51.539 --> 00:16:51.859
OK.
657
00:16:52.119 --> 00:16:52.409
All right,
658
00:16:52.640 --> 00:16:53.020
cool.
659
00:16:53.239 --> 00:16:53.619
Um,
660
00:16:53.760 --> 00:16:53.919
I mean,
661
00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:54.119
guys,
662
00:16:54.239 --> 00:16:54.359
look,
663
00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:54.549
I,
664
00:16:54.640 --> 00:16:54.760
I,
665
00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:55.880
I went to Catholic school when I was little.
666
00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:56.320
I left,
667
00:16:56.400 --> 00:16:57.739
I left in 5th grade.
668
00:16:58.229 --> 00:16:59.280
Pete Hegseth is not a Nazi.
669
00:16:59.400 --> 00:16:59.520
Yeah,
670
00:16:59.630 --> 00:16:59.960
that's that,
671
00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:00.219
OK,
672
00:17:00.349 --> 00:17:00.619
cool.
673
00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:01.140
Um,
674
00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:02.359
question for you.
675
00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:04.660
When Donald Trump and his
676
00:17:04.660 --> 00:17:07.699
administration specifically actually implement policies
677
00:17:08.118 --> 00:17:10.560
that go at the heart of what Nazis want,
678
00:17:10.719 --> 00:17:10.839
like,
679
00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:11.699
targeting
680
00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:14.390
the first group of people they targeted was the transgender community,
681
00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:15.750
same thing as the Nazi.
682
00:17:16.118 --> 00:17:16.390
The,
683
00:17:16.439 --> 00:17:19.500
the actual Nazis specifically targeted
684
00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:20.719
people that weren't like them.
685
00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:24.180
There's been a persistent and consistent attack on undocumented immigrants,
686
00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:25.150
black people,
687
00:17:25.479 --> 00:17:25.819
women,
688
00:17:26.348 --> 00:17:28.699
anyone that's not a straight white male in America.
689
00:17:29.670 --> 00:17:29.910
My,
690
00:17:30.030 --> 00:17:30.250
my,
691
00:17:30.349 --> 00:17:30.510
uh,
692
00:17:30.589 --> 00:17:32.560
principal claim is not that Donald Trump is innocent,
693
00:17:32.589 --> 00:17:33.510
nor perfect nor good.
694
00:17:33.630 --> 00:17:35.869
My claim is that when you look at street level violence,
695
00:17:35.989 --> 00:17:36.469
domestic terror,
696
00:17:36.530 --> 00:17:36.949
etc.
697
00:17:37.270 --> 00:17:37.449
you'll,
698
00:17:37.569 --> 00:17:37.719
you'll,
699
00:17:37.829 --> 00:17:40.270
you'll find more violence coming from the mainstream
700
00:17:40.270 --> 00:17:42.449
left as opposed to the mainstream right.
701
00:17:42.750 --> 00:17:45.150
Because I do think it's fair to point out white supremacists are violent,
702
00:17:45.270 --> 00:17:46.359
they do evil and horrible things,
703
00:17:46.829 --> 00:17:47.140
and we all,
704
00:17:47.239 --> 00:17:47.780
we all condemn that.
705
00:17:47.800 --> 00:17:50.630
The white supremacists are a part of the mainstream right.
706
00:17:50.790 --> 00:17:50.859
Oh,
707
00:17:50.930 --> 00:17:51.229
they're not.
708
00:17:51.349 --> 00:17:51.459
They,
709
00:17:51.589 --> 00:17:52.229
they literally are.
710
00:17:52.339 --> 00:17:54.469
There's no circumstance where you can go on TV.
711
00:17:55.489 --> 00:17:56.089
Thank you.
712
00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:57.229
You can return to your seat.
713
00:17:57.280 --> 00:17:57.890
You've been voted out.
714
00:17:57.949 --> 00:17:58.089
Nice meeting you.
715
00:18:02.060 --> 00:18:02.189
Alright,
716
00:18:02.239 --> 00:18:03.550
if you'd like to be the next debater,
717
00:18:03.709 --> 00:18:07.489
please get to the chair in 321.
718
00:18:09.069 --> 00:18:09.459
How's it going?
719
00:18:09.609 --> 00:18:09.670
That was,
720
00:18:09.790 --> 00:18:10.500
that was an easy grab.
721
00:18:10.510 --> 00:18:11.109
You're right there.
722
00:18:12.150 --> 00:18:12.609
So
723
00:18:12.949 --> 00:18:14.750
the first thing I'll say is I think it's
724
00:18:14.750 --> 00:18:16.939
a bit disingenuous to characterize any of the,
725
00:18:16.989 --> 00:18:19.380
all of the property damage committed during BLM as
726
00:18:19.380 --> 00:18:22.420
left-wing violence because there are gonna be rogue opportunists,
727
00:18:22.699 --> 00:18:26.030
opportunists during the biggest civil rights protests in American history.
728
00:18:26.349 --> 00:18:27.550
That's first and foremost.
729
00:18:27.630 --> 00:18:27.939
Um,
730
00:18:28.030 --> 00:18:28.949
the second thing I would,
731
00:18:29.030 --> 00:18:29.969
I would like to say is
732
00:18:30.349 --> 00:18:33.589
I don't think it makes sense to confine political violence strictly.
733
00:18:34.192 --> 00:18:38.312
In the context of individuals acting with political motive violently,
734
00:18:38.482 --> 00:18:40.432
I think it ignores institutional violence.
735
00:18:40.482 --> 00:18:40.952
Theoretically,
736
00:18:40.962 --> 00:18:42.582
you could say the 1960s,
737
00:18:42.832 --> 00:18:42.991
uh,
738
00:18:43.041 --> 00:18:45.781
civil rights movement was more violent than the,
739
00:18:45.791 --> 00:18:46.232
uh,
740
00:18:46.241 --> 00:18:47.241
counter protesters,
741
00:18:47.322 --> 00:18:47.641
but
742
00:18:47.802 --> 00:18:49.702
obviously the institutional violence
743
00:18:49.842 --> 00:18:50.631
of segregation,
744
00:18:51.322 --> 00:18:51.521
right?
745
00:18:51.641 --> 00:18:51.842
So,
746
00:18:52.241 --> 00:18:54.562
so what I would say is that the Republican Party is,
747
00:18:54.641 --> 00:18:54.962
um,
748
00:18:55.072 --> 00:18:57.491
and the mainstream political right is far more violent
749
00:18:57.761 --> 00:18:58.511
because they support.
750
00:18:58.803 --> 00:18:58.973
Uh,
751
00:18:59.093 --> 00:19:01.404
ICE ripping and separating families from one another,
752
00:19:01.524 --> 00:19:03.673
even from people who have no criminal background.
753
00:19:04.083 --> 00:19:04.173
Uh,
754
00:19:04.254 --> 00:19:04.374
you know,
755
00:19:05.104 --> 00:19:08.894
ICE deaths under ICE custody has skyrocketed even as a matter of parade,
756
00:19:09.134 --> 00:19:09.813
war abroad,
757
00:19:09.894 --> 00:19:10.313
etc.
758
00:19:10.534 --> 00:19:11.053
But domestic,
759
00:19:11.313 --> 00:19:11.404
I,
760
00:19:11.484 --> 00:19:12.254
I'd love to talk the war stuff.
761
00:19:12.293 --> 00:19:12.644
I'm a sure,
762
00:19:12.723 --> 00:19:12.813
you know,
763
00:19:12.854 --> 00:19:13.494
a big foreign policy guy,
764
00:19:13.573 --> 00:19:13.654
but,
765
00:19:13.693 --> 00:19:13.813
uh,
766
00:19:13.894 --> 00:19:13.904
uh,
767
00:19:14.053 --> 00:19:14.593
domestically,
768
00:19:14.894 --> 00:19:15.703
did this not happen during,
769
00:19:15.803 --> 00:19:15.884
uh,
770
00:19:15.933 --> 00:19:17.043
Barack Obama's administration?
771
00:19:17.333 --> 00:19:17.443
Uh,
772
00:19:17.494 --> 00:19:17.734
it did,
773
00:19:17.803 --> 00:19:18.734
but not to the same extent.
774
00:19:19.134 --> 00:19:19.244
And,
775
00:19:19.313 --> 00:19:19.404
but,
776
00:19:19.473 --> 00:19:19.894
and he,
777
00:19:19.923 --> 00:19:22.693
and Barack Obama was criticized for it by who,
778
00:19:22.813 --> 00:19:23.374
the political left.
779
00:19:23.745 --> 00:19:24.145
Agreed.
780
00:19:24.586 --> 00:19:27.645
So my point is not to say again that there's no violence on the right,
781
00:19:27.745 --> 00:19:27.855
uh,
782
00:19:27.906 --> 00:19:29.745
and I think the institutional argument is actually a good one.
783
00:19:29.855 --> 00:19:30.066
However,
784
00:19:30.186 --> 00:19:30.306
I,
785
00:19:30.666 --> 00:19:30.776
my,
786
00:19:30.845 --> 00:19:31.125
my,
787
00:19:31.345 --> 00:19:33.965
my view largely is when you look at Occupy Wall Street,
788
00:19:33.985 --> 00:19:36.645
for which I was there and I watched police instigate fights,
789
00:19:36.865 --> 00:19:37.666
or when I was,
790
00:19:37.745 --> 00:19:38.855
I was on the ground during the,
791
00:19:38.865 --> 00:19:38.985
uh,
792
00:19:39.026 --> 00:19:39.176
the,
793
00:19:39.265 --> 00:19:39.385
the,
794
00:19:39.426 --> 00:19:39.645
the,
795
00:19:39.666 --> 00:19:39.786
the,
796
00:19:39.836 --> 00:19:40.656
the protests in,
797
00:19:40.666 --> 00:19:41.046
uh,
798
00:19:41.056 --> 00:19:42.225
on West Florissant Avenue,
799
00:19:42.465 --> 00:19:45.365
and I saw police throw a flash bang grenade
800
00:19:45.465 --> 00:19:48.296
at protesters who were not doing anything violent.
801
00:19:48.689 --> 00:19:52.130
The issue is these police are under Democrat administrations still where their,
802
00:19:52.219 --> 00:19:54.500
their chiefs are often appointed by Democrat politicians.
803
00:19:54.890 --> 00:19:55.219
So again,
804
00:19:55.339 --> 00:19:56.359
I understand the
805
00:19:56.520 --> 00:19:57.750
the left and progressives.
806
00:19:57.780 --> 00:20:01.800
That to me is also a little disingenuous because it's not as though the police,
807
00:20:01.859 --> 00:20:04.800
as a matter of its institution is a left wing institution.
808
00:20:05.030 --> 00:20:05.099
No,
809
00:20:05.250 --> 00:20:05.459
in fact,
810
00:20:05.530 --> 00:20:05.900
in fact,
811
00:20:06.229 --> 00:20:09.380
usually the police are protecting and on the other side
812
00:20:09.380 --> 00:20:11.650
of left wing the protesters that IC under Trump,
813
00:20:11.699 --> 00:20:13.349
I'll make the argument of police under the Democrats,
814
00:20:13.420 --> 00:20:13.500
sir.
815
00:20:13.660 --> 00:20:13.790
Well,
816
00:20:14.020 --> 00:20:14.180
I,
817
00:20:14.260 --> 00:20:15.060
I don't know.
818
00:20:15.140 --> 00:20:15.420
Well,
819
00:20:15.579 --> 00:20:15.839
the
820
00:20:16.056 --> 00:20:18.375
Which is it does law enforcement defer to their,
821
00:20:18.576 --> 00:20:19.686
to their politicians or not?
822
00:20:19.755 --> 00:20:19.765
It,
823
00:20:19.895 --> 00:20:20.015
it,
824
00:20:20.135 --> 00:20:22.875
it depends with because ICE is an executive agency.
825
00:20:23.015 --> 00:20:23.176
They,
826
00:20:23.265 --> 00:20:23.576
they do,
827
00:20:23.776 --> 00:20:24.395
they do,
828
00:20:24.456 --> 00:20:27.056
and the police department in Minneapolis is under the Democrats.
829
00:20:27.135 --> 00:20:27.255
Yes,
830
00:20:27.456 --> 00:20:27.686
right.
831
00:20:27.855 --> 00:20:29.375
And we all agree that there's problems there,
832
00:20:29.456 --> 00:20:31.656
but they're criticized and often on the other end of,
833
00:20:31.765 --> 00:20:32.776
of left wing protesters.
834
00:20:32.855 --> 00:20:33.495
So for instance,
835
00:20:34.436 --> 00:20:36.536
the protest against ICE here in Los Angeles,
836
00:20:36.696 --> 00:20:37.855
it's usually against left wing.
837
00:20:37.936 --> 00:20:38.375
So what is it,
838
00:20:38.536 --> 00:20:39.416
left on left violence?
839
00:20:39.456 --> 00:20:40.215
Is that what you're claiming?
840
00:20:40.436 --> 00:20:40.456
You think,
841
00:20:40.725 --> 00:20:42.765
you think police protesting against,
842
00:20:42.776 --> 00:20:43.105
uh.
843
00:20:43.531 --> 00:20:45.781
Or committing violence against left wing protesters,
844
00:20:46.572 --> 00:20:48.052
that's left on left violence,
845
00:20:48.131 --> 00:20:48.572
really?
846
00:20:48.582 --> 00:20:48.592
Yes,
847
00:20:49.052 --> 00:20:49.572
I think that's,
848
00:20:49.651 --> 00:20:50.891
I think that's ridiculous and absurd.
849
00:20:51.281 --> 00:20:52.852
The police who live in these cities tend to tend,
850
00:20:52.972 --> 00:20:53.112
they,
851
00:20:53.171 --> 00:20:54.281
they tend to be more moderate,
852
00:20:54.401 --> 00:20:55.452
but they're not hard conservatives.
853
00:20:55.521 --> 00:20:58.482
But is the institution is the policing as an institution,
854
00:20:58.741 --> 00:21:00.702
particularly left wing institution in New York?
855
00:21:00.771 --> 00:21:00.881
Well,
856
00:21:00.972 --> 00:21:01.041
I,
857
00:21:01.092 --> 00:21:02.852
I define a left-wing institution.
858
00:21:03.052 --> 00:21:03.192
Exactly.
859
00:21:03.371 --> 00:21:04.401
What I would say is
860
00:21:05.092 --> 00:21:07.411
Democrat politicians are the ones appointing these police chiefs
861
00:21:07.411 --> 00:21:09.171
and these administrations who are enacting these policies.
862
00:21:09.332 --> 00:21:10.572
But are they so when you're voting for someone.
863
00:21:11.047 --> 00:21:11.287
One
864
00:21:11.567 --> 00:21:12.427
into office.
865
00:21:12.567 --> 00:21:13.958
This is not conservatives doing it.
866
00:21:14.008 --> 00:21:16.927
It's not mainstream right wingers putting in police that beat protesters.
867
00:21:17.047 --> 00:21:17.248
But who,
868
00:21:17.328 --> 00:21:20.708
but who politically supports the police as a matter of their
869
00:21:20.848 --> 00:21:22.088
rhetoric and ideology,
870
00:21:22.167 --> 00:21:23.057
the right or the left,
871
00:21:23.118 --> 00:21:23.317
right,
872
00:21:23.478 --> 00:21:23.807
but the right,
873
00:21:23.958 --> 00:21:25.277
the right doesn't live in these places,
874
00:21:25.378 --> 00:21:25.387
yeah,
875
00:21:25.608 --> 00:21:26.848
but nor do they appoint these people.
876
00:21:27.008 --> 00:21:27.088
Sure,
877
00:21:27.187 --> 00:21:27.447
but don't,
878
00:21:27.527 --> 00:21:29.208
don't tell me that ICE under Donald Trump,
879
00:21:29.277 --> 00:21:30.907
but not police under Democratic politicians.
880
00:21:30.998 --> 00:21:31.458
Hold on.
881
00:21:31.848 --> 00:21:33.027
The left doesn't appoint,
882
00:21:33.208 --> 00:21:35.348
also doesn't appoint protesters who commit
883
00:21:35.348 --> 00:21:37.287
random acts of violence against property.
884
00:21:37.397 --> 00:21:37.917
That's not my argument.
885
00:21:38.008 --> 00:21:38.167
I know,
886
00:21:38.208 --> 00:21:38.407
I know.
887
00:21:38.484 --> 00:21:41.163
But what you earlier you were making the case that
888
00:21:41.163 --> 00:21:44.354
it's the ideology that motivates what these rioters are doing,
889
00:21:44.364 --> 00:21:46.524
and that's the reason why the left is ultimately responsible.
890
00:21:47.193 --> 00:21:50.163
The underlying ideology is overlapping with the Democratic Party.
891
00:21:50.244 --> 00:21:50.404
Sure.
892
00:21:50.484 --> 00:21:52.854
And so what I'm saying is that if you want to be consistent,
893
00:21:52.943 --> 00:21:55.963
the underlying ideology that supports the police and as,
894
00:21:55.994 --> 00:21:57.063
as a matter of institution,
895
00:21:57.163 --> 00:21:59.923
and when the police are cracking down on left wing protesters,
896
00:22:00.163 --> 00:22:02.473
that's overwhelmingly on the side of conservatives,
897
00:22:02.524 --> 00:22:05.884
except they're not in very large in these places and you're applying a locality.
898
00:22:05.959 --> 00:22:06.579
To the nation,
899
00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:07.640
they may not make sense.
900
00:22:07.750 --> 00:22:07.869
They,
901
00:22:07.959 --> 00:22:12.069
they may not be like technically in police in power are not motivated by the
902
00:22:12.410 --> 00:22:14.849
Republican Party to go out under a Democratic mayor to arrest protesters.
903
00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:16.109
The problem is that this,
904
00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:16.949
the police is still,
905
00:22:16.959 --> 00:22:20.400
as a matter of institution is more of a right wing institution than a left,
906
00:22:20.520 --> 00:22:20.689
certainly even,
907
00:22:20.760 --> 00:22:22.839
even on the other side of,
908
00:22:22.939 --> 00:22:25.719
but the point is a police officer who goes out in New York
909
00:22:25.719 --> 00:22:28.400
and arrests a protester does so at the best of a Democratic politician.
910
00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:28.790
I,
911
00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:29.060
I don't,
912
00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:30.420
I don't think it's true.
913
00:22:30.650 --> 00:22:31.989
You've been voted out by the majority.
914
00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:32.219
Please you.
915
00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:36.849
Alright,
916
00:22:36.930 --> 00:22:38.250
if you'd like to be the next debater,
917
00:22:38.410 --> 00:22:41.810
please get to the chair in 321.
918
00:22:44.900 --> 00:22:45.760
What's up young man?
919
00:22:46.040 --> 00:22:46.369
Listen,
920
00:22:46.589 --> 00:22:47.310
oh yeah,
921
00:22:47.949 --> 00:22:49.030
I haven't been young for a minute.
922
00:22:49.270 --> 00:22:49.349
No,
923
00:22:49.420 --> 00:22:49.989
slow down with that.
924
00:22:50.069 --> 00:22:50.310
Listen,
925
00:22:50.349 --> 00:22:50.469
I think it's,
926
00:22:51.229 --> 00:22:51.430
it's,
927
00:22:51.459 --> 00:22:51.890
uh,
928
00:22:52.150 --> 00:22:53.229
really quick that I condemn,
929
00:22:53.310 --> 00:22:53.670
I condemn,
930
00:22:53.750 --> 00:22:55.189
I condemn is a really cheap cop out.
931
00:22:55.229 --> 00:22:55.930
That's not gonna work.
932
00:22:56.060 --> 00:22:59.589
It's because the people around us are not low IQ like your average viewer.
933
00:22:59.829 --> 00:23:00.849
It's important to recognize,
934
00:23:00.989 --> 00:23:01.589
make an argument.
935
00:23:01.709 --> 00:23:01.949
So I'm,
936
00:23:02.069 --> 00:23:02.630
I'm about to.
937
00:23:02.670 --> 00:23:03.329
You don't have one,
938
00:23:03.469 --> 00:23:03.939
is that it?
939
00:23:04.150 --> 00:23:04.390
If you want,
940
00:23:04.430 --> 00:23:05.069
you wanna be insults,
941
00:23:05.109 --> 00:23:06.030
we can go for insults and I'm just,
942
00:23:06.089 --> 00:23:06.540
I'm about to,
943
00:23:06.589 --> 00:23:07.130
we can wrap.
944
00:23:07.349 --> 00:23:08.229
I'm about to wrap.
945
00:23:08.280 --> 00:23:08.989
Stop delaying my time.
946
00:23:09.239 --> 00:23:12.380
So it's important to recognize that a simply I condemn is
947
00:23:12.380 --> 00:23:15.530
not sufficient when the Republican Party has created a permission structure
948
00:23:15.790 --> 00:23:17.969
for individuals to go out and do violence against,
949
00:23:18.069 --> 00:23:19.459
I'm about to tell you with impunity.
950
00:23:19.510 --> 00:23:21.479
Immigration and Customs Enforcement is a good example.
951
00:23:21.849 --> 00:23:21.910
Trump administration.
952
00:23:22.810 --> 00:23:23.390
The Trump,
953
00:23:23.650 --> 00:23:24.430
they electoral process,
954
00:23:24.569 --> 00:23:24.729
you know,
955
00:23:24.810 --> 00:23:26.329
they lost in the courts 10,000 times,
956
00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:26.849
right?
957
00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:27.449
That's not true.
958
00:23:27.609 --> 00:23:28.050
It is true.
959
00:23:28.510 --> 00:23:29.560
But actually released a report on it.
960
00:23:29.569 --> 00:23:29.680
Yeah,
961
00:23:29.760 --> 00:23:31.750
they lost 10,000 times it would be like 1000.
962
00:23:31.760 --> 00:23:33.469
They murdered numerous American citizens,
963
00:23:33.479 --> 00:23:35.489
and guess what happened to the individuals that carried out those killings?
964
00:23:35.569 --> 00:23:36.079
What happened to them?
965
00:23:36.209 --> 00:23:36.609
What happened to them?
966
00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:37.400
Have they been prosecuted?
967
00:23:37.410 --> 00:23:37.890
Any
968
00:23:38.040 --> 00:23:38.130
investigations,
969
00:23:38.209 --> 00:23:38.599
do you know?
970
00:23:38.849 --> 00:23:39.000
I,
971
00:23:39.089 --> 00:23:40.030
I believe they have not.
972
00:23:40.650 --> 00:23:41.030
Why?
973
00:23:41.410 --> 00:23:43.209
It's almost as if when you commit violence,
974
00:23:43.280 --> 00:23:43.729
you're wrong,
975
00:23:43.810 --> 00:23:45.229
you're going to be protected.
976
00:23:45.449 --> 00:23:46.130
That's what's going on.
977
00:23:46.209 --> 00:23:49.130
That's why Christine No went out and said that Alex Freddy was a domestic terrorist.
978
00:23:49.199 --> 00:23:50.660
That's why Stephen Miller said the same thing,
979
00:23:50.770 --> 00:23:52.290
and everybody in the entire Republican Party
980
00:23:52.290 --> 00:23:54.130
apparatus is echoing those talking points,
981
00:23:54.250 --> 00:23:55.280
because whenever there's violence,
982
00:23:55.530 --> 00:23:55.760
they,
983
00:23:55.849 --> 00:23:56.500
they don't condemn it.
984
00:23:56.599 --> 00:23:57.439
They condone it.
985
00:23:57.609 --> 00:23:57.770
They,
986
00:23:57.890 --> 00:23:58.949
they congratulate it,
987
00:23:59.000 --> 00:23:59.729
and they pardon it.
988
00:23:59.969 --> 00:24:03.170
Law enforcement's duly elected by a by a population that voted in
989
00:24:03.170 --> 00:24:06.030
plurality for ICE to go out and engage in these behaviors citizens,
990
00:24:06.290 --> 00:24:06.810
which sometimes,
991
00:24:06.890 --> 00:24:07.010
yes,
992
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:07.630
absolutely.
993
00:24:07.810 --> 00:24:08.130
And oh,
994
00:24:08.170 --> 00:24:10.000
they voted for ICE to kill American citizens,
995
00:24:10.050 --> 00:24:10.329
really?
996
00:24:10.569 --> 00:24:10.890
Yes.
997
00:24:12.410 --> 00:24:12.640
Do you,
998
00:24:12.729 --> 00:24:12.920
do you,
999
00:24:13.010 --> 00:24:13.199
do you,
1000
00:24:13.290 --> 00:24:13.359
the,
1001
00:24:13.489 --> 00:24:14.250
the average Republican,
1002
00:24:14.329 --> 00:24:16.209
I don't think they're that who said the average Republican would vote,
1003
00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:17.609
but do you not believe that there are people in
1004
00:24:17.609 --> 00:24:19.520
this country that would vote for ICE to harm people?
1005
00:24:20.010 --> 00:24:20.329
Is that your,
1006
00:24:20.530 --> 00:24:21.290
is this your argument?
1007
00:24:21.410 --> 00:24:22.790
Do you believe this is terrible.
1008
00:24:23.569 --> 00:24:26.810
So you think not a single person in this country wants to harm illegal irrelevance.
1009
00:24:26.969 --> 00:24:28.050
We're talking about the fact that there is
1010
00:24:28.050 --> 00:24:30.709
a top-down approach by Republicans like Donald Trump.
1011
00:24:30.930 --> 00:24:31.849
Can I ask you the question again?
1012
00:24:32.170 --> 00:24:32.609
Can you?
1013
00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:34.229
Can you answer the question and allow it to happen,
1014
00:24:34.369 --> 00:24:35.250
foment violence in.
1015
00:24:35.349 --> 00:24:35.619
Can you,
1016
00:24:35.719 --> 00:24:36.989
can you answer you're running cover for it.
1017
00:24:37.150 --> 00:24:38.219
Can you can you actually,
1018
00:24:38.270 --> 00:24:38.790
you just did.
1019
00:24:38.949 --> 00:24:39.030
No,
1020
00:24:39.069 --> 00:24:39.380
I didn't.
1021
00:24:39.550 --> 00:24:39.630
See,
1022
00:24:39.689 --> 00:24:39.969
I'm,
1023
00:24:40.229 --> 00:24:41.510
I'm pointing at ICE violence.
1024
00:24:41.550 --> 00:24:43.040
You're saying that people vote for it or whatever.
1025
00:24:43.229 --> 00:24:44.709
You don't think that there are white supremacists
1026
00:24:44.709 --> 00:24:46.589
voting for ICE to go and harm migrants.
1027
00:24:46.739 --> 00:24:48.339
Are you saying that white supremacists voted for
1028
00:24:48.339 --> 00:24:49.790
Donald Trump so they could kill migrants?
1029
00:24:49.869 --> 00:24:50.020
Yes,
1030
00:24:50.109 --> 00:24:50.449
I am.
1031
00:24:51.540 --> 00:24:51.709
OK,
1032
00:24:51.810 --> 00:24:53.270
good to know that white supremacists make up part of
1033
00:24:53.270 --> 00:24:55.050
the Republican Party and Donald Trump's doing their bidding.
1034
00:24:55.430 --> 00:24:55.520
Yes,
1035
00:24:55.630 --> 00:24:55.709
I,
1036
00:24:56.030 --> 00:24:56.109
I,
1037
00:24:56.229 --> 00:24:57.489
I certainly believe they do.
1038
00:24:57.650 --> 00:24:57.660
OK.
1039
00:24:58.310 --> 00:25:01.189
The initial claim that I'm making is that there is absolutely violence on the right.
1040
00:25:01.270 --> 00:25:02.699
I already agree with one of the previous debaters
1041
00:25:02.699 --> 00:25:05.260
that there's institutional violence from the right as well.
1042
00:25:05.469 --> 00:25:06.910
The best argument against my.
1043
00:25:07.255 --> 00:25:09.594
actually is that the right when they get levers of power,
1044
00:25:09.775 --> 00:25:11.275
will use law enforcement
1045
00:25:11.415 --> 00:25:14.324
as their as their vehicle for the violence that they want to engage in.
1046
00:25:14.655 --> 00:25:15.915
Those things are all fair.
1047
00:25:16.334 --> 00:25:18.854
My point is that we are not seeing a nice long drawn out concession.
1048
00:25:18.964 --> 00:25:19.484
Thank you for,
1049
00:25:19.564 --> 00:25:21.405
but it's not a concession because maybe,
1050
00:25:21.494 --> 00:25:22.395
maybe we agree.
1051
00:25:23.089 --> 00:25:23.339
Oh,
1052
00:25:23.420 --> 00:25:23.880
OK.
1053
00:25:24.219 --> 00:25:24.260
See,
1054
00:25:24.339 --> 00:25:24.459
I,
1055
00:25:24.540 --> 00:25:24.609
I,
1056
00:25:24.699 --> 00:25:24.839
I think,
1057
00:25:25.010 --> 00:25:26.219
didn't you say the modern political left
1058
00:25:26.219 --> 00:25:27.619
commits more violence than modern political right?
1059
00:25:27.699 --> 00:25:29.239
So now you're saying just because
1060
00:25:29.459 --> 00:25:33.130
there are riots coming from the left does not mean they're morally right
1061
00:25:33.130 --> 00:25:35.650
or wrong or does not mean the right is better or worse.
1062
00:25:35.890 --> 00:25:38.300
This is a statement about volume of violence that
1063
00:25:38.300 --> 00:25:40.599
we see and a meaningful issue to a voter
1064
00:25:40.819 --> 00:25:43.839
as to what is the underlying motivation that we see pushing
1065
00:25:44.089 --> 00:25:45.099
violence in this country.
1066
00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.680
So when you have ICE going out and engaging in these actions,
1067
00:25:48.729 --> 00:25:51.839
this is like a Clarence Thomas level of interpretation with that prompt.
1068
00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:52.500
That is not what I,
1069
00:25:52.520 --> 00:25:52.630
I,
1070
00:25:52.689 --> 00:25:53.560
I don't know why you're trying so hard
1071
00:25:53.560 --> 00:25:55.459
to disagree when we actually have common ground.
1072
00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:56.319
Pause,
1073
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:57.859
we are out of time.
1074
00:25:58.739 --> 00:25:59.660
Thank you.
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My next surrounded claim is that the Democratic Party
1107
00:27:15.140 --> 00:27:16.800
has embraced authoritarianism.
1108
00:27:17.420 --> 00:27:18.739
If you'd like to be the first debater,
1109
00:27:18.900 --> 00:27:22.500
please get to the chair in 321.
1110
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:24.900
Uh,
1111
00:27:25.040 --> 00:27:25.800
that was fast.
1112
00:27:26.199 --> 00:27:26.839
Nice to meet you.
1113
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:28.150
Let's start off not by,
1114
00:27:28.199 --> 00:27:28.520
oh God,
1115
00:27:28.630 --> 00:27:29.880
don't make me defend Republicans,
1116
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:30.250
but let's,
1117
00:27:30.310 --> 00:27:30.589
let's go.
1118
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:30.959
Let's go.
1119
00:27:31.109 --> 00:27:31.400
All right,
1120
00:27:31.479 --> 00:27:33.310
let's talk about authoritarianism.
1121
00:27:33.670 --> 00:27:35.579
What does an authoritarian government do?
1122
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:36.680
So it's typically,
1123
00:27:36.790 --> 00:27:36.839
and,
1124
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:37.790
and particularly in my claim,
1125
00:27:37.819 --> 00:27:39.349
it's a reference to suppression of dissent,
1126
00:27:39.430 --> 00:27:40.540
suppression of speech,
1127
00:27:40.709 --> 00:27:40.880
uh,
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00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:43.910
control of voting or manipulation of voting for the power,
1129
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:44.449
uh,
1130
00:27:44.510 --> 00:27:44.550
uh,
1131
00:27:44.560 --> 00:27:44.910
for the,
1132
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:45.699
uh,
1133
00:27:46.150 --> 00:27:46.790
let's just call it,
1134
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:47.040
uh,
1135
00:27:47.439 --> 00:27:50.880
control by a particular group of politically or claims one at a time,
1136
00:27:50.979 --> 00:27:50.989
yeah,
1137
00:27:51.239 --> 00:27:52.239
first on suppression of.
1138
00:27:52.364 --> 00:27:54.895
Speech indeed just a few hours ago today,
1139
00:27:55.084 --> 00:27:56.584
Trump subpoenaed reporters
1140
00:27:56.765 --> 00:27:59.925
for trying to report accurate information on the war in Iran.
1141
00:28:00.314 --> 00:28:00.765
He said no,
1142
00:28:00.964 --> 00:28:01.724
that can't happen.
1143
00:28:01.885 --> 00:28:02.244
Awful.
1144
00:28:02.484 --> 00:28:05.165
That's way more authoritarian than what we're seeing on the left here.
1145
00:28:05.334 --> 00:28:05.484
Well,
1146
00:28:05.564 --> 00:28:05.824
I mean,
1147
00:28:05.984 --> 00:28:06.584
if it's,
1148
00:28:06.604 --> 00:28:08.844
it's hard to quantify what is more or less authoritarian,
1149
00:28:08.885 --> 00:28:12.505
but certainly bad when when President Trump is trying to stifle speech.
1150
00:28:12.724 --> 00:28:12.844
Wait,
1151
00:28:12.935 --> 00:28:13.135
can you,
1152
00:28:13.145 --> 00:28:16.405
do you want any example of Biden doing anything even comparable to that?
1153
00:28:16.604 --> 00:28:16.885
I can.
1154
00:28:16.964 --> 00:28:18.204
We can start with Alex Berenson,
1155
00:28:18.244 --> 00:28:20.084
who is currently in a lawsuit because the Biden.
1156
00:28:20.300 --> 00:28:22.310
Administration personally went to social media platforms
1157
00:28:22.530 --> 00:28:24.469
using his name to be suspended
1158
00:28:24.650 --> 00:28:28.170
for his reporting on COVID vaccination and and and mandates.
1159
00:28:28.489 --> 00:28:28.910
OK,
1160
00:28:29.130 --> 00:28:30.260
at a top level though,
1161
00:28:30.449 --> 00:28:32.930
who's doing the majority of the like
1162
00:28:33.089 --> 00:28:34.650
actual suppression of speech here?
1163
00:28:34.810 --> 00:28:34.930
I,
1164
00:28:34.969 --> 00:28:35.189
I,
1165
00:28:35.250 --> 00:28:37.030
I don't really have good words for the Republican Party,
1166
00:28:37.050 --> 00:28:37.569
to be honest.
1167
00:28:37.770 --> 00:28:37.880
My,
1168
00:28:37.930 --> 00:28:38.089
my,
1169
00:28:38.170 --> 00:28:39.400
my issue with this debate is,
1170
00:28:39.410 --> 00:28:41.369
is in fact what we're seeing right now is that
1171
00:28:41.569 --> 00:28:44.359
I'll make a claim about the Democratic Party which has done awful things,
1172
00:28:44.369 --> 00:28:45.170
and the immediate response is,
1173
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:46.270
but the Republicans,
1174
00:28:46.410 --> 00:28:47.410
and I don't like Republicans.
1175
00:28:47.439 --> 00:28:47.930
Here's the thing.
1176
00:28:48.285 --> 00:28:50.015
We live in a two party system,
1177
00:28:50.375 --> 00:28:50.724
right?
1178
00:28:50.775 --> 00:28:52.375
We can have this great grift of like,
1179
00:28:52.484 --> 00:28:52.944
oh
1180
00:28:53.094 --> 00:28:53.375
well,
1181
00:28:53.454 --> 00:28:55.135
the Democrats are bad,
1182
00:28:55.214 --> 00:28:56.084
but we can,
1183
00:28:56.255 --> 00:28:56.814
and the Republicans,
1184
00:28:56.854 --> 00:28:57.594
they might be worse,
1185
00:28:57.685 --> 00:28:58.935
but the Democrats are still bad.
1186
00:28:59.175 --> 00:29:01.204
But the option is between Democrats and Republicans.
1187
00:29:01.694 --> 00:29:03.175
So if Republicans are worse,
1188
00:29:03.255 --> 00:29:05.694
it doesn't really matter if Democrats are slightly bad.
1189
00:29:05.895 --> 00:29:05.915
But
1190
00:29:07.275 --> 00:29:08.625
I think we don't love Democrats,
1191
00:29:08.885 --> 00:29:11.214
but we feel that Republicans are way worse
1192
00:29:11.214 --> 00:29:13.854
when they institute these far more authoritarian policies.
1193
00:29:14.285 --> 00:29:14.415
It's,
1194
00:29:14.454 --> 00:29:15.444
it's hard to quantify more.
1195
00:29:16.020 --> 00:29:17.619
And the question is,
1196
00:29:17.739 --> 00:29:18.650
does it suppress speech,
1197
00:29:18.699 --> 00:29:20.500
and I certainly think Donald Trump has taken actions.
1198
00:29:20.699 --> 00:29:21.369
There was a human,
1199
00:29:21.780 --> 00:29:22.689
let's look at human lives.
1200
00:29:22.739 --> 00:29:24.609
If we want to do like a quantification here,
1201
00:29:24.739 --> 00:29:25.500
let's look at ICE.
1202
00:29:25.689 --> 00:29:28.160
3 American citizens have been killed by ICE.
1203
00:29:28.530 --> 00:29:30.260
That's way more than the number of
1204
00:29:30.260 --> 00:29:32.579
American citizens killed by immigration enforcement under,
1205
00:29:32.689 --> 00:29:32.780
say,
1206
00:29:32.939 --> 00:29:33.219
Obama,
1207
00:29:33.380 --> 00:29:36.619
but it's way less than the amount of American citizens killed by Barack Obama.
1208
00:29:36.939 --> 00:29:37.250
No,
1209
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:38.380
it is true.
1210
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:38.780
Yes,
1211
00:29:38.819 --> 00:29:39.219
it is.
1212
00:29:39.420 --> 00:29:39.739
OK.
1213
00:29:40.099 --> 00:29:40.140
Well,
1214
00:29:40.500 --> 00:29:40.540
look,
1215
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:40.699
look,
1216
00:29:40.780 --> 00:29:40.819
I,
1217
00:29:40.900 --> 00:29:40.939
I,
1218
00:29:41.030 --> 00:29:41.900
I don't want to be disrespectful,
1219
00:29:41.979 --> 00:29:42.209
but,
1220
00:29:42.219 --> 00:29:42.260
um,
1221
00:29:42.380 --> 00:29:42.530
one of,
1222
00:29:42.619 --> 00:29:43.619
one of the biggest issues to me.
1223
00:29:43.785 --> 00:29:45.944
The extrajudicial assassination of Abdul Rahman
1224
00:29:45.944 --> 00:29:47.685
al-Awlaki by the Obama administration,
1225
00:29:47.864 --> 00:29:49.885
and this is what early on in my life
1226
00:29:50.064 --> 00:29:51.305
when I was very anti-war,
1227
00:29:51.375 --> 00:29:51.744
very lefty,
1228
00:29:51.905 --> 00:29:52.685
still anti-war,
1229
00:29:52.864 --> 00:29:54.385
and voted for Barack Obama,
1230
00:29:54.425 --> 00:29:56.005
and then he murdered in favor of the war in Iran.
1231
00:29:56.104 --> 00:29:56.704
Absolutely not.
1232
00:29:56.935 --> 00:29:58.944
And Barack Obama killed a sixteen-year-old American citizen
1233
00:29:58.944 --> 00:30:00.425
who was at a civilian restaurant in Yemen.
1234
00:30:00.574 --> 00:30:00.905
We can.
1235
00:30:01.035 --> 00:30:01.545
These are all bad things.
1236
00:30:02.165 --> 00:30:02.464
We can be like,
1237
00:30:02.505 --> 00:30:02.905
oh well,
1238
00:30:02.974 --> 00:30:04.265
both parties are pretty bad,
1239
00:30:04.505 --> 00:30:05.614
but like we have to,
1240
00:30:05.665 --> 00:30:06.864
when they go to the ballot office,
1241
00:30:06.944 --> 00:30:08.665
when I go to the ballot office as a voter,
1242
00:30:08.864 --> 00:30:10.385
I have to actually put in a vote.
1243
00:30:10.444 --> 00:30:11.464
I have to decide Democrat.
1244
00:30:11.630 --> 00:30:14.699
A Republican or throw my vote away and vote for some third party,
1245
00:30:14.939 --> 00:30:15.709
libertarian.
1246
00:30:16.229 --> 00:30:18.550
If I'm picking between those and there's one candidate
1247
00:30:18.550 --> 00:30:20.250
who just brought us into a war in Iran,
1248
00:30:20.550 --> 00:30:22.030
is causing this massive conflict,
1249
00:30:22.229 --> 00:30:23.339
tons of human suffering,
1250
00:30:23.550 --> 00:30:24.229
that's foreign.
1251
00:30:24.390 --> 00:30:25.209
That's foreign policy.
1252
00:30:25.390 --> 00:30:26.150
Domestically,
1253
00:30:26.270 --> 00:30:28.469
we see ICE attacks on American citizens.
1254
00:30:28.540 --> 00:30:33.689
We see 56 people dying in ICE detention camps in just a singular year.
1255
00:30:33.829 --> 00:30:35.109
You compare that to under Obama,
1256
00:30:35.189 --> 00:30:36.300
the deporter in chief.
1257
00:30:36.469 --> 00:30:37.670
Across 8 years,
1258
00:30:37.829 --> 00:30:39.229
52 people died.
1259
00:30:39.515 --> 00:30:39.834
Way,
1260
00:30:39.994 --> 00:30:40.194
way,
1261
00:30:40.354 --> 00:30:41.055
way fewer.
1262
00:30:41.275 --> 00:30:43.594
What we're seeing is dangerous conditions domestically.
1263
00:30:43.875 --> 00:30:44.994
Way more people are dying,
1264
00:30:45.194 --> 00:30:45.314
right?
1265
00:30:45.385 --> 00:30:47.635
We have a lot of this like qualitative discussion.
1266
00:30:47.834 --> 00:30:49.314
You bring up a lot of anecdotes,
1267
00:30:49.474 --> 00:30:51.714
but if you actually like quantify the number of
1268
00:30:51.714 --> 00:30:54.055
deaths that are occurring through these authoritarian mechanisms,
1269
00:30:54.114 --> 00:30:54.675
it's very,
1270
00:30:54.795 --> 00:30:56.224
very clear that when I vote,
1271
00:30:56.314 --> 00:30:58.875
I'm choosing the lesser of two evils and voting Democrat.
1272
00:30:58.964 --> 00:30:59.234
Let's talk,
1273
00:30:59.314 --> 00:31:01.035
let's talk about a few structures of authoritarianism.
1274
00:31:01.255 --> 00:31:01.265
Uh,
1275
00:31:01.474 --> 00:31:01.535
we'll,
1276
00:31:01.635 --> 00:31:03.175
we'll go with 2016,
1277
00:31:03.474 --> 00:31:05.584
and you brought up Donald Trump subpoenaing these journalists,
1278
00:31:05.675 --> 00:31:06.155
so we'll get,
1279
00:31:06.224 --> 00:31:07.155
we'll get broad on this one.
1280
00:31:07.420 --> 00:31:08.099
In 2016,
1281
00:31:08.180 --> 00:31:10.209
Gizmodo published an article that Facebook had been,
1282
00:31:10.300 --> 00:31:12.969
had been suppressing news and information from conservative outlets.
1283
00:31:13.260 --> 00:31:13.939
This is Gizmodo.
1284
00:31:14.020 --> 00:31:14.829
They're a progressive outlet.
1285
00:31:14.859 --> 00:31:15.060
In fact,
1286
00:31:15.099 --> 00:31:16.479
I worked for the company that owned them,
1287
00:31:16.489 --> 00:31:17.170
and I,
1288
00:31:17.260 --> 00:31:18.859
I was a Bernie supporter in 2016.
1289
00:31:19.150 --> 00:31:22.430
And so agreeing with this reporting and knowing the reporters behind it,
1290
00:31:22.510 --> 00:31:23.430
I reported this.
1291
00:31:23.780 --> 00:31:24.660
NBC News,
1292
00:31:24.750 --> 00:31:26.430
all of these major institutions then claimed
1293
00:31:26.430 --> 00:31:28.369
I was a right-wing conspiracy theorist.
1294
00:31:28.810 --> 00:31:29.449
Let me finish,
1295
00:31:29.630 --> 00:31:29.750
for,
1296
00:31:29.869 --> 00:31:29.989
for,
1297
00:31:30.189 --> 00:31:32.729
for claiming that these things were happening that they reported on.
1298
00:31:33.040 --> 00:31:34.380
Then what we learned is that
1299
00:31:34.550 --> 00:31:34.920
under,
1300
00:31:35.030 --> 00:31:35.530
under
1301
00:31:35.750 --> 00:31:36.170
Obama,
1302
00:31:36.349 --> 00:31:37.530
under Obama and under Biden,
1303
00:31:37.589 --> 00:31:38.189
and don't get me wrong,
1304
00:31:38.270 --> 00:31:39.250
this was under Trump as well,
1305
00:31:39.670 --> 00:31:41.260
there was an active effort from the FBI.
1306
00:31:41.300 --> 00:31:41.400
They,
1307
00:31:41.469 --> 00:31:43.849
they were given a backdoor access to Twitter and Facebook
1308
00:31:44.030 --> 00:31:44.709
to remove.
1309
00:31:44.816 --> 00:31:47.235
Content that they thought objectionable to the government
1310
00:31:47.336 --> 00:31:50.385
and it was not done at the behest of Trump or for his benefit,
1311
00:31:50.576 --> 00:31:53.255
but to the benefit of those who had been defending him in the press.
1312
00:31:53.495 --> 00:31:54.336
So notably myself,
1313
00:31:54.345 --> 00:31:56.676
who was calling out these censorship practice
1314
00:31:56.776 --> 00:31:57.365
practices.
1315
00:31:57.416 --> 00:31:59.975
I was falsely slandered and maligned by the media over this.
1316
00:32:00.456 --> 00:32:01.906
These are institutions.
1317
00:32:01.975 --> 00:32:03.495
Now when you say that Donald Trump is mad at them,
1318
00:32:03.536 --> 00:32:06.265
I agree subpoenaing journalists depending on the issue can be bad,
1319
00:32:06.416 --> 00:32:08.235
but to see that from Obama
1320
00:32:08.375 --> 00:32:09.576
through Trump and into Biden,
1321
00:32:09.936 --> 00:32:10.336
they were.
1322
00:32:10.761 --> 00:32:11.501
given access.
1323
00:32:11.722 --> 00:32:13.281
This is a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
1324
00:32:13.562 --> 00:32:14.881
It's a violation of the 1st Amendment.
1325
00:32:14.911 --> 00:32:16.602
We're missing something really important.
1326
00:32:16.802 --> 00:32:18.562
We're lumping together all of these different
1327
00:32:18.562 --> 00:32:20.041
types of sort of suppression of speech,
1328
00:32:20.202 --> 00:32:21.521
but there's a fundamental difference.
1329
00:32:21.682 --> 00:32:24.322
When we see like left-leaning suppression of speech,
1330
00:32:24.442 --> 00:32:26.462
often that happens from like a bottom up,
1331
00:32:26.521 --> 00:32:28.462
where you see what I'm taking an action.
1332
00:32:28.562 --> 00:32:28.641
No,
1333
00:32:28.682 --> 00:32:30.781
I gave you a specific example of the Biden
1334
00:32:30.781 --> 00:32:32.641
administration going to a major big tech company,
1335
00:32:32.881 --> 00:32:36.041
giving them specific instructions to remove people who are saying not.
1336
00:32:36.147 --> 00:32:37.907
We saw that in the context of COVID,
1337
00:32:38.027 --> 00:32:39.748
where vaccinations was really,
1338
00:32:39.828 --> 00:32:40.108
really important.
1339
00:32:40.187 --> 00:32:40.267
In fact,
1340
00:32:40.348 --> 00:32:43.147
800,000 lives were saved by vaccines.
1341
00:32:43.307 --> 00:32:44.017
We have a really strong,
1342
00:32:44.108 --> 00:32:47.147
you can give me every reason for why you want to be an authoritarian.
1343
00:32:47.228 --> 00:32:48.108
They always have a reason,
1344
00:32:48.147 --> 00:32:49.258
and saving lives is always wonderful.
1345
00:32:49.378 --> 00:32:51.937
There's a fundamental difference between suppressing free speech on,
1346
00:32:52.387 --> 00:32:52.547
say,
1347
00:32:52.628 --> 00:32:53.468
the war in Iran,
1348
00:32:53.478 --> 00:32:56.248
where there's really bad stuff going on and we need to talk about it,
1349
00:32:56.458 --> 00:32:56.947
and say,
1350
00:32:57.057 --> 00:32:58.508
spreading vaccine misinformation.
1351
00:32:58.748 --> 00:33:01.667
In the US we've had really long moral versus.
1352
00:33:01.813 --> 00:33:03.213
Differences of importance and that's fine.
1353
00:33:03.343 --> 00:33:04.973
Clear and present danger test but we're
1354
00:33:04.973 --> 00:33:07.813
talking about authoritarianism has many different reasons.
1355
00:33:07.894 --> 00:33:08.354
Did you think
1356
00:33:08.654 --> 00:33:11.014
that all the tyrants of the world never gave a reason as to why they,
1357
00:33:11.053 --> 00:33:12.134
they needed absolute authority?
1358
00:33:12.213 --> 00:33:12.874
They always did,
1359
00:33:12.894 --> 00:33:13.644
and they always do.
1360
00:33:13.774 --> 00:33:15.963
And even today it's the case whether it's Trump or anybody else.
1361
00:33:16.173 --> 00:33:17.994
So when Biden's administration said,
1362
00:33:18.254 --> 00:33:19.774
because COVID misinformation kills,
1363
00:33:19.973 --> 00:33:21.134
we will silence you,
1364
00:33:21.254 --> 00:33:22.293
that's authoritarianism.
1365
00:33:22.453 --> 00:33:23.894
You can argue that you agree with it,
1366
00:33:23.973 --> 00:33:25.413
but it still is authoritarianism.
1367
00:33:25.614 --> 00:33:27.374
How about we can use Cuomo in New York as an example.
1368
00:33:27.800 --> 00:33:30.619
He shut down churches in violation of the First Amendment,
1369
00:33:30.760 --> 00:33:32.040
and when he was sued and lost,
1370
00:33:32.199 --> 00:33:34.420
he issued a secondary executive order changing
1371
00:33:34.420 --> 00:33:36.619
the words to keep the churches closed.
1372
00:33:36.849 --> 00:33:38.140
That is authoritarianism.
1373
00:33:38.189 --> 00:33:38.640
And you,
1374
00:33:38.760 --> 00:33:40.859
you right now defending it is my point.
1375
00:33:41.040 --> 00:33:43.920
I have no problem saying Trump should not go after journalists,
1376
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.780
but you seem to have a problem saying that the Democratic
1377
00:33:46.780 --> 00:33:48.630
administrations should not be doing what they're doing as well.
1378
00:33:48.719 --> 00:33:48.839
OK,
1379
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:49.319
pause,
1380
00:33:49.439 --> 00:33:49.880
pause.
1381
00:33:49.939 --> 00:33:51.280
You've been voted out by the majority.
1382
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:52.239
Please return to your seat.
1383
00:33:52.479 --> 00:33:52.560
Yeah,
1384
00:33:52.569 --> 00:33:52.579
yeah,
1385
00:33:52.589 --> 00:33:52.599
yeah.
1386
00:33:56.030 --> 00:33:57.400
If you'd like to be the next debater,
1387
00:33:57.560 --> 00:34:01.020
please get to the chair in 321.
1388
00:34:03.229 --> 00:34:03.839
Long distance from back.
1389
00:34:04.380 --> 00:34:05.010
You made it.
1390
00:34:05.150 --> 00:34:06.170
I'm surprised you made it.
1391
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:12.290
So one of the key parts about authoritarianism is influence over elections,
1392
00:34:12.540 --> 00:34:17.010
and we've seen that throughout the history of right wing and left wing,
1393
00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:18.399
the right wing
1394
00:34:18.580 --> 00:34:21.580
side of this country has constantly been election deniers.
1395
00:34:21.899 --> 00:34:22.418
Famously,
1396
00:34:22.449 --> 00:34:26.010
Trump tried to find votes in Georgia to win the 2020 election,
1397
00:34:26.290 --> 00:34:28.560
and now we're seeing that they're claiming voter fraud
1398
00:34:28.699 --> 00:34:30.780
in the city of Los Angeles mayor's race.
1399
00:34:30.850 --> 00:34:30.860
Well,
1400
00:34:30.938 --> 00:34:31.620
can I ask you a question?
1401
00:34:32.139 --> 00:34:32.250
Uh,
1402
00:34:32.340 --> 00:34:32.719
how many,
1403
00:34:32.899 --> 00:34:33.199
uh,
1404
00:34:33.250 --> 00:34:33.330
uh,
1405
00:34:33.418 --> 00:34:36.080
how many presidential elections in the last 20 years were denied by Democrats?
1406
00:34:37.340 --> 00:34:38.418
Were denied by Democrats.
1407
00:34:38.500 --> 00:34:38.540
Yes,
1408
00:34:38.659 --> 00:34:40.800
but mainstream members of Congress going on the floor,
1409
00:34:40.938 --> 00:34:41.610
rejecting it.
1410
00:34:41.860 --> 00:34:42.110
None,
1411
00:34:42.340 --> 00:34:42.860
all of them.
1412
00:34:44.509 --> 00:34:49.299
Do you see the Democratic Party trying to create an alternate slate of electors
1413
00:34:49.478 --> 00:34:52.549
to actually try and overturn a democratically elected,
1414
00:34:52.708 --> 00:34:53.438
certainly a different argument,
1415
00:34:53.518 --> 00:34:53.839
but no,
1416
00:34:53.978 --> 00:34:53.989
that,
1417
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:54.589
that was in,
1418
00:34:54.628 --> 00:34:54.789
uh,
1419
00:34:54.799 --> 00:34:54.878
I,
1420
00:34:54.958 --> 00:34:56.408
I think that would have been 1960,
1421
00:34:56.478 --> 00:34:56.728
but.
1422
00:34:57.020 --> 00:34:58.350
Certainly not in the last 20 years.
1423
00:34:58.469 --> 00:34:58.969
So,
1424
00:34:59.020 --> 00:34:59.179
uh,
1425
00:34:59.189 --> 00:35:03.389
we can completely agree Trump's efforts in 2020 were substantially different
1426
00:35:03.629 --> 00:35:03.879
from,
1427
00:35:03.989 --> 00:35:04.120
say,
1428
00:35:04.179 --> 00:35:06.310
a handful of members of Congress and high profile
1429
00:35:06.310 --> 00:35:08.510
personalities coming out and saying the election is illegitimate.
1430
00:35:08.669 --> 00:35:09.469
But I will say,
1431
00:35:09.669 --> 00:35:11.340
while it is not particularly mainstream,
1432
00:35:11.389 --> 00:35:11.500
there,
1433
00:35:11.629 --> 00:35:13.389
there actively are groups across social media
1434
00:35:13.389 --> 00:35:14.590
that believe the election was stolen,
1435
00:35:14.629 --> 00:35:16.330
just go on threads for for a few minutes.
1436
00:35:16.510 --> 00:35:17.100
threads.
1437
00:35:17.110 --> 00:35:18.350
You will see tons of.
1438
00:35:18.405 --> 00:35:20.175
Progressives arguing the election was stolen.
1439
00:35:20.495 --> 00:35:21.245
Tons of bots,
1440
00:35:21.304 --> 00:35:21.534
you know,
1441
00:35:21.645 --> 00:35:22.114
I'm really,
1442
00:35:22.245 --> 00:35:23.205
you don't think the internet,
1443
00:35:23.215 --> 00:35:23.604
theory.
1444
00:35:24.205 --> 00:35:24.965
I agree with the
1445
00:35:25.114 --> 00:35:25.604
theory actually.
1446
00:35:25.764 --> 00:35:26.074
So,
1447
00:35:26.514 --> 00:35:26.685
so look,
1448
00:35:26.804 --> 00:35:26.875
but,
1449
00:35:26.965 --> 00:35:27.044
but,
1450
00:35:27.125 --> 00:35:29.844
so then if you're talking about the right or to the left overall again,
1451
00:35:29.925 --> 00:35:31.794
we are talking about the overall picture here.
1452
00:35:32.084 --> 00:35:33.604
Where is the majority of this coming from?
1453
00:35:33.715 --> 00:35:33.725
Well,
1454
00:35:33.764 --> 00:35:33.925
let me,
1455
00:35:33.985 --> 00:35:34.524
let me ask you a question.
1456
00:35:34.564 --> 00:35:35.544
You mentioned California.
1457
00:35:36.205 --> 00:35:36.554
Uh,
1458
00:35:36.685 --> 00:35:37.564
I wanna ask you a question.
1459
00:35:37.685 --> 00:35:37.885
Uh,
1460
00:35:38.004 --> 00:35:38.205
let's,
1461
00:35:38.274 --> 00:35:39.864
let's say there's an election that takes place
1462
00:35:40.205 --> 00:35:42.844
and a ballot comes in 3 days after that election.
1463
00:35:43.080 --> 00:35:45.120
It's signed with a picture of Mickey Mouse,
1464
00:35:45.189 --> 00:35:46.260
and it's hand dated.
1465
00:35:46.560 --> 00:35:48.229
Do you think that is a real vote?
1466
00:35:48.560 --> 00:35:49.000
So guess what?
1467
00:35:49.040 --> 00:35:49.840
In California,
1468
00:35:49.919 --> 00:35:51.280
when you don't have a correct signature,
1469
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.179
you can do this thing called ballot hearing,
1470
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.040
where you take that ballot back to the voter and you say,
1471
00:35:55.120 --> 00:35:55.949
is this really you?
1472
00:35:56.080 --> 00:35:57.610
And you have to get that signature again.
1473
00:35:57.989 --> 00:35:58.360
And that.
1474
00:35:58.554 --> 00:36:00.635
I don't think they registered with the Mickey Mouse signature.
1475
00:36:00.715 --> 00:36:00.814
Well,
1476
00:36:00.875 --> 00:36:02.195
that's actually legal in California.
1477
00:36:02.235 --> 00:36:02.475
In fact,
1478
00:36:02.554 --> 00:36:02.754
the,
1479
00:36:02.834 --> 00:36:03.705
the example given,
1480
00:36:03.794 --> 00:36:04.215
I think,
1481
00:36:04.314 --> 00:36:06.695
in Santa Barbara is a Kirby Starr image.
1482
00:36:06.995 --> 00:36:07.695
Now the challenge,
1483
00:36:07.715 --> 00:36:07.895
uh,
1484
00:36:07.905 --> 00:36:08.635
with this is,
1485
00:36:08.745 --> 00:36:08.834
and,
1486
00:36:08.844 --> 00:36:11.034
and that's why I'm not a fan of the fraud argument from Republicans.
1487
00:36:11.114 --> 00:36:11.435
I just stop,
1488
00:36:11.534 --> 00:36:12.235
stop saying fraud.
1489
00:36:12.274 --> 00:36:13.725
This is legal in California.
1490
00:36:14.034 --> 00:36:14.715
In California,
1491
00:36:14.754 --> 00:36:17.415
you can draw a picture of Kirby Starr in any manifestation.
1492
00:36:17.635 --> 00:36:19.195
Now the problem is signatures are supposed to
1493
00:36:19.195 --> 00:36:20.544
be unique to an individual because they're,
1494
00:36:20.794 --> 00:36:21.034
they're,
1495
00:36:21.235 --> 00:36:22.274
they would be falsifiable,
1496
00:36:22.475 --> 00:36:23.945
meaning I've never seen your signature before.
1497
00:36:24.074 --> 00:36:24.834
How can I match it?
1498
00:36:25.179 --> 00:36:26.139
But if you sign,
1499
00:36:26.310 --> 00:36:26.379
uh,
1500
00:36:26.429 --> 00:36:27.090
if you sign up,
1501
00:36:27.350 --> 00:36:28.949
if register to vote with a picture of Kirby,
1502
00:36:29.550 --> 00:36:31.070
anyone in the world can draw the picture of Kirby.
1503
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:32.110
So in California,
1504
00:36:32.189 --> 00:36:32.979
the challenge that I,
1505
00:36:33.169 --> 00:36:34.389
not everybody has the same name,
1506
00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:35.590
the same Social Security.
1507
00:36:35.669 --> 00:36:35.879
I know,
1508
00:36:36.560 --> 00:36:37.260
but the point is,
1509
00:36:37.310 --> 00:36:39.229
if a ballot is received by a homeless shelter,
1510
00:36:39.550 --> 00:36:41.649
anyone can fill it out and draw a picture of Kirby Starr.
1511
00:36:42.149 --> 00:36:44.659
So there's a limited number of ballots that get sent to registered
1512
00:36:44.659 --> 00:36:47.989
voters who are registered with the state and universal mail-in voting.
1513
00:36:48.100 --> 00:36:48.649
And for instance,
1514
00:36:48.709 --> 00:36:50.229
there was a homeless shelter in Venice Beach that
1515
00:36:50.229 --> 00:36:52.489
received 185 mail-in votes despite no one living there.
1516
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:53.350
And so yes,
1517
00:36:53.600 --> 00:36:55.879
because people that live on the street have addresses registered
1518
00:36:55.879 --> 00:36:57.879
to shelters completely don't have anywhere else to get mail.
1519
00:36:57.919 --> 00:37:00.760
And so what we've already seen is undercover video
1520
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:03.439
showing that activists do go to places like Skid Row
1521
00:37:03.600 --> 00:37:05.560
and secure a voter registration
1522
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:06.750
where in one video,
1523
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.629
a man who's clearly not a woman says his name is Teresa.
1524
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:09.760
Sure,
1525
00:37:09.879 --> 00:37:10.580
he'll fill it out.
1526
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:13.479
Now the problem is that man will fill this out under the name Teresa.
1527
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:14.260
He will sign,
1528
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:15.040
he'll put an X,
1529
00:37:15.149 --> 00:37:15.479
a mark,
1530
00:37:15.520 --> 00:37:16.739
which is legal in California.
1531
00:37:16.959 --> 00:37:17.959
The other issue is that.
1532
00:37:18.040 --> 00:37:19.139
Ballots can be received,
1533
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:20.500
so it,
1534
00:37:20.560 --> 00:37:21.310
it gets complicated,
1535
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:22.399
but in California,
1536
00:37:22.520 --> 00:37:24.320
if a ballot is received before the election,
1537
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:25.389
it can be hand dated.
1538
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:26.879
If it's received after the election,
1539
00:37:26.919 --> 00:37:28.120
it has to be postdated.
1540
00:37:28.209 --> 00:37:28.629
However,
1541
00:37:28.870 --> 00:37:31.300
a ballot can only be rejected if two independent
1542
00:37:31.560 --> 00:37:33.459
independent officials can prove beyond a reasonable doubt
1543
00:37:33.459 --> 00:37:35.139
it has violated one of these tenants.
1544
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.750
So I do take issue with Republicans saying voter fraud,
1545
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.840
voter fraud all the time when it's legal to do this in California.
1546
00:37:41.120 --> 00:37:42.239
But I think if you go to a regular,
1547
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:43.199
a regular American and say.
1548
00:37:43.629 --> 00:37:44.590
You ask him this question,
1549
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:45.520
and I'll ask you this question.
1550
00:37:45.600 --> 00:37:47.560
How did Nitia Raman surpass Karen Bass,
1551
00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:50.280
both Democrats in mail-in votes only after Election Day?
1552
00:37:50.520 --> 00:37:50.699
Because
1553
00:37:51.040 --> 00:37:53.620
young people vote later and Nita Raman won the young vote.
1554
00:37:53.919 --> 00:37:54.000
Well,
1555
00:37:54.100 --> 00:37:54.110
the,
1556
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:54.300
the,
1557
00:37:54.399 --> 00:37:57.340
the truth is that the DSA on their website advocates for ballot harvesting,
1558
00:37:57.399 --> 00:37:57.800
which is legal,
1559
00:37:57.879 --> 00:37:58.629
and they're allowed to do it,
1560
00:37:58.639 --> 00:37:59.139
and
1561
00:37:59.560 --> 00:38:00.000
more power to them.
1562
00:38:00.060 --> 00:38:00.560
It's very smart.
1563
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:01.389
So do the Republicans.
1564
00:38:01.439 --> 00:38:03.510
They go to security to senior centers all
1565
00:38:03.510 --> 00:38:05.100
across the country and we're gonna pause here.
1566
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:07.070
You've been voted out by the majority.
1567
00:38:07.479 --> 00:38:08.000
Good talking with you.
1568
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:12.520
If you'd like to be the next debater,
1569
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.080
please get to the chair in 321.
1570
00:38:18.229 --> 00:38:19.060
No contest
1571
00:38:19.260 --> 00:38:19.919
likewise
1572
00:38:20.479 --> 00:38:22.580
elections as you were talking about the other person before,
1573
00:38:22.659 --> 00:38:23.719
I think are sacred.
1574
00:38:23.889 --> 00:38:25.600
I think elections are sacred
1575
00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:28.320
and I believe that they are the most fundamental thing
1576
00:38:29.439 --> 00:38:30.919
to American values and democracy.
1577
00:38:31.459 --> 00:38:32.600
We have never seen.
1578
00:38:33.100 --> 00:38:34.320
Ever in American history,
1579
00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:37.479
the attempt to subvert a free and fair election
1580
00:38:37.620 --> 00:38:40.810
compared to how Donald Trump and his cronies did on January 6th,
1581
00:38:41.020 --> 00:38:43.979
and I think that it's absolutely ridiculous to claim
1582
00:38:44.080 --> 00:38:46.159
that that is somehow comparable
1583
00:38:46.300 --> 00:38:47.939
to the Biden administration,
1584
00:38:48.179 --> 00:38:48.530
uh,
1585
00:38:48.540 --> 00:38:52.139
talking to Facebook and certain social media platforms to ban Donald Trump.
1586
00:38:52.504 --> 00:38:52.985
When
1587
00:38:53.425 --> 00:38:56.655
social media platforms have been under attack by Donald Trump as well,
1588
00:38:56.864 --> 00:39:00.344
we had in Florida how the right now chair of the RNC was,
1589
00:39:00.425 --> 00:39:01.205
is now,
1590
00:39:01.425 --> 00:39:01.655
uh,
1591
00:39:01.665 --> 00:39:02.445
pursuing
1592
00:39:02.864 --> 00:39:03.945
legal action
1593
00:39:04.504 --> 00:39:05.165
against,
1594
00:39:05.264 --> 00:39:05.705
uh,
1595
00:39:05.715 --> 00:39:06.155
Facebook,
1596
00:39:06.304 --> 00:39:06.635
Twitter,
1597
00:39:06.705 --> 00:39:07.145
etc.
1598
00:39:07.425 --> 00:39:08.665
for banning Donald Trump,
1599
00:39:08.824 --> 00:39:11.364
which was a decision that they made.
1600
00:39:11.860 --> 00:39:13.330
Without Biden's interference,
1601
00:39:13.419 --> 00:39:13.459
well,
1602
00:39:13.540 --> 00:39:13.570
I,
1603
00:39:13.689 --> 00:39:14.050
I don't think,
1604
00:39:14.139 --> 00:39:16.439
I don't think arguing like a civil litigation is a,
1605
00:39:16.770 --> 00:39:16.899
it's,
1606
00:39:16.979 --> 00:39:17.370
it's hard to,
1607
00:39:17.419 --> 00:39:19.560
it's hard to argue civil litigation as a big political issue.
1608
00:39:19.580 --> 00:39:19.709
If,
1609
00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:20.179
if there was,
1610
00:39:20.260 --> 00:39:23.260
if there was a contract violation committed by a company and Trump wants to sue them.
1611
00:39:23.580 --> 00:39:24.939
Certainly if you have the opinion,
1612
00:39:24.979 --> 00:39:26.050
you don't believe that there's,
1613
00:39:26.260 --> 00:39:28.679
you believe there's malice there's the current RNC chair,
1614
00:39:29.100 --> 00:39:29.209
right,
1615
00:39:29.300 --> 00:39:29.340
right,
1616
00:39:29.419 --> 00:39:29.540
right.
1617
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:29.649
My,
1618
00:39:29.979 --> 00:39:30.030
my,
1619
00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:33.360
my argument is pursuing like regulatory action against them
1620
00:39:33.540 --> 00:39:34.659
for banning Donald Trump,
1621
00:39:34.820 --> 00:39:34.939
right?
1622
00:39:35.020 --> 00:39:35.129
So,
1623
00:39:35.260 --> 00:39:36.439
so these are civil issues
1624
00:39:36.540 --> 00:39:37.699
and the challenge is,
1625
00:39:37.939 --> 00:39:38.739
I don't know the facts.
1626
00:39:38.780 --> 00:39:39.610
You don't know the facts.
1627
00:39:39.780 --> 00:39:41.419
You don't think civil issues can be political.
1628
00:39:41.580 --> 00:39:42.100
They certainly can,
1629
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:43.479
but the point I'm making is that
1630
00:39:44.020 --> 00:39:47.100
sometimes companies do bad things and we need regulatory bodies to go after them.
1631
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:48.350
I'm I'm in favor of that.
1632
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:49.439
Now the question is,
1633
00:39:49.520 --> 00:39:50.830
are the Republicans bad for doing it?
1634
00:39:50.909 --> 00:39:51.129
Honestly,
1635
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.120
I don't know because I don't know the underlying issues of the case.
1636
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:53.669
Maybe they are,
1637
00:39:53.739 --> 00:39:54.189
maybe they're not.
1638
00:39:54.250 --> 00:39:55.239
So I'll bring up another instance.
1639
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:55.479
I mean,
1640
00:39:55.520 --> 00:39:56.270
in Massachusetts,
1641
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:56.889
for example,
1642
00:39:57.120 --> 00:39:59.439
we just had two Republicans who were
1643
00:39:59.439 --> 00:40:01.500
running for Attorney General and lieutenant governor
1644
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.300
who were literally faking signatures on their ballots up,
1645
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:07.600
literal dead people lock them who,
1646
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:07.870
and,
1647
00:40:07.919 --> 00:40:09.239
and if you look at the papers,
1648
00:40:09.520 --> 00:40:10.780
they're the same signature.
1649
00:40:10.939 --> 00:40:11.739
Down the ballot,
1650
00:40:11.899 --> 00:40:17.080
it's the same person this uh out this uh third party that they hired who was literally
1651
00:40:17.620 --> 00:40:19.879
didn't have the same exact handwriting
1652
00:40:20.020 --> 00:40:20.340
and they,
1653
00:40:20.379 --> 00:40:21.959
they tried like to lock them up
1654
00:40:22.179 --> 00:40:25.260
thousands of signatures across Massachusetts were
1655
00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:26.729
then considered moot because they were
1656
00:40:26.729 --> 00:40:30.840
literal dead people from all across the state and those are two Republicans
1657
00:40:31.020 --> 00:40:31.820
and you have,
1658
00:40:31.899 --> 00:40:32.179
I mean,
1659
00:40:32.409 --> 00:40:34.370
there are countless instances of Republicans,
1660
00:40:34.379 --> 00:40:34.500
not.
1661
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:35.300
Donald Trump
1662
00:40:35.479 --> 00:40:37.520
trying to subvert American elections,
1663
00:40:37.600 --> 00:40:41.540
and I think that is one of the most authoritarian things that anybody
1664
00:40:41.540 --> 00:40:44.360
in this country can do is to subvert the free and fair elections.
1665
00:40:44.750 --> 00:40:44.870
United States,
1666
00:40:45.149 --> 00:40:47.419
I think certainly that we have a problem with
1667
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:48.209
two,
1668
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:50.379
ancient political parties.
1669
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:51.280
I think the real,
1670
00:40:51.520 --> 00:40:52.360
the real big picture is here,
1671
00:40:52.439 --> 00:40:52.719
and I'm not,
1672
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:54.139
and I'm not saying this to dismiss your,
1673
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:54.389
uh,
1674
00:40:54.479 --> 00:40:54.629
your,
1675
00:40:54.699 --> 00:40:54.959
your,
1676
00:40:55.080 --> 00:40:55.360
your,
1677
00:40:55.560 --> 00:40:56.719
your anger over what these Republicans did.
1678
00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:56.949
That's,
1679
00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:58.199
you're certainly warranted to believe that.
1680
00:40:58.580 --> 00:40:58.699
Uh,
1681
00:40:58.750 --> 00:40:59.020
I agree.
1682
00:40:59.070 --> 00:41:00.389
I think they should go to jail for that stuff.
1683
00:41:00.629 --> 00:41:02.949
The problem is both political parties are playing this,
1684
00:41:03.030 --> 00:41:06.729
this procedural game of trying to steal elections through the pop procedure
1685
00:41:07.030 --> 00:41:07.820
instead of convincing people.
1686
00:41:07.870 --> 00:41:10.550
The Republicans are redistricting in all of these different
1687
00:41:10.550 --> 00:41:12.570
states to give themselves January 6th was procedure.
1688
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:13.399
I'm not,
1689
00:41:13.479 --> 00:41:13.600
I'm,
1690
00:41:13.709 --> 00:41:13.909
I'm,
1691
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.060
I'm talking right now about
1692
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:16.199
both parties and,
1693
00:41:16.399 --> 00:41:16.439
yeah,
1694
00:41:16.580 --> 00:41:18.120
certainly January 6th was a riot and it was very,
1695
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:18.639
very bad.
1696
00:41:18.879 --> 00:41:18.989
You,
1697
00:41:19.120 --> 00:41:19.280
we can,
1698
00:41:19.389 --> 00:41:19.409
we can,
1699
00:41:19.600 --> 00:41:20.540
we can agree on those things.
1700
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.719
I'm saying that both parties have these procedural efforts to increase their,
1701
00:41:23.790 --> 00:41:25.020
their ability to win elections.
1702
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:25.790
Right now.
1703
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:26.790
Republicans are redistricting.
1704
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:29.719
I fundamentally disagree with that because Republicans were the ones that voted
1705
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:33.500
against a bill to ban gerrymandering federally in the United States.
1706
00:41:34.139 --> 00:41:37.439
Republicans were the ones that continuously deny the fact that
1707
00:41:37.439 --> 00:41:40.280
Joe Biden won the 2020 election free and fair.
1708
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:41.239
Democrats have not.
1709
00:41:41.657 --> 00:41:42.697
Once and have been,
1710
00:41:42.818 --> 00:41:44.577
they have been very consistent on this,
1711
00:41:44.657 --> 00:41:46.447
on protecting American elections.
1712
00:41:46.488 --> 00:41:47.218
It's in our name.
1713
00:41:47.617 --> 00:41:51.458
Democrats in 2016 accused Donald Trump and his associates of being Russian assets
1714
00:41:51.458 --> 00:41:53.978
and trying to steal the election at the pest of a foreign adversary,
1715
00:41:54.218 --> 00:41:57.018
going so far to accuse the President of the United States of treason.
1716
00:41:57.298 --> 00:41:59.498
There was a multi-year investigation that cost tens of
1717
00:41:59.498 --> 00:42:01.298
millions of dollars that ended up being nothing.
1718
00:42:01.498 --> 00:42:02.478
That's election denial.
1719
00:42:02.657 --> 00:42:04.857
Now I don't think that's as bad as a bunch of people storming the Capitol.
1720
00:42:04.937 --> 00:42:06.827
That's terrifying and substantially worse,
1721
00:42:07.008 --> 00:42:07.998
physical violence.
1722
00:42:08.218 --> 00:42:08.478
But
1723
00:42:08.657 --> 00:42:08.778
yeah,
1724
00:42:08.857 --> 00:42:09.538
I think if you look.
1725
00:42:09.635 --> 00:42:11.466
Back at the history of this country going back decades,
1726
00:42:11.635 --> 00:42:13.545
it would be a bit naive to say that
1727
00:42:13.756 --> 00:42:15.275
the political parties aren't doing everything in
1728
00:42:15.275 --> 00:42:16.895
their power to steal power from each other
1729
00:42:17.156 --> 00:42:17.275
again,
1730
00:42:17.395 --> 00:42:18.216
so I mean we can,
1731
00:42:18.595 --> 00:42:19.815
I don't want to pivot to Mueller,
1732
00:42:20.035 --> 00:42:20.145
um,
1733
00:42:20.236 --> 00:42:21.125
which in fact also,
1734
00:42:21.285 --> 00:42:21.305
also when
1735
00:42:23.635 --> 00:42:23.746
when Mueller,
1736
00:42:24.385 --> 00:42:25.186
when Mueller passed away,
1737
00:42:25.275 --> 00:42:25.795
rest in peace,
1738
00:42:25.875 --> 00:42:26.726
an American hero,
1739
00:42:26.986 --> 00:42:27.285
uh,
1740
00:42:27.476 --> 00:42:27.716
he,
1741
00:42:27.956 --> 00:42:28.785
Donald Trump literally said,
1742
00:42:29.236 --> 00:42:32.395
I'm glad he's dead and he no longer can hurt innocent people.
1743
00:42:32.575 --> 00:42:32.615
I know.
1744
00:42:32.756 --> 00:42:33.226
So like,
1745
00:42:33.236 --> 00:42:33.466
again,
1746
00:42:33.916 --> 00:42:35.466
another instance of Republicans,
1747
00:42:35.476 --> 00:42:37.676
I would consider threats against people like that.
1748
00:42:37.813 --> 00:42:38.333
Throw him out there.
1749
00:42:38.374 --> 00:42:38.763
When he said that,
1750
00:42:38.773 --> 00:42:39.573
I said it was disgusting.
1751
00:42:39.733 --> 00:42:39.854
I mean,
1752
00:42:39.894 --> 00:42:40.573
it's horrifying.
1753
00:42:40.894 --> 00:42:41.374
But it doesn't,
1754
00:42:41.493 --> 00:42:43.364
doesn't change the fact that Bernie Sanders,
1755
00:42:43.854 --> 00:42:46.134
Bernie Sanders had the election taken away from him illicitly.
1756
00:42:46.224 --> 00:42:46.593
I think,
1757
00:42:46.974 --> 00:42:47.083
uh,
1758
00:42:47.093 --> 00:42:47.954
in 2016,
1759
00:42:48.013 --> 00:42:49.164
I was fervent for Bernie.
1760
00:42:49.174 --> 00:42:52.243
He was talking about securing borders because the Koch brothers,
1761
00:42:52.293 --> 00:42:52.884
industrialists,
1762
00:42:52.894 --> 00:42:53.974
wanted to bring in cheap labor.
1763
00:42:54.214 --> 00:42:56.573
He was talking about getting better wages for the working class,
1764
00:42:56.773 --> 00:42:57.593
supporting unions,
1765
00:42:57.773 --> 00:43:00.833
and I said this is the only guy who's been speaking to issues for the past 20 years
1766
00:43:00.934 --> 00:43:02.813
that actually matter to the right to working class American people.
1767
00:43:03.003 --> 00:43:03.974
And what did the Democratic,
1768
00:43:04.174 --> 00:43:04.454
absolutely,
1769
00:43:04.533 --> 00:43:05.833
and what did the Democratic Party do?
1770
00:43:06.031 --> 00:43:08.312
They use superdelegates to make sure he could not win.
1771
00:43:08.632 --> 00:43:08.872
OK,
1772
00:43:09.031 --> 00:43:09.711
so first off,
1773
00:43:09.791 --> 00:43:10.271
I actually,
1774
00:43:10.521 --> 00:43:10.552
I'm,
1775
00:43:10.632 --> 00:43:11.632
I'm a big fan of Bernie myself.
1776
00:43:11.751 --> 00:43:13.132
So I guess it's something you could agree on there.
1777
00:43:13.312 --> 00:43:14.511
I will say that if you,
1778
00:43:14.672 --> 00:43:16.021
you as a supporter of Donald Trump,
1779
00:43:16.072 --> 00:43:17.511
I find it kind of ironic that you
1780
00:43:17.511 --> 00:43:20.602
believe in anything closely related to Bernie Sanders.
1781
00:43:20.912 --> 00:43:21.751
I'll give you a few examples.
1782
00:43:21.912 --> 00:43:24.812
9 million people who are Democrats voted for Donald Trump in 2016.
1783
00:43:24.991 --> 00:43:25.112
Yeah,
1784
00:43:25.352 --> 00:43:25.461
and,
1785
00:43:25.552 --> 00:43:25.771
and
1786
00:43:25.912 --> 00:43:26.812
I also say
1787
00:43:27.102 --> 00:43:27.832
3 million,
1788
00:43:27.991 --> 00:43:28.662
like millions of people,
1789
00:43:28.711 --> 00:43:31.112
I think it was a couple million in West Virginia,
1790
00:43:31.312 --> 00:43:31.422
uh,
1791
00:43:31.511 --> 00:43:34.191
your state that voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary.
1792
00:43:34.250 --> 00:43:35.250
Then had to switch to Donald Trump.
1793
00:43:35.449 --> 00:43:37.050
I criticize my own party for that,
1794
00:43:37.250 --> 00:43:38.310
and I think that that was wrong.
1795
00:43:38.689 --> 00:43:39.649
My point is not,
1796
00:43:39.850 --> 00:43:42.709
my point is not that the Democratic Party has never,
1797
00:43:42.729 --> 00:43:43.030
ever,
1798
00:43:43.129 --> 00:43:43.469
ever
1799
00:43:43.889 --> 00:43:45.810
used something or participated,
1800
00:43:45.860 --> 00:43:46.129
I would say,
1801
00:43:46.139 --> 00:43:47.399
in bad faith in elections.
1802
00:43:47.570 --> 00:43:51.050
My point is that we see consistently from Republicans,
1803
00:43:51.100 --> 00:43:53.560
like consistently over and over again,
1804
00:43:54.090 --> 00:43:54.209
again,
1805
00:43:54.290 --> 00:43:56.250
I think that that's like the both parties are all bad.
1806
00:43:56.439 --> 00:43:59.409
You literally had Donald Trump try to subvert the election.
1807
00:43:59.530 --> 00:44:00.870
You've been voted out by the majority.
1808
00:44:01.129 --> 00:44:01.620
Good talking with you,
1809
00:44:01.649 --> 00:44:01.860
man.
1810
00:44:02.020 --> 00:44:02.080
Good.
1811
00:44:06.439 --> 00:44:07.649
If you'd like to be the next debater,
1812
00:44:07.810 --> 00:44:10.969
please head to the chair in 321.
1813
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:14.040
Nice to meet you.
1814
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:14.590
Nice to meet you.
1815
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:15.080
Thanks for coming.
1816
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:15.629
Appreciate it.
1817
00:44:15.689 --> 00:44:16.179
So
1818
00:44:16.439 --> 00:44:16.520
yeah,
1819
00:44:16.590 --> 00:44:18.429
you're not gonna have me defending the Democratic Party.
1820
00:44:18.439 --> 00:44:18.729
I mean,
1821
00:44:18.929 --> 00:44:19.110
let's go.
1822
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:20.399
I feel like a lot of people,
1823
00:44:20.550 --> 00:44:20.629
yeah,
1824
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.820
and I don't wanna defend Republicans moving towards,
1825
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:23.399
uh,
1826
00:44:23.439 --> 00:44:25.199
fascism on both sides.
1827
00:44:25.520 --> 00:44:25.629
Uh,
1828
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:27.580
I do want to bring up two unique things
1829
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.929
that Trump has done that no one has ever done in United States history.
1830
00:44:31.040 --> 00:44:34.729
So two is suing a pollster for a poll he didn't like in the state of Idaho.
1831
00:44:35.399 --> 00:44:37.629
And I think the biggest issue is the Israel issue.
1832
00:44:37.939 --> 00:44:39.580
So you have someone like Trump who,
1833
00:44:39.659 --> 00:44:39.860
you know,
1834
00:44:39.979 --> 00:44:41.830
sold TikTok to Larry Ellison,
1835
00:44:41.979 --> 00:44:44.360
and he also owns CBS News.
1836
00:44:45.010 --> 00:44:45.290
He also entirely,
1837
00:44:46.419 --> 00:44:46.659
right?
1838
00:44:46.780 --> 00:44:49.120
I think we both agree that's just not good where you give
1839
00:44:49.610 --> 00:44:50.979
someone a media apparatus,
1840
00:44:51.060 --> 00:44:51.219
you know,
1841
00:44:51.290 --> 00:44:53.159
and a social media apparatus like TikTok,
1842
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:54.340
um.
1843
00:44:54.979 --> 00:44:55.179
I,
1844
00:44:55.260 --> 00:44:55.419
I,
1845
00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:55.820
I,
1846
00:44:55.939 --> 00:44:56.330
uh,
1847
00:44:56.540 --> 00:44:56.739
I,
1848
00:44:56.860 --> 00:44:57.840
these things worry me for sure,
1849
00:44:58.060 --> 00:44:58.530
um,
1850
00:44:58.780 --> 00:44:58.939
I,
1851
00:44:59.020 --> 00:44:59.139
you know,
1852
00:44:59.219 --> 00:44:59.560
I think,
1853
00:44:59.620 --> 00:45:02.370
I think where we're gonna agree with like Democrat and Republicans is,
1854
00:45:02.379 --> 00:45:02.489
uh,
1855
00:45:02.500 --> 00:45:03.969
the issue of Israel particularly
1856
00:45:04.250 --> 00:45:04.340
that,
1857
00:45:04.419 --> 00:45:04.540
that,
1858
00:45:04.620 --> 00:45:04.939
that
1859
00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:06.209
if we're talking about authoritarianism,
1860
00:45:06.260 --> 00:45:07.949
this is why I say like don't make me defend Republicans.
1861
00:45:08.020 --> 00:45:08.979
Like there's some things I will,
1862
00:45:09.050 --> 00:45:09.379
but,
1863
00:45:09.699 --> 00:45:11.689
but the Democratic Party and the Republican Party,
1864
00:45:11.860 --> 00:45:12.010
I,
1865
00:45:12.060 --> 00:45:14.159
I feel like as an establishment
1866
00:45:14.580 --> 00:45:17.610
largely aligned with each other and then there are these like lesser issues that,
1867
00:45:17.739 --> 00:45:17.899
that,
1868
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:18.750
that divide,
1869
00:45:19.020 --> 00:45:19.570
and I think,
1870
00:45:19.580 --> 00:45:20.080
uh.
1871
00:45:20.879 --> 00:45:22.169
When you look at uh TikTok,
1872
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:22.610
when you look,
1873
00:45:22.709 --> 00:45:22.719
I,
1874
00:45:22.770 --> 00:45:22.850
I,
1875
00:45:22.909 --> 00:45:22.969
I,
1876
00:45:23.050 --> 00:45:23.669
I'll tell you this,
1877
00:45:23.889 --> 00:45:24.010
the,
1878
00:45:24.090 --> 00:45:25.550
the TikTok was sold
1879
00:45:25.879 --> 00:45:27.429
explicitly because of Israel.
1880
00:45:28.270 --> 00:45:28.280
The,
1881
00:45:28.290 --> 00:45:28.530
uh,
1882
00:45:28.729 --> 00:45:29.709
so the story is this,
1883
00:45:29.770 --> 00:45:30.050
um,
1884
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.760
initially Republicans were very mad about TikTok because
1885
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.489
it seemed to promote progressive uh content,
1886
00:45:34.649 --> 00:45:35.429
progressive ideology.
1887
00:45:36.050 --> 00:45:37.020
Republicans had been banned.
1888
00:45:37.100 --> 00:45:38.340
People supporting Trump had been banned.
1889
00:45:38.540 --> 00:45:40.449
So the Republicans come out and say we got ban TikTok.
1890
00:45:40.500 --> 00:45:40.540
We,
1891
00:45:40.739 --> 00:45:41.370
we can't do this.
1892
00:45:41.899 --> 00:45:42.820
Democrats said no,
1893
00:45:43.100 --> 00:45:45.570
but then something changed after October 7th,
1894
00:45:45.770 --> 00:45:47.280
we saw the rise of
1895
00:45:47.540 --> 00:45:49.649
conduct critical of Israel and supportive of Palestine.
1896
00:45:49.979 --> 00:45:51.500
All of a sudden the Democrats are like,
1897
00:45:51.580 --> 00:45:51.780
you know what,
1898
00:45:51.870 --> 00:45:53.780
now we agree with Republicans and we've got to ban TikTok.
1899
00:45:54.340 --> 00:45:55.620
And then Trump comes out and says no,
1900
00:45:55.659 --> 00:45:55.739
no,
1901
00:45:55.780 --> 00:45:56.649
we're not gonna ban it,
1902
00:45:56.899 --> 00:45:58.340
which he does not have the authority to do.
1903
00:45:58.419 --> 00:45:59.179
The bill was passed.
1904
00:45:59.219 --> 00:46:00.300
It was signed by the president.
1905
00:46:00.540 --> 00:46:01.370
When Trump came in office,
1906
00:46:01.419 --> 00:46:02.739
he was supposed to initiate that ban,
1907
00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:03.169
but instead,
1908
00:46:03.260 --> 00:46:03.850
what did he do?
1909
00:46:04.100 --> 00:46:05.399
He sold it to a supporter of his
1910
00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:08.399
to change the structure of that content to benefit
1911
00:46:08.699 --> 00:46:09.449
his worldview,
1912
00:46:09.459 --> 00:46:12.159
which does align largely with many establishment Democrats.
1913
00:46:12.580 --> 00:46:12.659
Yeah,
1914
00:46:12.739 --> 00:46:13.100
I agree,
1915
00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:13.790
and you know,
1916
00:46:13.889 --> 00:46:15.540
you have him sanctioning the ICC,
1917
00:46:15.620 --> 00:46:16.800
the prosecutors.
1918
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:19.449
I mean this is the fascism we're talking about
1919
00:46:19.729 --> 00:46:22.199
so when you have you know Russia and China that
1920
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.260
don't wanna participate in the the Western system this is why
1921
00:46:25.600 --> 00:46:27.260
then you have France you know that's.
1922
00:46:28.189 --> 00:46:31.189
That's trying to get away from the tech companies because
1923
00:46:31.189 --> 00:46:34.989
our own politicians in those uh uh that legislation.
1924
00:46:35.439 --> 00:46:35.590
Uh,
1925
00:46:35.649 --> 00:46:36.699
they put that they were,
1926
00:46:36.770 --> 00:46:37.050
um,
1927
00:46:37.209 --> 00:46:39.050
that any country that has these databases will,
1928
00:46:39.090 --> 00:46:40.760
will be forced to give the data to them.
1929
00:46:40.969 --> 00:46:41.250
I think,
1930
00:46:41.290 --> 00:46:42.510
so I think if,
1931
00:46:42.600 --> 00:46:44.350
if it's not a singular issue of Donald Trump,
1932
00:46:44.570 --> 00:46:44.750
like,
1933
00:46:44.850 --> 00:46:46.570
clearly the Democratic Party joined in,
1934
00:46:46.649 --> 00:46:46.810
in the,
1935
00:46:46.889 --> 00:46:49.510
in the cheering on of the banning of TikTok because of his content.
1936
00:46:49.770 --> 00:46:53.840
And so I think that just shows that we've got an authoritarian problem in this,
1937
00:46:54.050 --> 00:46:54.169
you know,
1938
00:46:54.270 --> 00:46:55.270
elite circle of
1939
00:46:55.489 --> 00:46:57.270
whatever the military industrial complex or,
1940
00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:58.729
or big banks and all of these,
1941
00:46:58.810 --> 00:46:59.120
you know,
1942
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:00.149
wealthy groups,
1943
00:47:00.370 --> 00:47:00.530
they're,
1944
00:47:00.610 --> 00:47:01.969
they're interested in similar things.
1945
00:47:02.580 --> 00:47:02.699
No,
1946
00:47:02.780 --> 00:47:02.850
yeah,
1947
00:47:02.899 --> 00:47:03.139
I agree,
1948
00:47:03.260 --> 00:47:04.219
but we're gonna pause here.
1949
00:47:04.300 --> 00:47:05.510
You've been voted out by the majority.
1950
00:47:06.139 --> 00:47:06.219
Well,
1951
00:47:06.260 --> 00:47:06.459
we got,
1952
00:47:06.540 --> 00:47:07.239
we got a little bit.
1953
00:47:07.419 --> 00:47:08.000
Nice meeting you.
1954
00:47:11.709 --> 00:47:13.239
If you'd like to be the next debater,
1955
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:16.959
please get to the chair in 321.
1956
00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:19.919
Nice to meet you.
1957
00:47:20.219 --> 00:47:21.739
Gotta say I'm not a fan of either party,
1958
00:47:21.820 --> 00:47:22.219
to be honest,
1959
00:47:22.979 --> 00:47:24.100
same boat as you on that one.
1960
00:47:26.060 --> 00:47:28.379
the left embracing authoritarianism.
1961
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:30.540
Right now that they don't have the House,
1962
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:31.750
they don't have the Senate,
1963
00:47:31.959 --> 00:47:32.919
they don't have the White House,
1964
00:47:32.959 --> 00:47:33.979
they don't have a majority
1965
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:35.110
in the Supreme Court.
1966
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:36.580
If these guys are authoritarian,
1967
00:47:36.889 --> 00:47:38.879
they're the crappest authoritarians I've ever seen.
1968
00:47:38.959 --> 00:47:41.659
They gotta go back to authoritarian school and learn how to be authoritarians.
1969
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:41.919
Well,
1970
00:47:42.030 --> 00:47:42.899
or how to win,
1971
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:43.439
right?
1972
00:47:43.600 --> 00:47:44.149
Losing,
1973
00:47:44.270 --> 00:47:45.120
you can still be an authoritarian,
1974
00:47:45.189 --> 00:47:46.120
like Nazis lose power,
1975
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:46.959
but they're still Nazis.
1976
00:47:47.040 --> 00:47:47.080
Well,
1977
00:47:47.149 --> 00:47:47.479
they're losing,
1978
00:47:47.560 --> 00:47:48.320
they're losing at all levels,
1979
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:49.139
they're losing everywhere.
1980
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:49.520
I,
1981
00:47:49.600 --> 00:47:49.860
yeah,
1982
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:50.280
yeah,
1983
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:51.639
the the Republicans crushed them,
1984
00:47:51.790 --> 00:47:53.280
and I think doesn't mean they're authoritarians though.
1985
00:47:53.550 --> 00:47:53.639
Well,
1986
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:53.840
no,
1987
00:47:53.879 --> 00:47:55.320
I mean you can be an authoritarian and lose,
1988
00:47:55.399 --> 00:47:55.659
right?
1989
00:47:56.179 --> 00:47:56.389
OK,
1990
00:47:56.469 --> 00:47:59.090
so there's 3 actual elements that we need
1991
00:47:59.350 --> 00:48:00.790
to talk about authoritarianism.
1992
00:48:00.909 --> 00:48:02.540
One is dismantling of institutions.
1993
00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:04.189
One is eliminating your opponent
1994
00:48:04.310 --> 00:48:05.310
and suspending elections.
1995
00:48:05.429 --> 00:48:05.600
Those are,
1996
00:48:05.629 --> 00:48:08.510
those are very specific claims to some authoritarians.
1997
00:48:08.750 --> 00:48:10.310
I haven't seen elements,
1998
00:48:10.429 --> 00:48:12.419
those elements present within the left at all.
1999
00:48:12.510 --> 00:48:16.439
Donald Trump was arrested several times with except with the exception of one
2000
00:48:16.830 --> 00:48:18.429
that was the eliminating opposition.
2001
00:48:18.550 --> 00:48:19.260
I did see it,
2002
00:48:19.419 --> 00:48:19.860
but it was when,
2003
00:48:19.870 --> 00:48:22.110
when they arrested Donald Trump several times and then tried to get a.
2004
00:48:22.426 --> 00:48:22.436
They,
2005
00:48:22.805 --> 00:48:24.145
they filed a suit to the Supreme Court
2006
00:48:24.406 --> 00:48:26.105
to get Trump banned from being able to run.
2007
00:48:26.525 --> 00:48:27.206
I don't remember that,
2008
00:48:27.305 --> 00:48:29.525
but I do remember you don't remember that guy at a rally going,
2009
00:48:29.645 --> 00:48:30.325
the 14th Amendment her up,
2010
00:48:30.335 --> 00:48:31.635
lock her up.
2011
00:48:31.716 --> 00:48:32.645
Who is that person again?
2012
00:48:32.686 --> 00:48:33.196
I forget.
2013
00:48:33.446 --> 00:48:33.805
All right,
2014
00:48:33.845 --> 00:48:36.486
it was the same guy who weaponized the DOJ against all his
2015
00:48:36.486 --> 00:48:40.206
political opponents or deployed the National Guard to beat down our protesters,
2016
00:48:40.476 --> 00:48:43.706
deployed to terrorize families and tear apart communities,
2017
00:48:43.845 --> 00:48:45.845
or launched the Save Act to try and
2018
00:48:46.045 --> 00:48:46.345
just
2019
00:48:46.565 --> 00:48:48.246
put voter suppression tactics in place so we could steal.
2020
00:48:48.382 --> 00:48:48.872
An election,
2021
00:48:49.102 --> 00:48:52.211
imprison protesters for 10 years for marching down the streets.
2022
00:48:52.372 --> 00:48:55.302
I think tell the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by.
2023
00:48:55.501 --> 00:48:58.132
I'm ready to mobilize you to launch another insurrection.
2024
00:48:58.211 --> 00:48:58.802
Let's go.
2025
00:48:58.812 --> 00:48:59.541
Oh like a soapbox.
2026
00:48:59.612 --> 00:49:00.382
Who is that guy again?
2027
00:49:00.422 --> 00:49:00.812
I forgot.
2028
00:49:01.231 --> 00:49:02.211
If you'd like a soapbox,
2029
00:49:02.221 --> 00:49:03.102
we can set one up for you.
2030
00:49:03.181 --> 00:49:04.201
But if you want to have a conversation,
2031
00:49:04.461 --> 00:49:05.261
I'm sitting right here.
2032
00:49:05.382 --> 00:49:05.642
Go for it.
2033
00:49:05.701 --> 00:49:06.892
I think the position is indefensible,
2034
00:49:06.941 --> 00:49:07.731
but I'd love to hear your take.
2035
00:49:07.781 --> 00:49:08.021
Go for it.
2036
00:49:08.072 --> 00:49:08.142
Well,
2037
00:49:08.491 --> 00:49:09.412
you're allowed to not like Trump.
2038
00:49:09.461 --> 00:49:10.291
He's done a lot of bad things.
2039
00:49:10.382 --> 00:49:10.622
Thank you.
2040
00:49:10.711 --> 00:49:12.181
Now we're talking about the Democratic Party,
2041
00:49:12.241 --> 00:49:12.882
the things they've done,
2042
00:49:12.971 --> 00:49:13.572
and you've,
2043
00:49:13.862 --> 00:49:14.382
I think.
2044
00:49:14.518 --> 00:49:15.397
And I'm not saying this derisively,
2045
00:49:15.478 --> 00:49:16.397
but I think there's many things that you're
2046
00:49:16.397 --> 00:49:17.827
ignorant of the Democratic Party has done.
2047
00:49:18.077 --> 00:49:19.708
You talk about suppression of their political opponent.
2048
00:49:19.788 --> 00:49:19.907
Well,
2049
00:49:20.038 --> 00:49:20.048
yeah,
2050
00:49:20.197 --> 00:49:22.347
they sued so that Trump could not run for office.
2051
00:49:22.637 --> 00:49:22.887
They,
2052
00:49:23.077 --> 00:49:23.377
they
2053
00:49:23.558 --> 00:49:24.637
tried to claim he was an insurrectionist.
2054
00:49:24.677 --> 00:49:25.508
He was ineligible.
2055
00:49:25.677 --> 00:49:27.357
He was arrested several times.
2056
00:49:27.437 --> 00:49:28.708
They arrested his lawyers.
2057
00:49:28.917 --> 00:49:29.048
Now,
2058
00:49:29.058 --> 00:49:29.827
by all means,
2059
00:49:30.068 --> 00:49:33.417
every authoritarian makes the argument they're justified in their use
2060
00:49:33.417 --> 00:49:36.677
of of authoritarian tactics to remove their political opponents.
2061
00:49:36.877 --> 00:49:38.187
That doesn't change the idea,
2062
00:49:38.197 --> 00:49:40.058
or I should say the philosophy behind what they're doing.
2063
00:49:40.318 --> 00:49:42.313
So if You want to accuse Jenna Ellis,
2064
00:49:42.333 --> 00:49:42.733
for instance,
2065
00:49:42.773 --> 00:49:45.694
of doing something wrong because she drafted a letter arguing on Trump's behalf.
2066
00:49:46.013 --> 00:49:46.374
That's,
2067
00:49:46.493 --> 00:49:47.753
that's authoritarianism.
2068
00:49:47.894 --> 00:49:49.924
By all means you can say she was wrong to do it.
2069
00:49:49.974 --> 00:49:50.634
She's a criminal,
2070
00:49:50.763 --> 00:49:51.674
but we are seeing
2071
00:49:51.813 --> 00:49:53.644
when you start going after people's lawyers,
2072
00:49:53.854 --> 00:49:56.523
by all means tell me you think she's a criminal and deserves it,
2073
00:49:56.533 --> 00:49:57.273
and I will tell you
2074
00:49:57.394 --> 00:50:00.134
the people of this country now stand in fear that Democrats
2075
00:50:00.134 --> 00:50:02.454
are going to arrest them if they engage in illegal practices.
2076
00:50:02.614 --> 00:50:03.773
We're going to pause here.
2077
00:50:03.854 --> 00:50:04.593
We are out of time
2078
00:50:06.204 --> 00:50:06.224
at home.
2079
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:11.959
My next surrounding claim
2080
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:14.760
is that the United States is tracking towards a civil war.
2081
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:16.439
If you'd like to be the first debater,
2082
00:50:16.560 --> 00:50:19.919
please head to the chair in 321.
2083
00:50:23.590 --> 00:50:24.409
Welcome back.
2084
00:50:25.350 --> 00:50:25.969
You miss me.
2085
00:50:26.629 --> 00:50:27.010
So
2086
00:50:27.310 --> 00:50:27.510
listen,
2087
00:50:27.620 --> 00:50:27.750
I,
2088
00:50:27.870 --> 00:50:29.649
I think that we are getting closer towards,
2089
00:50:29.870 --> 00:50:29.949
uh,
2090
00:50:29.989 --> 00:50:31.750
a a peak of civil unrest in this country,
2091
00:50:31.790 --> 00:50:32.389
and in all honesty,
2092
00:50:32.429 --> 00:50:33.530
I'm gonna blame people like you.
2093
00:50:33.820 --> 00:50:36.669
This entire time you've been trying to blur the line between what
2094
00:50:36.669 --> 00:50:39.010
separates you and a person like me and everybody in the circle.
2095
00:50:39.290 --> 00:50:40.360
The truth is you don't agree
2096
00:50:40.550 --> 00:50:41.149
on your show.
2097
00:50:41.189 --> 00:50:43.449
You have 5 white supremacists around you and 1 liberal,
2098
00:50:43.550 --> 00:50:43.729
uh,
2099
00:50:43.790 --> 00:50:46.659
lawyer talking about why we should protect the Constitution on Twitter.
2100
00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:49.189
You're mentioning the civil war and why we need to have a civil war,
2101
00:50:49.350 --> 00:50:50.570
civil war 24/7.
2102
00:50:50.830 --> 00:50:52.850
Now you've said civil war numerous times.
2103
00:50:54.209 --> 00:50:57.830
Slates of screenshots over the last 4 years alone I'm not
2104
00:50:57.830 --> 00:51:00.689
talking about shooting ivermectin up your ass all the time.
2105
00:51:00.699 --> 00:51:02.149
I've never advocating for ivermectin.
2106
00:51:02.219 --> 00:51:02.699
It's,
2107
00:51:02.709 --> 00:51:04.510
you have literally no idea what you're talking about.
2108
00:51:04.590 --> 00:51:06.580
You've not done any research and you've never used Google.
2109
00:51:06.750 --> 00:51:08.060
I've never advocated for ivermectin,
2110
00:51:08.110 --> 00:51:08.429
not once.
2111
00:51:08.500 --> 00:51:09.040
He's not gonna stop.
2112
00:51:09.620 --> 00:51:10.310
I've never used it.
2113
00:51:10.389 --> 00:51:11.129
I've never used iver.
2114
00:51:11.179 --> 00:51:11.310
I,
2115
00:51:11.389 --> 00:51:12.050
I said no,
2116
00:51:12.189 --> 00:51:12.860
you shouldn't use it.
2117
00:51:12.909 --> 00:51:14.250
I'm gonna get to if you wanna make things
2118
00:51:15.889 --> 00:51:15.899
up,
2119
00:51:15.989 --> 00:51:16.270
you wanna,
2120
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:16.909
you wanna just waste time,
2121
00:51:16.989 --> 00:51:17.709
then we can waste time.
2122
00:51:17.870 --> 00:51:18.189
But if you haven't.
2123
00:51:18.275 --> 00:51:19.025
You're wasting time right now.
2124
00:51:19.075 --> 00:51:19.156
Yeah,
2125
00:51:19.275 --> 00:51:20.835
so if I'm about to give it to you agree with me on the issue,
2126
00:51:20.936 --> 00:51:21.585
but you don't like me,
2127
00:51:21.635 --> 00:51:22.315
then we can agree and you can.
2128
00:51:22.375 --> 00:51:22.385
No,
2129
00:51:22.436 --> 00:51:23.196
I think you're responsible.
2130
00:51:23.355 --> 00:51:24.035
I think you're responsible.
2131
00:51:24.075 --> 00:51:25.355
You can get an individual like your man.
2132
00:51:25.506 --> 00:51:25.835
If you,
2133
00:51:25.885 --> 00:51:26.635
you just don't want to finish,
2134
00:51:26.696 --> 00:51:27.595
you know where I'm gonna go with this.
2135
00:51:27.716 --> 00:51:28.115
Do you agree?
2136
00:51:28.295 --> 00:51:28.305
You,
2137
00:51:28.375 --> 00:51:28.466
you,
2138
00:51:28.615 --> 00:51:31.236
you so mistrust you're allowed to blame me all you want,
2139
00:51:31.305 --> 00:51:32.696
and then we can agree and you can leave.
2140
00:51:33.196 --> 00:51:34.305
You just want to run away from the conversation.
2141
00:51:34.325 --> 00:51:35.986
Are you here to dispute my claim or agree with it?
2142
00:51:36.115 --> 00:51:37.035
I think you're responsible.
2143
00:51:37.196 --> 00:51:37.835
That's fantastic.
2144
00:51:37.916 --> 00:51:38.436
Thank you and have a nice day.
2145
00:51:38.625 --> 00:51:38.635
Oh,
2146
00:51:38.666 --> 00:51:39.635
you don't want to hear why you're responsible.
2147
00:51:39.676 --> 00:51:41.275
It doesn't matter because you're here to dispute my claims,
2148
00:51:41.385 --> 00:51:41.516
right?
2149
00:51:41.676 --> 00:51:42.315
Not agree doesn't matter.
2150
00:51:42.355 --> 00:51:42.595
You don't.
2151
00:51:42.681 --> 00:51:44.521
All of a sudden you want to stick to the definition of your claims,
2152
00:51:44.572 --> 00:51:45.602
but when it comes to just about everything,
2153
00:51:45.842 --> 00:51:47.382
everything else you wanna agree with me and you.
2154
00:51:47.431 --> 00:51:48.062
You're not gonna stop talking,
2155
00:51:48.122 --> 00:51:48.342
are you?
2156
00:51:48.402 --> 00:51:48.521
Are you,
2157
00:51:48.572 --> 00:51:49.882
are you gonna sit here and agree with me you control yourself?
2158
00:51:49.961 --> 00:51:50.691
You're like 50 years old.
2159
00:51:50.791 --> 00:51:51.291
You're gonna calm down with me.
2160
00:51:51.912 --> 00:51:52.162
Calm down.
2161
00:51:52.471 --> 00:51:52.612
You come down.
2162
00:51:52.731 --> 00:51:53.302
I don't agree with you.
2163
00:51:53.332 --> 00:51:54.441
I disagree with you on everything.
2164
00:51:54.602 --> 00:51:55.211
You make fake claims.
2165
00:51:55.312 --> 00:51:55.832
Of course I do.
2166
00:51:55.912 --> 00:51:57.951
If if anybody's doing something that I don't actually believe
2167
00:51:57.951 --> 00:51:59.552
in it because you're getting paid by other country,
2168
00:51:59.681 --> 00:52:01.681
I argue you're Joe Rogan for adversaries,
2169
00:52:01.731 --> 00:52:01.922
bro.
2170
00:52:01.961 --> 00:52:03.961
I advocated on Joe Rogan's show,
2171
00:52:04.451 --> 00:52:05.152
David,
2172
00:52:05.231 --> 00:52:06.822
can you please address the claim?
2173
00:52:07.409 --> 00:52:09.090
I think America is getting closer to civil war
2174
00:52:09.090 --> 00:52:10.209
and it's all because of people like Timple.
2175
00:52:10.370 --> 00:52:11.120
Thank you for agreeing with me.
2176
00:52:11.169 --> 00:52:11.610
Have a nice day.
2177
00:52:11.729 --> 00:52:11.810
Yeah,
2178
00:52:11.879 --> 00:52:12.320
you're a coward,
2179
00:52:12.330 --> 00:52:12.790
bro.
2180
00:52:13.250 --> 00:52:13.489
Well,
2181
00:52:13.610 --> 00:52:14.199
if you don't agree with me,
2182
00:52:14.229 --> 00:52:15.110
I don't know why you're here.
2183
00:52:15.810 --> 00:52:16.050
Also,
2184
00:52:16.129 --> 00:52:18.949
I would recommend doing research before you apply you come to a place like this.
2185
00:52:19.370 --> 00:52:20.530
If you'd like to be the next debater,
2186
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:24.090
please head to the chair in 321.
2187
00:52:26.770 --> 00:52:27.280
Welcome back.
2188
00:52:27.979 --> 00:52:28.580
Good to see you again.
2189
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:29.659
Great to see you again.
2190
00:52:29.820 --> 00:52:30.080
Yeah,
2191
00:52:30.300 --> 00:52:30.610
um,
2192
00:52:30.699 --> 00:52:32.459
the first time you talked about this was in 2019,
2193
00:52:32.580 --> 00:52:33.389
so it's been quite a while.
2194
00:52:33.419 --> 00:52:35.100
I think it was before that calling for civil war.
2195
00:52:35.179 --> 00:52:36.020
I've never called for civil war,
2196
00:52:36.060 --> 00:52:36.979
or not calling for,
2197
00:52:37.020 --> 00:52:37.479
I'm sorry,
2198
00:52:37.620 --> 00:52:37.770
uh,
2199
00:52:37.899 --> 00:52:39.040
said that we're on the brink of,
2200
00:52:39.050 --> 00:52:39.659
of civil war.
2201
00:52:39.739 --> 00:52:41.699
And what was the citation I had for when I said that?
2202
00:52:41.780 --> 00:52:42.340
I would love you.
2203
00:52:42.419 --> 00:52:43.320
It was The Atlantic,
2204
00:52:43.620 --> 00:52:47.199
and it was a journalist who interviewed several national security experts who said
2205
00:52:47.419 --> 00:52:49.500
that there is a range of opinions in the national security
2206
00:52:49.500 --> 00:52:51.699
space that the US is trending towards a civil war,
2207
00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:52.300
notably.
2208
00:52:52.520 --> 00:52:53.000
That when you,
2209
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:54.399
when you cite people like Stephen Marsh,
2210
00:52:54.510 --> 00:52:54.840
journalist,
2211
00:52:54.899 --> 00:52:55.520
as well as Barbara F.
2212
00:52:55.600 --> 00:52:55.830
Walter,
2213
00:52:55.919 --> 00:52:56.620
former CIA,
2214
00:52:56.959 --> 00:53:00.629
the US academics describe the period that we're in as civil strife,
2215
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:01.159
meaning
2216
00:53:01.399 --> 00:53:01.810
there's a,
2217
00:53:02.080 --> 00:53:04.080
there's a criteria of death that has occurred
2218
00:53:04.080 --> 00:53:06.260
for political reasons over the past year or years
2219
00:53:06.600 --> 00:53:09.120
for which the next phase would be civil war.
2220
00:53:09.270 --> 00:53:09.620
However,
2221
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:10.590
tracking,
2222
00:53:10.949 --> 00:53:11.469
we'll make my point,
2223
00:53:11.600 --> 00:53:12.389
tracking towards it,
2224
00:53:12.479 --> 00:53:12.520
uh,
2225
00:53:12.649 --> 00:53:12.669
I,
2226
00:53:12.790 --> 00:53:14.639
I've not said that it will happen.
2227
00:53:15.060 --> 00:53:17.030
Although there have been many people who have said that we are
2228
00:53:17.030 --> 00:53:19.629
in a cold civil war or some kind of cultural civil war,
2229
00:53:19.909 --> 00:53:21.020
I always,
2230
00:53:21.149 --> 00:53:22.709
always caveat because I,
2231
00:53:22.790 --> 00:53:25.449
I don't actually have a strong prediction that acts,
2232
00:53:25.669 --> 00:53:26.110
first of all,
2233
00:53:26.189 --> 00:53:28.709
you do have a strong prediction if you've been saying this since 2019.
2234
00:53:28.949 --> 00:53:30.709
There's 40 articles about it people can look this up.
2235
00:53:30.790 --> 00:53:32.750
There's 42 of your titles that have the.
2236
00:53:32.899 --> 00:53:34.969
Word civil war in it with big fonts on the front.
2237
00:53:35.100 --> 00:53:35.439
They sure do.
2238
00:53:35.530 --> 00:53:36.159
So why is that?
2239
00:53:36.229 --> 00:53:37.169
It's sensationalist.
2240
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:38.449
It's easy to get clicks on that.
2241
00:53:38.649 --> 00:53:41.889
There's a reason why you say it because it's very profitable for your business.
2242
00:53:42.270 --> 00:53:42.649
But there's a,
2243
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:45.350
we have 1600 episodes of just IRL.
2244
00:53:46.050 --> 00:53:49.010
There comes a point where people stop taking your predictions seriously.
2245
00:53:49.080 --> 00:53:49.979
Are you gonna make an argument,
2246
00:53:50.050 --> 00:53:50.709
or are you mad at me?
2247
00:53:51.290 --> 00:53:51.830
I'm not mad at you.
2248
00:53:51.939 --> 00:53:52.100
OK,
2249
00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:52.219
then,
2250
00:53:52.260 --> 00:53:54.489
let's make an argument about whether or not we are tracking.
2251
00:53:54.580 --> 00:53:54.620
No,
2252
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:54.729
no,
2253
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:54.810
no,
2254
00:53:54.889 --> 00:53:54.899
no,
2255
00:53:54.909 --> 00:53:54.929
no,
2256
00:53:55.139 --> 00:53:55.179
no,
2257
00:53:55.270 --> 00:53:55.300
no,
2258
00:53:55.379 --> 00:53:55.419
no,
2259
00:53:55.500 --> 00:53:55.659
no.
2260
00:53:55.939 --> 00:53:58.649
If you're making an argument you don't like my thumbnails or you don't,
2261
00:53:58.780 --> 00:54:00.139
you should I say my name over and over I'm
2262
00:54:00.139 --> 00:54:02.020
saying that you say bullshit in order to get money.
2263
00:54:02.179 --> 00:54:02.419
But what,
2264
00:54:02.510 --> 00:54:03.000
let me ask you,
2265
00:54:03.260 --> 00:54:04.260
let me ask you a question predictions.
2266
00:54:04.340 --> 00:54:04.760
Let me ask you,
2267
00:54:04.899 --> 00:54:05.459
let me ask you a question.
2268
00:54:05.500 --> 00:54:05.739
You can.
2269
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:07.679
I will agree with you that there's increased polarization.
2270
00:54:07.899 --> 00:54:08.020
I,
2271
00:54:08.169 --> 00:54:10.610
I would attribute a lot of that to people being specifically online.
2272
00:54:10.659 --> 00:54:10.979
Let me ask,
2273
00:54:11.129 --> 00:54:11.189
uh,
2274
00:54:11.370 --> 00:54:13.489
there's a lot less interaction with people that are,
2275
00:54:13.520 --> 00:54:14.340
are in different camps.
2276
00:54:14.439 --> 00:54:14.699
Let me ask you.
2277
00:54:14.782 --> 00:54:15.103
Question,
2278
00:54:15.423 --> 00:54:17.843
you're gonna sit here and tell me that we're way
2279
00:54:17.843 --> 00:54:21.222
more polarized than Alexander Ham Hamilton and Aaron Burr,
2280
00:54:21.252 --> 00:54:23.103
who like shot each other with their disagreements.
2281
00:54:23.302 --> 00:54:24.732
You're gonna why was that Aaron Andrew Jackson,
2282
00:54:24.782 --> 00:54:25.492
who's the sitting president,
2283
00:54:25.732 --> 00:54:26.613
do you wanna have a conversation,
2284
00:54:26.623 --> 00:54:27.312
or are you just gonna be?
2285
00:54:28.062 --> 00:54:30.282
Why was Aaron Danielson shot the shot in the chest twice?
2286
00:54:30.572 --> 00:54:30.843
Sorry,
2287
00:54:31.022 --> 00:54:32.693
why was Aaron Danielson shot in the chest,
2288
00:54:32.772 --> 00:54:32.893
uh,
2289
00:54:33.022 --> 00:54:36.262
I the chest twice disagreeing that political violence is taking the place.
2290
00:54:36.393 --> 00:54:38.143
You say Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr,
2291
00:54:38.183 --> 00:54:38.262
but.
2292
00:54:38.345 --> 00:54:39.986
When I ask you a question about an assassination,
2293
00:54:40.025 --> 00:54:40.365
you,
2294
00:54:40.375 --> 00:54:40.545
you,
2295
00:54:40.666 --> 00:54:40.855
you,
2296
00:54:41.025 --> 00:54:41.105
you,
2297
00:54:41.236 --> 00:54:41.295
you,
2298
00:54:41.426 --> 00:54:43.035
you defer where you can say that.
2299
00:54:43.075 --> 00:54:46.226
Let me ask you a question war every fucking year and it doesn't happen and I never,
2300
00:54:46.305 --> 00:54:47.446
it just hasn't happened yet.
2301
00:54:47.545 --> 00:54:47.885
Let me ask you.
2302
00:54:47.906 --> 00:54:48.625
Or if it does happen,
2303
00:54:48.686 --> 00:54:48.865
you say,
2304
00:54:48.986 --> 00:54:49.065
see,
2305
00:54:49.105 --> 00:54:49.545
I've had it all.
2306
00:54:49.656 --> 00:54:52.256
Let me ask you a question you're the same thing as like the Christian rapture
2307
00:54:52.256 --> 00:54:54.375
people who say that the rapture's coming every
2308
00:54:54.375 --> 00:54:55.645
fucking year and when it doesn't happen,
2309
00:54:55.775 --> 00:54:56.365
do you want a soapbox?
2310
00:54:56.625 --> 00:54:57.496
Do you want me to get you a soapbox?
2311
00:54:57.506 --> 00:54:58.166
It's really I can leave.
2312
00:54:58.355 --> 00:54:58.385
You want me,
2313
00:54:58.525 --> 00:55:00.055
it's really easy to like do what you do.
2314
00:55:00.416 --> 00:55:01.785
It's really easy to do what you do.
2315
00:55:02.590 --> 00:55:04.050
Like you literally just say
2316
00:55:04.830 --> 00:55:06.750
the Civil War is happening next year.
2317
00:55:07.070 --> 00:55:08.280
Civil war is happening next year,
2318
00:55:08.350 --> 00:55:08.830
it's coming.
2319
00:55:08.949 --> 00:55:10.469
Make sure you subscribe to Timcast.
2320
00:55:10.709 --> 00:55:11.949
Continue to watch my videos,
2321
00:55:12.050 --> 00:55:12.389
please.
2322
00:55:12.699 --> 00:55:13.610
Follow us on YouTube,
2323
00:55:13.709 --> 00:55:14.830
follow us on Instagram.
2324
00:55:14.939 --> 00:55:15.110
It's,
2325
00:55:15.149 --> 00:55:16.179
it's easy to do what you do,
2326
00:55:16.229 --> 00:55:16.669
bro.
2327
00:55:17.959 --> 00:55:18.030
Well,
2328
00:55:18.070 --> 00:55:18.419
we're gonna have.
2329
00:55:20.429 --> 00:55:20.719
So for your uh.
2330
00:55:23.389 --> 00:55:23.479
Tim,
2331
00:55:23.600 --> 00:55:24.439
thank you for returning.
2332
00:55:26.479 --> 00:55:28.310
No one's actually had a debate yet.
2333
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.320
Are we going to actually talk about whether it will or will not happen?
2334
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:30.659
I mean,
2335
00:55:31.560 --> 00:55:32.600
sounds like it's gonna.
2336
00:55:33.570 --> 00:55:34.209
All right,
2337
00:55:34.310 --> 00:55:35.850
if you'd like to be the next debater,
2338
00:55:35.969 --> 00:55:39.510
please head to the chair in 321.
2339
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:42.620
Welcome.
2340
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:43.689
Nice to meet you.
2341
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:44.000
Hey,
2342
00:55:44.169 --> 00:55:44.840
nice to meet you.
2343
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:46.419
I think we are
2344
00:55:46.600 --> 00:55:48.260
being constantly fueled
2345
00:55:48.399 --> 00:55:50.689
by the people that are already in charge,
2346
00:55:50.850 --> 00:55:51.739
that are up on top,
2347
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:53.179
that are already wealthy
2348
00:55:53.520 --> 00:55:56.149
and that already have power over the entire government.
2349
00:55:56.479 --> 00:55:57.439
Donald Trump has
2350
00:55:57.679 --> 00:55:59.300
8 billionaires in his administration,
2351
00:55:59.909 --> 00:56:00.840
including himself.
2352
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:02.320
You see his sons profiting,
2353
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:03.709
you see his friends profiting,
2354
00:56:03.949 --> 00:56:06.000
you see everyone in close ties with him profiting.
2355
00:56:06.270 --> 00:56:06.280
OK,
2356
00:56:07.030 --> 00:56:08.639
they're not gonna give up this power.
2357
00:56:08.909 --> 00:56:10.850
I don't think we're on the verge of a civil war.
2358
00:56:11.070 --> 00:56:12.409
I think we're due for a revolution.
2359
00:56:12.629 --> 00:56:12.679
Well,
2360
00:56:12.790 --> 00:56:13.229
and I don't,
2361
00:56:13.350 --> 00:56:14.419
I hope that's peaceful.
2362
00:56:14.550 --> 00:56:15.709
I hope that's not violent.
2363
00:56:15.820 --> 00:56:16.250
I hope
2364
00:56:16.669 --> 00:56:17.469
we change.
2365
00:56:17.750 --> 00:56:18.280
This is fantastic.
2366
00:56:18.389 --> 00:56:18.429
No,
2367
00:56:18.479 --> 00:56:18.510
no,
2368
00:56:18.580 --> 00:56:18.590
no,
2369
00:56:18.659 --> 00:56:18.949
I appreciate this.
2370
00:56:19.020 --> 00:56:19.780
Can I ask you some questions?
2371
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:20.050
Yeah.
2372
00:56:20.260 --> 00:56:21.070
Do you believe that Donald,
2373
00:56:21.270 --> 00:56:21.459
and I'm,
2374
00:56:21.510 --> 00:56:22.620
I'm not trying to accuse you of believing this,
2375
00:56:22.669 --> 00:56:24.290
but do you think that Donald Trump is a fascist?
2376
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:25.899
Um,
2377
00:56:26.179 --> 00:56:26.479
yes,
2378
00:56:26.600 --> 00:56:26.800
I do.
2379
00:56:26.879 --> 00:56:26.959
Do you,
2380
00:56:27.040 --> 00:56:29.050
do you think that there are Nazis in his,
2381
00:56:29.060 --> 00:56:29.360
in his administration,
2382
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:30.419
in his administration,
2383
00:56:31.189 --> 00:56:31.399
do you,
2384
00:56:31.520 --> 00:56:32.280
do you think that,
2385
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:32.709
uh,
2386
00:56:32.879 --> 00:56:33.270
they,
2387
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:33.510
uh,
2388
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:34.219
I mean,
2389
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:36.699
how do you feel about them using the military to go after,
2390
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:37.429
uh,
2391
00:56:37.439 --> 00:56:38.719
undocumented migrants in this country?
2392
00:56:39.580 --> 00:56:43.610
I think it is an unnecessary use of force when we should be targeting
2393
00:56:43.830 --> 00:56:47.110
violent criminals that have come into this country illegally illegally.
2394
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:51.610
That should be the sole focus when 70% of detainees in ICE custody
2395
00:56:51.770 --> 00:56:52.989
do not have a criminal conviction.
2396
00:56:53.189 --> 00:56:56.979
We're wasting resources and trying to use a show of militaristic power,
2397
00:56:57.149 --> 00:56:58.350
which is a huge,
2398
00:56:58.629 --> 00:57:00.570
huge proponent of fascism.
2399
00:57:00.909 --> 00:57:01.030
Uh,
2400
00:57:01.070 --> 00:57:02.260
how do you feel about the death of,
2401
00:57:02.310 --> 00:57:02.540
uh,
2402
00:57:02.550 --> 00:57:03.070
Renee Good and,
2403
00:57:03.110 --> 00:57:03.790
and Alex Predi?
2404
00:57:03.899 --> 00:57:04.449
Unjustified.
2405
00:57:04.909 --> 00:57:06.169
Are you gonna do anything about it?
2406
00:57:07.189 --> 00:57:08.590
I'm gonna rally everyone here.
2407
00:57:08.669 --> 00:57:10.229
I'm is rallying going to stop murder?
2408
00:57:10.310 --> 00:57:10.429
I,
2409
00:57:10.590 --> 00:57:11.370
I don't do this.
2410
00:57:11.550 --> 00:57:14.120
Is rallying gonna stop the killing of annoy my few 100
2411
00:57:14.120 --> 00:57:16.989
friends and followers on my Instagram post by reposting news stories.
2412
00:57:17.070 --> 00:57:19.189
Do you think rallying will stop the killing of people?
2413
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:20.489
What I'm doing here now
2414
00:57:20.870 --> 00:57:23.219
is trying to show people that they need to speak up,
2415
00:57:23.310 --> 00:57:24.459
that we're not against each other,
2416
00:57:24.469 --> 00:57:25.090
right and left.
2417
00:57:25.270 --> 00:57:27.669
Do you believe speaking up will stop ICE from killing people?
2418
00:57:27.750 --> 00:57:29.510
I think speaking up will get us to the right.
2419
00:57:29.810 --> 00:57:32.120
Process of voting people in the midterms
2420
00:57:32.459 --> 00:57:33.820
and in the next election
2421
00:57:33.979 --> 00:57:36.659
so that we can make changes the constitutional way.
2422
00:57:36.770 --> 00:57:38.580
How many people do you think will die between now and then?
2423
00:57:38.820 --> 00:57:39.260
Too many.
2424
00:57:39.659 --> 00:57:41.060
There's already been too many people that have died.
2425
00:57:41.219 --> 00:57:41.840
So my,
2426
00:57:41.850 --> 00:57:42.000
my,
2427
00:57:42.459 --> 00:57:42.540
again,
2428
00:57:42.580 --> 00:57:43.540
this is largely based off,
2429
00:57:43.659 --> 00:57:43.699
I,
2430
00:57:43.780 --> 00:57:44.399
I don't know if it's,
2431
00:57:44.409 --> 00:57:46.310
so are you trying to incite a civil war?
2432
00:57:46.500 --> 00:57:46.659
No.
2433
00:57:46.739 --> 00:57:47.699
Do you want a civil war?
2434
00:57:47.899 --> 00:57:50.739
I'm asking what do you actually believe do you want to do against ICE?
2435
00:57:51.459 --> 00:57:52.139
I like ICE
2436
00:57:52.500 --> 00:57:53.899
and you're happy that they're killing people.
2437
00:57:54.060 --> 00:57:54.479
No,
2438
00:57:54.979 --> 00:57:55.129
OK,
2439
00:57:55.219 --> 00:57:56.010
so what are you gonna do?
2440
00:57:56.100 --> 00:57:57.419
I'm gonna vote for Trump again.
2441
00:57:58.239 --> 00:57:59.620
He's the one that's allowing guys to kill people.
2442
00:57:59.949 --> 00:58:00.979
He's not voting for JD Vance,
2443
00:58:01.080 --> 00:58:01.570
as I just said,
2444
00:58:01.649 --> 00:58:02.870
he's the one not taking accountability.
2445
00:58:03.790 --> 00:58:03.870
See,
2446
00:58:03.909 --> 00:58:03.959
I,
2447
00:58:04.110 --> 00:58:04.169
see,
2448
00:58:04.229 --> 00:58:04.270
I,
2449
00:58:04.389 --> 00:58:05.389
I think there's a distinction here.
2450
00:58:05.469 --> 00:58:05.830
For one,
2451
00:58:05.989 --> 00:58:08.870
the claim is meant to be like nonpartisan,
2452
00:58:08.949 --> 00:58:09.300
but I have,
2453
00:58:09.310 --> 00:58:09.669
of course,
2454
00:58:09.750 --> 00:58:10.620
my partisan views.
2455
00:58:10.909 --> 00:58:13.310
I like the Trump administration though they've done a lot of bad things,
2456
00:58:13.340 --> 00:58:13.820
and that's fine,
2457
00:58:13.899 --> 00:58:14.949
and we can call it those bad things,
2458
00:58:15.030 --> 00:58:16.260
but I'm going to continue to support it.
2459
00:58:16.429 --> 00:58:17.929
My point largely is either
2460
00:58:18.469 --> 00:58:20.389
the progressives will stand up against what they
2461
00:58:20.389 --> 00:58:22.389
perceive as fascism or fascism takes over,
2462
00:58:22.570 --> 00:58:24.199
which they are by all means we just had the
2463
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:26.050
largest protest in the history of the United States.
2464
00:58:26.060 --> 00:58:28.770
We're gonna pause here.
2465
00:58:28.989 --> 00:58:29.629
Thank you.
2466
00:58:29.790 --> 00:58:30.739
You've been by the majority.
2467
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:34.090
If you'd like to be the next debater,
2468
00:58:34.209 --> 00:58:37.810
please head to the chair in 321.
2469
00:58:40.209 --> 00:58:40.580
OK,
2470
00:58:40.739 --> 00:58:42.360
so the whole thing about civil war
2471
00:58:42.659 --> 00:58:45.899
is that I do think that you need some sort of leadership,
2472
00:58:46.100 --> 00:58:46.260
you know,
2473
00:58:46.340 --> 00:58:50.560
that is being financially disenfranchised to incentivize a civil war,
2474
00:58:50.739 --> 00:58:55.639
and we don't really have any strong progressive leaders in office currently
2475
00:58:55.780 --> 00:58:58.580
that are being meaningfully financially disenfranchised,
2476
00:58:58.620 --> 00:58:59.050
um,
2477
00:58:59.260 --> 00:59:00.260
the way slavers were.
2478
00:59:00.540 --> 00:59:01.969
So I think that you don't,
2479
00:59:02.020 --> 00:59:02.459
that's the challenge,
2480
00:59:02.500 --> 00:59:03.340
I think.
2481
00:59:03.479 --> 00:59:04.159
That is absolutely,
2482
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:04.419
yes,
2483
00:59:04.520 --> 00:59:06.360
that is you don't if you take a look at civil wars throughout history,
2484
00:59:06.520 --> 00:59:08.070
we can use the Syrian civil war as an example.
2485
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.800
It started with a dozen or so disparate factions,
2486
00:59:10.870 --> 00:59:12.060
largely of locals
2487
00:59:12.229 --> 00:59:15.699
and various ideologies that ultimately coalesced around 11 group,
2488
00:59:15.919 --> 00:59:16.919
either the Free Syrian Army,
2489
00:59:17.040 --> 00:59:18.320
but then ultimately got taken over.
2490
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:22.159
So civil wars can be fomented through small factions that bubble up.
2491
00:59:22.429 --> 00:59:22.760
Certainly,
2492
00:59:22.879 --> 00:59:23.189
but I,
2493
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:26.919
I think that you are vastly overestimating the uh.
2494
00:59:27.310 --> 00:59:27.659
You know,
2495
00:59:27.780 --> 00:59:28.919
kind of militant,
2496
00:59:29.459 --> 00:59:29.679
uh,
2497
00:59:29.689 --> 00:59:32.129
capacity of the American left
2498
00:59:32.379 --> 00:59:34.280
like we truly do not have
2499
00:59:34.659 --> 00:59:38.100
like a far left in the US that would be willing to take up arms.
2500
00:59:38.139 --> 00:59:39.060
It is so,
2501
00:59:39.219 --> 00:59:39.500
so,
2502
00:59:39.659 --> 00:59:40.379
so small.
2503
00:59:40.590 --> 00:59:41.010
Furthermore,
2504
00:59:41.100 --> 00:59:42.340
I do think that
2505
00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:44.199
technology wise
2506
00:59:44.899 --> 00:59:45.360
it's not,
2507
00:59:45.419 --> 00:59:45.760
you know,
2508
00:59:45.860 --> 00:59:46.060
it's,
2509
00:59:46.100 --> 00:59:47.840
it's not an even battle anymore
2510
00:59:48.030 --> 00:59:48.439
like
2511
00:59:48.659 --> 00:59:49.330
the military,
2512
00:59:49.379 --> 00:59:50.219
the US military,
2513
00:59:50.340 --> 00:59:52.179
which is largely conservative and currently,
2514
00:59:52.300 --> 00:59:52.500
you know,
2515
00:59:52.620 --> 00:59:52.969
uh,
2516
00:59:52.979 --> 00:59:54.010
Trump is in charge of them.
2517
00:59:54.449 --> 00:59:54.820
Uh,
2518
00:59:55.219 --> 00:59:55.459
the,
2519
00:59:55.540 --> 00:59:58.419
the technology that they have to track,
2520
00:59:58.500 --> 00:59:59.250
surveil,
2521
00:59:59.429 --> 00:59:59.729
to,
2522
00:59:59.820 --> 00:59:59.969
uh,
2523
01:00:00.020 --> 01:00:01.439
remotely kill people
2524
01:00:01.620 --> 01:00:02.500
would be absurd.
2525
01:00:02.580 --> 01:00:02.780
I mean,
2526
01:00:02.860 --> 01:00:04.929
I guess we could do some sort of guerrilla warfare,
2527
01:00:05.010 --> 01:00:06.260
but this is American territory.
2528
01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:07.570
It wouldn't go down like Vietnam,
2529
01:00:07.649 --> 01:00:07.820
you know,
2530
01:00:07.929 --> 01:00:08.860
like we know where we are,
2531
01:00:08.899 --> 01:00:09.620
we know where we're going.
2532
01:00:09.929 --> 01:00:10.679
It's just this is actually,
2533
01:00:10.780 --> 01:00:11.510
this is a fantastic point,
2534
01:00:11.580 --> 01:00:11.830
by the way,
2535
01:00:11.929 --> 01:00:13.979
and this gets into what's known as the generations.
2536
01:00:14.104 --> 01:00:14.604
Warfare.
2537
01:00:15.064 --> 01:00:16.504
So the earliest generation of warfare,
2538
01:00:16.534 --> 01:00:17.764
obviously is a guy punching a guy
2539
01:00:18.064 --> 01:00:19.205
as we got into,
2540
01:00:19.504 --> 01:00:19.875
uh,
2541
01:00:19.985 --> 01:00:20.064
you know,
2542
01:00:20.145 --> 01:00:20.864
the 1700s,
2543
01:00:20.945 --> 01:00:21.044
well,
2544
01:00:21.104 --> 01:00:21.975
maybe even before then,
2545
01:00:22.185 --> 01:00:24.764
you get field battles and drums and trumpets and this,
2546
01:00:24.784 --> 01:00:24.824
they,
2547
01:00:24.905 --> 01:00:25.024
they,
2548
01:00:25.034 --> 01:00:26.745
they refer to this largely as like 3rd generation.
2549
01:00:26.864 --> 01:00:29.145
4th generation is what they refer to as insurgency,
2550
01:00:29.185 --> 01:00:29.584
terror,
2551
01:00:29.774 --> 01:00:31.524
guerrilla warfare tactics which we saw
2552
01:00:31.824 --> 01:00:33.665
famously people bring up during the American Revolution.
2553
01:00:34.100 --> 01:00:37.219
Many people refer to the period we're now in as 5th generational warfare,
2554
01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:37.500
and the,
2555
01:00:37.540 --> 01:00:38.169
the question is,
2556
01:00:38.179 --> 01:00:39.729
what is the purpose of conflict?
2557
01:00:39.939 --> 01:00:41.189
And it's to typically,
2558
01:00:41.300 --> 01:00:41.659
not always,
2559
01:00:41.739 --> 01:00:44.489
but to gain control of resources or a political group.
2560
01:00:44.739 --> 01:00:46.399
Usually it's to gain control of something,
2561
01:00:46.620 --> 01:00:48.989
and it could be for ideological reasons or economic reasons.
2562
01:00:49.300 --> 01:00:50.209
What we're witnessing now,
2563
01:00:50.290 --> 01:00:50.820
which what I,
2564
01:00:50.899 --> 01:00:52.969
I would say maybe we're not going to have a
2565
01:00:52.969 --> 01:00:54.780
what's called a hot civil war but remain cold,
2566
01:00:55.060 --> 01:00:56.780
is the use of information technology for the
2567
01:00:56.780 --> 01:00:59.020
purpose of controlling populations like you've described.
2568
01:00:59.340 --> 01:00:59.679
So
2569
01:00:59.780 --> 01:00:59.989
for the,
2570
01:01:00.020 --> 01:01:00.959
in the broader picture.
2571
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:02.830
I would argue that what we are seeing now
2572
01:01:02.830 --> 01:01:06.590
with TikTok and Instagram may actually stop kinetic conflict,
2573
01:01:06.669 --> 01:01:07.929
which would be people shooting each other,
2574
01:01:08.110 --> 01:01:10.909
and we may actually just end up with people being brainwashed and,
2575
01:01:10.979 --> 01:01:11.110
you know,
2576
01:01:11.179 --> 01:01:12.280
waving Israeli flags or something.
2577
01:01:12.370 --> 01:01:12.409
Well,
2578
01:01:12.469 --> 01:01:12.629
I mean,
2579
01:01:12.709 --> 01:01:12.870
we're,
2580
01:01:13.020 --> 01:01:14.189
we're already kind of there.
2581
01:01:14.270 --> 01:01:14.510
I mean,
2582
01:01:14.550 --> 01:01:14.929
like
2583
01:01:15.070 --> 01:01:16.780
Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are,
2584
01:01:16.899 --> 01:01:17.110
you know,
2585
01:01:17.189 --> 01:01:18.669
the two most powerful tech dudes,
2586
01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:21.290
and even Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos to some degree,
2587
01:01:21.520 --> 01:01:24.179
they're in Trump's pocket or maybe Trump is in theirs,
2588
01:01:24.429 --> 01:01:24.810
um,
2589
01:01:25.110 --> 01:01:25.649
and
2590
01:01:25.989 --> 01:01:26.669
there's just.
2591
01:01:27.179 --> 01:01:27.550
You know,
2592
01:01:27.899 --> 01:01:32.169
online there really isn't a way for the left to meaningfully take control,
2593
01:01:32.270 --> 01:01:32.850
not in a,
2594
01:01:32.860 --> 01:01:34.060
a real sense.
2595
01:01:34.139 --> 01:01:34.679
I just,
2596
01:01:35.139 --> 01:01:35.939
I think that yes,
2597
01:01:36.020 --> 01:01:37.620
the country will continue to get polarized,
2598
01:01:37.699 --> 01:01:39.600
but will we have a civil war?
2599
01:01:40.020 --> 01:01:40.340
No.
2600
01:01:40.540 --> 01:01:41.510
pause here.
2601
01:01:41.620 --> 01:01:42.020
Thank you.
2602
01:01:42.100 --> 01:01:43.179
You've been voted out by the majority.
2603
01:01:43.419 --> 01:01:44.020
good thank you.
2604
01:01:47.889 --> 01:01:48.010
Alright,
2605
01:01:48.090 --> 01:01:49.290
if you'd like to be the next debater,
2606
01:01:49.449 --> 01:01:53.300
please head to the chair in 321.
2607
01:01:55.610 --> 01:01:55.810
Hello
2608
01:01:57.459 --> 01:01:59.879
When January 6th happened,
2609
01:02:00.179 --> 01:02:03.479
I actually thought we were headed towards the Civil war then I thought,
2610
01:02:03.620 --> 01:02:04.300
oh my God,
2611
01:02:04.379 --> 01:02:05.260
this is really
2612
01:02:05.500 --> 01:02:05.879
bad
2613
01:02:06.300 --> 01:02:07.739
and um,
2614
01:02:07.780 --> 01:02:12.040
so much so that what ended up happening is that gun sales
2615
01:02:12.780 --> 01:02:13.439
increased
2616
01:02:13.739 --> 01:02:15.290
predominantly on the left because
2617
01:02:15.530 --> 01:02:17.100
they were so afraid of what was gonna.
2618
01:02:17.364 --> 01:02:17.945
Happen
2619
01:02:18.165 --> 01:02:20.945
and we had been seeing documentaries and
2620
01:02:21.165 --> 01:02:25.044
um you know news networks talking about the far right extremists who
2621
01:02:25.044 --> 01:02:28.905
were already training with like AR fifteens and things like that that were
2622
01:02:29.385 --> 01:02:30.544
attempting to
2623
01:02:30.834 --> 01:02:32.354
potentially start a coup
2624
01:02:32.604 --> 01:02:33.425
and so
2625
01:02:33.685 --> 01:02:37.205
if we were talking back then I would actually agree with you.
2626
01:02:37.669 --> 01:02:39.409
The reason I disagree with you now
2627
01:02:39.709 --> 01:02:45.790
is because we don't have a um a faction of the left
2628
01:02:46.110 --> 01:02:52.040
that is nearly as uh violently motivated as the right is
2629
01:02:52.389 --> 01:02:52.689
so
2630
01:02:52.790 --> 01:02:55.639
if we were to talk about a hypothetical civil war,
2631
01:02:55.870 --> 01:03:00.070
then I would argue the far right would start it specifically because of what.
2632
01:03:00.185 --> 01:03:01.665
You just said you said
2633
01:03:01.824 --> 01:03:03.905
that you would like to re-elect Trump,
2634
01:03:03.985 --> 01:03:05.084
that you would vote for him
2635
01:03:05.294 --> 01:03:06.094
for a third
2636
01:03:06.354 --> 01:03:06.804
time,
2637
01:03:07.175 --> 01:03:08.024
but you didn't say Vance,
2638
01:03:08.104 --> 01:03:08.655
you said Trump,
2639
01:03:08.745 --> 01:03:08.875
right?
2640
01:03:09.385 --> 01:03:10.064
And I think,
2641
01:03:10.145 --> 01:03:11.205
and I think
2642
01:03:11.514 --> 01:03:14.364
that goes down to the ideology of
2643
01:03:14.864 --> 01:03:17.425
again your argument around the Constitution.
2644
01:03:17.824 --> 01:03:18.145
He,
2645
01:03:18.945 --> 01:03:22.625
there is a faction of MAGA that wants him to run again.
2646
01:03:22.949 --> 01:03:27.219
And skirt the constitution so that MAGA can stay in power.
2647
01:03:27.560 --> 01:03:28.179
I think
2648
01:03:28.439 --> 01:03:29.739
in a hypothetical
2649
01:03:30.209 --> 01:03:32.120
that would lead towards a civil war
2650
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:33.530
and so,
2651
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:33.969
OK,
2652
01:03:34.120 --> 01:03:38.100
but people like yourself who continue to spew this type of rhetoric of
2653
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:39.199
is it gonna happen?
2654
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:40.239
Is it gonna happen?
2655
01:03:40.699 --> 01:03:42.060
I think you're want it to happen.
2656
01:03:42.179 --> 01:03:43.290
I think you're exaggerating the,
2657
01:03:43.379 --> 01:03:44.419
the things that I've said about it.
2658
01:03:44.540 --> 01:03:44.639
I mean,
2659
01:03:44.699 --> 01:03:46.719
I think that last conversation was absolutely fantastic everything
2660
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:48.209
that you talked about is online and people,
2661
01:03:48.219 --> 01:03:48.540
so I think,
2662
01:03:48.659 --> 01:03:48.939
I think,
2663
01:03:49.129 --> 01:03:51.129
I think I've interviewed national security experts to ask
2664
01:03:51.129 --> 01:03:53.179
them if they think this is going to happen
2665
01:03:53.419 --> 01:03:56.159
when you have one gentleman saying yes and it's my fault.
2666
01:03:56.620 --> 01:03:56.820
I,
2667
01:03:56.939 --> 01:03:57.020
I,
2668
01:03:57.100 --> 01:03:57.820
he doesn't have to like me.
2669
01:03:57.899 --> 01:03:59.320
You don't have to like my opinions or what I do.
2670
01:03:59.620 --> 01:04:01.520
But I think when you also say that
2671
01:04:01.899 --> 01:04:03.689
when MAGA wants to elect Trump for a 3rd time,
2672
01:04:04.060 --> 01:04:04.540
you are correct,
2673
01:04:04.620 --> 01:04:04.929
they do.
2674
01:04:04.979 --> 01:04:05.169
And I,
2675
01:04:05.219 --> 01:04:08.399
I also agree this is going to create an untenable situation for the country
2676
01:04:08.699 --> 01:04:11.239
that I don't believe progressives or Democrats will accept.
2677
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:13.739
I don't see Trump and his base backing down,
2678
01:04:13.820 --> 01:04:14.939
and I don't see the,
2679
01:04:15.020 --> 01:04:15.169
the,
2680
01:04:15.219 --> 01:04:15.530
the left,
2681
01:04:15.570 --> 01:04:15.899
liberals,
2682
01:04:16.129 --> 01:04:16.260
Democrats,
2683
01:04:16.270 --> 01:04:16.760
or otherwise
2684
01:04:17.250 --> 01:04:17.780
agreeing to back down.
2685
01:04:17.820 --> 01:04:18.760
It's a simple question.
2686
01:04:19.100 --> 01:04:21.320
Would anyone in this room sit back as Trump
2687
01:04:21.500 --> 01:04:23.040
seized a third term in power?
2688
01:04:23.750 --> 01:04:23.870
They,
2689
01:04:23.949 --> 01:04:24.909
I don't think they would do it.
2690
01:04:25.270 --> 01:04:25.540
So you,
2691
01:04:25.590 --> 01:04:25.709
you,
2692
01:04:25.790 --> 01:04:27.139
you can have a fascist takeover,
2693
01:04:27.149 --> 01:04:27.860
a revolution,
2694
01:04:28.070 --> 01:04:29.709
or you can have a civil war if this is the case,
2695
01:04:29.790 --> 01:04:31.159
and I hope to God it's not,
2696
01:04:31.350 --> 01:04:32.110
because you know what I'd prefer?
2697
01:04:32.270 --> 01:04:33.149
I'd prefer to watch the,
2698
01:04:33.229 --> 01:04:33.340
the,
2699
01:04:33.389 --> 01:04:33.659
the,
2700
01:04:33.709 --> 01:04:35.350
the soccer match and have some chicken wings.
2701
01:04:35.389 --> 01:04:35.590
I don't,
2702
01:04:35.669 --> 01:04:36.129
I don't wanna
2703
01:04:36.510 --> 01:04:37.649
deal with conflict crisis.
2704
01:04:37.909 --> 01:04:39.070
I don't like having to live in a,
2705
01:04:39.429 --> 01:04:39.550
you know,
2706
01:04:39.629 --> 01:04:41.330
I have multiple bodyguards with me today.
2707
01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:42.219
I have to,
2708
01:04:42.300 --> 01:04:42.479
I,
2709
01:04:42.580 --> 01:04:44.699
I have to have people standing outside of my house because we got,
2710
01:04:44.919 --> 01:04:46.260
I got you scared of the progressives in here?
2711
01:04:46.350 --> 01:04:47.550
I'm not scared of anybody in here actually.
2712
01:04:47.659 --> 01:04:49.610
I think you guys have been absolutely lovely,
2713
01:04:49.659 --> 01:04:50.820
but there are lunatics.
2714
01:04:50.979 --> 01:04:51.860
In December of last year,
2715
01:04:51.979 --> 01:04:53.939
someone drove by my property and opened fire on,
2716
01:04:54.010 --> 01:04:54.149
on,
2717
01:04:54.250 --> 01:04:54.949
on our buildings,
2718
01:04:55.419 --> 01:04:55.820
and I,
2719
01:04:55.939 --> 01:04:56.060
I,
2720
01:04:56.139 --> 01:04:57.340
you're gonna blame that on the left too.
2721
01:04:57.459 --> 01:04:57.699
I'm,
2722
01:04:57.820 --> 01:04:58.860
it was a left aligned.
2723
01:04:58.959 --> 01:04:59.840
Individual who did it,
2724
01:04:59.959 --> 01:05:00.350
but I mean,
2725
01:05:00.399 --> 01:05:02.120
I'm not blaming you guys for doing it,
2726
01:05:02.149 --> 01:05:03.679
and I certainly would acknowledge that there are people on
2727
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:05.159
the right who engage in violence all the same.
2728
01:05:05.479 --> 01:05:07.560
What I'm saying is I don't want you to be in fear,
2729
01:05:07.699 --> 01:05:07.830
uh,
2730
01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:08.820
in fear of your life.
2731
01:05:09.040 --> 01:05:10.340
I don't want to be in fear of my life.
2732
01:05:10.520 --> 01:05:11.159
I prefer this.
2733
01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:12.669
This is you guys have been absolutely awesome.
2734
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:13.280
We disagree.
2735
01:05:13.439 --> 01:05:14.310
I mean that guy really hates me,
2736
01:05:14.340 --> 01:05:14.679
but I got,
2737
01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:16.120
I don't want him hurt or anything like that.
2738
01:05:16.459 --> 01:05:17.979
I don't want to live in a country where people
2739
01:05:17.979 --> 01:05:20.100
are attacking each other without trying to understand each other,
2740
01:05:20.219 --> 01:05:20.419
right,
2741
01:05:20.540 --> 01:05:23.620
but the rhetoric that you're spewing is leading towards that.
2742
01:05:23.780 --> 01:05:25.250
You want Trump again,
2743
01:05:26.260 --> 01:05:28.679
which means the rhetoric that you're spewing online,
2744
01:05:28.780 --> 01:05:31.360
the political commentary that you're spewing online,
2745
01:05:31.780 --> 01:05:32.649
is teasing it.
2746
01:05:32.729 --> 01:05:33.620
It's like it's like,
2747
01:05:33.830 --> 01:05:34.129
will they,
2748
01:05:34.219 --> 01:05:34.530
won't they,
2749
01:05:34.580 --> 01:05:34.810
will they,
2750
01:05:34.820 --> 01:05:35.159
won't they?
2751
01:05:35.169 --> 01:05:35.379
I don't want.
2752
01:05:35.534 --> 01:05:36.614
Donald Trump for a third term,
2753
01:05:37.225 --> 01:05:37.465
but I,
2754
01:05:37.524 --> 01:05:37.784
I would,
2755
01:05:37.905 --> 01:05:37.945
I,
2756
01:05:38.145 --> 01:05:38.824
I would prefer,
2757
01:05:38.995 --> 01:05:39.145
uh,
2758
01:05:39.264 --> 01:05:39.425
you know,
2759
01:05:39.665 --> 01:05:40.264
JD Vance,
2760
01:05:40.534 --> 01:05:41.425
maybe Rubio,
2761
01:05:41.745 --> 01:05:42.165
but
2762
01:05:43.344 --> 01:05:43.814
and indeed,
2763
01:05:43.824 --> 01:05:47.544
and understand that Trump won the plurality of the vote in 2024 and
2764
01:05:47.544 --> 01:05:49.864
he has a large support base despite his polls being very low.
2765
01:05:49.935 --> 01:05:50.465
He does,
2766
01:05:50.784 --> 01:05:54.504
and we'll see what happens with the Republican Party in 2026 and 20208.
2767
01:05:54.889 --> 01:05:56.199
But you can't just
2768
01:05:56.419 --> 01:06:00.520
wish away the existence of a polar of a of a another political faction
2769
01:06:00.659 --> 01:06:02.479
with a polarized worldview compared to yours.
2770
01:06:02.620 --> 01:06:04.080
I do not see a reality
2771
01:06:04.340 --> 01:06:06.820
where Republicans accept the worldview of the of the
2772
01:06:06.820 --> 01:06:09.219
progressives who are gaining ground in multiple places,
2773
01:06:09.459 --> 01:06:10.370
namely in New York,
2774
01:06:10.550 --> 01:06:12.280
and I don't see the progressives accepting
2775
01:06:12.500 --> 01:06:12.620
the,
2776
01:06:12.659 --> 01:06:12.820
the,
2777
01:06:12.899 --> 01:06:14.550
the Trump worldview as you've described it.
2778
01:06:14.620 --> 01:06:18.239
And the reason that we're not going to accept it is because people
2779
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:20.239
like you and the reason we don't accept it is people like it.
2780
01:06:23.590 --> 01:06:24.679
If you'd like to be the next debater,
2781
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:27.919
please head to the chair in 321.
2782
01:06:30.290 --> 01:06:30.800
Nice to meet you.
2783
01:06:30.929 --> 01:06:31.219
Nice to meet you,
2784
01:06:31.330 --> 01:06:31.770
Jeremiah.
2785
01:06:32.600 --> 01:06:33.100
OK,
2786
01:06:33.330 --> 01:06:35.689
so we know that the USA is very resilient,
2787
01:06:35.850 --> 01:06:36.169
right?
2788
01:06:36.530 --> 01:06:37.729
We've weathered so much.
2789
01:06:37.969 --> 01:06:38.909
So we've weathered,
2790
01:06:38.969 --> 01:06:39.449
we've stayed in,
2791
01:06:39.570 --> 01:06:40.409
we've stayed intact,
2792
01:06:40.489 --> 01:06:41.270
and we weathered,
2793
01:06:41.570 --> 01:06:41.800
um,
2794
01:06:41.879 --> 01:06:43.169
1968 riots,
2795
01:06:43.409 --> 01:06:44.270
McCarthyism.
2796
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:45.560
Um,
2797
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:46.239
what else?
2798
01:06:46.429 --> 01:06:47.659
Civil rights era,
2799
01:06:47.879 --> 01:06:48.310
um,
2800
01:06:48.750 --> 01:06:49.159
civil war,
2801
01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:50.000
so,
2802
01:06:50.080 --> 01:06:51.679
but the thing is we stayed intact,
2803
01:06:51.879 --> 01:06:52.270
right?
2804
01:06:52.439 --> 01:06:52.820
So
2805
01:06:53.120 --> 01:06:53.959
my thing is,
2806
01:06:54.070 --> 01:06:54.699
is that
2807
01:06:55.040 --> 01:06:56.629
we can have polarizing views,
2808
01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:57.159
right,
2809
01:06:57.439 --> 01:06:57.800
but
2810
01:06:58.040 --> 01:07:00.000
nothing that we're dealing with right now is as
2811
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.280
intense as anything we've that I've just mentioned,
2812
01:07:02.510 --> 01:07:04.439
and none of those things led to a civil war,
2813
01:07:04.580 --> 01:07:05.080
so I'm.
2814
01:07:05.185 --> 01:07:07.364
Unless the right plans to enslave the left,
2815
01:07:07.814 --> 01:07:08.125
where,
2816
01:07:08.264 --> 01:07:09.405
how are we gonna have a civil war?
2817
01:07:09.705 --> 01:07:10.915
So one example that I often cite,
2818
01:07:10.975 --> 01:07:11.854
which I don't know that,
2819
01:07:11.945 --> 01:07:12.094
you know,
2820
01:07:12.324 --> 01:07:12.375
a,
2821
01:07:12.544 --> 01:07:13.645
a lot of this is probabilistic,
2822
01:07:13.895 --> 01:07:14.054
uh,
2823
01:07:14.185 --> 01:07:14.195
I,
2824
01:07:14.304 --> 01:07:15.735
I like to use Colorado as an example.
2825
01:07:16.145 --> 01:07:18.425
Colorado allows for abortion up to the point of birth,
2826
01:07:18.504 --> 01:07:19.104
the woman's discretion,
2827
01:07:19.195 --> 01:07:20.094
but Oklahoma bans it,
2828
01:07:20.104 --> 01:07:21.044
and they share a border.
2829
01:07:21.584 --> 01:07:25.445
So you have a potential for conflict in that regard because if a woman is with a man.
2830
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:28.149
And she's 7 or 8 months pregnant and she decides
2831
01:07:28.149 --> 01:07:29.780
to get an abortion in Colorado where it's legal,
2832
01:07:30.020 --> 01:07:31.360
the state will try to stop her.
2833
01:07:31.520 --> 01:07:33.679
We have already had an instance where I'm not sure it was a Southern state,
2834
01:07:33.729 --> 01:07:35.709
it might have been Mississippi or Alabama where they accused,
2835
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:35.840
they,
2836
01:07:35.919 --> 01:07:36.239
they charged,
2837
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:37.780
I believe they attempted to charge a woman
2838
01:07:38.050 --> 01:07:40.610
with conspiracy to commit abortion by fleeing the state.
2839
01:07:40.879 --> 01:07:44.300
And so the issue that arises is at the ground level when a man says.
2840
01:07:44.860 --> 01:07:47.040
You are taking my child to be murdered and the woman says,
2841
01:07:47.219 --> 01:07:47.340
no,
2842
01:07:47.419 --> 01:07:47.620
it's a,
2843
01:07:47.699 --> 01:07:47.830
it's,
2844
01:07:47.879 --> 01:07:48.340
it's a fetus.
2845
01:07:48.350 --> 01:07:49.229
I'm getting an abortion,
2846
01:07:49.370 --> 01:07:51.389
and this results in people on the ground
2847
01:07:51.860 --> 01:07:54.169
traveling between jurisdictions with different laws,
2848
01:07:54.260 --> 01:07:56.459
which creates a problem for Colorado and a problem
2849
01:07:56.459 --> 01:07:58.260
for Oklahoma which probably don't want to fight.
2850
01:07:58.300 --> 01:07:59.580
So but what I'm saying is that if,
2851
01:07:59.659 --> 01:07:59.979
if you,
2852
01:08:00.060 --> 01:08:01.360
you're saying the nation would fight,
2853
01:08:01.620 --> 01:08:04.010
we don't even see internal fights within the states,
2854
01:08:04.060 --> 01:08:05.239
like separate states.
2855
01:08:05.500 --> 01:08:08.060
I would think that we would see that first before we'd see the nation.
2856
01:08:08.702 --> 01:08:08.822
Well,
2857
01:08:08.863 --> 01:08:12.452
we saw in Texas when the Biden administration deployed uh federal,
2858
01:08:12.623 --> 01:08:15.103
federal police and the Texas National Guard came and they
2859
01:08:15.103 --> 01:08:18.203
were actually in dispute over the concertina wire on the border
2860
01:08:18.502 --> 01:08:20.652
because Texas doesn't have the constitutional authority to deport.
2861
01:08:20.982 --> 01:08:23.582
They sent out their state National Guard in defiance and we
2862
01:08:23.582 --> 01:08:26.453
of the federal overreach here in California when Trump did that,
2863
01:08:26.662 --> 01:08:27.002
um,
2864
01:08:27.062 --> 01:08:28.683
overreaching sending the Marines.
2865
01:08:28.783 --> 01:08:29.283
But guess what?
2866
01:08:29.402 --> 01:08:31.402
But the thing is military hasn't defected.
2867
01:08:31.625 --> 01:08:33.456
The claim is that we are tracking towards one,
2868
01:08:33.465 --> 01:08:35.055
and I think that's an academic claim,
2869
01:08:35.386 --> 01:08:37.496
but it's also possible we have a revolution tracking,
2870
01:08:37.746 --> 01:08:39.564
tracking like in 1100 years,
2871
01:08:39.774 --> 01:08:39.895
like,
2872
01:08:39.904 --> 01:08:39.944
no,
2873
01:08:39.984 --> 01:08:40.055
no,
2874
01:08:40.104 --> 01:08:40.145
no,
2875
01:08:40.265 --> 01:08:43.005
tracking means that what we have seen over the past 10 years
2876
01:08:43.225 --> 01:08:45.305
historically runs parallel to other stories that have
2877
01:08:45.305 --> 01:08:47.246
culminated in civil war but don't always.
2878
01:08:47.585 --> 01:08:49.154
So that's why academics say today's period in
2879
01:08:49.154 --> 01:08:50.335
the United States is called civil strife.
2880
01:08:50.746 --> 01:08:51.076
the civil,
2881
01:08:51.145 --> 01:08:52.465
the civil rights era was civil strife as well.
2882
01:08:52.524 --> 01:08:53.175
We're gonna pause here.
2883
01:08:53.404 --> 01:08:54.805
I think you've been voted out in the majority.
2884
01:08:59.649 --> 01:09:00.979
If you'd like to be the next debater,
2885
01:09:01.140 --> 01:09:04.819
please head to the chair in 321.
2886
01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:06.640
Welcome.
2887
01:09:06.759 --> 01:09:06.919
Hi,
2888
01:09:07.120 --> 01:09:07.560
nice jacket.
2889
01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:07.790
Hi,
2890
01:09:07.910 --> 01:09:08.410
thank you.
2891
01:09:09.069 --> 01:09:11.160
When you say that the US is heading towards civil war,
2892
01:09:11.270 --> 01:09:11.520
um,
2893
01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:13.720
I fundamentally disagree with this claim because I think
2894
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:15.080
that for any country to go through civil war,
2895
01:09:15.240 --> 01:09:16.430
3 key things need to happen.
2896
01:09:16.799 --> 01:09:18.459
The first is geographic fracture.
2897
01:09:18.879 --> 01:09:21.140
The second is the military defecting,
2898
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:22.919
and the third is institutional collapse,
2899
01:09:23.200 --> 01:09:24.350
none of which we see in the United States.
2900
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:24.470
Well,
2901
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:24.629
let,
2902
01:09:24.750 --> 01:09:25.959
let's address the claim number 1.
2903
01:09:26.240 --> 01:09:28.660
We actually have seen massive internal migration from,
2904
01:09:28.709 --> 01:09:28.870
uh,
2905
01:09:29.080 --> 01:09:30.870
blue states to red states and red states to blue states.
2906
01:09:31.160 --> 01:09:33.049
So the geographic hyper polarization absolutely is happening.
2907
01:09:33.120 --> 01:09:33.950
I didn't say polarization.
2908
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:35.120
I said geographic fracture.
2909
01:09:35.529 --> 01:09:36.009
There are plenty,
2910
01:09:36.129 --> 01:09:38.310
there are plenty of blue cities in red states,
2911
01:09:39.089 --> 01:09:40.089
so where's the fracture?
2912
01:09:40.649 --> 01:09:41.049
Has anybody,
2913
01:09:41.169 --> 01:09:41.279
has,
2914
01:09:41.370 --> 01:09:41.689
has any,
2915
01:09:41.850 --> 01:09:43.149
has any state tried to secede?
2916
01:09:43.639 --> 01:09:44.038
There have been,
2917
01:09:44.158 --> 01:09:45.938
there have been instances of states trying to secede from themselves,
2918
01:09:46.758 --> 01:09:47.118
not really,
2919
01:09:47.278 --> 01:09:47.398
no.
2920
01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:47.559
What,
2921
01:09:47.679 --> 01:09:48.198
what you are in,
2922
01:09:48.229 --> 01:09:48.679
in eastern,
2923
01:09:48.798 --> 01:09:49.639
which states are trying to secede?
2924
01:09:49.667 --> 01:09:50.877
Northern California is trying to secede.
2925
01:09:50.948 --> 01:09:52.158
You've got Eastern Oregon trying to secede.
2926
01:09:52.258 --> 01:09:52.318
No,
2927
01:09:52.457 --> 01:09:52.469
no,
2928
01:09:52.519 --> 01:09:52.528
no.
2929
01:09:52.538 --> 01:09:52.758
You've got,
2930
01:09:52.877 --> 01:09:53.038
you got,
2931
01:09:53.269 --> 01:09:54.519
you got a district what I'm what I mean,
2932
01:09:54.639 --> 01:09:55.519
what I mean secede is not,
2933
01:09:55.559 --> 01:09:57.039
are people wanting it to happen.
2934
01:09:57.048 --> 01:09:58.738
Is there a little bit of a movement going on?
2935
01:09:58.798 --> 01:10:00.548
Is there mass voting for a state to secede?
2936
01:10:00.559 --> 01:10:00.648
No,
2937
01:10:00.708 --> 01:10:00.918
there's not.
2938
01:10:00.958 --> 01:10:01.559
The state of Jefferson,
2939
01:10:01.599 --> 01:10:02.039
are you familiar?
2940
01:10:02.128 --> 01:10:02.139
No,
2941
01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:02.999
there's and greater Idaho.
2942
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:03.608
Did it happen?
2943
01:10:03.918 --> 01:10:04.008
They,
2944
01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:04.269
they're,
2945
01:10:04.358 --> 01:10:04.579
they're,
2946
01:10:04.798 --> 01:10:05.238
it doesn't happen.
2947
01:10:05.429 --> 01:10:06.568
I believe we had 2 counties.
2948
01:10:06.878 --> 01:10:07.088
Hold on,
2949
01:10:07.108 --> 01:10:07.469
hold on.
2950
01:10:07.639 --> 01:10:08.358
If you don't know this,
2951
01:10:08.438 --> 01:10:09.159
don't just say you don't.
2952
01:10:09.358 --> 01:10:12.519
Eastern Oregon had 2 counties voting to secede from the state to join Idaho.
2953
01:10:12.599 --> 01:10:13.219
Did it happen?
2954
01:10:13.629 --> 01:10:13.799
It,
2955
01:10:13.870 --> 01:10:14.220
it did not.
2956
01:10:14.290 --> 01:10:14.810
It does not happen,
2957
01:10:14.939 --> 01:10:15.020
no,
2958
01:10:15.390 --> 01:10:15.399
because,
2959
01:10:15.549 --> 01:10:17.729
but whether it did or didn't happen in the in this country,
2960
01:10:17.779 --> 01:10:18.779
people trying to make it happen.
2961
01:10:18.819 --> 01:10:19.939
We're extremely polarized in this.
2962
01:10:20.209 --> 01:10:21.830
Maryland tried to secede geographic fraction.
2963
01:10:21.910 --> 01:10:24.029
Western Maryland voted to join West Virginia.
2964
01:10:24.270 --> 01:10:24.750
People tried.
2965
01:10:24.830 --> 01:10:25.189
People tried.
2966
01:10:25.270 --> 01:10:25.959
It doesn't happen.
2967
01:10:26.109 --> 01:10:26.509
I understand.
2968
01:10:26.589 --> 01:10:27.689
I think a lot of people
2969
01:10:28.069 --> 01:10:29.390
look at American history and,
2970
01:10:29.470 --> 01:10:31.660
and then believe all civil wars happen in this context.
2971
01:10:31.740 --> 01:10:31.990
But in fact,
2972
01:10:32.029 --> 01:10:33.930
the United States is unique in this regard
2973
01:10:34.109 --> 01:10:34.750
and that we are,
2974
01:10:34.910 --> 01:10:35.140
we are,
2975
01:10:35.189 --> 01:10:35.529
we were,
2976
01:10:35.629 --> 01:10:37.209
we were positioned for civil war
2977
01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:37.669
because.
2978
01:10:37.790 --> 01:10:39.729
You had state jurisdictions with
2979
01:10:40.189 --> 01:10:42.649
great authority that were in defiance of the federal government.
2980
01:10:42.870 --> 01:10:43.149
You,
2981
01:10:43.310 --> 01:10:44.779
you use this rhetoric a lot and it's very,
2982
01:10:44.850 --> 01:10:46.430
very dangerous to use this rhetoric because it gets
2983
01:10:46.430 --> 01:10:47.830
people up in arms and gets people rallied up.
2984
01:10:48.080 --> 01:10:49.620
This kind of rhetoric is the same kind of rhetoric
2985
01:10:49.620 --> 01:10:51.740
that Donald Trump uses to rally up right-wing conservatives.
2986
01:10:51.990 --> 01:10:53.990
This is so dangerous that there are only
2987
01:10:53.990 --> 01:10:55.830
two possibilities for why somebody would say this.
2988
01:10:55.990 --> 01:10:58.410
Either they're blatantly exaggerating and grifting for money,
2989
01:10:58.939 --> 01:10:59.370
or,
2990
01:10:59.609 --> 01:11:00.049
or
2991
01:11:00.189 --> 01:11:01.830
they genuinely believe what they say and they don't.
2992
01:11:02.060 --> 01:11:02.189
Know,
2993
01:11:02.229 --> 01:11:04.430
and they don't give their audience the 20 seconds of
2994
01:11:04.430 --> 01:11:06.290
respect on Google it would take to learn otherwise.
2995
01:11:06.790 --> 01:11:08.529
The US is not heading toward a civil war.
2996
01:11:08.790 --> 01:11:10.910
There's clearly more than what's happening.
2997
01:11:11.189 --> 01:11:13.169
There's clearly more than 2
2998
01:11:13.669 --> 01:11:14.979
reasons why someone would say these things,
2999
01:11:15.060 --> 01:11:15.270
there's not.
3000
01:11:15.609 --> 01:11:15.620
And,
3001
01:11:15.759 --> 01:11:16.060
and,
3002
01:11:16.109 --> 01:11:18.979
and that's being intentionally derisive and not and not informing anybody.
3003
01:11:19.100 --> 01:11:19.169
It's,
3004
01:11:19.189 --> 01:11:20.750
it's the truth because we're not heading towards a civil war.
3005
01:11:21.100 --> 01:11:22.620
I'm telling you pause it here.
3006
01:11:22.830 --> 01:11:23.720
We're out of time.
3007
01:11:24.069 --> 01:11:24.419
All right.
3008
01:11:24.830 --> 01:11:24.839
Well,
3009
01:11:24.899 --> 01:11:25.350
it was good talking to you.
3010
01:11:25.419 --> 01:11:25.990
Nice to meet you.
3011
01:11:31.330 --> 01:11:32.569
My final surrounding claim
3012
01:11:32.850 --> 01:11:35.490
is that the Constitution effectively does not exist anymore.
3013
01:11:36.470 --> 01:11:37.720
If you'd like to be the first debater,
3014
01:11:37.839 --> 01:11:41.410
please head to the chair in 321.
3015
01:11:43.689 --> 01:11:44.250
Nice to meet you.
3016
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:44.649
Nice to meet you.
3017
01:11:44.790 --> 01:11:44.970
Doing well,
3018
01:11:45.089 --> 01:11:45.370
going well.
3019
01:11:45.529 --> 01:11:46.029
So
3020
01:11:46.689 --> 01:11:48.169
what is the purpose of the claim?
3021
01:11:48.890 --> 01:11:49.229
So,
3022
01:11:49.290 --> 01:11:49.390
uh,
3023
01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:51.240
the first question is what is a constitution.
3024
01:11:51.330 --> 01:11:52.169
The constitution,
3025
01:11:52.290 --> 01:11:52.569
it,
3026
01:11:52.649 --> 01:11:55.069
it actually refers to what constitutes a body politic.
3027
01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:56.129
As of right now,
3028
01:11:56.169 --> 01:11:57.490
I would make the argument that first,
3029
01:11:57.569 --> 01:11:58.930
what is known to most people,
3030
01:11:59.009 --> 01:12:01.169
the interpretation of the Constitution dramatically has
3031
01:12:01.169 --> 01:12:02.790
changed over the past several 100 years,
3032
01:12:03.129 --> 01:12:04.089
not just with amendments,
3033
01:12:04.129 --> 01:12:05.330
but with the language itself.
3034
01:12:05.410 --> 01:12:05.689
Though
3035
01:12:05.890 --> 01:12:08.160
many people might argue they're originalists,
3036
01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:09.459
some might say they're textualists,
3037
01:12:09.529 --> 01:12:11.089
it doesn't even matter if they claim those things
3038
01:12:11.089 --> 01:12:12.549
because their view of the Constitution has changed.
3039
01:12:12.810 --> 01:12:13.250
As of today,
3040
01:12:13.330 --> 01:12:16.240
there's actually two distinct large body politics,
3041
01:12:16.319 --> 01:12:17.089
if that's the way you say it.
3042
01:12:17.509 --> 01:12:18.729
And they do not agree
3043
01:12:19.069 --> 01:12:20.709
on the interpretation of the Constitution.
3044
01:12:20.790 --> 01:12:21.330
Thus
3045
01:12:21.669 --> 01:12:24.069
we are seeing claims the Supreme Court is no longer legitimate.
3046
01:12:24.229 --> 01:12:25.379
We've seen that for some time now.
3047
01:12:25.589 --> 01:12:25.830
We've seen,
3048
01:12:26.049 --> 01:12:28.649
we see Republicans angry with Amy Coney Barrett and,
3049
01:12:28.660 --> 01:12:28.939
uh,
3050
01:12:28.950 --> 01:12:30.379
and Kavanaugh over their rulings,
3051
01:12:30.669 --> 01:12:31.649
and we're now hearing,
3052
01:12:31.660 --> 01:12:31.750
uh,
3053
01:12:31.759 --> 01:12:32.129
uh,
3054
01:12:32.490 --> 01:12:34.529
arguments that politicians should just ignore the
3055
01:12:34.529 --> 01:12:36.419
Constitution outright or or the Supreme Court.
3056
01:12:36.430 --> 01:12:36.669
I'm sorry,
3057
01:12:36.750 --> 01:12:37.529
in this capacity,
3058
01:12:37.740 --> 01:12:39.729
even though this would violate the Constitution.
3059
01:12:39.990 --> 01:12:41.830
But that wouldn't necessarily work because if
3060
01:12:41.830 --> 01:12:43.419
the founding fathers were creating the document,
3061
01:12:43.470 --> 01:12:46.189
they knew that this was going to continuously progress because they believe.
3062
01:12:46.533 --> 01:12:48.163
In the modernization of the United States
3063
01:12:48.163 --> 01:12:49.882
that was going to continuously go forward.
3064
01:12:50.083 --> 01:12:52.152
That's why you had Lincoln making the Reconstruction
3065
01:12:52.152 --> 01:12:54.522
era amendments and even the progressive era amendments
3066
01:12:54.632 --> 01:12:56.402
like the 16th Amendment with the income tax,
3067
01:12:56.482 --> 01:12:57.272
the 17th Amendment.
3068
01:12:57.312 --> 01:12:58.042
We're not arguing amendments,
3069
01:12:58.083 --> 01:12:59.002
but what I'm saying is,
3070
01:12:59.042 --> 01:13:02.163
is that the Constitution has always been able to progress and change.
3071
01:13:02.203 --> 01:13:04.862
If you're looking for the issues when it comes to the Supreme Court
3072
01:13:05.243 --> 01:13:06.712
and what everybody else believes,
3073
01:13:06.723 --> 01:13:08.283
that happens on the left and on the right.
3074
01:13:08.393 --> 01:13:10.583
Everyone has the disagreements when it comes to the Supreme Court,
3075
01:13:10.962 --> 01:13:13.022
but the problem is when you look at the Trump administration,
3076
01:13:13.272 --> 01:13:15.083
what they're currently doing right now is making.
3077
01:13:15.215 --> 01:13:18.085
Executive orders saying that they're going to ask
3078
01:13:18.085 --> 01:13:19.895
questions about the 14th Amendment when the reality
3079
01:13:19.895 --> 01:13:23.596
is that he wanted to change the first section of the 14th Amendment to his own.
3080
01:13:23.616 --> 01:13:24.346
Is anyone stopping him.
3081
01:13:24.875 --> 01:13:24.886
Uh,
3082
01:13:24.936 --> 01:13:26.056
the Supreme Court did actually.
3083
01:13:26.335 --> 01:13:28.016
Not only did the Supreme Court stop them,
3084
01:13:28.186 --> 01:13:28.226
uh,
3085
01:13:28.496 --> 01:13:29.215
initially,
3086
01:13:29.456 --> 01:13:30.235
that's what
3087
01:13:30.416 --> 01:13:31.175
he was promised.
3088
01:13:31.215 --> 01:13:31.405
He was,
3089
01:13:31.445 --> 01:13:33.016
he was hoping did not have happened.
3090
01:13:33.125 --> 01:13:34.556
That's why he was sitting in April
3091
01:13:34.895 --> 01:13:36.895
with the Supreme Court trying to be basically
3092
01:13:36.895 --> 01:13:38.625
the muscle of the executive in the judicial.
3093
01:13:38.786 --> 01:13:38.886
So,
3094
01:13:38.936 --> 01:13:38.976
so,
3095
01:13:39.096 --> 01:13:39.375
so Trump,
3096
01:13:39.485 --> 01:13:40.266
Trump hasn't stopped.
3097
01:13:40.335 --> 01:13:40.655
In fact,
3098
01:13:40.775 --> 01:13:42.275
they're preparing another executive order
3099
01:13:42.655 --> 01:13:43.326
under the same,
3100
01:13:43.405 --> 01:13:44.016
same line that was.
3101
01:13:44.108 --> 01:13:45.389
Just rejected but targeting territories.
3102
01:13:45.469 --> 01:13:47.869
But then you would agree with that the fault then would be coming from the
3103
01:13:47.869 --> 01:13:50.429
political right then in this case because when it's not a question of fault,
3104
01:13:50.449 --> 01:13:52.249
it's a question of we are not seeing
3105
01:13:52.909 --> 01:13:53.099
the,
3106
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:53.179
the,
3107
01:13:53.309 --> 01:13:54.688
but my point largely is
3108
01:13:54.869 --> 01:13:56.668
there is a left and there's a right in this country that are
3109
01:13:56.668 --> 01:13:59.869
so more they are so distinct neither views the Constitution as being upheld.
3110
01:14:00.028 --> 01:14:02.249
But that's not necessarily true when you look at it,
3111
01:14:02.708 --> 01:14:03.229
it is true.
3112
01:14:03.409 --> 01:14:03.418
Well,
3113
01:14:03.628 --> 01:14:03.708
well,
3114
01:14:03.949 --> 01:14:05.378
I'll explain to you as the reason as to why it's not.
3115
01:14:05.429 --> 01:14:06.568
You think Trump's upholding the Constitution.
3116
01:14:06.749 --> 01:14:08.168
I don't think he's upholding the Constitution,
3117
01:14:08.229 --> 01:14:10.688
but I know for a fact that the left has been or the Democrats have been
3118
01:14:10.869 --> 01:14:12.508
actually holding up the Constitution a lot more.
3119
01:14:12.539 --> 01:14:12.909
If you look at.
3120
01:14:13.001 --> 01:14:13.372
For example,
3121
01:14:13.512 --> 01:14:13.521
well,
3122
01:14:13.921 --> 01:14:14.282
if you look,
3123
01:14:14.361 --> 01:14:14.762
for example,
3124
01:14:14.841 --> 01:14:15.432
with Bush,
3125
01:14:16.071 --> 01:14:18.392
do you think Republicans believe the Democrats are upholding the Constitution?
3126
01:14:18.642 --> 01:14:19.921
Do I think that the Republicans are holding it?
3127
01:14:19.972 --> 01:14:21.881
Do Republicans in this country believe Democrats
3128
01:14:21.881 --> 01:14:22.841
are holding true to the Constitution?
3129
01:14:22.961 --> 01:14:23.202
They don't,
3130
01:14:23.301 --> 01:14:24.352
but that's because that's the point.
3131
01:14:24.582 --> 01:14:27.202
There is no unified body politic that operates under the Constitution.
3132
01:14:27.321 --> 01:14:28.611
That's specifically opinion base.
3133
01:14:28.841 --> 01:14:29.582
When you look at,
3134
01:14:29.892 --> 01:14:29.952
well,
3135
01:14:30.041 --> 01:14:30.202
hold on,
3136
01:14:30.321 --> 01:14:31.341
when you look at different
3137
01:14:31.501 --> 01:14:32.111
members and,
3138
01:14:32.182 --> 01:14:32.352
uh,
3139
01:14:32.361 --> 01:14:32.742
different
3140
01:14:32.921 --> 01:14:33.541
presidential
3141
01:14:33.881 --> 01:14:34.291
terms,
3142
01:14:34.492 --> 01:14:35.122
you look at Trump,
3143
01:14:35.321 --> 01:14:37.682
he's trying to take it down with the 14th Amendment through executive orders.
3144
01:14:37.881 --> 01:14:39.262
The AUMF under Bush,
3145
01:14:39.361 --> 01:14:41.702
he took away the ability for the Congress to actually.
3146
01:14:41.935 --> 01:14:43.185
Player war with that simple,
3147
01:14:43.194 --> 01:14:44.935
simple document because of September 11th.
3148
01:14:45.174 --> 01:14:46.395
I haven't seen Obama do that.
3149
01:14:46.495 --> 01:14:48.674
I haven't seen Biden try and do that whatsoever,
3150
01:14:49.134 --> 01:14:50.904
especially when it comes to the past 20 years.
3151
01:14:51.095 --> 01:14:53.924
The reason as to why we're in those situations is because of these two presidents.
3152
01:14:54.095 --> 01:14:55.285
Now what my argument is,
3153
01:14:55.345 --> 01:14:58.044
is that while they may say individuals may say this,
3154
01:14:58.214 --> 01:15:01.674
what we're seeing is actual executive powers,
3155
01:15:01.915 --> 01:15:03.274
exec exact legislative powers,
3156
01:15:03.415 --> 01:15:06.524
actual judicial powers on the right that are specifically doing this.
3157
01:15:06.595 --> 01:15:07.535
I pause.
3158
01:15:08.015 --> 01:15:09.254
You've been voted out by the majority.
3159
01:15:09.484 --> 01:15:09.854
Good talking with you.
3160
01:15:09.935 --> 01:15:10.654
Good talking with you too.
3161
01:15:14.959 --> 01:15:16.149
If you'd like to be the next debater,
3162
01:15:16.290 --> 01:15:19.770
please get to the chair in 321.
3163
01:15:23.029 --> 01:15:23.379
How's it going?
3164
01:15:23.430 --> 01:15:23.790
Nice to meet you.
3165
01:15:24.339 --> 01:15:24.529
Um,
3166
01:15:24.540 --> 01:15:26.270
an issue I kind of take with your interpretation of
3167
01:15:26.270 --> 01:15:29.250
the Constitution is that you're kind of like taking this originalist
3168
01:15:29.540 --> 01:15:31.310
approach to the Constitution and that every single word
3169
01:15:31.310 --> 01:15:32.910
in the Constitution should be taken as literal.
3170
01:15:33.029 --> 01:15:33.109
No,
3171
01:15:33.149 --> 01:15:33.509
I'm not.
3172
01:15:33.990 --> 01:15:34.270
So what,
3173
01:15:34.350 --> 01:15:34.509
what,
3174
01:15:34.589 --> 01:15:35.979
what do you mean essentially by like,
3175
01:15:36.270 --> 01:15:36.379
so,
3176
01:15:36.470 --> 01:15:36.520
uh,
3177
01:15:36.589 --> 01:15:36.669
uh,
3178
01:15:36.729 --> 01:15:36.850
uh,
3179
01:15:36.950 --> 01:15:37.339
so the,
3180
01:15:37.430 --> 01:15:38.270
the founding fathers,
3181
01:15:38.350 --> 01:15:38.709
uh,
3182
01:15:38.910 --> 01:15:40.759
it was a split between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists.
3183
01:15:40.830 --> 01:15:41.750
There was an argument as to whether we.
3184
01:15:41.834 --> 01:15:42.035
We should,
3185
01:15:42.154 --> 01:15:43.895
we should have an unwritten constitution
3186
01:15:44.075 --> 01:15:45.194
or a written constitution.
3187
01:15:45.475 --> 01:15:47.544
There was a fear that with an unwritten constitution,
3188
01:15:47.555 --> 01:15:50.185
it would evolve too dramatically and you'd end up with tyranny.
3189
01:15:50.475 --> 01:15:50.935
So,
3190
01:15:50.995 --> 01:15:51.245
uh,
3191
01:15:51.285 --> 01:15:51.984
one faction says,
3192
01:15:52.035 --> 01:15:52.754
hey guys,
3193
01:15:52.794 --> 01:15:53.314
write it down.
3194
01:15:53.354 --> 01:15:53.595
In fact,
3195
01:15:53.674 --> 01:15:54.794
they wanted not just a constitution,
3196
01:15:54.854 --> 01:15:55.915
they wanted a bill of rights.
3197
01:15:56.314 --> 01:15:56.714
So the,
3198
01:15:56.794 --> 01:15:59.115
the argument is fundamentally a constitution
3199
01:15:59.115 --> 01:16:00.674
is what constitutes the body politic.
3200
01:16:01.149 --> 01:16:04.100
When you have a group of people that are largely morally aligned,
3201
01:16:04.149 --> 01:16:05.450
they all basically agree,
3202
01:16:05.750 --> 01:16:07.149
then you have a constitution.
3203
01:16:07.350 --> 01:16:08.500
We are seeing an increase in,
3204
01:16:08.509 --> 01:16:08.729
uh,
3205
01:16:08.740 --> 01:16:09.990
geographic polarization.
3206
01:16:10.149 --> 01:16:11.290
This is resulting in,
3207
01:16:11.390 --> 01:16:11.689
uh,
3208
01:16:11.700 --> 01:16:14.189
the Congress becoming equally polarized with
3209
01:16:14.189 --> 01:16:16.669
radically different views of what the.
3210
01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:19.330
Actually means so our Congress is very,
3211
01:16:19.410 --> 01:16:19.540
very,
3212
01:16:19.649 --> 01:16:20.169
very centered,
3213
01:16:20.250 --> 01:16:20.370
right?
3214
01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:22.089
Our Congress is very much in the political center.
3215
01:16:22.330 --> 01:16:24.439
So to say that they're very these radical figures,
3216
01:16:24.490 --> 01:16:24.919
I think it's,
3217
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:25.759
it's strikingly ironic.
3218
01:16:25.990 --> 01:16:26.000
Well,
3219
01:16:26.109 --> 01:16:26.120
no,
3220
01:16:26.209 --> 01:16:26.319
they're,
3221
01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:27.009
they're polarized,
3222
01:16:27.089 --> 01:16:27.350
right?
3223
01:16:27.569 --> 01:16:29.229
They vote on party line almost all the time,
3224
01:16:29.240 --> 01:16:30.290
even when it doesn't make sense.
3225
01:16:30.330 --> 01:16:30.850
And if you don't,
3226
01:16:30.970 --> 01:16:32.750
Trump gets you removed from office like Massey.
3227
01:16:33.089 --> 01:16:33.209
So,
3228
01:16:33.330 --> 01:16:34.229
so that's polarization,
3229
01:16:34.339 --> 01:16:34.689
right?
3230
01:16:35.089 --> 01:16:38.339
So they're gonna vote for the agenda of the right or the agenda of the left,
3231
01:16:38.529 --> 01:16:40.589
and I think that this way to explain it is.
3232
01:16:41.009 --> 01:16:44.129
The amendments are the easiest way to approach this in understanding that the,
3233
01:16:44.229 --> 01:16:47.189
the Constitution being largely in my view non-existent is
3234
01:16:47.609 --> 01:16:48.890
the suppression of speech that we
3235
01:16:48.890 --> 01:16:51.009
saw from Democratic Party administration officials.
3236
01:16:51.250 --> 01:16:52.290
So that violates the First Amendment.
3237
01:16:52.390 --> 01:16:52.479
You,
3238
01:16:52.540 --> 01:16:53.209
you have to admit though,
3239
01:16:53.290 --> 01:16:55.689
like the First Amendment doesn't mean that you can say whatever you want.
3240
01:16:55.729 --> 01:16:57.649
Like it certainly means you can express political opinions,
3241
01:16:57.709 --> 01:16:58.479
but it has continually targeted.
3242
01:16:58.810 --> 01:16:59.620
It has continually,
3243
01:16:59.729 --> 01:17:00.209
like our,
3244
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:01.870
our judges and our Supreme Court has continually
3245
01:17:01.870 --> 01:17:03.509
ruled that there are limitations on free speech.
3246
01:17:03.569 --> 01:17:04.209
I I can't,
3247
01:17:04.290 --> 01:17:05.910
I can't scream that there's a fire in a movie.
3248
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:06.049
Yes,
3249
01:17:06.160 --> 01:17:06.410
you can,
3250
01:17:06.509 --> 01:17:07.020
Brandenburg v.
3251
01:17:07.089 --> 01:17:07.330
Ohio.
3252
01:17:07.359 --> 01:17:07.830
You're wrong.
3253
01:17:09.109 --> 01:17:09.439
Like,
3254
01:17:09.620 --> 01:17:09.759
like,
3255
01:17:09.819 --> 01:17:09.979
there,
3256
01:17:10.100 --> 01:17:11.419
there needs to be a precedent already.
3257
01:17:12.220 --> 01:17:12.740
Like that doesn't,
3258
01:17:12.819 --> 01:17:13.520
that doesn't really,
3259
01:17:13.700 --> 01:17:15.009
there has to be a threat of imminent danger.
3260
01:17:15.330 --> 01:17:15.620
That's not,
3261
01:17:15.779 --> 01:17:15.859
yes,
3262
01:17:16.020 --> 01:17:16.149
that's,
3263
01:17:16.220 --> 01:17:16.609
that's true.
3264
01:17:17.129 --> 01:17:17.540
You have to do that.
3265
01:17:17.700 --> 01:17:18.319
Nice meeting you.
3266
01:17:20.149 --> 01:17:21.450
If you'd like to be the next debater,
3267
01:17:21.589 --> 01:17:22.770
please head to the chair
3268
01:17:22.910 --> 01:17:25.370
in 321.
3269
01:17:26.850 --> 01:17:27.589
Welcome back.
3270
01:17:28.290 --> 01:17:29.069
Shake your hand again.
3271
01:17:30.160 --> 01:17:30.720
All right,
3272
01:17:30.959 --> 01:17:34.439
you're telling me that the Constitution effectively doesn't exist,
3273
01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:34.700
right?
3274
01:17:35.160 --> 01:17:37.149
Not that it's necessarily like low quality,
3275
01:17:37.200 --> 01:17:39.799
but that it like effectively just does not exist at all.
3276
01:17:39.870 --> 01:17:39.950
Well,
3277
01:17:40.040 --> 01:17:40.799
let's not be super extreme.
3278
01:17:40.839 --> 01:17:41.779
What I mean is
3279
01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:43.540
there's obviously a document we know what it is,
3280
01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:45.600
we use it for certain guiding principles.
3281
01:17:45.674 --> 01:17:47.234
To the power that our parties want.
3282
01:17:47.354 --> 01:17:49.634
My specific argument here is that the Constitution,
3283
01:17:49.875 --> 01:17:52.475
whether or not it's being handled in like exactly the right way,
3284
01:17:52.794 --> 01:17:54.125
it does exist.
3285
01:17:54.314 --> 01:17:55.475
It's an important matter,
3286
01:17:55.674 --> 01:17:56.154
then great.
3287
01:17:56.354 --> 01:17:56.785
The thing is,
3288
01:17:56.834 --> 01:17:58.634
I don't know what your personal views is.
3289
01:17:58.834 --> 01:18:01.234
My job here is just to dispute your claim.
3290
01:18:01.649 --> 01:18:02.669
The claim is
3291
01:18:02.810 --> 01:18:04.330
that it effectively does not exist.
3292
01:18:04.450 --> 01:18:05.509
My argument is,
3293
01:18:05.529 --> 01:18:07.950
insofar as we're all talking about the Constitution,
3294
01:18:08.529 --> 01:18:09.930
we have a court flawed or not,
3295
01:18:09.939 --> 01:18:11.950
the Fourth Amendment being upheld that reviews
3296
01:18:12.089 --> 01:18:13.189
the Constitution,
3297
01:18:13.390 --> 01:18:14.660
is the Fourth Amendment being upheld?
3298
01:18:14.850 --> 01:18:16.310
I'm not a constitutional scholar.
3299
01:18:16.529 --> 01:18:16.930
I don't know,
3300
01:18:17.040 --> 01:18:18.520
but there's active debate about it.
3301
01:18:18.850 --> 01:18:19.689
The answer is,
3302
01:18:19.770 --> 01:18:20.959
the answer is that it's not,
3303
01:18:21.089 --> 01:18:22.649
and we've had a serious issue with flat cameras,
3304
01:18:22.689 --> 01:18:23.160
for instance.
3305
01:18:23.490 --> 01:18:26.970
One video I just watched where a guy got pulled over wrongly and arrested.
3306
01:18:27.200 --> 01:18:27.209
Because
3307
01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:29.359
a flat camera flagged his car down.
3308
01:18:29.549 --> 01:18:31.080
Now when the police show up at your house and accuse
3309
01:18:31.080 --> 01:18:33.629
you of a crime with fake evidence and you get arrested,
3310
01:18:33.759 --> 01:18:35.229
that is a violation of your rights.
3311
01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:35.729
Now,
3312
01:18:35.740 --> 01:18:37.759
certainly we can argue that because of the Fourth Amendment,
3313
01:18:37.770 --> 01:18:38.709
you can go and dispute it in court,
3314
01:18:38.799 --> 01:18:40.129
but you could dispute it in court with or without
3315
01:18:40.129 --> 01:18:42.479
the Fourth Am absolutely against those like flawed cameras.
3316
01:18:42.629 --> 01:18:43.060
But again,
3317
01:18:43.310 --> 01:18:45.419
that's not the point of this topic.
3318
01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:48.140
When we're talking about does the Constitution exist
3319
01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:50.640
insofar as there's still a court review system.
3320
01:18:50.680 --> 01:18:51.080
Let's not be,
3321
01:18:51.200 --> 01:18:51.290
let's,
3322
01:18:51.359 --> 01:18:51.970
let's not argue semantics,
3323
01:18:52.069 --> 01:18:52.779
sometimes there's not.
3324
01:18:53.080 --> 01:18:53.200
Uh,
3325
01:18:53.240 --> 01:18:54.319
a good example is the case of.
3326
01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:55.120
Andrew Arnheimer,
3327
01:18:55.160 --> 01:18:58.080
where he was arrested in Georgia and brought to New Jersey in
3328
01:18:58.080 --> 01:19:00.790
violation of his constitutional rights and put in prison because of this,
3329
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:03.200
which ultimately resulted in him getting out.
3330
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:05.450
So I understand there is a constitution.
3331
01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:06.740
I know there's a physical piece of paper,
3332
01:19:06.839 --> 01:19:07.950
and I know that it does work,
3333
01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:09.370
but I'm saying effectively,
3334
01:19:09.640 --> 01:19:12.259
because what I'm saying is it has become so disputed
3335
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:16.020
and so ignored in most capacities that we may as like
3336
01:19:16.200 --> 01:19:17.720
people are not abiding by it.
3337
01:19:17.839 --> 01:19:19.080
The Democrats don't believe Republicans are.
3338
01:19:19.299 --> 01:19:20.629
Republicans don't believe Democrats are.
3339
01:19:20.839 --> 01:19:21.600
That's my point.
3340
01:19:22.109 --> 01:19:22.390
That it,
3341
01:19:22.430 --> 01:19:22.589
it's,
3342
01:19:22.629 --> 01:19:22.859
it's,
3343
01:19:22.910 --> 01:19:23.069
it's,
3344
01:19:23.109 --> 01:19:23.879
it is an ineffective.
3345
01:19:25.189 --> 01:19:25.529
Thank you.
3346
01:19:25.540 --> 01:19:26.839
You've been voted out by the majority.
3347
01:19:27.350 --> 01:19:28.229
Good talking to you again.
3348
01:19:32.660 --> 01:19:32.740
Alright,
3349
01:19:32.819 --> 01:19:34.040
if you'd like to be the next debater,
3350
01:19:34.180 --> 01:19:37.750
please head to the chair in 321.
3351
01:19:39.660 --> 01:19:39.970
How's it going?
3352
01:19:40.020 --> 01:19:40.500
Nice to meet you.
3353
01:19:40.620 --> 01:19:41.040
Nice to meet you,
3354
01:19:41.149 --> 01:19:41.459
Luke.
3355
01:19:43.120 --> 01:19:45.450
What is the point of telling
3356
01:19:45.729 --> 01:19:47.560
a bunch of different progressives
3357
01:19:47.810 --> 01:19:48.430
that
3358
01:19:48.689 --> 01:19:50.450
a bunch of things that we all agree with.
3359
01:19:51.629 --> 01:19:51.910
I don't know,
3360
01:19:51.990 --> 01:19:52.770
you tell me.
3361
01:19:53.189 --> 01:19:54.290
What is the point of that?
3362
01:19:54.589 --> 01:19:57.250
You're sitting within this pocket of safe moderation,
3363
01:19:57.470 --> 01:19:57.720
right?
3364
01:19:58.029 --> 01:19:59.270
You are a former Bernie bro,
3365
01:19:59.350 --> 01:19:59.589
right?
3366
01:19:59.750 --> 01:20:00.229
Oh yeah.
3367
01:20:00.589 --> 01:20:00.950
Hell yeah,
3368
01:20:01.060 --> 01:20:01.740
I agree with you.
3369
01:20:01.950 --> 01:20:04.350
I was there when the bird landed on the podium in Portland.
3370
01:20:04.390 --> 01:20:05.339
I was fucking there,
3371
01:20:05.470 --> 01:20:05.620
man.
3372
01:20:05.709 --> 01:20:06.729
I completely agree.
3373
01:20:07.580 --> 01:20:10.439
And we both probably got disenfranchised by our
3374
01:20:10.779 --> 01:20:11.060
party,
3375
01:20:11.140 --> 01:20:11.279
right?
3376
01:20:11.299 --> 01:20:12.680
I didn't vote for anybody in 2016.
3377
01:20:13.459 --> 01:20:13.540
Sure,
3378
01:20:13.620 --> 01:20:13.950
hell yeah,
3379
01:20:14.020 --> 01:20:14.979
you did your part then.
3380
01:20:16.209 --> 01:20:16.620
Right,
3381
01:20:17.049 --> 01:20:18.109
so my question is,
3382
01:20:18.450 --> 01:20:19.750
what is the point
3383
01:20:20.049 --> 01:20:22.720
of arguing this with a bunch of people who agree with you?
3384
01:20:22.970 --> 01:20:24.669
Shouldn't you be surrounded by a bunch of
3385
01:20:25.020 --> 01:20:26.430
people that you so-called condemn?
3386
01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:26.649
Um,
3387
01:20:26.729 --> 01:20:27.930
I guess it's a production question.
3388
01:20:29.310 --> 01:20:29.470
Yeah,
3389
01:20:29.589 --> 01:20:29.709
I,
3390
01:20:29.830 --> 01:20:29.910
that,
3391
01:20:29.990 --> 01:20:30.270
that's it.
3392
01:20:30.310 --> 01:20:30.450
I mean,
3393
01:20:30.509 --> 01:20:31.229
I don't want you to say I,
3394
01:20:31.270 --> 01:20:31.939
I have claims,
3395
01:20:31.950 --> 01:20:32.330
and if,
3396
01:20:32.589 --> 01:20:33.060
if we agree,
3397
01:20:33.109 --> 01:20:33.729
I guess we can,
3398
01:20:33.819 --> 01:20:35.049
we can all smile and shake hands.
3399
01:20:35.149 --> 01:20:36.620
But like this is a direct question to you,
3400
01:20:36.629 --> 01:20:36.950
like,
3401
01:20:37.390 --> 01:20:39.790
why sit in this pocket of moderation if you
3402
01:20:39.990 --> 01:20:42.390
so clearly condemn everything that's going on on the right,
3403
01:20:42.580 --> 01:20:44.770
a group that is so clearly eroding
3404
01:20:45.029 --> 01:20:45.709
the Constitution.
3405
01:20:46.384 --> 01:20:48.854
Why are you sitting here arguing with people that agree with you?
3406
01:20:49.064 --> 01:20:49.265
Is your,
3407
01:20:49.305 --> 01:20:51.745
is your argument that I should be a progressive or a
3408
01:20:51.745 --> 01:20:53.544
liberal because I don't like what's happened to the Constitution?
3409
01:20:53.615 --> 01:20:53.745
No,
3410
01:20:53.805 --> 01:20:57.084
I think you should be a little bit louder about the things that you actually believe
3411
01:20:57.424 --> 01:20:57.924
instead of
3412
01:20:58.104 --> 01:20:59.484
this like safe
3413
01:20:59.705 --> 01:21:01.125
beanie wearing moderate.
3414
01:21:01.464 --> 01:21:02.185
But what does that mean?
3415
01:21:04.080 --> 01:21:04.279
Well,
3416
01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:06.120
I condemn everything that the right has done.
3417
01:21:06.240 --> 01:21:07.509
I didn't say I condemn everything the right has done.
3418
01:21:07.580 --> 01:21:07.709
I,
3419
01:21:08.410 --> 01:21:09.180
let's put it like this.
3420
01:21:09.640 --> 01:21:13.069
When I look at the option in 2020 between Donald Trump and Joe Biden,
3421
01:21:13.160 --> 01:21:14.959
I was actually supporting Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang,
3422
01:21:15.160 --> 01:21:17.279
and the Democratic Party does what the Democratic Party does.
3423
01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:17.839
So I said,
3424
01:21:17.919 --> 01:21:18.200
OK,
3425
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:18.479
well,
3426
01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:20.790
who's the guy who's going to have my back more than them?
3427
01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:22.620
These people I view as
3428
01:21:22.839 --> 01:21:23.839
authoritarian,
3429
01:21:24.140 --> 01:21:24.919
bad for a bunch of.
3430
01:21:25.020 --> 01:21:25.819
Different reasons
3431
01:21:26.029 --> 01:21:27.180
and and Trump's first term,
3432
01:21:27.220 --> 01:21:28.919
it was a nightmare what they were doing.
3433
01:21:29.129 --> 01:21:31.220
And Donald Trump put out a second term agenda and I said,
3434
01:21:31.290 --> 01:21:31.549
you know what,
3435
01:21:31.620 --> 01:21:33.240
there's a bunch of these things I agree with,
3436
01:21:33.339 --> 01:21:36.700
and the Democratic Party I find to be it is untenable what they have done.
3437
01:21:36.859 --> 01:21:36.979
Tim,
3438
01:21:37.060 --> 01:21:38.620
like you are a smart guy.
3439
01:21:38.819 --> 01:21:38.970
I,
3440
01:21:39.060 --> 01:21:39.220
I'm,
3441
01:21:39.290 --> 01:21:41.609
I'm not going to sit here and call you dumb and shake my head at you.
3442
01:21:41.899 --> 01:21:42.970
You're a smart guy.
3443
01:21:43.259 --> 01:21:45.200
How were you so easily conned?
3444
01:21:45.220 --> 01:21:45.939
In what way?
3445
01:21:46.899 --> 01:21:47.459
Saying that like,
3446
01:21:47.540 --> 01:21:47.640
well,
3447
01:21:47.740 --> 01:21:47.890
no,
3448
01:21:48.500 --> 01:21:50.000
he's gonna do what he says he's gonna do.
3449
01:21:50.629 --> 01:21:50.640
But
3450
01:21:51.390 --> 01:21:51.990
what do you mean?
3451
01:21:52.629 --> 01:21:52.709
Like,
3452
01:21:52.990 --> 01:21:53.000
get,
3453
01:21:53.009 --> 01:21:53.029
get,
3454
01:21:53.149 --> 01:21:53.899
give me specifics.
3455
01:21:54.140 --> 01:21:54.549
OK,
3456
01:21:54.750 --> 01:21:55.270
um,
3457
01:21:55.629 --> 01:21:56.750
like I appreciate that the,
3458
01:21:56.790 --> 01:21:57.310
the line of thought,
3459
01:21:57.419 --> 01:21:58.189
but you gotta be specific.
3460
01:21:58.310 --> 01:22:01.250
Give me a specific about something that you voted for Donald Trump
3461
01:22:01.830 --> 01:22:02.310
to do
3462
01:22:02.509 --> 01:22:03.100
tariffs.
3463
01:22:03.910 --> 01:22:04.750
How did that work out?
3464
01:22:05.109 --> 01:22:06.209
Fantastic for me.
3465
01:22:06.500 --> 01:22:06.629
Yeah,
3466
01:22:06.740 --> 01:22:07.270
we're all rich,
3467
01:22:07.350 --> 01:22:07.520
right?
3468
01:22:07.629 --> 01:22:07.830
We're all,
3469
01:22:07.930 --> 01:22:08.770
we're all cruising.
3470
01:22:09.149 --> 01:22:09.350
That's,
3471
01:22:09.430 --> 01:22:10.450
that's working out for us.
3472
01:22:10.790 --> 01:22:10.870
Well,
3473
01:22:10.910 --> 01:22:11.209
I think,
3474
01:22:11.350 --> 01:22:11.509
I,
3475
01:22:11.669 --> 01:22:11.779
I,
3476
01:22:11.830 --> 01:22:11.990
I,
3477
01:22:12.069 --> 01:22:12.430
I think,
3478
01:22:12.549 --> 01:22:13.089
I think you,
3479
01:22:13.310 --> 01:22:16.419
there's a fundamental fundamental misunderstanding among people who don't do
3480
01:22:16.419 --> 01:22:18.509
manufacturing or run businesses on the issue of tariffs.
3481
01:22:18.850 --> 01:22:19.629
So for me,
3482
01:22:19.830 --> 01:22:20.649
the issue of.
3483
01:22:20.830 --> 01:22:22.390
Trade control was extremely important.
3484
01:22:22.509 --> 01:22:23.649
We don't see that from the Democratic Party,
3485
01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:24.430
so I voted for that.
3486
01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:25.549
Trump did it,
3487
01:22:25.629 --> 01:22:28.109
and I fully acknowledge that there's negative repercussions,
3488
01:22:28.310 --> 01:22:30.229
but it's called spending money to fix problems down the road.
3489
01:22:30.310 --> 01:22:32.549
Why are you willing to erode the Constitution,
3490
01:22:32.669 --> 01:22:34.629
something that you so vehemently fought for?
3491
01:22:34.669 --> 01:22:34.740
No,
3492
01:22:34.790 --> 01:22:35.029
I think,
3493
01:22:35.069 --> 01:22:37.339
I think Democrats erode the Constitution substantially more.
3494
01:22:38.709 --> 01:22:38.979
So,
3495
01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:39.450
uh,
3496
01:22:40.149 --> 01:22:41.419
we can talk about the 1st Amendment,
3497
01:22:41.470 --> 01:22:43.899
we can talk about the Biden administration going in and get people banned.
3498
01:22:44.189 --> 01:22:45.430
That's the easiest one.
3499
01:22:45.750 --> 01:22:46.950
We can talk about the Fourth Amendment.
3500
01:22:47.009 --> 01:22:48.810
I remember that nasty Democrat,
3501
01:22:48.950 --> 01:22:49.120
uh,
3502
01:22:49.160 --> 01:22:50.029
Brandon Carr,
3503
01:22:50.240 --> 01:22:50.490
who,
3504
01:22:50.509 --> 01:22:50.799
uh,
3505
01:22:50.810 --> 01:22:51.330
took down
3506
01:22:51.750 --> 01:22:52.270
Jimmy Kimmel,
3507
01:22:52.350 --> 01:22:54.180
the stand-up comedian that I am.
3508
01:22:54.430 --> 01:22:55.290
What what did Carr say?
3509
01:22:55.750 --> 01:22:56.160
He,
3510
01:22:56.279 --> 01:22:58.120
he made a call directly to NBC.
3511
01:22:58.520 --> 01:22:59.459
Why should
3512
01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:01.700
unilateral government power
3513
01:23:01.919 --> 01:23:02.950
be used like that?
3514
01:23:03.120 --> 01:23:04.180
And why are you
3515
01:23:04.390 --> 01:23:04.919
just saying,
3516
01:23:04.959 --> 01:23:05.669
I condemn that,
3517
01:23:05.750 --> 01:23:07.600
but you're actively doing nothing to fight it?
3518
01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:07.720
No,
3519
01:23:07.810 --> 01:23:07.830
no,
3520
01:23:07.859 --> 01:23:07.870
no,
3521
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:08.279
I think,
3522
01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:11.359
I think the issue largely is regulatory bodies exist.
3523
01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:13.040
I agree with the existence of regulatory bodies.
3524
01:23:13.250 --> 01:23:14.459
Sometimes they do things you don't like.
3525
01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:15.410
You didn't like it here,
3526
01:23:15.450 --> 01:23:17.439
but I'm sure you like regulatory bodies elsewhere.
3527
01:23:17.910 --> 01:23:18.319
So I'm not,
3528
01:23:18.439 --> 01:23:18.680
I'm not,
3529
01:23:18.759 --> 01:23:20.080
I'm not going to come out and pretend to be.
3530
01:23:20.205 --> 01:23:22.544
Angry about something that is complicated or litigation we
3531
01:23:22.544 --> 01:23:24.845
don't understand because it's it's tribal points for me.
3532
01:23:25.084 --> 01:23:25.535
I'm going to say,
3533
01:23:25.604 --> 01:23:26.765
what did Brendan Carr actually say?
3534
01:23:26.814 --> 01:23:28.145
What did he actually say when he called NBC?
3535
01:23:28.915 --> 01:23:30.145
You need to take Jimmy Kimmel down.
3536
01:23:30.194 --> 01:23:30.964
He did not say that.
3537
01:23:31.044 --> 01:23:31.725
Then what did he say?
3538
01:23:31.845 --> 01:23:32.395
I don't know,
3539
01:23:32.444 --> 01:23:34.765
and that's why I don't have a strong opinion about the issue right now.
3540
01:23:34.924 --> 01:23:35.084
Right?
3541
01:23:35.245 --> 01:23:36.595
So you can't tell me what he said.
3542
01:23:36.685 --> 01:23:37.845
You can't pretend to be angry.
3543
01:23:37.955 --> 01:23:38.685
We're going to pause here.
3544
01:23:38.805 --> 01:23:39.365
Thank you so much.
3545
01:23:39.444 --> 01:23:40.754
You've been voted out by the majority.
3546
01:23:40.884 --> 01:23:41.544
Boisterous.
3547
01:23:43.185 --> 01:23:43.725
I appreciate it.
3548
01:23:43.884 --> 01:23:44.524
Nice meeting you.
3549
01:23:46.410 --> 01:23:47.729
If you'd like to be the next debater,
3550
01:23:47.890 --> 01:23:51.290
please head to the chair in 321.
3551
01:23:54.919 --> 01:23:55.620
Welcome back
3552
01:23:56.870 --> 01:23:58.669
So the whole point of it being like,
3553
01:23:58.750 --> 01:23:59.060
oh,
3554
01:23:59.140 --> 01:23:59.709
it's the left,
3555
01:23:59.750 --> 01:24:00.479
it's the right.
3556
01:24:00.799 --> 01:24:02.509
I'm a constitutional abolitionist.
3557
01:24:02.790 --> 01:24:03.580
I want it gone.
3558
01:24:03.950 --> 01:24:05.310
Who's the constitution written for?
3559
01:24:05.669 --> 01:24:09.169
It's written for the original American colonists who started this country,
3560
01:24:09.939 --> 01:24:10.540
which were
3561
01:24:10.790 --> 01:24:12.180
largely white Protestants.
3562
01:24:12.430 --> 01:24:14.870
So it was written for white men that own land,
3563
01:24:15.189 --> 01:24:15.330
right?
3564
01:24:15.629 --> 01:24:15.870
Mostly,
3565
01:24:15.950 --> 01:24:16.069
yes,
3566
01:24:16.200 --> 01:24:16.350
yeah,
3567
01:24:16.470 --> 01:24:16.930
perfect.
3568
01:24:17.390 --> 01:24:18.339
And after that,
3569
01:24:18.350 --> 01:24:19.589
everyone else has been given rights.
3570
01:24:20.370 --> 01:24:20.569
Right,
3571
01:24:20.689 --> 01:24:22.040
they've not been given rights.
3572
01:24:22.330 --> 01:24:24.919
I would argue that over a long enough period of time,
3573
01:24:25.129 --> 01:24:26.330
there's been advocacy to make the
3574
01:24:26.330 --> 01:24:28.609
Constitution protect against a government infringement.
3575
01:24:28.810 --> 01:24:28.919
The,
3576
01:24:28.970 --> 01:24:32.910
the Constitutions given the rights that protect the white men that own land.
3577
01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:33.859
Everyone else,
3578
01:24:33.899 --> 01:24:34.870
I don't think we're disagreeing.
3579
01:24:34.879 --> 01:24:35.229
I'm just,
3580
01:24:35.390 --> 01:24:35.870
I'm saying we don't,
3581
01:24:36.080 --> 01:24:37.319
the Congress doesn't give us the rights.
3582
01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:38.879
It stops the government from doing things.
3583
01:24:39.029 --> 01:24:39.160
Yeah,
3584
01:24:39.319 --> 01:24:39.509
sure,
3585
01:24:39.680 --> 01:24:42.240
it gives you the protection from blah blah blah.
3586
01:24:42.330 --> 01:24:42.399
Fine.
3587
01:24:42.529 --> 01:24:42.560
Yeah,
3588
01:24:42.609 --> 01:24:45.669
and it was like overwhelmingly white European so the point that I'm,
3589
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:46.500
I'm making is
3590
01:24:46.799 --> 01:24:48.000
we've seen throughout the history of our
3591
01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:49.830
country that other people have been attacked,
3592
01:24:49.919 --> 01:24:50.290
right?
3593
01:24:50.759 --> 01:24:52.959
Every other marginalized group has been attacked.
3594
01:24:53.029 --> 01:24:54.279
There's been amendments,
3595
01:24:54.390 --> 01:24:55.569
there's been back and forth,
3596
01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:58.350
whether people do or do not have access to rights.
3597
01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:01.419
The whole point that I'm getting to is the United States Constitution
3598
01:25:01.640 --> 01:25:02.759
needs to be thrown out completely.
3599
01:25:03.870 --> 01:25:05.620
Thomas Jefferson agrees with me.
3600
01:25:07.020 --> 01:25:11.529
Thomas Jefferson said that the Constitution should be rewritten every 19 years.
3601
01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:11.959
Now,
3602
01:25:12.229 --> 01:25:13.720
around that time they were dying early,
3603
01:25:13.839 --> 01:25:15.790
so I'm thinking it's like 50 years or whatever,
3604
01:25:16.080 --> 01:25:18.430
but he made the point that if we actually have,
3605
01:25:18.839 --> 01:25:18.939
uh,
3606
01:25:18.959 --> 01:25:19.560
legislation,
3607
01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:20.000
laws,
3608
01:25:20.040 --> 01:25:21.939
or a constitution that governs people
3609
01:25:22.080 --> 01:25:23.919
in the future based off of what we've written,
3610
01:25:24.160 --> 01:25:25.279
then we're doing an injustice.
3611
01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:29.620
So saying that we should uphold something that was written 250 years ago
3612
01:25:29.799 --> 01:25:31.859
when I was 3/5 of a person.
3613
01:25:32.290 --> 01:25:32.589
Like,
3614
01:25:32.609 --> 01:25:33.189
what are we doing?
3615
01:25:33.290 --> 01:25:33.410
Oh,
3616
01:25:33.490 --> 01:25:34.450
back then it was worse than that.
3617
01:25:34.589 --> 01:25:35.680
That's compromising.
3618
01:25:36.009 --> 01:25:36.120
Have you,
3619
01:25:36.129 --> 01:25:36.290
uh,
3620
01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:37.970
have you read the 1619 Project?
3621
01:25:38.350 --> 01:25:38.600
Uh,
3622
01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:38.839
I,
3623
01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:39.160
no,
3624
01:25:39.350 --> 01:25:39.520
OK,
3625
01:25:39.640 --> 01:25:39.729
cool.
3626
01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:42.069
The reason the Constitution and the,
3627
01:25:42.160 --> 01:25:43.879
the way the United States government is set up,
3628
01:25:43.919 --> 01:25:47.160
it's literally because the founding fathers were slave owners.
3629
01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:50.250
They were racist slave owners that wanted to uphold that power,
3630
01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:51.740
and they wanted to give the power
3631
01:25:51.959 --> 01:25:52.680
to the states.
3632
01:25:52.759 --> 01:25:52.799
Well,
3633
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:54.709
there's there's a lot of context missing from that.
3634
01:25:54.759 --> 01:25:55.600
You're familiar with the,
3635
01:25:55.709 --> 01:25:55.839
the,
3636
01:25:55.919 --> 01:25:56.069
the,
3637
01:25:56.120 --> 01:25:56.419
the,
3638
01:25:56.430 --> 01:25:56.589
uh,
3639
01:25:56.839 --> 01:25:58.080
issue of the Declaration of Declaration of
3640
01:25:58.080 --> 01:25:59.479
Independence in South Carolina and Georgia.
3641
01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:02.649
Thomas Jefferson was angry with the king for bringing slaves to the colonies.
3642
01:26:02.799 --> 01:26:04.060
I'm not saying he wasn't a racist.
3643
01:26:04.620 --> 01:26:04.779
He,
3644
01:26:04.850 --> 01:26:06.970
he wanted to include a provision of the biggest reasons
3645
01:26:06.970 --> 01:26:09.939
for the Revolutionary War is because Britain no longer wanted
3646
01:26:09.939 --> 01:26:13.169
to uphold chattel slavery and the colonies wanted to because
3647
01:26:13.169 --> 01:26:15.580
they had been so successful as far as making money.
3648
01:26:15.740 --> 01:26:16.729
The colonies period.
3649
01:26:16.939 --> 01:26:17.700
The Southern colonies.
3650
01:26:17.939 --> 01:26:18.759
The colonies period after the Civil War,
3651
01:26:21.660 --> 01:26:24.100
then they shifted away where you saw kind of a split where
3652
01:26:24.100 --> 01:26:26.580
the northern colonies didn't want it as much as the southern colonies.
3653
01:26:26.740 --> 01:26:27.649
Before the Civil Wars besides the point.
3654
01:26:27.700 --> 01:26:28.520
This is around 1820,
3655
01:26:28.529 --> 01:26:28.830
in fact.
3656
01:26:29.009 --> 01:26:29.049
No,
3657
01:26:29.129 --> 01:26:29.919
I'm saying after,
3658
01:26:30.049 --> 01:26:30.629
after the,
3659
01:26:30.890 --> 01:26:32.529
so around 18 after the Civil War,
3660
01:26:32.569 --> 01:26:32.810
I'm sorry,
3661
01:26:32.890 --> 01:26:33.930
after the Revolutionary War,
3662
01:26:33.990 --> 01:26:34.049
right,
3663
01:26:34.169 --> 01:26:34.290
right.
3664
01:26:34.370 --> 01:26:34.850
So yes,
3665
01:26:34.930 --> 01:26:35.089
yes,
3666
01:26:35.209 --> 01:26:36.850
very shortly after the Revolutionary War,
3667
01:26:37.049 --> 01:26:38.649
Thomas Jefferson had written a,
3668
01:26:38.910 --> 01:26:40.709
a statement for the Declaration that stated
3669
01:26:40.850 --> 01:26:43.410
the king has brought people to this land to wage war against us,
3670
01:26:43.569 --> 01:26:44.470
something to that effect.
3671
01:26:44.740 --> 01:26:46.350
And South Carolina and Georgia
3672
01:26:46.759 --> 01:26:48.830
contested to its inclusion in the Declaration.
3673
01:26:49.200 --> 01:26:51.080
Because they wanted slavery so bad,
3674
01:26:51.149 --> 01:26:51.640
but don't get me wrong,
3675
01:26:51.879 --> 01:26:52.589
one of the,
3676
01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:57.339
one of the biggest drivers was the fact that there was a slave that was in the colonies
3677
01:26:57.520 --> 01:26:59.439
and his slave owner took him to Britain,
3678
01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:00.120
and Britain
3679
01:27:00.310 --> 01:27:02.109
actually had a rule that no one could be slaves,
3680
01:27:02.120 --> 01:27:05.140
and so he was able to win his freedom for being in Britain,
3681
01:27:05.350 --> 01:27:06.740
and that shook the foundation
3682
01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:07.839
of the colonies,
3683
01:27:07.919 --> 01:27:09.500
which forced them to actually
3684
01:27:09.799 --> 01:27:12.779
push for the Revolutionary War and then come with the United States Constitution.
3685
01:27:13.040 --> 01:27:14.020
The point that I'm trying to make is the
3686
01:27:14.020 --> 01:27:15.720
United States Constitution needs to be abolished because.
3687
01:27:15.779 --> 01:27:17.540
It does not protect all the people.
3688
01:27:17.779 --> 01:27:19.560
We need to completely rewrite the United States
3689
01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:22.060
Constitution Constitution and give protections to everyone.
3690
01:27:22.180 --> 01:27:23.240
Everyone needs to have
3691
01:27:23.410 --> 01:27:25.259
equal rights under the protection of the law.
3692
01:27:25.540 --> 01:27:25.779
We can,
3693
01:27:25.970 --> 01:27:27.379
we can go back and forth about everything else.
3694
01:27:27.660 --> 01:27:27.810
Do you,
3695
01:27:27.899 --> 01:27:28.700
do you think that,
3696
01:27:28.740 --> 01:27:29.209
uh,
3697
01:27:29.500 --> 01:27:29.569
I,
3698
01:27:29.620 --> 01:27:29.680
I,
3699
01:27:29.899 --> 01:27:30.020
you're,
3700
01:27:30.069 --> 01:27:30.819
you're allowed to have the opinion,
3701
01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:31.899
you don't like the Constitution and all that stuff.
3702
01:27:31.939 --> 01:27:32.580
I'm not gonna argue.
3703
01:27:32.740 --> 01:27:33.240
Do you think,
3704
01:27:33.379 --> 01:27:34.799
how do you think this country would react
3705
01:27:34.799 --> 01:27:37.259
if you were successful in abolishing the Constitution?
3706
01:27:37.459 --> 01:27:37.620
Yeah,
3707
01:27:37.720 --> 01:27:39.819
I think that it'll be a violent revolution.
3708
01:27:40.180 --> 01:27:40.859
Pause here.
3709
01:27:41.020 --> 01:27:42.120
We're out of time.
3710
01:27:42.970 --> 01:27:43.089
I,
3711
01:27:43.180 --> 01:27:43.770
I appreciated that,
3712
01:27:43.779 --> 01:27:43.790
yeah.
3713
01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:46.350
All right,
3714
01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:46.779
Tim,
3715
01:27:46.879 --> 01:27:48.740
it is time for the final debate.
3716
01:27:48.919 --> 01:27:51.220
You'll have 10 minutes uninterrupted.
3717
01:27:51.520 --> 01:27:52.870
Now look around the room
3718
01:27:53.040 --> 01:27:55.740
and choose who you like to continue the dialogue with.
3719
01:27:56.160 --> 01:27:56.979
Uh,
3720
01:27:57.080 --> 01:27:58.299
I think I'll go with,
3721
01:27:58.430 --> 01:27:58.910
uh,
3722
01:27:59.080 --> 01:27:59.830
I like this guy.
3723
01:28:00.080 --> 01:28:01.160
Why did you choose Luke?
3724
01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:04.350
He had asked me questions about why I believed what I
3725
01:28:04.350 --> 01:28:05.959
believed or why I would vote the way that I did,
3726
01:28:06.069 --> 01:28:07.000
and I thought,
3727
01:28:07.080 --> 01:28:07.819
I thought it was genuine.
3728
01:28:07.919 --> 01:28:09.020
I thought we could have a good conversation,
3729
01:28:09.229 --> 01:28:12.180
so I'm interested in hearing also what he thinks and what he believes and
3730
01:28:12.649 --> 01:28:12.790
where,
3731
01:28:12.839 --> 01:28:14.270
where maybe we'll disagree and agree.
3732
01:28:14.779 --> 01:28:16.859
My surrounding claim is that in 2026,
3733
01:28:17.020 --> 01:28:19.040
all moderates are cowards.
3734
01:28:24.379 --> 01:28:24.649
All right,
3735
01:28:24.740 --> 01:28:24.899
well,
3736
01:28:24.979 --> 01:28:25.560
uh,
3737
01:28:26.100 --> 01:28:26.720
no,
3738
01:28:27.279 --> 01:28:27.290
sure,
3739
01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:28.899
and I certainly don't think,
3740
01:28:29.209 --> 01:28:29.879
don't think I am.
3741
01:28:30.089 --> 01:28:30.810
I think that,
3742
01:28:30.819 --> 01:28:31.640
uh,
3743
01:28:32.180 --> 01:28:34.359
11 of the biggest problems that we have in this country is,
3744
01:28:34.410 --> 01:28:34.899
uh,
3745
01:28:34.910 --> 01:28:34.939
uh,
3746
01:28:34.950 --> 01:28:36.200
media polarization.
3747
01:28:36.660 --> 01:28:37.250
There are,
3748
01:28:37.299 --> 01:28:37.720
uh,
3749
01:28:37.740 --> 01:28:40.569
family members of mine that only watch MS now,
3750
01:28:40.850 --> 01:28:43.479
and there are family members of mine that only watch Fox News,
3751
01:28:43.740 --> 01:28:44.200
and
3752
01:28:44.379 --> 01:28:45.240
I watch both.
3753
01:28:45.580 --> 01:28:46.609
And so then I see,
3754
01:28:46.779 --> 01:28:46.899
you know,
3755
01:28:46.979 --> 01:28:47.020
when,
3756
01:28:47.140 --> 01:28:48.220
when I turn on MS now,
3757
01:28:48.339 --> 01:28:50.799
the only thing they're talking about is going to be in one direction.
3758
01:28:50.819 --> 01:28:51.529
I turn on Fox News,
3759
01:28:51.580 --> 01:28:53.000
the only thing they're talking about is in the other direction.
3760
01:28:53.379 --> 01:28:55.479
And this makes people really on edge,
3761
01:28:55.660 --> 01:28:56.220
and then say,
3762
01:28:56.229 --> 01:28:57.379
I need to be on one side.
3763
01:28:57.419 --> 01:28:59.259
It crafts a moral worldview.
3764
01:28:59.660 --> 01:28:59.740
Well,
3765
01:28:59.819 --> 01:29:01.399
I certainly understand your point,
3766
01:29:01.470 --> 01:29:01.620
you're,
3767
01:29:01.700 --> 01:29:01.740
you,
3768
01:29:01.859 --> 01:29:03.009
what I'm actually,
3769
01:29:03.060 --> 01:29:03.370
let me do this.
3770
01:29:03.410 --> 01:29:04.319
Are you saying take a side,
3771
01:29:04.540 --> 01:29:05.439
stand up for something?
3772
01:29:06.870 --> 01:29:07.649
More or less
3773
01:29:07.830 --> 01:29:11.689
I'm saying that over the last we'll say 26 years,
3774
01:29:11.750 --> 01:29:12.109
right,
3775
01:29:12.470 --> 01:29:13.370
we have been,
3776
01:29:13.509 --> 01:29:13.879
well,
3777
01:29:14.080 --> 01:29:15.479
barring 2016,
3778
01:29:15.669 --> 01:29:17.810
so from 2000 to 2016
3779
01:29:18.029 --> 01:29:20.399
we were kind of controlled by a centrist government
3780
01:29:20.700 --> 01:29:21.290
and
3781
01:29:21.430 --> 01:29:22.689
I feel like that.
3782
01:29:23.430 --> 01:29:25.660
Even though Barack Obama was a progressive for his time,
3783
01:29:25.910 --> 01:29:27.910
we view him now as pretty centrist,
3784
01:29:28.080 --> 01:29:28.390
right?
3785
01:29:28.850 --> 01:29:28.859
Uh,
3786
01:29:28.870 --> 01:29:30.250
we're in a room full of progressives,
3787
01:29:30.470 --> 01:29:30.830
um,
3788
01:29:30.950 --> 01:29:32.600
I would agree just even back then as well,
3789
01:29:32.709 --> 01:29:32.970
right.
3790
01:29:34.890 --> 01:29:36.640
That opened the door
3791
01:29:37.419 --> 01:29:39.740
for someone like Donald Trump to come in
3792
01:29:39.979 --> 01:29:42.359
and actively erode our Constitution
3793
01:29:42.580 --> 01:29:45.299
and the very foundation that our country is supposed to be.
3794
01:29:46.729 --> 01:29:46.839
Well,
3795
01:29:46.950 --> 01:29:47.089
is it,
3796
01:29:47.129 --> 01:29:50.270
is your argument that everyone should be against Donald Trump then?
3797
01:29:50.410 --> 01:29:50.689
No.
3798
01:29:51.709 --> 01:29:52.419
So then,
3799
01:29:52.500 --> 01:29:55.379
then what's your gripe with the gripe with moderates?
3800
01:29:56.319 --> 01:29:57.240
Centrism
3801
01:29:57.419 --> 01:29:59.879
and moderation in 2026
3802
01:30:00.020 --> 01:30:01.240
in the age of
3803
01:30:01.580 --> 01:30:02.540
AIPAC money,
3804
01:30:03.060 --> 01:30:04.279
in the age of
3805
01:30:04.459 --> 01:30:05.529
Larry Ellison,
3806
01:30:05.850 --> 01:30:06.919
Barry Weiss,
3807
01:30:07.140 --> 01:30:08.410
all of these talking heads,
3808
01:30:08.500 --> 01:30:10.020
all of these political entities,
3809
01:30:10.140 --> 01:30:10.700
Peter Thiel,
3810
01:30:10.819 --> 01:30:11.620
Mark Zuckerberg,
3811
01:30:11.819 --> 01:30:12.350
all these,
3812
01:30:12.620 --> 01:30:14.740
this technocracy that we are not far from,
3813
01:30:14.939 --> 01:30:15.299
right?
3814
01:30:16.879 --> 01:30:17.560
Why
3815
01:30:17.919 --> 01:30:19.160
do you get
3816
01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:20.779
to sit in the middle
3817
01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:22.790
and argue both sides
3818
01:30:23.200 --> 01:30:24.540
while raking in dollars
3819
01:30:24.799 --> 01:30:26.259
from these exact entities?
3820
01:30:27.330 --> 01:30:27.410
Well,
3821
01:30:27.490 --> 01:30:27.729
what's your,
3822
01:30:27.810 --> 01:30:28.089
what's your,
3823
01:30:28.200 --> 01:30:28.709
what's your
3824
01:30:28.850 --> 01:30:29.160
proposal?
3825
01:30:29.200 --> 01:30:29.520
What's,
3826
01:30:29.810 --> 01:30:29.919
I,
3827
01:30:30.009 --> 01:30:30.069
I,
3828
01:30:30.290 --> 01:30:30.370
I,
3829
01:30:30.419 --> 01:30:30.430
I,
3830
01:30:30.439 --> 01:30:30.520
I,
3831
01:30:30.569 --> 01:30:31.750
I guess I'm trying to understand.
3832
01:30:32.160 --> 01:30:32.370
Uh,
3833
01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:34.290
my view of what it means to be moderate is that
3834
01:30:34.290 --> 01:30:36.439
sometimes the right is correct and sometimes the left is correct.
3835
01:30:36.779 --> 01:30:36.790
Sure,
3836
01:30:36.810 --> 01:30:39.040
and I think my view is,
3837
01:30:39.290 --> 01:30:39.399
I,
3838
01:30:39.490 --> 01:30:40.009
I come from,
3839
01:30:40.049 --> 01:30:40.470
uh,
3840
01:30:40.759 --> 01:30:40.890
interestingly,
3841
01:30:40.930 --> 01:30:42.770
the area of Chicago where I grew up has turned red.
3842
01:30:43.009 --> 01:30:43.729
It's firefighters,
3843
01:30:43.770 --> 01:30:44.209
it's cops,
3844
01:30:44.279 --> 01:30:45.330
it's working class Joe's.
3845
01:30:45.430 --> 01:30:45.890
Why is that?
3846
01:30:46.330 --> 01:30:47.029
That it turned red?
3847
01:30:47.089 --> 01:30:47.209
Yeah,
3848
01:30:47.529 --> 01:30:49.709
I think for a lot of these people they feel that
3849
01:30:49.970 --> 01:30:50.450
the,
3850
01:30:50.609 --> 01:30:53.509
the Democratic establishment has abandoned them on a few issues.
3851
01:30:53.850 --> 01:30:54.009
The,
3852
01:30:54.129 --> 01:30:56.689
the mass migration that we saw or the large migration whatever you want,
3853
01:30:56.930 --> 01:30:57.129
wasn't,
3854
01:30:57.169 --> 01:30:57.939
wasn't there a huge,
3855
01:30:58.089 --> 01:30:58.209
yeah,
3856
01:30:58.370 --> 01:30:58.799
like you're saying,
3857
01:30:58.850 --> 01:31:00.629
wasn't there a huge migration of blue
3858
01:31:00.890 --> 01:31:01.810
to red and red to blue.
3859
01:31:02.044 --> 01:31:02.225
Right,
3860
01:31:02.404 --> 01:31:02.484
you,
3861
01:31:02.604 --> 01:31:02.674
you,
3862
01:31:02.765 --> 01:31:03.205
you made that claim.
3863
01:31:03.274 --> 01:31:04.504
You mean like California to Texas,
3864
01:31:04.915 --> 01:31:05.035
and,
3865
01:31:05.084 --> 01:31:05.564
and New York,
3866
01:31:06.154 --> 01:31:08.115
inner city Chicago to outer city Chicago suburbs,
3867
01:31:08.165 --> 01:31:08.645
things like that.
3868
01:31:08.765 --> 01:31:08.805
Yeah,
3869
01:31:08.875 --> 01:31:09.964
the people in my neighborhood didn't really move.
3870
01:31:10.004 --> 01:31:10.944
They don't have the money to do so.
3871
01:31:11.285 --> 01:31:12.444
So there is a large migration.
3872
01:31:12.515 --> 01:31:13.975
doesn't mean every neighborhood migrated,
3873
01:31:14.035 --> 01:31:14.404
but
3874
01:31:14.805 --> 01:31:15.935
particularly for where I grew up,
3875
01:31:15.964 --> 01:31:17.714
it's interesting that the politics of the
3876
01:31:17.714 --> 01:31:19.404
neighborhood kind of tracked alongside myself.
3877
01:31:19.484 --> 01:31:19.814
Like
3878
01:31:19.964 --> 01:31:20.814
in 2016,
3879
01:31:20.825 --> 01:31:21.634
I was for Bernie.
3880
01:31:21.884 --> 01:31:22.964
My the area where I grew up,
3881
01:31:23.004 --> 01:31:24.145
it was like largely blue.
3882
01:31:24.365 --> 01:31:24.475
Uh,
3883
01:31:24.524 --> 01:31:25.345
I didn't vote for anybody.
3884
01:31:25.564 --> 01:31:26.125
In 2020.
3885
01:31:26.165 --> 01:31:26.524
I said,
3886
01:31:26.685 --> 01:31:27.725
I guess I'm gonna vote for Trump.
3887
01:31:27.805 --> 01:31:28.754
That's the things I don't like about him,
3888
01:31:28.834 --> 01:31:29.365
but here's what I,
3889
01:31:29.444 --> 01:31:29.924
what I agree with him,
3890
01:31:30.084 --> 01:31:31.584
why I don't like Joe Biden vote for him.
3891
01:31:32.490 --> 01:31:32.750
Well,
3892
01:31:33.089 --> 01:31:33.680
unfortunately,
3893
01:31:33.689 --> 01:31:35.189
I think one of the big issues with Afghanistan,
3894
01:31:35.649 --> 01:31:37.959
and I'm not gonna say Trump's done well with Iran particularly,
3895
01:31:38.009 --> 01:31:38.520
you know what I mean,
3896
01:31:38.759 --> 01:31:38.919
but,
3897
01:31:38.930 --> 01:31:39.160
uh,
3898
01:31:39.169 --> 01:31:39.919
there was an issue of,
3899
01:31:39.930 --> 01:31:40.350
uh,
3900
01:31:40.370 --> 01:31:40.770
uh,
3901
01:31:40.930 --> 01:31:41.200
for one,
3902
01:31:41.250 --> 01:31:42.129
I was for Tulsi Gabbard.
3903
01:31:42.209 --> 01:31:44.310
I donated the maximum to Tulsi and to,
3904
01:31:44.330 --> 01:31:44.339
uh,
3905
01:31:44.350 --> 01:31:44.359
uh,
3906
01:31:44.410 --> 01:31:45.160
uh,
3907
01:31:45.169 --> 01:31:45.910
to Andrew Yang,
3908
01:31:46.330 --> 01:31:46.339
and,
3909
01:31:46.350 --> 01:31:46.879
and Andrew Yang,
3910
01:31:46.939 --> 01:31:47.830
how's Tulsi doing?
3911
01:31:48.529 --> 01:31:49.160
moderately well.
3912
01:31:49.209 --> 01:31:51.759
I mean she's not particularly in the political limelight as of right now,
3913
01:31:51.819 --> 01:31:54.490
but I do believe she's gonna try and run a spoiler candidacy against Democrats.
3914
01:31:54.729 --> 01:31:54.750
Sure,
3915
01:31:55.919 --> 01:31:56.209
Andrew Andrew Yang doing?
3916
01:31:57.009 --> 01:31:58.220
Andrew Yang not doing so well.
3917
01:31:58.290 --> 01:31:58.580
I mean,
3918
01:31:58.839 --> 01:31:59.899
he's got the Forward Party,
3919
01:32:00.180 --> 01:32:01.640
but why do you think that?
3920
01:32:01.979 --> 01:32:02.620
Why do I think what?
3921
01:32:02.779 --> 01:32:05.100
Why do you think that Andrew Yang is not succeeding in today's day?
3922
01:32:05.250 --> 01:32:06.560
Because I believe the Democratic machine,
3923
01:32:06.660 --> 01:32:08.660
like they did to Bernie ices out anybody who
3924
01:32:08.660 --> 01:32:12.339
wants to actually win on a populist grassroots level,
3925
01:32:12.529 --> 01:32:16.209
and I don't know how to vote for someone like Joe Biden who I think is evil,
3926
01:32:16.459 --> 01:32:18.100
and I think him and the administration,
3927
01:32:18.259 --> 01:32:19.919
Hillary Clinton have done such horrible things
3928
01:32:20.060 --> 01:32:20.209
that.
3929
01:32:20.270 --> 01:32:21.189
I said we,
3930
01:32:21.350 --> 01:32:22.049
we need,
3931
01:32:22.390 --> 01:32:23.790
like Andrew Yang was my principal guy,
3932
01:32:23.859 --> 01:32:24.910
a big fan of Tulsi as well,
3933
01:32:25.029 --> 01:32:26.709
largely because she had military service and
3934
01:32:26.709 --> 01:32:28.339
was in opposition to these foreign wars,
3935
01:32:28.509 --> 01:32:29.990
and we didn't get it for the second time,
3936
01:32:30.069 --> 01:32:30.390
I said,
3937
01:32:30.470 --> 01:32:32.029
I guess I'm voting for Donald Trump
3938
01:32:32.259 --> 01:32:33.029
for a few reasons.
3939
01:32:33.189 --> 01:32:34.810
He was the only one talking about
3940
01:32:34.990 --> 01:32:36.459
why we need trade controls,
3941
01:32:36.629 --> 01:32:37.810
and I agree with these trade controls,
3942
01:32:37.830 --> 01:32:40.589
but I fully recognize that they do cause short-term economic damage,
3943
01:32:40.629 --> 01:32:41.870
and that's bad for a lot of people.
3944
01:32:42.069 --> 01:32:43.069
I can recognize that.
3945
01:32:43.350 --> 01:32:44.089
Why do we,
3946
01:32:44.629 --> 01:32:45.100
why
3947
01:32:45.310 --> 01:32:46.419
are we in the position.
3948
01:32:46.799 --> 01:32:47.370
Or why,
3949
01:32:47.490 --> 01:32:48.830
why as a country
3950
01:32:48.970 --> 01:32:50.600
did we end up in that issue with trade?
3951
01:32:50.890 --> 01:32:51.669
Why did that happen?
3952
01:32:52.120 --> 01:32:53.120
There's a lot of arguments for it.
3953
01:32:53.169 --> 01:32:54.370
If you go back to the 90s,
3954
01:32:54.529 --> 01:32:55.410
you can look at these,
3955
01:32:55.529 --> 01:32:56.729
these general free trade agreements.
3956
01:32:56.810 --> 01:32:58.560
The belief from a lot of individuals is
3957
01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:00.319
that when there's trade agreements between countries,
3958
01:33:00.529 --> 01:33:01.390
you prevent war.
3959
01:33:01.569 --> 01:33:02.419
Who passed those?
3960
01:33:03.029 --> 01:33:03.040
These,
3961
01:33:03.209 --> 01:33:03.330
these,
3962
01:33:03.430 --> 01:33:04.020
these laws
3963
01:33:04.410 --> 01:33:05.810
that go back to both parties over the since,
3964
01:33:05.930 --> 01:33:06.640
since 1950.
3965
01:33:08.060 --> 01:33:08.830
So in the 1950s,
3966
01:33:08.919 --> 01:33:09.520
who passed them?
3967
01:33:09.649 --> 01:33:09.930
Like what,
3968
01:33:10.009 --> 01:33:10.270
what,
3969
01:33:10.330 --> 01:33:10.379
what,
3970
01:33:10.569 --> 01:33:11.689
where did they align politically?
3971
01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:13.709
Both parties and we call it the,
3972
01:33:13.759 --> 01:33:14.560
we call it the Unit Party.
3973
01:33:14.680 --> 01:33:17.200
I would say they they'd probably be pretty close to the center,
3974
01:33:17.279 --> 01:33:17.439
right?
3975
01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:18.819
One would call them a moderate.
3976
01:33:19.390 --> 01:33:20.169
We call them the Uni Party.
3977
01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:20.520
I,
3978
01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:23.479
I don't think moderates the right way to describe a cabal of elites who
3979
01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:26.709
lie about their views to attract the most voters possible and steal power from,
3980
01:33:26.870 --> 01:33:27.600
from the working class.
3981
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:27.899
Sure,
3982
01:33:28.120 --> 01:33:28.310
like,
3983
01:33:28.410 --> 01:33:29.379
like moderate is
3984
01:33:29.709 --> 01:33:30.200
just means.
3985
01:33:30.240 --> 01:33:31.029
So if you believe that,
3986
01:33:31.330 --> 01:33:33.970
what are your views in 1950?
3987
01:33:34.240 --> 01:33:34.990
Where are you voting?
3988
01:33:35.069 --> 01:33:36.000
Where are you casting your vote?
3989
01:33:36.080 --> 01:33:36.120
Oh,
3990
01:33:36.189 --> 01:33:37.339
I'm not voting for any of these people.
3991
01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:37.720
Well,
3992
01:33:38.259 --> 01:33:38.520
to be,
3993
01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:39.020
to be fair,
3994
01:33:39.080 --> 01:33:40.509
I think we're the products of the 1950s.
3995
01:33:40.520 --> 01:33:41.319
We'd have all strange,
3996
01:33:41.399 --> 01:33:42.040
like very strange political.
3997
01:33:42.234 --> 01:33:42.495
Views,
3998
01:33:42.595 --> 01:33:43.625
but I would say right now,
3999
01:33:43.794 --> 01:33:43.955
uh,
4000
01:33:44.064 --> 01:33:45.314
are you familiar with the liberal economic order?
4001
01:33:45.475 --> 01:33:45.595
Yes,
4002
01:33:45.754 --> 01:33:45.785
I,
4003
01:33:45.944 --> 01:33:46.325
I think it's,
4004
01:33:46.435 --> 01:33:47.384
it was insane.
4005
01:33:47.674 --> 01:33:51.294
And then the policies that we got from it leading up to before Trump came in
4006
01:33:51.475 --> 01:33:52.875
was the continuance of this,
4007
01:33:52.955 --> 01:33:53.115
this,
4008
01:33:53.154 --> 01:33:54.214
this policy by which
4009
01:33:54.314 --> 01:33:57.254
the United States imposes economic sanctions and military,
4010
01:33:57.584 --> 01:33:57.814
uh,
4011
01:33:57.825 --> 01:33:57.834
uh,
4012
01:33:57.845 --> 01:33:58.174
uh,
4013
01:33:58.754 --> 01:34:01.895
we'll just call it their military because it could be occupation or bombings
4014
01:34:02.035 --> 01:34:04.294
on other countries unless they enter into debt
4015
01:34:04.395 --> 01:34:05.035
with an international.
4016
01:34:05.270 --> 01:34:06.109
Banking system
4017
01:34:06.229 --> 01:34:06.819
and they thought,
4018
01:34:06.950 --> 01:34:07.270
you know what,
4019
01:34:07.350 --> 01:34:09.379
this will prevent World War II and it and did it?
4020
01:34:09.509 --> 01:34:09.770
No.
4021
01:34:09.990 --> 01:34:12.189
So they entered into foreign sovereign nations and took away
4022
01:34:12.189 --> 01:34:13.430
the rights of the people to vote as they wish.
4023
01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:15.790
How is that different like the central bank entity,
4024
01:34:15.910 --> 01:34:16.120
right?
4025
01:34:16.390 --> 01:34:17.649
How is that different than
4026
01:34:18.069 --> 01:34:21.169
most of the individuals on the right taking money from AIPAC?
4027
01:34:21.470 --> 01:34:22.100
That's not a good thing.
4028
01:34:22.149 --> 01:34:22.390
I don't,
4029
01:34:22.509 --> 01:34:23.339
I don't agree with that.
4030
01:34:23.709 --> 01:34:24.259
Those are bad things.
4031
01:34:24.430 --> 01:34:25.910
Then why do you actively support that?
4032
01:34:26.069 --> 01:34:28.029
Why do you actively support a president who's made.
4033
01:34:28.495 --> 01:34:30.185
Billions of dollars since he's taken office.
4034
01:34:30.345 --> 01:34:32.504
Why do you support that as somebody who loved Bernie?
4035
01:34:32.665 --> 01:34:35.334
The simple answer is the things that I align with,
4036
01:34:35.625 --> 01:34:36.705
clearly you don't align with,
4037
01:34:36.825 --> 01:34:37.625
and that puts me in a,
4038
01:34:37.694 --> 01:34:39.944
in a Trump position as opposed to a Democrat position.
4039
01:34:40.104 --> 01:34:40.375
Sure,
4040
01:34:40.785 --> 01:34:42.104
you have a lot of politicians on the Democrat
4041
01:34:42.104 --> 01:34:44.685
side who got behind authoritarian practices during COVID.
4042
01:34:44.895 --> 01:34:46.225
I'm not going to support those individuals.
4043
01:34:46.484 --> 01:34:46.745
I will,
4044
01:34:47.064 --> 01:34:48.805
but the authoritarian practices today
4045
01:34:49.104 --> 01:34:50.205
you're willing to look past
4046
01:34:50.424 --> 01:34:50.694
some of them,
4047
01:34:50.745 --> 01:34:51.024
yes.
4048
01:34:52.100 --> 01:34:52.950
Come on man,
4049
01:34:53.299 --> 01:34:53.740
come on,
4050
01:34:53.859 --> 01:34:54.299
like do you want me to,
4051
01:34:54.359 --> 01:34:57.220
do you want me to lie to you and equivocate and pretend that I think politicians are
4052
01:34:57.220 --> 01:34:59.859
I don't want you to lie to me and I'm so thankful that you're being honest.
4053
01:35:00.060 --> 01:35:01.490
And I'm glad these cameras can see that,
4054
01:35:01.500 --> 01:35:02.660
and I hope your fan base can.
4055
01:35:02.729 --> 01:35:04.620
And I'd say this every single night on my show.
4056
01:35:04.859 --> 01:35:05.000
It,
4057
01:35:05.060 --> 01:35:08.290
it is silly that you get people who come on here and try to defend the indefensible.
4058
01:35:08.459 --> 01:35:11.169
Like sometimes you're a conservative and you're wrong.
4059
01:35:11.540 --> 01:35:13.129
Sometimes you're a Democrat and you're wrong.
4060
01:35:13.459 --> 01:35:13.620
It's,
4061
01:35:13.689 --> 01:35:14.810
it's silly to come here and be like,
4062
01:35:15.020 --> 01:35:16.100
no matter what the argument is,
4063
01:35:16.180 --> 01:35:18.939
I have to tribalistically defend something that's stupid.
4064
01:35:19.250 --> 01:35:20.200
But here's the issue.
4065
01:35:20.450 --> 01:35:23.279
There are things that Democrats have done that terrify me,
4066
01:35:23.290 --> 01:35:24.250
and I cannot support.
4067
01:35:24.370 --> 01:35:25.009
Now that being said,
4068
01:35:25.089 --> 01:35:26.000
is there good that they've done?
4069
01:35:26.129 --> 01:35:27.069
There's a possibility,
4070
01:35:27.209 --> 01:35:27.220
uh,
4071
01:35:27.490 --> 01:35:27.640
you know,
4072
01:35:27.689 --> 01:35:28.330
the one thing I like to,
4073
01:35:28.450 --> 01:35:29.209
I like to shout out for,
4074
01:35:29.450 --> 01:35:32.049
for Joe Biden is banking and ATM issues.
4075
01:35:32.250 --> 01:35:33.810
I know it seems a little light,
4076
01:35:34.080 --> 01:35:36.370
but I can't believe that the right attacked Joe Biden
4077
01:35:36.529 --> 01:35:37.729
on the issue of trying to get,
4078
01:35:37.750 --> 01:35:38.990
get rid of ATM fees.
4079
01:35:39.169 --> 01:35:39.569
I know a guy.
4080
01:35:39.674 --> 01:35:40.995
It might sound so light,
4081
01:35:41.075 --> 01:35:42.274
but you gotta start from the bottom.
4082
01:35:42.464 --> 01:35:45.495
It sounds like a very safe Republican moderate belief.
4083
01:35:45.794 --> 01:35:46.194
And that's,
4084
01:35:46.234 --> 01:35:46.424
and,
4085
01:35:46.475 --> 01:35:46.955
and dude,
4086
01:35:46.995 --> 01:35:49.575
you are entitled to have those beliefs and like
4087
01:35:49.834 --> 01:35:51.154
we live in this country,
4088
01:35:51.234 --> 01:35:52.435
we are allowed to disagree.
4089
01:35:52.595 --> 01:35:55.395
This constitution that you allege that is fully eroded,
4090
01:35:55.435 --> 01:35:56.964
we still have the ability to do this,
4091
01:35:57.115 --> 01:35:58.064
and that rules,
4092
01:35:58.205 --> 01:35:58.674
but
4093
01:35:58.955 --> 01:35:59.854
I will say.
4094
01:36:01.049 --> 01:36:04.049
We've all seen what's been going on in our country this summer.
4095
01:36:04.509 --> 01:36:04.520
We,
4096
01:36:04.609 --> 01:36:06.160
we've been holding the World Cup here.
4097
01:36:06.330 --> 01:36:09.919
We've been seeing people come here and see this country for what it truly is,
4098
01:36:10.169 --> 01:36:11.040
and they love it.
4099
01:36:11.120 --> 01:36:11.479
They love it,
4100
01:36:11.529 --> 01:36:11.740
right?
4101
01:36:11.839 --> 01:36:12.330
It's great.
4102
01:36:12.689 --> 01:36:13.890
What do they love about it?
4103
01:36:14.399 --> 01:36:14.520
Well,
4104
01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:17.220
I love when they went to Chicago and got the deep dish pizza.
4105
01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:17.640
I,
4106
01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:18.759
I love the people who said,
4107
01:36:18.770 --> 01:36:20.200
where'd that deep dish pizza come from?
4108
01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:21.310
Giordano's?
4109
01:36:21.439 --> 01:36:21.850
Yeah.
4110
01:36:22.359 --> 01:36:22.709
OK,
4111
01:36:22.919 --> 01:36:23.759
that's that last name,
4112
01:36:23.839 --> 01:36:25.600
that doesn't sound like an American last name.
4113
01:36:25.839 --> 01:36:26.990
Where'd that pizza come from?
4114
01:36:27.140 --> 01:36:28.160
It came from America.
4115
01:36:28.240 --> 01:36:28.859
Immigrants.
4116
01:36:28.959 --> 01:36:29.459
It didn't.
4117
01:36:31.140 --> 01:36:31.149
No,
4118
01:36:31.169 --> 01:36:32.319
it didn't Chicago style deep dish came,
4119
01:36:32.439 --> 01:36:33.399
came from Chicago.
4120
01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:33.910
But,
4121
01:36:34.640 --> 01:36:37.439
but it's it's like the descendants of immigrants if you want to get technical.
4122
01:36:38.102 --> 01:36:38.441
So
4123
01:36:38.541 --> 01:36:39.512
what I'm saying is
4124
01:36:39.742 --> 01:36:41.532
these because American style pizza was uniquely
4125
01:36:41.532 --> 01:36:42.941
American and distinct from Italian style pizza.
4126
01:36:43.151 --> 01:36:43.461
Totally.
4127
01:36:43.662 --> 01:36:44.972
I know where chicken tikka masala comes,
4128
01:36:45.051 --> 01:36:45.941
but it's still pizza.
4129
01:36:46.021 --> 01:36:48.122
Do you know where chicken tikka masala is a British inclination.
4130
01:36:48.262 --> 01:36:48.821
I get it.
4131
01:36:48.941 --> 01:36:49.932
Like I fully get it,
4132
01:36:49.941 --> 01:36:50.151
man.
4133
01:36:50.551 --> 01:36:50.892
We agree it's amazing.
4134
01:36:50.981 --> 01:36:54.062
You are talking to a 365 pound man with a knife tattoo.
4135
01:36:54.372 --> 01:36:56.171
You think I don't know where tikka masala's from,
4136
01:36:56.301 --> 01:36:56.501
Doc?
4137
01:36:56.622 --> 01:36:56.731
Like,
4138
01:36:57.481 --> 01:36:57.492
I,
4139
01:36:57.501 --> 01:36:57.731
we love it,
4140
01:36:58.012 --> 01:36:58.392
we agree.
4141
01:36:58.501 --> 01:36:58.782
I mean,
4142
01:36:58.901 --> 01:36:59.012
I,
4143
01:36:59.102 --> 01:37:00.582
I don't love that it's their national dish.
4144
01:37:00.622 --> 01:37:00.821
I think.
4145
01:37:00.923 --> 01:37:01.083
I'm,
4146
01:37:01.094 --> 01:37:01.273
I'm,
4147
01:37:01.313 --> 01:37:02.224
I'm part Korean.
4148
01:37:02.724 --> 01:37:02.844
My,
4149
01:37:02.923 --> 01:37:03.043
my,
4150
01:37:03.124 --> 01:37:03.324
my,
4151
01:37:03.423 --> 01:37:03.554
my,
4152
01:37:03.934 --> 01:37:04.043
my,
4153
01:37:04.124 --> 01:37:04.313
I had,
4154
01:37:04.403 --> 01:37:06.083
I had family who fled war and came to America
4155
01:37:06.083 --> 01:37:08.184
and were welcomed in the beautiful bosom of this nation
4156
01:37:08.324 --> 01:37:09.253
to live an amazing life.
4157
01:37:09.363 --> 01:37:13.233
Then why are you voting for an entity that wants to erase that?
4158
01:37:13.324 --> 01:37:14.284
They don't want to erase it.
4159
01:37:14.324 --> 01:37:15.474
I think you have a misconception.
4160
01:37:15.644 --> 01:37:15.883
I think,
4161
01:37:15.923 --> 01:37:16.963
I think it comes down to,
4162
01:37:17.124 --> 01:37:18.704
I look at a Biden administration
4163
01:37:18.804 --> 01:37:19.804
that brings in a,
4164
01:37:19.883 --> 01:37:20.094
a,
4165
01:37:20.403 --> 01:37:23.963
there's wide estimates from 4 to even upwards of 20 million,
4166
01:37:24.043 --> 01:37:24.164
right?
4167
01:37:24.346 --> 01:37:24.545
And,
4168
01:37:24.625 --> 01:37:26.485
and if you pick what number you think is right or what's wrong,
4169
01:37:26.585 --> 01:37:27.326
it doesn't matter.
4170
01:37:27.516 --> 01:37:28.295
We saw,
4171
01:37:28.525 --> 01:37:30.445
we saw mass migration into this country
4172
01:37:30.695 --> 01:37:31.565
on a large scale,
4173
01:37:31.695 --> 01:37:33.465
and I think that is bad for the economy.
4174
01:37:33.545 --> 01:37:34.806
I think it's bad for the younger generation,
4175
01:37:35.226 --> 01:37:37.545
and I see ideologies pushed by Democratic Party
4176
01:37:37.545 --> 01:37:40.286
politicians and activists that I think are detrimental
4177
01:37:40.456 --> 01:37:41.226
to the future of the,
4178
01:37:41.255 --> 01:37:42.105
of the younger generation in this country,
4179
01:37:42.226 --> 01:37:42.976
namely my child.
4180
01:37:43.226 --> 01:37:43.425
So,
4181
01:37:43.585 --> 01:37:45.905
so we keep talking about the civil war issue,
4182
01:37:46.145 --> 01:37:47.366
the secessions and everything.
4183
01:37:47.979 --> 01:37:51.009
The big issue that's going on geopolitically
4184
01:37:51.229 --> 01:37:53.390
is we've got a massive target on our back.
4185
01:37:53.589 --> 01:37:56.089
Wouldn't you want more people to be in this country
4186
01:37:56.229 --> 01:37:57.220
to fight against that?
4187
01:37:57.470 --> 01:37:58.919
Wouldn't you want more hands the target?
4188
01:37:59.790 --> 01:38:01.029
Like I mean like who's who's the threat?
4189
01:38:01.830 --> 01:38:02.629
We are
4190
01:38:02.910 --> 01:38:03.609
Israel.
4191
01:38:04.589 --> 01:38:05.459
Through us
4192
01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:06.520
is a threat.
4193
01:38:06.879 --> 01:38:07.479
So we have,
4194
01:38:07.799 --> 01:38:09.899
but you're saying like there's gonna be retaliation in the United States.
4195
01:38:11.060 --> 01:38:11.160
They,
4196
01:38:11.520 --> 01:38:13.819
they are hanging banners calling for the
4197
01:38:13.959 --> 01:38:16.060
the assassination of our sitting president.
4198
01:38:16.439 --> 01:38:16.870
And I,
4199
01:38:16.959 --> 01:38:17.169
I,
4200
01:38:17.240 --> 01:38:17.919
I don't agree with that.
4201
01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:19.049
I don't want that to happen
4202
01:38:19.189 --> 01:38:19.799
if that were to happen.
4203
01:38:20.194 --> 01:38:20.375
I,
4204
01:38:20.435 --> 01:38:22.115
I do not like the outcome that's going to,
4205
01:38:22.794 --> 01:38:23.384
I don't,
4206
01:38:23.495 --> 01:38:23.504
I,
4207
01:38:24.165 --> 01:38:26.754
I don't see how bringing in more people from around the around the world,
4208
01:38:26.834 --> 01:38:27.095
which,
4209
01:38:27.115 --> 01:38:27.955
whether right or wrong,
4210
01:38:28.415 --> 01:38:29.035
changes that.
4211
01:38:29.145 --> 01:38:29.464
Wouldn't,
4212
01:38:29.634 --> 01:38:31.484
isn't a larger country stronger?
4213
01:38:32.495 --> 01:38:34.234
Isn't China vastly more advanced than we are?
4214
01:38:34.555 --> 01:38:34.915
Not necessarily,
4215
01:38:35.035 --> 01:38:35.294
no.
4216
01:38:35.850 --> 01:38:36.009
Yes,
4217
01:38:36.140 --> 01:38:36.439
they are.
4218
01:38:36.470 --> 01:38:36.990
Is India,
4219
01:38:37.330 --> 01:38:37.799
like they,
4220
01:38:37.850 --> 01:38:37.950
they,
4221
01:38:38.040 --> 01:38:38.279
they have,
4222
01:38:38.370 --> 01:38:40.609
they have high levels of poverty in certain areas.
4223
01:38:40.810 --> 01:38:43.930
I think they exist within a caste system that we're we're comparing.
4224
01:38:44.029 --> 01:38:44.410
I think,
4225
01:38:44.529 --> 01:38:46.330
I think the United States likes to put on these airs,
4226
01:38:46.649 --> 01:38:47.410
particularly Republicans,
4227
01:38:47.459 --> 01:38:48.569
about how everything's perfect and great.
4228
01:38:48.609 --> 01:38:49.009
When it's not,
4229
01:38:49.049 --> 01:38:49.729
you've got slums.
4230
01:38:49.970 --> 01:38:50.609
Japan does this,
4231
01:38:50.799 --> 01:38:51.490
China does this.
4232
01:38:51.770 --> 01:38:52.129
Every,
4233
01:38:52.290 --> 01:38:52.450
you know,
4234
01:38:52.490 --> 01:38:52.609
it's,
4235
01:38:52.649 --> 01:38:53.950
it's hard to gauge who's
4236
01:38:54.290 --> 01:38:55.939
like which country is going to be the,
4237
01:38:56.009 --> 01:38:56.120
the,
4238
01:38:56.129 --> 01:38:57.729
the pinnacle of success of their,
4239
01:38:57.839 --> 01:38:58.390
of their ground.
4240
01:38:58.450 --> 01:38:59.770
I don't want us to be the pinnacle.
4241
01:38:59.970 --> 01:39:01.790
I want us to be the country that we should be.
4242
01:39:02.169 --> 01:39:02.779
Which is
4243
01:39:03.040 --> 01:39:07.149
a country that continues to change and grow and develop and welcome people in.
4244
01:39:07.160 --> 01:39:08.500
I'm gonna pause here.
4245
01:39:08.680 --> 01:39:09.240
I'm gonna pause here.
4246
01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:10.790
We are out of time,
4247
01:39:11.120 --> 01:39:12.560
so I wanna thank you both.
4248
01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:14.109
I wanna thank all the debaters.
4249
01:39:14.229 --> 01:39:14.549
It was great,
4250
01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:14.759
man.
4251
01:39:19.970 --> 01:39:21.870
You guys brought a lot of passion.
4252
01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:22.810
I loved it.
4253
01:39:23.009 --> 01:39:23.129
Tim,
4254
01:39:23.209 --> 01:39:25.149
I wanna thank you for taking them all on.
4255
01:39:25.169 --> 01:39:26.350
That is not easy.
4256
01:39:26.609 --> 01:39:29.189
Would you like to continue this conversation on our podcast?
4257
01:39:29.270 --> 01:39:29.359
Yeah,
4258
01:39:29.419 --> 01:39:29.649
absolutely.
4259
01:39:30.169 --> 01:39:31.149
Love to hear it
4260
01:39:31.649 --> 01:39:33.729
and I love that you guys watched and tuned in.
4261
01:39:33.850 --> 01:39:35.549
Thank you for watching and catch us next time.
4262
01:39:35.930 --> 01:39:36.450
I think it was great.
4263
01:39:36.490 --> 01:39:36.839
I think,
4264
01:39:36.850 --> 01:39:37.379
uh,
4265
01:39:37.890 --> 01:39:39.290
everybody did a pretty good job
4266
01:39:39.490 --> 01:39:41.819
as long as we're trying to have a real conversation and get to the heart of it,
4267
01:39:41.899 --> 01:39:42.810
things usually work out well,
4268
01:39:42.890 --> 01:39:44.959
although there was that one guy who seemed really mad at me,
4269
01:39:45.009 --> 01:39:45.430
you know.
4270
01:39:45.649 --> 01:39:45.810
I,
4271
01:39:45.890 --> 01:39:48.500
I came here holding Tim to a very high standard.
4272
01:39:48.899 --> 01:39:48.910
Um,
4273
01:39:49.700 --> 01:39:51.399
that of at least a 5 year old
4274
01:39:51.859 --> 01:39:52.939
in in grade school.
4275
01:39:53.060 --> 01:39:57.140
I mostly think that Tim doesn't care about what the fallout of his rhetoric is.
4276
01:39:57.220 --> 01:39:59.580
He's primarily focused on one thing and one thing only,
4277
01:39:59.859 --> 01:40:01.020
and that's generating profit.
4278
01:40:01.220 --> 01:40:01.330
Well,
4279
01:40:01.450 --> 01:40:03.060
when you tell me that because I want to vote
4280
01:40:03.060 --> 01:40:04.660
for what I believe and I'm making civil war happen,
4281
01:40:04.740 --> 01:40:05.750
that's just proving my point.
4282
01:40:05.939 --> 01:40:06.759
I think Tim
4283
01:40:07.299 --> 01:40:09.660
stood on his own 2 ft about his beliefs.
4284
01:40:09.740 --> 01:40:10.450
He did not
4285
01:40:10.660 --> 01:40:13.000
lie about his perspective beliefs.
4286
01:40:13.560 --> 01:40:15.979
But I do believe that his beliefs
4287
01:40:16.399 --> 01:40:16.799
are
4288
01:40:17.040 --> 01:40:18.160
inherently cowardly.
4289
01:40:18.399 --> 01:40:18.919
People,
4290
01:40:19.240 --> 01:40:23.910
they get their view of me from clips presented by progressives who,
4291
01:40:24.080 --> 01:40:24.200
you know,
4292
01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:25.620
they accuse me of grifting.
4293
01:40:25.879 --> 01:40:28.799
I would counter with if they watched my show even one time,
4294
01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:31.500
they wouldn't come to me and try and make arguments that I don't
4295
01:40:31.839 --> 01:40:32.160
believe him.