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00:00:42.719Hey everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the Speak Plainly Podcast, where we speak plainly about things that matter.
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00:00:48.399I'm your host, Owl Medicine, and in today's podcast, I have a special treat for you.
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00:00:52.079Today, I'm interviewing actually my partner, Michael.
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00:01:04.640And the reason we're doing this interview is because he decided to go down and be the sole protester at a Charlie Kirk rally that happened in our little small town yesterday.
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00:01:15.439And the the goings on that happened around that just before that and since then have been kind of mad, like truly mad.
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00:01:31.599So I wanted to talk to him about his experience because he had his he had a speaker kicked down the steps, off of the ledge, down the steps, and had somebody else throw his speaker on top of the roof after that dude was like, Why is your side so violent?
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00:01:39.359Um, and by the way, the lady who kicked his speaker off of the cliff down to the bottom had an I Love Jesus hat.
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00:01:45.760So today we're going to explore what happens when bigots gather in small towns.
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00:01:48.000Welcome, Michael.
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00:01:49.280Hello, thank you.
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00:01:53.040I wanted to ask you about your experience there.
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00:01:56.319Um why did you go down to the Charlie Kirk rally?
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00:01:57.200What did you do?
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00:02:00.079Tell me about it.
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00:02:04.799Well, I had planned on going to the Charlie Kirk rally.
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00:02:08.159Um I made the decision to go the day before.
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00:02:17.919Um and then that night I had a crazy dream, kind of similar to what a lot of people are experiencing right now, being um chased around by ice.
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00:02:19.439Like I was one of those people in that dream.
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00:02:23.599So I woke up, just very charged, I'm like very motivated.
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00:02:26.479Um and so I just wanted to go and be a presence there.
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00:02:35.360I didn't believe I would be the only one, just being a presence of opposition to uh a hate group fomenting in our town.
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00:02:39.680Yeah, so I wanted to go and just um kind of just be a little bit of a thorn.
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00:02:42.719I didn't want to go and be a huge disruption.
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00:02:44.800I you know, I I didn't want to cause any trouble.
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00:02:46.560I was wasn't there to argue with anyone.
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00:02:52.879I was literally just there to, on repeat, just play this song called Um The Day the Nazi Died by Chumbawamba.
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00:02:53.520That was my plan.
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00:02:58.719I had a sign that said um, no Nazis, no kings, no fascist ideology.
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00:03:02.479I was perched up kind of up above the rally.
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00:03:05.199There's a staircase that leads up to a landing.
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00:03:08.000And so I was up on this staircase landing.
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00:03:11.120I had my speaker and I had my sign, I flipped it over the edge.
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00:03:21.759Right when I got there, a couple people yelling down from the rally were like, We're not Nazis, and I was like, That's good, and you know, we're we're here for free speech.
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00:03:23.120And it's like, yeah, me too.
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00:03:30.400And, you know, uh I would walk by someone and be like, hello, fellow American, and you know, people would come up and be like, What are you doing?
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00:03:33.919I'm like, Oh, I'm just here, you know, exercising my free riot like you guys are.
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00:03:35.919You know, that's what's so great about America, right?
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00:03:40.159Is that we can all just safely gather, and you know, we don't want to lose that, right?
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00:03:44.240We really don't want to lose this unique, lovely thing about America.
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00:03:52.240You know, just all the talking points that, you know, we all try to adhere to, as the the good things about America, you know, that you can gather, that you can talk.
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00:03:53.840Yes, that's like the setup.
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00:03:56.400I mean, that's pretty cool.
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00:04:02.319And I feel like it's it it's good that someone like you went, because you are a a a pretty reserved person.
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00:04:05.840You're not a a a pot stirrer like that.
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00:04:06.240Yeah, no.
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00:04:09.840Usually when I go to a protest, it's like the tipping points already happened.
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00:04:12.879Like I'm I'm there with the majority, you know.
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00:04:17.519So this was like my first time being the only person protesting something.
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00:04:18.959It's different, isn't it?
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00:04:28.639It was um it was very interesting, and it felt even more important that I was there when I realized that no one else was like just being a presence or even anything.
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00:04:35.839So when I first got to the rally, you know, I I went down a r around just to make sure that it is what I thought it was, that it was a turning point rally.
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00:04:39.439I saw some people with signs standing right by the street, and I got really excited.
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00:04:43.920I was like, oh good, someone is is protesting, and nope, it was it was not.
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00:04:45.040So I was like, okay.
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00:04:50.959So uh, you know, I went up back to my car, grabbed my sign, hung it over the edge, and started playing my music.
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00:04:56.000Okay, well, let's play them the music that you chose.
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00:05:02.319So there's this, like I said, there's a song called Um The Day They Died, or The Day the Nazi Died.
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00:05:08.720It's kind of um it was originally called Nazi by Chumbawamba, and so we'll play it for you now.
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00:05:14.319This version is by Sarah Hester Ross, who's a great um who's a great singer, and I found her on Instagram.
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00:05:20.079We're told that after the war the Nazis vanished without a trace.
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00:05:25.920But battalions of fascists still dream of a master race.
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00:05:31.120The history books they tell us of their defeat in 45.
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00:05:37.120And they all came out of the woodworks on the day the Nazi died.
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00:05:40.079This world is riddled with maggots.
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00:05:42.639The maggots are getting fat.
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00:05:53.279They're taking over our churches and they're filled with fat and pride.
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00:05:58.959And they all came out of the woodworks on the day the Nazi died.
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00:06:05.439So if you meet with these historians, I'll tell you what to say.
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00:06:19.279Tell them that the Nazis never really went to the line.
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00:06:32.959Damn.
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00:06:48.160So yeah, I mean honestly, hearing that today after being there yesterday, listening to that the whole time, almost brings a little tears to my eyes just because if you're offended by that song, what does that say about you?
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00:06:58.800So um, so I had this song and three others by um by or two others by it was the same song by three artists.
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00:07:01.199I had this playlist looping on repeat.
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00:07:05.519Yeah, and so I was just there with that sign and a Bluetooth speaker that unfortunately wasn't loud enough.
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00:07:13.360So I'm I'm there and first person who comes up to me is this kind of um about my age, some like kind of dad-looking dude.
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00:07:18.160And um he comes up and he goes, Oh, you know, we can't really hear, we can't really hear your music.
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00:07:21.920And I was like, Oh, bummer, alright, well, you know, I'm just doing what I can.
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00:07:23.600And he's like, Well, what are you doing here?
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00:07:28.560So I said, Oh, well, I'm just, you know, kind of being a counter presence to what's going on.
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00:07:35.519And and then immediately another woman comes up, and uh, she's an older, older woman, I think probably like a great grandma.
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00:07:36.959She comes up and she's very friendly.
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00:07:38.240She's like, I just have to talk to you.
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00:07:47.759And so I, you know, I shake her hand and you know, she pets my dog, and we're like all chummy, and um, you know, she just got and I just want to I just want to tell you about you know a little bit about myself.
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00:07:50.959I'm I'm I'm basically I'm a I'm a Peterson.
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00:07:53.279My my great-grandmother was Minnie.
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00:07:56.000My great-grandmother was Minnie Peterson.
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00:07:58.639Um and I was like, oh, I know Minnie Peterson.
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00:08:00.560That that was the the High Divide book.
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00:08:03.759So there's this book called High Divide, Minnie Peterson's Olympic Mountain Adventures.
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00:08:08.399Minnie Peterson is this woman who I was talking to's great-grandmother or grandmother.
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00:08:11.279They were the first white settlers of Forks, right?
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00:08:13.199Which she made which she made sure to tell me.
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00:08:23.759She made sure to tell me about how friendly they were with the Cool U kids and how, you know, welcoming they were to people of other colors and all of that.
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00:08:31.600And, you know, she made sure to tell me that her her great-grandfather or grandfather, I can't quite remember, fought fought in World War II, and I was like, yeah, that's yeah, that's good.
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00:08:37.600And then at a certain later point, she made sure to mention that he was on the the side of of the Nazis.
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00:08:49.039I felt in a in a way specifically that she told me that she wanted to make sure that I understand that his involvement was necessary, that he he had to fight on the side of the Nazis.
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00:08:52.559That there was no other choice, they were in Croatia or something.
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00:08:54.879You know, she said if you didn't fight, you'd you know, you died.
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00:08:58.799You know, it only it only gets to that point after enough people stop speaking up.
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00:09:10.720So that's a large reason why I wanted to be there, because if we start speaking up, we get to the point where you have to be conscripted into your nation's military to commit atrocities, and there's nothing you can do about it.
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00:09:11.440Exactly.
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00:09:17.279At least right now, all of these jackasses who are in ICE are volunteering.
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00:09:17.919Right.
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00:09:19.919You know, they're not being voluntold yet.
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00:09:21.039No, they're absolutely volunteering.
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00:09:23.919And that's worse in some ways.
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00:09:25.200I mean it's how it starts.
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00:09:27.039Right, it's of course, it's how it starts.
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00:09:35.679And like I I wanted to bring up that this song by Chumbo Wambo, The Day the Nazi died, it was written in 1987, which is the year that I was born, which I like that.
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00:09:37.440That's like neither here nor there.
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00:10:01.120But what's interesting about it, and why it was so pertinent to like the moment, is this was a Charlie Kirk rally, it was held on his birthday, and it was meant to be the it was the kickoff rally for the local people who were wanting to start a chapter of Turning Point USA, which is Charlie Kirk's like group organization thing that he started.
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00:10:04.240And like this all happened.
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00:10:10.639Turning point spread even more and became like a a a focus of the nation because Charlie Kirk died.
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00:10:28.240And what's really funny about this song is this song came out in 1987 as a response to every one of these neo-Nazis who came out in droves to celebrate and mourn the death of a known Nazi, Rudolf Hess.
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00:10:38.639He was a high-ranking Nazi official who died in '87, and suddenly all of these neo-Nazis came out of the woodwork, and that's why they wrote it.
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00:10:41.679And this is exactly what's happened with Charlie Kirk.
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00:10:47.519And the the worst part of all of this is these people have no idea that they're fascists.
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00:10:49.919They have no idea that they're Nazis.
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00:10:59.840This is like my problem with all of this, is their faith leader is a local musician who leads a really awesome local band.
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00:11:01.120There's two lead singers.
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00:11:07.919And on his Facebook page it says like he says, like, artist something in like in unity.
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00:11:12.960But he's a three-time Trump voter, which okay.
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00:11:42.879But if you're still supporting him right now with what's happening in the world, with ICE, with what he's done to the constitution, with with with firing, um, and uh with uh unseating uh like uh elected officials, unseating elected officials and kicking judges out of their positions as judges because they ruled against something, and him actively firing anybody, even these comedians, pressuring companies to fire all these people about free speech.
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00:11:52.080This guy pretends that he's about free speech while supporting a president who is obviously culling any speech that doesn't align with him.
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00:12:12.799And this is my issue because like the number of messages I've got like and I've and comments I've gotten in the last couple of days about you should keep politics out of music because I made a post about this when I realized that he was leading, he was he volunteered to be the faith leader of this turning point USA chapter that's starting in our little small hometown.
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00:12:15.840Yep, I was like, absolutely not.
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00:12:17.440Like, that's not okay.
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00:12:21.759I don't want a turning point chapter started here for a plethora of reasons.
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00:12:24.159And if there is gonna be one, there's gonna be opposition.
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00:12:25.279Right, exactly.
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00:12:26.639And they need to know that.
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00:12:37.679And I think the fact that you were the sole like pro um protester there shows that people are afraid.
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00:12:48.879I've gotten so many messages thanking me for calling him out that people didn't know that he was MAGA, that he did that they didn't know he supported ICE, and they're not going to his shows anymore.
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00:12:51.840Like they're which is marvelous.
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00:12:53.039This is what we want.
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00:12:57.840This is what I mean, it's what the the conservatives are doing all of the time.
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00:13:03.279Every chance that they get when some liberal says something they don't like, they dox them.
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00:13:22.000Five days after Charlie Kirk was shot, I got an article saying there were 66,000 liberals who were doxed, and dozens of them had already lost their jobs and been put on uh put on um put on furlough and all kinds of crap just because they laughed at a dead Nazi.
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00:13:29.200The way that I laughed at a dead Nazi, and I got so much venom from all of these what I call sleepy Nazis.
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00:13:31.759It's really dangerous.
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00:13:33.200It's so dangerous.
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00:13:51.360And this is like you've heard me talk on here before about the first settlers principle when I talk about American Nations by Colin Woodard and how he like maps out what the different unique cultures of America, North America are from east to west as it spread over time.
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00:14:06.080And if the first like the and the principle, the first settlers principle is basically that the first people who settle an area with agriculture become the dominant culture, even when they are no longer the dominant demographic, their culture remains a dominant culture.
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00:14:09.679In this case, a Nazi settled forks.
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00:14:11.759Like a literal Nazi.
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00:14:13.519That's that's what I'm inferring.
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00:14:17.360That's what that's that's yeah, that's what we're putting together from her own story.
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00:14:25.679That's wild, bro.
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00:14:27.600Yeah, that's wild, bro.
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00:14:33.200Because like we know that the Nazis didn't just disappear, we gave them new jobs in new places.
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00:14:43.440I've got a whole podcast I'm planning on doing about how all of the Nazis went from went from Germany and got shipped to elsewhere and what what they continued to work on after Argentina and NASA.
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00:14:46.720Argentina and NASA, those are the two biggest ones, absolutely.
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00:14:58.639And we know this, like these are facts, and this is the problem that I have with conservatives, and I've talked on here before that conservatives, if you like we have a ton of data to show they're more homogenous in their beliefs.
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00:15:00.639That's why they're way better at organizing.
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00:15:04.159They're way better at organizing because they all believe the same way.
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00:15:10.000And they all believe the same way because they're just believing what they were told as children.
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00:15:11.360That's it.
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00:15:16.480They're there they believe conservative American values through and through, the way that I did.
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00:15:37.600I believed in Americans' conservative values through and through, all the way up till I was 19 and still believed I could pray the gay away and broke up with my first boyfriend because I wanted to give praying the gay away another try, even though I'd already done fasting and praying, and then a fasting a seven-day fast while praying, hoping and believing.
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00:15:48.320I really truly believed that I would be the person to lead the charge for the entire nation that being gay is a choice and praying the gay away is a possibility.
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00:15:49.200Yeah.
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00:15:50.639But it's not.
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00:15:51.200No.
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00:15:58.399Which is why we have all of this evidence all over the news all the time about it's these homophobes who are like secretly gay.
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00:16:02.000Well, it's why the Republican National Convention crashes grinder wherever they go.
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00:16:03.039Everywhere they go.
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00:16:03.360Yeah.
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00:16:04.480Everywhere they go.
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00:16:08.000And that's why they believe that there is a choice, because they're making a choice.
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00:16:08.559Exactly.
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00:16:15.919Because they have the they have the the the natural instinct to want to get railed in the butt, but they just choose not to.
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00:16:17.840And so they just don't.
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00:16:20.720And so they believe that it is a choice because they're making a choice.
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00:16:21.120Right.
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00:16:23.519And it's like, yeah, lying is a choice.
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00:16:25.679That's what it boils down to.
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00:16:26.799Lying is a choice.
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00:16:27.519Yeah.
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00:16:30.639So wow, what a mess.
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00:16:32.639Like, what a freaking mess.
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00:16:36.240I have no interest in having turning point USA here.
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00:16:40.480And I'm like, thank you for going there and being that presence.
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00:16:40.720Yeah.
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00:16:42.879Genuinely, from the bottom of my heart.
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00:16:43.200Yeah.
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00:16:44.320I was shocked.
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00:16:50.159I was genuinely shocked when I walked in and like saw your sign and was like, who this?
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00:16:55.279Because I've never seen you like like you said, critical mass.
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00:16:58.879By the time you get involved, it's like it's it's critical mass.
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00:17:00.879But it hits different, don't it?
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00:17:01.279Yeah.
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00:17:04.160Like when you're sitting there alone and surrounded.
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00:17:06.960Okay, so tell me about So I'll keep going.
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00:17:09.759Yeah, tell me about the Jesus Lady or Well, I'll I'll get to that.
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00:17:14.000But um so I'm talking with the pe one of the Petersons.
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00:17:14.400Okay.
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00:17:20.799One of the one of the one of the descendants of the people who founded Forks, however you want to frame that.
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00:17:21.599Right.
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00:17:29.759Before we finish talking, I I think, you know, we say something like, like it's important for us to be able to be in public spaces and have free speech.
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00:17:36.559The guy who ha who came up immediately to where I was, he goes, Well, then why is your side so violent?
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00:17:48.880And I go, Well, actually, like there's a study that was just removed from the White House.gov website showing that most political violence is actually committed by conservative right wing By right.
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00:17:50.079Right wing extremists.
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00:17:50.799Right, right.
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00:17:53.519Right wing white extremists.
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00:17:54.64097.
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00:17:55.119Yeah.
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00:17:56.400White right wing extreme.
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00:17:58.559We might as well call it the white w the white wing.
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00:17:58.960Right.
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00:18:00.880It sh it oughta just be the white wing.
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00:18:01.279Yeah.
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00:18:09.200So so I tell him that, and he goes, Oh, you're you're that's ridiculous, and and at that point I go in my mind, well, there's no point arguing with this person.
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00:18:09.680Right.
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00:18:22.160He's he's here to get a rise out of me so that he can have the power, I can do something quote unquote bad that puts me in a bad position and spins everything out.
00:18:22.400 -->
00:18:28.000So so he goes, Joseph, you know, I have some statistics, you know, I that I could show you, and would you look at them?
00:18:28.079 -->
00:18:37.119And I go, I'm sorry, but it's just that we're at this point now where I'm gonna have facts, you're gonna have facts, and we're gonna both call each other's facts false.
00:18:37.359 -->
00:18:37.599Yeah.
00:18:37.839 -->
00:18:43.279I'm just here to be uh a presence, I'm not here to argue, I'm not gonna argue with you.
00:18:43.440 -->
00:18:48.720You can continue talking, you can continue talking to me, but I'm not gonna really interact with you.
00:18:48.880 -->
00:18:49.759You do your thing.
00:18:50.000 -->
00:19:02.880So he just continues to kind of talk at me, talk at me, kind of trying to get a rise out of me by questioning, you know, my masculinity or my courage or a whole number of things that I really and I just there singing along to the lyrics.
00:19:03.039 -->
00:19:05.119Yeah, bobbing my head.
00:19:05.359 -->
00:19:09.920Yeah, just singing along and petting my dog and being like, oh, you know, and I and you know how I talk to my dog.
00:19:10.000 -->
00:19:13.599Yeah, you know, so like I'm just obviously not threatening, right?
00:19:13.759 -->
00:19:15.839Like I'm like, sorry, honey, we can't go yet.
00:19:15.920 -->
00:19:18.079We've got time to go, we have to stay.
00:19:18.319 -->
00:19:20.799You know, she like jumps up on me and giving her kisses.
00:19:20.960 -->
00:19:22.640It's obvious the dog, not the lady.
00:19:22.799 -->
00:19:23.599The my dog, yeah.
00:19:24.160 -->
00:19:28.079It's obviously I'm not there to um incite any violence.
00:19:28.240 -->
00:19:28.480Right.
00:19:28.640 -->
00:19:30.880You know, but he he won't leave, and that's fine.
00:19:30.960 -->
00:19:33.680Um but then another older woman walks up.
00:19:34.000 -->
00:19:35.519She wants to she wants to talk.
00:19:35.599 -->
00:19:36.559I'm like, okay, absolutely.
00:19:36.640 -->
00:19:43.920She has the dog, and you know, we're talking about dogs, and she's a dog trainer, and and we just talk for we just kind of bullshit back and forth.
00:19:44.079 -->
00:19:48.480Again, I'm not trying to have a I'm gonna change your mind kind of conversation.
00:19:48.640 -->
00:19:50.000Like I don't really believe that's possible.
00:19:50.319 -->
00:19:51.119Right, not at this point.
00:19:51.599 -->
00:19:52.160And I tell her that.
00:19:52.319 -->
00:19:54.160She goes, Well, well, what do you think this is about?
00:19:54.319 -->
00:20:02.799And I, well, Charlie Kirk was racist, bigoted, spreads hate, and she goes, Well, I don't know what racism is.
00:20:02.960 -->
00:20:03.519What is it?
00:20:03.680 -->
00:20:06.079And I basically go, You're an adult.
00:20:06.160 -->
00:20:07.759You you know what racism is.
00:20:08.079 -->
00:20:08.240Right.
00:20:08.559 -->
00:20:10.720And she goes, Yeah, but I don't know what you mean by racism.
00:20:10.799 -->
00:20:13.920And so we kind of go back and forth along that kind of line for a while.
00:20:14.000 -->
00:20:18.079I keep trying to like drive it back to small talk, basically.
00:20:18.240 -->
00:20:24.000You know, she worked at IBM, she lived in Juneau, Alaska, she worked in the Alaska legislature.
00:20:24.480 -->
00:20:33.039IBM is who provided all of the all of the machines for the Nazis to be able to keep track of all of the people they were exterminating.
00:20:33.359 -->
00:20:34.160Yeah, I didn't mention that.
00:20:34.400 -->
00:20:34.960That's fun.
00:20:35.119 -->
00:20:38.160But um But yeah, so we're just kind of talking back and forth.
00:20:38.240 -->
00:20:40.880And eventually she, like I said, she's a politician.
00:20:41.039 -->
00:20:43.039Oh she worked in the legislature.
00:20:43.119 -->
00:20:49.680So she just keeps trying to bring it back around, bring it back around, and I just keep being like, sorry, I'm not here to do that.
00:20:49.759 -->
00:20:52.799I'm just here to be an annoying an annoyance, really.
00:20:53.119 -->
00:20:53.359Yeah.
00:20:53.599 -->
00:21:00.480I'm just here to play this music and just um just be here and let people know that there are people who disagree.
00:21:00.720 -->
00:21:01.039Yeah.
00:21:01.200 -->
00:21:01.519Exactly.
00:21:02.000 -->
00:21:02.559Don't want this here.
00:21:02.799 -->
00:21:03.200Exactly.
00:21:03.279 -->
00:21:06.880And and like, and like we're basically cuddled up next to each other.
00:21:07.119 -->
00:21:16.000Like, like we're shoulder to shoulder, like touching each other, like with our hands, like here and there, being like, oh, that's silly, you know, like like really kind of friendly.
00:21:16.160 -->
00:21:16.480Yeah.
00:21:16.720 -->
00:21:18.319Like it felt good.
00:21:18.480 -->
00:21:24.880It was like like it's kind of tongue-in-cheek, me being here, being like, you know, this is about free speech, and I just want everyone to have free speech.
00:21:24.960 -->
00:21:28.559Like that was my um that was my like protection of being there.
00:21:28.960 -->
00:21:29.279Of course.
00:21:29.519 -->
00:21:32.720And so for a moment it felt cool to it to actually feel true.
00:21:32.880 -->
00:21:41.839That like, yeah, there's this bullshit going on all around us, but but we can talk about old coding practices from when she worked at IBM.
00:21:42.000 -->
00:21:43.839And I was like, like, that was really cool.
00:21:43.920 -->
00:21:45.839And just shooting the shit.
00:21:45.920 -->
00:21:53.759You know, just in a public space, there's obviously contention going on, but like we can just be here and like we're friendly, like, well, that sounds like little pats.
00:21:54.400 -->
00:22:01.279And then I must have just evaded her one too many times where I was, I can't quite remember.
00:22:01.359 -->
00:22:03.279Maybe I got snarky a little bit.
00:22:03.440 -->
00:22:04.480I can't quite remember.
00:22:04.720 -->
00:22:10.160I know at one point I was like, she was like, I I just don't know like what's like what's right white supremacy or what's racism.
00:22:10.240 -->
00:22:12.079And I was like, Are you're you are you dumb?
00:22:12.319 -->
00:22:15.119Like I might have said something like that.
00:22:15.279 -->
00:22:15.680Right.
00:22:15.759 -->
00:22:20.799Um because it was just it just got annoying how stupid she was playing.
00:22:20.960 -->
00:22:21.119Right.
00:22:21.279 -->
00:22:22.559This is a very educated woman.
00:22:22.640 -->
00:22:24.400She worked in the Alaska legislature.
00:22:24.640 -->
00:22:24.880Right.
00:22:25.039 -->
00:22:28.160She's an educated woman, she knows what racism means.
00:22:28.400 -->
00:22:28.559Right.
00:22:29.039 -->
00:22:37.200And it's that kind of denial that playing dumb, which is the hallmark of turning point, you would say, and what has destroyed America debate.
00:22:37.599 -->
00:22:40.000What has destroyed debate in America.
00:22:40.240 -->
00:22:43.359Um which in turn Yeah, exactly.
00:22:43.680 -->
00:22:53.200So I say something, I I evade her in some way, and and all of a sudden she um she starts to like kick at me and kick at my feet, which is where I have my speaker.
00:22:53.359 -->
00:22:59.039My speaker is down by my feet that I'm playing the loop of the the song that we played for you earlier.
00:22:59.359 -->
00:23:04.559So she went from like sitting next to you, like talking and laughing and cuddling all next to me.
00:23:04.960 -->
00:23:09.279Physical touch, yeah, like full-on, oh yeah, I'll hear let's just be super cozy.
00:23:09.599 -->
00:23:14.319To kicking my foot out of the way to to kick my speaker off the ledge.
00:23:14.559 -->
00:23:14.720Yeah.
00:23:14.880 -->
00:23:15.839And then she books it.
00:23:16.079 -->
00:23:16.480Of course.
00:23:16.799 -->
00:23:24.400The guy who again was standing there earlier was still standing there, and he he gets this childlike look on his face and goes, Oh, she got you.
00:23:24.799 -->
00:23:29.599Um I stay there because I all of a sudden feel very exposed, very surrounded.
00:23:29.839 -->
00:23:38.240And so I'm I'm calm, I keep collected, I I know I have my speaker down there, but I also have my sign up here, and I'm not gonna lose both.
00:23:38.480 -->
00:23:38.640Right.
00:23:38.799 -->
00:23:46.240So I stay and I'm like I just give him a look like you guys are some sneaky, sneaky little bitches.
00:23:46.480 -->
00:23:50.160That's and um That's American conservatism in a nutshell to be.
00:23:50.640 -->
00:23:56.000Yeah, and then he runs down the stairs and um grabs my speaker and throws it on top of a roof.
00:23:56.240 -->
00:24:00.480I miss seeing him do that because I I muted it to hopefully maybe he won't find it.
00:24:00.720 -->
00:24:01.039Right.
00:24:01.279 -->
00:24:06.079Um once he leaves, I give it a minute, I look around, I'm like, okay, it doesn't look like anyone's gonna take my sign.
00:24:06.240 -->
00:24:15.039Um and I go down and I'm looking for my speaker, and then some other friendly guy comes up and um he goes, Hey, did you like lose a cylinder thing from up there?
00:24:15.200 -->
00:24:19.200And I'm like, Yeah, I just and he's like, Okay, yes, someone threw it on top of a roof.
00:24:19.519 -->
00:24:28.400And he looks kind of ashamed because he is again probably one of those people who is kind of rose-colored glasses in terms of what these people are about.
00:24:28.720 -->
00:24:28.880Right.
00:24:29.359 -->
00:24:31.519And he and he was almost kind of like shocked.
00:24:31.599 -->
00:24:34.240Like, and I just go, No, that's that's exactly what I would expect.
00:24:34.480 -->
00:24:39.039And I wasn't angry or anything, I was just like, you know, it's nice to be proven right.
00:24:39.279 -->
00:24:39.599Yeah.
00:24:39.839 -->
00:24:40.240You know?
00:24:40.400 -->
00:24:40.720Yeah.
00:24:40.960 -->
00:24:44.559I really like your cut your comment there about the rose-colored like glasses.
00:24:44.720 -->
00:24:46.720It's like that that is where we're at.
00:24:46.880 -->
00:24:53.039Like it's all r it's rose-colored racism, it's rose-colored sexism, it's rose-colored bigotry.
00:24:53.440 -->
00:25:03.279All of these people are just turning their their their eyes completely blind away from the things that they say that they don't like and then actively support.
00:25:03.599 -->
00:25:07.519And what's hilarious in the turning point community is that they're all about critical thinking.
00:25:07.680 -->
00:25:08.079Right.
00:25:08.319 -->
00:25:10.799But it like it ends at their doorstep.
00:25:11.119 -->
00:25:11.279Right.
00:25:11.440 -->
00:25:11.680Yeah.
00:25:11.839 -->
00:25:12.079Yeah.
00:25:12.240 -->
00:25:14.559And the the only free speech is their speech.
00:25:14.880 -->
00:25:15.680And then there's that.
00:25:15.839 -->
00:25:16.000Yeah.
00:25:16.240 -->
00:25:25.759So, you know, we were all up there talking about how great free speech is, and and then the second that I dropped my guard, she um she impeded my free speech.
00:25:25.920 -->
00:25:26.240Yeah.
00:25:26.559 -->
00:25:27.440Technically assaulted me.
00:25:27.759 -->
00:25:28.640Technically assaulted you.
00:25:28.960 -->
00:25:30.799And then the other guy like stole from me.
00:25:31.119 -->
00:25:32.000Destroyed your property.
00:25:32.079 -->
00:25:32.160Yeah.
00:25:32.400 -->
00:25:34.240Like kicked your property and then threw it.
00:25:34.400 -->
00:25:35.839Stole it and threw it on top of the roof.
00:25:36.079 -->
00:25:36.160Yeah.
00:25:36.400 -->
00:25:39.680So these people care about law and order until it suits them.
00:25:39.920 -->
00:25:40.160Right.
00:25:40.319 -->
00:25:40.480Yeah.
00:25:40.640 -->
00:25:40.799Right.
00:25:40.880 -->
00:25:47.680Well, they care about law and order as a way to as a way to um other those that they want to be ahead of.
00:25:48.000 -->
00:25:48.319Right.
00:25:48.480 -->
00:25:48.720Exactly.
00:25:48.880 -->
00:25:50.240Which they want to win over.
00:25:50.480 -->
00:25:50.960Right.
00:25:51.200 -->
00:25:51.519Yeah.
00:25:51.680 -->
00:25:53.359It's that's that's disgusting.
00:25:53.599 -->
00:26:02.559I it is but I do have to say, we I have received two messages from the organizers, um, uh where they have uh where they have apologized.
00:26:02.720 -->
00:26:18.880The Jeremy guy, that is the lead or one of the lead singers of Super Nostalgic, one of the local bands here, he um that mega that mega mega guy, he messaged and or commented back when I made a video post about this saying that like this happened.
00:26:18.960 -->
00:26:21.839This is how you guys act on day one.
00:26:22.240 -->
00:26:29.200On day one, you're supposed to be about tolerance and debate, and this is how you act on day one.
00:26:29.359 -->
00:26:34.400And he said he apologized and they're working on getting the speaker back, which is great.
00:26:34.640 -->
00:26:37.680I'm glad that they are working that they're working toward that.
00:26:37.759 -->
00:26:47.680Um and they said if the another the other guy that messaged said if it's damaged, that they will pay for it to pay for a new one, um, if it is damaged, but that Jeremy is working on getting it back.
00:26:48.160 -->
00:26:52.960So what they should really do is announce the name of those two members of their community and publicly call them out.
00:26:53.279 -->
00:26:58.240They should if they really cared about their the integrity of their organization.
00:26:58.640 -->
00:27:01.039They would hold those people accountable because they know exactly who it is.
00:27:01.359 -->
00:27:01.519Right.
00:27:01.680 -->
00:27:05.759But the their version is to do all of this in-house the way that police do.
00:27:06.079 -->
00:27:13.599The police investigate the police to find out the police did nothing wrong because the police don't have to follow laws, they only have to follow their own policies.
00:27:13.839 -->
00:27:18.000This is exactly what all of these conservative right-wing nut job groups do.
00:27:18.160 -->
00:27:22.640They investigate themselves to find out they did nothing wrong, and then go, oh hooray, we're great.
00:27:22.880 -->
00:27:24.000God loves us.
00:27:24.319 -->
00:27:30.319Like, and oh, I I don't know if we mentioned or not that the lady who kicked your speaker down, tell me about her hat.
00:27:30.480 -->
00:27:31.119Oh, yeah, okay.
00:27:31.200 -->
00:27:38.559So she was wearing a a white, white hat with a red bill with red lettering that said, I love Jesus.
00:27:38.799 -->
00:27:39.759I love Jesus.
00:27:39.920 -->
00:27:41.039We love Jesus.
00:27:41.279 -->
00:27:43.519Some of y'all motherfuckers need Satan.
00:27:43.759 -->
00:27:44.720I'm just saying.
00:27:45.039 -->
00:27:46.400Or or actually Jesus.
00:27:46.559 -->
00:27:47.359Or actually Jesus.
00:27:47.599 -->
00:27:48.319Either one's fine.
00:27:48.400 -->
00:27:48.559Yeah.
00:27:48.720 -->
00:27:50.240Either one is genuinely fine.
00:27:50.559 -->
00:27:54.480Whatever this weird commercialized version of Jesus is in America is not it.
00:27:54.880 -->
00:27:55.599Oh my god.
00:27:55.839 -->
00:27:57.279It is so not it.
00:27:57.759 -->
00:28:15.279But like it it all fits, and this is this is all gonna be in the the book and the the the new book coming on on uh religious trauma and on the podcast, but all of it fits into this whole like bullshit end of times thing that started as soon as Israel became a thing.
00:28:15.519 -->
00:28:31.440As soon as Israel became Israel in 1948, all of these old biblical um philosophies got reactivated by televangelists and and radio preachers as like, oh, look, it's prophecy coming to life in real time.
00:28:31.599 -->
00:28:34.160The end of times are now, and what does that mean?
00:28:34.240 -->
00:28:49.440It means that there are seven phases coming, and the last one before church ruling everything is law and order, which just means that anybody who's not the church is going to be arrested, murdered, locked away, whatever, and they're a hundred percent down for it.
00:28:49.519 -->
00:28:57.519They want this thing because it fits with their worldview, it fits with their religion and their doctrine, their philosophies, and their prophecies.
00:28:57.680 -->
00:29:05.200And they're like, Yeah, it's the end of times, things are gonna get worse before they get better, and they want more violence.
00:29:05.440 -->
00:29:17.680That's why 97% of the terrorism that has happened in the United States over the course of our history has all been from right wing white extremists.
00:29:18.799 -->
00:29:19.759It's mad.
00:29:20.400 -->
00:29:21.759So I want to say thank you.
00:29:22.079 -->
00:29:23.279Yeah, my my pleasure.
00:29:23.680 -->
00:29:24.160Thank you.
00:29:24.559 -->
00:29:32.640Um and I I got to see you after, and I got to see how like it is it is biologically taxing.
00:29:33.119 -->
00:29:36.319It is biologically taxing to go through something like that.
00:29:36.640 -->
00:29:54.400Um I got to see you after, and I got to see the waves come of like the the startling again of just like all of a sudden you're there again and you have to like move through that, and I saw you move through what I call the sour adrenaline phase when it's like it no longer amps you up anymore, it just hits you and makes you more tired.
00:29:54.960 -->
00:29:56.559It's exhausting.
00:29:57.200 -->
00:29:59.599I've been many times the only.
00:30:00.640 -->
00:30:02.400Person at a protest.
00:30:02.799 -->
00:30:04.400The up I was the protest.
00:30:04.720 -->
00:30:06.319You were the protest.
00:30:06.480 -->
00:30:12.799And it is unlike anything else because you were really putting your neck out there and it's taxing.
00:30:12.880 -->
00:30:13.920So I want to say thank you.
00:30:14.480 -->
00:30:15.200Thank you for being there.
00:30:15.440 -->
00:30:15.599Yeah.
00:30:15.839 -->
00:30:19.200I wish I could have, but I don't think I would have handled it as well as you did.
00:30:19.359 -->
00:30:20.720So w good on you.
00:30:21.039 -->
00:30:25.279Yeah, there's different there's different ways of protest and different ways of interacting with people.
00:30:25.359 -->
00:30:35.039And um yeah, I was um my my my goal again was very intentional to to not really engage politically.
00:30:35.200 -->
00:30:35.440Right.
00:30:35.680 -->
00:30:37.759Absolutely engage conversationally.
00:30:37.920 -->
00:30:38.160Yeah.
00:30:38.319 -->
00:30:47.359Um small talk, town, you know, what we like, like hobby, you know, just like dogs, like it was like like keep it light.
00:30:47.519 -->
00:30:48.799We're not gonna solve the issue here.
00:30:48.960 -->
00:30:53.519Me right me changing your mind is is is not gonna change things.
00:30:53.680 -->
00:30:56.160Like these are bigger issues, is how I feel.
00:30:56.240 -->
00:31:00.160So I wasn't there trying to change people's minds, I was just there to be a presence.
00:31:00.640 -->
00:31:00.960Okay.
00:31:01.039 -->
00:31:08.799So it sounds like you were trying to be like an opposite like to voice opposition without burning any bridges.
00:31:09.200 -->
00:31:17.440Yeah, I was just there to be an annoyance, just uh a very obvious, a very obvious, non-threatening presence.
00:31:18.160 -->
00:31:18.640Good.
00:31:18.799 -->
00:31:19.200Yeah.
00:31:19.440 -->
00:31:19.839Cool.
00:31:20.160 -->
00:31:21.119I mean that makes sense.
00:31:21.200 -->
00:31:22.319That's definitely a way.
00:31:22.720 -->
00:31:24.640But very clearly opposed to what was going on.
00:31:24.960 -->
00:31:25.200Right.
00:31:25.279 -->
00:31:28.880You know, the no the no Nazis, no kings, no fascist ideologies.
00:31:29.119 -->
00:31:29.279Yeah.
00:31:29.599 -->
00:31:30.960Made that clear, I'm pretty sure.
00:31:31.279 -->
00:31:34.799I almost wanted to do f no fascist idolatry.
00:31:36.000 -->
00:31:41.519Because like they're worshiping this Charlie Craig, like he but but religious freedom.
00:31:41.759 -->
00:31:43.119So I don't care about idolatry.
00:31:43.200 -->
00:31:44.799You know, like you can worship whatever you want.
00:31:44.880 -->
00:31:46.720So that's why I landed on ideology.
00:31:47.039 -->
00:31:47.839Yeah, yeah.
00:31:48.079 -->
00:31:52.960It is fun to call them out on their hypocrisies, but it only goes so far, you know.
00:31:53.279 -->
00:31:54.559It really does.
00:31:55.119 -->
00:31:55.759Wow.
00:31:56.000 -->
00:31:59.200That's the the hypocrisy is what pisses me off.
00:31:59.440 -->
00:32:20.559The it's it's the hypocrisy of pretending to be kind, pretending to care, pretending to be friendly with a person, just to wait until they piss you off and then take it out on them in a way that you know you can get away with because you're a little old white lady who then as soon as you did it ran away.
00:32:20.799 -->
00:32:27.119Which I heard that she actually went to Jeremy and told him what happened immediately.
00:32:27.519 -->
00:32:32.240See, I was looking for her, she must have taken off her hat or something, because I was scanning that crowd for that woman.
00:32:32.640 -->
00:32:33.200I bet.
00:32:33.359 -->
00:32:39.759Yeah, I I I thought she just booked it out of there, so I think it's hilarious that she o owned up to it.
00:32:39.839 -->
00:32:43.839And I want to know who that woman is, and I want to know who that guy is.
00:32:44.240 -->
00:32:46.720Yeah, that's pathetic.
00:32:47.279 -->
00:32:48.880It's pathetic behavior.
00:32:49.119 -->
00:32:50.720It's it is, it's just hypocritical.
00:32:50.960 -->
00:32:54.079And these are you know, I'm an adult, like I'm almost 40.
00:32:54.240 -->
00:32:55.920These were more adults than me.
00:32:56.079 -->
00:33:00.160You know, like they were older than me, and just childish.
00:33:00.480 -->
00:33:03.039Childish petty behavior.
00:33:03.599 -->
00:33:06.000And this is what we expect from turning point USA.
00:33:06.319 -->
00:33:09.519This is why we don't want turning point USA in our town.
00:33:09.920 -->
00:33:31.839I actually expect a little more violence from Turning Point, which is why when um when this happened, when the when it culminated, and I realized I wasn't getting my speaker back, and I went and grabbed my sign, instead of heading back the way I came, which is up the staircase, I decided to take the long way around because above me, on the landing, directly above me, were were three Proud Boy looking guys.
00:33:32.480 -->
00:33:35.759You can look up Proud Boys if you don't know what they were, but they're a white supremacist group.
00:33:35.920 -->
00:33:38.559And uh they were just standing up there staring staring at me.
00:33:38.640 -->
00:33:42.079I think they kind of expected me to leave in their direction.
00:33:42.319 -->
00:33:51.759And so um So yeah, once that happened, I I it's not that I didn't feel safe, but I recognized the potential for injury, for harm, for yeah, for the situation to go bad.
00:33:52.079 -->
00:33:52.720Took a different route.
00:33:52.960 -->
00:33:57.359When I was when I was there with my speaker, I hadn't been attacked.
00:33:57.519 -->
00:34:02.000I felt like, okay, like we're all being adults and we're all being Americans here.
00:34:02.240 -->
00:34:02.480Right.
00:34:02.640 -->
00:34:02.880You know?
00:34:03.119 -->
00:34:03.440Wow.
00:34:03.680 -->
00:34:08.159And once once that happened, I was like, okay, well, this is no longer like I'm the only one here.
00:34:08.320 -->
00:34:11.920I've obviously just been like shown to be weak, you know?
00:34:12.159 -->
00:34:17.920Like so my animal's instincts kicked in, and I was like, all right, well, we're gonna slowly get out of here.
00:34:18.000 -->
00:34:19.519I made sure to start recording.
00:34:19.760 -->
00:34:20.000Good.
00:34:20.159 -->
00:34:23.280Immediately, I had a phone around my neck and I immediately started recording.
00:34:23.440 -->
00:34:28.800And I I got a good good um a good frame of the the guy standing above me on the staircase.
00:34:28.960 -->
00:34:30.480And yeah, I slowly made my way out of there.
00:34:30.559 -->
00:34:38.880I went down to the rally and I stood there, looked at everyone, played my music from the rooftop for another minute, had my sign, and then um and then yeah, I got out of there.
00:34:39.039 -->
00:34:44.880You know, I was cognizant of the fact that you know they could be following me, so I I made sure to get to my car quickly.
00:34:45.119 -->
00:34:47.039And I've never felt that way in Port Angeles before.
00:34:47.280 -->
00:34:48.800Yeah, and these are the Christians.
00:34:48.960 -->
00:34:49.760And these are the Christians.
00:34:50.400 -->
00:34:53.199But that's what you'd expect from KKK Christians.
00:34:53.440 -->
00:34:56.719Right, which is kind of like most of what's left.
00:34:57.039 -->
00:35:01.039Any but like most good Christians I know don't even call themselves Christians.
00:35:01.199 -->
00:35:18.880I've gotten many a message just in the last few in the last few days from people who were like, uh I'm like I was a Christian, but now I call myself a Jesus lover because Christians have such a bad name because they're well, they shoot up schools and they they shoot Charlie Kirk.
00:35:19.119 -->
00:35:21.199Yeah, their ideology facilitates a lot of violence.
00:35:21.519 -->
00:35:22.320Yeah, it does.
00:35:22.800 -->
00:35:35.360And like and to have a person like Trump on the Oval Office, like saying that and planting evidence, like having all this trans stuff written on the supposed bullets.
00:35:35.519 -->
00:35:41.440Well, then an article just came out two days ago saying that those bullets don't match the gun that shot it.
00:35:41.599 -->
00:35:43.599They were literally just planted.
00:35:44.000 -->
00:35:46.079And you know, like But it doesn't matter to them.
00:35:46.239 -->
00:35:53.039But like I said to the guy, like we're at this point now where I'm gonna have facts, you're gonna have facts, and we're both gonna call each other's facts false.
00:35:53.280 -->
00:36:00.880So they've heard a narrative that works for them that the shooter was in a trans relationship, and so that checks other boxes and they move on.
00:36:00.960 -->
00:36:01.840They're like, that makes sense.
00:36:02.079 -->
00:36:15.599And and everyone else who's not on their side goes, Oh, it was that Gruper, same guy, same hyper conservative guy, except our narrative is is that Charlie Kirk was killed because he wasn't conservative enough.
00:36:16.400 -->
00:36:17.920You know, like that's what I told the guy.
00:36:18.000 -->
00:36:20.639He was he Charlie Kirk was killed because he wasn't conservative enough.
00:36:20.800 -->
00:36:21.119Yeah.
00:36:21.280 -->
00:36:25.519You know, so we just we all have our own alternative facts and our false news now.
00:36:25.840 -->
00:36:27.039It's just the state that we're in.
00:36:27.360 -->
00:36:29.840It it is and So that's why I wasn't trying to argue with anyone.
00:36:30.239 -->
00:36:34.960Because that's that's it just goes downhill and that's what turning point I mean that's that is what happened to turning point.
00:36:35.280 -->
00:36:35.519Literally.
00:36:35.760 -->
00:36:39.599It just goes you know, it just devolves until the leader dies.
00:36:40.400 -->
00:36:43.920Yeah, because they're not actually there to debate, they're there to indoctrinate.
00:36:44.159 -->
00:36:44.480Right.
00:36:44.800 -->
00:36:48.239That's why it was a 30-year-old debating a bunch of 18-year-olds.
00:36:48.400 -->
00:36:48.880Right.
00:36:49.280 -->
00:36:51.280It has nothing to do with education.
00:36:51.440 -->
00:37:17.519If um and if it did have anything to do with education, they would become liberals because we have that science of w how homogenous those conservative right-wing values are, and then when pe when a person who maintains those conservative right-wing values, like I did, moves away from our conservative small towns and are forced into places with diversity, diversity of thought, diversity of race, diversity of culture, diversity of of skin.
00:37:17.760 -->
00:37:23.440Like these are the exposure to these things make us more liberal.
00:37:23.760 -->
00:37:48.639Because it turns out that the only neurological difference from between the primary, not the only, the primary, the biggest difference between neurologically in a brain, between a self-selected conservative and a self-selected liberal across cultures, regardless of political affiliation, and I'm adding all of these little commas because all of these were actually variables that were accounted for.
00:37:49.840 -->
00:37:57.679They all have this the the uh conservatives have an immediate judgment on disgust.
00:37:58.400 -->
00:38:08.559That's the difference, is when a conservative feels disgust, it um the thing to know about this is that disgust there's an area of the brain that handles disgust.
00:38:08.719 -->
00:38:19.920And it doesn't differentiate between if you see someone doing something that you think is morally reprehensible uh or if you were to eat a handful of poo.
00:38:20.159 -->
00:38:21.760It doesn't differentiate.
00:38:22.000 -->
00:38:25.840The same part of the brain mixes up, like or stirs up.
00:38:26.079 -->
00:38:40.639So the brain mixes up those signals and goes something that I view to be morally reprehensible just because it's not my culture and I've never been exposed to it, stimulates the same visceral response that eating literal shit does.
00:38:40.960 -->
00:38:49.760And if you're conservative and you ha you haven't had nearly as much exposure, you don't need to second guess that response.
00:38:49.920 -->
00:38:55.039And everyone around you has the same response, which tells you that it's right.
00:38:55.360 -->
00:38:58.159And so this is why I don't want bigots gathering.
00:38:58.239 -->
00:39:16.800I don't want TP USA gathering, because it's just more it's more conservative people who are undereducated, underexposed, re-emphasizing the same lies that conservative uh conservative America raised them with, and it makes them feel more right.
00:39:17.119 -->
00:39:38.719When we have randomized controlled trials, we have meta-analyses, we have we have uh like w we have retrospective reviews, we have all kinds of data that show that if you are exposed to more education and more types of people, you across the board become more liberal.
00:39:39.039 -->
00:39:49.119Which and this is validated even further by the fact that liberals have a much wider I guess perspectives on things or not perspective perspective is the wrong word.
00:39:49.360 -->
00:39:58.000They they're wider in what they believe, as far as the the the right is very homogeneous, they all believe believe the same thing.
00:39:58.159 -->
00:40:04.079And the left are not they don't believe the same thing as the right, but they also don't believe the same thing as each other.
00:40:04.320 -->
00:40:05.840Which is why we can't organize.
00:40:06.000 -->
00:40:09.599The left isn't organized because everybody's like, oh, actually, you know what?
00:40:09.679 -->
00:40:13.599Well, I learned that that's wrong, but I don't know exactly what is right.
00:40:13.840 -->
00:40:22.559And that's where the liberals are at, is we know that like fascism is wrong, but we can't all agree on what is right because there is no right or wrong way.
00:40:22.639 -->
00:40:28.400You just have to try a thing and hopefully don't and don't central don't let power centralize, because that's what ruins everything.
00:40:28.719 -->
00:40:33.840But this is why I don't want turning point here.
00:40:34.079 -->
00:40:40.079They re-emphasize the same racist ideologies, and they like they foment racism.
00:40:40.239 -->
00:40:43.280They foment racism over and over and over again.
00:40:43.440 -->
00:40:44.559It's really disgusting.
00:40:44.880 -->
00:40:52.400Racism and um just bigotry in general, like trans bigotry, homophobia, right?
00:40:52.639 -->
00:40:58.159Like there are every social issue possible, their view is the single most disgusting.
00:40:58.800 -->
00:41:01.840I don't think that they should be allowed to vote on social issues.
00:41:02.079 -->
00:41:06.079If you want to vote on fiscal issues or how to run this or what like whatever, fine.
00:41:06.159 -->
00:41:10.639But social issues, you don't get a vote because you're a fucking racist.
00:41:10.800 -->
00:41:15.760For the same reason that the plumber doesn't get to do a hysterectomy.
00:41:15.920 -->
00:41:18.960Just because they're called tubes don't mean they're the same.
00:41:19.280 -->
00:41:21.360I don't think that that's okay.
00:41:21.519 -->
00:41:30.880That we should have people that are consistently siding with racism, sexism, misogyny, like homophobia, transphobia.
00:41:31.039 -->
00:41:37.280We shouldn't be allowing these people to make decisions about the people's lives that they hate.
00:41:37.519 -->
00:41:37.840Yeah.
00:41:38.079 -->
00:41:39.599That's insane to me.
00:41:39.920 -->
00:41:46.800And yeah, well, I could I could rant on about this forever, and I won't, because the podcast is a little bit over time.
00:41:47.039 -->
00:41:48.559This is thank you so much.
00:41:48.719 -->
00:41:48.880Yeah.
00:41:49.280 -->
00:41:49.920This has been really good.
00:41:50.000 -->
00:41:52.000Is there anything else that you want to add?
00:41:52.239 -->
00:41:55.199What like what's what's your takeaway from all of this?
00:41:55.360 -->
00:41:58.079Like, how are you gonna interact with this moving forward?
00:41:58.239 -->
00:41:59.039Do you know?
00:41:59.280 -->
00:42:01.840Because I mean I know this just happened yesterday.
00:42:02.400 -->
00:42:07.679I'm I mean, I'm planning to be if they have another public rally, I will be there with a louder speaker.
00:42:08.639 -->
00:42:09.119Good.
00:42:09.360 -->
00:42:20.960And I will and I will do the same thing I did, but I I won't have the um naivety of thinking that these people being friendly for me is for any other reason than to try to attack me.
00:42:21.199 -->
00:42:21.760Right.
00:42:22.159 -->
00:42:24.880That is unfortunately a lesson I learned growing up in church.
00:42:25.119 -->
00:42:26.480Yeah, and so that's what I just learned.
00:42:26.559 -->
00:42:31.840Like that that's just my new experience with these people is they will be nice to you, but it's just to get close enough to attack you.
00:42:32.000 -->
00:42:32.320Yeah.
00:42:32.559 -->
00:42:34.880I'm sorry that you experienced that.
00:42:35.119 -->
00:42:35.599I'm not.
00:42:35.760 -->
00:42:36.639But it's I'm not.
00:42:36.800 -->
00:42:38.400I'm I'm glad that you have the lesson.
00:42:38.639 -->
00:42:38.880Yeah.
00:42:39.039 -->
00:42:43.119I'm really glad that you have the lesson because people don't believe it until you experience it.
00:42:43.280 -->
00:42:52.880They see these little old the nice ladies with their I Love Jesus hat sitting next to you being all cuddled up, and then they don't see that one little moment of the aggression.
00:42:53.199 -->
00:43:06.239Well, and that's what's fun about um looking into people who study history and and how vocal they are about the the role that white women play in maintaining power struct in maintaining the power structure.
00:43:06.400 -->
00:43:07.760Like they're the nice veneer.
00:43:08.159 -->
00:43:08.559They are.
00:43:08.719 -->
00:43:12.239They're they are what sidle up to you all sweet and nice and stick exactly.
00:43:13.199 -->
00:43:13.360Right.
00:43:13.519 -->
00:43:34.400That's why that's why every Fox News, every every news anchor, Fox News is just the worst at having them all look exactly the same and be the same blonde and the same face, and they're all the those are some of my favorite news clips is having all the it's usually female anchors, but it's all of the anchors saying the exact same thing word for word for word for word, but they they give you the pretty white women right up front.
00:43:34.719 -->
00:43:38.880And it's so yeah, I feel a little bit less safe in my town.
00:43:39.039 -->
00:43:40.639I feel a little bit more exposed.
00:43:41.039 -->
00:43:41.920Yeah, that's just what I'm saying.
00:43:42.159 -->
00:43:46.320Have you ever have you ever felt like targeted and unsafe previously?
00:43:46.800 -->
00:43:46.960No.
00:43:47.760 -->
00:43:48.079Never.
00:43:48.320 -->
00:43:48.639No.
00:43:49.440 -->
00:43:49.679Wow.
00:43:50.639 -->
00:43:53.679Like I said, when I show up to the protest, it's it's critical mass.
00:43:53.840 -->
00:43:54.159Right.
00:43:54.320 -->
00:43:54.719You know?
00:43:55.039 -->
00:44:00.159I I'm um I'm used to being in the majority of people who are like, this is fucking bullshit.
00:44:00.559 -->
00:44:03.440Not the one person being like, this is fucking bullshit.
00:44:04.960 -->
00:44:05.760Ugh.
00:44:06.159 -->
00:44:09.280Well, thank you for going, and thank you for saying that this is fucking bullshit.
00:44:09.519 -->
00:44:10.719Because it is fucking bullshit.
00:44:10.880 -->
00:44:11.760It's fucking bullshit.
00:44:12.000 -->
00:44:14.719Which is why fuck super nostalgia.
00:44:14.960 -->
00:44:38.960I will never, I will never go to one of their shows again because their leader is a proud supporter of Donald Trump and ICE, and he pretends to b care about unity and then actively supports ripping children from their families, locking them in cages, and the 2600 people that were shipped off to the El Salvadorian prison when all of this first began are now just missing.
00:44:39.199 -->
00:44:40.639They're not available anywhere.
00:44:40.800 -->
00:44:41.920There's no trace of them.
00:44:42.159 -->
00:44:43.119They're just gone.
00:44:43.519 -->
00:44:44.800And that that's the playbook.
00:44:44.880 -->
00:44:47.119It's it's the it's it's what that woman did.
00:44:47.280 -->
00:44:56.239You you're nice, you s you get people to cuddle up to you, and then um if there's a chance for you to get ahead, you you attack.
00:44:56.480 -->
00:44:56.880Yep.
00:44:57.119 -->
00:44:58.239The second that you can.
00:44:58.559 -->
00:45:01.199Win them over with kindness and stab them in the back.
00:45:01.760 -->
00:45:02.480Stab him in the back.
00:45:02.719 -->
00:45:04.400That that is white conservative America.
00:45:04.480 -->
00:45:06.079That's what we did to the Native Americans.
00:45:06.320 -->
00:45:06.800Yep.
00:45:07.119 -->
00:45:10.000And it's what we're continuing to do today.
00:45:10.719 -->
00:45:11.039Ugh.
00:45:11.199 -->
00:45:12.079Well, thank you so much.
00:45:12.159 -->
00:45:14.880If you made it to the end of this podcast, I really appreciate it.
00:45:14.960 -->
00:45:15.840This one's a doozy.
00:45:16.079 -->
00:45:17.119It hits close to home.
00:45:17.280 -->
00:45:23.199Not just because it's my small town, but it's also my partner, and this is my life and my livelihood as a musician.
00:45:23.360 -->
00:45:30.880This stuff is really important to me, and to and my morality is really important to me, and it's clearly important to you.
00:45:30.960 -->
00:45:34.320So thank you very much, Michael, for being a part of this conversation.
00:45:34.559 -->
00:45:36.960Thank you for coming onto the podcast.
00:45:37.280 -->
00:45:39.360And thank you for listening.
00:45:39.679 -->
00:45:44.960If you feel like if you feel like supporting the show, then go into the notes.
00:45:45.119 -->
00:45:48.559There's a you can buy me a coffee or whatever you feel like doing.
00:45:48.639 -->
00:45:52.800Please leave a comment, share this with some friends, spread it, especially if you're local.
00:45:52.960 -->
00:46:00.719If you live in Port Angeles or Washington or Squim or Forks or Joyce or any of these little areas around here, please send this to your friends.
00:46:00.880 -->
00:46:03.280We need to get the word out about these people.
00:46:03.679 -->
00:46:08.960One thing I actually do want to say is if they do have another rally, I hope I'm not the only person protesting.
00:46:09.280 -->
00:46:09.599Ugh.
00:46:09.760 -->
00:46:10.719Well, you heard it.
00:46:10.880 -->
00:46:13.920I hope that you guys come out and join this protest.
00:46:14.079 -->
00:46:21.840Um, especially for any of y'all avoidant types, this is a perfect way for you to use your avoidance like l as a strengthness.
00:46:22.000 -->
00:46:23.119I talk about this all the time.
00:46:23.280 -->
00:46:24.159It's a strengthness.
00:46:24.320 -->
00:46:26.639This is my this is my wheelhouse, baby.
00:46:26.800 -->
00:46:28.719The chronic stress adaptation.
00:46:28.880 -->
00:46:40.239If you are really good at ignoring all of the awful things, then you're perfect for one of these small protests, because you can just show up and just crank up the petty baby.
00:46:40.719 -->
00:46:44.239So I hope that you will join Michael at the next one of these.
00:46:44.559 -->
00:46:46.320I really appreciate you listening.
00:46:46.400 -->
00:46:54.719Like I said, buy me a coffee, whatever, send this to your friends, and remember, stay curious and stay uncomfortable.
