Split Your Head - Season 4 - Episode 60 - Interview with Robbie Smith (I Don't Like It Here)

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Ever have that one movie everyone assumes you've seen, but
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you haven't? You know, the one, the classic, the cult favorite,
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the how have you not seen that movie? Welcome to
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the Shameless Picture Show. Twice a month, I sit down
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with a guest who finally cross one of those films
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off our shame lists. Sometimes it's their first watch and
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sometimes it's mine, but sometimes it's new for both of us.
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Then we die the characters, the craft, the cultural impact,
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and whether it actually lives up to the hype. From
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legendary classics to cult oddities to the films we somehow
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missed along the way. Join us as we turn movie
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shame into movie discussion. This is the Shameless Pick Your Show.
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Hello, and welcome to Split Your Head. I'm your host, Bob,
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and today's special guest is a horror filmmaker by the
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name of Robbie Smith. Robbie has been pushing out some
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of the most unique indie horror flicks the past decade,
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with his most recent one, I Don't Like You Here,
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premiering on screen Box just a day.
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Before we recorded this episode.
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How would I describe Robbie's approach to horror filmmaking as
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punk rock as it is postmodern, and as sophisticated as
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it is. A primal scream I Don't Like You here
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really jolted my senses as it morphed from a moody,
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mumblecore drama with hints of horror to a full blown
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true crime mock doc. Some of the most terrifying and
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bizarre sequences seen it quite some time. In short, it's
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a banger, and I'm soaked to have Robbie on to
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talk about this ferocious flick and what else he has
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in store for us. Robbie, thank you so much for
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coming on.
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How are you doing good? Thank you very much. That
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was a beautiful, very kind intro. Thank you buds.
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Oh well, you know your film and it split my head,
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you know I did. I did, honestly love it. I'm
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not being facetious or anything, but yeah. So it's it's
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been out for a day now on screen box. What's
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the reception been like so far?
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It's been interesting. I live in a bubble with lighterbox,
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so like, okay, what's on there is what that's reality
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to me?
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Okay?
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As I watch like and I'm a glutton for punishment.
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Like I watch reviews and like I don't like reply
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to them or anything like that, but I love reading
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what people think good or bad. And yeah, so that's
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Mike boom. Oh sorry, no, no, that was actually a
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cool sound effect.
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So okay, So then what are the what are the
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bad reviews saying? Is are you seeing like a pattern
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ory thing?
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I read one this morning that was just like, I
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don't know if you need the documentary portion the acting
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and script is bad. Oh okay, But then you always
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read not that, I'm you always read their other reviews
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or you look at what what else they like, and
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you're like, oh, this just was not for you.
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That's yeah, that's.
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All it was.
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I mean, I think it is very much for like
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the modern horror fan, because I think horror fans now
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in twenty twenty six and we were kind of talking
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about this bere we're recording, like horror fans now are
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a lot more open minded and kind of like craving
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these like new ideas, you know, and I think, like,
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I don't like it.
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Here has such a.
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Unique formal switch up to it, you know, something that
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like I was thinking about this, you know, as as
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I was preparing for this interview, like it kind of
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goes all the way back from me to like watching
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From Dustill Dawn when I was a kid.
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Of like when a film.
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Just completely changes and switches on you, you know, that's
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it's done in such an exciting way.
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You know, that's funny. Yeah, I've been thinking a lot
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about From dust Till Don for some weird reason, but
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I had never thought about that, that that little switch up.
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Yeah, well it's I mean, it's not like super uncommon,
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but I've never seen a film that starts as a
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narrative and then turns into a fake documentary.
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You know, have you come across anything like that before?
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Somebody had brought up a friend of mine, Russell the
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Legend into Boggy Creek, which I have not seen. Apparently
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that's like an early in world camera cryptid film. I'm
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not sure I need to need to revisit it or
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need to see it, but yeah, somebody and then you know,
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he also compared it to the Town That Dreaded Sundown,
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which which kind of.
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Has oh yeah, yeah, okay, I could definitely see that.
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Although with that film, it's more it doesn't really do
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like a for like have you seen it right?
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Yeah?
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Yeah, It's not like a complete like formal switch. It's
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more like the form the entire time is sort of
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yea combining both they.
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Have the narrator and all that going on.
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Right, So is that something that you always knew you
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wanted to do with this project? Like even before you
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started writing the script, you were like, I want to
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do a like narrative that turns into a documentary or
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did that kind of come about like as you're writing it?
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Yeah, that was always the goal that the aforementioned Russell.
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He works for a or He founded a found footage
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film festival out in San Francisco called Unnamed Footage Festival.
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And since I had met them, their whole crew, I
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had been making these small found footage style short films
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just to get stuff onto a theater screen so I
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could watch it, because you know, I know, I knew
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I had an inn and so I was like, okay,
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I'll just make these things and we're friends and I
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know I can make you know something good enough, So
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I would do that. Every year. It was just like, well,
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I need to make a short for us. And when
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it came to making this, when it came to I
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don't like it here. One of the financiers or producers
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is heavily involved in that festival as well, and I was.
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I was already very inspired by the found footage thing.
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I love found footage, especially when it's good. I even
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love bad found footage. So the goal was to do that,
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to infuse like an in world camera vibe to this
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the entire time. And I I was kind of scared
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to do that whole formal switch up thing, but I
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think it worked.
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And Uhliah, yeah, yeah, why were you scared?
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I don't know, because it's a different world. You know,
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I love you know, you've seen grieve. You know, I
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love just long, you know, I love being artsy. And
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with found footage, that's a little tough just in terms
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of like, you know, yeah, it's hard to explain, you know,
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because you're you have a very a set a set
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these very set parameters that you have to stick to,
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that you can toe the line of and all of that.
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So I think I did kind of cheat with the
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whole faux doc thing, but I did infuse some of
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that classic like directional lighting found footage that you can
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see in almost every found footage from What.
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Do you mean you cheated?
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You know, I don't know, you know, because I wanted
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the goal from the beginning was like this is an
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unnamed footage, unnamed footage festival film, just in terms of
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like I want to make something for them that isn't
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completely outside of my wheelhouse. So sure, you know, the
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book ends of the film are very much you know,
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traditional narrative filmmaking with you know, YadA YadA, and then
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the center of the film, as you've mentioned, is a
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very like it's phodoc, it's it's found footage, it's it's this,
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it's that, it's like calls over screen, you know, a
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lot rescue nine one one. So, I mean, I guess
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I didn't cheat, but you know, I don't know. I
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just did everything I could to get into this festival.
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Oh interesting, I mean, I don't think that that's that weird.
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And this is going to be like such a pretentious comparison,
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but it's like kind of like a Dogma ninety five thing,
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you know, like like applying very rigid like rules that
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you have to follow, you know, but at the same time,
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like even the Dogmen ninety five films, all those directors
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broke all of them, you know, And I think that
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I think that's just sort of like a natural part
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of making art in a way, is like you always
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have like a plan in mind, and then you always
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have to kind of break one aspect or two aspects
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of it in order for it to become like really great,
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you know.
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Mm hmm. Yeah, it's funny you mentioned Docmen ninety five,
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like that is a big goal of mine, is to
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create a one of those and just just put it
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out on YouTube or something like that. Okay, and I
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planned it's kind of a secret, but not anymore, I guess.
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But I'm gonna try to make one during the filming
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of my next project as like a little side thing.
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Okay, huh, sort of like like behind the scenes kind
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of footage will be turned into that.
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No, no, I'm gonna try to make two movies at once.
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It's gonna be simple. It's it's probably a bad idea,
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but I just figured there's so much opportunity because it's funny,
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like you'll go to a location down here in Augusta
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and like or some of the locations I've been mapping
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out for this new one, and it's like right next
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door is an equally worthwhile location. So if I can
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just like, because I'm going to shoot the dog ninety
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five to one with a real camera, a real camera,
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and the other one found footage of course, with DV
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and high eight and all that stuff. But yeah, I
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was just thinking as I was putting this other one together,
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I was like, why not?
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So can I ask or please?
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This is a question or a suggestion. It's kind of controversial.
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I may I may be overstepping a bit here would be.
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And I even have an example that could work as
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a metaphor foris okay with me? What if there was
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a way for you to to combine both of the
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best elements of these two films to make one incredible film.
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And I'm gonna use the example. You know the band Converge, right, yeah, okay,
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So they just released the second of two albums this year. Right,
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you've heard about, like, I don't know if you've been
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following them, like they released I.
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Don't keep up ever since, Like you fail me, I've
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probably fallen off.
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Okay, I can.
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I can appreciate that they've kind of lost me as
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well over the years. But this year they put out
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Love is Not Enough and then they just recently released
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hum have Heard, And the consensus between my friends and
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I and a lot of other reviewers I've seen is
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why didn't they just take the best songs of both
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albums and put them together for one incredible album?
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And I think that's.
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Maybe coming to mind here is like it would that
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be totally out of question for you, Like I don't
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even know these id but like I'm actually making.
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If this is too much, you can cut it or whatever.
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But with the found footage film, it's a very brutal
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I guess I would call it extreme horre. It's a
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lot of torture, but it's it's two serial killers find
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one another in this town. Like they've been operating congruently
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for some time, you know, very different kill styles, all
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that stuff, But they find each other eventually, and they
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start to exchange tapes without really knowing one another, and
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they become, you know, kind of fans of one another's work,
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and they fall in love to a certain extent. And
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with them with the Dogma one, I just wanted to
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do like a not a gummost more like not even
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slacker because I don't really like slacker, but just a
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very you know, kind of molasses paced, something wild that
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happens midway through and changes the whole thing, which is
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like seems to be my thing right now. But yeah,
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two very different films, but I like where your head's at,
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because you know, they could melt into one another in
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terms of universe. Yeah, but in my mind, you know,
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with the other one, I kind of try as hard
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as as possible to do that on VHS camera or super.
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Eight, the Dogma one will be the Dogma one.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I know it can it
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can only be location sound it can only be a
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soundtrack that is happening diegetically correct. And then so yeah,
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that's that's the goal, is to just be able to
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like shoot this stuff or have the actors shoot that stuff,
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and then turn around myself with the eight milimeter camera
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and the sound guy and just shoot something very small
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right there. You know, I don't know, it's it's still
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ruminating in here.
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It would be cool maybe if there's a scene that
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that is like the same scene in both films, you know,
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where like they all end up at the same diner
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together or something, you know that, Yeah, that would be
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cool where it's like the world's overlap.
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Big time I love Yeah, yeah, big time.
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And in a way, it sounds like both films could
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kind of mirror each other each other thematically Big Time Yeah,
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which was kind of your you're saying that you're kind
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of like aiming for that, right, and it's so it
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sounds like it's kind of to do with uh love.
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It big time. Yeah. Yeah, it's an analogy or something.
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It's it's it's based on a past relationship.
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So yeah, okay, for sure, like processing like a breakup
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kind of thing.
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Big Time. Yeah. Yeah. There's a fun scene, you know,
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based on a past past guest that you had. We
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have a scene in a movie theater where they're showing
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one of Dawson's movies. Oh cool, So that should be fun,
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a nice little layering there, yeah. Yeah, And hopefully we're
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going to try to get him in the audience, which
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should be interesting as well.
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Oh can he turn around be like you shut the
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fuck up?
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Yeah exactly, that'd be great.
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You should.
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I don't know if he's mentioned this to you, like
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his idea of doing the straight edge film, but I
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feel like you should. You should have a part in
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that somehow or help him out.
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Oh, I would love to I've been trying to get
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him to cast me in something for very long, okay,
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because I love acting and I would love to just
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be in a awesome maybe like I don't know, let
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myself go wild.
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I don't know right right, Well, from what I understand,
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you've got some of his regulars in your next film
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that you're putting out Ripple in a Pond of Blood.
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Yes, sir, yeah, yeah, yeah, how did that? Almost all
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of them? Yeah? I have Mike, Mike Miller, Jordan Acosta,
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and uh Alexa Brisco. I'm just a huge fan of
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his films. So I was like, you know, in this film,
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there are some there's a very small found footage portion
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or like peppered found footage moments of like townspeople reacting
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to the strange, like cosmic things that are going on.
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And so after COVID you I don't know why I
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never thought of it prior to that, but it's like
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you can just ask people to do webcam things from
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across the the country, you know. So I've never met Mike,
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I've never met oh, I have met Jordan, and so
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I was like, I love these dudes. I would love
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to have them do something in this so you know,
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once we were finished shooting Ripple, I was like, well,
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can you shoot you know, like a webcam style thing
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for this, you know, doing a story of of what's
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going on in town, you know, just like anyone does
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on Instagram where you know, you saw a shooting or
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something like that, you got on your live and you
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got on there and you were like, look, this happened,
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this happened. So yeah, and they're fantastic in it, Mike
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in particular. Everyone's fantastic, but Mike in particular blew me away,
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just like how they delivered the lines.
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Well, I was, I was like, reading up about what
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the film is about. I understand the trailers out to
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watch that. It's seems like it's kind of maybe tapping
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into like some similar sort of fears that you're tapping
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into with I don't like it here, you know, which
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is sort of like almost like cosmic war. That's like
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kind of hard to explain, you.
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Know, Yeah, I mean it is that. That's my favorite
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thing is cosmic wor. I'm not a huge HP Lovecraft
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And we were talking before we recorded about being bigger
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fans of of the cover than the original and oh okay,
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I really enjoy people doing lovecraft rather than Lovecraft himself,
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you know, like Stephen King doing lovecraft or Brian Evererson
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doing lovecraft, or like weird fiction or so yeah, I'm
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I'm I love that stuff. It's just like the unknown
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creeping in on the known. It's one of my favorite things.
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Yeah yeah, or like in the Mouth of Madness to me,
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is like a perfect example of that, because there's sort
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of something about it that feels like metaphorical in a way,
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you know, like it's these creatures are sort of the
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manifestation of like your most existential like fears, you.
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Know, right, Yeah, yeah, it could be political. I haven't
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thought too deeply about it.
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Oh yeah, I guess so. I feel like almost in
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like a environmental way maybe like to do it what's
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going on, you know environmentally, I feel like this this
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whole thing with AI, you know, and like data centers
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and everything, and like people having people getting these like
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hallucinations and becoming you know, psychotic from it. Like someone
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should be putting out like an amazing cosmic horror film
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that taps into that a little bit, you.
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Know, from what I understand, that's what's happening in like literature.
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There's a lot of like really cool eco horror going on. Okay,
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I only know of like Jeff Vandermere, who did like
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Annihilation and that Border trilogy. I haven't really delved into
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the whole eco horror thing going right now, but from
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what I understand, that's that's really popping off, which makes
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a lot of sense as we cook here.
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Yeah, I are.
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Would you say like books are kind of a big
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inspiration for you for your films?
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Huge?
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Yeah?
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Yeah, I read? I read constantly.
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Yeah yeah, nice. Nice.
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What are like some of the books that influenced I
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don't like it here.
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Gosh, I'm a huge Stephen King fan. Really Okay, so
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you know like Towns, Towns Falling Apart, you know a
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lot of needful things, or you know any number of
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his books or all of Castle Rock and all that. Yeah,
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huge Stephen King fan. Gosh, yeah, there's there's a few. Yeah.
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I wouldn't have thought that just but just because like
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the film deals so much with like because of the
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true crime kind of format, I felt like maybe you
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were more influenced by like you know, documentaries or fake
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documentaries or things like that, you know what I mean,
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Like I think I mentioned in my review The Poughkeepsie Tapes,
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which it did just.
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Sort of kind of mirror a little bit in a way.
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Yeah, I admire that film.
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I don't like it, Okay, so I have I have
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the opposite, where like, I love that film and I
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find it one of the scariest films I've ever seen.
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Oh I do, I do actually think it's kind of
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a bad movie.
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Yeah, oh really, yeah, yeah I am. I admire the
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gall behind it, but I've only seen it once too,
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and I think I saw it after so many years
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of like, this is the gnarliest thing in the world,
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blah blah blah, and then you watch it after seeing
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you know, any number of things, and it's like, well,
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this isn't that bad. Of course it was bad for
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like audiences that stumbled upon it in the in the
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short theater life that it was in. But yeah, those
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those students did Devil right, the the Elevator one. The
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Elevator one.
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I didn't. I didn't see that.
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I thought it was like a show, really, And honestly,
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I'm not a Nicemalan.
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Fan, dude, It's funny. I'm a huge fan of that
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Devil movie.
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Okay, Okay, maybe I should give it a chance.
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You should. I mean it is produced by Shyamalan, but
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almost the entire film takes place in an elevator, so
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like there is some like flashes out to some ship
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going on with some detectives and all that. But yeah,
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it's impressive for like, you know, a four wall movie,
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like what is essentially a chamber piece with like what
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is it like five to six people stuck in like
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an high rise elevator.
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Okay, are there creatures?
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No? No, it's it's it's very strange. It's like a
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what is it? It's like a game of Clue in
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an elevator where it's like, I don't know, it's strange.
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Yeah.
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To explain my, uh my introduction to Pokisie tapes, I
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had never heard of it ever before, and I used
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to rent from this old video store in Toronto called
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the Suspect video that I don't know if you're do
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you know that band Cursed? I think they're called Oh yeah.
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The singer Chris Kalowen used to work at Suspect. Super
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nice guy, super nice guy. Every time I go in,
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he'd be like, oh, hey, how's it going? And he
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was like, you know, what movie always scared me? And
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I watched it. I watched it in the wintertime of
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blah blah, and he pulled up with Keepsie tapes. He's like,
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I don't know what it is about this, but I'd
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never heard of it before. So I rented it and
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it scared me so bad that I actually like I
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had it for a week, right, And I watched it
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again three or four days later to be like, Okay,
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I need to like get this out of my brain.
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I'm gonna try to desensitize myself to it. And I
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watched it again and it was just like, no, it
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didn't work. Back to spare one, like I was having
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trouble sleeping.
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It fucked me up.
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Wow, yeah, I don't so I understand if if you
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knew how gnarly it was, it wouldn't have that much
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of an effect on you. But I wasn't expecting that.
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And there's like I would say, like three sequences and
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that that to me are just like the film as
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a whole is kind of trash, but there's like three
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sequences that I think they nailed so sure, And that
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brings me to ask you about because your film isn't
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trash at all, But you definitely have a handful of
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these like sequences in it that are just very They're
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just like almost like there's one shot of someone just
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like walking and being like like making a like weird
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cooing sound, and that freaked me out, Like how did
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you come up with that? Is that something that you
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like test out different sounds? Like did you know you wanted?
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Oh?
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I just want this shot of like a cooing sound,
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And it's it's terrifying.
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That stuff like affects me big time as well, just
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like anytime I've seen like directional lighting and somebody just
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even just walking around no sound, even if it's just
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you know, footfall in a forest, still it affects me
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big time with other found footage films good or bad.
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And I was just like I need to have that
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as well. And that's me, by the way, making okay sense.
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And a lot of this film, especially in the middle portion,
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was created after was done in post because I just
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kept thinking of things that those shots. The filming of
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that scene was done during production, but I just had
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this big bank of stuff that I was like, Okay,
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when you get to this point, you're going to create
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it out of you know, that wasn't in the script, right,
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So like when I got to that middle portion and
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started to go through all of that red footage, I
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was just like, Okay, now you need to create these
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stories for some of the characters that you've put on
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on on screen. Like there's that drippy guy. We called
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him Comeboy all all through uh production, that's supposed to
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be comeboy behind the camera looking for somebody? Kay yeah,
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and yeah, yeah yeah.
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What about the the designs of like I guess the
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villains for lack of a better word, you know, they
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they did kind of bring to mind like Mandy maybe
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almost like mad Max to some extent, but like way scarier.
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And you could even like a little bit of like
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an S and M quality too, you know, there is
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sort of like a psychosexual thing, like how did you
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kind of come up with that?
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So with you can kind of see him there there's
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the wicker one right there. It's like a code type
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thing that was really inspired by like Asian cinema, Like
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uh oh, okay, there's a lot of I can't not
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off it's funny. Off the top of my head, I
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can only think of an Italian film, The Church by
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Mi KOs Wave. I don't know if you've seen that one.
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It opens with a like a circle, it's like a
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flat wicker mask as they watched the village be torn apart.
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So that was a huge inspiration. And then there are
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a lot of Asian films with like these wicker masks,
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Like a lot of the time they're just like circular
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or flat or they do these wild things. And then
484
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:31.559
there's you know, like kill List where they're more like
485
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:38.720
full corey made of hay and things like that. So
486
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:45.279
those were a huge inspiration on wicker Boy. Comeboy was
487
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:49.079
just like it's the same thing as the finger Mask,
488
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:53.799
where it's just like I do love like s and
489
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:59.839
m culture and like leather and like yeah, you know,
490
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:07.039
especially like late eighties, early nineties like gay culture and
491
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.480
like just like leather daddies and shit like that. I
492
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:16.759
love like the aesthetic of that. So that that I
493
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:21.720
worked with our special effects person Kate on creating that
494
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:26.759
whole leather thing just in terms of like Mandy is
495
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:34.519
like a huge subconscious inspiration, but also Hell Raiser just
496
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:37.799
in terms of like all of their stitching and like
497
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:42.519
and then of course the the you know, like but
498
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:45.200
then Mandy does that same thing in terms of like
499
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:50.480
the there's that one creature with all the protruding things.
500
00:30:50.519 --> 00:31:00.160
So yeah, it's yeah BDSM Leather Daddies Japanese and I'm
501
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.960
a full core all went into it for sure.
502
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:07.400
Yeah, yeah, I'm curious about these Japanese films. I understand
503
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.240
that you're you're drawing a blank on it, but are
504
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:14.359
these like were they like older, like like before the
505
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:15.440
sixties or something.
506
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:17.039
Are they more recent films?
507
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:23.440
Possibly? Yeah, it's funny. I have probably like this Aaros
508
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:23.960
and Hell book.
509
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.000
Oh yeah, I've got to gear.
510
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:28.880
I'm sure if I looked through this, I could find
511
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:36.000
something there. But it's just always like if it if
512
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:39.039
I did see it, it would be like something that
513
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.839
happened very quickly, just like with the Church, like that
514
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.279
happens in the first five minutes where you're like, but
515
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.599
it's so affecting in terms of like visuals that you're like, oh,
516
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.599
I held onto that for so long because prior to
517
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.200
making I don't like it here, I hadn't seen the
518
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.279
Church since like twenty thirteen, I think it was. I
519
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.039
just remember that the time and situation so well, so
520
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.160
like for that to live in my head for that
521
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:11.000
long and then to see the church post making that
522
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:15.039
film and be like, oh, that's where I got it from.
523
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.200
It's just things like that, And now you know, I
524
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:22.960
also can't deny like the whole like plague mask aesthetic
525
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:30.200
of that whole cone thing, like yeah, it's like a
526
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.839
long beak like thing. But in the film, he is
527
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:43.680
siphoning blood from his penis into the mask, and to me,
528
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:50.079
it's like like a strange yeah, cleaning process for this
529
00:32:50.240 --> 00:33:01.440
blood that oh I didn't know, Yeah, right, He's cleaning
530
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:05.599
the blood for it to go into another being that
531
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:08.160
is discovered at the end of the film. I don't know.
532
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:11.279
I mean, I want to ask you this, but I
533
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:13.200
want to be careful because like I don't want to
534
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:17.119
spoil anything, because I actually do think your film is spoilable,
535
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.920
which is kind of a I feel like I always
536
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.960
talked to like directors on this show where it's like
537
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:24.880
I don't know if he can really spoil your film,
538
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.440
But this is like there is a clear reveal in
539
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.319
a way. But I'm just curious, like, was there ever
540
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.039
a point of you, like working on the script or
541
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.480
work in the film where you almost like didn't want
542
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.480
to reveal what was going on? Like you just wanted
543
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:41.319
to leave it sort of like more open ended.
544
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:48.359
That's always the goal, honestly, Okay, I don't. I mean,
545
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:53.480
I love story, you know, I love narrative, but any
546
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:58.319
chance I can get to throw that to the wayside
547
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:04.200
or get experimental and only hint at certain things is yeah.
548
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:10.639
I love that, and and and prefer films like that. Yeah,
549
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.159
I like I love stuff where it's just like, here's
550
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.559
what we're giving you figure it out, like in the
551
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:21.280
in the whatever you come up with, is that's it,
552
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.360
you know, like it doesn't matter, like of course David
553
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:26.840
lanch where it's just like he gives you all the pieces,
554
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:29.280
you figure it out. He's not going to explain a
555
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:30.039
goddamn thing.
556
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:31.159
So mm hmm.
557
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:34.880
That's my favorite kind of filmmaking. And you said you
558
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:41.400
mentioned Mandy. You know that that filmmaker Panos Cosmados, he
559
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:45.880
always mentions something called like the tyranny of narrative, and
560
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:49.960
I love that, just like, you know, what, fuck narratives.
561
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:53.360
Something you give them just enough for this film to
562
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:58.599
like air quotes, make money or to be seen or whatever,
563
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.760
but also fucking narrative, you know.
564
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.480
Yeah, well, you know I think I was mentioning this
565
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:09.440
to you in our messages before recording. How like I
566
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.599
saw that you edit all your own films, and you know,
567
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.880
I think for people that like do edit their own films,
568
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.119
there's this act of like you're almost like kind of
569
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:23.239
sculpting something more and sculpting more of like an experience,
570
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.000
you know, And that's that makes me think a lot
571
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.440
about like how sometimes for a film, it's like you
572
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.519
want sort of like more of this, for lack of
573
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:36.719
a better word, like textural kind of coherence, you know,
574
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:41.760
like a textural journey as opposed to like a sound plot,
575
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:43.920
you know what I mean, like something that's like a
576
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:47.440
neat synopsis where it's like you're adding in sort of
577
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:51.400
like flourishes of style or like you know, editing things
578
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:55.679
to be longer or shorter because they kind of that
579
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:59.480
feels more of like this continuous like complete sentence to
580
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:05.199
you than the actual like neat plot. You know. So
581
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.199
I feel like your films kind of tap into that
582
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:11.920
as well, you know, like because you do edit them yourselves,
583
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:15.320
you know, with yourself. I should say, so, yeah, I
584
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.079
just I don't. I don't know if that's something that
585
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:21.559
you if that makes sense that I'm explaining.
586
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:23.840
Are you that's kind of where you're coming from.
587
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:27.880
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, And and texture is the key
588
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:33.840
word for sure. I like things to feel like you
589
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:39.639
can feel them exactly. And yeah, like editing, I like,
590
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.639
at the beginning, I was like, fuck this shit, I
591
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.480
need an editor. I need like, I need somebody to
592
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.039
do this. But then after doing Grieve, I was like,
593
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.039
no one else can do this but me, Like, yeah,
594
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.239
I would love someone to edit my trailers in the future.
595
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.280
But in terms of like editing the films, I'm like,
596
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:03.159
they're never going to be They're never going to turn
597
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:07.159
out the way that I want them unless I'm the
598
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:11.320
one facilitating that and ushering them from point A to
599
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:15.119
point B. As I learn more and more, I'm like, oh, dude,
600
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:18.639
I'm an editor now. Like at the beginning in like
601
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:22.840
twenty twenty two, I was just like, I'm a fucking amateur.
602
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:23.599
I don't know.
603
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:24.159
You know.
604
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:26.320
Of course, you know, Greeve is full of a lot
605
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:28.519
of like long shots, so that was kind of a
606
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:33.480
nice introduction to where I was just like, well, I
607
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.800
love slow cinema. I love you know, there's like a
608
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.679
three and a half minute sunset or sunrise in that film,
609
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:44.039
or just like, no one's gonna let me have this
610
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:47.320
sort of thing, or or somebody's going to argue with me,
611
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:53.000
or you know whatever about X, Y and Z when
612
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:56.760
I try to implement you know, three and a half
613
00:37:56.760 --> 00:38:00.280
minute sunrise or you know. So I'm just like, you
614
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:03.079
know what this is, you know, you are your own.
615
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:06.880
I don't know how to articulate it, really, but yeah,
616
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:11.440
I just cannot imagine anyone else. And I almost think
617
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:15.199
I would get I'm very very collaborative when it comes
618
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.960
to films, but when it comes to editing, I cannot
619
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.559
imagine you know, going back and forth with somebody, even
620
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.880
you know, some of my closest peers or collaborators, and
621
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:31.639
like thinking that they would get or turn out or
622
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:37.480
or turn in something that would come out the way
623
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.599
I might do it, you know, because it's all in there,
624
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.280
you know, and and it's it's it's very hard to
625
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:48.679
put all of that on the page, you know, and
626
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:51.239
and have somebody like be like, Okay, this is what
627
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:55.599
you mean. So yeah, yeah, I think editing is paramount
628
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.480
to whatever the hell it is I'm doing.
629
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.079
M No, it makes a less sense. It's actually reminding
630
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:07.320
me a long time ago. I want to say, two
631
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:12.719
thousand and five, I got to see a like live
632
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:17.000
Q and A with Harmony Kurrin done by I think
633
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:20.920
it was Bruce La Bruce interviewing him. Yeah, he made
634
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:23.719
up this. He said this whole point about editing. How
635
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:26.599
he's like, I don't understand any filmmaker that could just
636
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.440
give up their film to another editor, you know, like
637
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.360
I don't know if he if he solely does editing
638
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.440
for all his films, but I think he has a
639
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:35.559
huge hand in it, you know.
640
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:41.039
And oh no, sorry, Harmony Harmony krem Yeah. Yeah.
641
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:43.840
And to kind of like add on to that, I've
642
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:48.199
been seeing a lot more discourse about how people are
643
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:51.880
discovering a lot of the great like male filmmakers of
644
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:55.280
the past, like Martin Scorcese for instance, behind every one
645
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:56.599
of them exactly.
646
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:56.960
Yeah.
647
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:58.960
So Patton Oswald had like.
648
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.880
A really good bit of at it where he was
649
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:05.119
like saying, how like the director goes and films a
650
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:08.320
ton of bullshit and then the female editor comes along.
651
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:10.960
It's like, okay, honey, here's your juice.
652
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:11.599
I don't know if you.
653
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.800
Saw him this bit that's so good.
654
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.719
Yeah, She's like, let me figure this out, and I'll
655
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.599
make the film, you know. And I think that maybe
656
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:24.920
maybe going forward, people will start to see that more
657
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:28.559
of like how like a film is really made in
658
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:29.519
the editing.
659
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:30.039
Process, you know.
660
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:33.519
And yeah, it just makes a lot of sense to
661
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:36.880
me that, like it's it's the arrangement of everything, you know.
662
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.480
And like, as you said, Robbie, like you can't write
663
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:44.199
on a piece of paper make a three minute long sunset,
664
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.639
because also a three and a half minute long sunset,
665
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:48.880
cause like you probably didn't make it three and a
666
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:51.360
half minutes, it was probably like three minutes and twenty
667
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:54.360
two seconds in like a millisecond, you know, because you
668
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:57.280
felt that as you were editing, you were like here,
669
00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.280
you know what I mean, Like you felt like this
670
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.559
is an I think that that's something you can't explain,
671
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:05.719
you know, like you have to do that in a
672
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.679
tactile way. You in front of the computer, whatever the
673
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:12.239
module is you use edit like you feel those changes,
674
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.159
you know, that's where the the thing comes out.
675
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:18.920
So big time. Yeah, it is all about feeling like
676
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.039
and that that's exactly what it is. I don't understand
677
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:29.440
any filmmaker that does not edit themselves because I feel
678
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.400
like at that point, it's like, well, then you need
679
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.280
to give that other person a director of credit because
680
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:38.639
like even if they're not on the ground like during
681
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:42.679
production and all that, Like You're right, like the editor
682
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.079
is just as important of a job as as being
683
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:49.320
the director. So like, yeah, with Martin scores as a
684
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.679
to me, I mean, he's a brilliant filmmaker, but m
685
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.840
Thelma Schumacher deserves just as much of the credit. And
686
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.920
then you I don't remember her name, but the Quentin
687
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:06.480
Tarantino oh collaborator as well, you know who I think
688
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.880
fell off after pulp fiction. It's like, well that's obvious,
689
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:14.599
like the woman who was who was editing it priors,
690
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.480
just like you can feel them in the room, you
691
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:21.840
can feel them making decisions and then post their work
692
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.559
with them. I'm just like, well you feel the absence.
693
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:31.840
So yeah, anybody who especially in genre filmmaking, I think
694
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:35.159
it's kind of a cop out not to edit it yourself,
695
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.480
because dude, we have everything these days, you know, like
696
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:44.400
I'm poor as fuck, but I have Premiere, I have
697
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:50.960
a PC, and I have everything I need to figure
698
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:56.400
that out or facilitate an edit suite. And I think
699
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:58.880
a lot of people that don't do that are either
700
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:06.639
skin aired or lazy, or they just or it's an
701
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:11.519
antiquated like view of filmmaking where it's just like, you know,
702
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.519
you see these the rise of all these YouTube filmmakers,
703
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.880
and there's a reason for that because they did everything
704
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.519
you know, they did you know, they did their own lighting,
705
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:22.800
they did you know, their own sound, they did their
706
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:26.000
own you know, camera work to a certain extent, and
707
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:29.280
then they probably you know, hired on people or or
708
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.639
had peers or friends come in and all that. But
709
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:36.119
it's the same thing with filmmaking. Like I can't imagine that,
710
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:37.840
I don't know off the top of my head, but
711
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:41.840
like Brian Pollin, like I guarantee he films, he edits
712
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:46.400
his own films, or like Joe Meredith or somebody like that,
713
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:50.960
you know, Anthony Leroy or you know, yeah, David Dawson.
714
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:53.599
David Dawson fucking edits his own films. And it's like,
715
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.199
how else are you going to get Bone Barrel or
716
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:02.960
or Flash Care or some of those films without editing
717
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:06.400
those yourself and shooting them yourselves, which is even cooler.
718
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:10.960
So yeah, something that I've come to learn about Brian
719
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:16.320
Pollen is that he actually doesn't like fully write scripts.
720
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.880
Oh yeah, so he just does like an outline or something.
721
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:20.559
I think.
722
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So.
723
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I've actually been.
724
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Working on an article on him for a magazine and
725
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:30.159
he he mentioned how, like I think it was in
726
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Bone Sickness, how he got like halfway through the film
727
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:36.440
and was like, yeah, I don't I think I'm good,
728
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:38.800
you know, and just was like I'll figure it out
729
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:39.719
from here now.
730
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:40.480
Yeah.
731
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Yeah.
732
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:44.800
And I think that's interesting because it starts to go
733
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.639
into sort of what we've been talking about of like
734
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:52.360
the tyranny of the narrative, you know, and sort of
735
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:55.519
like finessing and editing and going off instinct, you know.
736
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:58.719
And I mean, this is something that's really interested in me,
737
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.519
is the idea of like filmmakers that don't work with scripts,
738
00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:06.679
and like there's genre Lynne and like Gaspar Noe and
739
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:11.599
other filmmakers like that, where they they they have either
740
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:14.320
like a loose outline or they start with the script
741
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:17.519
and then they get rid of it, you know, which
742
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.639
I mean I'm realizing, like you haven't really gone that route,
743
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.320
but I think Get This Ripple is done without a script.
744
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:31.760
Yeah, oh okay, okay, there's like a twenty page outline
745
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:37.480
for Ripple. Okay, I was super inspired by this filmmaker.
746
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:45.119
Pete O's never heard very micro budget. He kind of
747
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:48.559
broke out on the scene in like twenty twenty three.
748
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.480
I think it was with He had been making some
749
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:56.320
pretty cool stuff with like larger actors, but he broke
750
00:45:56.360 --> 00:46:05.239
out with Jethica. It's like a very strange mumbocore ghost film.
751
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:08.199
And I had heard him talking about it on a
752
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:13.559
couple of podcasts and how he had written it with
753
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.559
everybody that was involved with the productions. But the production
754
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.440
was six people including actors, so it's like three actors,
755
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:28.639
him as cinematographer, a sound guy, and maybe one other person.
756
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.039
And they went out there with an idea and then
757
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.639
wrote it every day, like so before they started the
758
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:37.920
day of shooting, they would start, they would come up
759
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:43.280
with ideas and just figure it out. And in that
760
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:47.480
same podcast, he had mentioned how he had shot it
761
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:54.519
with a hacked cannon, like so there's a Canon five
762
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:58.079
D Mark three that came out in twenty twelve, so
763
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:03.119
that that only shoots tenny right, but with a hack
764
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:08.280
called magic Lantern that you could update the firmware with,
765
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:13.519
you can shoot raw with that that consumer camera, like
766
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:17.599
this very base consumer camera. So you get these you know,
767
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:21.119
decent lenses, which I think the most I spent on
768
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:24.000
a lens was like fifty dollars or something like that.
769
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:28.840
Sin a lenses too, But you get this camera, this
770
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:35.440
like very consumer shitty by today's standards, and you hack it,
771
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.280
you update the firmware, and you can shoot raw. You
772
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.639
can shoot four K essentially with that fit with that
773
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:45.639
camera and spend nothing. So with Ripple, I was like, okay,
774
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:49.880
I'm going to write you know, something like a ten
775
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:56.519
page something beyond an outline, but like, you know, something
776
00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:00.360
with lines and all that stuff, and then when we
777
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.239
get out there, everything will be thrown to the wind.
778
00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:06.440
We'll throw those pages to the wind. Everybody knows what
779
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:12.519
is supposed to happen. Okay, the ABC that will act one, two,
780
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:16.039
and three, and then we'll just figure it out from
781
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.440
there in you know, ten days out in like the
782
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:24.679
California desert. And we did that and then it's I mean,
783
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.480
I don't like it. Hears out now and I'm supposed
784
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.159
to be like, oh watch it, you know, but Ripple
785
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.679
is my favorite movie that I've made, and yeah, just
786
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:40.679
like it's the purest vision in terms of like what's
787
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:45.159
in my brain Okay, that I've created so far, So
788
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.880
I'm really really excited for people to see it.
789
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.119
Yeah, I mean, that's that's interesting to me because Grieve
790
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:56.280
felt like it was such a personal film for you.
791
00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:59.639
But I could see how you like had took a
792
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:03.199
big leap with the next film. You know, I don't
793
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:05.719
like it here. So now you're saying that the most
794
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:11.039
recent one is even more to what you are feeling
795
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:14.159
inside and everything. But would you say that people watching
796
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:16.519
it might find it to be like a personal film?
797
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:23.039
I don't think so Grieve. You're correct with Grieve in
798
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:28.039
terms of like that is my my body and soul. Okay,
799
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.000
it is a it's a morning film. And you said
800
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:36.440
Primal Scream earlier, that's like for me that film is
801
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:39.079
is that for me? Like it's it's not you know,
802
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:43.679
it's more of almost like a tone poem, and like
803
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.320
it is what's inside of me. In terms of like
804
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.320
I fucking love Sean Talkerman, I love you know, slow cinema.
805
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:56.239
I love you know, like Creeping Dread, Allah Kyoshi Kiarra
806
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:59.880
Sawa and shit like that, and like that movie and
807
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.039
terms of like these very long shots of somebody just
808
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:06.079
reading a book or or or you know, like we
809
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:10.119
were talking about the sun rising or that's my favorite
810
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:15.920
shit ever. But I also realized that right now, if
811
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:18.360
I want people to watch my movies, I can't just
812
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:22.559
keep doing that. There will come a day when I
813
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:26.159
just you know, I don't think I'll ever wander completely
814
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:31.760
outside of horror or genre, but I would love to
815
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:40.159
make a drama someday, like a straightforward just like European
816
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:47.239
art house drama or something like that. Something, but yes, exactly, yeah,
817
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:51.280
with like almost it's funny, like did you ever see
818
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:55.639
that Andrew Haig film forty five years? I think it
819
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:56.159
was with.
820
00:50:57.639 --> 00:50:59.119
Is is It? That's?
821
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.679
Is that the one about like the old married couple
822
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:06.079
and the husband gets like a letter from a girlfriend
823
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.119
that like disappeared or something like that.
824
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:10.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
825
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:11.559
Yeah I did see that one.
826
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:17.400
Yeah, And there's a very light supernatural undercurrent to it,
827
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:22.320
and then there is a very debatable ghost that appears.
828
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:25.000
Maybe I didn't.
829
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:32.000
Whoops. One of my favorite filmmakers, Andrew Haig. Okay, he
830
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:35.000
did The Fantastic Weekend. I don't know if you've ever
831
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:35.599
seen that one.
832
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:38.360
No, but I wanted to, because that's sort of like
833
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:40.800
a like a gay murder mystery or something.
834
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:45.400
There's no murder, it's it's just a beautiful meeting of
835
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.400
two souls kind of like, you know, two very different
836
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.559
souls and one hat, you know, both with different trajectories
837
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.239
and like trying to come to terms. It's like a
838
00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:58.440
one night stand thing that becomes like that much more.
839
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:03.360
It's giving me goosebumps because it seeds so hard. Dude,
840
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:07.800
it's a fantastic film, but no, no genre elements whatsoever.
841
00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:14.519
Some really beautiful like dreamlike photography here and there, but yeah,
842
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:19.320
no genre elements. Andrew Haig, I don't think he's ever
843
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.159
I think only forty five years is when he's like
844
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:24.480
and like you said, you didn't even pick up on it,
845
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:27.199
but I don't. I don't think he's ever dabbled in
846
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:28.199
the supernatural.
847
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:33.679
Okay for grieve? Were you were you mourning a death
848
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:34.800
in your own life?
849
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.119
Yeah, my buddy, I've talked about it enough to where
850
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:42.559
I can talk about it pretty candidly. But a friend
851
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:47.119
of mine took his own life a couple of years
852
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:51.639
prior and that film. It's funny, like I get so
853
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:54.159
much shit. Well, not so much shit. The film hasn't
854
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:58.760
even been seen much, but about using the wife or
855
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:02.599
like the girlfriend as like a as like the tool
856
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:06.320
for exploring grief, where it's like it didn't need to
857
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:09.400
be a woman, and YadA, YadA, YadA. But it was
858
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:11.920
coming to terms with that, and in my own way,
859
00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:17.960
I wrote that film. I made a Stephen king Dollar
860
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.079
baby short film in twenty twenty and then you know
861
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:24.159
what happened, Fucking COVID hit and we were all stuck
862
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:29.760
inside and his name was Josh. That was still going
863
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:33.280
on in my brain, especially during COVID, when you know,
864
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:36.199
there were people dying, there were people, you know, suffering,
865
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.239
all that stuff where it's just like huh, like what,
866
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:42.960
because I was still wrestling with what made him do it?
867
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.039
Like he left a note that I won't share, but
868
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:53.679
the ambiguity of that note and just the sureheadedness of
869
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:58.320
it was just like, that's too too cut and dry
870
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:02.800
for me. So in my brain, of course, you know,
871
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:06.840
I have a huge imagination. I'm like, what else caused that,
872
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.679
you know, other than these real world things that I
873
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:16.119
know we're knocking at his door and causing him pain
874
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:18.360
and things like that. So I of course, you know,
875
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:26.880
made this very like fantastical, you know, trauma horror movie
876
00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:31.199
about it, But I tried to do something a little
877
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:34.480
more poetic and just like Leave put a lot of
878
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:41.880
my thoughts and ruminations on loss in that film in
879
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:49.400
terms of like hushed dialogue and voiceover and things like that. Yeah,
880
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:53.679
and I love Josh, you know, in the film it's
881
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:55.920
more of a romantic thing. But I don't think. I
882
00:54:55.960 --> 00:55:00.719
think once you're you know, you've entered like deep friendships
883
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:04.840
with people, whether there's you know, whether you're kissing each
884
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:09.599
other or not, that it does enter a certain you know,
885
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:12.800
it enters it goes from a friendship to a relationship.
886
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:13.079
You know.
887
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:17.000
You know, you have these hushed conversations in the dark,
888
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:21.360
and it becomes something beyond a friendship. And when you
889
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.519
lose those people, you know, it's the same as losing
890
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:30.519
family or somebody that you truly loved and in a
891
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.760
romantic way. So yeah, losing him, it was just like
892
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.119
I had never had a friend. I had lost a
893
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.920
lot of friends to you know, drug use and things
894
00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:46.519
like where it was not their decision to a certain point.
895
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:51.119
So to have you know, Josh take his own life
896
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:57.079
and to be so sure of it at the time,
897
00:55:58.000 --> 00:55:59.920
I was just like, wow, I need to explore that,
898
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:04.519
and yeah, yeah, that's that's that's how I got there.
899
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:07.280
Yeah, yeah, No, thank you for sharing all that. I
900
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:08.000
appreciate that.
901
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:13.880
It's interesting that that like the choice for grief to
902
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:18.679
make it on a romantic relationship. I find that that's
903
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:22.800
maybe a little bit easier to kind of explain the
904
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:23.679
grief to people.
905
00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:26.400
And it does kind of make sense.
906
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:28.760
And like not to go to into detail about this,
907
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:31.800
because this interview is about you, not me, but I
908
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:35.920
did like lose I did lose my father in twenty twenty,
909
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:40.119
kind of by suicide as well. He was like mentally
910
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:44.400
ill and he had a manic episode and he basically
911
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:47.480
like drove his car at top speed into a wall
912
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:49.880
and into his own life. So he didn't leave a
913
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:52.400
note or anything, but it didn't feel like it was
914
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:57.000
one hundred percent like he was in his own mind
915
00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:00.199
doing it, if that makes sense. But I I do
916
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:03.519
remember when I was grieving it, like shortly after it happened,
917
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.360
that I was having a lot of weird dreams about
918
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:10.719
like losing my wife and yeah, and I think that
919
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:15.559
it has something to do with separation anxiety, and how like,
920
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:18.719
I don't think I was able to access that as
921
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:22.239
because I had, you know, grown into my own person
922
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:25.599
and I can't access those feelings with my own father.
923
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:29.039
But it felt like my mind needed to process that, right,
924
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.920
I needed to grieve, And that's part of grieving is
925
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:35.639
like you know, you kind of come into feelings of separation, separation,
926
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:39.199
anxiety that you're not predicting, you know. And so I
927
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:41.480
think that it does make sense then with grief that
928
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:45.119
you chose to make it a romantic relationship, because there
929
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:47.599
is something a little more tangible and a little bit
930
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:51.400
easier to articulate about grieving when it is a romantic.
931
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:52.440
Partner, do you know what I mean?
932
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:56.400
Yeah? First, yeah, sorry to hear it, did that's fucking
933
00:57:56.639 --> 00:58:03.440
I'm sorry. Yeah. I think it's also easier for shorthand
934
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:07.320
just in terms of like you know exactly, I think
935
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:10.480
a lot more people understand losing a spouse or like
936
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:17.239
a family member than It's funny, like, I'm sure you're
937
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:20.960
not this way, but like, I have no trouble telling
938
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:26.599
a friend I love you, right, But I think a
939
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:30.800
lot of people do in terms of, like, you know,
940
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:35.559
just a close friendship, especially males or men. They're just
941
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:39.960
terrified of intimacy. So if that movie was one hundred
942
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:42.760
percent from my core, if I did make a movie
943
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:46.519
about somebody losing a spouse, it should have been gay.
944
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:52.920
I am not queer, but I I almost relate to
945
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:57.559
queer relationships more than I do hetero. So I don't
946
00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.880
know how to explain that, but just something about it
947
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:03.559
seems more beautiful to me. It might just be the
948
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:07.840
the hallmark nature of hetero relationships and things shit like that,
949
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:12.559
but something about queer relationships feel more real to me,
950
00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:17.280
like at this point. So if Greeve really came from
951
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:20.400
the core, I should have made it there. But I
952
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:24.760
think as a first feature, while I did put a
953
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:27.639
lot of myself on screen in terms of style and
954
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:32.800
feelings and what was coming from inside, Like I do
955
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:37.079
think I was a little frightened of like really putting
956
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:42.159
everything on there, I would have put longer shots. I
957
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:46.039
would have made the film, you know, a little more morose,
958
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:53.119
more upsetting, you know. So yeah, but I'm still very
959
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:55.440
very proud of that film. But I told when I
960
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:58.440
watch it back, I'm like, something in it is not
961
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:03.159
true to me. That's been something I've been chasing since then,
962
01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:06.679
is like I can't be scared. I can't be like
963
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:12.880
frightened of putting you know, longer shots or certain relationships
964
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:18.320
and things like that. Yeah, this whole thing has been
965
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:22.159
fascinating just in terms of like coming out of my
966
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:27.599
shell and like being like literally frightened of what people
967
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:29.719
might think if I put it on screen.
968
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:34.440
So yeah, yeah, Well it makes sense though, because I
969
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.320
think probably where you were at in terms of your
970
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.320
own grieving, in terms of your own growth when you
971
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:44.480
made Grieve, you probably like, as you said, we're terrified
972
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.199
of like putting it all out there, you know, and
973
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:51.360
like making it about a queer relationship, you know. So
974
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:55.559
it seems like something you can really say wholeheartedly, only
975
01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:59.599
in hindsight, because after making the film and putting it
976
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:03.199
out there and now making other films, like, you've grown
977
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:05.480
so much to say, like, no, this would have been
978
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:08.599
the truest story that I could have told. You had
979
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:10.800
no idea you could have told that back then, though,
980
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:12.920
I don't think you know, or maybe you did.
981
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:19.280
Yeah, I was frightened to even have the suicide or
982
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:23.039
like the self harm stuff in there. I would have
983
01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:29.639
explored that even further, but especially back then. I don't
984
01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:32.880
know what it was. It just felt so taboo, and
985
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:40.000
I was like, because I romanticize that stuff big time.
986
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:43.159
I know I shouldn't, but.
987
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:48.800
Okay, but here's a question to ask you, because you're
988
01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:51.679
making me think of something that David Dawson and I
989
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:55.480
were talking about with Zebra, Who's how when he made
990
01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:59.519
that film he felt like because he puts so much
991
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:02.400
of himself off into it, he thought like, why aren't
992
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:06.559
I healed now after making it? And maybe but maybe,
993
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:08.719
like to be real, like that was kind of what
994
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:10.880
you're expecting. You're like, I'm going to make grief and
995
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:13.960
then I'm going to feel better, and then you realize, actually,
996
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:17.280
I don't feel better from making this art, you know,
997
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:19.440
And maybe that's what Maybe that's why you're looking back
998
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:21.440
and saying, maybe if I did more of this or
999
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:23.360
I lean more into that, like I could have been
1000
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:26.719
more healed from it. And maybe art's just not supposed
1001
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:28.920
to do that fully for people.
1002
01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:36.559
Oh you know, I don't expect anything, Bob, especially from art.
1003
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:37.519
Yeah.
1004
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:40.159
Yeah, I'm learning more and more. I mean I've always
1005
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:43.719
had this eat those, but I don't expect a goddamn
1006
01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:48.039
thing anymore. One to keep myself safe. But also, like
1007
01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:54.960
with art, I just and this is gonna sound pretentious
1008
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:59.880
as fuck, I just puke it, dude. I'm just trying
1009
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:05.320
to like get something out because if I don't, I'm
1010
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.599
just gonna be so unhappy. Like, you know, I'm not
1011
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:10.800
the happiest person already, but if I kept that stuff in,
1012
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:14.840
I would just be so unhappy. Like I have to
1013
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:18.440
make it. And now that like the ball is rolling
1014
01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:22.039
on it, and like I'm really making stuff like kind
1015
01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:25.679
of quickly, like I feel some sort of healing, but
1016
01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:30.800
I don't. I don't expect to ever get better. I
1017
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:35.320
think that's more of like a something else because I
1018
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.480
can paint and draw and make movies. I can write
1019
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:41.519
until the cows come home. Yeah, and it does take
1020
01:03:41.559 --> 01:03:44.719
your mind to another place, but I think it's all
1021
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:49.000
very temporary. It's like masturbation or you know, eating a
1022
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:52.440
Sunday or something like that. It's like, listen, it's gonna
1023
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:56.079
be great right now, but yeah, shit for you later.
1024
01:03:56.199 --> 01:03:56.400
You know.
1025
01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:01.400
I feel like maybe a hinder way of putting is
1026
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.920
like you're healing, but you're not healed from it, you know,
1027
01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:10.400
like it will never be completely healed up, right, you know,
1028
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:13.840
but like every time you're doing it or every time
1029
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:15.079
you're working on art.
1030
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:17.400
You are, you feel like you're healing, you know. I
1031
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:18.559
guess it's to me.
1032
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:20.360
It makes me think about it because I've been thinking
1033
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:22.800
about this a lot lately. Is the idea of like
1034
01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:26.960
licking your wounds, you know, and like as an artist,
1035
01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:31.079
like you know, it gets a point where like how
1036
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:34.320
do you know when to stop? How much is too much?
1037
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:36.880
How much is not enough? You know, the licking of
1038
01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:40.519
the wounds of like your past? Right, So, I don't
1039
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:43.639
know maybe, and it's weird because like your films, like,
1040
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:47.360
I don't like it here. I don't see necessarily like
1041
01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:50.559
any sense of you like healing from doing that, right
1042
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:53.000
because it doesn't. It doesn't seem to tap into like
1043
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:57.679
at least at least directly, like any kind of inner turmoil.
1044
01:04:57.760 --> 01:04:59.960
But you, the act of you doing it, I think
1045
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:03.280
is probably healing you, maybe just as much as grieve,
1046
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:06.320
did you know, because you are like continuously creating and
1047
01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:09.199
like fulfilling yourself big time.
1048
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:13.239
Yeah, I don't like it here. It does explore some things,
1049
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:16.320
It just it's me trying to make sense of things,
1050
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:20.880
I guess. But no, there is I think that is
1051
01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:26.400
more artistic gratification, and that's just that's just as that
1052
01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:30.440
type of healing and that type of the catharsis that
1053
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:34.239
comes from artistic gratification is the exact same as as
1054
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:38.280
the whole woundlink wound looking thing. They're like, I think
1055
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:42.039
it's kind of a seesaw to where yeah, one is
1056
01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:45.239
like self serving. Well I guess they're both self serving.
1057
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:50.880
But yeah, that's a fascinating thing you bring up, and
1058
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:53.719
I'm gonna be thinking about that for sure, but yeah,
1059
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:55.960
I don't like it. Here is very much just like
1060
01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:59.679
let me make something that I would want to look at,
1061
01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:04.039
you know, and with the story and and and all
1062
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:07.639
of that stuff, it does touch on certain things where
1063
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:11.679
I'm trying to like, you know, when I don't want
1064
01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:16.079
to it's not at all about cancel culture, right, but
1065
01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:21.480
it could when is forgiveness given and and like I
1066
01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:24.280
don't know, like there is a certain element of that
1067
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:29.320
there where it's just like, I don't know, I don't
1068
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:32.320
want to even get into that, but okay, just in
1069
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:37.079
terms of like condemnation of you know, whether it be
1070
01:06:37.199 --> 01:06:41.800
small town condemnation or or or cancel culture or whatever
1071
01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.519
it is, it's like when is that? When is anything ever?
1072
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:49.519
You know, when do we analyze the condemnation of individuals?
1073
01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:56.159
But yeah, that's that's a whole other can of worms. Yeah,
1074
01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:58.679
and then with with It's funny With Ripple, I go
1075
01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:02.760
right back to, Uh, there is an element of loss
1076
01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:06.199
in that film that like hangs over it the entire time.
1077
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:11.920
It is way more there's far more of an audience pleaser,
1078
01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:14.159
I suppose you would say, in terms of like the
1079
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:19.559
editing and music and the violence and all that stuff.
1080
01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:22.159
But there is like a very you know, a couple
1081
01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:28.920
of good sixty second scenes of somebody sitting there looking
1082
01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:29.840
at something, you know.
1083
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:33.440
So yeah, yeah, huh where did you get your inspiration
1084
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:33.920
for that?
1085
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:34.320
Then?
1086
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:36.960
Like, you know, the more extreme horror stuff are there
1087
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:39.880
are certain directors or films that you're kind of pulling from.
1088
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:45.239
I had always been into it when I was younger,
1089
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:49.280
you know, downloading, you know, the Guinea Pig films and
1090
01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:53.199
stuff like that. I was super into it when I
1091
01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:56.599
was a kid, you know, and real real murder, real
1092
01:07:56.639 --> 01:07:59.760
torture back then as well, you know, like Cartel VIDs,
1093
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:06.960
like you know, the classic what was it three h Yeah, yeah, yeah,
1094
01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:10.639
you already know that's the one that broke me, so
1095
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:13.840
like same. I saw that and I was like, okay,
1096
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:18.119
time to take a break, and it's funny, that's full circle.
1097
01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:21.000
I watched that with Josh, the guy that Grieve is
1098
01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:25.359
based on Oh wow. We watched that in our in
1099
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.600
his room on his PC. I think it's called three kid,
1100
01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:31.439
three teens, one hammer or something some.
1101
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:36.359
Yeah rush guys, three guys, one screwdriver. I think, yeah, yeah,
1102
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:39.560
jeez yeah.
1103
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:41.039
Because they dig around with the screwdriver.
1104
01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:45.039
Well, when I saw it, and I already regretted watching
1105
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:48.319
it with a friend of mine and we did some
1106
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:51.279
research on it. We like read the Wikipedia page. I
1107
01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:53.920
don't know if you're familiar with the whole story about it,
1108
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:57.920
but the gentleman that they kill was riding a bike.
1109
01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:00.760
He's going on a bike ride because as he just
1110
01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:02.960
found out that he was in remission for cancer and
1111
01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:04.000
wanted to celebrate it.
1112
01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:07.920
Jesus fun yeah Christ so fuck.
1113
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:11.600
When I read that right after seeing the video, I
1114
01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:18.640
was like, I think I'm actually good for violence for
1115
01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:19.399
a year.
1116
01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:21.680
Maybe like it.
1117
01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:21.960
Was just.
1118
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:29.880
You know, yeah, I just it's uh, but what's interesting
1119
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:30.479
about that?
1120
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:31.800
And I, you know, I don't want to go on
1121
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:35.119
a big tangent, like in another direction. It like those
1122
01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:40.199
three murders didn't know that, they wouldn't have known that
1123
01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:42.520
they picked the guy at random. You know who knows
1124
01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:46.760
that information? All the people that watched the video now
1125
01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:49.000
and looked it up, do you know what I mean?
1126
01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:51.560
And so it's sort of like it's sort of an
1127
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:55.680
evil that's inflicted on us, only us, because we just
1128
01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:59.000
we just took part in exploiting this person, you know,
1129
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:01.279
and it's sort of of like our curse that we
1130
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:02.000
have to bear.
1131
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:06.560
Right as we're talking about this, I can still hear
1132
01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:12.520
the gurgles like and the sounds, and I'm like, I'll
1133
01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:15.760
never forget that for the rest of my life, Like
1134
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:20.199
like I've seen real, real death and some of those
1135
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:23.920
things I'll probably forget. But being on that PC screen
1136
01:10:24.079 --> 01:10:27.720
in two thousand and nine, in this sunny apartment bedroom,
1137
01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:32.039
watching these kids dig around this poor individual's guts with
1138
01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:35.199
a fucking screwdriver, It's like, yeah, I'll never forget that.
1139
01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:40.560
So wait, we were saying, you said you've seen real death,
1140
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:42.760
like like in real life.
1141
01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:46.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I lived in Oakland for
1142
01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:51.279
a really long time in Oakland California. Yeah, I also
1143
01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:54.720
lived in Santa Cruz, California for a very long time.
1144
01:10:56.079 --> 01:11:00.000
Santa Cruz is one of the scariest places I've been
1145
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:05.000
in my entire life in terms of like overall darkness
1146
01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:10.199
that shroud in trout, like that entire town as like,
1147
01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:14.159
are you aware of Santa Cruz or it's where they
1148
01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:15.880
shot Lost Boys?
1149
01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:18.159
Oh? Okay, okay.
1150
01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:23.119
It's like a famous tourist town with there's like a
1151
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:26.439
it's called the Boardwalk. It's like a small theme park
1152
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:30.399
right on the edge of the ocean. It's like your
1153
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:33.479
classic beach town, but it's kind of in a bubble
1154
01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:37.479
because to get there you have to take a long,
1155
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:43.680
windy highway, either the seventeen from San Jose, which not
1156
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:47.279
everybody can do. You can take a bus, but you know,
1157
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:50.239
and then another highway that goes into it. I think
1158
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:52.800
it's the one fifty two, but to get there you
1159
01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:56.079
have to take one of those two. So it's very
1160
01:11:56.159 --> 01:11:58.880
much you know, you can picture it literally in a
1161
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:02.439
bubble and there's Santa Cruz and then there's like these
1162
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:06.680
kind of like nicer parts of Santa Cruz, like Aptus
1163
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:13.600
and Sokel, but the houseless population there is essentially stuck
1164
01:12:14.039 --> 01:12:19.720
to a certain extent, and then it's like there's I
1165
01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:26.199
don't do you know Ken Bianchi serial killer? Oh no, okay,
1166
01:12:27.319 --> 01:12:31.399
so ken Biyankey and I don't remember his homies name,
1167
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:35.840
but they were prominent serial killers in the seventies and
1168
01:12:36.079 --> 01:12:39.840
early eighties. I'm not completely straight on in the facts,
1169
01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:43.079
but they operated in Santa Cruz for quite some time,
1170
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:49.319
and since then there's just been this like darkness hanging
1171
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:52.119
on that town that you can only see if you
1172
01:12:52.319 --> 01:12:55.319
look and or I guess live there for a certain
1173
01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:58.359
amount of time, and some of the things that I
1174
01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:03.079
saw in Santa Cruz I'll never forget in terms of
1175
01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:09.840
like drug use, violence, the way people treated one another.
1176
01:13:11.479 --> 01:13:15.680
Because it's also a college town, so UCSC is in
1177
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:20.560
the hills there, very popular college, and you can stay
1178
01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:22.960
away from downtown. You can stay away from the scary
1179
01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:26.760
parts if you really want to, but as a poor
1180
01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:33.199
person you can. And I lived right by the boardwalk
1181
01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:37.760
in this place called the Beach Flats, which was at
1182
01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:45.840
the time a poor community, largely Hispanic, a lot of
1183
01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:50.600
gang violence and things like that, and just the convergence
1184
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:56.760
of a tourist attraction like the boardwalk right there, which
1185
01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:59.800
is like you know, John always throw away and this
1186
01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:04.319
community who where you know you could only wear certain
1187
01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:08.279
colors something about that. It was just like oil and
1188
01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:12.760
water and what came from that is blood and just yeah,
1189
01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:17.479
a lot of dark, dark stuff. I only saw a
1190
01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:22.079
couple of really gnarly particular like instances of violence. It
1191
01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:29.920
was more drug use with children and the older individuals
1192
01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:34.279
that would take advantage of those children with those drugs
1193
01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:38.119
and the situations they were in, and you couldn't do
1194
01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:40.920
anything about it, dude, Like, there's what sense would it
1195
01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:44.600
make to stop and be like, hey, buddy, don't do drugs,
1196
01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:49.239
don't take drugs from that person. It's like they're gone, dude,
1197
01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:51.560
Like it's already gone. You're like staring at a corpse
1198
01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:55.760
or you're passing by a corpse already. So it's like, yeah, yeah,
1199
01:14:55.880 --> 01:14:57.279
I don't know how we got into that.
1200
01:14:57.239 --> 01:15:01.640
But no, no, I mean it's it's interesting, and like
1201
01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:04.960
I hope that by me saying this on not being like,
1202
01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:08.439
you know, disrespectful or reductive or anything, but like I
1203
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:12.000
can kind of see how that would cement subconsciously, at.
1204
01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:12.640
Least for you.
1205
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:15.800
The inspiration for I don't like it, here of this
1206
01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:19.199
this town that has a problem, this town that has
1207
01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:21.680
an evil, you know, as opposed to it just being
1208
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:25.359
like one person or even like I mean, I I
1209
01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:28.520
don't want to spoil it, but yeah, there's something. There's
1210
01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:32.520
something sort of happening underneath the surface that can't really
1211
01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:35.720
be situated to just like one person, you.
1212
01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:41.279
Know, right, there's like an evil kind of thrumbing, you know,
1213
01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:45.199
like an evil vibration throughout the town, I guess. And yeah,
1214
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:49.000
that's funny that that is very much Santa Cruz. And
1215
01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:51.800
it is like a kind of like an incestuous bubble
1216
01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:55.680
in terms of like the relationships and things that come
1217
01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:59.560
from living in Santa Cruz for a certain period of time.
1218
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:11.520
And incest is also wow, just connecting all those.
1219
01:16:14.199 --> 01:16:16.640
I'm like, I almost when I asked, like, was that
1220
01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:18.800
always part of the script or did you just feel
1221
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:19.640
like you need.
1222
01:16:19.399 --> 01:16:28.640
To I have a I have a really big, like
1223
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:32.800
half a million dollar incest script I'm trying to make
1224
01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:37.680
but I'll probably never get to make. But yeah, it's
1225
01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:44.159
about yeah, yeah, have you ever read Outer Dark like McCarthy?
1226
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:49.399
No, No, I haven't. No, I've only read one book
1227
01:16:49.399 --> 01:16:49.840
by him.
1228
01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:53.119
I can't. I think it was no, no, it was
1229
01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:57.319
no no. I mean I should have read those.
1230
01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:03.720
It was made a movie Child of God.
1231
01:17:04.359 --> 01:17:05.319
Yeah, I read that one.
1232
01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:07.720
Yeah, Child of God Rules.
1233
01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:08.960
Yeah it was good.
1234
01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:12.640
Yeah. But yeah, you're saying Outer Dark, Yeah yeah.
1235
01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:17.720
Outer Dark is about to a brother and sister who
1236
01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:24.399
accidentally have a child and the brother gets rid of
1237
01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:29.479
the baby. They're like an appellation. It's like, I don't
1238
01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:34.920
remember what the timeframe is. It's early nineteen hundreds, maybe
1239
01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:38.159
the thirties, I don't remember. But the brother gets rid
1240
01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:42.680
of the child. A tinkerer who is kind of like
1241
01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:49.319
a traveling salesman who often stops at their hut, finds
1242
01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:53.640
that child and brings it to a brothel to be
1243
01:17:53.720 --> 01:18:00.800
taken care of. The brother feels bad, feels strange. After
1244
01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:04.920
the after the sister keeps asking about the babe, and
1245
01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:08.159
he goes to find it and it's not where he
1246
01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:11.479
left it. So he's like fuck. So he goes on
1247
01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:15.640
a journey to find that baby, and as he's searching
1248
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:21.680
for the babe, there are these three kind of faceless
1249
01:18:22.479 --> 01:18:29.239
evils looking for that baby as well. And eventually the sister,
1250
01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:32.399
who was kind of out of commission from having the child,
1251
01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:36.199
and all of that wanders from their hut as well
1252
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:38.359
and to go look for the child. So it's a
1253
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:45.239
very like I'm not intelligent enough to go super deep
1254
01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:48.199
into it, but there's a kind of like three Wise
1255
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:53.399
Men thing going on there and some Bible parables going on.
1256
01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:59.600
It's incredible. It's a beautiful book, but that whole incest
1257
01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:04.720
insist the brother and sister having a child.
1258
01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:05.880
Yeah.
1259
01:19:06.520 --> 01:19:11.840
I used as as a modern end of the world
1260
01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:16.399
type thing for a script I have called testament that
1261
01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:21.600
I would love to create. But it it ends with
1262
01:19:21.680 --> 01:19:28.560
like a giant who like shoves people inside of inside
1263
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:32.880
of her to like create sustenance to feed. Like it's oh,
1264
01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:37.680
it's like a very wild cosmic core thing with like
1265
01:19:37.760 --> 01:19:41.079
a lot of like locations, a lot of like groups,
1266
01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:47.000
and like ideally a very large prosthetic giant or like
1267
01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:51.119
practical giant thing that I would I know can be
1268
01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:56.840
made practical because it's not based in reality, and I
1269
01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:59.439
think that like a giant puppet type thing covered in
1270
01:19:59.479 --> 01:20:02.279
goo would be like so grad to do. But yeah,
1271
01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:05.279
that's why like one of my dream projects. But I'm like,
1272
01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:07.840
when am I ever going to get five hundred plus
1273
01:20:07.920 --> 01:20:11.399
thousand dollars to create this like incest horror.
1274
01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:16.800
Well, I mean I wouldn't maybe sell it as.
1275
01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:21.479
An incest horror, sure, you know, like just say like
1276
01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:25.800
it's a parable or something, you know, right, Yeah, I mean,
1277
01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:29.680
in all honesty, like you you seem like you're getting
1278
01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:31.840
better and better with every film, Like I think it's
1279
01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:34.720
reasonable to think that, like you could, you know, within
1280
01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:36.960
the next film, like work your way up more and
1281
01:20:37.000 --> 01:20:39.159
more to getting to do something like that.
1282
01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:46.199
Yeah. Yeah, I do have like mainstream scripts as well
1283
01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:49.720
that I would love to make some day because the
1284
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:51.560
next one's not going to do me any favors.
1285
01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:51.840
Dude.
1286
01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:57.239
Oh wait, the Ripple No, I mean Ripple will, Ripple
1287
01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:00.920
will the one we have planned to shoot in September,
1288
01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:04.560
the one I had mentioned that has a lot more
1289
01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:09.239
torture and the found footage one. Yeah, it's called Crushers,
1290
01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:12.000
and it is not going to do me any favors
1291
01:21:12.039 --> 01:21:16.479
for sure. I think Ripple will move like this figurative
1292
01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:21.920
thing forward, but like, yeah, Crushers won't. For sure. That's
1293
01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:28.199
going to be like very alienating and ugly, ugly shit.
1294
01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:30.760
Yeah yeah, I don't know. I mean there's an audience
1295
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:32.600
for that for sure, sure. Yeah.
1296
01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:37.800
Yeah, more and more so too. I feel like, especially
1297
01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:41.399
with all those I'm not a fan of the terrifier films,
1298
01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:44.960
but especially with those like Moving the Needle Forward just
1299
01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:47.880
a little in terms of like, yeah, what people can
1300
01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:52.880
get behind violence wise, but I think that coming from
1301
01:21:52.920 --> 01:21:57.680
like a wise cracking or like a smiling clown does
1302
01:21:58.039 --> 01:22:01.359
does a lot for it. Whereas you know, yeah, if
1303
01:22:01.359 --> 01:22:04.640
you put some of those audiences in the same situations
1304
01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:08.920
with a gutter person, like, you're not going to get
1305
01:22:08.920 --> 01:22:11.840
the same reaction, you know, like if you have you know,
1306
01:22:12.039 --> 01:22:14.479
just a piece of shit doing it like a regular
1307
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:19.119
human being doing that instead of I don't know, did
1308
01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:20.119
you see Golden Glove?
1309
01:22:21.399 --> 01:22:21.880
I did?
1310
01:22:22.680 --> 01:22:25.600
I love to see. Yeah, that's the vibe I'd love
1311
01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:28.600
to chase in terms of like just like they offer
1312
01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:33.039
you no warmth with that film except for in the comedy. Yeah,
1313
01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:36.359
and I don't know, even the comedy is debatable, you know,
1314
01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:36.920
I don't.
1315
01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:40.600
Know, Yeah, yeah, it kind of It's a little bit
1316
01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:44.239
like I have I guarantee you probably have seen this
1317
01:22:44.319 --> 01:22:48.880
in Love is Angst. Oh Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know
1318
01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:52.279
something like that like that seems up your alley for sure.
1319
01:22:52.680 --> 01:22:53.520
Yeah.
1320
01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:55.720
I felt like the reaction to the Golden Glove was
1321
01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:58.439
a lot harsher than I took it to be.
1322
01:22:59.079 --> 01:22:59.479
I don't know.
1323
01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:02.640
I didn't mind it, like, it didn't mess me up
1324
01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:04.520
at bad. I thought it was just like a really
1325
01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:06.119
good serial killer film.
1326
01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:13.640
I thought it was a fantastic ama leification of the
1327
01:23:13.720 --> 01:23:16.680
serial killer film, where it's just like, okay, wow, it
1328
01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:20.399
feels so tactical, tactile, and it feels so like lived
1329
01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:23.079
in and like like you can breathe it, you can
1330
01:23:23.159 --> 01:23:25.159
touch it, you can smell it, the set design and
1331
01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:28.359
all of that. But then it's just about this reprehensible
1332
01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:32.000
individual who is not pleasant to look at, but he's
1333
01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:37.319
also attractive in a very strange way, because the person
1334
01:23:37.399 --> 01:23:40.600
underneath all of those prosthetics is a very attractive individual
1335
01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:45.560
in life. Yeah, everybody he brings home probably smells bad.
1336
01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:49.000
He probably smells bad. I don't know. Something about the
1337
01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:51.840
aesthetics of that film really took me to another place.
1338
01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:56.199
And I've only seen it that once, but in my
1339
01:23:56.359 --> 01:24:01.239
mind it lives round free and turn of like something
1340
01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:04.960
I'd like to chase. Yeah, where it's like almost like
1341
01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:10.760
a mainstream towing the line of that very ugly nature
1342
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:11.840
of extreme horror.
1343
01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:14.840
Mm okay, Okay, that's what you're saying.
1344
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:21.079
One other movie I would recommend I watched fairly recently Maldurar.
1345
01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:22.279
I think is what it's called. M A L D
1346
01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:23.840
R O R.
1347
01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:25.840
I think that's what it's called. The same director did
1348
01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:28.039
a film called Calvert back in.
1349
01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:29.159
Like, oh I love Calvert.
1350
01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:30.760
Yeah, yeah.
1351
01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:32.760
I revisited Calver and was like, this is great. I
1352
01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:35.199
want to see more by this director. And this is
1353
01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:38.760
his most recent film, and it's like loosely based on
1354
01:24:39.079 --> 01:24:43.000
a true serial killer that happened and I think Belgium
1355
01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:44.479
in the nineties.
1356
01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:46.760
Maybe, Yeah, it was great.
1357
01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:49.039
It was kind of like Zodiac and The Golden Glove,
1358
01:24:49.079 --> 01:24:50.399
I would say combined.
1359
01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:53.560
That's a Fabrice Duettes, right.
1360
01:24:54.079 --> 01:24:54.279
Yeah.
1361
01:24:55.000 --> 01:25:00.199
Yeah. He did a fantastic one called Adoration. Okay, haven't
1362
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:06.279
seen it about two runaway teens. That's a fantastic film.
1363
01:25:07.159 --> 01:25:11.520
He did a really good one called Allelujah as well. Okay,
1364
01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:14.039
but I hadn't even heard of that one, so I'm
1365
01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:18.680
excited to see that. Yes, his style, his like strange
1366
01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:23.680
art house style and the bleeding in of genre elements
1367
01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:26.680
and things like that, is I really enjoy that filmmaker.
1368
01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:31.479
Yeah, I definitely want to check out Adoration and Allelujah,
1369
01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:33.680
like I've heard of them, but I just haven't gotten
1370
01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:37.279
around to it yet. But Maldar, I think it hasn't
1371
01:25:37.479 --> 01:25:41.119
gotten like the most wide distribution yet. I think I
1372
01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:45.359
rented it off Apple or something like cool. I think, yeah,
1373
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:47.800
I'll seek it out February. Yeah, you'll be able to
1374
01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:50.840
find it. But anyways, we are approaching almost like an
1375
01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:53.760
hour and a half. I could talk to you honestly
1376
01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:56.600
all day, Robbie. You're a fascinating guy and been a
1377
01:25:56.600 --> 01:25:59.640
great chat. But yeah, if it's okay, we should wrap
1378
01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:03.159
it up, so move on to the questionnaire. But yeah,
1379
01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:06.000
I just want to ask and so right now I don't.
1380
01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:08.399
Like you here. You can stream it on screen box.
1381
01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:11.600
Your next film, Ripple in a Pond, A Ripple in
1382
01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:15.319
a Pond of Blood? When is that going to be
1383
01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:15.840
coming out?
1384
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:19.479
Do you think I'm going to really try? So we
1385
01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:24.760
lost our composer, which was brutal after thinking he was
1386
01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:28.880
working on it for quite some time, so we've kind
1387
01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:32.039
of pivoted. But it's going really well. I would love
1388
01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:35.479
for it to come out by Halloween. It's not a
1389
01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:40.079
Halloween specific film, but there it does take place during Halloween.
1390
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:44.880
So there's Halloween in the background the entire time. So
1391
01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:51.159
that's the goal. I'm talking to somebody in terms of
1392
01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:55.359
distributor right now. I just need to get our actual
1393
01:26:55.439 --> 01:26:58.359
score on that to show them to have them start
1394
01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:01.600
ushering it forward with paperwork and all that stuff. But
1395
01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:03.199
that's that's the hopes.
1396
01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:07.520
Is Halloween too, Okay, fingers crossed, and yeah you will.
1397
01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:10.319
I mean, if you'd like to, I'd love to have
1398
01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:11.439
you back on so.
1399
01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:13.359
Oh I'd love yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, of course.
1400
01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:16.000
All right, let's do this questionnaire and I'll let you
1401
01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:16.720
get on your way.
1402
01:27:17.159 --> 01:27:20.880
All right. What is one item you can't live without?
1403
01:27:24.039 --> 01:27:24.560
I knew it.
1404
01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:25.720
I knew me.
1405
01:27:25.920 --> 01:27:31.119
Oh no, my cat. Oh okay, my cat Henry. She's thirteen.
1406
01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:34.640
I don't know. I honestly don't know where I'd be
1407
01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:37.960
without her. I would probably more than likely be dead
1408
01:27:38.199 --> 01:27:41.479
if it was not for my cat. I love her
1409
01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:45.880
so much, and like every day I wake up and
1410
01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:50.359
see her, I'm like, that's and so like it's funny,
1411
01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:54.840
like she's thirteen, so it's like and I'm a individual
1412
01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:59.720
who's constantly thinking about death anyway, So I'm like, okay, lately,
1413
01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:01.880
when I wake up and see here. I'm just like,
1414
01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:05.800
this is this is why I live like this. I
1415
01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:09.680
need to treat this into this this creature as as
1416
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:12.319
well as possible. I need to let her know she's loved.
1417
01:28:12.439 --> 01:28:17.920
I need to you know. That's becoming like, yeah, I
1418
01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:19.560
love my cat so much. Yeah.
1419
01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:23.000
Wow, that's awesome. All right.
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01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:26.159
What was the last great movie you saw in theaters?
1421
01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:30.119
Dude? It sucks. I haven't been in a theater in
1422
01:28:30.199 --> 01:28:34.279
a very long time because I live very far from
1423
01:28:34.359 --> 01:28:39.239
him and I don't have a car. Fuck, dude, I
1424
01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:42.439
honestly don't remember the last great movie I saw at
1425
01:28:42.439 --> 01:28:46.119
a theater. So I'm just gonna say a great theater
1426
01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:52.960
experience I had seeing Christoph Kazlowski's Blue in theaters like
1427
01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:56.079
a packed theater, and that was fantastic. Yeah. Nice.
1428
01:28:56.319 --> 01:28:58.560
I still need to see those. So I do I
1429
01:28:58.560 --> 01:29:00.960
start with Blue?
1430
01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:05.520
Oh man? So they all intertwine in some strange way,
1431
01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:08.000
like you'll see like characters in the back. I don't
1432
01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:11.640
remember where you start, but Blue is the absolute best
1433
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in terms of like from beginning to end and how
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it hits you. The others have a degree of comedy
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in them, So I'd say Blue for last just because
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01:29:23.800 --> 01:29:26.640
it's going to be a wallop, or do it first
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01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:30.840
because the others will make you smile, whereas Blue is
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01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:32.119
a little more of a beat down.
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01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:33.920
Okay, sounds good.
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01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:37.600
White is very funny though it's a very funny movie.
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01:29:38.479 --> 01:29:41.239
Okay, I don't really know what to expect, but I
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01:29:41.239 --> 01:29:43.399
think that's probably the ideal way to go into it.
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01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:47.159
Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, what was the last great concert
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01:29:47.199 --> 01:29:47.600
you went to?
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01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:48.800
Maguay?
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01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:50.000
Oh?
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01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:56.880
Nice, Maguay doing the soundtrack or the score for atomic
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01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:06.079
documentary they did on atomic power or nuclear power from
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01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:14.479
beginning to the disastrous present or whatever and everything in between,
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01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:20.279
and they screened the film in the background as they
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01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:23.880
did it, and I did. My friend had a d
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01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:32.680
MT pen like it was DMT and like a vate
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01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:35.039
pen to where you would just hit this thing as
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01:30:35.119 --> 01:30:38.279
hard as possible and you wouldn't break through or whatever.
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01:30:38.319 --> 01:30:40.600
I don't want to get all hippie, but you would
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01:30:40.640 --> 01:30:43.279
get to a certain point and be like whoa shit,
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01:30:43.439 --> 01:30:47.000
hell yeah, and so like he had to leave because
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01:30:47.079 --> 01:30:49.119
he had he was just like I can't handle this.
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01:30:50.479 --> 01:30:54.640
But I I had a blasted which is funny because
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01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:58.039
it's so depressing, like they have like stillborn and like
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01:30:58.039 --> 01:31:01.920
like the effects of radiation on children and stuff like that.
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01:31:02.039 --> 01:31:05.439
I'm just like, whoa. But it's like to this like
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01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:13.159
fucking brutal, like fantastic, heavy post rock. So yeah, yeah.
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01:31:14.039 --> 01:31:18.039
That's a great story. What was the last grade book
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01:31:18.079 --> 01:31:18.439
you read?
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01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:26.520
In The Miso Soup by ryu uh got the fucking
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01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:29.960
what the hell is the guy who did audition and
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01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:37.199
wrote audition? Yeah? Yeah, mirror comic, Ryo comic. Yeah yeah.
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01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:41.920
In the Miso Soup is about a a Japanese guide
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01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:51.479
who like guides Americans through what is essentially the red
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01:31:51.520 --> 01:32:01.720
light district of Japan and the newest American Frank could
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01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:05.239
or could not be And it's funny that I just
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01:32:05.319 --> 01:32:09.760
read this but could or could not be the someone
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01:32:09.760 --> 01:32:19.279
who is killing sex workers throughout Tokyo. So he yeah,
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01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:22.560
it's very it's a it's a it's a brutal book, dude,
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01:32:24.239 --> 01:32:30.319
very upsetting. Oh wow, but fantastic. I love I love Japan,
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01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:31.279
so you know.
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01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:34.560
Yeah, I haven't read any mirror comis, so maybe I
1479
01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:35.479
start with that one.
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01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:38.439
So I don't have the like films that he's based
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01:32:38.479 --> 01:32:39.079
on in.
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01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:42.680
My mind, you know, I think Miso Soup. I think
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01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:47.600
it's the perfect starting point. Yeah cool, it's fantastic.
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01:32:48.319 --> 01:32:49.399
Okay, sounds good.
1485
01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:54.359
Speaking of miso soup for his final meal, John Mangacy
1486
01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:58.079
picked KFC chicken, shrimp and strawberries for your final meal
1487
01:32:58.119 --> 01:32:59.199
before being executed.
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01:32:59.199 --> 01:32:59.840
What would you pick?
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01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:05.039
I'm a huge fan of Panda Express. For some reason,
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01:33:05.680 --> 01:33:08.520
I don't eat meat, so like they don't have a
1491
01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:13.479
lot for me. But their chow made while not real
1492
01:33:13.960 --> 01:33:16.439
chiw Mane because then it would be called low Maine,
1493
01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:21.439
but I love, love love their chiw mane. So probably
1494
01:33:21.479 --> 01:33:25.560
just a giant fucking thing of Panda Express chow Maine. Okay,
1495
01:33:25.560 --> 01:33:28.359
and I don't drink anymore either, but probably a very
1496
01:33:28.439 --> 01:33:29.760
large beer as well.
1497
01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:31.920
Yeah, yeah, sounds good.
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01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:37.000
Any dessert, I'm not a dessert person. I hate sweets
1499
01:33:37.880 --> 01:33:43.119
what crazy, can't stand them. I will be tricked by
1500
01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:46.560
ice cream every once in a while, but I love bitter,
1501
01:33:47.000 --> 01:33:52.000
I love sour. I can't something about sugar must be
1502
01:33:52.039 --> 01:33:54.760
a childhood thing, but I can't stand sweets and candy
1503
01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:55.479
and things like that.
1504
01:33:56.199 --> 01:33:59.640
Wow. Interesting, So chow Maine and a beer.
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01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:08.199
Yeah, chel Maine and a beer, maybe some Rocky Road. Okay,
1506
01:34:08.199 --> 01:34:10.680
that's the ice cream? I go for Yeah, yeah, okay,
1507
01:34:11.439 --> 01:34:12.880
it's a gnarly gnarly pick.
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01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:18.960
It's good, all right. Final question, Robbie, can art go
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01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:19.600
too far?
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01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:28.680
Yes, for sure. I'm a huge separate art from artists person.
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01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:33.920
But there are some instances where, you know, you know,
1512
01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:36.560
slaughter and vomit dolls or something like that. It's just
1513
01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:39.760
like it's like, yeah, that's that's a little much.
1514
01:34:39.800 --> 01:34:40.000
You know.
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01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:43.600
It's funny. I saw those films before knowing about the
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01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:47.960
individual behind them more or the events, but it's like
1517
01:34:49.239 --> 01:34:51.960
you can feel them behind the film. And then really
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01:34:53.840 --> 01:34:59.319
of course, then you think like Bertolucci and the Last
1519
01:34:59.359 --> 01:35:06.119
Tango in Pair, what's his fucking name? Oh, Marlon Brando, Yeah,
1520
01:35:06.199 --> 01:35:10.680
Marlon Brando using the butter and all that. It's like, yeah,
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01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:16.000
art can go too far. So yeah, for sure. But
1522
01:35:16.079 --> 01:35:18.960
I am you know, I don't want to condemn myself
1523
01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:21.920
in any way, but I I'm very punk rock about
1524
01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:25.560
making movies, so I don't I am always thinking about
1525
01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:29.439
actor safety and things like that. But yeah, a lot
1526
01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:31.319
of the time, you know, I'll just be like, let's
1527
01:35:31.359 --> 01:35:33.239
look and go for it, and then I'll need somebody
1528
01:35:33.239 --> 01:35:35.399
to be like, well, that's not too safe, you know,
1529
01:35:37.359 --> 01:35:40.840
there's a stabue scene and I don't like. Yeah, exactly,
1530
01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:43.279
there's a stabbing scene and I don't like it here,
1531
01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:46.840
And we were switching out real knives for for fake
1532
01:35:46.920 --> 01:35:49.479
knives in terms of like a dummy and a real person,
1533
01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:52.159
and there was no way we were ever going to
1534
01:35:52.399 --> 01:35:56.000
use the real knife in with with the real person
1535
01:35:56.079 --> 01:35:59.279
or anything like that. But something I didn't think of
1536
01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:03.279
is the holding or the stuntman holding the knife and
1537
01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:07.760
stabbing it into the dummy and keeping them safe in
1538
01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:12.359
terms of not accidentally stabbing themselves or something like that.
1539
01:36:12.720 --> 01:36:17.399
So I think it was our key grip was like, well, actually,
1540
01:36:17.439 --> 01:36:20.560
let's frame it like this. Let's put a very thick
1541
01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:25.199
blanket over the stuntman's legs and YadA YadA YadA as
1542
01:36:25.239 --> 01:36:27.840
they stab this dummy to bring the blood out. And
1543
01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:31.119
I'm like, I think that's more that that's not me
1544
01:36:31.279 --> 01:36:36.880
being unsafe, but it's more of a technical oversight. So yeah, yeah,
1545
01:36:37.039 --> 01:36:38.760
or can't go too far. Yeah yeah.
1546
01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:42.119
But also I think it's just you know, a sign
1547
01:36:42.159 --> 01:36:45.000
that like film is such a collaborative process and like
1548
01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:47.720
you need you need so many people to be there
1549
01:36:47.760 --> 01:36:50.159
to be like actually think about it like this, It
1550
01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:52.279
might not work that way, you know, that kind of thing,
1551
01:36:52.359 --> 01:36:54.680
so big time. I don't really look at that as
1552
01:36:54.720 --> 01:36:57.119
you like, trying to endanger anyone.
1553
01:36:57.199 --> 01:37:00.560
Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, it still lives in my head.
1554
01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:02.920
Is like, oh, you should have thought about that. But
1555
01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:05.279
it's like one of those lessons learned thing that you'll
1556
01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:06.159
never forget, you.
1557
01:37:06.159 --> 01:37:09.399
Know, right right right, Yeah, I get that. I'll have
1558
01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:11.399
to think about that next time I watch it, and
1559
01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:12.920
there will be a next time because it was a
1560
01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:13.600
great movie.
1561
01:37:14.039 --> 01:37:15.439
So thank you so much.
1562
01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:17.560
Oh, thank you for coming on, Robbie. Was great to
1563
01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:18.239
chat with you.
1564
01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:21.239
And I'm stoked to see I keep get messing it
1565
01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:23.199
up rippling a pond of blood. I think I want
1566
01:37:23.199 --> 01:37:25.840
to keep saying rippling a pool of blood, Ripple a
1567
01:37:25.960 --> 01:37:29.479
pond of blood. Okay, uh yeah, really stoked to see
1568
01:37:29.479 --> 01:37:31.840
that and see all the other projects you've got lined up,
1569
01:37:31.880 --> 01:37:33.239
and you'll definitely be back.
1570
01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:36.359
Thank you very much, Buck, And I'll share a ripple
1571
01:37:36.439 --> 01:37:38.640
with you as soon as I am happy with a cut.
1572
01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:44.079
Okay, amazing, I'll write a review. Hell yeah, okay, all right,
1573
01:37:44.239 --> 01:37:45.880
good talking with the good one.
1574
01:37:46.279 --> 01:37:46.920
You as well.
1575
01:38:34.359 --> 01:38:37.199
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