Split Your Head - Season 4 - Ep. 61 - Interview with Carrsan T. Morrissey (Bleeders)

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Hello, and welcome to Split your Head. I'm your host, Bob,
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and today's special guest is filmmaker Carson T. Morrissey. Carson
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recently popped on my radar when I heard her spouting
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pure fire on Patresia Dhalia Thompson's extreme horror podcast, The Horror,
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The Horror. Sure enough. I checked out her films and
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they are just as electrifying, provocative, and unique as I
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had hoped. With her most recent shorts Leaders and of
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the Flesh. They encompass a reverence for traditional horror tropes
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while splashing acid and neon all over your expectations, leaving
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such an immaculate impression on me, I just had to
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have her on to pick that radioactive brain of hers. Carson,
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thank you so much for coming on. How are you doing.
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I am very very good. Thank you for having me. Yeah, yeah,
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it's great to finally chat. Yeah. As I was saying
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in the intro, like hearing you on Patrizia's podcast, I
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was just like, oh my god, the things you were saying.
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I can't even plenty things specifically, but like you had
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such a political fervor, I shall say, you know, and
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then seeing your seeing your films and just how stylish
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and electrifying. I mean, I keep using the same words,
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but yeah, it just really like, this is exactly the
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type of stuff I want to feature on the show,
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you know, so Bleeders. Yeah, that was a screener that
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you sent me, is it just like playing festivals right now?
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Or yeah?
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So Bleeders is about to have its festival debut actually
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on July twelfth, Sakkelly Festival of Film here in Burlington
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and in Iowa and Burlington, Okay, and Snake Alley is
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it's my favorite film festival. This will be my fifth
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year actually going to that one, so I'm really excited.
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That's where it's going to kind of debut.
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And then it's submitted to like fifteen more things that
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we'll find out about between you know, like now and
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like next February. So okay, Yeah, that's that's the vibe
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when you submit to film festivals.
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You just gotta wait. Sure, Yeah, I think it's into
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even one or two of those. I'll be thrilled, So
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we'll see.
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But yeah, and then the other big news with that
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is that in November we're actually going out to California
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to the Baroque Film Fest, which is hosted by my
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good friend Sam Hell And so yeah, we're gonna play
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at Baroque, which is a really cool, like explicitly extreme horror.
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Fest, which is my jam. So it's going to be
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a blast.
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Yeah, And first time we're ever going out to La
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So that'll be cool.
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Sweet, that's awesome. So my geography of the States is bad.
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But Iowa is like the Midwest.
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Yeah, Iowa's Midwest. We are just below Minnesota and above Missouri.
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We're like you know the guy in the chef's hat
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in the middle of the US.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's US.
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Right, like upper mid Yeah. But yeah, Iowa is central.
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We have a lot of corn, we have a lot
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of farmland. But then also like more people and like
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towns and cities than you'd expect. It's a weird place
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and part of the reason I love Iowa actually is
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kind of it's like weird vast liminality of like you
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can be driving through miles and miles of cornfields and.
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Then just all of a sudden you're in like a city,
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like or oh cool, cool. I guess I guess some people.
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From actual cities would hear me say city and be like,
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all right, but like you know what I.
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Mean, like a populated area. Yeah, I like I grew
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up in Ontario, Like I'm in Toronto right now, and uh,
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I mean Toronto is is like a very vast, like
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downtown y kind of city. But where I grew up
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outside of Toronto was a little bit like that where
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you get to like these kind of big towns and
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then you go through like fields and fields and and
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you know, nature and everything, so I can kind of
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see where you're where you're coming from, you know. And
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it's interesting that you you jumped on that, like how
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you love Iowa, because that was something that really stood
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out to me as like how much you mentioned Iowa,
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Like it's you know, I don't want to dox you,
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but it's in your email chess and stuff.
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So I mean I literally, like I call myself the Quill.
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Somebody else called me the Queen.
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Of Iowa Horror, and then I immediately was like saying
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that all the time. So now it's my.
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Bio on Instagram, Like, yeah, I like, you know, I
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like talking about Iowa. It's it's where, It's where I
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was made, you know, it's it's it informs everything that
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I make. I mean, even if I make something somewhere else,
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I'm still an Iowan filmmaker.
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So yeah, well I noticed this with like the core Worm,
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which isn't short that you shared with me. I don't
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know if that's like publicly available. Yes, of the ones
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I shared is the only one that's publicly available current.
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Oh okay, cool, which is going to change soon.
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I'm just like like one of those punk bands where
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you have to like actually hunt them down and see
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them live and then like ask and they'll like give
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you a CD or a tape sure hard to find,
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which is like that completally just my own fault with
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like hating technology. Yeah, but like anybody that's like, hey,
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can I see your films, I'm like, yeah, here's seven links,
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but I haven't put any of them like online yet, really, right,
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so I need to do that.
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But it did seem like you had like a big
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party that you were essentially like turning into a short film,
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and it kind of gave me this impression that you
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have a like a really thriving scene in Iowa. Is
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that correct?
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So funny enough, Conqueror Worm is the only thing I've
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ever made that wasn't made in Iowa. Conqueror We actually
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actually did shoot that in Brooklyn.
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Oh crazy.
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I have I have some very good friends who live
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out in New York, so I do go out there
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as often as I can, And we shot that in Brooklyn,
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and we did indeed throw a big party and just
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like invite a bunch of people and tell them what
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the film was going to be, and then like we
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all partied for.
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Like two hours. Oh and then just like started shooting.
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Oh okay.
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So the only the only funny thing with that one,
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which you, as a person who watches a lot of movies,
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might have noticed, but a lot of people don't, which
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is also fun We did shoot everything with the two
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performers with Luxury and Emery separately from the actual party stuff.
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So all the reactions and everything with all the people
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and everything with the worm itself was shot on its
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own day. Everything with all the people was shot on
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a separate day. Oh okay, they were never actually in
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the same space.
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Oh I mean you you like you? Yeah, I think
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you like you? Tricked it really well. I didn't even
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pick up on on that even happening. Was there a
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reason why you had to film it like that? Yeah?
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Well, first of all, thank you. We It was mostly
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just like, you know, we had all these people there.
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You know, people were actually it was a party, so
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people were actually like drunk.
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Like everyone hate.
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Everyone knew we were making a movie, so it wasn't
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like crazy like it was just much easier because like
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the performance aspect was you know, very specific. We wanted
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really certain things to happen. Also, we just wanted it
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to be quiet so you could hear luxury over you know,
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not actually having to yellow our.
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A group of people. Yeah, and the other thing was
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the worm.
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Costume itself was like this you know, gauze and makeup
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and like finger contraption that LENEA Sumner, who's amazing made
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and like we didn't want to have to worry about
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finagling that whole costume through like a crow people. So yeah,
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it was just it was just easier because you know
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it it took like the same amount of time to
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fill the whole people as it did to film. Just
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the performance part actually might take it a little longer,
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so it's just better to do.
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It that way. Yeah. It's interesting though, because like I
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to me, that actually speaks to like a higher level
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of consideration, you know, instead of just like let's have
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everyone together in the same room and hopefully the best
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like you were like, no, no, no, we're going to have
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better audo audio quality doing that. Yeah, you know.
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Well, and to be honest, so we looked at a
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couple of locations before because we ended up just shooting
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that in my friend's apartment that we just made into
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a night club, but we really wait the party seat,
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the full party or the two main careacter. It was
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filmed in the same room, but we we originally were
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thinking of filming it at this club called Purgatory in Brooklyn,
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and it just didn't work out over timing wise. But
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if we'd been able to film in an actual like
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giant club, we were just going to do everything all
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at once because we would have had a lot more space.
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To play with.
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But the way that room was laid out, I mean
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that stage was basically just like on top, like like
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it would have been like as close to I am
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as my computer now is how close the performers would.
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Have been to the row. Okay, it just would have
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been a nightmare.
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So like it would have been fun to be able
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to shoot everything all at once to get some like
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real genuine interactions between like luxury and the people and
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the crowd, but it just didn't quite happen that way.
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Yeah, you are.
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Right, just for audio and everything, it just made more
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sense to do it separately, so right.
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Right, So the cockreer worm is a well known Poe story.
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Is that right? It's a red Grell and Poe. Yeah,
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it's my favorite. Actually, I have it out on my
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on my arm as a tattoo.
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Oh that's sick.
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Much of madness and more of sin and then like
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the s turns into the worm and yeah.
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Right, well that's something that I mean, this sounds maybe
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kind of reductive to put it like this, but I
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find a lot of your work does combine almost like
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these like folk whore sort of elements with something that
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does feel like very like futuristic and punk, and like,
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I don't know if I would say your work is
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like cyberpunk, but you definitely veer towards sort of like
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elements of that, you know, especially with like the electronic
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score and like the sort of like urban dystopian feeling.
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You know. It's this something that you've you've sort of
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conceived of that you're like, I need to have like
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the old and the new represented in that way, you know.
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So cyberpunk specifically, no, I do love it, but I
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do enjoy like all of my films kind of just
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take place during calamity, so like like I imagine that like
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like Bleeders and Conqueror Worm I've referred to it as
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kind of like this like modern Fall of Rome setting
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where it's just like we don't know exactly what's happened,
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but everything is just sort of crumbly and bad and like,
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you know, God is dead and let's throw party is
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kind of the vibe, right right, and so like it
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may have just accidentally made cyberpunk, which is fine by me.
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I do also really love combining you hit the nail
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on the head. I do love combining like classical gothic
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horror elements with really really modern settings of like you know,
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rather than like, oh, let's make Conqueror Worm and have
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it be you know, set in that time period, or
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like let's make like Mask of the Red Death and
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set in the Castle. I like the idea of taking
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those and then setting them in ultra modern settings or
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even like slightly futuristic of like like dystopian crumbling sort
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of everything is falling apart and so we've almost regressed too,
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the more kind of gothic society when these stories took
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place in the first place. Okay, yeah, like I don't
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know something like that, right right?
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maybe this is a stretch, but like a political motivation
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and for that because you're saying some about regression, right,
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and that immediately made to go which is funny because
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I was thinking more of like trying to it's sort
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of like revisionists, where it's like trying to fix the past. Oh,
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this is more the opposite of like how the future,
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like the current state of things is regressing much more
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into the doom and dread of the future than trying
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to fix the past. To be compleat perspective.
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always just liked the apocalypse. I've liked writing stories that
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take place in the end of the world, you know,
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like I grew up loving like The Stand and all
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the like teen dystopia novels that like my era grew
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up with and like you know, so I've always enjoyed
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kind of those stories about like humanity and extremists, and
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now we are just kind of living that and it
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releast like it feels like it's starting. Yeah, I'm not
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necessarily a past I don't actually necessarily believe that that's
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what's going to happen, but it has given the things
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that I naturally gravitated to to begin with a more political,
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purposeful bent. And I don't deny that, like, you know,
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as a transgender person living in America right now, that
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is also just a consideration that I have of, like,
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you know, there is something about the kind of crumbling
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nature of.
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Things that I like to portray.
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And you know, rather than making it political in such
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a way of like trying to like say, like a
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super specific, hyper political message, it's more about just where
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this path leads us, where we lead ourselves.
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That interests me. Yeah, I mean personally, I'm I prefer
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that I don't really like didactic art, you know, I.
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Find that when it's done really really well, but the
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teller and the story. But to me, you can get
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the same messaging across while still being true to the vision.
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That you have that is specific right, right, Yeah, I
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mean specificity is important. It's important in everything, right Yeah.
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But yeah, I think I think that maybe that was
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why I was surprised how much you like you've you rep. Iowa,
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because like, for me, not knowing much about America, I
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would assume like Iowa is maybe sort of like a
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more backwards part of the States, you know, Iowa is
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extremely conservative. Okay, sure, right right, Yeah, that is part
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of the reason I rep Iowa because I'm also Iowa. Okay, okay, yeah,
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part of it, yeah right right right now, that's clicking together. Yeah, yeah, ok.
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You know, Iowa might.
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Have our governor and our super republican regressive policies and
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the first state in the nation to repeal the rights
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of a group of people which was trans people, and
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all the things that I would did, but I will
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also has me and people like me and you know,
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freaks making freaky art and like you know, and like
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leftist thinking and progressive people, and you know, like we're
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not all backwards, and in.
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Fact, I would argue that there are many many people
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that are not.
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And you know, regardless of what I might think of
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my state on any given day, like I said, I
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was where I you know, was made both literally and
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also figuratively, it's spiritually my own. So I can't hate it,
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you know, I have to love it and be frustrated
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with it and wanted to change, but I own it.
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So yeah, I love that. Yeah that was really well said.
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And I you know, I can't I can't speak too
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much of it because I'm not from the States, but
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it sounds to me like Iowa needs you, needs you,
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and needs artists like you.
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People like me, people like you, people like me. Right,
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I would love to say Iowa needs me specifically. I
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don't think that's true. I think Iowa needs people like me. Sure, Sure,
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people like me are loud and obnoxious and make this
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kind of thing.
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It draws out more people like me to do the
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kind of thing that I'm doing, right, But I also
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think too, like, obviously the political aspect is important, you know,
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making provocative obnoxious as you say are, But I also
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think there is an elegance to your art too. It's
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not just one dimensional in a sense, you know what
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I mean. And I think that that sometimes can make
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the the like the more obnoxious aspect of it, which
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is necessary, you.
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Know, more is probably a better term than an obnoxious.
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But I like to provocative, not just to the right people,
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provocative to.
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Uh, to most people. Right. Yeah, well, I think that's
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maybe what I was getting at earlier when I was
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saying how it seems like, oh Iowa, I keep want
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to say Ohio because they said like such similar sending
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seats of me. But stuff happening in Ohio to actually
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totally yeah, but it seems like, you know, with the
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Conqueror Worm, which I thought was filmed in Iowa, showcases
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like a very thriving scene because it's like a big
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party and stuff. But I like, I'm assuming like your
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other films and are shot there.
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Yeah, like Bleeders was shot in Iowa City and Iowa
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like we did also throw a party in Iowa City.
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Okay, cool? Cool, nice, And.
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Yeah, everything else I've ever made has been shot in Iowa. Okay,
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And for the most part going forward, that is still
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the plan. Like, yeah, my Conqueror Worm is very much
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the situation of opportunity of I was. I was going
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to New York. I have filmmaker friends and film people
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out there who I love, and so it was the
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thing of like, well, I'm gonna be there, Let's make
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something while I'm there, right, And Mara and I you know,
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put our heads together and came up with Conqueror Worm.
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But even then, like you know, my friend of my
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actually like best friends, Jay, who was in Conqueror Worm
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is also the star of the Salvages, is an Iowan.
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So Lennea, who did the makeup for Conqueror Worm, lives
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in New York but is from Iowa. I am obviously
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from Iowa's like there was still a lot of Iowan
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talent in that film. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's just
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that thing of like I'm I'm drawn to stories about
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this place.
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So yeah, sure, sure. So I think for me, again,
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like not having been to Iowa and not knowing much
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about it, it did look kind of just like it
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could have been any city in the States, you know,
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But I guess that's probably like part for the course,
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you know. I mean, most of America does look like that.
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Yeah, and like that that is also okay, So that's
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that's sort of the other side of the coin is that,
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like I don't want my films to be so regional
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that anybody from anywhere else wouldn't watch it and be
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like be able to relate to it. And in fact,
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No Bleeders is sort of set in like City, USA,
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you know.
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Okay, but in my heart it's it's still Iowa.
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Like if one of the characters were to say very
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obnoxiously where they're from, it would be Iowa. It's also
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just the thing of like I sort of have this
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rule of not overfeeding the audience any exposition that the
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characters wouldn't naturally talk about or discuss, and so like
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you know, if like when if when Iris goes to
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the club, one of the people leaning against the wall
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be like, man, I hate Iowa, it just would have
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felt like like yeah, you know, but like you still
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have the snow, you have the blood in the Mason jars,
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you have just like the vibe of the Midwest, and
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still Iowa.
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It's just not Iowa out loud, I guess. Yeah, yeah, Okay.
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The Conqueror Worm shot in Brooklyn, are we supposed to
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assume that it's still part of the same world as
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Bleeders enough the Flesh, Yes, So those three films, to
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me are are kind of sisters. Yeah.
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They all have the drug the icor in common of
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like the thing like in in Conqueror Worm, it's the
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spray bottle that gets like sprayed.
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On everybody of the flesh.
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They have the little brown bottle, and then Bleeders it's
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kind of become like a street level drug, which to me,
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this wasn't really on purpose until Bleeders. Between Conqueror Worm
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and of the Flesh, and now with Bleeders, it's almost
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like watching the kind of progression of this particular drug
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going from being this like weird elite thing that only
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like maybe the kind of more wealthier affluent have access
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to to now like by the time Bleeders happens, it's
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this street level drug that everybody's taking, or at least
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like a lot of people are taking, and it's having
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like an effect on society and a lot.
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So I do feel like, you know, like you're almost
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building a really solid anthology film in a way, because
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they all compliment each other so well. And I didn't
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really think about it so much in The Conqueror Worm
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about the drug existing in it, because it was more
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about the worm and the like the text and everything.
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But now that you mentioned, I'm like, oh, ray, yeah,
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Like it's a drug that kind of connects them all.
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Is that something you can see yourself doing? Is like
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making maybe a few more drug related.
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Chot Yes, there's for sure going to be at least
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one more Bleeders specific short or feature in the future.
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It's not the next thing I'm doing, but I know
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what I want to do for it, and it's going
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to sort of be what I want to do now
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is sort of take all the disparate elements between Conqueror
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Worm of the Flesh and Bleeders and sort of combine
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them together into one project, so you'll get a little
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more of the kind of weird arcane stuff that you
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get in Conqueror Worm.
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Yes, kind of more of how this world works. That's
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that's the dream. Yeah.
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I would also add just the immense grain of salt
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of like, never quote me on a script before I've
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written it, because God only knows what I'm going to
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think of between now and then. That's what That's my
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goal with whatevers cool. It's sort of just like the
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lens has sort of gotten a little broader with each film,
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so it feels like this next one needs to sort
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of just be the Okay, let's just show everything you would.
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It would actually be really cool if you could figure
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out a way to kind of map it out so
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that you're cutting back and forth from the other shorts,
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so they're all happening simultaneously, like the same night or something.
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And what you get from that is that feeling of
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like more time is passing, you know, and that you
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can use that to your advantage of just like even
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when people aren't seeing those characters there, they know that
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they're continuing their night. Do you know what I mean,
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you're because that would really The only problem is that
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Bleeders does explicitly take place after of the Flesh because
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iris Okay, oh that's true. Yeah, Like, oh wait, so
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that she's the same character in both Yes, she is
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the same character.
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She has longer pink hair and of the Flesh and
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the short haircut in Bleeders. But that is that is
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intended to be the same person.
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Okay, I didn't realize that.
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Okay, which again this is all like this feel like
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inside baseball at this point of like this is anything
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mean for anyone to like really pay attention to. But
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in my own mind writing it, and since the same
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actress plays her, it is it is intended to be
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the same person. And this is where she ends up
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after the events above the Flesh.
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Okay, So it's the same drug in all three shorts, Okay,
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because I thought the drug in Bleeders was literally human blood.
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Uh, it's still the stuff in the little bottles. They
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drink the stuff and it makes them crave human blood
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is the idea.
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Oh okay, Okay, So so like, okay, gotcha, Yeah, it's okay,
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And again this is this.
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Is part of the problem with how I've told this stories.
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I've never really like made it made it clear, I
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guess probably, but like it's you know, it's it's something
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I want to address, is like what are the rules?
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And like I don't.
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Like again, I want to This is sort of why
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I'm taking a break from this storyline for a while.
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First of all, because I've found another thing I want
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to do, but also because like I want to.
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Have a little bit of time to.
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Sort of bake the lore in my own brain before
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I write another script in this world if I really
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want to stick to it, because no, my idea is
483
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that I core the drug in those little bottles. Is
484
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:35.400
this that kind of party drug like think of like
485
00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:39.119
something like you know, cocaine or like MDMA or something
486
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:40.839
where like people take it makes them feel really good
487
00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:43.160
and feel really up, but it also has kind of
488
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:46.960
vague supernatural properties of like making people maybe look younger
489
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:49.319
or live longer or whatever. But the more of it
490
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:53.519
you drink, it makes you create human blood, functionally turning.
491
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You into a vampire.
492
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So then people need more of the drug as well
493
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as drinking human blood to survive.
494
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.119
Okay, Okay, I think that makes a lot of sense,
495
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:06.319
Like now that you explain it, of course, well a
496
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:06.880
way more.
497
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:09.079
Explanation that I want people to need to just watch
498
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:10.079
Bleeders and enjoy it.
499
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:14.640
But like, since we're talking, you know, Ray, yeah, I think, yeah,
500
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:18.319
like now I can picture because she does get she
501
00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:20.119
does take a drug in the beginning, and then she
502
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:23.920
gets more drugs later. I don't know why though, Okay,
503
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:26.000
you know, what I thought it was was that the
504
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:30.559
drug was made out of blood. Maybe well, I mean yeah,
505
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.880
maybe now that we're talking about it. But for some reason,
506
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.519
I think because that was the very first thing I watched,
507
00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:38.960
so I didn't have any frame of reference, you know.
508
00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:41.519
So that's why I think the film, I thought they
509
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:42.559
were all different drugs.
510
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:44.599
I have no problem people thinking the drug might be
511
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:46.440
made out of blood. Like that's the thing is. I
512
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:48.880
don't want to just say like, well, no, actually the
513
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:51.680
drug is made of this like that that's so fun.
514
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.279
So like I don't want to say exactly what ic
515
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:57.599
or is or isn't. It's just that it is the
516
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:00.359
thing that makes people want to drink blood.
517
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:05.400
Okay, Well, what you're explaining sounds more to me like
518
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:09.599
something you'd read in like classic orror literature, you know,
519
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:14.000
like something more like an opium or like a mysterious serum,
520
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.960
you know, whereas like talking about it in terms of
521
00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:21.160
like blood, the drug being made of human blood, it
522
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:23.839
immediately makes me think of like almost more science fiction,
523
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:25.119
like soilent green or something.
524
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:27.640
I was picturing something more like the way people used
525
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:30.359
to think about like absinthe or like like a like
526
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.119
kind of like the God's kind of thing where it's
527
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:36.359
this mysterious substance and it comes in a little glass
528
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:39.799
bottle with a quirk stopper, or like it's would have
529
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.920
intended to look anachronistic for the time period it's in
530
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:46.519
or like you know, it's it's it's now, it's modern,
531
00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:48.440
but like you're getting this drug and this like a
532
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:50.960
little vial that looks like it would have come from
533
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.400
a pharmacy and like the seventeen hundreds.
534
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.279
Right right, apothecarry or something.
535
00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:59.640
Yeah, So it's kind of just kind of almost weird
536
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:07.240
out of time gothic element introduced into this very modern world, right.
537
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.920
So it's sort of like that combination again of the
538
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:13.799
old and the new, because it's like you've turned this
539
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:19.119
old uh Supernatural tinged you know, mystery Serum into a
540
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:23.839
club drug. Yeah, basically yeah, Okay, I'm assuming you were
541
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:28.920
influenced by like Climax a little bit by that Jas
542
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:32.920
Barno in general, Climax especially Yeah. Yeah, that was something
543
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.799
like trying to think of, you know, directors that have
544
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:38.960
possibly influenced you, like Gasparoa was the main press that
545
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:41.279
came to mind, But would there be any other directors
546
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:42.599
that have to.
547
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.880
Jennifer Decarno is a huge one for me, raw those
548
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:53.759
for me. Jennifer Kent is another one, Julia Decarno.
549
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.920
Jennifer Kent Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I
550
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:57.640
knew who you meant?
551
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.160
Yeah, the One, The Baba Duck, The Nightingale. The are
552
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.480
two big films for me. Lars von Trier is a
553
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:05.880
huge influence for me, particularly Anti Christ.
554
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:09.440
Uh there's so.
555
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:14.400
Many obviously know I which we already mentioned. Uh, Rose
556
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:19.759
Glass Love Oh yeah, big one for me. But yeah,
557
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:24.599
any any like older directors, like people from like further
558
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:28.799
back that you can think of. Cassie Bettis is a
559
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:35.200
big one. Okay, old school like okay, this isn't.
560
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:36.559
Even that far back, but like like.
561
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:43.119
Old like mumblecore, like you're like, my god, uh.
562
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:44.279
Like the Duplas Brothers.
563
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:50.920
Yeah, or I'm thinking like I actually don't like uh
564
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:53.240
like like like like Francis Hall was one that I
565
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:57.559
watched that was gwig thank you, Oh my god, I
566
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:02.400
love for me, but like you watched some of her
567
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.119
early films or some of the early work she was
568
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:06.200
in and it is just like all like shot in
569
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:07.200
the shitty apartment in.
570
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.720
New York, Like it's great, Yeah, you have like your
571
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style is very how would I put this, like very
572
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.559
micro in a way, like like seemed to seeing you
573
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.839
insert a lot of ascetic ideas that are specific to
574
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.720
like that point, you know, and it feels like like
575
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.400
a lot of the sculpting of the film comes out
576
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:33.839
in the editing, you know, which is I think why,
577
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:36.440
Like you named a lot of really strong directors I
578
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.960
can see have obviously made an impact on you. But
579
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:41.240
I'm curious about it if there's any directors that lean
580
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:46.240
more into like extremely stylish filmmaking, like Gaspernoe is someone
581
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:48.759
that's like that. But I'm just wondering if there's anyone, Yeah,
582
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.400
mind like that as far as classical director is also
583
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:55.400
a Bergman would be a huge influence for me. Is
584
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.599
a big movie for me. Yeah, but I.
585
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:03.519
Mean, yeah, I I think that style is also just
586
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.839
more of a consequence of like, you know, I've been
587
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:11.000
doing this functionally, you know, most of it myself since
588
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.240
I was like in sixth grade, So like, you know,
589
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.559
I have a team of people now who help me out,
590
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:20.519
and I have different people on different projects. So obviously
591
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:22.279
I'm not saying I do everything alone, but like, for
592
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.279
the most part, I write the things mostly myself. I
593
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:28.039
share the things mostly myself, and I edit the things
594
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:33.920
largely myself, and so I I very much know exactly
595
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.039
what I want the project to be and look like
596
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:41.160
before I've even done any work on it. Oh really, okay, Yeah,
597
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:46.279
And so like my scripts are often very specific, and
598
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.480
then you know, we'll play on the day and we'll
599
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.240
change things and make it work, and I'm just sort
600
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.400
of reformatting things in my head as we go, and
601
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:56.599
then I sit down and edit and like just sort
602
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:59.359
of try to create the thing that I initially saw.
603
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.720
On my mind. Okay, So yeah, I would I would
604
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:06.599
assume that a lot of the ascetic ideas that come
605
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:10.720
up happen more from you, just like pushing things further
606
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:13.799
and further as you're editing. Oh you did too, Okay
607
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:14.599
a little bit.
608
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.559
I think it's more just that, like I almost wonder
609
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.079
if what you're seeing is more because of this sort
610
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.359
of stream of consciousness thing that happens earlier of just
611
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.079
how I write and how I I film things is
612
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:33.359
very Yeah, Like I'm not big on transitions. I'm big
613
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.640
on just like we're gonna follow this character through this
614
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.400
really specific situation and I don't really care like where
615
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:39.960
they stopped to eat, or like where they went to
616
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.400
the bathroom or what they did in between. Like I
617
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:47.960
just I really like these very kind of clipped storylines.
618
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:52.680
Okay, I don't know. I that's interesting.
619
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.119
I haven't really thought about like where my films take
620
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.400
shape more if it's in the writing or the editing process.
621
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:04.079
Well, I maybe because I'm trying to like overly conveniently
622
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.400
tie a few guests together. But like I just interviewed
623
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.680
this guy, Robbie Smith, who did this film I Don't
624
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:15.359
Like It here, which is on screen box, and he
625
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:18.799
was talking about a lot of his films, a lot
626
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:21.839
of it comes out in the editing. And then I
627
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:25.039
spoke to the m sisters who did Divine Hammer, and
628
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:27.720
they were talking about how like a lot of that
629
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:29.960
film came out in the editing, you know, and it's
630
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:34.240
something I'm noticing. Great A Divine Hammer is fucking great. Oh,
631
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.079
it's amazing. You should see. I don't like it here
632
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.640
as well, because I think that will really impress you,
633
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.880
and especially since like when you go into it the
634
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:45.000
first twenty minutes, I saw you like, okay, and.
635
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:48.799
Then it flips and you're like, what to kind of
636
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:50.559
go off of what you're saying. Yeah, the way I
637
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:54.160
would describe it is that the leaders really from conception
638
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:58.079
to screenwriting to filming to editing, what you see is
639
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.119
very much what I pictured when I wrote it. So
640
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:04.759
it really was pretty consistent as to how I wanted
641
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:06.160
it to look from the time that I wrote it
642
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:06.440
to the.
643
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:07.720
Time that I was sitting down to edit it.
644
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:12.639
Right, And so like the things that come on the
645
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.400
edit for me are more like the small moments and
646
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:18.679
like the timing, Like I am the kind of person
647
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.599
that can agonize over a single frame of a shot
648
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:23.039
for like forty five.
649
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:25.760
Minutes, like, you know, like those little things. I think
650
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:29.000
that's what I see, you know, I see that your
651
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:32.840
editing is really strong, like really really strong, and I
652
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.400
think that's maybe what I'm tying together. Then with all
653
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.360
these filmmakers you know, yourself included, is just like like
654
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:41.800
the film is great, but then when it comes to
655
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:46.320
the editing, there's such a such a meticulous sort of
656
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:49.920
like precision to it. You know what I mean, meticulous decision.
657
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:51.840
It's kind of the same word, but just such a
658
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.159
precision of like like the rhythm of everything is so
659
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.280
perfect and precise. You know, rhythm is exactly the word.
660
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.360
Because to me, there is.
661
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.800
Like I can't write music, I can't play any instruments,
662
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:06.599
but I love like singing, I love acting, I love
663
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.480
musical theater, and there is.
664
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:10.679
Like editing is.
665
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.239
About finding the rhythm of a scene, of a moment,
666
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.760
where like sometimes, like I said, even down to a
667
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.920
single a single frame of a shot, you know, like
668
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:25.320
if you have somebody like you know, swinging a sword
669
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:31.760
or somebody, those micro seconds matter for how good it's
670
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:33.760
going to look, how well it's going to be sold
671
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:35.119
to the audience, and even.
672
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:36.840
Just the timing of impact.
673
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:41.800
Yeah, And it's the same with music, like music in
674
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:47.039
a film it I I I love when a score
675
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.679
sounds specific when it sounds like it was written for
676
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:52.039
that project, even if it wasn't.
677
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:56.360
Like I used, you know, music I've found online before. Okay,
678
00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:58.159
but like you know, when you.
679
00:35:58.079 --> 00:35:59.800
Can edit it in such a way where it feels
680
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.320
like these two things, it's all of a piece, it
681
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:05.559
all goes together, it all leads to something, that's why
682
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:06.920
you've done it, you know.
683
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.480
Yeah, yeah, well I think so. Then Earlier, when I
684
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:13.559
was like asking about like older influences, I was curious
685
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.480
if maybe like Kenneth Anger has come up familiar. To
686
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.119
be honest, oh, I think it's time to dip into
687
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.159
Kenneth Anger then, because, like, if I'm not mistaken, I
688
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:28.400
think he sort of invented that use of like popular
689
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:33.960
music over like narrative film in in in a way
690
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.840
that we're kind of more accustomed to it now sense.
691
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.280
And his films are very satanic, A lot of them
692
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:47.800
are very gay. Some of his films Lucifer Rising, Convocation
693
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.000
of My Invocation of My Demon Brother. He did one
694
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:59.559
that's like all like leather and motorcycles, and I den't
695
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:01.760
reely heard Lose forh rizing. I for sure you watch
696
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.079
the stuff, because yeah, I think you can find it
697
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:08.320
on Do you know the website ubu web. Yeah, yeah,
698
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.079
I think it's on there. I grabbed like the BFI
699
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:14.360
Blu ray of all his shorts while ago, and yeah,
700
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.679
I highly recommend that. There's one that like Nick Jagger
701
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:20.280
did the score for and it's just him. It sounds
702
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.840
like he's high as fuck on like a synthesizer, just
703
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.960
tweaking like one knob. That's it's like so minimal. No, no,
704
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.519
it's phenomenal. And then the whole short is like terrifying,
705
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:36.960
like satanic imagery and like random homo rotic imagery and
706
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.880
stuff like all cut together. It's so good. Yeah, yeah,
707
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.480
I highly recommend it. Yeah, but yeah, I mean his
708
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:46.119
stuff is still very much more like primitive compared to
709
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:50.079
like what you're doing, what Gasparnoe or is doing and everything,
710
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:56.440
you know, because you're definitely more born of like contemporary style, and.
711
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.559
Honestly like that that is something about me that I
712
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.880
It's not something I'm like ashamed of, but it is
713
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:05.760
true where like a lot of my filmmaker friends and
714
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:08.239
a lot of the people I talk film with, their
715
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:10.559
their knowledge of film, with the love of film does
716
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:12.840
go a lot further back where I is, like, I
717
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:15.920
freely admit I am kind of a child of my contemporaries.
718
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.000
I really like, I really like the last like twenty
719
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:21.920
five years of cinema.
720
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:23.079
Yeah, there's something wrong with it.
721
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:26.159
And it's not that I don't appreciate. I do watch
722
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:28.360
a lot of older and classic films and love it.
723
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.320
But you know, like when I think about my influences again,
724
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:35.639
it's no way, it's Von Trier, it's Rose Glass, it's
725
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:39.079
Jennifer Kent, It's people that have been making movies right now, yeah,
726
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:43.440
or within the last twenty five thirty years. And you know,
727
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.599
I think that maybe it is just the fact that
728
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:50.159
I like setting my films in such a modern setting
729
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:54.400
that like it is natural that I kind of look
730
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:59.000
for that cinematic language. Sure, but yeah, I'm just I'm
731
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:00.960
very into contemporary cinema.
732
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.039
I see a lot more optimism in that. I think.
733
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.840
I think there are a lot of people that unfortunately
734
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:11.679
look at, like, you know, the year two thousand, Like
735
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:14.880
I think people specifically cite nine to eleven as like
736
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:18.599
a turning point for cinema, you know, And I find
737
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:20.920
that a lot of people that just swear by everything
738
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.440
before nine to eleven and can't fully give it's so cynical.
739
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:29.239
It's like cynical because you're yes, definitely in terms of
740
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.920
like mainstream, big Hollywood cinema.
741
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:35.599
Yeah, it's going to change. And I'm not even.
742
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.719
Saying I don't still love a summer blockbuster, because I do,
743
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:44.559
but you know, we do just kind of disregard everything
744
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:49.519
that isn't some big ten twenty million dollars or fifty
745
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.960
hundred million dollar Hollywood project as like that's not the
746
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:56.400
voice of cinema right now, when like there are still
747
00:39:56.440 --> 00:40:00.400
people right now making these really cool, weird, transgressive product Jex.
748
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:03.800
Yeah, and just as much as there always has been.
749
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.639
Yeah, you know so, I Yeah, that's kind of the
750
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:11.119
irony is that I am actually much more of an
751
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.760
optimist and much more of a humanist than my movies
752
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:18.039
would suggest. I have a very cynical, artistic voice, and
753
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:21.000
I am very like, you know, death and doom and
754
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:25.960
destruction when I'm writing, But me personally, I actually think
755
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.000
people are pretty great and things tend to work out.
756
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:33.239
That's great. H Well, I think that's that speaks to
757
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.960
the energy of your films, you know, it also speaks
758
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:38.320
to a film that I wanted to talk to you
759
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:42.960
about the salvages, because that really surprised me how sweet
760
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:47.639
and romantic it was. Thank you. Yeah, it was like, oh,
761
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:51.840
she doesn't hate the world that much. She like.
762
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:58.239
To me, was at its simplest form, despite the like
763
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:02.119
the kind of like rape revenge film elements and the
764
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:07.480
the apocalyptic elements. I I was very much just drawn
765
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:11.480
to the idea that like, even in that situation, in
766
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:14.800
in the literal apocalypse, days before the world is going
767
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.360
to end, Yeah, for a lot of people, life just
768
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:23.239
wouldn't stop like you would. You would continue existing largely
769
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:27.119
the way you do now up until the literal moment
770
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:31.639
the world ends. And so like I wanted to play
771
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:35.119
it very much like they kind of just keep forgetting
772
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.079
that the world's going to blow up in two days
773
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.679
or or rather that like that doesn't really change things
774
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:47.559
for them. Yeah, And because because I don't think it would,
775
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.320
you know, I think that yeah, like some people would
776
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:52.760
be like I'm gonna go out and burn down Main
777
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:53.960
Street or whatever.
778
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:57.320
You'd have those people, a lot of people.
779
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.320
It would just be a lot of small stories, and
780
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.920
you know, it would just be people just trying to
781
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:06.599
kind of live their lives and ignore or disregard the
782
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.199
fact that the world was going to end and still
783
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:11.119
be stressed about the same stuff. You'd still have the
784
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:14.320
same problems, you'd be dealing with the same people. So,
785
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:18.639
you know, I liked the idea of taking this huge
786
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:24.320
cosmic story and diluting it down to the absolute smallest
787
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:28.400
possible lens, which is these people in absolute isolation, completely
788
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:32.079
removed from the actual events of the larger apocalypse. Like
789
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:34.280
you know, they're hearing on the radio, They're like, oh,
790
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:36.800
the cities are burning and mobs are running through the streets,
791
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:38.079
but like they don't see any.
792
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:42.119
Of that, but we see it as the audience, Like we.
793
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.719
Get that tiny little glimpse that I've actually since even
794
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:49.360
kind of regret putting that in the movie. But that's
795
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.360
that's just that's just me talking. Like anytime you make
796
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:55.239
something and you look back and watch it three years later,
797
00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.719
your life. Yeah, But like, you know, I like the
798
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:04.000
fact that, like because and again I think of people
799
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.719
where I'm from, you know, like people in a town
800
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:12.360
of two hundred hear about these huge, scary events going
801
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:16.480
on elsewhere in the world, and it doesn't seem to
802
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:20.960
change their lives at all. Okay, you know, it doesn't,
803
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:24.760
and so I was I was fascinated by that that,
804
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:27.239
like their circumstances hasn't really changed.
805
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.239
Are you saying that maybe it should? Yes, because oh
806
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:32.880
okay you are okayo.
807
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:36.400
Yeah, yeah, we should care about what's happening, right, Yeah,
808
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.199
he's Judis and aber and the Salvage is obviously they're
809
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:42.400
trapped and dealing with something different. But like, you know, yes,
810
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:46.000
if there's a message to my films, if there is
811
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:49.039
a quote unquote moral message, it's that we should generally
812
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.760
help each other. Like there's a part in Leaders that
813
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:58.119
I think about that I wrote where the one character says, well,
814
00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:02.239
I think everybody has some, but nobody's share, and like
815
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:04.239
that to me is the whole thing, right of like
816
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.639
all these characters are like suffering and dying and like
817
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:11.119
theoretically could actually be easier on themselves.
818
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:11.519
But nobody wants to.
819
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:15.360
But I got mine right, And you know, the Salvages
820
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:18.840
is more about the personal struggle. But you know that
821
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:22.559
isn't an element is just let like you know, we've
822
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:25.599
all got our own shit going on, and you know,
823
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:30.039
like look at like COVID, I think everybody thought that,
824
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.519
like ohever humanity is going to come together, We're all
825
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:33.639
going to figure this out, and.
826
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:38.800
Like what happened not that, Yeah, you know, we do.
827
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:41.280
You know, we all just kind of stayed in our
828
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:45.840
bubbles and did the same ship we'd been doing. And
829
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:48.400
I think that even if it was a bigger, more
830
00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:52.480
existential threat, it'd be pretty much the same.
831
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:57.000
So yeah, that's true. Yeah, two things I want to say,
832
00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:59.760
I don't want to forget them. Like one is that
833
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:03.840
they're is an able Farira film from like the late
834
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:06.719
two thousands called four forty four I think the Last
835
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:09.920
Day on Earth with Willing to phone it and it
836
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.320
sounds it's pretty similar to what you're talking about about
837
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.760
how even if it was the end of the world,
838
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:17.719
people would just be doing the same thing is that
839
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:19.960
they normally would be doing. And that's sort of the
840
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:23.400
whole crux of the film is that, like everything, the
841
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:26.199
traffic looks the same at the window. There's even a
842
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:29.360
point where they like they order Chinese food and they
843
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:31.360
delivery guy comes in and they're like, why are you
844
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:33.079
doing this? And the guys just like, what are you
845
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:34.960
talking about? Like I need to make money, you know.
846
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:37.880
It's all happening on like the Last Day of Earth. Yeah.
847
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:41.239
The other thing was that you're saying how these people
848
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.639
are like living their lives as if it isn't the
849
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.719
end of the world name late Judith and Obera. But
850
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:50.639
I felt like if it wasn't the last days on Earth,
851
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.639
they wouldn't say I love you too. Yeah, that's actually
852
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:55.599
I guess that's the one thing I wanted to clarify
853
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:57.840
what I said to me. Are kind of doing it
854
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:02.559
right right, Like they they recognize what they're about to lose,
855
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:04.920
and they take advantage of it and they find each
856
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:08.880
other in that. It's largely it's it's people like like
857
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:13.400
halting the villain in that story, where like him, this
858
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.719
is just a tool to get what he wanted anyway, Yeah,
859
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:19.800
and to just can kind of continue being this oppressive,
860
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:23.719
terrible person he's presumably always been, right, and you know,
861
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.599
so it's I'm just always more interested in the smaller,
862
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:32.480
kind of more human stories. Sure, yeah, you know, as
863
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:35.039
much as like it's fun for me to like sit
864
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.760
down and write something crazy where like all these people
865
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.880
are running through the streets and you know, it's like
866
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:43.320
a panel ot of like crossed, Like it's just not
867
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:47.599
that's not what draws me you know. Yeah, Yeah, it's
868
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:52.000
more the little things that draw me. Yeah. It seemed
869
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.400
to me, especially with that film, like you had all
870
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:58.679
these genre genre elements in the film so that you
871
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.320
could almost like, for lack of a better term, like
872
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:05.280
calm down, to write such a like you know, intimate
873
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:08.880
and vulnerable piece, you know what I mean, like storyline.
874
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:11.400
You know, like if you didn't have those genre elements,
875
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:14.239
you'd probably be worrying more about like how am I
876
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:16.960
going to make this exciting? But because we had all
877
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.960
those like moments of terror and depravity and disturbing things,
878
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.519
it made obviously the audience really appreciate like, oh, now
879
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:26.440
we can just relax with these two girls that are
880
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.280
falling in love, which was very sweet. Like you guys
881
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.239
really nailed that, you know, thank you. Yeah, yeah, that's
882
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:35.639
the credit to the actors. Also, Yeah, they did a
883
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:36.760
great job. For sure.
884
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.639
They were both astounding to work with. But yeah, and
885
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:42.719
who did a phenomenal job.
886
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.079
Say, you're making me think of a guest I interviewed
887
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:48.559
last summer. Do you know Bruce Longo? No, I don't.
888
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:51.639
Oh you should look him up. I think he'd be
889
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:53.840
really into his films and he would be into your
890
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:56.880
films and he does. I think it's like blood Sick
891
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:00.480
is his company or something, and he does, Like I've
892
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:04.400
heard of blood Sick. Yeah, at least, if not that
893
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:07.039
blood Sick, another blood Sick. But Bruce Longo you said
894
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:08.800
his name is, Yeah, it's like I think it's spelled
895
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:12.880
b r e w CE Bruce Longo. And so his
896
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:17.000
whole thing is that he makes these horror films. But
897
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:20.880
he told me he's way more into drama, like he
898
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.639
he you know, he'll basically have like a horror film
899
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:27.199
and then just end up really enjoying more of like
900
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:31.880
the character character interactions and relationships and things like that.
901
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:35.920
Like that's kind of more his his bread and butter. Yeah, yeah,
902
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.880
which is interesting to me. And I guess for me
903
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:42.199
looking at it like as the outsider, I kind of
904
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:44.559
love looking at it as like you guys are all
905
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.079
playing with genre in order to like allow yourselves to
906
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.000
go to those more more vulnerable places, you know.
907
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.719
Yeah, like because I do love drama and in fact,
908
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:59.079
like I will say that one of my biggest things
909
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:02.159
I love about horror movie is when you could remove
910
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:04.639
all the horror elements and still have a great story.
911
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:06.519
Yeah, you know, if.
912
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:09.079
You take ghost Face out of Scream, it's just a
913
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.960
teams all right, But like, should you take the demon
914
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:17.679
out of Hereditary, it's still a harrowing family. I mean
915
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:21.519
like it's it's it's like which, okay, not to diminish Scream.
916
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:25.639
I fucking love Scream, but I am drawn to stories
917
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.440
where it's like there is a really really powerful thing
918
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:32.559
happening here and also something terrifying.
919
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:36.519
Like right right, well, could you see yourself? Ever, just
920
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:40.280
like completely not working genre at all and just delivering
921
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:44.239
that drama. I've thought about it.
922
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:47.239
I don't think so, Like, to be honest, I made
923
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:52.360
a drama once called Roulette Girl, which isn't publicly online yet,
924
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:56.199
but I I didn't intend for it to be a
925
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:58.280
horror film, but there is kind of a ghost story
926
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:01.199
element to it. And I show to some friends and
927
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:02.920
it was that they liked it, but it was like,
928
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:06.199
this is just disturbing, and like it's just as dark
929
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.920
as everything else I've made. Okay, I am I am
930
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:13.599
just drawn to horror. I really really like it, and
931
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:18.239
I also just kind of I do rebel against the
932
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:22.039
notion that like you can't make really really excellent stories
933
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:26.679
and also keep them in the horror genre, so that
934
00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:28.400
that has become sort of a point for me of
935
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.199
just like I love making horror films, so anything that,
936
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:34.679
you know, unless I yeah, I never say never, right,
937
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:36.440
Someday I could think of something that I really want
938
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.760
to do that has nothing to do with horror, but
939
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:41.079
it is very much what propels me.
940
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:45.880
So yeah, I think I think for most people like
941
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.960
yourself that work in this way, I think you'd arrive
942
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:51.920
at that point where you're able to make a drama
943
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.679
when you're actually there, you know what I mean, Like
944
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:59.119
like when you've when you've peeled back all the layers
945
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.079
to really like because.
946
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:03.039
Like you know, I would say this is a drama
947
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:05.639
in a lot of ways for sure, drama that also
948
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.679
has some horror elements to it. Yeah, but you know again,
949
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.559
I I just I like that my movies are horror films,
950
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:16.880
you know, and don't like, even if they're debatable on
951
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:20.519
how scary they are, they're still horror.
952
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:22.199
They're still formed.
953
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:26.719
By, and designed by and and intended to be horror films.
954
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.639
And like this this next film that I'm working on,
955
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.199
which I can't quite talk about yet, the only thing
956
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:39.039
I'll say about it, I'm adapting something that isn't mine.
957
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:43.360
I got permission to adapt something that isn't mine, which.
958
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:45.679
I'm very excited about. Uh, and it's going to be
959
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:46.199
a feature.
960
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:50.159
It is going to be easily the darkest thing I've
961
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:54.159
ever made, and I'm very excited about it. But it
962
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:55.880
has no supernatural elements whatsoever.
963
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:59.840
It is entirely a human drama, but it is dark.
964
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:04.559
So it is like it's like a horror, and it's horror,
965
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:08.239
but it's human horror. It's very much like just like
966
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.320
what people are capable of doing to each other, rather
967
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:15.119
than like, you know, a ghoul or an angel or
968
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.880
a demon like it's it's very much the horror of.
969
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:24.880
People. Okay, like murder and stuff like that. Okay, cool.
970
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:27.440
Do you think it's something that I would know like
971
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:28.760
they might be.
972
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:35.400
I'll tell you after we're recording, Okay, Okay, But to
973
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:37.119
be honest, is that a point now where like I'll
974
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.199
probably be able to announce it soon, but I just
975
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:43.079
don't want to jinx it before. I'm working on my
976
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.599
script draft now and then I'm gonna send it off
977
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:48.400
to the person who gave me permission to do this,
978
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.360
and she's gonna read it. Over and let me know
979
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.920
what she thinks of it, which is also really cool
980
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:56.599
that like, not only do I get to adapt to
981
00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:58.760
this work, but like the person who created it is
982
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.119
like willing to like give me notes on it and
983
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:03.800
tell me what they think of it, which is like awesome.
984
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:06.599
Okay, And then I guess if you were to do
985
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:10.719
more shorts connected to Bleeders and of the Flesh that
986
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:13.400
might be happening after Yeah, yeah, okay.
987
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:18.360
And in fact, I even you know, I'm debating with
988
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:23.000
my next Bleeders project if I wanted to be a
989
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.519
feature or if I wanted to be another short, or
990
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:27.719
like you said, if I want to kind of do
991
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:31.519
an anthology thing and make like two or three more
992
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:33.920
shorts and then release them all at once as kind
993
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:35.639
of a like comp.
994
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:39.480
Bleeders was the first thing I watched, So maybe this
995
00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:43.679
this did obviously influence my impression of it, but like
996
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:46.320
I really felt like I wanted it to keep going,
997
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.000
you know, which is the best compliment you can get
998
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.199
on a short, right, like totally yeah, So like if
999
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:56.719
you if you could even take Bleeders and just add
1000
00:53:56.840 --> 00:53:58.079
on to it, you know.
1001
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.039
And you know, to be honest, that's sort of the
1002
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.519
direction I almost am leaning more and more toward is like,
1003
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:05.639
rather than this next project, well, the next project after
1004
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:07.960
the next thing I'm doing, rather than the next Bleeders
1005
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:11.840
project being a sequel to Bleeders, I almost want to
1006
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:16.960
treat Bleeders more as the concept film and then write
1007
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:19.800
a feature that will just be sort of all encompassing,
1008
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:23.639
so like not necessarily worry about to be in continuation,
1009
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:26.480
but more of just like an expansion of Bleeders.
1010
00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:29.440
Yeah, but like Bleeders is the demo and then the
1011
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:31.320
next film is the full length kind of thing.
1012
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:34.920
Yeah, Okay, so for sure Ali will come back as Iris,
1013
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.039
like that's a guarantee. Nice, But like, obviously, like I
1014
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:39.719
have a lot of there's a lot of other characters
1015
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:41.480
that haven't even ended up in any of these scripts
1016
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:44.039
yet that I already know, and yeah, that like exist,
1017
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:46.880
so I'm excited to introduce them too.
1018
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:50.559
So I mean total wishful thinking here, but it would
1019
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.760
be so cool to even have Bleeders be the final
1020
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:57.280
like was it ten to twenty minutes of the film,
1021
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:01.840
So it's all this prequel leading up to that, you know, Well,
1022
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:05.079
that's that's something really exciting to me. Weirdly, enough, what
1023
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:10.360
makes me think of that uh Jeffrey Dahmer film, Oh
1024
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:14.960
my friend, Yes, funny enough.
1025
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:18.280
I'll say this and then I'll stop because again, I
1026
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:19.639
don't like to get too ahead of myself.
1027
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.360
Okay, I think of Bleeders as more of.
1028
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:27.239
The beginning of a film. Okay, Sure, somebody seeking a
1029
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.199
short term solution to something failing to find one, and
1030
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:33.440
now she will need to do more drastic things to survive,
1031
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:37.239
and so like, I'm curious off where she goes.
1032
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:40.199
After the events of that. Right, we'll see, we'll see.
1033
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:42.320
Yeah, I even written a script yet, and I'm working
1034
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.639
on another project first, so there's a lot of time
1035
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:46.920
between now and then for that to sort of simmer
1036
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:47.480
in my mind.
1037
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:50.679
Your your, your idea is way better because you're thinking
1038
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:52.440
more in terms of, like this is going to work
1039
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:55.159
for people who have never seen Bleeders. Yes, I'm thinking
1040
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:57.440
more in terms of I've seen Bleeders. Wouldn't it be
1041
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.679
cool if Bleeders had a pretty cool you know, like but.
1042
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:04.159
Then only some crazy ship that I want to do.
1043
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.800
I ali thought of some really fucking cool ideas too.
1044
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.639
We just went to Chicago together recently cool and saw
1045
00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:12.760
which club satan which was really fun.
1046
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:18.920
Okay, I was wondering what that shirt was. Yeah, which club? Okay?
1047
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:19.360
They amazing.
1048
00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:22.239
They're a blad feminist black metal band from Norway. They're
1049
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:23.079
fucking awesome.
1050
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.159
Sick. We saw which club Satan And on.
1051
00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:29.800
The way there, we were talking about Bleeders and like
1052
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:34.079
a possible future Bleeders movie, and we cooked out some
1053
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:35.920
cool concepts for.
1054
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:40.480
That, so okay, cool cool. Yeah, So it'll be continuously
1055
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:44.800
cooking and simmering while you you focus on this. Uh
1056
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:48.639
this very likely but still not one in the bag
1057
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:55.440
feature film that's an adaptation of something of something Okay, awesome, awesome, Again,
1058
00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:59.280
thank you so much to the listener. We've I ran
1059
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:01.519
into a lot of tech difficulties and we had to
1060
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:04.280
reschedule this and everything, So thank you so much Carson
1061
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:08.039
for yeah coming heard of it. Yeah, thank you for
1062
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:08.440
having me.
1063
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:12.679
Definitely I would love to come back on when super
1064
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:14.800
Secret Project is happening and talk more about it.
1065
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:17.320
So yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, I definitely want to hear
1066
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:19.280
more about that, so yeah, I will hit you up.
1067
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.559
All right, let's do this questionnaire. All right, what is
1068
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:27.239
one item you can't live without? My headphones? Okay, what
1069
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:27.920
kind do you have.
1070
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:30.559
I just have little earbuds that I carry with you
1071
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:35.239
every but like I I'm constantly listening to music and
1072
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:38.320
conceptualizing things and cool.
1073
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:41.719
Oh yeah, I need my headphones. Okay, this is just
1074
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:44.760
like a random question I'm adding in in the moment,
1075
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:50.000
like what's the latest favorite album that you're listening to currently?
1076
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.400
While working on this new project, I'm listening to a
1077
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:53.519
lot of Ethel Kane.
1078
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:56.960
Oh nice? Okay, does she have a new album out?
1079
00:57:57.920 --> 00:57:58.719
I don't know what.
1080
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:01.960
Her most recent one is actually the one I'm listening
1081
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:03.800
to for writing.
1082
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:10.679
Project X or whatever is Daughter? Okay, that's the one
1083
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.599
with American teen? Is that the song? Yes?
1084
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:17.280
Okay, The one I'm listening to on repeat more than
1085
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:19.000
any other is August Underground.
1086
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:25.039
August Underground. But yeah the song itself right right? Yeah?
1087
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:28.079
Super cool? Yeah. I think that's really the only album
1088
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:33.320
I've listened to at least like incredible. Yeah. Her Criterion
1089
00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:36.800
Closet video too, was like why is this the best
1090
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:42.320
one ever made? I love? Okay, what was the last
1091
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:46.000
great movie you saw in theaters? Last great movie I
1092
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:50.679
saw in theaters? Obsession? Oh yeah, yeah that was awesome.
1093
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.400
I saw Obsession and back Rooms, and I liked back
1094
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:55.000
Rooms a lot, but Obsession was.
1095
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:58.679
Great totally, I would agree. Yeah. I actually just saw
1096
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:02.719
back Rooms last weekend and was like pretty much amazing
1097
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:06.159
until the dinner party. The dinner sequence, I actually liked
1098
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:07.440
that part. Okay.
1099
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:09.840
To me, it's just again, Obsession did that thing that
1100
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:11.880
I love where it did a lot with a little
1101
00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:19.760
and yeah, also just the performances were yeah perfect. So yeah,
1102
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:22.880
Obsession was a film that I really enjoyed. And then
1103
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:25.920
I got home and I felt so bummed out. And
1104
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:27.840
then the more I thought about it, I was like
1105
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:30.199
it was like growing in my mind. It was just
1106
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:33.840
like and there's there's an element of it that I
1107
00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:36.360
really want to try myself and work on more, which
1108
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:37.960
is that low light photography.
1109
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:41.480
Oh, the silhouettes and the darkness and the eyes shining
1110
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:44.440
and all. I was just like, you've almost got that
1111
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:45.280
go on here.
1112
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:51.079
Yeah yeah, yeah, so that's that's something that really spoke
1113
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:51.320
to me.
1114
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:55.000
Cool. Cool, Okay, I have a feeling I know what
1115
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:56.639
the answer is to this one. But what was the
1116
00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:59.639
last great concert you went to? It was Witch Club
1117
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:00.639
Satan in Chicago.
1118
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:06.360
This Patriarchy opened for them and they're badass, but which
1119
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:08.199
clubs is one that I wanted to see for a
1120
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:08.719
long time.
1121
01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:14.159
Nice, and it was. It was fucking magical. It was great. Yeah,
1122
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:19.360
I gotta look them up. You said they're black metal. Yeah, okay, Yeah, lots.
1123
01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:22.199
Of screaming, but they're I love that kind of music,
1124
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:25.760
so yeah, yeah, okay, to be fair, I love hardcore screaming,
1125
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:29.000
like like screaming punk music. I don't love a lot
1126
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:33.920
of other black metal because black metal is a complex
1127
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.800
genre with politics.
1128
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:41.360
Was great. I'm right there with you. I'm more of
1129
01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:45.880
a death metal guy personally. I love death in general. Nice. Nice.
1130
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:51.079
Strain is a big one for me. Laurna Shore Yeah nice. Okay.
1131
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:55.880
So what was the last great book you read? Uh?
1132
01:00:55.920 --> 01:01:01.840
I can't tell you what it was, Okay, okay, maybe
1133
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:06.079
I read was The King and Yellow?
1134
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:11.000
Actually, The King Yellow was the last great book I
1135
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:14.800
read that I can talk about. I love classic horror literature, sure,
1136
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.360
and I hadn't read that one yet. It was a
1137
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:20.360
blind spot for me and it was fantastic.
1138
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:25.360
Okay, So yeah, do you know the author? I have
1139
01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:31.320
it right here, by Robert W. Chambers. Oh wow, that's
1140
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:32.480
a great cover.
1141
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:34.519
Isn't it awesome? Also, the pages are all yellow.
1142
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:37.440
Oh okay, Wow, it's fantastic.
1143
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:39.840
Now, I will say The King and Yellow is actually
1144
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.239
part of a larger anthology of stories that he wrote,
1145
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:43.719
most of which are not horror.
1146
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:48.840
This compilation is just the horror stories. Cool, excellent.
1147
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:54.000
This is the Pushkin Press edition. Highly recommend, really really
1148
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:56.679
great book. If you like horror and like old school
1149
01:01:56.719 --> 01:01:58.440
gothic horror, it's It's the Bomb.
1150
01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:01.480
Okay, maybe else there. I haven't really read a lot
1151
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:04.360
so of cosmic horror. I do read a lot by
1152
01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:05.599
that necessarily horror.
1153
01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:07.599
Yeah, I mean it's got some parts. You know, it
1154
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:08.920
was written a long time ago, and there are some
1155
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:10.519
parts that I read that I was like you but like,
1156
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:13.760
you know, okay, well thematically like like for like the
1157
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:14.960
influence it's had on horror.
1158
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:19.000
It was really cool, sweet Okay. For his final meal,
1159
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:23.599
John Wayne Gacy picked KFC chicken, shrimp, and strawberries for
1160
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:27.880
your final meal before being executed. What would you pick? Ooh,
1161
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:36.079
great question. I would pick sushi.
1162
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:44.119
I would pick uh crunchy shrimp temporal roles as well
1163
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:48.760
as one eel roll and a couple tuner roles.
1164
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:52.760
I love Soshi's great. Yeah.
1165
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:55.320
So I was just a lot of sushi because that
1166
01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:57.039
would be very full, very comfortable.
1167
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:03.480
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, and eating to drink dessert with sushi.
1168
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:08.400
Uh, probably like a white wine. Actually, okay, no, no,
1169
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:12.199
I'm changing my answer. I can change my Yeah, I
1170
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:16.280
would eat steak up, which is a French style of
1171
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:19.440
making a filet with like a cream sauce and a
1172
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:24.119
really really strong red wine and mashed potatoes and green beans.
1173
01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:26.320
That would be my final meal. That sounds awesome.
1174
01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:33.559
And dessert, uh, the most the richest devil's food fudge
1175
01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:35.280
cake you could possibly find me.
1176
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:43.320
I love it. Okay, that's awesome, perfect answer. Okay, final question,
1177
01:03:44.119 --> 01:03:51.639
Can art go too far? No? No? No, okay, that's it. Yeah,
1178
01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:54.960
you're That's the shortest answer I've gotten about this. So
1179
01:03:55.039 --> 01:04:00.159
I really appreciate that because it usually okay, I can
1180
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.280
give you a long lay answer. Oh yeah, cooler answer
1181
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:06.239
is no, and it is my honest answer. So yeah,
1182
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:09.719
because I think I think it makes sense because most
1183
01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:12.800
people have a very long winded way of just saying
1184
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:16.239
that if it goes too far, it's not art, do
1185
01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:16.880
you know what I mean?
1186
01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:20.280
I would disagree with that statement entirely. Oh okay, really,
1187
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:23.679
it's still it's art you don't like. But still I
1188
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:25.519
have art that I've watched it I think goes too
1189
01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:27.440
far that I hate, But I would.
1190
01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:31.079
Never say it's not art. Oh okay, there fair, I think.
1191
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:34.639
I think what people are referring to in those examples
1192
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:38.000
are more like cs A M I think is the
1193
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:42.440
acronym hmmm, do you know what I mean? Like? Because
1194
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:45.800
that's we can all that's like objectively Like, I guess
1195
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:50.559
here's my thing. I know morale that if somebody makes
1196
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:55.280
something and they call it art, it is art. Yeah.
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It might be art that you hate, It might be
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art that you think is morally objectionable, okay, and it
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might be art that even makes you think that person
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is a bad person for having made it. Those are
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all valid points, those are all feelings I've held.
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Yeah, but it's still art, okay. So can art go
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too far? No? Because art inherently is art. Okay.
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Now, again, that's not me saying I don't think art
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is ever too much, but art.
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No, No, art can't go too far? Okay, I like it. No,
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I like that. There's conviction to that. So yeah, I
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appreciate that, and as the conviction I see in all
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your work and in our discussion today, Carson, it's been
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amazing chatting with you. Thank you so much for having Yeah,
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thank you. So now you have to go to work,
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so yeah, I gotta go work. I gotta sell T shirts.
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That's gonna be fun though, Okay, cool, cool.
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Yeah, the like the big like festival where I live.
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I live, they have, like you know, every town has
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like their town festival.
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Yeah, that's going on right now.
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So we're like, are we super busy and super fun?
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It would be a good day. Okay. Cool? And when
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you get home you can watch Kenneth Thanker on Yes, yeah, yeah, ok,
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thank you so much. You've talked soon.
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Thank you, m M.
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