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My name is Dave Emory, and it's my pleasure to
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be joined by Ed Haslam, the author of Mary Ferry
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and the Monkey Virus, The Story of an underground medical Laboratory,
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published in softcover by The Wordsworth Press, copyright nineteen ninety five.
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Ed, welcome back to our airwaves.
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Thank you.
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We have been discussing events that took place in New
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Orleans and around Tulane Medical School and the Oxner Medical
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Clinic in the nineteen sixties and the early seventies. Alton
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Oxner was one of the most important people in American
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medicine and also a very prominently connected political animal, not
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only in New Orleans but elsewhere. His connections involved some
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extreme right wing and national security connections.
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He also was the head of the.
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Information Council of the Americas, or one of the dominant
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person behind that. That was a right wing propaganda outfit
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with apparent intelligence connections that was involved with helping to
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paint Lee hert Oswald read in the New Orleans area.
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One of his employees, one of his colleagues, i should say,
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at the Oxner Clinic and also at Tulane, although he
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was not with Deulane at that time. Mary Sherman, one
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of the foremost cancer researchers in the United States.
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Was involved in an underground.
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Medical laboratory with David Ferry, a paramilitary right winger involved
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with the intelligence communities efforts against Castro and the major
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initial focal point of Jim Garrison's investigation into President Kennedy's assassination,
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his untimely death, and the murder of the Laddio de Valli.
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His apparent control in the anti Castro effort helped to
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cover that up. We have been speaking about the murder
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of doctor Mary Sherman and the circumstances surrounding that. It
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was bandied about by the press that this was some
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sort of a lesbian quarrel or something like that, and
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in fact that was not the case. We left off
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with that now there was a was there not had
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some superficial mutilation of her genitals, but nothing like what
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they the press made out.
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Well, I think the first thing I want to say
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is if anybody, when people do ask me what the
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book is about, I simply say, it's an investigation of
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the death of Mary Sherman. And it really is what
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the book comes to. It's the major part of the
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investigation Mary Sherman's death was portrayed as a psycho sexual
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slashing and that her body was set on fire, and
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the police, as reported through the newspaper, went on this
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wild goose chase looking for a lesbian slasher, and it
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was they played up that that theme so much. At
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the precinct. Captain complained about the manpower shortage and everything else.
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I mean, that was the whole thrust of their investigation.
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Nobody could get near the files on this This file
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was kept locked in a police officer's desk and it
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was not part of the regular filing system. Thirty years later,
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this while was finally released into the basement of the
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New Orleans Public Library, which is where I found it.
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And when you read the autopsy report and the police
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report of what happened to Mary Sherman, you realize that
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everything they said was a lie. And we start with
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what did happen to Mary Sherman? What did the body
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look like?
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She apparently had a number of very serious and lethal
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stab wounds. So, as I said, the whole lesbian sort
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of homophobic cover up angle came.
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Let me.
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Let me start with the stab wounds, because that's a
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good place to start. The cause of death, as stated
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at the coroner's report, was a stab wound to the heart. Okay.
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This was a precise, now done with a very narrow instrument,
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and she was stabbed exactly and completely perfectly in the
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middle of her heart, and it penetrated that thickest wall,
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the biggest muscle in the heart, the thickest wall, right
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up there in the front, and she hemorrhaged from there.
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She hemorrhaged over a quarter of blood. And that is
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the wound that killed her.
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Every other sad wound on her body did not hemorrhage,
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and that means it was done after death. So the slashing,
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as it's called, was not done when she was alive.
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It was done after her death, and it was done
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in order to create the impression that she had died
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in a psychosexual incident.
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And apparently the inflictor of the fatal hard wound had
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a high degree of medical knowledge.
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He certainly knew how to kill or he or she
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certainly knew how to kill somebody because of the precision
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of that wound. In fact, they didn't even find that
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wound because they lifted up her left breast and did
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it right on the scene where her breast would normally
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hang and went straight in between the fifth and sixth ribs.
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It wasn't until they literally started to take a part
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of her chest cavity in the audio TOPSI that they even
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found the wound. So that was very precise. Whoever did
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it knew what they were doing, but they did it
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for a reason, and that is what the burns indicate.
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Now, when the body was found, there'd been some clothing
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that had been piled on and I believe also under
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the body.
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Instead of fire, that's right.
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It was basically a mattress fire and there had been
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some synthetic clothing on top. The criminologists working for the
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New Orleans Police Department identified the material in the clothing
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and said that that material burst into flames at five
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hundred degrees. That means the temperature in the room was
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less than five hundred degrees because that material did not
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burn complete, it was only partially burned. Also, the curtains
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next to her bed did not burn. Some of the
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furniture in the room was smoldering a little bit, but
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the police who arrived on the scene before the fire
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department got there, did not even report seeing a flame.
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It was all just a smoldering fire of less than
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five hundred degrees. The problem comes in when you analyze
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the body. Mary Sherman's right arm, her right rib cage,
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and the right side of her head was completely burned off,
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totally disintegrated. Now, the temperatures required to burn a bone
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are enormous. In a commercial cremation, a body is put
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into a oven that's two thousand degrees and it stays
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there for two hours, and when they open it up
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there are still bones. Because bones don't burn, they dehydrate,
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and then the mortuary service grinds up the bones and
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makes them into dust. So even the two thousand degrees
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at two hours does not burn a bone. Even guys
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pilots who crash jets and get soaked in jet fuel,
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it burns on thousands of degrees. When they go to
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pick up the wreckage, their bones are still there. Whatever
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hit Mary Sherman on the right arm and took off
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her right arm, her right rib cage with thousands of degrees.
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Now here comes the real interesting point. The easiest thing
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to burn on your entire body is your hair. We've
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all burned hairs on our arms or whatever around the stove, etc.
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They've burned quickly, the low temperatures and everything else. The
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hair on Mary Sherman's head was still there. The hair
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on her body was still there. In relationship to some
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of these burns, the hair was two three inches away
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what could have created thousands of degrees of temperature so
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specifically that it completely burned off and charred and carterized
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her right shoulder area completely destroyed, destroyed and disintegrated all
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the bones in her her hand and arm and ribcage,
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and not burned the hair that was right next to it.
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In attempting to answer that obvious, and I believe you
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did successfully answered. In attempting to answer that obvious and
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massive discrepancy, you came upon a hypothesis which brings us
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back to not only the clandestine laboratory, but Mary Sherman's
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work with David Ferry and ingesting or in injecting mice
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with cancer causing monkey viruses, and in many ways, that's
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discrepancy in her death brings us to some of the
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central points of your narrative.
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There's only really two things that could create the type
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of damage that we saw on Mary Sherman's body. One
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of them is a bolt of lightning or an equivalent
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electrical charge of millions of vaults of electricity or millions
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of watts of electricity hitting her in a blast or
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a bolt and burning off everything in its path and
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the process. One of the curious questions is why is
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it only her arm and head area, and why didn't
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it go all the way down through her body and
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creates more damage in other places. The other thing that
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could have done it would have been a beam of radioactivity,
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and we are familiar with some similar incidents and accidents
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that occurred with certain machinery that created radioactivity. One of
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the pieces of machinery that creates radioactivity is called a
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linear particle accelerator. This is sort of the poor man's
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atom smasher. It is used in well, the most famous
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one today is out in Linda, Lower California, at the
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cancer center out there. It shoots radiation into patients and
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is used to burn their tumors in their A linear
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particle accelerator is of that nineteen sixty four generation was
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a five million watt machine that was fully capable of
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producing either a lightning bolt length spark or a beam
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which could cut anything. I mean, let me just give
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you an illustration of the power of these machines. In
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South Africa, the diamond diamond industry down there, they take
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yellow diamonds, which are regular diamonds with quartz imperfections in them,
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and they put them in front of the beam and
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it strips the quartz out from the middle of the diamond.
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These things are capable of cutting anything because they shoot
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se atomic particles.
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Now you theorize that the accelerator, and we're going to
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update the information that you've developed since your book was published.
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But you theorize about this linear particle accelerator which may
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have been the device which appears to have been the
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device that caused this incredible burning on Barry Sherman as
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having been connected with the work that she may have
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been engaged in in this underground laboratory, namely investigating cancer
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causing viruses.
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Could you tell us a little more about what you
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think was.
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Going on in that laboratory in connection with the accelerator
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and the cancer causing viruses. And we're going to get
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back to not only Mary Sherman's medical work, but the
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formidable efforts of two of her female colleagues, Sarah Stewart,
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and Bernice Eddie also pioneers in this field and also
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sadly overlooked, perhaps because of their gender.
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Okay, let's start with the linear particle accelerator and why
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it was that I brought that into the conjecture of
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what happened to Mary Sherman. First of all, I was
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told in nineteen sixty nine that there was a linear
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particle accelerator in New Orleans which was being used for
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medical research which was not being discussed publicly. And I
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was told that by a Jesuit priest because I attended
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the Jesuit school and he happened to be a physics teacher,
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and we happened to be talking about linear particle particle
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accelerators that day in class when this conversation came up.
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So I had a fairly high level of confidence that
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the Jesuit prix was telling us the truth, and this
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was information he had heard through whatever circles he associated with,
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through his priesthood activities and his teaching physics activities. The question,
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and that raise, is what were they doing with a
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linear particle accelerator that was medical and that was in
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the category of research that they wouldn't want to talk
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about and that raised the possibility that Mary Sherman, if
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she died in proximity to a linear particle accelerator, was
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using that linear particle accelerator in her research. And was
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that research the same research that was involved with David
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Ferry's lab. In other words, was she using a linear
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particle accelerator on monkey viruses to mutate them? Was she
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mutating monkey viruses and then seeing what happened with the
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viruses when they put him into the mice. And that
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was the critical question that I had to find an
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answer to. And that's when we went back to David
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Ferry's treatise, the treatise that was found in his apartment,
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and we trace the whole story back to the National
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Institute of Health and the discovery of cancer causing viruses
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by Mary Sherman's medical school classmate, Sarah Stewart, who was
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working as a researcher for the National Cancer Institute and
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the National Institute of Health. And in nineteen fifty seven,
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excuse me, Sarah Stewart and Bernice Eddie, both of Bernice
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Eddie was the head of the safety testing laboratory. It's
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called Biostandards, but the safety testing laboratory at the National
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Institute of Health, and she and Sarah Stewart proved that
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they found a virus which they named pollyoma, and they
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proved that this virus was capable of causing multiple types
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of cancer in multiple types of animals. And for the
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first time, they proved that viruses were capable of causing
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cancers in mammals. The history of virus in cancer goes
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back all the way to the beginning of the century
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and the research of I'm sorry, I can't take of
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his name at the moment, but he identified the chicken
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sarcoma Peyton Rowse. I'm sorry it was Peyton Rouse in
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nineteen eleven who started this whole theory of viruses were
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capable of causing cancer. But it wasn't until nineteen fifty
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seven when these two researchers of the National Institute of
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Health proved it to the satisfaction of their management, that
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it was taken seriously in projects to further research cancer
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causing viruses were in fact financed by the US government
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through the National Institute of Health. Bernise Eddie is worth
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talking about because when the poly illo vaccine came up
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for distribution, the sulk scene. Originally, at the last minute,
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they brought the salt vaccine into Bernice Eddie to safety test.
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Bernice Eddie had a bunch of monkeys at her disposal,
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and she went and injected them with the salt vaccine
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and the monkeys fell over, dead and crippled on the
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bottom of her cages, of their cages, and Bernice Eddie
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took photographs of them and went to the management of
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the National Institute of Health prior to the release of
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the polio vaccine and showed them these photos, and they
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released it anyway. And when they released it, children died
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and children got paralyzed, just like the monkeys did. And
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the result of that was called the Cutter fiasco because
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Cutter was the lab that made that batch of the vaccine.
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director of the National Institute of Health fired, but the
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Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare who oversaw that department,
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was also fired.
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This was in nineteen fifty five. This occurred Dwight Eisenhower
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was president, Richard Nixon was vice president, there's only two
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people in the government that can fire the Secretary of Health, Education,
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and Welfare, and it's always the vice president's job. For
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the president, I want.
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To do it ms away.
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It was actually Alton Oxner's friend, Richard Nixon, who did
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the firing, and one of Oxner's sons was among the
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early victims of this faulty vaccine.
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Oxner was interested in proving to the public that the
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vaccine was safe, so he injected his own two grandchildren
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with it. His grandson died, his granddaughter got polio from it,
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so he was personally affected by this initial batch of
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the polio vaccine. Richard Nixon was then presented with the
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task of the problem and the Solve vaccine was withdrawn
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and they went with Albert Sabine's vaccine, which did not
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try to kill the poliovirus. Sabine simply isolated of benign
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strain of it, so your body would know that it
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was being invaded by something and would defend against it.
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weak that it couldn't really hurt you. So in nineteen
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fifty seven they went ahead with the second with fifty
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six fifty seven, they went ahead with the second wave
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of polio vaccines with the mass inoculation. Now, the thing
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that most people don't know about the polio vaccine is
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when you have to grow a live poliovirus to use
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in a vaccine, where do you do it. They did
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it on the kidneys of monkeys. And when they took
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the virus, the poliovirus out of the monkey for the vaccine,
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they also took out the other virus is that were
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in the monkeys, and.
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Some of those were apparent cancer causing viruses.
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And that was the discovery this polyoma virus that Stuart
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Netty discovered in fifty seven. Yale labs the next year
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started categorizing all the monkey viruses and they found a
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virus that was identical to polyoma, which was SV forty.
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of the NIH management, started running her own experiments and
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doing her own research. And what she found was cancer
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causing monkey viruses present in the cells of the monkey's
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kidneys upon which the vaccine has grown. And she raised
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the issue, have we just mass inoculated the American public
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with cancer causing monkey viruses? And when I got when
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I got to that point in the research, I said,
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wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait, wait a minute. Minute.
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If that happened, and if Eddie was right, then we
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would be having an epidemic of cancer right now, right now.
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And nobody's talking about an epidemic of cancer right now,
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so it must not have happened, right And then the
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little voice went off in the back of my head
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that said, ed, go check the numbers yourself.
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It's just like that silly notion that there was a
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conspiracy behind Kennedy's assassination. Everybody knows that's not true, and
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you can just check with Gerald Posner that's right.
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And so I went to a medical library. I pulled
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the statistics from the National Cancer Institute for the last
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sixteen years, and I put them on my computer and
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punched the button to make it turn into a graph.
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And they are clearer than I mean, just like sticking
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out like a sore thumb, are four viruses, I mean,
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four cancers which have increased in average of fifty percent
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over that same sixteen year period. Now, the significance of
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that is this, because people are going to say, well,
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there's all this environmental stuff blah blah blah. They track
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thirty seven cancers. Okay. One of them is lung cancer,
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and I'm gonna throw that out just because of the
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cigarette issue. Okay, And then we're talking about four that
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are growing at epidemic proportions. The other thirty two cancers
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over the sixteen year period had a zero percent increase.
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So all of the increase was focused on these four cancers.
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And they're all soft tissue cancers. They are breast and prostate,
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which are both sexual organs. They are skin melanoma of
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the skin, and they are lymphoma. Okay, those four have
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been grown. In fact, you will see Science Magazine published
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an article on breast cancer. They called the rise in
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breast cancer alarming. Now learning is a strange word, I
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mean a strong word for Science magazine. Okay. The breast
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cancer is up thirty five percent, It is the lowest
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of the four. The melanoma of the skin is up
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ninety percent in the same sixteen year period. Now, how
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many bodies are we how many people were talking about here?
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We're talking about five hundred thousand cases of cancer a
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year in comparison to the thirty three thousand cases of
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tolio a year, and that five hundred thousand cases is
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consuming two hundred and fifty million dollars of medical insurance
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premiums a day. Okay, Wow, this is the secret. This
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is the the skeleton in the closet. This is the
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thing that nobody wants to talk about. And Richard Nixon
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is the ultimate political power behind it, because he is
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the one who restructured the National Institute of Health and
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authorized the Saban vaccine to proceed.
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Oh, we're going to talk about the National Institute of
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Health and the National Cancer instance is viral cancer research
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program a little later. But one of the things again
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that you theorized concerning this clandestine laboratory employing two of
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the strangest political bedfellows, doctor Mary Sherman, one of the
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foremost medical personalities and cancer researchers in this country, and
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David Ferry, a paramilitary intelligence connected right winger apparently involved
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with the Kennedy assassination. They were working together in this
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clandestine laboratory which may very well have occurred under the
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stewardship of Alton Oxner and perhaps skuy Banister, and they
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were working on injecting mice with monkey viruses to produce cancer,
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and you have theorized that may have been connected with
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the contamination of the polio vaccine, that perhaps the linear
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particle accelerator that may have inflicted those ghastly injuries on
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Mary Sherman was connected with that.
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Yeah, I think that's pretty accurate. Summary only point out
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just one or two things. We have the claim from
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Jim Garrison that David Ferry and Mary Sherman work together.
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Nobody else has any hard evidence that they personally knew
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each other and personally work together. But that does not
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prevent the other scenario happening, which is that David Ferry
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was given Mary Sherman's mice upon her death in order
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to continue to observe them. So until you know, I
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have asked Jim Garrison, a chief investigator who was responsible
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for this claim, to tell me what he knows about it,
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and he won't talk to me about it. So until
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we get an answer on it one way or another,
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we ultimately only have Garrisons claim that they were working
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together on it. But what we do know is we
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do know that Mary Sherman was very close to Sarah
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Stuart and Bernice Eddie, and they were the ones that
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discovered the contamination of the polio vaccine. And what I
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theorized from that is they tried to do what Saban did,
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which was to isolate a benign strain. It is interesting
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to know that genetic engineering and recombination and all that
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stuff that was developed about genetic knowledge was all done
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by taking apart one virus, and that is the SV
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forty virus. And so I think it's very clear that
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the people handing out the money knew that this was
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the problem, and that's why they funded the genetics engineering.
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Taking apart that one virus. The use of the linear
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particle accelerator was to speed up the mutation process to
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see if they could find a benign strain because it
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wasn't mutating fast enough and they were in a hurry.
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And what's interesting to me is that Gerald Myers, is
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in charge of the HIV database at the Los Alamos Laboratories,
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describes HIV one as having been fast forwarded. I realized
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this is later in our discussion.
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We're going to be coming to this in our next segment.
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But the point is using radiation. Radiation mutates that was
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determined in nineteen twenty eight. That was not news The
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question is did these people purposely put monkey viruses in
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a beam of radiation in order to mutate them and
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then inject them into the mice to find out what happened.
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If they did, it's a very serious situation and it
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needs to be investigated.
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We should note too, they recall for listeners the physical
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proximity of doctor Mary Sherman's path to Tu Lane, David
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Ferry's apartment, the apparent laboratory site across the street, as
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well as the connections between people like Mary Sherman, Alton Oxner,
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Guy Banister, and David Ferry, and the Kennedy assassination Neil Yu.
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So it may have been in connection with the SV
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forty a monkey virus contamination of the polio vaccine, the
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SABIN vaccine that is not only responsible for the epidemic
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of soft tissue cancers that you have discussed, but it
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may have been that precise focal point that the Mary Fairy.
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Association was created to investigate.
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We have been speaking with Ed Haslam, the author of
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Mary Fairy and the Monkey Virus, The Story of an
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Underground medical Laboratory, published in soft cover by the Wordsworth Press.
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We are going to carry this fascinating and critically important
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investigation still further and discuss the possibility of AIDS conceivably
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having resulted from some of these machinations.
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For Ed Haslam, this is Dave Emory. Thanks for listening.
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My name is Dave Emory, and it's my pleasure to
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be joined by Ed Haslam, the author of Mary Ferry
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and the Monkey Virus, The Story of an underground medical Laboratory,
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published in softcover by The Wordsworth Press, copyright nineteen ninety five.
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Ed, welcome back to our airwaves.
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Thank you.
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We have been discussing events that took place in New
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Orleans and around Tulane Medical School and the Oxner Medical
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Clinic in the nineteen sixties and the early seventies. Alton
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Oxner was one of the most important people in American
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medicine and also a very prominently connected political animal, not
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only in New Orleans but elsewhere. His connections involved some
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extreme right wing and national security connections.
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He also was the head of the.
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Information Council of the Americas, or one of the dominant
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person behind that. That was a right wing propaganda outfit
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with apparent intelligence connections that was involved with helping to
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paint Lee hert Oswald read in the New Orleans area.
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One of his employees, one of his colleagues, i should say,
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at the Oxner Clinic and also at Tulane, although he
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was not with Deulane at that time. Mary Sherman, one
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of the foremost cancer researchers in the United States.
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Was involved in an underground.
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Medical laboratory with David Ferry, a paramilitary right winger involved
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with the intelligence communities efforts against Castro and the major
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initial focal point of Jim Garrison's investigation into President Kennedy's assassination,
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his untimely death, and the murder of the Laddio de Valli.
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His apparent control in the anti Castro effort helped to
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cover that up. We have been speaking about the murder
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of doctor Mary Sherman and the circumstances surrounding that. It
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was bandied about by the press that this was some
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sort of a lesbian quarrel or something like that, and
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in fact that was not the case. We left off
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with that now there was a was there not had
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some superficial mutilation of her genitals, but nothing like what
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they the press made out.
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is if anybody, when people do ask me what the
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book is about, I simply say, it's an investigation of
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the death of Mary Sherman. And it really is what
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the book comes to. It's the major part of the
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investigation Mary Sherman's death was portrayed as a psycho sexual
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slashing and that her body was set on fire, and
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the police, as reported through the newspaper, went on this
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wild goose chase looking for a lesbian slasher, and it
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was they played up that that theme so much. At
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the precinct. Captain complained about the manpower shortage and everything else.
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Nobody could get near the files on this This file
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was kept locked in a police officer's desk and it
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was not part of the regular filing system. Thirty years later,
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this while was finally released into the basement of the
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New Orleans Public Library, which is where I found it.
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report of what happened to Mary Sherman, you realize that
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everything they said was a lie. And we start with
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what did happen to Mary Sherman? What did the body
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stab wounds. So, as I said, the whole lesbian sort
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of homophobic cover up angle came.
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Let me start with the stab wounds, because that's a
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good place to start. The cause of death, as stated
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at the coroner's report, was a stab wound to the heart. Okay.
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and she was stabbed exactly and completely perfectly in the
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middle of her heart, and it penetrated that thickest wall,
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the biggest muscle in the heart, the thickest wall, right
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up there in the front, and she hemorrhaged from there.
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the wound that killed her.
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and that means it was done after death. So the slashing,
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as it's called, was not done when she was alive.
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in order to create the impression that she had died
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in a psychosexual incident.
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a high degree of medical knowledge.
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certainly knew how to kill somebody because of the precision
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of that wound. In fact, they didn't even find that
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wound because they lifted up her left breast and did
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it right on the scene where her breast would normally
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hang and went straight in between the fifth and sixth ribs.
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of her chest cavity in the audio TOPSI that they even
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found the wound. So that was very precise. Whoever did
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it knew what they were doing, but they did it
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for a reason, and that is what the burns indicate.
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that had been piled on and I believe also under
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Instead of fire, that's right.
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some synthetic clothing on top. The criminologists working for the
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New Orleans Police Department identified the material in the clothing
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and said that that material burst into flames at five
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hundred degrees. That means the temperature in the room was
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less than five hundred degrees because that material did not
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burn complete, it was only partially burned. Also, the curtains
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next to her bed did not burn. Some of the
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furniture in the room was smoldering a little bit, but
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the police who arrived on the scene before the fire
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department got there, did not even report seeing a flame.
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five hundred degrees. The problem comes in when you analyze
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the body. Mary Sherman's right arm, her right rib cage,
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and the right side of her head was completely burned off,
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totally disintegrated. Now, the temperatures required to burn a bone
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are enormous. In a commercial cremation, a body is put
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into a oven that's two thousand degrees and it stays
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there for two hours, and when they open it up
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there are still bones. Because bones don't burn, they dehydrate,
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and then the mortuary service grinds up the bones and
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makes them into dust. So even the two thousand degrees
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at two hours does not burn a bone. Even guys
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pilots who crash jets and get soaked in jet fuel,
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it burns on thousands of degrees. When they go to
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pick up the wreckage, their bones are still there. Whatever
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hit Mary Sherman on the right arm and took off
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her right arm, her right rib cage with thousands of degrees.
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Now here comes the real interesting point. The easiest thing
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to burn on your entire body is your hair. We've
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all burned hairs on our arms or whatever around the stove, etc.
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hair on Mary Sherman's head was still there. The hair
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on her body was still there. In relationship to some
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of these burns, the hair was two three inches away
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what could have created thousands of degrees of temperature so
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specifically that it completely burned off and charred and carterized
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her right shoulder area completely destroyed, destroyed and disintegrated all
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the bones in her her hand and arm and ribcage,
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and not burned the hair that was right next to it.
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In attempting to answer that obvious, and I believe you
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did successfully answered. In attempting to answer that obvious and
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massive discrepancy, you came upon a hypothesis which brings us
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back to not only the clandestine laboratory, but Mary Sherman's
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work with David Ferry and ingesting or in injecting mice
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with cancer causing monkey viruses, and in many ways, that's
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discrepancy in her death brings us to some of the
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central points of your narrative.
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There's only really two things that could create the type
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of damage that we saw on Mary Sherman's body. One
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of them is a bolt of lightning or an equivalent
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electrical charge of millions of vaults of electricity or millions
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of watts of electricity hitting her in a blast or
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a bolt and burning off everything in its path and
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the process. One of the curious questions is why is
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it only her arm and head area, and why didn't
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it go all the way down through her body and
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creates more damage in other places. The other thing that
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could have done it would have been a beam of radioactivity,
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and we are familiar with some similar incidents and accidents
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that occurred with certain machinery that created radioactivity. One of
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the pieces of machinery that creates radioactivity is called a
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linear particle accelerator. This is sort of the poor man's
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atom smasher. It is used in well, the most famous
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one today is out in Linda, Lower California, at the
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cancer center out there. It shoots radiation into patients and
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is used to burn their tumors in their A linear
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particle accelerator is of that nineteen sixty four generation was
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a five million watt machine that was fully capable of
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producing either a lightning bolt length spark or a beam
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which could cut anything. I mean, let me just give
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you an illustration of the power of these machines. In
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South Africa, the diamond diamond industry down there, they take
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yellow diamonds, which are regular diamonds with quartz imperfections in them,
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and they put them in front of the beam and
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it strips the quartz out from the middle of the diamond.
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These things are capable of cutting anything because they shoot
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se atomic particles.
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Now you theorize that the accelerator, and we're going to
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update the information that you've developed since your book was published.
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have been the device which appears to have been the
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device that caused this incredible burning on Barry Sherman as
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having been connected with the work that she may have
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been engaged in in this underground laboratory, namely investigating cancer
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causing viruses.
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and the cancer causing viruses. And we're going to get
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back to not only Mary Sherman's medical work, but the
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formidable efforts of two of her female colleagues, Sarah Stewart,
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and Bernice Eddie also pioneers in this field and also
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sadly overlooked, perhaps because of their gender.
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Okay, let's start with the linear particle accelerator and why
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it was that I brought that into the conjecture of
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what happened to Mary Sherman. First of all, I was
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told in nineteen sixty nine that there was a linear
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particle accelerator in New Orleans which was being used for
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medical research which was not being discussed publicly. And I
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was told that by a Jesuit priest because I attended
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the Jesuit school and he happened to be a physics teacher,
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and we happened to be talking about linear particle particle
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accelerators that day in class when this conversation came up.
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the Jesuit prix was telling us the truth, and this
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was information he had heard through whatever circles he associated with,
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through his priesthood activities and his teaching physics activities. The question,
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and that raise, is what were they doing with a
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linear particle accelerator that was medical and that was in
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the category of research that they wouldn't want to talk
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about and that raised the possibility that Mary Sherman, if
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she died in proximity to a linear particle accelerator, was
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using that linear particle accelerator in her research. And was
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that research the same research that was involved with David
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Ferry's lab. In other words, was she using a linear
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particle accelerator on monkey viruses to mutate them? Was she
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mutating monkey viruses and then seeing what happened with the
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viruses when they put him into the mice. And that
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was the critical question that I had to find an
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answer to. And that's when we went back to David
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Ferry's treatise, the treatise that was found in his apartment,
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and we trace the whole story back to the National
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Institute of Health and the discovery of cancer causing viruses
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by Mary Sherman's medical school classmate, Sarah Stewart, who was
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working as a researcher for the National Cancer Institute and
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the National Institute of Health. And in nineteen fifty seven,
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excuse me, Sarah Stewart and Bernice Eddie, both of Bernice
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called Biostandards, but the safety testing laboratory at the National
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Institute of Health, and she and Sarah Stewart proved that
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they found a virus which they named pollyoma, and they
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proved that this virus was capable of causing multiple types
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of cancer in multiple types of animals. And for the
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first time, they proved that viruses were capable of causing
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cancers in mammals. The history of virus in cancer goes
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and the research of I'm sorry, I can't take of
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his name at the moment, but he identified the chicken
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sarcoma Peyton Rowse. I'm sorry it was Peyton Rouse in
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nineteen eleven who started this whole theory of viruses were
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capable of causing cancer. But it wasn't until nineteen fifty
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seven when these two researchers of the National Institute of
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Health proved it to the satisfaction of their management, that
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it was taken seriously in projects to further research cancer
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causing viruses were in fact financed by the US government
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through the National Institute of Health. Bernise Eddie is worth
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talking about because when the poly illo vaccine came up
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for distribution, the sulk scene. Originally, at the last minute,
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they brought the salt vaccine into Bernice Eddie to safety test.
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Bernice Eddie had a bunch of monkeys at her disposal,
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and she went and injected them with the salt vaccine
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and the monkeys fell over, dead and crippled on the
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bottom of her cages, of their cages, and Bernice Eddie
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took photographs of them and went to the management of
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the National Institute of Health prior to the release of
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the polio vaccine and showed them these photos, and they
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released it anyway. And when they released it, children died
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and children got paralyzed, just like the monkeys did. And
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the result of that was called the Cutter fiasco because
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director of the National Institute of Health fired, but the
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Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare who oversaw that department,
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was also fired.
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was president, Richard Nixon was vice president, there's only two
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people in the government that can fire the Secretary of Health, Education,
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and Welfare, and it's always the vice president's job. For
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the president, I want.
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the firing, and one of Oxner's sons was among the
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early victims of this faulty vaccine.
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Oxner was interested in proving to the public that the
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vaccine was safe, so he injected his own two grandchildren
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with it. His grandson died, his granddaughter got polio from it,
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so he was personally affected by this initial batch of
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the polio vaccine. Richard Nixon was then presented with the
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task of the problem and the Solve vaccine was withdrawn
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try to kill the poliovirus. Sabine simply isolated of benign
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strain of it, so your body would know that it
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was being invaded by something and would defend against it.
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weak that it couldn't really hurt you. So in nineteen
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fifty seven they went ahead with the second with fifty
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six fifty seven, they went ahead with the second wave
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of polio vaccines with the mass inoculation. Now, the thing
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that most people don't know about the polio vaccine is
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when you have to grow a live poliovirus to use
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in a vaccine, where do you do it. They did
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it on the kidneys of monkeys. And when they took
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the virus, the poliovirus out of the monkey for the vaccine,
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they also took out the other virus is that were
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in the monkeys, and.
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Netty discovered in fifty seven. Yale labs the next year
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started categorizing all the monkey viruses and they found a
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virus that was identical to polyoma, which was SV forty.
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of the NIH management, started running her own experiments and
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doing her own research. And what she found was cancer
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causing monkey viruses present in the cells of the monkey's
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kidneys upon which the vaccine has grown. And she raised
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the issue, have we just mass inoculated the American public
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with cancer causing monkey viruses? And when I got when
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I got to that point in the research, I said,
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wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait, wait a minute. Minute.
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If that happened, and if Eddie was right, then we
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would be having an epidemic of cancer right now, right now.
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And nobody's talking about an epidemic of cancer right now,
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so it must not have happened, right And then the
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little voice went off in the back of my head
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that said, ed, go check the numbers yourself.
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It's just like that silly notion that there was a
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conspiracy behind Kennedy's assassination. Everybody knows that's not true, and
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you can just check with Gerald Posner that's right.
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And so I went to a medical library. I pulled
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the statistics from the National Cancer Institute for the last
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sixteen years, and I put them on my computer and
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punched the button to make it turn into a graph.
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And they are clearer than I mean, just like sticking
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out like a sore thumb, are four viruses, I mean,
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four cancers which have increased in average of fifty percent
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over that same sixteen year period. Now, the significance of
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that is this, because people are going to say, well,
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there's all this environmental stuff blah blah blah. They track
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thirty seven cancers. Okay. One of them is lung cancer,
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and I'm gonna throw that out just because of the
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cigarette issue. Okay, And then we're talking about four that
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are growing at epidemic proportions. The other thirty two cancers
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over the sixteen year period had a zero percent increase.
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So all of the increase was focused on these four cancers.
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And they're all soft tissue cancers. They are breast and prostate,
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which are both sexual organs. They are skin melanoma of
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the skin, and they are lymphoma. Okay, those four have
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been grown. In fact, you will see Science Magazine published
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an article on breast cancer. They called the rise in
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breast cancer alarming. Now learning is a strange word, I
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mean a strong word for Science magazine. Okay. The breast
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cancer is up thirty five percent, It is the lowest
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of the four. The melanoma of the skin is up
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ninety percent in the same sixteen year period. Now, how
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many bodies are we how many people were talking about here?
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We're talking about five hundred thousand cases of cancer a
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year in comparison to the thirty three thousand cases of
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tolio a year, and that five hundred thousand cases is
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consuming two hundred and fifty million dollars of medical insurance
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premiums a day. Okay, Wow, this is the secret. This
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is the the skeleton in the closet. This is the
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thing that nobody wants to talk about. And Richard Nixon
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is the ultimate political power behind it, because he is
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the one who restructured the National Institute of Health and
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authorized the Saban vaccine to proceed.
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Oh, we're going to talk about the National Institute of
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Health and the National Cancer instance is viral cancer research
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program a little later. But one of the things again
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that you theorized concerning this clandestine laboratory employing two of
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the strangest political bedfellows, doctor Mary Sherman, one of the
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foremost medical personalities and cancer researchers in this country, and
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David Ferry, a paramilitary intelligence connected right winger apparently involved
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with the Kennedy assassination. They were working together in this
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clandestine laboratory which may very well have occurred under the
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stewardship of Alton Oxner and perhaps skuy Banister, and they
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were working on injecting mice with monkey viruses to produce cancer,
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and you have theorized that may have been connected with
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the contamination of the polio vaccine, that perhaps the linear
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particle accelerator that may have inflicted those ghastly injuries on
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Mary Sherman was connected with that.
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Yeah, I think that's pretty accurate. Summary only point out
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just one or two things. We have the claim from
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Jim Garrison that David Ferry and Mary Sherman work together.
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Nobody else has any hard evidence that they personally knew
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each other and personally work together. But that does not
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prevent the other scenario happening, which is that David Ferry
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was given Mary Sherman's mice upon her death in order
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to continue to observe them. So until you know, I
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have asked Jim Garrison, a chief investigator who was responsible
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for this claim, to tell me what he knows about it,
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and he won't talk to me about it. So until
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we get an answer on it one way or another,
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we ultimately only have Garrisons claim that they were working
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together on it. But what we do know is we
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do know that Mary Sherman was very close to Sarah
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Stuart and Bernice Eddie, and they were the ones that
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discovered the contamination of the polio vaccine. And what I
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theorized from that is they tried to do what Saban did,
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which was to isolate a benign strain. It is interesting
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to know that genetic engineering and recombination and all that
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stuff that was developed about genetic knowledge was all done
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by taking apart one virus, and that is the SV
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forty virus. And so I think it's very clear that
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the people handing out the money knew that this was
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the problem, and that's why they funded the genetics engineering.
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Taking apart that one virus. The use of the linear
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particle accelerator was to speed up the mutation process to
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see if they could find a benign strain because it
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wasn't mutating fast enough and they were in a hurry.
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And what's interesting to me is that Gerald Myers, is
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in charge of the HIV database at the Los Alamos Laboratories,
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describes HIV one as having been fast forwarded. I realized
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this is later in our discussion.
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We're going to be coming to this in our next segment.
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But the point is using radiation. Radiation mutates that was
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determined in nineteen twenty eight. That was not news The
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question is did these people purposely put monkey viruses in
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a beam of radiation in order to mutate them and
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then inject them into the mice to find out what happened.
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If they did, it's a very serious situation and it
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needs to be investigated.
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We should note too, they recall for listeners the physical
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proximity of doctor Mary Sherman's path to Tu Lane, David
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Ferry's apartment, the apparent laboratory site across the street, as
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well as the connections between people like Mary Sherman, Alton Oxner,
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Guy Banister, and David Ferry, and the Kennedy assassination Neil Yu.
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So it may have been in connection with the SV
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forty a monkey virus contamination of the polio vaccine, the
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SABIN vaccine that is not only responsible for the epidemic
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of soft tissue cancers that you have discussed, but it
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may have been that precise focal point that the Mary Fairy.
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Association was created to investigate.
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We have been speaking with Ed Haslam, the author of
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Mary Fairy and the Monkey Virus, The Story of an
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Underground medical Laboratory, published in soft cover by the Wordsworth Press.
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We are going to carry this fascinating and critically important
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investigation still further and discuss the possibility of AIDS conceivably
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having resulted from some of these machinations.
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For Ed Haslam, this is Dave Emory. Thanks for listening.
