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Welcome to Sunset Conversations, a BullfrogEntertainment
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.com production. I am your host, Papa Mark Lichterman,
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along with my partner, production coordinator,
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Mark Florkowski. On the 15th and 30th of each
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month, we will present you with an interesting
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and entertaining topic. One exception, that pesky
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February will be the 28th. Our podcast is a mixed
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bag of our daily life experiences as they relate
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to us and all of you. We look at personal observations.
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These may include such topics as fruits, coffee,
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teenage relationships with grandparents, traffic,
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vacations, daily frustrations, and joys. Our
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goal is to show the audience how ridiculous,
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silly, and of course joyful our lives can be.
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Each episode will end with a big smile like when
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eating ice cream. Please enjoy our Sunset Conversations
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as we take you through the journey of life. Send
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your questions, comments, and suggestions to
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info at BullfrogEntertainment .com Can you smell
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it? That unmistakable magnificent rich aroma
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of fresh brewed coffee. I don't know about you,
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but I find it problematic in the morning to begin
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my day without a cup of coffee. The history behind
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that cup of coffee is filled with adventure,
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deceit, rituals, wars, and even health benefits.
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Mark and I touch on a small portion of what is
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the story behind coffee. I for one was astonished
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as I began the research. Coffee can be as serious
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as civilizations revolting around it. It can
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also be an avenue to comfort, relaxation, and
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community. Please join us as we take you on a
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brief journey into the world of coffee. In fact,
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why not have a cup? as you listen everybody once
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again thanks for tuning in this is our inaugural
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podcast and mark and i both hope that just like
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a fine bottle of wine or a really good bourbon
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as time goes on we will improve and just get
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better and better. Mark, I'm just thinking that
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we're going to have a podcast about coffee. Maybe
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we should start 10 years ago in a situation that
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really had nothing to do with coffee. 10 years
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ago was probably a perfect time to start. Go
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right ahead. Thank you. So yeah, 10 years ago
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I went to, of all places, England and visited
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some family there in a small town called Ivy
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Bridge. and we went for a wedding and had a big
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tent out in the country. It was very English.
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I wore wellies, as they're called. Wellies? You
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gotta be kidding me. Big high boots. Oh, I love
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the British. They have all these slang terms
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that I gotta pick up on. Go for it. I actually
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learned that wellies are wellingtons. or kind
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of like what we use as like Kleenex, a term,
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just a name of a company that makes boots. There's
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all kinds of boots, but we call them, they call
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them wellies. And it was just awesome. Everything
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was very British or English about the entire
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trip. There was virtually no coffee that I drank
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at all. It was tea, I think even at the wedding,
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it was... Tea and cake if I remember right no
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coffee is a bad thing you know as a matter of
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fact I can't live I'm not fully caffeinated no
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coffee at all so now we jump ahead ten years
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and We go back to England to visit my sister
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-in -law the nephew and his wife now Fay we had
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married ten years previous and I'm sitting there
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and I'm thinking I'm gonna be drinking Nescafe
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Nescafe with the little brown cap on it. And
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how many teaspoons am I going to add? I think
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you should start with tablespoons. Yes, you're
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exactly right. And I love coffee, all kinds of
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coffees, but I can also drink all kinds of coffees.
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And I thought, well, so it's two weeks in Escafe.
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I'll be fine. So there I am with. Ironically,
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Nescafe because that's what my sister -in -law
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has in her cabinet. Did you check the date? I
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did not, but it's one of those things, I don't
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think it can go bad. What is it, honey? That
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can be found thousands of years later. It's one
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of those things you put in the safe room. So,
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you know, it never goes bad. It never goes bad.
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Along with spam. Spam and that. You're set. You
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have a little honey, a little spam, a little
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Nescafe. You're straight. You're ready to go
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for the day. My niece, Lisa, who now is ironically
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already 50 years old. It's hard to believe She
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takes a look and says uncle mark You're not gonna
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be drinking Nescafé the whole two weeks. You're
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here. Are you? Oh goodness An adult entered the
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room. I cannot even believe and I said, well,
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what's my choice and she happened to have Which
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we then visited the coffee house to get more
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some Owens Fresh roasted organic coffee. All
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right now you're talking and yes I used what's
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called the French press. Oh, now you're really
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talking. And so I had to learn the patience of
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the French press, the press of the French press.
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It was absolutely fantastic. And I'm drinking
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great coffee. It was just hard to believe. I
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never imagined. Think that's fantastic, but I'm
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still trying to get my head around French press
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because I think I'm at Planet Fitness It's unbelievable
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that makes a very good cup of coffee very easy
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to use there's no buttons to push You just put
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in the coffee well Stir it up. You know truth
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be known. I do know what that is the French press
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Yeah, but it still makes me think of the gym.
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I had I had no idea really And so from there,
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we decided to take my sister -in -law, it was
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her birthday and that was part of why we were
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going to England. We take her to St. Ives, a
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small town. And Cornwall right on the seaside.
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Oh, you got to tell the story. I remember you've
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told the story before. Yes. A beautiful, beautiful
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town. All your cobblestone streets just narrow
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enough for, you know, one car to get by throngs
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of people walking up and down there. Their summer
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season had just started, which would be in your
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driving. I was not driving things wrong side
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of the street. No, no, I'm not driving. And there
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you have to really watch out for seagulls, which
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they warn you ahead. Uh, because they will steal
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your ice cream, steal your sandwich, steal anything
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that edible that might be in your hands. Gotcha.
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They swoop down and it's in two seconds. It's
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gone and they'll fight you for it. They will
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fight you for it. And so my nieces Lisa's boyfriend,
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Chris says, why don't we go for an English breakfast?
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And so we go to one of the places in town and
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there they have. Couple of eggs over easy, some
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bacon, some sausage or bangers as they call it.
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Bangers. Yes. They're toast. And what makes it
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very British then is they give you a little side
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of baked beans as well. Isn't that something
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else? Very, you know, unusual, but it all works.
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It was a fantastic breakfast. And then he recommends
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the drink of choice at this. Breakfast cafe or
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whatever of all things a chocolate dusted cappuccino
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Very unusual. I thought you know, it'd be some
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kind of special tea or something. But right singlin
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breakfast and The cappuccino was fantastic My
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nephew also once we got back from st. Ives Took
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me to an island the island of burr Which actually?
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Agatha Christie wrote Number of her books on
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that island interesting interesting, but I'm
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still wrapping my head around the Islands name
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burr burr. Yes, and it's a burgh and I had to
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learn to pronounce it properly Silence that G.
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You got to silence that G and as you'll notice
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in our podcast sometimes my Chicago accent and
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that will destroy certain words or get in the
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way. Well, we have competing Chicago accents.
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There's no doubt about it. Yes. So we will work
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accordingly to with that. There was a inn on
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that island called the Pilchard Inn and that
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was built somewhere around 1330, 1343. I love
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that. I just love, you know, you know, we live
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in 100 year old houses. You know, they have 400
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or Yeah, that's really old. I mean, it was just
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very awesome, very old and rich inside. Great
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history that goes along with the place. I believe
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on our web web page, we'll have some information
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on on that location and that. And so we decided
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we would have a couple of Guinness. And I go
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up to the counter and there's one guy working
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and I said, I'll take two Guinness. And he says,
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OK, but you'll have to wait. And I go, OK, fine.
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and he says I have to make a bunch of coffees
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for the people on the other side of the bar and
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I look and they have got probably a three or
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four foot long magnificent coffee producing machine
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and this guy's making cappuccinos espressos lattes
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all kinds of coffee for these folks and it makes
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me think back to the pirate days that jeez if
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I was a pirate coming in here like that would
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really be upsetting that I can't get myself a
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swill of beer or rum. Rum, rum, rum. I had a
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coffee. And yet in reality, pirates ironically
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did steal coffee when it was first found. And
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I'm sure they probably added some rum into it
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also. I should hope so. So that was quite interesting
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that here I am waiting for my cup of coffee.
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And eventually, yes, I did get it. We also we
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think where else did we go while we were there
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that had to do with coffee Oh before we go anywhere
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else When we first arrived prior to us arriving
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at Heathrow Airport My niece Lisa was a little
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concerned on how to pick us up She doesn't really
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pick people up and she thought I might be afraid
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that she wouldn't find us at the airport so she
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sent me a YouTube video and You know everything
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today is Ten years ago YouTube video. I'd love
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to see that video boy would I love to see it
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So yes, this shows you how to pick someone up
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at terminal 3 and 10 year old how to's I Wanted
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to take a guess mark? What does it tell you to
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do after you've done all the figuring out of
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how to get there? You're finally there. You can
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sit down and relax What would you think they
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would tell you to do after that while you wait
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for your? passengers Go go find a banger Yeah
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Of all things that tell you they say have yourself
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a cup of coffee I would not have come that didn't
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hit my mind Again, I was like everything around
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me is coffee. No one knows i'm doing anything
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with coffee and every time I turn It's coffee
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and here I am in england So another surprise
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to me. She did find us. She picked us up We at
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one point then went to a town called Plymouth
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which many of us may know of because I believe
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that's where pilgrims came from, yes. So we go
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to the mall in Plymouth and the first thing I
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see when I walk into the mall is of all things
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a Starbucks. That sounds wonderful when you're
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so far away from home. Am I home? The next thing
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I see is a store that sells sporting apparel
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from only American professional sporting teams.
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America rules the world. I thought it was at
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Woodfield Mall. I could understand that. Right
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in the heart of the British world. And I'm looking
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at cappuccinos from Starbucks and American clothing.
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Capitalism knows no limits. Quite, quite unusual.
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After leaving there, my nephew decided that for
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his mom and for myself and my wife, he would
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have us go to a British high tea, and that was
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in Borington Hall, which again has a crazy long
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history. Queen Elizabeth I had been there. Sir
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Walter Raleigh, I think it was. This is getting
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very interesting. High tea. High tea. And, you
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know, old traditions. I would be a little nervous
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attending my first high tea. I mean, I thought
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I had to dress differently and all of that, which
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I didn't do, but I imagined I'd be out of place,
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possibly. No, it's become very modernized. You
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could probably go in there with flip -flops on
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and they literally wouldn't care. All right,
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I feel better now. What would you imagine, again,
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if you're going to high tea and your server comes
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and he asks you, what would you like to drink?
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Would you think it would be? Well, you're teeing
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me up with a question and I know that we've got
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the situation here and obviously it must have
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shocked you. Would you like coffee or tea? Yes.
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With coffee being the first preference to all
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of us, myself, my wife and my sister -in -law.
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Times have changed. And I looked and said, well,
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this is high tea. You have no choice but to defer
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to the tea. And so I did. Drink a tea which was
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very good, but we asked you want coffee at high
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tea Interesting was quite interesting Near the
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end of our trip. We decided to have a birthday
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party for my sister -in -law and we go to my
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nephew's house their daughter I don't know what
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she is a second second niece third niece at that
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point, but she's nine years old She has a history
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already of making a phenomenal cup of coffee.
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I don't know that she made that particular pot
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I don't think she did but she's got all the directions
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to do so and they her mom Mentioned that to us
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turns out that that coffee that she made Haramiya
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coffee Which we're drinking actually as we're
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yeah it's like awesome you know i'm a definite
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coffee caffeination hound and this stuff is good
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it's really good it was probably one of the best
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cups i've ever had it's produced by a five generation
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family fifth generation family fellow of the
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family lives in london my niece lisa knows him
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and purchases his coffee in fact she sent one
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with a another sister -in -law that Just came
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back recently. That's why we're drinking it because
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if you go to their website, I am I understand
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it's tough with a Chicago accent on our website
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again We'll have the name and spellings and all
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that they only deliver the coffee to England
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and Poland. Oh I'm in but it's a fantastic cup
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of coffee. And so What else what else do we got
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about England? I would say that the next time
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if any of you were to go to England rather than
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their famous 3 p .m. tea that they have you might
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want to just have a delicious fresh -roasted
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cappuccino latte or just a good old black cup
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of coffee well you know you can always count
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me in when you're offering black coffee hey doing
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a podcast about coffee can be a lot of fun Sunset
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Conversations will always be fun. All about sharing
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our adventures, experiences, and travels with
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you. To make it really interesting, we will get
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into doing a lot of research. And that research
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means details. We're going to share those details
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with you and let you know some of them can be
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very interesting and at times odd and curious.
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Sometimes just plain unbelievable. So sit back,
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relax, and enjoy today's episode. Okay, well,
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I guess before we get into other features and
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characteristics and everything else with coffee,
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let's touch a little bit on the origin and cultivation.
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And for those of you who don't know, there's
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basically two types of coffee, Arabica and Robusta.
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Arabica is originally grown in Ethiopia. It likes
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very high elevations, 600 to 2000 meters. You
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can convert that into feet if you so wish. It
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requires cooler climates with abundant moisture
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and nutrient -rich soil. Arabica plants are a
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bit more susceptible to pests and diseases, which
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makes them more challenging. and of course more
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costly to cultivate and therefore arepica coffees
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are a bit more expensive for us as opposed to
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robusta and now it's my turn to represent robusta
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it originates from central and west africa and
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it's now primarily grown in the lowland areas
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of vietnam brazil and indonesia It likes the
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lower altitudes of 0 to 700 meters and can withstand
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hotter and more humid climates. Robusta plants
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are hardier, more resistant to pests and diseases,
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and easier to grow, which makes them more cost
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-effective. Very interesting. Now, aravica, on
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the other hand, is known for its smooth, sweet
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taste with notes of fruit berries and a pleasant
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acidity. It's often... complex flavor profile
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with hints of chocolate, sugar, making it a highly
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favored coffee by coffee enthusiasts. Well, I'm
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an enthusiast, but I still have to represent
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our friend Robusta, which is characterized by
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a stronger, more bitter taste with earthy, woody,
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and sometimes nutty or chocolatey undertones.
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There's a higher caffeine content, which contributes
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to that bold and robust flavor. often described
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as harsh or grainy. Very interesting. Now for
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those of you who might be interested and live
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in an area like where we do, there's a grocer
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called Fresh Market, and there they happen to
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have open barrels of Arabica coffee, and they
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probably have some Robusta there too, I would
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imagine. I didn't look that close when I was
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once there, but you can actually see the beans,
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feel the beans, taste the beans if you want to
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pull one out of the barrel. a little interesting
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to see such a thing. And basically, arabica beans
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are generally larger, oval -shaped, and they
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have curved crease, which I have noticed before
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I grind them up to make a cup of coffee. They're
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also oilier, which contributes to their smoother
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taste. Well, okay for the smoother taste, but
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those robusta beans are smaller, rounder, and
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have a straight crease. For those of you who
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don't like cricket creases. They contain fewer
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oils which results in that more bitter taste.
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Interesting. Well, I do have to say though, Arabica
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accounts for about 70 % of the global coffee
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throughout the markets and it's often considered
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the superior in taste. And, as I have said, a
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bit more expensive for its complex flavor profile
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and higher cultivation costs. Aha, so that makes
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Robusta the underdog because it only makes up
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30 % of global coffee and is commonly used in
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the espresso blinds for its ability to produce
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a thick crema in an instant coffee Due to its
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flavor and lower cost. I must say that I really
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do love a thick crema on top of my coffee now
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that I've Found that that is such a thing and
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hey, I've advanced I used to call it foam No
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longer. Now I do call it crema. Yeah, you got
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to call it crema. I guess in conclusion, and
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what our real goal is for all of this is, of
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course, to teach us and you a little something
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about coffee. But personal preference is what
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this all basically falls under and robusto and
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arabica, although they have unique characteristic.
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It's basically personal preference. Once again.
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Arabica is smooth, sweet, and complex, and Robusta
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is strong, bold, and bitter. And it, though,
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is also used many times for espressos, as well
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as the wonderful instant coffees, which we can
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all purchase. Well finally introduction to coffee
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in America unfortunately For those of you who
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don't like dates there will be a couple of dates
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mentioned in this segment For those of you who
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do like dates, you'll be very happy but Let's
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just start with Coffee being introduced to America
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the first mention of coffee in America. Here
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we go with the date was back in 1607 by good
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old Captain John Smith He was cruising the open
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seas and happened to stop in Turkey and he observed
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coffee being cultivated and he brought it back
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and introduced it to the Jamestown colonists
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who we know didn't have really great luck, but
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at least they had good coffee, I guess, from
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Turkey. However, it wasn't really until, oh,
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like 1670 when Well, Dorothy Jones, she became
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actually the first person in America to receive
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a license to be able to sell coffee in Boston.
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And so Boston, Massachusetts, the colonists were
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the first is where the first written references
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of coffee actually begins in America. Well, early
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Americans were slow to adopt coffee. Their drinking
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habits were more tea, hard cider and ale. Who
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could blame them? Coffee houses began to emerge
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though throughout England, New England in the
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mid 1700s though tea remained the favorite beverage
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until political events shifted cultural preferences.
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The political event was the good old Boston Tea
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Party of 1773. Americans had just about enough
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of their tea and of course a lot of it went into
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the harbor and individual colonists And patriots
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began drinking coffee, which became a huge consumption
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surge. And public coffee houses were created
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in America as taverns and other locations began
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to not only serving liquor, beer, but they also
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began serving coffee. The shift was so significant
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that even prominent figures like George Washington
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became coffee importers. and his wife Martha
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reportedly perfected her own coffee brewing process.
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And things just went on and on from there. By
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the 1800s, 1824, Thomas Jefferson declared coffee
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would become the beverage of the civilized world,
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cementing its place in America. And boy did it
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get cemented. It didn't take all that long before
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there was the birth of the coffee break. tradition.
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Coffee break tradition in America has multiple
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origins. It all points to the early 20th century
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and there was a great boost in worker productivity
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they noticed when they took a break and had a
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little coffee because coffee does have some health
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benefits which in the future we'll get into a
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little bit. And back in 1902, Barcello manufacturing
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in Buffalo, New York. began coffee breaks, believing
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that their employees would be working more productive
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by having a little coffee break. Then in World
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War II, the Weaver, Wigwam Weaver Company, who
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made ties, had hired a bunch of elderly women,
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because it was World War II, and they coined
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the phrase coffee break, because they found the
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women needed a break to perform the duties of
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making men's ties. And so they gave themselves
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a coffee break. And there it was. It was created.
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Well, you know, I had to look that up real quick
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on Google. And sure enough, in Denver, tie maker
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Phil Greenitz lost his best weavers to the armed
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forces during World War Two. He hired elderly
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women for his little 20 looms, lost wigwam weavers.
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They were fine workers, but tired easily. At
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their suggestion, he experimented with 15 -minute
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rest breaks morning and afternoon and provided
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coffee. When Granitz found that workers who took
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the break produced more ties, naturally he made
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it compulsory. But since wages were frozen, he
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couldn't pay his employees for that time. The
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employees didn't care, and production soared.
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How interesting. Well, I can tell you I did have
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a job. I've had 22 jobs all together in my lifetime
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and one of them was in a warehouse type atmosphere
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and I will just never forget 10 o 'clock in the
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morning like clockwork there would be a bang
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bang bang on the Middle door at the back of the
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facility from in the alley the door would fly
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open and we would hear coffee truck The coffee
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truck lady showing up to give us all our Well
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-deserved and needed coffee break which that
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along with everything else made coffee into the
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modern culture that it has emerged into since
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the early 1900s. And this movement, of course,
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emphasizes sustainably locally produced transparent
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sourcing and practices to make coffee into one
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heck of a big industry. And we are definitely
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modern. I'll tell you, especially coffee houses,
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:43.799
say Starbucks. and others now feature expert
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baristas who can discern complex flavor profiles
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and educate customers about bean origins and
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brewing techniques. It's amazing. The culture
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blends mass availability from chains with a thriving
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independent cafe scene where coffee shops serve
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as community hubs and workspaces. They definitely
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do. I mean, especially since COVID arrived. even
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:13.099
with it departing and the world becoming more
00:29:13.099 --> 00:29:15.880
normalized again there's all kinds of different
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changes of course one of them people working
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from home and or working from within coffee houses
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:24.660
they bring their computer they get a table they
00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:27.859
buy a little coffee they buy a little sweet roll
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whatever is offered and they're at work so consumers
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increasingly prioritize the ethical sourcing,
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the innovative brewing methods, which there's
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.259
a whole bunch of brewing methods of course today,
00:29:43.019 --> 00:29:47.180
and the integration of coffee rituals into their
00:29:47.180 --> 00:30:07.490
daily lives and work environments. Well continuing
00:30:07.490 --> 00:30:11.670
with coffee We ended that last little segment
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on American rituals and Wow, if you want to know
00:30:16.049 --> 00:30:18.589
rituals, I think it's only natural that we jumped
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from American right into Jordanian coffee They
00:30:24.009 --> 00:30:26.829
call it Arabic coffee. It's basically traditionally
00:30:26.829 --> 00:30:31.750
brewed coffee of Arabica beans Jordanian coffee
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though is known as Arabic coffee and it's special
00:30:36.309 --> 00:30:42.029
for its unique flavor and it's got insane cultural
00:30:42.029 --> 00:30:45.710
traditions. We'll hit on some of those surrounding
00:30:45.710 --> 00:30:49.849
its preparation and consumption. The distinct
00:30:49.849 --> 00:30:53.049
flavor of Jordanian coffee, well, that comes
00:30:53.049 --> 00:30:56.730
from a little bit of an addition of the cardamom
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spice to the coffee grounds before brewing. Cardamom.
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But it is a spice and it parts a warm slightly
00:31:08.460 --> 00:31:12.500
sweet Aromatic taste that sets it apart from
00:31:12.500 --> 00:31:15.660
regular Turkish coffee interesting and you know
00:31:15.660 --> 00:31:20.079
the cardamom flavor can be Strong for some other
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.640
people may love it. It's kind of like What they
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.099
call that coffee in the south where they had?
00:31:26.980 --> 00:31:31.019
Chikory chikory. Yeah. Yeah, so there there's
00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:34.839
a chain of coffee shops called Blue Bottle And
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they specialize in chicory coffee another another
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site visit we're going to have to do mark that's
00:31:42.380 --> 00:31:44.500
just Who would have ever thought? I mean just
00:31:44.500 --> 00:31:49.380
again. I used to just call it coffee And so yeah,
00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:53.440
the cardamom flavor is very strong to some and
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:57.700
it's yet an integral part of the Jordanian experience
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:01.200
What is really interesting to me when we're doing
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:04.880
this research on the subject, and I really appreciate
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:08.880
the homework you did on this, that the Jordanian
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:12.400
coffee, what really makes it unique is the deep
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:16.359
rooted cultural significance. They have, this
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.180
is part of their life, the rituals associated
00:32:19.180 --> 00:32:21.859
with drinking coffee in Jordan. It's a highly
00:32:21.859 --> 00:32:25.569
social activity. And it's full of meaningful
00:32:25.569 --> 00:32:28.369
gestures and symbolisms. So maybe you tell us
00:32:28.369 --> 00:32:30.170
a little more about that mark. Well, it's very
00:32:30.170 --> 00:32:34.329
interesting for example the way it's Served the
00:32:34.329 --> 00:32:37.789
way you hold the cup. It's accepted and consumed
00:32:37.789 --> 00:32:43.890
It can it can convey respect hospitality even
00:32:43.890 --> 00:32:47.970
communicate intentions between hosts and guests
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If some were to offer you Jordanian coffee like
00:32:52.269 --> 00:32:54.849
you can't turn it down you can't say no sorry
00:32:54.849 --> 00:32:57.329
i don't feel like any coffee right now uh it
00:32:57.329 --> 00:33:02.049
ensures uh quality because the person who produces
00:33:02.049 --> 00:33:05.589
that cup of coffee they get first taste and if
00:33:05.589 --> 00:33:08.309
it isn't quite right they're not even going to
00:33:08.309 --> 00:33:12.250
serve it to their guests and if it's you know
00:33:12.250 --> 00:33:15.970
the eldest in that guest they get it first after
00:33:15.970 --> 00:33:19.690
that i mean it's just it's a ritual so you're
00:33:19.690 --> 00:33:22.309
telling me that when we have our jordanian coffee
00:33:22.490 --> 00:33:23.849
You're going to, I'm going to have to wait for
00:33:23.849 --> 00:33:27.089
you to be served first. Okay. I get it. So Jordanian
00:33:27.089 --> 00:33:30.650
coffee isn't a beverage. It's a means of social
00:33:30.650 --> 00:33:34.410
bonding, expressing their values, their culture,
00:33:34.650 --> 00:33:37.950
maintaining traditions that go all the way back
00:33:37.950 --> 00:33:40.690
to their Bedouin heritage, which is like really
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the coolest story I ever heard about coffee.
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And I've been drinking coffee since I was a kid.
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So ritualists are surrounding it in a unique
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way. Opens up a little picture of Jordan's rich
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culture and their hospitality and their etiquette
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I mean, yeah, there's you know, there's a whole
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:03.160
etiquette that's involved the better winds You
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know, they start with the the bean which has
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been dried in the Sun and they grind it down
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And again, it's a whole formal process The the
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host pours for himself first to ensure the quality
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serves the eldest guest first and then all the
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others, and yes, Mark, you're right, I would,
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that means get the first cup. If I come over
00:34:28.889 --> 00:34:32.449
to your home for a cup of coffee, it facilitates
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social bonding, actually, and it expresses very
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hugely the cultural values in the Jordanian community.
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Well, I'll see you at my house. Get the coffee
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ready. Okay, Mark. Well, now we're into one of
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my favorite parts, I think, about coffee. It's
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the health benefits. We've already talked about
00:35:11.190 --> 00:35:13.929
the beans themselves, the history of coffee,
00:35:14.309 --> 00:35:17.730
the culture of coffee, and, of course, the ever
00:35:17.730 --> 00:35:21.150
-famous coffee break, which you can't take unless
00:35:21.150 --> 00:35:25.809
you have coffee. So, for example, coffee contains
00:35:25.809 --> 00:35:29.530
caffeine, and we all know caffeine is something
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that can enhance our alertness, improve our concentration.
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:36.380
It even boosts our mood. You wake up tired and
00:35:36.380 --> 00:35:38.440
sluggish in the morning and you have yourself
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.440
a cup of coffee and you're ready to go. Improved
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memory is always good with a cup of coffee. Interesting
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.539
enough, having coffee they have found can also
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reduce your risk of type 2 diabetes if you drink
00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:54.960
coffee virtually every day, one cup or more.
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Hey Mark, do you have something interesting to
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tell us about the health benefits of coffee?
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Well mark, I really appreciate you asking me,
00:36:03.750 --> 00:36:06.590
you know with coffee consumption There's a lot
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of things that can be to your benefit. One of
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them is with Alzheimer's they've found that it
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can Perhaps lead to a less of a risk of Alzheimer's
00:36:16.469 --> 00:36:18.949
and interesting to me. That's really important
00:36:18.949 --> 00:36:24.110
having it in my family history then it also has
00:36:24.110 --> 00:36:27.730
been known to reduce the effects of Parkinson's,
00:36:27.730 --> 00:36:29.769
but it's going to be a long time until we really
00:36:29.769 --> 00:36:32.010
find out anything for sure because it takes a
00:36:32.010 --> 00:36:33.610
long time for these studies to actually come
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up with facts. Lots and lots of research. It's
00:36:36.090 --> 00:36:40.230
almost ridiculous. And if Parkinson's disease
00:36:40.230 --> 00:36:42.909
and Alzheimer's wasn't enough, there's a whole
00:36:42.909 --> 00:36:47.769
ton of research about cancers. Wow. Liver, prostate,
00:36:48.170 --> 00:36:52.380
breast, colorectal. I can't even say these cancers.
00:36:52.460 --> 00:36:54.320
That's one of the number one killers right now
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.139
is colorectal cancer. For young people even,
00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.420
people in their 40s, young 40s and drink more
00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:02.960
coffee. I used to always think it was weird to
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.519
get screened but you know since I turned 50 it's
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.619
like every five or ten years. Oh yeah it's an
00:37:08.619 --> 00:37:11.659
automatic. And Mark I think you know a little
00:37:11.659 --> 00:37:15.199
bit of something about coffee. the liver actually
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:18.679
mark I do what I learned was this is pretty crazy
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:22.320
and I'm not recommending for anybody to start
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.519
pounding the beers or taking the shots of whiskey
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:28.760
um but they've actually found I guess coffee
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:34.679
can help reduce liver cancer that's pretty pretty
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:39.639
interesting piece of medical information coffee
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also If we realize it or not, but coffee can
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:47.519
help your physical performance. Actually, if
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you're going to do endurance type activities,
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.699
it might not be a bad idea to have some coffee
00:37:53.699 --> 00:37:56.260
before you perform those endurance activities.
00:37:57.260 --> 00:37:58.500
Well, wait a second. Let me tell you something
00:37:58.500 --> 00:38:01.539
about longevity. You know, there are studies
00:38:01.539 --> 00:38:04.099
about coffee drinkers lowering their risk of
00:38:04.099 --> 00:38:07.059
premature death from all kinds of causes. One
00:38:07.059 --> 00:38:09.340
in near dear to me is heart disease and then
00:38:09.340 --> 00:38:12.690
cancer too. So how is that possible just from
00:38:12.690 --> 00:38:16.429
a regular cup of Joe? It's amazing. you know
00:38:16.429 --> 00:38:19.409
on top of that and everybody nowadays everybody
00:38:19.409 --> 00:38:22.090
talked to they're all about antioxidants you
00:38:22.090 --> 00:38:24.329
know vitamin this vitamin that you know you got
00:38:24.329 --> 00:38:26.210
to eat broccoli you got to eat kale you got to
00:38:26.210 --> 00:38:29.469
eat you know lots of fish and yogurt yogurt yeah
00:38:29.469 --> 00:38:32.349
absolutely all right you know i think peanuts
00:38:32.349 --> 00:38:34.989
and you know popcorn and everything's got antioxidants
00:38:34.989 --> 00:38:37.469
in it yes and there's this crazy thing called
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polyphenols i think i actually said that right
00:38:40.710 --> 00:38:44.730
nice job which actually reduces the damage that
00:38:44.730 --> 00:38:48.030
happens to ourselves and having heart disease.
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I wish I had known this like 50 years ago, but
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I didn't. So here I am. And I think you know
00:38:54.489 --> 00:38:57.030
a little bit more about heart health, don't you?
00:38:57.110 --> 00:38:59.929
Let me tell you, improved heart health. This
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is pretty crazy. Matter at coffee consumption.
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And what they consider moderate is actually three
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to five cups a day. Oh, goody. That's awesome.
00:39:10.690 --> 00:39:12.429
Instead of one cup of coffee in the morning,
00:39:12.610 --> 00:39:14.789
I can have a couple and then have more coffee
00:39:14.789 --> 00:39:18.010
later on. It's actually we don't like to talk
00:39:18.010 --> 00:39:19.989
percentages in that, but they found, I guess,
00:39:20.449 --> 00:39:24.869
a 15 percent reduction in cardiovascular disease
00:39:24.869 --> 00:39:27.829
risk by drinking three to five cups of coffee
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a day. And all together, as we've noted. nine
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:36.619
of these different medical benefits with coffee.
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And the final one, number 10, actually has to
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:44.079
do with consuming coffee and helping your, here's
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:49.000
another big word, microbiome diversity. I know
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:53.920
what that is. If your microbiome diversity is
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:57.699
not right, then your overall health is not right.
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.760
And they have found that coffee can actually
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make your overall health better pretty crazy
00:40:06.059 --> 00:40:07.900
mark i think you have something final to say
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and tell our audience about coffee after all
00:40:11.300 --> 00:40:14.900
that let me wrap it up that all these potential
00:40:14.900 --> 00:40:18.119
benefits are promising and individuals are going
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:22.099
to respond to it in different ways so like we
00:40:22.099 --> 00:40:25.559
always hear everything in our lives moderation
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is key how many times has my pcp told me then
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so We've heard about the studies and three to
00:40:34.389 --> 00:40:36.949
five cups of coffee. That's about what I need
00:40:36.949 --> 00:40:40.070
to get fully caffeinated and I enjoy being fully
00:40:40.070 --> 00:40:43.170
caffeinated. I have my Doppio Campano with one
00:40:43.170 --> 00:40:46.409
raw sugar, please. Additionally, very importantly
00:40:46.409 --> 00:40:48.929
for pregnant women and people with certain health
00:40:48.929 --> 00:40:51.750
conditions, you really have to be sensitive if
00:40:51.750 --> 00:40:55.750
you have a caffeine reaction. So talk to your
00:40:55.750 --> 00:40:59.650
primary care provider about your coffee consumption.
00:41:10.900 --> 00:41:13.300
Well, let me tell you this has been an amazing
00:41:13.300 --> 00:41:17.780
journey the amount of content that I found in
00:41:17.780 --> 00:41:21.199
doing the research for simple thing like coffee
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:25.880
was astounding and Just like when they do TV
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:30.940
shows commercials write a book whatever it is
00:41:30.940 --> 00:41:33.480
some things that end up on the editing floor
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:37.960
and That's actually what happened with trying
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:40.119
to figure out what the heck to talk about when
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.659
it came to coffee. There's just so much information,
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:47.800
so many devices, so many diners in America and
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:50.880
ways of making coffee and it just goes on and
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:56.960
on and on. Coffee, a cup of joe, black gold has
00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:00.500
always been and will forever be so much more
00:42:00.500 --> 00:42:07.460
than just a caffeinated beverage. Coffee's power,
00:42:07.659 --> 00:42:11.380
it's made some people super wealthy. It's made
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others maybe healthier, as we learned, more alert,
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.440
and even fanatical when it comes to coffee. You
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:23.199
don't want to argue with a Starbucker. You cannot
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:28.559
conform them to be a Double Deer or a Speedwayer.
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:33.719
It's not going to happen. This is like war, which
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:37.679
coffee has been fought over, as I say. words
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:43.659
like grande latte espresso Americano Just a few
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of the ways to say coffee it goes on and on and
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on from a simple morning pick -me -up to a nearly
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Unlimited number of varieties flavors uses Go
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to a pod store, and it's like insane all the
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.090
different flavors of coffee Go to a Starbucks
00:43:07.090 --> 00:43:12.730
and it's more than coffee. Coffee is embedded
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by cultures throughout the world. To paraphrase
00:43:20.590 --> 00:43:26.510
Maxwell House, they used to say in their commercials,
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coffee is truly good to the last drop. Mark and
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I really appreciate and thank you for tuning
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in to our podcast Sunset Conversations. Yes,
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Welcome to Sunset Conversations, a BullfrogEntertainment
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Mark Florkowski. On the 15th and 30th of each
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February will be the 28th. Our podcast is a mixed
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bag of our daily life experiences as they relate
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These may include such topics as fruits, coffee,
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goal is to show the audience how ridiculous,
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Each episode will end with a big smile like when
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info at BullfrogEntertainment .com Can you smell
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it? That unmistakable magnificent rich aroma
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of fresh brewed coffee. I don't know about you,
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but I find it problematic in the morning to begin
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my day without a cup of coffee. The history behind
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that cup of coffee is filled with adventure,
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deceit, rituals, wars, and even health benefits.
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Mark and I touch on a small portion of what is
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the story behind coffee. I for one was astonished
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as I began the research. Coffee can be as serious
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as civilizations revolting around it. It can
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also be an avenue to comfort, relaxation, and
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community. Please join us as we take you on a
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brief journey into the world of coffee. In fact,
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why not have a cup? as you listen everybody once
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again thanks for tuning in this is our inaugural
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podcast and mark and i both hope that just like
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a fine bottle of wine or a really good bourbon
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as time goes on we will improve and just get
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better and better. Mark, I'm just thinking that
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we're going to have a podcast about coffee. Maybe
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we should start 10 years ago in a situation that
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really had nothing to do with coffee. 10 years
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ago was probably a perfect time to start. Go
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right ahead. Thank you. So yeah, 10 years ago
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I went to, of all places, England and visited
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some family there in a small town called Ivy
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Bridge. and we went for a wedding and had a big
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tent out in the country. It was very English.
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I wore wellies, as they're called. Wellies? You
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gotta be kidding me. Big high boots. Oh, I love
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the British. They have all these slang terms
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that I gotta pick up on. Go for it. I actually
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learned that wellies are wellingtons. or kind
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of like what we use as like Kleenex, a term,
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just a name of a company that makes boots. There's
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all kinds of boots, but we call them, they call
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them wellies. And it was just awesome. Everything
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was very British or English about the entire
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trip. There was virtually no coffee that I drank
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at all. It was tea, I think even at the wedding,
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it was... Tea and cake if I remember right no
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coffee is a bad thing you know as a matter of
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fact I can't live I'm not fully caffeinated no
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coffee at all so now we jump ahead ten years
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and We go back to England to visit my sister
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-in -law the nephew and his wife now Fay we had
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married ten years previous and I'm sitting there
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and I'm thinking I'm gonna be drinking Nescafe
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Nescafe with the little brown cap on it. And
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how many teaspoons am I going to add? I think
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you should start with tablespoons. Yes, you're
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exactly right. And I love coffee, all kinds of
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coffees, but I can also drink all kinds of coffees.
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And I thought, well, so it's two weeks in Escafe.
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I'll be fine. So there I am with. Ironically,
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Nescafe because that's what my sister -in -law
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has in her cabinet. Did you check the date? I
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did not, but it's one of those things, I don't
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think it can go bad. What is it, honey? That
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can be found thousands of years later. It's one
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of those things you put in the safe room. So,
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you know, it never goes bad. It never goes bad.
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Along with spam. Spam and that. You're set. You
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have a little honey, a little spam, a little
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Nescafe. You're straight. You're ready to go
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for the day. My niece, Lisa, who now is ironically
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already 50 years old. It's hard to believe She
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takes a look and says uncle mark You're not gonna
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be drinking Nescafé the whole two weeks. You're
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here. Are you? Oh goodness An adult entered the
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room. I cannot even believe and I said, well,
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what's my choice and she happened to have Which
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we then visited the coffee house to get more
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some Owens Fresh roasted organic coffee. All
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right now you're talking and yes I used what's
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called the French press. Oh, now you're really
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talking. And so I had to learn the patience of
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the French press, the press of the French press.
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It was absolutely fantastic. And I'm drinking
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great coffee. It was just hard to believe. I
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never imagined. Think that's fantastic, but I'm
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still trying to get my head around French press
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because I think I'm at Planet Fitness It's unbelievable
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that makes a very good cup of coffee very easy
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to use there's no buttons to push You just put
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in the coffee well Stir it up. You know truth
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be known. I do know what that is the French press
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Yeah, but it still makes me think of the gym.
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I had I had no idea really And so from there,
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we decided to take my sister -in -law, it was
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her birthday and that was part of why we were
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going to England. We take her to St. Ives, a
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small town. And Cornwall right on the seaside.
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Oh, you got to tell the story. I remember you've
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told the story before. Yes. A beautiful, beautiful
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town. All your cobblestone streets just narrow
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enough for, you know, one car to get by throngs
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of people walking up and down there. Their summer
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season had just started, which would be in your
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driving. I was not driving things wrong side
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of the street. No, no, I'm not driving. And there
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you have to really watch out for seagulls, which
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they warn you ahead. Uh, because they will steal
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your ice cream, steal your sandwich, steal anything
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that edible that might be in your hands. Gotcha.
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They swoop down and it's in two seconds. It's
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gone and they'll fight you for it. They will
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fight you for it. And so my nieces Lisa's boyfriend,
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Chris says, why don't we go for an English breakfast?
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And so we go to one of the places in town and
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there they have. Couple of eggs over easy, some
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bacon, some sausage or bangers as they call it.
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Bangers. Yes. They're toast. And what makes it
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very British then is they give you a little side
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of baked beans as well. Isn't that something
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else? Very, you know, unusual, but it all works.
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It was a fantastic breakfast. And then he recommends
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the drink of choice at this. Breakfast cafe or
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whatever of all things a chocolate dusted cappuccino
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Very unusual. I thought you know, it'd be some
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kind of special tea or something. But right singlin
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breakfast and The cappuccino was fantastic My
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nephew also once we got back from st. Ives Took
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me to an island the island of burr Which actually?
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Agatha Christie wrote Number of her books on
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that island interesting interesting, but I'm
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still wrapping my head around the Islands name
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burr burr. Yes, and it's a burgh and I had to
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learn to pronounce it properly Silence that G.
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You got to silence that G and as you'll notice
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in our podcast sometimes my Chicago accent and
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that will destroy certain words or get in the
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way. Well, we have competing Chicago accents.
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There's no doubt about it. Yes. So we will work
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accordingly to with that. There was a inn on
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that island called the Pilchard Inn and that
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was built somewhere around 1330, 1343. I love
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that. I just love, you know, you know, we live
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in 100 year old houses. You know, they have 400
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or Yeah, that's really old. I mean, it was just
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very awesome, very old and rich inside. Great
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history that goes along with the place. I believe
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on our web web page, we'll have some information
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on on that location and that. And so we decided
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we would have a couple of Guinness. And I go
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up to the counter and there's one guy working
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and I said, I'll take two Guinness. And he says,
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OK, but you'll have to wait. And I go, OK, fine.
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and he says I have to make a bunch of coffees
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for the people on the other side of the bar and
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I look and they have got probably a three or
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four foot long magnificent coffee producing machine
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and this guy's making cappuccinos espressos lattes
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all kinds of coffee for these folks and it makes
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me think back to the pirate days that jeez if
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I was a pirate coming in here like that would
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really be upsetting that I can't get myself a
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swill of beer or rum. Rum, rum, rum. I had a
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coffee. And yet in reality, pirates ironically
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did steal coffee when it was first found. And
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I'm sure they probably added some rum into it
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also. I should hope so. So that was quite interesting
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that here I am waiting for my cup of coffee.
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And eventually, yes, I did get it. We also we
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think where else did we go while we were there
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that had to do with coffee Oh before we go anywhere
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else When we first arrived prior to us arriving
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at Heathrow Airport My niece Lisa was a little
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concerned on how to pick us up She doesn't really
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pick people up and she thought I might be afraid
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that she wouldn't find us at the airport so she
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sent me a YouTube video and You know everything
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today is Ten years ago YouTube video. I'd love
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to see that video boy would I love to see it
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So yes, this shows you how to pick someone up
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at terminal 3 and 10 year old how to's I Wanted
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to take a guess mark? What does it tell you to
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do after you've done all the figuring out of
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how to get there? You're finally there. You can
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sit down and relax What would you think they
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would tell you to do after that while you wait
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for your? passengers Go go find a banger Yeah
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Of all things that tell you they say have yourself
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a cup of coffee I would not have come that didn't
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hit my mind Again, I was like everything around
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me is coffee. No one knows i'm doing anything
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with coffee and every time I turn It's coffee
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and here I am in england So another surprise
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to me. She did find us. She picked us up We at
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one point then went to a town called Plymouth
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which many of us may know of because I believe
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that's where pilgrims came from, yes. So we go
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to the mall in Plymouth and the first thing I
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see when I walk into the mall is of all things
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a Starbucks. That sounds wonderful when you're
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so far away from home. Am I home? The next thing
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I see is a store that sells sporting apparel
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from only American professional sporting teams.
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America rules the world. I thought it was at
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Woodfield Mall. I could understand that. Right
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in the heart of the British world. And I'm looking
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at cappuccinos from Starbucks and American clothing.
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Capitalism knows no limits. Quite, quite unusual.
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After leaving there, my nephew decided that for
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his mom and for myself and my wife, he would
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have us go to a British high tea, and that was
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in Borington Hall, which again has a crazy long
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history. Queen Elizabeth I had been there. Sir
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Walter Raleigh, I think it was. This is getting
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very interesting. High tea. High tea. And, you
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know, old traditions. I would be a little nervous
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attending my first high tea. I mean, I thought
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I had to dress differently and all of that, which
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I didn't do, but I imagined I'd be out of place,
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possibly. No, it's become very modernized. You
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could probably go in there with flip -flops on
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and they literally wouldn't care. All right,
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I feel better now. What would you imagine, again,
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if you're going to high tea and your server comes
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and he asks you, what would you like to drink?
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Would you think it would be? Well, you're teeing
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me up with a question and I know that we've got
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the situation here and obviously it must have
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shocked you. Would you like coffee or tea? Yes.
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With coffee being the first preference to all
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of us, myself, my wife and my sister -in -law.
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Times have changed. And I looked and said, well,
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this is high tea. You have no choice but to defer
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to the tea. And so I did. Drink a tea which was
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very good, but we asked you want coffee at high
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tea Interesting was quite interesting Near the
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end of our trip. We decided to have a birthday
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party for my sister -in -law and we go to my
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nephew's house their daughter I don't know what
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she is a second second niece third niece at that
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point, but she's nine years old She has a history
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already of making a phenomenal cup of coffee.
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I don't know that she made that particular pot
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I don't think she did but she's got all the directions
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to do so and they her mom Mentioned that to us
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turns out that that coffee that she made Haramiya
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coffee Which we're drinking actually as we're
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yeah it's like awesome you know i'm a definite
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coffee caffeination hound and this stuff is good
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it's really good it was probably one of the best
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cups i've ever had it's produced by a five generation
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family fifth generation family fellow of the
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family lives in london my niece lisa knows him
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and purchases his coffee in fact she sent one
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with a another sister -in -law that Just came
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back recently. That's why we're drinking it because
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if you go to their website, I am I understand
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it's tough with a Chicago accent on our website
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again We'll have the name and spellings and all
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that they only deliver the coffee to England
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and Poland. Oh I'm in but it's a fantastic cup
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of coffee. And so What else what else do we got
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about England? I would say that the next time
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if any of you were to go to England rather than
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their famous 3 p .m. tea that they have you might
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want to just have a delicious fresh -roasted
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cappuccino latte or just a good old black cup
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of coffee well you know you can always count
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me in when you're offering black coffee hey doing
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a podcast about coffee can be a lot of fun Sunset
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Conversations will always be fun. All about sharing
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our adventures, experiences, and travels with
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you. To make it really interesting, we will get
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into doing a lot of research. And that research
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means details. We're going to share those details
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with you and let you know some of them can be
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very interesting and at times odd and curious.
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Sometimes just plain unbelievable. So sit back,
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relax, and enjoy today's episode. Okay, well,
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I guess before we get into other features and
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characteristics and everything else with coffee,
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let's touch a little bit on the origin and cultivation.
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And for those of you who don't know, there's
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basically two types of coffee, Arabica and Robusta.
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Arabica is originally grown in Ethiopia. It likes
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very high elevations, 600 to 2000 meters. You
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can convert that into feet if you so wish. It
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requires cooler climates with abundant moisture
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and nutrient -rich soil. Arabica plants are a
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bit more susceptible to pests and diseases, which
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makes them more challenging. and of course more
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costly to cultivate and therefore arepica coffees
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are a bit more expensive for us as opposed to
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robusta and now it's my turn to represent robusta
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it originates from central and west africa and
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it's now primarily grown in the lowland areas
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of vietnam brazil and indonesia It likes the
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lower altitudes of 0 to 700 meters and can withstand
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hotter and more humid climates. Robusta plants
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are hardier, more resistant to pests and diseases,
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and easier to grow, which makes them more cost
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-effective. Very interesting. Now, aravica, on
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the other hand, is known for its smooth, sweet
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taste with notes of fruit berries and a pleasant
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acidity. It's often... complex flavor profile
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with hints of chocolate, sugar, making it a highly
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favored coffee by coffee enthusiasts. Well, I'm
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an enthusiast, but I still have to represent
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our friend Robusta, which is characterized by
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a stronger, more bitter taste with earthy, woody,
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and sometimes nutty or chocolatey undertones.
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There's a higher caffeine content, which contributes
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to that bold and robust flavor. often described
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as harsh or grainy. Very interesting. Now for
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those of you who might be interested and live
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in an area like where we do, there's a grocer
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called Fresh Market, and there they happen to
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have open barrels of Arabica coffee, and they
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probably have some Robusta there too, I would
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imagine. I didn't look that close when I was
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once there, but you can actually see the beans,
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feel the beans, taste the beans if you want to
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pull one out of the barrel. a little interesting
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to see such a thing. And basically, arabica beans
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are generally larger, oval -shaped, and they
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have curved crease, which I have noticed before
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I grind them up to make a cup of coffee. They're
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also oilier, which contributes to their smoother
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taste. Well, okay for the smoother taste, but
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those robusta beans are smaller, rounder, and
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have a straight crease. For those of you who
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don't like cricket creases. They contain fewer
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oils which results in that more bitter taste.
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Interesting. Well, I do have to say though, Arabica
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accounts for about 70 % of the global coffee
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throughout the markets and it's often considered
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the superior in taste. And, as I have said, a
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bit more expensive for its complex flavor profile
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and higher cultivation costs. Aha, so that makes
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Robusta the underdog because it only makes up
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30 % of global coffee and is commonly used in
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the espresso blinds for its ability to produce
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a thick crema in an instant coffee Due to its
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flavor and lower cost. I must say that I really
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do love a thick crema on top of my coffee now
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that I've Found that that is such a thing and
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hey, I've advanced I used to call it foam No
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longer. Now I do call it crema. Yeah, you got
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to call it crema. I guess in conclusion, and
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what our real goal is for all of this is, of
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course, to teach us and you a little something
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about coffee. But personal preference is what
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this all basically falls under and robusto and
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arabica, although they have unique characteristic.
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It's basically personal preference. Once again.
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Arabica is smooth, sweet, and complex, and Robusta
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is strong, bold, and bitter. And it, though,
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is also used many times for espressos, as well
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as the wonderful instant coffees, which we can
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all purchase. Well finally introduction to coffee
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in America unfortunately For those of you who
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don't like dates there will be a couple of dates
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mentioned in this segment For those of you who
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do like dates, you'll be very happy but Let's
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just start with Coffee being introduced to America
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the first mention of coffee in America. Here
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we go with the date was back in 1607 by good
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old Captain John Smith He was cruising the open
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seas and happened to stop in Turkey and he observed
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coffee being cultivated and he brought it back
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and introduced it to the Jamestown colonists
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who we know didn't have really great luck, but
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at least they had good coffee, I guess, from
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Turkey. However, it wasn't really until, oh,
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like 1670 when Well, Dorothy Jones, she became
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actually the first person in America to receive
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a license to be able to sell coffee in Boston.
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And so Boston, Massachusetts, the colonists were
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the first is where the first written references
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of coffee actually begins in America. Well, early
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Americans were slow to adopt coffee. Their drinking
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habits were more tea, hard cider and ale. Who
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could blame them? Coffee houses began to emerge
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though throughout England, New England in the
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mid 1700s though tea remained the favorite beverage
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until political events shifted cultural preferences.
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The political event was the good old Boston Tea
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Party of 1773. Americans had just about enough
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of their tea and of course a lot of it went into
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the harbor and individual colonists And patriots
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began drinking coffee, which became a huge consumption
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surge. And public coffee houses were created
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in America as taverns and other locations began
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to not only serving liquor, beer, but they also
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began serving coffee. The shift was so significant
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that even prominent figures like George Washington
00:25:08.059 --> 00:25:12.750
became coffee importers. and his wife Martha
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reportedly perfected her own coffee brewing process.
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And things just went on and on from there. By
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the 1800s, 1824, Thomas Jefferson declared coffee
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would become the beverage of the civilized world,
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cementing its place in America. And boy did it
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get cemented. It didn't take all that long before
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there was the birth of the coffee break. tradition.
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Coffee break tradition in America has multiple
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origins. It all points to the early 20th century
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and there was a great boost in worker productivity
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they noticed when they took a break and had a
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little coffee because coffee does have some health
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benefits which in the future we'll get into a
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little bit. And back in 1902, Barcello manufacturing
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:10.950
in Buffalo, New York. began coffee breaks, believing
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that their employees would be working more productive
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by having a little coffee break. Then in World
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War II, the Weaver, Wigwam Weaver Company, who
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made ties, had hired a bunch of elderly women,
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because it was World War II, and they coined
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the phrase coffee break, because they found the
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women needed a break to perform the duties of
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making men's ties. And so they gave themselves
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a coffee break. And there it was. It was created.
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Well, you know, I had to look that up real quick
00:26:45.809 --> 00:26:50.750
on Google. And sure enough, in Denver, tie maker
00:26:50.750 --> 00:26:54.150
Phil Greenitz lost his best weavers to the armed
00:26:54.150 --> 00:26:57.369
forces during World War Two. He hired elderly
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women for his little 20 looms, lost wigwam weavers.
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They were fine workers, but tired easily. At
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their suggestion, he experimented with 15 -minute
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rest breaks morning and afternoon and provided
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coffee. When Granitz found that workers who took
00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:19.240
the break produced more ties, naturally he made
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:24.799
it compulsory. But since wages were frozen, he
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couldn't pay his employees for that time. The
00:27:27.819 --> 00:27:30.839
employees didn't care, and production soared.
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How interesting. Well, I can tell you I did have
00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:37.779
a job. I've had 22 jobs all together in my lifetime
00:27:37.779 --> 00:27:41.700
and one of them was in a warehouse type atmosphere
00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:45.240
and I will just never forget 10 o 'clock in the
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:48.500
morning like clockwork there would be a bang
00:27:48.500 --> 00:27:52.680
bang bang on the Middle door at the back of the
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.880
facility from in the alley the door would fly
00:27:55.880 --> 00:28:02.119
open and we would hear coffee truck The coffee
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:06.059
truck lady showing up to give us all our Well
00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:10.259
-deserved and needed coffee break which that
00:28:10.259 --> 00:28:15.619
along with everything else made coffee into the
00:28:15.619 --> 00:28:19.880
modern culture that it has emerged into since
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:23.359
the early 1900s. And this movement, of course,
00:28:23.539 --> 00:28:28.880
emphasizes sustainably locally produced transparent
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:32.900
sourcing and practices to make coffee into one
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heck of a big industry. And we are definitely
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.079
modern. I'll tell you, especially coffee houses,
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:43.799
say Starbucks. and others now feature expert
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:47.119
baristas who can discern complex flavor profiles
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:49.960
and educate customers about bean origins and
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.539
brewing techniques. It's amazing. The culture
00:28:53.539 --> 00:28:56.619
blends mass availability from chains with a thriving
00:28:56.619 --> 00:29:00.859
independent cafe scene where coffee shops serve
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as community hubs and workspaces. They definitely
00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:09.319
do. I mean, especially since COVID arrived. even
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:13.099
with it departing and the world becoming more
00:29:13.099 --> 00:29:15.880
normalized again there's all kinds of different
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.619
changes of course one of them people working
00:29:18.619 --> 00:29:22.200
from home and or working from within coffee houses
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:24.660
they bring their computer they get a table they
00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:27.859
buy a little coffee they buy a little sweet roll
00:29:27.859 --> 00:29:31.920
whatever is offered and they're at work so consumers
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:36.799
increasingly prioritize the ethical sourcing,
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.319
the innovative brewing methods, which there's
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.259
a whole bunch of brewing methods of course today,
00:29:43.019 --> 00:29:47.180
and the integration of coffee rituals into their
00:29:47.180 --> 00:30:07.490
daily lives and work environments. Well continuing
00:30:07.490 --> 00:30:11.670
with coffee We ended that last little segment
00:30:11.670 --> 00:30:16.049
on American rituals and Wow, if you want to know
00:30:16.049 --> 00:30:18.589
rituals, I think it's only natural that we jumped
00:30:18.589 --> 00:30:24.009
from American right into Jordanian coffee They
00:30:24.009 --> 00:30:26.829
call it Arabic coffee. It's basically traditionally
00:30:26.829 --> 00:30:31.750
brewed coffee of Arabica beans Jordanian coffee
00:30:31.750 --> 00:30:36.309
though is known as Arabic coffee and it's special
00:30:36.309 --> 00:30:42.029
for its unique flavor and it's got insane cultural
00:30:42.029 --> 00:30:45.710
traditions. We'll hit on some of those surrounding
00:30:45.710 --> 00:30:49.849
its preparation and consumption. The distinct
00:30:49.849 --> 00:30:53.049
flavor of Jordanian coffee, well, that comes
00:30:53.049 --> 00:30:56.730
from a little bit of an addition of the cardamom
00:30:56.730 --> 00:31:03.890
spice to the coffee grounds before brewing. Cardamom.
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:08.460
But it is a spice and it parts a warm slightly
00:31:08.460 --> 00:31:12.500
sweet Aromatic taste that sets it apart from
00:31:12.500 --> 00:31:15.660
regular Turkish coffee interesting and you know
00:31:15.660 --> 00:31:20.079
the cardamom flavor can be Strong for some other
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.640
people may love it. It's kind of like What they
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.099
call that coffee in the south where they had?
00:31:26.980 --> 00:31:31.019
Chikory chikory. Yeah. Yeah, so there there's
00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:34.839
a chain of coffee shops called Blue Bottle And
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:39.599
they specialize in chicory coffee another another
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:42.380
site visit we're going to have to do mark that's
00:31:42.380 --> 00:31:44.500
just Who would have ever thought? I mean just
00:31:44.500 --> 00:31:49.380
again. I used to just call it coffee And so yeah,
00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:53.440
the cardamom flavor is very strong to some and
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:57.700
it's yet an integral part of the Jordanian experience
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:01.200
What is really interesting to me when we're doing
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:04.880
this research on the subject, and I really appreciate
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:08.880
the homework you did on this, that the Jordanian
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:12.400
coffee, what really makes it unique is the deep
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:16.359
rooted cultural significance. They have, this
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.180
is part of their life, the rituals associated
00:32:19.180 --> 00:32:21.859
with drinking coffee in Jordan. It's a highly
00:32:21.859 --> 00:32:25.569
social activity. And it's full of meaningful
00:32:25.569 --> 00:32:28.369
gestures and symbolisms. So maybe you tell us
00:32:28.369 --> 00:32:30.170
a little more about that mark. Well, it's very
00:32:30.170 --> 00:32:34.329
interesting for example the way it's Served the
00:32:34.329 --> 00:32:37.789
way you hold the cup. It's accepted and consumed
00:32:37.789 --> 00:32:43.890
It can it can convey respect hospitality even
00:32:43.890 --> 00:32:47.970
communicate intentions between hosts and guests
00:32:47.970 --> 00:32:52.269
If some were to offer you Jordanian coffee like
00:32:52.269 --> 00:32:54.849
you can't turn it down you can't say no sorry
00:32:54.849 --> 00:32:57.329
i don't feel like any coffee right now uh it
00:32:57.329 --> 00:33:02.049
ensures uh quality because the person who produces
00:33:02.049 --> 00:33:05.589
that cup of coffee they get first taste and if
00:33:05.589 --> 00:33:08.309
it isn't quite right they're not even going to
00:33:08.309 --> 00:33:12.250
serve it to their guests and if it's you know
00:33:12.250 --> 00:33:15.970
the eldest in that guest they get it first after
00:33:15.970 --> 00:33:19.690
that i mean it's just it's a ritual so you're
00:33:19.690 --> 00:33:22.309
telling me that when we have our jordanian coffee
00:33:22.490 --> 00:33:23.849
You're going to, I'm going to have to wait for
00:33:23.849 --> 00:33:27.089
you to be served first. Okay. I get it. So Jordanian
00:33:27.089 --> 00:33:30.650
coffee isn't a beverage. It's a means of social
00:33:30.650 --> 00:33:34.410
bonding, expressing their values, their culture,
00:33:34.650 --> 00:33:37.950
maintaining traditions that go all the way back
00:33:37.950 --> 00:33:40.690
to their Bedouin heritage, which is like really
00:33:40.690 --> 00:33:43.450
the coolest story I ever heard about coffee.
00:33:43.869 --> 00:33:46.509
And I've been drinking coffee since I was a kid.
00:33:47.210 --> 00:33:50.029
So ritualists are surrounding it in a unique
00:33:50.029 --> 00:33:55.140
way. Opens up a little picture of Jordan's rich
00:33:55.140 --> 00:33:58.619
culture and their hospitality and their etiquette
00:33:58.619 --> 00:34:00.519
I mean, yeah, there's you know, there's a whole
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:03.160
etiquette that's involved the better winds You
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:05.259
know, they start with the the bean which has
00:34:05.259 --> 00:34:08.719
been dried in the Sun and they grind it down
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:13.719
And again, it's a whole formal process The the
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:18.440
host pours for himself first to ensure the quality
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:22.989
serves the eldest guest first and then all the
00:34:22.989 --> 00:34:25.690
others, and yes, Mark, you're right, I would,
00:34:25.789 --> 00:34:28.889
that means get the first cup. If I come over
00:34:28.889 --> 00:34:32.449
to your home for a cup of coffee, it facilitates
00:34:32.449 --> 00:34:38.690
social bonding, actually, and it expresses very
00:34:38.690 --> 00:34:43.429
hugely the cultural values in the Jordanian community.
00:34:44.110 --> 00:34:47.130
Well, I'll see you at my house. Get the coffee
00:34:47.130 --> 00:35:06.730
ready. Okay, Mark. Well, now we're into one of
00:35:06.730 --> 00:35:08.989
my favorite parts, I think, about coffee. It's
00:35:08.989 --> 00:35:11.190
the health benefits. We've already talked about
00:35:11.190 --> 00:35:13.929
the beans themselves, the history of coffee,
00:35:14.309 --> 00:35:17.730
the culture of coffee, and, of course, the ever
00:35:17.730 --> 00:35:21.150
-famous coffee break, which you can't take unless
00:35:21.150 --> 00:35:25.809
you have coffee. So, for example, coffee contains
00:35:25.809 --> 00:35:29.530
caffeine, and we all know caffeine is something
00:35:29.530 --> 00:35:33.369
that can enhance our alertness, improve our concentration.
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:36.380
It even boosts our mood. You wake up tired and
00:35:36.380 --> 00:35:38.440
sluggish in the morning and you have yourself
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.440
a cup of coffee and you're ready to go. Improved
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:45.079
memory is always good with a cup of coffee. Interesting
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.539
enough, having coffee they have found can also
00:35:48.539 --> 00:35:52.500
reduce your risk of type 2 diabetes if you drink
00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:54.960
coffee virtually every day, one cup or more.
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:58.079
Hey Mark, do you have something interesting to
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.119
tell us about the health benefits of coffee?
00:36:00.710 --> 00:36:03.730
Well mark, I really appreciate you asking me,
00:36:03.750 --> 00:36:06.590
you know with coffee consumption There's a lot
00:36:06.590 --> 00:36:09.190
of things that can be to your benefit. One of
00:36:09.190 --> 00:36:12.630
them is with Alzheimer's they've found that it
00:36:12.630 --> 00:36:16.469
can Perhaps lead to a less of a risk of Alzheimer's
00:36:16.469 --> 00:36:18.949
and interesting to me. That's really important
00:36:18.949 --> 00:36:24.110
having it in my family history then it also has
00:36:24.110 --> 00:36:27.730
been known to reduce the effects of Parkinson's,
00:36:27.730 --> 00:36:29.769
but it's going to be a long time until we really
00:36:29.769 --> 00:36:32.010
find out anything for sure because it takes a
00:36:32.010 --> 00:36:33.610
long time for these studies to actually come
00:36:33.610 --> 00:36:36.090
up with facts. Lots and lots of research. It's
00:36:36.090 --> 00:36:40.230
almost ridiculous. And if Parkinson's disease
00:36:40.230 --> 00:36:42.909
and Alzheimer's wasn't enough, there's a whole
00:36:42.909 --> 00:36:47.769
ton of research about cancers. Wow. Liver, prostate,
00:36:48.170 --> 00:36:52.380
breast, colorectal. I can't even say these cancers.
00:36:52.460 --> 00:36:54.320
That's one of the number one killers right now
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.139
is colorectal cancer. For young people even,
00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.420
people in their 40s, young 40s and drink more
00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:02.960
coffee. I used to always think it was weird to
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.519
get screened but you know since I turned 50 it's
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.619
like every five or ten years. Oh yeah it's an
00:37:08.619 --> 00:37:11.659
automatic. And Mark I think you know a little
00:37:11.659 --> 00:37:15.199
bit of something about coffee. the liver actually
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:18.679
mark I do what I learned was this is pretty crazy
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:22.320
and I'm not recommending for anybody to start
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.519
pounding the beers or taking the shots of whiskey
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:28.760
um but they've actually found I guess coffee
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:34.679
can help reduce liver cancer that's pretty pretty
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:39.639
interesting piece of medical information coffee
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:44.119
also If we realize it or not, but coffee can
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:47.519
help your physical performance. Actually, if
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.460
you're going to do endurance type activities,
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.699
it might not be a bad idea to have some coffee
00:37:53.699 --> 00:37:56.260
before you perform those endurance activities.
00:37:57.260 --> 00:37:58.500
Well, wait a second. Let me tell you something
00:37:58.500 --> 00:38:01.539
about longevity. You know, there are studies
00:38:01.539 --> 00:38:04.099
about coffee drinkers lowering their risk of
00:38:04.099 --> 00:38:07.059
premature death from all kinds of causes. One
00:38:07.059 --> 00:38:09.340
in near dear to me is heart disease and then
00:38:09.340 --> 00:38:12.690
cancer too. So how is that possible just from
00:38:12.690 --> 00:38:16.429
a regular cup of Joe? It's amazing. you know
00:38:16.429 --> 00:38:19.409
on top of that and everybody nowadays everybody
00:38:19.409 --> 00:38:22.090
talked to they're all about antioxidants you
00:38:22.090 --> 00:38:24.329
know vitamin this vitamin that you know you got
00:38:24.329 --> 00:38:26.210
to eat broccoli you got to eat kale you got to
00:38:26.210 --> 00:38:29.469
eat you know lots of fish and yogurt yogurt yeah
00:38:29.469 --> 00:38:32.349
absolutely all right you know i think peanuts
00:38:32.349 --> 00:38:34.989
and you know popcorn and everything's got antioxidants
00:38:34.989 --> 00:38:37.469
in it yes and there's this crazy thing called
00:38:37.469 --> 00:38:40.710
polyphenols i think i actually said that right
00:38:40.710 --> 00:38:44.730
nice job which actually reduces the damage that
00:38:44.730 --> 00:38:48.030
happens to ourselves and having heart disease.
00:38:48.530 --> 00:38:50.909
I wish I had known this like 50 years ago, but
00:38:50.909 --> 00:38:54.489
I didn't. So here I am. And I think you know
00:38:54.489 --> 00:38:57.030
a little bit more about heart health, don't you?
00:38:57.110 --> 00:38:59.929
Let me tell you, improved heart health. This
00:38:59.929 --> 00:39:02.949
is pretty crazy. Matter at coffee consumption.
00:39:03.449 --> 00:39:06.150
And what they consider moderate is actually three
00:39:06.150 --> 00:39:10.590
to five cups a day. Oh, goody. That's awesome.
00:39:10.690 --> 00:39:12.429
Instead of one cup of coffee in the morning,
00:39:12.610 --> 00:39:14.789
I can have a couple and then have more coffee
00:39:14.789 --> 00:39:18.010
later on. It's actually we don't like to talk
00:39:18.010 --> 00:39:19.989
percentages in that, but they found, I guess,
00:39:20.449 --> 00:39:24.869
a 15 percent reduction in cardiovascular disease
00:39:24.869 --> 00:39:27.829
risk by drinking three to five cups of coffee
00:39:27.829 --> 00:39:32.559
a day. And all together, as we've noted. nine
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:36.619
of these different medical benefits with coffee.
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And the final one, number 10, actually has to
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do with consuming coffee and helping your, here's
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another big word, microbiome diversity. I know
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what that is. If your microbiome diversity is
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not right, then your overall health is not right.
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And they have found that coffee can actually
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make your overall health better pretty crazy
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mark i think you have something final to say
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and tell our audience about coffee after all
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that let me wrap it up that all these potential
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benefits are promising and individuals are going
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to respond to it in different ways so like we
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always hear everything in our lives moderation
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is key how many times has my pcp told me then
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so We've heard about the studies and three to
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five cups of coffee. That's about what I need
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to get fully caffeinated and I enjoy being fully
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caffeinated. I have my Doppio Campano with one
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raw sugar, please. Additionally, very importantly
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for pregnant women and people with certain health
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conditions, you really have to be sensitive if
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you have a caffeine reaction. So talk to your
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primary care provider about your coffee consumption.
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Well, let me tell you this has been an amazing
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journey the amount of content that I found in
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doing the research for simple thing like coffee
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was astounding and Just like when they do TV
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:30.940
shows commercials write a book whatever it is
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some things that end up on the editing floor
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and That's actually what happened with trying
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to figure out what the heck to talk about when
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it came to coffee. There's just so much information,
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so many devices, so many diners in America and
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ways of making coffee and it just goes on and
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on and on. Coffee, a cup of joe, black gold has
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always been and will forever be so much more
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than just a caffeinated beverage. Coffee's power,
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it's made some people super wealthy. It's made
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others maybe healthier, as we learned, more alert,
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and even fanatical when it comes to coffee. You
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don't want to argue with a Starbucker. You cannot
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conform them to be a Double Deer or a Speedwayer.
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It's not going to happen. This is like war, which
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coffee has been fought over, as I say. words
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like grande latte espresso Americano Just a few
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of the ways to say coffee it goes on and on and
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on from a simple morning pick -me -up to a nearly
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Unlimited number of varieties flavors uses Go
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to a pod store, and it's like insane all the
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different flavors of coffee Go to a Starbucks
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and it's more than coffee. Coffee is embedded
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by cultures throughout the world. To paraphrase
00:43:20.590 --> 00:43:26.510
Maxwell House, they used to say in their commercials,
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coffee is truly good to the last drop. Mark and
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I really appreciate and thank you for tuning
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