Justin G Returns & the Nets get Screwed in the 2026 NBA Lottery // 252

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Welcome to Spenny and the Nets, episode 252.
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We skipped last week, but we're back this week, and obviously it's it's the worst news possible.
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We're gonna talk about the disappointing lottery results and much more.
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And ladies and gentlemen, you're not experiencing deja vu as we welcome back our guest from episode 251, Justin G.
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Justin, let's let's start on a positive note.
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How does it feel to be a recurring guest of the pod?
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It's an honor.
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I feel great.
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Thank you for having me back.
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I had a great time last time.
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You know, it was a good time.
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Um, like I said, there's just so few of us.
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So getting a chance to like actually just talk Nets is a good time.
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You know, like the little times I get to, but it was great.
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I had a great time, man.
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I just appreciate you having me on, bro.
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Yeah, man.
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I wish they were under better circumstances.
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Uh, and also the other seven Nets fans that exist, they were all busy.
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So you you got the call back.
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Hope that's crazy.
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I'm glad.
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I'm glad.
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I'm glad one of us was around because it it's tough when they're, you know, it's tough finding any anywhere, even at the Barclays.
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All right, all right.
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Let's let's get right into it.
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Let's rip off the fucking band-aid.
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The Nets got absolutely boned in the lottery on Sunday at 3 p.m.
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And they had the what was it, uh, 52% chance, a little bit higher than that.
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They were going to draft in the top four.
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They fall all the way down to six.
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Um, just absolute devastation when they show the card at six, it's the Brooklyn Nets.
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And then, of course, there's all these all these tweets today that are just like, you know, the knife in all our hearts.
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There are just tweets that are twisting it.
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I saw Brett Siegel, you're gonna love this, Justin.
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Uh, he said that the Nets were so close to getting the number one pick.
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The four-two first two-digit combinations for the number one pick essentially made it a 50-50 chance for Brooklyn and Washington.
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So the Nets had they were so close, and there's all this semantics, but yeah, I mean, look, uh, I'll read off the first six and then we'll talk about the Nets.
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It's it's Wizards at one, Jazz at two, Grizzlies at three, bulls at four, Clippers at five, and your Brooklyn Nets at six.
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Justin, when they announced this news on Sunday, what is your immediate reaction?
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My immediate reaction was I wanted to go through the TV, grab Mark Tatum, the deputy commissioner, with that grin on his face and flip him upside down and shake him for whatever he had in his pockets.
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I was disgusted, bro.
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Like, I don't know why, but as soon as the the show started, I I don't know if this is like Nets fan, Jets fan, Mets fan mentality, but I got a fucking bad feeling, bro.
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I don't know why.
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I don't know if you felt that way.
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I wasn't talking to nobody, I didn't have my phone near me, I was locked in, but I just had a bad fucking feeling.
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And and and you know, like I said, this guy's up there with it with this with this shitty and grin.
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But the sixth pick, and what when when he said bro, like my heart dropped in my stomach because this is two years in a row now, and I think that that that added layer kind of like adds an extra element of hurt to it, that it's two years in a row, that we went full on tank, and basically are coming away with nothing to fucking show for it, bro.
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Like, I know you said it was probably crazy on social media today.
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I can only imagine.
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That's why I'm glad I don't have fucking Twitter, Instagram, any of that stuff.
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Because I would've I'd be losing my mind right now.
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Because, like, how do you even begin to process this, bro?
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Like, we sat through seven months of bullshit and really longer than that, two years, like I said, and and and dating back to to the the year before that, even we've been dealing with nonsense, bro.
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And to not even come away with a top four pick on this same show last time.
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You asked me what was my line of demarcation, like, where would I be good with?
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I said, fucking three, dude.
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Like, we needed a franchise altering pick.
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Like, we didn't need like now I'm sitting here like hoping we get Darius Acuff or or Keaton Wagler, and like that wasn't what it was supposed to be, bro.
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Like, it's just not it's not right, bro.
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It's fucked up.
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And I'll say this, you know what?
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I know everything's changing with the lottery and and the tanking and all that, but for anybody who doesn't think that this stuff is rigged, you're out of your mind.
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You're out of your mind because they were never gonna let us win the lottery, bro.
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They were never gonna let us win the lottery.
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Tell me I'm wrong.
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No, I I'm not gonna say it's not rigged.
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There's so much to unpack here, man.
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Let's like it.
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I know I just threw a lot out there, but I'm just I'm just disgusted, bro.
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I can't I can't, I can't, like, I can't take it.
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I can't fathom it, I can't process it.
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And it's it's it's it's rigged, bro.
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Like, they were never letting us get that shit.
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Never.
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You you gotta think about the different iterations that Sean Marks has tried in terms of strategy with his team.
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And I'm I'm not a Sean Marks guy.
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I think he should should have been gone after the big three just disassembled.
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I think that was when you cut ties with the guy.
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But think about it like this: he comes in, he builds, you know, a fake contender.
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Let's let's call it a fake contender in those D'Angelo Russell, Didwiddy, Levert teams.
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They were fun, they weren't ever gonna do anything, but they were competitive.
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Guys played better than their expectation.
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The general manager gets credit for that.
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Great.
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Then you luck into this KDJH Kyrie Irvin team.
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A pandemic literally stops them.
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Fine.
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Okay, uncontrollable shit.
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You get rid of that.
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Now you go this strategy where maybe we can rebuild with Mikhail Bridge.
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Not rebuild, maybe we can be competitive with Mikhail Bridges, Cam Johnson.
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Let's try this team.
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Not gonna cut it in the east.
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Didn't work.
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Okay, great.
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You pivot a fourth time, Justin.
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I'm in, I'm going on like five, six years now.
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This is a fourth pivot in six years.
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Fine, let's tank, let's rebuild, let's get a top three pick.
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Last year you had the six best odds, you fall to eighth.
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This year you had the third best odds, you fall to sixth.
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They've tried every strategy under the book, and nothing has worked in terms of winning for this team.
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So that's that's number one.
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That's looking at it from a basketball perspective, strategic.
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You want to talk about the emotions.
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Last year, when they did the draft lotterily, I was in draft lottery.
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I was in Lisbon, Portugal with my wife.
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We're on a little vacay, and it's like probably one in the morning, and I'm looking on Twitter, and I see boom, Nets get the eighth pick.
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I'm devastated.
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Fast forward to this year, it's Mother's Day.
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Um, I'm home.
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I just got back from a trip from Spain last week.
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It was beautiful, Justin.
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So much positivity, no sports.
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I'm looking at the scores when I wake up at 6 a.m.
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because the games are at 2 a.m.
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So my wife's entire family is here for Mother's Day.
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And three o'clock rolls around.
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I run to the other room, I sprint, turn it on.
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They announced the lottery, and all my wife's family from the other room heard was no screamed it.
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And they're like asking her, Am I okay?
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I come out.
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Mother's Day was over after that.
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I I had I couldn't talk to anybody.
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I just was on Twitter.
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There's the only cathartic thing I can do is watch all my fellow Nets fans who were absolutely in shambles, you know, talk about it, talk about how shitty it was, talk about how we never get anything.
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And I'll go as far to say, Justin, in terms of the last two decades, I think this is the worst moment as a Nets fan.
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It's worse than KD's foot on the line, it's worse than when they all demanded trades, it's worse than when J.
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Kidd left.
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This is the worst moment because you're right, we were supposed to get a franchise-altering player, and the chances I see all these people, oh, you know, SGA, Jokic.
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That's not, that's an anomaly.
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That's not, you know, the title.
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And that's those people are Nets fans.
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Those people are Nets fans.
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They don't know what it's like to root for this particular organization.
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You know, so a couple things just to follow up on what you said.
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So, you know, we somehow we didn't get into it first time.
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And I'm sure, you know, if I come on here more, it's gonna just come up repeatedly.
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Because one thing that we're in full locks at Bon is I don't know how Sean Marks has a job.
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Like, what does he have on Joe's side in terms of personal dirt that he has been able to retain his employment through, like you said, basically four to five attempts at building an organization.
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He's been the GM for 10 years, he's got one playoff series victory and 10 seasons, one playoff series victory and 10 seasons.
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And it's it's at the point, dude, where like it's clear that he he might be a good guy to have in your front office.
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Like, you know, he he makes decent moves here and there, but nothing has led to tangible winning, bro.
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It's just the the it's it's a maddening cycle and spiral.
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Now, the one thing I I will push back on is as low and as bad as yesterday was, and I'm not sugarcoating that at all, nothing tops that toe on the line, man.
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Because that toe on the line changes everything about everything.
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Because if if that goes in and we win, like we're we're winning the finals that year.
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I don't know about every Nets.
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We would have played the Hawks, but we would have played the Hawks in the Eastern Conference Finals.
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It could have been Harden.
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We were gonna get Kyrie back though.
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No, he was gonna come back on a bump.
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He was that was bad.
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He was gonna come back by like he was gonna come back next to my game four, five.
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But even then, we would have beat the hawks with Harden and KD and those guys.
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We could Kyrie would have came back in the finals, then we would have played Phoenix in the finals.
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Like that Sun's team was a fraudulent team.
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I just yeah, I I I think it's crazy.
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And again, you're in the majority.
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Most Nets fans feel the exact same way.
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I am not of the mindset of if he if we beat the Bucs, we're winning the championship.
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I still I still know maybe it's kind of weird.
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I think they were the best team that year.
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So I think if we would have beat them, like, because they they were they were they were loaded, bro.
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And we like the the toe on the line changes everything too.
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Because if if they make it at least to the conference finals or the finals, I think that changes the outlook of maybe whether they try to stick together as opposed to you know just making it to the second round.
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And I think the other thing that you you're you're underestimating a little bit, bro, is how lights out KD was playing.
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Like, that was the best ball he's ever played in his career.
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So I'm definitely not underestimating that.
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I also don't think like I just don't think anybody was stopping that guy, that playoffs.
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Like the only thing that was stopping him was him.
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It was Landry Shamut and Jeff Green were the two other guys on that.
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Jeff Green was the X Factor.
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He was the X Factor.
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Are you gonna depend on Shamit and Jeff Green as your guys down the stretch?
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That to me was like like that's why we're a Milwaukee series.
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KD had to do too much.
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But I think that that Atlanta team was worse than that Milwaukee team.
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Like, if we would have got by Milwaukee, I think that we could have strategically played around and fiddled with the lineup.
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We had Blake Griffin, we had Jeff Green, we had vets that could have probably dragged us through that series and got us to the finals where at least KD and I mean, listen, maybe we might not have won it, but I just think if we made the finals or at least the conference finals, then it changes the complexion of how quick that team broke up.
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Because at least that gives you something to hold on to.
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Like, hey, you know, we played an uh injury ravaged shortened season and we still made the conference finals.
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Like, let's see if we can actually play a season together.
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But and also just from like a personal heartbreak standpoint, like the foot on the line, like I still think about that like way too much.
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Like, I'm I'm a grown man, I have a kid, I have a career, like I have a life, like I shouldn't.
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But here I am, like sitting there like at my desk, like oh, if only KD, like wearing his shoes, like his actual size.
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It's ridiculous, bro.
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But you know, that's the only but nonetheless, to your original point, it's it's one of the five worst moments, probably the last 20 years.
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Um, I'd say probably right after the foot on the line, maybe up there with uh demand in the trades and everything.
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It's brutal.
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It's just there's no other, there's no other, it's absolutely brutal.
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And now today I'm seeing videos of like uh who was it?
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Someone on ESPN, or I think it was maybe Nick Wright on on uh on Fox.
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Someone ass say well, I don't know if it was him, someone compared Caleb Wilson.
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They said like his bar is Kevin Garnett and his ceiling is Giannis.
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Like they compared him to two ridiculously Hall of Fame players, and now I'm seeing that the day after I know the Nets aren't gonna have a shot at Caleb Wilson or uh or the other three.
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Um you know there is there is some hope for us, Justin, because I don't know if you saw this.
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The Wizards have a win now ready team in the East with Trey Young and Anthony Davis and Alex Sarr, um, I think it was Trey Johnson last year.
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Like they have some hope.
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Oh, we should have been doing something like this.
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But but Justin, they might want to move off of the first pick.
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They're not looking for a savior of the franchise.
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So if we if if we're able to trade this pick, basically the deal would be they get MPJ and the number six pick and whatever else they fucking want.
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I think Jaeger Joman's untouchable.
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I don't think they want a point guard in Troy or any of these guys, but MPJ and the number six pick would be the headliner, maybe another first.
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Do you pull the trigger for number one in DeBonsa with Washington?
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We'd have to, right?
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Like, I I like we can't stay home and pick six and act like everything's gonna be cool.
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I'm sorry, we just can't.
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Like with our track record, with Sean Marks' track record, with our history as a franchise.
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We that situation, you know, and the the only this is gonna sound so bad, but at least you know it's a Nets fan, you so you'll probably get it.
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The only like comfort that I had, like picking six, is I was like, oh yeah, like if we did get a top three pick, we would pick the wrong fucking guy out of the three of them.
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Like we would end up picking the one who like breaks his foot in like the first year, has to sit out the first two years of his career, like while the other two are like just like because you know, what are the chances like all three of them actually turn out to be superstars?
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You know, like obviously that right now it looks like you know, it's but it's rare that it happens like that.
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You know, we've only really had like three drafts like that, like 83, um, 03.
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You know, there's been a there's been a few of them, but they're few and far between.
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So it's like that's the only thing I was like, oh, at least like, you know, maybe there's like less of a chance, like, you know, we're not gonna fuck.
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But to your point, bro, I wouldn't mind that deal.
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Um, there's a couple deals I heard floated around on uh the Bill Simmons podcast last night.
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Might have been gonna take credit for them.
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Bill Simmons was saying it.
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He was saying maybe the Nets flip six for Pablo Bancaro straight up.
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Maybe Orlando's looking to get rid of so I didn't hate that, didn't love it, but didn't hate it.
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Um, at least it gets us closer to to a play-in game, something, bro.
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Um, because we don't control our pick next year.
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Yep, it's usually so this we we we we this is it.
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Like whatever roster we put together has to be some sort of play-in team, like there's no incentive to fucking suck anymore.
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I posted uh my reaction on Facebook, it's like a two-minute video from this morning, and our boy Tim from Hoops wrote, We own your pick next year, too.
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LOL.
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Tim's a Rockets fan.
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Shout out to Tim.
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Tim is a real Rockets fan.
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I'll go with that.
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Shout out to Tim.
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Yeah, man, don't remind me.
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Like, I know we don't have a pick.
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And you know, Tim, shout out Tim.
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Tim would be the guy to say that, bro.
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You know what, Tim?
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You would that's like so something you would do.
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Like, by the way, you know, we do own that pick.
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I could just see him like so so the Nets can't like if we suck next year, it's for no reason.
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It's literally just because we're it's literally for it's maddening.
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Like, you know, and and we drafted five first rounders, none of them made an all-rookie team.
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Yep, that's bad.
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So, what makes me think that Sean Marks is gonna nail something with the sixth pick?
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Like, I just can't, like, I can't see it, I can't picture it.
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So, because all the best guys that he's drafted are playing right now for the Cavs.
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Like, so, so like it's just not it's not happening.
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And even those guys aren't superstars, you know.
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So I mean, there Noah Klani is is not, you know, first rounder not looking amazing very up in the middle of the season last year.
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That that little corner threes got is a little cool, but you know, so does so do the other 286 players in the league that shoot it at the same percentage as him.
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But anyway, you know, it's just one of those things, bro.
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Like, I I don't know if Washington would be open to taking that deal.
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I would do that.
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We got to do something, though.
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We can't just like sit there.
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I don't know who in the top five might be willing to trade back.
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You know, basketball is it's not like the NFL in that sense, where like trading back, you can get like this like treasure trove and stockpile, and you get a couple, like it's it's not it's kind of weird like that.
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Like it's not like I don't know.
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So, but we have to come away with with some sort of established stars off this sixth pick, whether it's a trade, a move up.
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We can't just stay home at six, and I'll lose my I'll lose my fucking mind, bro.
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I can't, I can't do it.
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Like, I can't take it.
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I don't know.
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We we might, and it's funny, you're talking about you know, the likelihood of the top three guys all being superstars is pretty low.
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If I had to pick a bust, I'm picking boozer.
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He fits the mold for like uh Jaleel Okafor or like one of these.
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Marvin Bagley or something.
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Yeah, bro, like one of these sick players in college who just get by because of brute strength, and then they get to the NBA with with guys like Steven Adams and fucking Joan Jonas Valenciunas, who are just bricks, and all of a sudden they're they're not that good because they can't body everybody.
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To me, that's that's boozer's kid.
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I think he's a little more polished than than than some of those guys were though.
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I think he's a little more polished than Okafor and Bagley.
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Like, I think he's got a good jumper, I think he's got some of that leadership qualities.
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I I got to see him, like, I don't I don't watch too much college, but I watched him play a decent amount.
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He was he was good, man.
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I don't know.
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Like I said, he's a little vertically challenged, which you know could be an issue, but we'll see.
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I don't I don't know about all the Jokic comparisons and stuff.
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I think that's a little aggressive.
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But I don't know.
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Like I said, and like I said off the last pod I was on, if we did get a top three pick, we probably would have picked Darren Peterson because it seems like he's got a lot of like issues, like off the court mentally, like he doesn't know if he wants to play a lot, which seems like a Nets kind of player.
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Like, you know, like that that would fit in line with our what we do.
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We have these headcases and stuff, but would he be your pick for a bust?
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If you had to pick one guy in the top four to be a bust, would it be DP?
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Yeah, probably, because like at that point, like you know, loving basketball matters, man.
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Like, I don't know if that guy loves playing basketball.
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Did you hear the news that came out about him, though, like recently?
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He said it was like too much creatine.
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Yeah, a lot of people think, yeah, that's nonsense, bro.
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And the story came out like right before the week of the lottery.
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Like, what are we talking about?
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Like, I took too much creatine.
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Kids on my high school wrestling team are taking creatine, dude.
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Like, what are we talking?
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What are we talking about?
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Like, and he's saying that it's making them like cramp up in this game.
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Like, I don't know.
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So, like, I would say hinge off the fact that like he might not be all there, dude.
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Like, I don't know.
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Um, so like the other two guys at least seemed like they, you know, want to play basketball.
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I don't know if he wants to all the time.
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But then again, like there were some rumors that like they didn't pay him like the NIL he was supposed to get.
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So he was like, you know, playing, like, oh, you're gonna pay me this much, I'll play this much, which is kind of funny, but like you don't want that guy on your team, dude.
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I think they just paid him in creatine, dude.
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They were like, We're not gonna give you money.
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Here's as much creatine as humanly possible.
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It's absurd.
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Like, I can't believe that's the excuse that him and his million-dollar agent came up with.
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Like, he should have just called me.
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I could have came up with something better.
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Like we're we're gonna we're gonna get into who you and I might like at six, but before we do, you know, I was I was drinking a Corona Corona extra before.
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I got the shades.
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This episode is the death of the hopes and dreams for Nets fans getting a top three pick because of the lottery in 2026.
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So I poured myself a little port wine too, drinking on a Monday.
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Just great habits to start the week.
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And uh, yeah, to the um to the death of the hopes and dreams for Nets fans.
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This is to you guys.
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Yeah, you gotta do something to just get through it because it's like like today felt like I'm malaise, dude.
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I just felt like I was in a daze all day.
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Like, didn't feel right.
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It's just did you have any anybody text you being like, yo, that that was brutal?
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Sorry.
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Like, not Nets fans.
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Um, I did.
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I have uh I have my group chat with my two best friends.
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One of them is uh a Nets fan, although he's lost some interest the past few years, which I don't really blame him too much.
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I like how can you blame the guy?
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And then my other friend who's just not remotely interested in the NBA but likes to troll me.
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And he, since he doesn't know anything about the NBA, he didn't know until like nine o'clock at night, and he just like casually slips in the group chat.
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Oh, hey Justin, I saw the Nets got the sixth pick.
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Well, you think about that.
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What the fuck do you think I think about it?
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Like, we got the sixth pick.
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That's like that's a troll text.
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Yeah, of course.
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Shout out to it.
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He's one of my best friends.
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You you've probably seen him at the core, bro.
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But he freaking he he he he knew exactly what he was doing.
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But you know, and I had a few other people reach out to me.
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Uh, you know, what'd you think about this?
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Like, what do you think I'm gonna say?
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Like, how do you think I fucking feel?
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Like, I just watched Yeagor, Yeah.
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And Troy and Clowney, and like, you know, try to play basketball every night for four or five months.
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And, you know, this was the first season that I didn't have my season tickets in a couple years because we were just so bad that I couldn't justify driving over there.
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And I wanted so badly for them yesterday to give me a reason to call my season ticket rep.
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Shout out of Thea with the Brooklyn Nets.
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Great, great, great season ticket rep.
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I wanted them to give me a reason to call her back so bad, dude.
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I wanted, I wanted them to give me something, bro.
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I wanted, you know, my my son, who I love so much.
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I know my son, he's gonna be three.
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I was envisioning him growing with this player.
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Whoever this young man we draft championships.
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My son will be entering high school.
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This will be his guy.
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He'll grow up with him, we'll bomb through the Nets.
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You talk about Nets fans' hopes and dreams being dashed.
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It's good, it's gone.
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Everything.
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Um, yeah, I once had a uh a Knicks fan who's a friend of mine say to me, Man, if I was a Nets fan, I'd kill myself.
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And besides being incredibly insensitive to suicide, uh I I understood why he said that.
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I I got it.
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It hurt.
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I looked at him, I was like, you know what?
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I'm not even gonna say what the fuck, because well, you know what?
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I will say one thing, man.
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That guy, you, all the other Nets fans, he's not a Jets fan.
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Because you know what?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Oh, I know, because he wouldn't have said that.
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Um, at the time I know already, because you know, this is a basketball podcast, I'll keep it to that.
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But as as sad as the Nets make us, we've gone to the playoffs a bunch of times.
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If you're a Nets fan around our age, we've gone to the playoffs a bunch of times, we've been to two finals, we've gone on runs, the Jets have given me absolutely fucking nothing.
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Nothing.
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I'm 30.
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They haven't made the playoffs since I was 15.
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That's half my life.
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So you know what?
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The Nets, as rough as it is today, shout out the Nets, they don't give me nearly as many problems as the Jets do out of my teams.
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But I was leaving at that.
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I think that's fair.
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I mean, and also the guy making decisions when the Nets were good was a gentleman by the name of Rod Thorne.
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Shout out, Rod Thorne.
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Shout out Rod Thorne.
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He was a beast.
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He was a beast that it all went downhill with Billy King.
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But you know what?
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At least the Nets have adults making the decisions.
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The Jets are run by Brick Johnson.
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Shout out Brick Johnson.
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Um, 19-year-old, you know, Woody Johnson's son.
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He cut Aaron Rodgers, you know.
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Shout out Brick.
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That that's that's who I'm going.
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That's who my fortunes are tied to the rest of my life.
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Shout out to Jets fans.
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I I get it.
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I'm a Giants fan.
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So I, you know, we got we got some some decent days ahead with with our new coach.
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But uh all right, Justin, pick number six.
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Who's your guy?
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Who who do you have anyone at this point that you like more than the other at six?
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Me personally, I think I said this the last show.
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I I like Acuff Jr.
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I don't really care that he's a defensive liability.
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I I think he's probably the most gifted scorer in this draft after DeBonsa and Peterson.
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Um, so for me, if he's there, look, there's another short guy across the river who's who's currently in the Eastern Conference Finals, and there were a lot of there's been a lot of talk about his defensive liability being a defensive liability on his team.
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So yeah, I'd love my own version of that guy.
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I think that's Darius Acuff Jr.
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Everybody's a defensive liability in the NBA.
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None of them played defense.
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So I guess everybody's a defensive liability.
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But um, you know what?
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I to answer the question, I would love to to trade the pick for something established, but let's be realistic.
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You know, Sean Marks is sitting there thinking, oh yeah, it's my time now, it's smart, everybody.
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I'm gonna sit home.
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So, you know, it's between Acuff and the Keaton Waggler kid.
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This is that time where you know you're you're hearing all sorts of ridiculous stuff.
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You know, you mention Caleb Wilson's getting compared to Greek Freak and Garnett.
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:24.000
I heard Keaton Wagner get compared to Steph Curry this week, and I heard Acuff get compared to Derek Rose and Russell Westbrook.
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Um so you know what?
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I'll I guess be okay with either of those two.
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What else can I fucking do?
00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:38.799
Like what else what else can we do?
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Like besides literally having fan protests outside the Barclays, which would probably draw news because they'd be like, wow, like people care enough to to to to to protest the Nets?
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:52.240
Wow.
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Um like I just don't know what else to do because it's Joe Side.
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Clearly, Sean Marks has immeasurable job security.
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Like, if we miss the playoffs this year, it's not like he's getting fired.
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He's not gonna fire him.
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It'll be like, oh no, he's in the third year of his fourth rebuild.
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How can we fire him in the third year of his fourth rebuild?
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Like, so I guess we have to take a guard.
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We have to take we have to take a lead guard.
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I know this sounds absurd, but we have to take somebody that can dribble and create their own shot.
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We don't have a guy right now that could really like break you down and create his own offense.
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:37.599
Like MPJ is great, but he does a lot of his damage off catch and shoots, and he showed a little more of a bag last year, but that's not really his game.
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And like Treore, he wants to you know run downhill.
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And like I envision him like at his like if he tops out more as like a poor man's Tony Parker than anything.
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Like, he's not gonna give you like 22 and 10 ever.
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He'll probably give you like 14 and six or something like that.
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They need a real lead guard.
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So if Acuff or Waggler, I mean, I know you're more you're more in the loop.
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Is Waggler like a is he a two guard or is he a one?
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Like, what does he do?
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Like, I know Acuff's a one.
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Yeah, I I think he's kind of a combo guard.
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I think he because I looked at his stuff today, he is like he could play the two, could play.
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I think he's 6'5, so he's kind of like a tweener.
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Whereas that might be it might be a weird fit with like him and Trayore and like Yeoman in that backdoor.
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Here's the thing because the Nets took Treore and Sarah next last year.
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So if they Sarah, get him out of here.
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Well, that's the thing.
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Yeah, that that pick is gonna be useless.
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You're not gonna carry three point guards, and then also Traori, who'd showed a little bit of promise this year, all of a sudden glorified backup, right?
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:38.000
So like now you have this 18th overall pick, he's your backup.
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I guess that can work if the point guard works out.
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.279
But then, like, again, I don't think the front court is that good.
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:47.359
Like Claxton and and and Noah Clowney, no one that that's not a great front court.
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:48.640
So they still have to go.
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.160
Let me have let me ask you your let me ask you your thoughts on this.
00:28:53.039 --> 00:29:01.200
If we called up OKC, said we'll give you six for AJ Mitchell and one of their other role players.
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:03.039
How would you feel about that?
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:04.960
Depends on the role player.
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:08.720
Um we can get like Isaiah Joe.
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.000
Or like I mean, that's not enough.
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:12.640
That's not enough.
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:15.839
Or if we could weasel them into like Kayson Wallace somehow.
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:20.960
So you're getting basically their backcourt minus Shea and McCain and Caruso.
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:22.240
I still don't love that.
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:23.920
We're not getting J Dub either.
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:25.920
Yeah, no, I don't I don't love that trade.
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.799
Um, and I like I think AJ Mitchell's about to pop off.
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:32.400
I think he's got a little hardening in him getting off the OKC shakeout.
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:40.079
Because he's a leftist next yeah, but I just I like I'm just watching him, like I feel like he could like come in and I don't you know what I'm at?
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:41.440
Like Spencer, I'm at the point, bro.
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.039
Like, I want somebody that's like proven, not a projection.
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.480
Yeah, like the fact that like he's coming in, he's born out in the playoffs.
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:51.759
Like, I I feel like you know, he he's got confidence.
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:54.000
Like, I don't want like I want somebody that's already done it.
00:29:54.079 --> 00:30:00.720
Like, if we're gonna trade this pick, like what if you know, I I I lost track of the score here because I don't have it on the background, but like Cleveland flames out.
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.279
Like, would you do would you do six for Donovan Mitchell?
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:04.640
People like Mitchell.
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:08.720
I'm not super high on Mitchell only because he's never really brought his team to the promised land.
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:16.480
And then I look at our team and I say, is this Donovan Mitchell led Brooklyn Nets team gonna be better than the Mitchell Utah teams or the Mitchell Cavaliers teams?
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:17.680
I don't think so.
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.000
No, but at least those teams are in the second round.
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:21.839
At this point, I'll sign up for.
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:23.519
I'll sign up for that truck.
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:27.279
I want to I want to I want to like experience some success, bro.
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:28.079
Here is my thought.
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:30.000
I'm a Mets Jets and Nets fan.
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.359
Let me let me tell you my see, there's they're in cahoots, there's something weird going on.
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:39.680
But the second Sean Marks made that Mikhail Bridges trade and they allowed him to draft last year, right?
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:48.079
The Yeager Joman pick, I said on my podcast, the second that happened that he still had a job, I said he gets three years in Josai's head.
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:53.680
This next year to suck, that second year to suck, because obviously we had our 2026 pick.
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:59.839
If they do not make the playoffs this next season, because they have to be competitive, there's no reason.
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:02.720
There's there's nothing to justify him keeping his job.
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.000
I I think that Josy will do the right thing.
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:16.799
I think he'll be gone, and nothing up to that point tells me that that that's gonna happen, but at some point you got it'll be over a decade next year, like like close to nine, ten years.
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:19.759
I think he's gone if they don't make the playoffs.
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.960
You you can't suck for that long and have a six-year drought.
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.960
And the no other NBA team gives their general manager that much leeway.
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:29.119
I think he's gone next year.
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:30.880
I mean, I would hope so.
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:34.240
You know, like I I I would really hope so.
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:35.440
I mean, who's your baseball team?
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:36.640
You the Yankees guy?
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:38.240
I'm not a big baseball guy.
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.240
I'm a huge I care about baseball probably more than any of these sports, to be honest.
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.559
I'm a big Mets guy, big big Mets fan.
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.079
And everyone shits on David Stearns, which I usually defend him, which is crazy.
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:49.599
I know it's like really unpopular.
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:53.680
But I mean, he's been the GM for two years, and he at least has two playoff series wins.
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.960
Like you said, we're about to go into a decade of Sean Marx.
00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:58.559
He's got one, bro.
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:02.559
Like, it it's gotta come to a point where like enough is enough, man.
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:04.160
Like we deserve more.
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:10.240
And I don't know where that leaves Jordy and the whole thing, you know, with a new GM, but I don't really care.
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:19.920
Like, cool, like, you know, I I know he gets a lot of like hype and buzz because like he kind of won a few too many games with Dennis Schroeder.
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:27.519
So everyone's like, oh yeah, like Jordy Bernard, but like, dude, like at this point, I want proven results.
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.119
Like, if we like if we fire Sean Marks, I want a proven GM.
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.079
Somebody who's won, like, I'm I'm tired of this, like, rebuilding.
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:36.240
Like, I want them to actually fucking win, dude.
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:40.640
And especially with the fact that the Knicks are like dominating the way they are.
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:43.759
Like, we it's we have to become relevant again, bro.
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:47.920
Like, this season is showing clearly how wide open the fucking East is.
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:50.079
It can't be that hard to get good quick.
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.119
Like, the Pacers made the finals last year, they look like they suck now.
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.759
Like, I also got fucked in the lottery.
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:56.799
That was pretty funny.
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:58.720
Yeah, which is crazy, too.
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:05.920
Like, like the Clippers basically commit a white-collar, fraudulent crime and get rewarded with the fifth overall pick.
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.480
And again, like I said, this shit is fucking fixed.
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:10.880
But we get a pick below the Clippers.
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:12.319
That also bothered me, too.
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:17.920
Like, literally, Pablo Torres winning a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting into their story.
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:22.319
He literally won a Pulitzer Prize for his for the for his reporting.
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:23.279
I don't know if you saw that.
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:23.759
Yep.
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:25.920
The Asterian thing.
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:26.799
Yeah.
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.759
And then we're getting a pick below them.
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.400
Like, what does that say about how the NBA views us?
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.119
It says we're pathetic, Justin.
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:36.799
It says that no one takes us seriously.
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:37.440
It says we're not going to be able to do it.
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:38.559
Second class citizens.
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:39.440
We're the biggest loser.
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:40.720
Second class citizens.
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:43.839
We are the biggest loser franchise in the NBA.
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:44.720
I don't think it's close.
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:46.880
I think I'd rather be a Charlotte Hornets fan.
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.920
I'd rather be a fucking Washington Wizards fan for sure.
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:54.400
The moves that the Wizards have made the last two, three years are set up for success for the next six seasons.
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:55.359
You know what, though?
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.119
They've never been in the conference finals.
00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:58.960
The Wizards, yeah, because they're also in New York.
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:00.400
I don't think they've ever been once.
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:01.200
Nah, you know what?
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:02.319
I'll still take us over them.
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.160
The Hornets have never been to the finals.
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.079
I'll take I'll take our little ragtag.
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:07.359
You're talking history, though.
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.000
I'm talking like history.
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:11.760
What about the last 10 years?
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.960
I guess you take the big three, because the big three was pretty fun.
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:16.079
Yeah, it was fun.
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:16.559
It was great.
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:17.760
We got the troll Knicks fans.
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:20.480
We won a bunch of regular season games.
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.320
I always love to cite this.
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:30.000
The 16 games that Harden, Kyrie, and KD played together, they have the highest offensive rating in NBA history by a significant margin.
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:35.119
Only got to play 16 games together, but they were pretty damn good in the 16 they did.
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.360
I think it was like five, six years ago at this point.
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:40.480
It was so long ago.
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:41.679
It's insane.
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:42.800
It feels like it was yesterday.
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:43.679
Oh my god.
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:45.840
Um, we need is 30 for 30.
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:56.559
We oh, I was thinking, I think a mockumentary about like Nets fans would be very funny if you just had like the sad music and us just being like, you know, really, really fucking depressed.
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.119
Be like, yeah, like we watch so much.
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:04.480
We watch G-League basketball for an entire second half of a season, right?
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:14.079
You would never turn on the Long Island Nets, but we watch G League basketball and we we we sit at that screen for those five minutes, and it's like watching a loved one die.
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.320
And we just do a fucking mockumentary like that.
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:17.760
I think that would do numbies.
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.039
Um yeah, man, it's woof.
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:21.679
Alright.
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.079
Real quick, some playoff updates.
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.159
We got the Knicks, sweep the Sixers.
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:32.320
Knicks are playing the best basketball that I think we've ever seen them play from this current iteration.
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:38.320
They're gonna play the winner of Cavs Pistons, which are tied tied uh 56-52 at halftime.
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:42.320
Although that game will be done by the time you're listening to this on Tuesday morning.
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.360
Justin, who gives the Knicks a tougher time, in your opinion?
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:46.800
The Pistons or the Cavs?
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.480
Can I say our McKay Park basketball crew?
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:58.639
Like I don't think either of those teams give them a challenge.
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:00.400
Like, I it's sickening.
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:11.039
Like the the like the state of the Eastern Conference is sickening, but on a serious note, I I I guess the Pistons, because I think maybe Cade Cunningham could give some challenges.
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.039
Like, I feel like they would destroy the Cavs.
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:13.519
I don't know.
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:17.599
Like the I Harden just doesn't do it in the playoffs.
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:21.360
Although he did have a good uh game two, I guess that was the tie or game.
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:23.599
Is that game two that they tied up or game three?
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.440
They're in game four right now, so that was game three.
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:29.840
Yeah, I watched that.
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:31.199
That was that was that was pretty impressive.
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:35.199
But the game before that, he had 10 points, like seven turnovers again, like he always does in the playoffs.
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:36.880
So I don't care what he what happens to him.
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:38.719
Something clearly happens to that guy in the playoffs.
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:39.519
Like it's weird, dude.
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:40.320
I don't know.
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:46.079
Um but I guess Detroit, but even then, like what would you give Detroit?
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:47.199
One game against the Knicks?
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:48.559
I'll give him I'll give them two games.
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:50.480
I think Detroit can take two games.
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:56.800
Uh, I think Cade Cade can get them two games on his own, but after that, I do think the Knicks take it in six.
00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:02.320
Um I think it'd be tough to get to get even that one on them right now, the way they're they're rolling.
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:10.719
The only things I could see maybe hurting them is like maybe a layoff because they're playing so well and they're having such good momentum.
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.360
You know, I we've seen it before in the past.
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:20.960
I I can't I can't think of a basketball example that really comes right to mind, but I can definitely think of a baseball example with the Mets.
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:31.280
When we made the World Series in 15, we swept the Cubs and the Royals and Blue Jays put a drag it out seven-game series while we sat at home for a week, and there was a difference in game one.
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:33.760
The Royals were crisp, they were sharp, they've been playing.
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:35.760
We hadn't played in a week, and it showed.
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:37.760
And we got off to a bad start.
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:40.880
We were sloppy, we had defensive error, stuff that we weren't doing wrong.
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.599
So that's all, but even then, like I I don't have faith in Detroit, dude.
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:48.559
Like, I've been watching them a little closer now.
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:50.719
They don't really have a secondary score.
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:57.599
They're their secondary score is who's gonna get hot from three, whether it's Duncan Robinson, Tobias Harris.
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:00.159
They're relying on a cascade of guys.
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:07.199
They got Jaden Ivey, they have Isaiah Stewart, who I guess like tries to play this like tough guy role, but like he's not really that good.
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.639
Like Mitchell Robertson's like as good as him, probably.
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:11.039
Better.
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:13.920
I hope we steal Mitchell Robinson better than Isaiah Stewart.
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.880
Yeah, I hope we steal Mitchell Robinson in free agency, dude.
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:17.840
Like, I hope we get him.
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:19.280
Like, he's the only Nick I like.
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:21.519
I like I don't even like any of the other guys.
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:22.320
I actually like him.
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:26.079
But um, you know, that that's that's what I would say is like I would give.
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:26.880
What do you think, bro?
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:28.320
You think you think the Cavs or you think the best?
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.199
No, no, I I don't have any faith in the Cavs.
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.719
I think that Evan Mobley's a bust.
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:39.519
I think that uh stays the same.
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:40.400
He's fine.
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:44.480
Jared Allen, I love Jared Allen, but like he doesn't do much in the playoffs.
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:48.239
Donovan Mitchell, like I just I don't trust any of the any of the guys on those teams.
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:54.559
Like, yeah, they're all good players individually, but collectively, like you said, Detroit's beating them without a real secondary scorer.
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:57.039
Um's always missing with those guys.
00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:57.760
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:06.239
And again, they're they're a team like they should have tried to trade for MPJ, they should have tried to trade for for um Who was not Herter.
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.440
There was another player that I think the Pistons were were looking into.
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:14.320
I can't remember who, but they they needed to make a move and they really didn't at the deadline.
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:20.639
Um Yeah, I I think that the Pistons give the Knicks a oh, I wanted to shout out my brother Nick.
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:22.159
He's co-host of this this podcast.
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.119
He's usually the temporary co-host when he's available.
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:37.039
Um, he said, shout out to Malik Beasley because if Beasley doesn't get arrested for the whole gambling thing and and doesn't get the contract with Detroit, Duncan Robinson doesn't get picked up by Detroit and sign that nice deal.
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.000
And he's been he's been hooping for them in this postseason.
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:42.960
I forgot about that whole situation.
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:47.119
Malik Beasley, guy can never get it under control when he plays, he's pretty damn good.
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:48.159
He's pretty damn good.
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:50.079
And you brought up Mitchell Robinson just now.
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:52.400
I texted my Knicks fans and I said thank you.
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:01.599
Because if he had any lick of an offensive game, the Knicks wouldn't be able to afford him.
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:10.000
He would he would price them out, but because he's so flawed in those little areas, he they still think I still think he's gonna get a big contract this offseason.
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:10.960
I think he'll be pricey.
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:12.480
I think I hope we steal him.
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:13.920
We've got a ton of money to spend.
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:15.519
I would love to, I would love to grab him.
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:37.920
It would be great though if we could try a lineup with him and Claxton together, like in Claxton could play a four, you know, even though he can't shoot, like you know, going big would be great, like just have having that optionality because we haven't had that, like you know, or even like a lineup with Mitchell Robinson and Day Ron Shark, and that would be good, they would get every rebound, dude.
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:39.840
I guess, but like who are you kidding?
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.400
You think if Mitchell Robinson comes here, he's gonna be healthy for a year?
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:46.639
You think we're gonna get a healthy if he wasn't healthy over there, he's not gonna be healthy in Brooklyn.
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:52.559
I and he's he's a big trucks guy, he loves his trucks, he always talks about his fucking trucks sick.
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:53.760
Like, I mean, no, nothing against the big thing.
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:54.719
He seems like a weirdo.
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:56.800
He doesn't get um, he seems like a weird guy.
00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:59.360
He doesn't get like haircuts, he doesn't get like a shape up.
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.239
He lives in New York City, like he's making a bunch of money.
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:06.320
If you don't have a shape up and like you're playing in the NBA, something's off with you.
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.760
Like all the guys look fresh, like it's weird.
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:11.599
Yeah, he's he's been having a really good.
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:19.119
I mean, everyone on the Knicks, like ever since that game four win against the Hawks, they've just they haven't they haven't lost.
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:20.639
Sickening.
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:26.320
Uh going to the West Coast quickly, the Thunder on the verge of sweeping the Lakers.
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:28.800
I believe that game is that tonight, too?
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:29.760
Yeah, that's gonna be tonight.
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:30.960
Yeah, that's tonight.
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:31.840
That that's over.
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:33.599
That series may be done.
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:34.880
Um, not much there.
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:38.400
OKC's just look so fucking dominant through those first few rounds.
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:40.159
I I've never seen a playoff team.
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:46.320
Uh I think like maybe back in the day with the Dallas Mavericks, that team that won the whole thing, the Thunder are legitimately 12 deep.
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:47.679
It's fucking ridiculous.
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:57.039
Yeah, they everybody can shoot, dribble, pass, defend all at a high level.
00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:58.079
It's kind of crazy.
00:41:58.239 --> 00:41:58.719
It's insane.
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.239
Like they all they basically play positionless.
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:07.119
Everybody can guard one through five almost, like even their guards, they're all big, they're all aggressive.
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:08.719
I love watching them play.
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:15.679
Aaron Wiggins can't see the floor, and he probably starts on 50% of the NBA on NBA teams, but he can't see the floor.
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:17.039
I love watching them play.
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:22.480
They're all that's why like we gotta like try to we gotta talk to them and see if we can like get somebody off that roster.
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.639
Yeah, yeah, but that's the thing.
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:30.000
Presty's so smart that if we try to make a trade with them, he's gonna totally destroy us.
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.360
Yeah, probably, probably.
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:38.320
And then we got the last game, the last series is uh Spurs Wolves tied two games apiece.
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.400
That game four was insane.
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:43.119
Anthony Edwards is a dog, he pops off.
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:47.119
Wemby elbows the shit out of Nas Reed, he gets ejected.
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:52.719
Um, I still think the Spurs will probably take this in six or seven, but what are what are your thoughts on this series?
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.039
I mean, it's hard to bet against Ant-Man.
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:02.960
It really is, and I I told a couple people before that, I think I even said on this show that the the the Timberwolves have been in the conference finals two years in a row.
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:05.599
They're a battle-tested veteran squad, they play D.
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:10.400
Like you said, that they have Ant, who's you know, you're in any game with him.
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:13.039
He's proven that over the course of the last couple of years.
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:14.480
He's proven that at the Olympics.
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:18.639
I think he's probably like it's it's weird.
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:22.800
He's like really underrated, I feel like, in a in a really like weird way.
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:26.320
Like, I feel like 10-15 years ago, he would have been a massive star.
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:36.880
Like, well, and it's not it's funny you say that because like I my dad's a very casual watch, he didn't really watch, but he asked me, he's like, Who's that guy you told me about a few years ago who reminds you of Michael Jordan?
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:38.559
Just the way that they play.
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:40.400
And I was like, Anthony Edwards.
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:49.679
We have not seen a guy as athletic as MJ with that scoring ability, you know, other than Kobe, since like like Anthony Edwards is Michael Jordan in the 90s.
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.639
He's just not winning championships every single year.
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:54.559
Yeah, no, he's great.
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:56.000
Like, I I love Anthony Edwards.
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:58.000
I have a team USA t shirt jersey.
00:43:58.159 --> 00:43:59.199
I'm a big fan of that guy.
00:43:59.280 --> 00:43:59.760
Um, I think.
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:00.480
He's awesome.
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:01.920
I love his mentality, everything.
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:02.719
But like, I don't know.
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:04.960
There's always been some like I I don't know what it is.
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:06.480
Like, I don't know why he's not bigger.
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:07.920
He's got the personality.
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:08.800
I I don't know.
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:14.400
Like, somebody told me one time I think it's like a Minnesota thing, and I'm like, nah, like, because when KG was in Minnesota, he was huge.
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:16.719
Like everyone knew KG was, and he was the man.
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:18.800
Like, like my mom knew who KG was.
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.760
Like, so it's it's not like it's definitely not bad.
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:28.960
I don't know what it is, but I don't know if maybe you know the NBA is not as socially, culturally relevant as it was back then.
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:36.159
Obviously, like, you know, I don't know what it is, but it seems like he doesn't get like that same kind of buzz, that same hype.
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:40.239
He's definitely the best American player in the league right now, like by far.
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:49.440
I mean, because all the best guys are, you know, like SGA is from Canada, Jokic from Serbian, you know, Lucas from Slovenia, like all these guys are from the other countries.
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:53.119
Like, he's the best like USA born-bred player we have right now.
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:58.000
Um, so I wouldn't bet against him, but I I just think like you said, you know, San Antonio's got a little bit too much.
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:03.280
But I I would not be surprised if like Minnesota somehow like finds a way to win the series.
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.079
Um, I wouldn't be surprised if it goes seven.
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:10.639
Like, no, no outcome would really surprise me, but like I said, I think the most likely outcome is what you said.
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:12.800
San Antonio probably has too much firepower.
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:14.079
What a stupid move by Wemby.
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:15.119
He didn't have to do that, bro.
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:16.320
I don't know why he did that.
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:17.840
Loss is cool.
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:19.519
Yeah, that was a little weird.
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:21.519
Uh but I I think they're fine.
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:26.159
Do you think San Antonio can can take the thunder in the Western Conference Finals or no?
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:28.480
I don't think they're ready.
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:32.559
I know everybody's like, oh, they beat him in the regular season and shit, but I don't think that matters.
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:38.480
I mean, we beat the Heat four times in the regular season with Paul Pierce and KG, and then they swept us in the playoffs, bro.
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:41.519
Like, it doesn't, it doesn't, that shit doesn't matter.
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.800
Like, once you get to the playoffs, it's it's a different game.
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:49.920
And I don't know, like I don't think the Spurs get to like skip steps.
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:56.159
Like, every other team has to like lose a heartbreaking series as the young team and deal with it.
00:45:56.239 --> 00:46:02.079
Even the Thunderheads, so they lost to the Nuggets, they lost like two years in a row with FGA before they you know finally broke through.
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:07.840
Um, they lost to the Mavs, I think, the year before that, when the Mavs went to the finals, I think they got bounced by them.
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:12.079
So, no, I don't think the Spurs get to like skip a step and get there.
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:19.039
And I think if any team can equip the Spurs, it it is okay, C, because they have Chet, they have Hartenstein, they have size, like bangling.
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:27.519
I hate the logic you just used because what team that's left has had heartbreaking playoff series losses the last two years.
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:31.519
The New York Knicks.
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:33.360
I know.
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:36.320
So, based on your logic, they've already lost.
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.159
They've lost the heartbreakers.
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:39.599
Now they just gotta win it.
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:40.480
Oh, that kills me.
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:41.599
By the way, you brought up the city.
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:44.000
But I think I it's I think they are going to the finals, though.
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:44.880
I mean, we gotta accept that.
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:46.960
I'm with you right now, we gotta accept it.
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:50.000
We just gotta hope whoever comes out of the west, you know, gets it done for us.
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:50.480
That's it.
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:54.079
I I just saw the Knicks have the second best odds to win it all after the Thunder.
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:57.360
Those are those are recently uh recalculated by Vegas.
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:05.199
Um, before I forget, Paul Pierce, you brought him up, former Brooklyn net, massive Knicks hater, which I fucking love.
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.119
I don't know if you pay attention to the shit he says.
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:12.000
I don't know if he says it outside of social media, but he basically Yeah, on TV, it comes through.
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:13.199
Same with Richard Jefferson.
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.360
Like I've heard like you know, you can tell.
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:21.760
Pierce is still doubling, tripling down on the concept that the Knicks are somehow gonna blow it.
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:23.599
And he's like, something's gonna happen.
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:25.280
They're not winning a championship.
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:32.880
Some guy's leg's gonna fall off in in the fucking the Eastern Conference Finals, like something will happen that will prevent them from winning it all.
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:34.559
So I hope he's right.
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:43.280
All I could do is knock on wood, bro, and and hope you know we get a break because that would just be the the worst having to see that on top of it.
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:49.840
Paul Pierce is one of those guys, like I feel like Nets fans gotta like because we used to dominate him when it was his Celtics team.
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:54.800
And then obviously you get Garnett and Allen, they break through, they win the championship, but we sucked when that happened.
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:56.400
So it wasn't like you know it wasn't.
00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:58.000
Yeah, no, they weren't beating us.
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:05.599
And then and then him and KG come to Brooklyn, and even though they weren't that good anymore, they fully embraced being Nets, at least for the minimal time.
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:07.280
I have no problem with those guys.
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.559
Like Nets fans that complain about that era, I think they're like out of pocket.
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:11.679
Like, I have no problem.
00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:15.199
Like, like you said, they embraced it, they played hard, they didn't mail it in.
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.320
It wasn't like they like came in and were like, oh, we're veterans at the end of our career.
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:19.119
Nah, fuck that.
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:20.559
They went to the playoffs both years.
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.320
We had them, they took that shit serious.
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.079
They beat the Raptors.
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:25.920
Definitely, definitely.
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:27.599
Pierce called game.
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:31.199
And you know, they they they they that was with the Wizards.
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:32.239
Then that was with the Wizards.
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:38.639
Yeah, that was he was with the Wizards when he called game, but it I think when he said he he stuffed punch shots, yeah.
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.639
I think he said like this is my house or something, but yeah, no, shout out, shout out.
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:46.000
Shout out I saw Joe on those teams too.
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:46.719
That was my guy.
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:48.639
He was always great to come through those punch roles.
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:49.440
I love Joe Johnson.
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.079
Are you are you gonna die in Brooklyn or not?
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:57.679
You know, I didn't mind him, but like obviously, but it ended pretty awful.
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:03.119
But um, I like that I like when he first came and he played pretty well with us, but it didn't end great.
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:06.480
He fizzled out, he fizzled out like a soda going flat.
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:07.599
Um you know what?
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:13.119
I the one thing I always like was at peace with the D Will thing is that like at least he didn't go somewhere else after and he had stuff in the tank.
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:13.760
He just saw it.
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.079
Oh, yeah, he was like he was cooked, yeah.
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:17.840
So like that would have that would have made me more pissed.
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.719
If he went somewhere after and like had a resurgence, I would be like, Fuck you.
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:22.320
Like he was cooked.
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:26.159
We're gonna end the show with with a little food stuff for those who listen.
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:30.159
By the way, I meant to mention this earlier, and I'm sorry I'm doing at the very end of the episode.
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:32.880
Uh Justin mentioned McKay hoops before.
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:38.480
If you're an inconsistent listener to the show and didn't listen to episode 251, you can go back, listen right now.
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.920
Justin is a guy I play pickup hoops with, so Justin knows ball.
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:43.440
All right, he's a diehard Nets fan.
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:45.199
We hoop at McKay in Englewood.
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.119
Shout out to all the homies that hooped there.
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:50.239
Um, but yeah, we're gonna end this pod with a little bit of food.
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:54.880
Food stuff, because I know Justin's a food guy, and we're gonna we're gonna get into it.
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:58.239
So I pretty much just have one question.
00:49:58.480 --> 00:49:59.440
Ask two questions.
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:02.239
What are your top three favorite kinds of pizza?
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:04.400
Talking kinds of pizza here, Justin.
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:05.360
Give me your top three.
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:08.559
That's a great question.
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:10.719
Especially living where we live.
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.719
You know, it's like it's like a embarrassment of riches around here.
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:21.280
But I think my my number one go-to is probably just gotta be like an old school sausage pie.
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:24.719
Okay, you know, just something nice, crispy, sausage.
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.360
Second, no, no doubt, is margarita.
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:31.840
I love margarita pizza, like like especially if it's really good.
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:39.199
And then I'd say in the last like five years, I've gotten really, really into white, white pizza.
00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:41.119
Like a good white pie, bro.
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:45.599
Like um, you know, Vesta in East Rutherford, shout out Vesta.
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:48.000
My first date there with my wife.
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:50.400
Oh, wow, that's a good spot.
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:51.280
That's a good spot.
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.199
Vesta's a great spot, they make great food.
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:54.239
Shout out Vesta.
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:57.679
They got a great white pie that I get with chicken cutlet.
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:00.159
Amazing, bro.
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:01.360
I like that, bro.
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:04.159
All right, my top three favorite kinds of pizza.
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:07.840
I would say, you ever have like a square grandma pie?
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:09.679
Oh, yeah.
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:11.599
I used to be a pizza man back in the day.
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:12.400
I used to make one.
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.320
Square grandma, like kind of my version of a margarita that I fucking love.
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:18.480
Uh, yeah, you got the plum tomato sauce.
00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:23.679
It's not as thick as a Sicilian, it's a little bit thinner, but still thick enough to get the job done.
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:24.960
So, number one is grandma.
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:26.960
Number two, fuck.
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:29.519
I'll uh because I love pizza too much.
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:33.760
Um number two, I'll go personal plain pie.
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:34.159
That's it.
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:38.400
Just a personal, like, I'm talking ten, four, four slices.
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:40.880
Um, you're familiar with Anthony Franco's?
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:42.400
Yeah, of course.
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.840
So, like growing up, bro, when I was like 15 years old, I wasn't even a fat kid.
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:46.480
That's the sad thing.
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:47.280
I was a skinny kid.
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.719
I got fat in college, but uh yeah, I'm the reverse.
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:54.800
I was fat and then I got skinny as an adult, but I still eat a bunch of pizza.
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:57.519
I'd be like 15, it'd be a half day.
00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:58.639
All the kids would go somewhere.
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:01.920
I'd just go home and order a personal pie and garlic knots from Anthony Franco's.
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:03.360
Shout out to Anthony Franco's.
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:06.719
Um and then my can't go wrong there, dude.
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:10.239
My third pie, oof, I got like three or four different kinds in my head.
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:11.760
It's so tough, man.
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:17.679
I'll go a really good Neapolitan pie.
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:20.320
So the one that's cooked in the fucking oven, bro.
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.519
Like what's what's said is uh I live very close to a spot.
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:31.440
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna call them out because I don't want to hurt their business, but uh they're they're known for their Neapolitan pies, and like they're not great.
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:32.639
They're they're okay.
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:35.119
Um I think I know the place you're talking about.
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.559
I won't I won't knock them either, but I I I would have to agree with that sentiment.
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:39.760
Yeah, it's not the best.
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:44.159
Bro, I was in the what about a nice vodka uh drunken grandma?
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:45.119
I I do like that much.
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:50.000
Yeah, vodka pies are good, but I'm just such a classic guy.
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.199
Like, give me tomato sauce over vodka for pizza any day of the week.
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:58.239
See, I used to be a really big Sicilian guy, like when I was when I was like a when I was a bigger guy.
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:00.719
Now I still eat them every once in a while, but I don't know.
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:02.719
Like now it just seems like so much.
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:07.920
But yeah, I know we were we were talking about it um, you know, off off the show, but shout out Donna's and Pal Park.
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:09.679
Donna's is a great old school Sicilian.
00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:11.599
Yeah, Donna's is a great spot.
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:14.559
And like like I said, you know, old school sausage pie.
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:16.880
Like I was saying in my number one, like Donna's great.
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:22.079
Like if you're just getting to just want a straight up banging like jersey style pie, definitely.
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.039
You know, you also can't go wrong with like the bar style, like Kinsley's.
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:25.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.079
That was you know, like I was trying to think about it.
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:28.880
I forgot about that.
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:32.559
You know, that would probably honestly be my number one if I'm really like thinking about it now.
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:33.039
Okay.
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:38.639
Like a Kinsley's bar pie would probably be my number one, and then like progressively with the rest of my list.
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.280
Because like if you're asking me, like, hey, you know, what are you like?
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.239
I'm I would love a Kinschley's bar pie and go for pretty much anything.
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:46.480
Like, that's yeah.
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:51.360
I had one of the best Neapolitan pizzas of my life last week when I was in Spain.
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:54.639
I bet I bet you probably had some really good food there, bro.
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:59.199
Mainly Spanish food, but the pizza I had was was fucking incredible.
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:04.079
Um, and then the one you know, one that's kind of caught my my eye the last few years.
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:08.079
I wouldn't necessarily put in top three, but you ever have Detroit style?
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:11.280
Bro, I love Detroit style pizza.
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:15.360
There's a spot in Manhattan called uh Lions, Tigers, and Squares.
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:16.239
Yes, had it.
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:16.960
Had it.
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:35.360
Yeah, yo, so I used to go there actually um on my way back from the Nets games because I used to have to hit the tunnel and I would drive through Midtown to go there, but they fell off the last couple years when they first came out like seven years ago, I want to say, yeah, bro, it was amazing.
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:39.119
Like during the pandemic, I used to take trips over the tunnel to grab Lions, Tigers, and Squares.
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It was that good.
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I love Detroit style pizza.
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Detroit style.
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I probably haven't had that.
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I had that place once, four or five years ago, and it was still pretty good.
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So I guess they they fell off the last few years.
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Pizza Night makes a good Detroit style.
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All right, I'm gonna turn you on to a really good Detroit style.
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You ready?
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Yeah.
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Pizza Side in Cliffside Park.
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Is that like a newer spot?
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Last few years they opened.
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Their regular pizza's okay.
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I'm not gonna be like, yo, go get they make a Detroit style that pound for pound, probably the best I've had in Bergen County.
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Better than pizza nights.
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Have you tried pizza nights?
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Pizza Knights isn't bad, but they kind of make the crust a little bit harder than it needs to be.
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A Detroit side.
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I like that though.
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The one for pizza side is a little bit more crunchy, it's a little bit less hard.
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But it's perfect.
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It's very check, check it out.
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Pizza side, I it's like a 20-minute drive for me, but uh, yeah, that's you get you get the Detroit, you get the Detroit just plain, or do you get like uh do you get you get a I get all three?
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I get the the plain, I get the one with hot pep and the little whip ragoat, and then I get um we get a white pie too, because my wife likes white.
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Yeah, like when I used to go to Lions, Tigers, and Squares, I would get the um, they had the vodka with the Ricot one, they got the white, and then I would get a I would change it up for the third one either.
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I would either get um like meatball, they make a great meatball, like I would get like a classic, just pepperoni.
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Yeah, yeah.
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On the Detroit style, I wouldn't get a meatball, like a regular pie, but on the Detroit style, it hits.
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I feel you.
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All right, final food question.
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What is your least favorite kind of pizza?
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If like someone's like, yo, we're getting this pizza, you're like, ugh.
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You know, I'm not I'm not a big fan of this, might be unpopular.
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I'm not a big fan of like the chain pizza places.
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Like, you know, like if like people at work, like sometimes I'll order like Pizza Hut or something.
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I'm not maybe like once a year, I'll get like a weird craving for like something off one of those menus that's not pizza and be like, hey, we're getting Pizza Hut or we're getting Domino's.
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But I don't really like those.
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And then I don't know, bro.
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Like, I don't really like uh anything like with seafood.
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Like I love seafood and I'll eat any other like seafood, but I don't like it on pizza, man.
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Like, there's something about it that just like because if you don't eat it right then on spot, it feels weird.
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And like pizza to me, like I should be able to go back reheated, you know, throw a slice in the toaster oven and not miss a beat.
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You know, like I should be able to pop that in at least the next day, maybe even two.
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I feel like with a with a seafood slice, if you get like some scallops or something, like you gotta eat that right when it's served, bro.
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Like, or it's over.
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It's gotta be a personal 10 inch.
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You can't get a pie of that shit because it's not unless you're housing it, bro.
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Well, what do you how do you feel about like a white clam pie?
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Because those are actually pretty popular in the in the Jersey bar scene.
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So I actually I like a white clam pie, but the thing is that you gotta eat it.
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Like, I I wouldn't I wouldn't want to face a whole pie of that.
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I like you know, like if if I'm with a group of guys and like we're each getting a different pie, we're trying from each other, cool, but like that's more for me like a sample one.
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:45.679
I wouldn't want because I even like the um, I don't know if you like you like the Connecticut style pizza.
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I kind of a fan of the Connecticut style.
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I've had it like three times in my life.
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It's alright, it's not bad.
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I like I like it a little more than that for sure.
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But um, I like it a little more than the alright, but that that's a big pie for them, too.
00:57:59.360 --> 00:57:59.920
And it's the same thing.
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Like it's gotta be on spot, you know.
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The white clam.
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No, I feel you.
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Uh Cassie's in Englewood does does a decent, like, personal white clam pie.
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I'll get it every now and again.
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I do prefer like a standard pizza, but if I'm looking to switch it up and you know have something different, um, all right, seafood on pizza is not your thing.
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:17.760
I I fucking hate veggie pizza.
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I think I think putting a bunch of raw vegetables on a slice of pizza completely ruins the pizza for me.
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You don't taste the cheese and the sauce, you just taste the vegetables.
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Well, if it's just spinach, I'm alright with that.
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:31.679
But like what about a white slice but like spinach?
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I'm into that.
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:41.280
But when someone gets a veggie pie and it's assorted vegetables that just are like take up all the real estate on the pizza, get that either.
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:43.360
Yeah, I don't like that either.
00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:44.800
Like, yeah, that's too much.
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:45.360
Nah.
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Give me less is more on the slice.
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And then the other thing I'll say is like most standard European pizza out of Italy, so like basically all the a lot of the other pizza in Spain that I would look at is ass.
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Because every restaurant in Europe has pizza.
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Like all the cat, like you can get it anywhere, but for the for the majority, it it's terrible.
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They don't know how to do the crust out in Europe.
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I don't know why.
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So pizza, not like I guess I don't really travel that much in the US to other states, but pizza outside of New York, New Jersey, mainly in Europe, ass.
00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:19.599
Yeah, no, I agree.
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:22.480
Yeah, no, I've been I've barely been out of the United States.
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I've only been out of the country once in my life, literally for like a week.
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:34.239
But I've been to a lot of states in the United States and pizza outside of New York, New Jersey, and I will give a shout out to our neighbors in Connecticut.
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:36.559
I'm a little higher on that pizza than you are.
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:40.159
Um Connecticut can get a seat at the table for me there.
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But uh outside of that, pizza sucks in the other states, bros.
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Especially in Florida.
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:47.679
Especially in Florida.
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Love my boys.
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:55.920
Love my UMass alumni out there in Massachusetts, but those four years, I have fucking.
00:59:56.239 --> 00:59:56.960
Oh, they're pizza suck.
00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:59.519
Bro, I went to college in Scrain, Pennsylvania.
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:00.960
You had better than I did.
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That's tough.
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:05.599
Nah, I feel like Philly's closer to good pizza than Massachusetts is.
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:07.440
Oh, we're nowhere near Philly, bro.
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:08.320
We're in Scrain.
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:10.719
We're in the middle of nowhere, bro.
01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:13.440
We're in the middle of nowhere.
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:15.119
Alright.
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That does it for episode 252, Spenny and the Nets.
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Justin, any final words out there.
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:23.199
I need I need the final words, brother.
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What are we giving Nets fans before we end the pod?
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Nets fans, all I have to say is hang in there.
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We're built for this.
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We've seen dark days and darker and darker.
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And hopefully one of these years we snap out of it.
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:58.719
And let's just hope that Sean Marks feels the pressure, feels that this is it, and has the summer of his life because I'm tired of watching the bullshit.
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I know you are too.
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I know all all 17 or 18 of us are, and it's time that we put an end to this shit and get a roster together that we can at least be somewhat excited about.
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That's my message to Nets fans.
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Hang in there.
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Let's try to remain somewhat excited.
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On the flip side, if the Nets don't make the playoffs next year, I think Sean Marks is gone, and you're we're gonna have to start over with a new GM who we hopefully don't hate and doesn't keep us in mediocrity.
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All right.
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Thanks to everyone for listening to Ep 252.
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Once again, I'm Spenny on Spenny and the Nets.
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That's Justin G.
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He's a recurring guest, and we'll catch you guys on the fireside.
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Ba ball!