The Bouncing Ball Killer

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Hey guys, welcome to the podcast kit.
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I'm Joey.
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I'm three.
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I'm Rachel.
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And this is SoCal Slaughters.
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We did it.
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If you're watching on YouTube, it's a whole different situation than last week.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Our first episode, I mean, we, you know, it was a thing.
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We tried it out.
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So we needed to start, and now we're fully out of our little sophomore class.
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It's still cozy.
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I I we wanted to just be closer to each other, I think, was the biggest thing.
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Yeah.
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Um, and the warm-up, the warmth of the lighting, and like just a few changes to our background.
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So much better.
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It feels so much more homey to us.
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We're really liking it.
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I'm not gonna say 100,000 percent that we are at our final stage.
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Yeah, but tell us what you think of it.
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Yeah.
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How do you like it?
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Yes.
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Um, I we definitely know that last week's setup was just not even gonna be in the running.
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Um we had a couple other ideas, but um, you know, we kind of landed on this because we already had everything we needed.
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Yeah, we had everything we needed.
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Um, if we do decide to change it up again, we're gonna try something completely different, I think.
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Yeah.
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That would be stay tuned for season three.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Um, but anyways, regardless, welcome back in.
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And um, you know, I still think it's a cuter, cozier zine.
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Yeah, it really is.
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I love it.
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Yeah.
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We're we're got the leopard visible now.
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Yeah, we got the leopard up.
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You know, we're repurposing things.
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And the storyteller's in a whole different spot.
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Yeah.
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So we flipped everything.
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We are like just kind of going.
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We're like, what do rules?
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Learning.
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We don't need any rules.
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All the things.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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We don't need rules.
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Yeah.
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Um, okay, but we do have a cocktail.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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That rule is still in play.
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Always.
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Jinx.
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Yes.
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Um, we're figuring that out.
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Yeah.
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Um, I don't know if you can see it.
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Doesn't matter.
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Whatever.
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It's gonna be cute eventually.
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Um, it's cute right now, but I don't know if you can see it.
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Um, anyways, uh, this is a cute little like rendition of a cherry limeade cocktail.
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Um, I'm not going to uh divulge anything more right now in this moment.
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If I can give you a little cliffhanger.
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Yeah, because I almost asked you why.
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Yeah, I'm not gonna talk about it.
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We'll find out together.
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We're gonna talk about it later.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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But as for now, cheers.
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Cheers.
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Cheers, ladies.
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Oh, yeah, it's so cute and pink.
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It is very cutie, patootie.
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Mmm, love.
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We have our perfect um colors.
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I don't think I've ever had a cherry limeade before.
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You know what it tastes like?
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Well, because mine doesn't have alcohol in it.
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It tastes like the Pink Panther.
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Okay.
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Remember the panther?
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Um, when you would go to the ice cream man and they would give you the pink panther.
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Oh, yeah, yes.
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I thought you had a cocktail on that.
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The cherry seven up almost.
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Yes.
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So it is very similar, but it's a little less sweet.
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Yes.
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Um, which I like that it's not so sweet.
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Because like cherry can be weird sometimes.
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Like sometimes when I'm having anything cherry, it's like, am I having cough syrup?
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Like, I'm not sure.
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Well, it's probably because it's grenadine, and yeah, as we all know.
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But this has no grenadine in it, which is why I wanted to stare away from it.
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I love it so often.
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Yeah, it actually is a cherry lime aid flavored uh sparkling ice.
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Oh, yeah, sparkling ice.
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They have that flavor, and I was like, word.
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Yes, so um, it's very good.
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You'll see the recipe.
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Um, make it.
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You'll like it.
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Oh, it's so cute it is.
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Yeah, and yeah, she made it these cute little like lime roses.
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That is adorable, by the way.
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Anyway, um, okay.
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Yeah, yeah, I like that a lot.
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Delicious, deliciosity.
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Um, yeah, blue go hawks.
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Purple, it's victory Monday.
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No other reason than I just got purple.
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Victory Monday?
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I thought it isn't it.
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Oh, and then it's Blue Friday?
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Yeah, it's Blue Friday and Victory Monday.
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I don't know what that means.
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Come on.
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I know things.
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I do, I still want to, I remain firm in.
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I do want to go up specifically for a game.
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Don't care about watching the game.
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I really for me, for me, because every time I I tune in and I'm watching a game, somebody's femur breaks, somebody's arm breaks.
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That's what I want to watch.
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I'm oh, I hate it.
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I feel like hockey would be my thing.
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Oh, I watch hockey all day.
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They have pads on that I can't see either.
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Anyways, but I want to go for the drumming.
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Uh the drum line?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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The drumming?
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The drum line.
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The drumline is very good.
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Are they, what are they doing?
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Like the cannon?
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Yeah.
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Drumline?
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I never watched that.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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But they're so amazing.
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They are actually phenomenal.
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It's just really good.
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And like, um, are you talking about the Chargers?
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Or the Seahawks.
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Okay, because the Chargers have a drum line too.
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I don't care about I go to the Chargers games because they're in Los Angeles and I am in Los Angeles.
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Um, and typically I go when we obviously play the Seahawks.
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The Chargers, Seahawks, you know, play each other.
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Um, but that doesn't happen every year in Los Angeles.
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Sometimes, obviously, it's more, it's more often preseason than it is regular.
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Um, but uh it actually has been a couple of years and I haven't been able to see my team play down here.
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Who did you you just tailgated?
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Who was that?
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Yeah, so we go with a couple of our friends um and we tailgate with them, Justin and Elena.
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Yeah, the Andersons.
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Um, and uh we tailgate with them.
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It's a blast.
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We have so much fun.
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We have like super down to a science.
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We just got a bathroom, which is like I'm sorry, it changes everything.
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Like an outdoor bathroom?
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Yeah.
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So like What are those called?
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A honey bucket?
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Yeah, but like it's like a like a like you you go inside of it.
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Yeah, and then there's like a thing in there.
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And it's like exactly.
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Yes.
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And so it's like there, so we don't have to go and wait in line for the Santa can.
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It's like ridiculous.
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So it's perfect.
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We love it.
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It's we've got it down so good.
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But but no, who's handling latrine duty at the end?
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Well, it's super easy.
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The way that this whatever system they got, it's like amazing because it's like it seals it itself or something.
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You there's a gel.
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Okay.
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And it like solidifies.
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Yeah.
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So it's like amazing.
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And then you just take the bag and you put it to the thing.
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I mean, obviously, I'm I'm like literally getting a sign for the door that says no shit because nobody's shitting in there.
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No.
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But like, you know, I mean, it's but it's like uh it's just so much, it's like so helpful.
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And like it's just a breeze now.
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So, anyways, we go with them and it's so much fun.
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But they have, I will say, love the charger.
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Going to Chargers game is so much fun.
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A, SoFi is insanely amazing.
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And then B, um, they also have an amazing drumline and they have like their MC that's really cool, and like he's just so energetic.
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It's it's a fun time, regardless.
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My dad is a lifelong charger fan.
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Oh, good.
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Oh my gosh.
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Dan doesn't know that, I don't think.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know that he does, but like it's a whole thing.
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Yeah, it's a whole thing.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I think that's why I don't know a lot about football because my dad is actually crazy when it comes to football.
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That's when I you would see him go.
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I my dad can't scream, he doesn't have a screaming voice that doesn't do it.
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I can.
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Yeah, exactly.
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All of his all of his daughters got that, and like we stole it from him, yeah.
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But I can I can still hear it in my head his attempt to scream, and it is frightening.
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So I feel like I just stayed away.
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Yeah, baseball, calm.
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We're good, we can play it together, but football, losing his mind.
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And he's a super calm dude.
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So yeah, he is very calm.
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He's very chill, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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One of the chillest.
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That skipped me and went to my daughter for sure.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's gets in generator.
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Totally, yeah.
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Well, anyways, yes, let's get into this.
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Yes, okay.
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That's enough football talk for now.
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It's never enough football talk, but it's football season, right?
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We're gonna hear more.
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Ugh, barf, don't remind me.
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Get used to it.
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Um, anyways, all right, let's talk about this.
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Okay, I'm gonna take us back to Los Angeles in the late 1950s.
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Okay, okay.
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Um, and actually early 60s, more so, I would say.
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Okay.
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Um, for a serial killer that I feel like nobody talks about.
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Okay.
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This is really early on, too, for serial killer.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um, his name is ridiculous, but we'll get there.
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And here's the first thing you need to know.
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Oh gosh.
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Nobody actually knows who this guy was.
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Wait, what?
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Yeah.
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To this day, nobody knows who he is.
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So this is our first unsolved.
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Oh well, he's dead.
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So that's fine with me.
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I mean probably.
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Probably.
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Come on.
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This took place in the 50s.
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Yeah, he'd be like really old.
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Was he 10?
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Late late 50s, early.
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It's more so early 60s, I would say.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I mean, he'd be really old.
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He could.
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This wasn't like Henry VIII times.
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Yeah.
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Take it easy.
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Just to bring him up.
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That's it's just I had to get rid of the statue, so now I just want to.
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Look at it.
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I have Miss Bishrem in here.
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Yeah, she always has somebody, and then we just like, oh, our mics are gone now, so we don't have any of the shit.
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But I found her and I love her.
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He looks very cute.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Interesting.
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Unsolved.
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Okay.
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Um, there are generally six or seven murders attributed to him.
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Okay.
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Plus additional attacks that police suspected had good that could have been connected.
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Okay.
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Um, but we're going to find out that at least one of those murders definitely was not him.
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Okay.
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This episode is basically one giant.
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Joey speculates wildly.
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Okay.
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Now I know why you chose him.
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Enjoy.
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Uh, so let's start with Ruth Gwynne.
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Okay.
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And that's the first attack in 1952.
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Oh, Ruth Gwyn was 57 years old and she worked as a secretary.
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And before we even get to her murder, Ruth had survived a really terrifying attack.
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Oh, poor thing.
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Seven years prior to when our first murder begins in 1952, Ruth was attacked in basically the same area of Los Angeles where she would eventually be murdered.
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Wait, I'm sorry.
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She was attacked in 1952.
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Yeah, 1952.
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Not murdered in 1952.
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No, no.
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Murdered in 1952, attacked in 1945.
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No, in 1952, she was attacked.
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Oh, in seven years later.
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Seven years later, she gets murdered in roughly the same area.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So a man tried to force Ruth into his car.
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Oh.
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She resisted and she tried to get away.
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And then he shot her in the back, but Ruth survived.
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And as far as I can find, that attacker was never identified.
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Okay.
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So apparently police apparently just didn't have any evidence establishing that the 1952 attack was and like and what happened seven years later was committed by the same person.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Because that's kind of like the thing.
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I think they were like, sorry, I keep like rearranging.
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Like, I can't, I feel like I'm looking down and I I don't want to.
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Um, so I think that was like kind of the main thing is that like we didn't really hear a lot about the 1952 attack because they couldn't connect it.
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Okay.
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So it was kind of like we don't we just forget about it.
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Well, yeah, and you really can't bring it up because then it's speculation.
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Yes, exactly.
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Yes.
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Um, so uh the it's actually important though, like, because obviously when you hear what happens, like you're gonna your first thought is gonna be like, what are the chances of the same attack happening in the same area?
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Um to the same person.
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Yeah.
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Uh because on May 28th, 1959, Ruth is attacked again while she's walking home from her job, and a man like reportedly jumps out from behind a tree.
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Oh my god, hits her with a piece of wood, and then he drags her into a parking lot and essays her.
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Um, and then contemporary reporting, which I hate saying contemporary reporting, but apparently that's what As a big historian.
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I use the word contemporary sources a lot.
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So yeah.
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Well, so contemporary reporting says that the assault was so violent that people like nearby, because it was just outside in a party.
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Yeah, literally she was a secretary, she was an officer.
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So like people nearby like became aware of the attack that was happening and like came to look and see what was going on.
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Um, and so obviously the attacker eventually like ran away.
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I was like, and I hope that that stopped it.
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It wasn't just like looky-loose, like those famous um Yeah, just like watching.
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Yeah, no.
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As people is like, as soon as people started like running up, they he bailed.
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Okay.
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Um, and then Ruth was actually still alive, so she was able to speak to the police.
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Um, but her injuries were too severe, and she died several hours later.
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But yeah, I mean, think about this woman's life.
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Yeah, she survived somebody trying to abduct her and shooting her in the back in 52.
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How do you, I mean, in 52, surviving a GSW is probably going to cause a lot of problems for sure.
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Yeah.
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And then seven years later, in nearly the same area, she's attacked by another man, and this time she does not survive.
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So it's wild.
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Um, do we know what caused the significant injuries or was it from internal?
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Um, I don't, it doesn't say, and also just side note on that same thing, we don't have a lot of photographs for this episode because it was in 1959.
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Like there just wasn't a lot of like photographs taken.
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I I gathered what I can.
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Um, but at this, but yeah, I mean like we don't know all like ton of information that we would normally have in depth now because the reporting was different.
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Okay.
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Um but it's contemporary.
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Uh yeah, contemporary reporting.
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Um but there are like the it's it's beating.
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It's it's I know for sure that the beatings are very brutal.
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Oh, okay.
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So it's probably internal.
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Yeah.
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Could be trauma.
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Like yeah, probably like on that level.
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Um, but Ruth's murder eventually becomes what is generally considered the first murder attributed to our killer.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Um, then we have a gap of about eight months.
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January 29th, 1960.
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The next woman is Amanda E.
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Rockefeller.
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She is 73 years old.
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Oh my god.
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Amanda is found dead in an alley about two blocks from her home.
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She had been strangled.
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And now we're starting to get something that police are eventually going to recognize as a pattern.
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Okay.
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Older women, right?
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I'm sorry, how wait, how old was Bruno?
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52.
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Okay, okay.
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Yeah.
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That is not an older woman.
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How dare you?
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Okay.
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Los Angeles, violent attacks, and there's strangulation.
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Um, and less than two weeks later, another woman is killed.
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Okay.
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February 10th, 1960.
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Her name is Ann Cotter, and she's 60 years old and was reportedly a nurse.
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Uh, and she is walking to church when she's attacked and murdered.
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So it's still broad daylight.
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It's just daylight.
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Why not?
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Well, there's no cameras or anything like that around then.
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True.
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Um, but yeah, and then her case becomes another one police eventually associate with the same unknown killer.
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Okay.
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So we've got Ruth, Amanda, and Anne, right?
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Uh, then we get to Elmira Miller.
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That's a pretty name.
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Elmira's case is really important.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Because initially she looks like she belongs here.
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Okay.
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But she doesn't.
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Elmira Miller was in her 70s.
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Okay.
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Her body was discovered in her apartment on May 2nd, 1960.
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Already outside of the body.
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Yeah.
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She had been strangled.
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Her clothing had been pulled up.
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Her underwear had been torn.
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Everything about that scene appeared to suggest that she'd been the victim of a sexually motivated attack.
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Yeah.
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Which sounds right up our alley.
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Right?
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Older woman strangled inside her home, possible sexual component.
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So Elmira gets grouped into what police are beginning to believe could be a series.
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Now we get to May 13th, 1960.
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Only like two weeks after Elmira, right?
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Bessie Elva Green is 60 years old.
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She was reportedly an apartment manager.
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And Bessie is found murdered inside her apartment.
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Oh, okay.
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So again, she had been essayed.
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Her apartment had also been burglarized and ransacked.
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Okay.
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Again, older woman inside her residence, sexual violence, murder, and then barely over a month later, after that, June 20th, 1960, Grace A.
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Moore.
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She's 83.
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Can I ask really quick, what is the proximity of these?
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They're all within the same area.
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All within the same area of Los Angeles.
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Also, I have a question.
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Do we think he's attacking in the home now as to not be interrupted?
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Because the others were.
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Yeah, people were out.
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People were now the attacks are really violent.
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So it's likely that, you know, he's trying to get away from that or draw less attention.
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Yeah.
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Grace is murdered inside her home.
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Okay.
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And by this point, investigators are looking at multiple murdered older women and trying to determine whether one man is responsible.
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Six days later, everything changes.
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Yeah.
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Because finally, somebody sees this guy.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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June 26th, 1960.
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Mercedes Langeron is 72 years old.
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She lives with her roommate, Adela Williams, who is 62.
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Okay.
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Adela leaves the apartment to go to the store.
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While she's gone, Mercedes is attacked.
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She's essayed and strangled with a bed sheet.
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Then Adela comes home.
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Oh no.
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And there is a man in their apartment.
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This is where we finally get the description that everybody's been waiting for.
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Is Adela deceased?
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No, she's gonna tell somebody what he looked like.
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No, no, no, okay.
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Um what was the other I'm so sorry.
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Mercedes?
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Mercedes.
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Is Mercedes deceased?
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Mercedes is attacked as of this moment.
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Okay.
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Okay, okay.
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Yeah.
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I was just saying, because he could have just moved on to Adela, yeah, absolutely.
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So Adela describes him as a black man around 30 years old, approximately six feet tall.
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Okay, roughly 155 pounds.
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She described his hair.
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Yeah, six foot.
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That's 155 pounds.
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Yeah.
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It's a lightweight.
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Yeah.
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Um, she described his hair as like hanging over his eyes.
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Um, and then he was wearing dark glasses, a light-colored sporty shirt.
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Like I think that means like a polo.
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Or t-shirt.
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Yeah.
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And then gray pants that she described as, or I think later was described, as Ivy League style trousers with a buckle in the back.
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I've never experienced a buckle in the back.
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This is a very interesting description of someone.
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I'm trying to place it.
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But she that means, I mean, if she knows there's a buckle in the back of his pants, she probably got a pretty good look at the guy, right?
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Yeah, I mean that's what this sounds like.
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Yeah.
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It's a lot of description.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He is leaving the apartment when, like where Mercedes, who has just been murdered.
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Okay.
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That was a cliffhanger, but we got it.
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So he's leaving the apartment where Mercedes had been murdered, but Adela notices something else.
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He's holding something in his hand while he's so she enters the apartment, right?
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Yeah.
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He's holding something while he's le like leaving the room that Mercedes has been murdered in.
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And he's bouncing it.
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It's a little rubber ball oh my suspicion yeah toss your balls at me like just bouncing it like a handball screen no like a little rubber ball I mean like the ones you get in a little vending machine you know like oh why was I picturing a big handball or something okay yeah you just committed a murder he's and you're casually bouncing a ball he's skedaddling out of there with his bouncing ball question yeah um any of these women that were murdered was there a ball like lodged in there so it wasn't like a choking situation like a drawbreaker situation no okay Adela told the Los Angeles Times that he came out of the bedroom crouched low to the ground and bouncing the ball ew I hate that looked at her and then calmly walked out a what is it when you stand up prone at after you're crouched prone I don't know whatever he stood up and continued to bounce the ball straightened up for some yeah erect fully erect I don't like that word we're not gonna use that um and he calmly walked out while continuing to bounce the ball yeah and now we have a stupid nickname the bouncing ball killer hate it but they need dumb names yeah he was also called the bouncing ball slayer the bouncing the bouncing ball strangler and the rubber ball strangler apparently the newspapers were just throwing shit at the wall I guess all of this sounds like BDSM to me like all of it bouncing ball killer is the name that stuck.
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Okay so police now finally had an eyewitness description okay and police artist Hector Garcia used Adela's description to create a composite sketch.
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Oh good the sketch goes public and Los Angeles basically loses its mind by the Los Angeles was always losing its mind over something.
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By the end of June say that we live here yeah we exactly I mean no we live close ish yeah we don't live in LA we don't live in LA County that's the truth anyway by the end of June police reportedly had more than a hundred tips I mean that's low that's actually for us now it's low yeah I mean it wasn't like social media they didn't have it's it wasn't posted everywhere not everyone had a phone I'm assuming I mean they're all answering the telephone that doesn't operator and they're hosting yeah we're gonna get to some of those people um you know because everybody thinks they know the bouncing bell ball killer so we're gonna we're gonna get down the line on that but first the fucking ball comes back so August 18th 1960 we're now at a home around the area of San Pedro and Avalon Okay yeah inside this house are multiple people I don't know I don't know why there are multiple people inside this house I have no idea what's going on or what their situation is like multiple people living there or like a part of his family no I mean this I have no idea okay okay okay we are multiple people in a house it's true um maybe they had a podcast the very first ever it's Petro I'm from Petro I can see that um okay so among the people in this house are Motty Hall and her 10 year old granddaughter Mary Foster.
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Okay a man enters the home ew yeah how I feel when that happens every time just in general yeah ew he brutally attacks Motty and Mary with a blunt object what yeah do we know how old they are 10 from Mary's 10 there's no age on uh Motty okay but it's her granddaughter but it's her granddaughter so I miss that part she's obviously older woman uh the injuries to their heads and faces are extremely serious both of them survive yeah now here's why this gets connected to our guy Floyd Harris is also there a man in the house was already there yeah okay sources conflict slightly on his exact relationship and age he is described in some accounts as a neighbor and in others as Hall's son-in-law oh okay but the important part is he was there and what he says he heard so Floyd wakes up because apparently he was asleep so I don't know is it nighttime I'm not sure he could be taking a nap if he's older I don't know naps are for everybody today is the morning so Floyd wakes up he hears moaning and then he hears another sound oh gosh bounce I hate it bounce bounce right a rubber ball hitting the floor Floyd goes after the intruder good for him he actually like chases this man for several blocks okay yeah but eventually he loses him and now like we're back to the ball right because with Mercedes we had Adela physically see the man bouncing a ball.
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Yes right now less than two months later we have another violent attack where a witness says he hears a rubber ball bouncing.
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Okay that still doesn't prove it's the same guy obviously but now I understand why police were like obsessed with this detail because how I mean he's just carrying a rubber ball around all the time I mean plus he was chasing him down the street if he's in pursuit of him he can somewhat to at least have a slow nighttime we think because he was asleep I'm assuming speculating um then comes September 1st 1960 Lena Bensusan 84 years old is attacked during a home invasion she's severely beaten but initially she survives she's taken to Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center and because Lena is alive police are reportedly able to get a description of her attacker oh okay the description was said to resemble the description already given for the bouncing ball killer.
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Okay so it's matching unfortunately Lena's injuries were too severe and she died on September 6th 1960 1960 so the from the jump this is such a short amount of time yes very short it's all it's all roughly within now we're like we were we're within it's not not even been a year.
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Yeah yeah um and then September 6th is about to become very important okay yeah not just because it's Michelle's birthday on September 6th police arrest a man called Henry Bush okay okay Henry Adolph Bush that's an unfortunate middle name I don't even think you can name you can't think you can adolf anymore it's a legal it's illegal no I'm not joking it is illegal it is yeah that's rough serious um Henry Adolf Busch was 29 years old he lived alone in Los Angeles he worked at an optical factory an optical factory optical factory so I'm assuming that they made glasses or optics some sort of fiber optics which don't exist yet because it's 1960.
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Yeah it's 1960 okay okay so we're assuming he made eyeglasses okay uh and before this he didn't have a prior criminal record on the morning of September 6th 1960 Bush runs into a coworker named Magdalena Parra.
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Okay I love that name he asks if she wants to ride with him to get a coffee she gets into his car and he attacks her he tries to strangle her with his hands okay that's different yeah Magdalena fights back she screams and she gets out of the car yeah oh yeah yeah Bush tries to start the car and he floods the engine loser how do you do that yeah we don't even know what that means yeah so instead he just takes off running he just fucking bolts leave the car it's fine yeah no one can identify you by there's no fingerprints back then it's fine don't just just of course not and you're probably in a like super fast runner right yeah he's six feet he's got range I mean he he outran um who Frank Frank yeah yeah assuming this is the same guy okay yeah I thought we were speculating wildly here I'm a speculative two truck drivers chase him down and catch him hell yeah yeah the police arrive and when they search Henry Bush he has a knife and handcuffs on him okay then while he's sitting in the police car on the way to the station he starts talking okay why not why not Bush tells police he killed two women he just told the police in the car that he killed two women singing okay yeah okay sure over the previous weekend okay yeah was this okay I did a Costco run I don't know what his life is very vastly different yeah so he tells him that he killed these two women over the weekend and that he's gonna show them where the bodies are those women were Shirley Payne and Margaret Briggs which we haven't met yet two new women no but this is true yeah Shirley Payne and Margaret Briggs murdered yeah were they were they elderly while investigators are dealing with that okay Bush admits there's another one remember Elmira Miller?
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:23.599
Yes Bush knew Elmira she had apparently been a friend and a confidant of his since he was young piece of shit.
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:36.160
He went to her apartment and they like talked for about an hour watched some television and sometime around nine or ten that night he got up to leave Elmira had her back to him.
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:40.960
Bush later told investigators that he suddenly just had an impulse to kill her.
00:33:42.319 --> 00:34:08.480
So he put his arm around her neck from behind and strangled her okay then he did something that's incredibly important to this entire investigation he staged the crime scene Bush pulled Elmira's house coat up to make it look like a sexy over her hips and tore her underwear.
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:23.360
And according to his confession he specifically did that because he wanted police to think she'd been essay'd yeah basically make this look like a sex crime so they're looking for some sex offender instead of May.
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:30.559
And it worked her murder looked enough like the others that it was associated with the bouncing ball killer.
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:31.119
Okay.
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:37.360
So when Bush confessed the physical evidence at the scene was consistent with his account.
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:37.920
Okay.
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:44.000
That's how police discover that one of the supposed bouncing ball murders wasn't actually part of the series.
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:44.559
Okay.
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:50.000
Bush admits to killing Elmira, Shirley Payne and Margaret Briggs.
00:34:50.559 --> 00:35:07.119
He described these urges to kill people he even told investigators that if Magdalena hadn't escaped him, he probably would have taken her somewhere isolated 100% probably Griffith Park and killed her.
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.480
He was convicted of all three murders.
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:11.119
Good.
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:20.480
He received second degree murder convictions for Elmira and Shirley and a first degree murder conviction for Margaret Briggs because apparently she was his aunt.
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:22.559
And he probably planned it.
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.039
The other ones he said it just came over him right I think Margaret and Shirley were together.
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:43.280
So I think Shirley probably was random yeah um but yeah either way the California Supreme Court affirmed his judgment in 1961 and Bush was executed in California's gas chamber was in 1962.
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:50.480
Yeah they didn't mess around with time like right like now people are waiting for now it's 2026 flipped the switch.
00:35:50.719 --> 00:36:00.800
Right yeah you're out also I forgot that the gas chamber was a gas away yeah so obviously police had to ask could Henry Bush be the bouncing ball killer?
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:15.199
Yeah right he had killed older women he strangled them he knew how to stage a crime scene to appear sexually motivated but investigators never established that Bush was responsible for the unsolved bouncing ball murders.
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:15.760
Okay.
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:28.079
So we're still looking and there were plenty of other possibilities remember there were so many tips coming in right several men were actually detained or arrested for these crimes.
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:37.039
On July 3rd 1960 38 year old noble harper was arrested after being seen outside a market.
00:36:37.519 --> 00:38:06.239
He apparently resembled the composite this is what I was afraid of just from the description yeah you already knew yeah I already knew yeah giving the pollen of those times yeah um I'm sorry what date was this again July July yeah so this is before because that happened but then we're going back because these are the people started being arrested were bouncing balls a thing at that time like I think they were new like how yoyos were like big maybe they were new I don't remember when the rubber ball became like it was invented before um but this guy was arrested just for basically resembling the composite sketch of course but guess what he was doing outside that market was he bouncing a ball he was just I mean okay I'm gonna I can't stop with the okay don't I couldn't find any rubber balls you guys so I'm using beer palm balls bet Raven has one I could have bought one if you told me I have some in my I have some do you want one I really have two in my little drawer to keep them um so anyways like you know he's just bouncing a rubber ball outside of a market bro you know like read the room it's 1960 what else are you gonna do with your time oh it's gone beetles never gonna be on my deer pong bro I play flip cup yeah exactly but never on my deer pong team so police investigated this guy right and they didn't find any evidence like tying him to the murders at all.
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:25.679
Okay he was cleared the next day then there's Ray Williams a bricklayer who was arrested on July 10th because police believed he resembled the composite his shoe size also reportedly matched information investigators had about their you got you got our man here.
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:59.360
Yeah jeez again nothing established him as the killer then I also uh racism did then on July 23rd police arrest Joseph Walter Malvo 23 police see him near the Coliseum and notice that his facial features look like the composite apparently even his friends had been telling him he looked like this guy okay yeah Malvo basically tells police the idea that he's the killer is a lot of baloney.
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:01.199
I thought that's so cute.
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:04.880
But does he have like an uncle or a daddy resembles?
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:07.599
I don't know it's just baloney babe.
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:11.679
His shoe size was reportedly also consistent.
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:30.639
But police couldn't connect him to the murders so he's released also okay now let's talk about someone much more interesting okay July 12th 1960 police get a call about a woman screaming near the Los Angeles City College area officers arrive.
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:35.599
They see 35 year old Raymond Ward Clemens getting into a car.
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:46.719
Nearby they find a dead woman she's only 19 years old her name is Nina T.
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:57.440
Thorin police question Clemens and he confesses to strangling Nina So we're already not dealing with an innocent guy who just happens to resemble a sketch.
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:00.559
Yeah right Clemens is a murderer.
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:08.800
He also had a criminal record and was reportedly on parole after serving time at San Quentin for a 1956 hit and run.
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:13.920
Okay and then police start talking to him about the bouncing ball killer.
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:29.119
And this story gets bizarre according to accounts of Clemens' confession he'd offered Nina a ride at some point Nina apparently joked with him and asked if he was the bouncing ball killer.
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.519
And Clemens basically says sure I'm the bouncing ball killer look in the glove compartment.
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:42.320
The ball's in there stop and then he confesses to being the bouncing ball killer.
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:44.800
What is going on with all these confessions?
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:57.920
Case closed right these guys are just force gumping their way through this investigation and getting actual murderers don't believe him.
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:10.079
Okay they give Clemens a polygraph and according to reporting at the time investigators concluded he was being deceptive when he claimed responsibility for being the bouncing ball murderer.
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:18.320
Now obviously today we're not treating a 1960 polygraph result as got ball.
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:18.880
Right.
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.119
So they aren't even admissible in court now.
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:21.519
No.
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:26.800
So I'm not gonna say the machine proved he wasn't the killer because it didn't.
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.679
Polygraphs have major limitations.
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:35.119
What matters historically is that police themselves did not accept his confession.
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:42.480
Clemens was held responsible for Nina Thorin's murder but he was never convicted of any of the bouncing ball murders.
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:42.880
Okay.
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:51.679
And this is one of the suspects I keep coming back to because unlike obviously noble harper, Raymond Clemens wasn't just some guy holding ball.
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:52.159
Yeah.
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.519
He actually murdered a woman by strangulation while this investigation was happening.
00:41:57.760 --> 00:41:59.039
And like in broad daylight.
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:00.400
And he claimed to be the killer.
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:06.559
And right smack in the middle of all the others and then there's Charles Colston.
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:22.159
Jeez I'm suspicious of his name already this happens the following year August 28th 1961 and that's like a good deal of time between all these exactly preespiciously long time after he was like week after week.
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:26.880
Right and then it's like oh I'm getting like found out about so like let me chill for a bit.
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:33.840
Yeah yeah so Long Beach police arrest 20 year old chain Charles James Colston.
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:41.199
He's accused of the rape and strangulation murder of an 81 year old woman named Dora Ann Cutting.
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:41.920
Okay.
00:42:42.880 --> 00:43:03.199
Stop stop it right yeah elderly woman sexual assault strangulation strangulation southern California and we're barely a year removed from the bouncing ball murders not far away it's just Long Beach yeah it's not that far away no I mean and wouldn't you like relocate?
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:27.840
It's still long yeah it's still Ellie it's still Ellie County 100% so obviously Los Angeles police are interested Golston is also questioned regarding the disappearance of 11 year old Karen Lynn Tompkins although he is eventually cleared in that case 11 yeah but Los Angeles investigators learn about Golston's arrest and want to question him about the bouncing ball murders.
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:28.880
And you can see why.
00:43:29.039 --> 00:44:02.800
Yes Dora Cutting is 81 yes she's graped she's strangled there's not a word for that and Golston is arrested for her murder that is much closer to the victimology and method investigators had been looking at than some random guy who resembled the sketch rightstally tried and convicted of Dora Cutting's murder and he's sentenced to death his execution is scheduled more than once but stays of execution until Intervene and then California's death penalty landscape changes.
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:04.480
Yeah.
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.400
Obviously, the changed in the early 1970s.
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:13.280
And Golston's death sentence is ultimately converted into a life imprisonment.
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:13.840
Okay.
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:16.639
But more frustrating.
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:25.280
Despite Los Angeles police wanting to question him, Charles Golston was never definitively linked to the bouncing ball murders.
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.639
So now look at what police are dealing with.
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:30.480
Henry Bush, right?
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:39.199
Definitely a serial murderer of older women who strangled his victims, and we know he killed one woman originally attributed to this series.
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:40.159
Yes.
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:42.880
But he knew he had relationships.
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:43.920
He did have ties.
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:44.400
Yes.
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:46.320
Correct.
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:53.599
Raymond Clemens definitely strangled and murdered a woman during the investigation and literally confessed to being the bouncing ball killer.
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:53.760
Yeah.
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:56.079
Although police didn't believe him.
00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:03.679
Charles Golston, convicted of graping and strangling an 81-year-old woman in nearby Long Beach.
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:14.079
And yet, none of them can be established as the man Adela Williams saw leaving Mercedes Langaron's apartment bouncing that little ball.
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:18.800
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is where this case ends.
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:19.760
Stop.
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:26.880
We've reached the point in this story where we have officially run out of facts.
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:27.519
Great.
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:29.440
So now we have blue bouncing balls.
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:33.280
So basically in the 60s, LA was riddled with murderers.
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:34.159
Yes.
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:35.760
So you can get away with things.
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:40.000
Now that we're out of facts, that means speculation.
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:41.039
Speculation.
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:42.800
Joey speculates wildly.
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:43.280
Okay.
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:44.480
And I have thoughts.
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:44.960
Okay.
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.840
Because I don't think all of these murders were committed by the same person.
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:50.719
No, I don't either.
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:50.960
Yeah.
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:51.360
No.
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:55.119
We already know they weren't because Elmira Miller proves that.
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:58.079
Henry Bush killed her and literally staged her body.
00:45:58.320 --> 00:45:58.639
Yes.
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:03.360
So right off the bat, the neat little list of bouncing ball killer victims is broken.
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:05.679
And here's where I start wondering.
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.800
I think there really was a man with the ball.
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:09.199
Yeah.
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:11.360
I'm not throwing that part out at all.
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:11.840
Okay.
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:19.599
Adela saw him leaving, and then less than two months later, Floyd hears the rubber ball bouncing during the attack on Maudy and Mary.
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.400
And that's San Pedro, not super far from Long Beach.
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:22.639
Right.
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:22.960
Right.
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:24.639
And it's weirdly specific.
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.760
If, like, how is he gonna sit?
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:29.360
You know, it's like, come on.
00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:38.079
So for purposes of Joey Speculates Wildly, I'm putting Mercedes and Maudy and Mary together in one attack.
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:38.320
Okay.
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:40.239
Like person, person attack.
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:40.719
Okay.
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:43.280
I don't have any proof, of course, absolutely fucking not.
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:50.320
But welcome to the not just killers, they're riddled with serial killers because what you just said and that other guy admitted to three.
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:51.679
So Yeah.
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:53.760
Whole lot, whole lot going on.
00:46:54.239 --> 00:47:04.800
Uh, but then what if we're not looking at one serial killer, as we say are saying, what if we're looking at several whose crimes got shoved into the same file, right?
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:05.440
For sure.
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:09.519
And like Henry Bush is running around strangling women at this exact moment, right?
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:09.840
Yeah.
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:12.880
Raymond Clemens strangles Nina Thorin.
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:13.360
Yes.
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:18.239
Charles Golston will rape and strangle 81-year-old Dora Cudding, right?
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:23.039
And somewhere in the middle of all of this is our little fucking ball guy.
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:32.239
So, what if the reason police could never catch the bouncing ball killer is because they were trying to catch one man for crimes committed by multiple men?
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:38.400
I mean, it makes the most sense because they were already trying to catch one man and caught multiple men.
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:44.960
I mean, what the fuck was going on in the 60s where these men were trying to go after these older women?
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:45.440
Right.
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:47.599
Defenseless older women.
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:49.280
They're not, what are they, what, why?
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:50.159
Yeah, exactly.
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:50.960
Yeah.
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:55.440
And now I want to go a step further because Raymond Clemens bothers me.
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:57.679
I told you it wait, no, that wasn't him.
00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:58.480
No, that was Charles.
00:47:59.039 --> 00:47:59.360
Charles.
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:00.079
Yeah.
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.119
This man isn't some random suspect.
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:08.800
He actually strangled a woman during the investigation and then talks about being the killer, right?
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:09.119
Right.
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:15.840
And supposedly there's even this bizarre conversation where Nina asks him if he's the ball killer, and he basically tells her, like, yeah, look in the glove box.
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:17.519
Is there something in the glove box?
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:18.559
That's the thing.
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:20.239
We don't know.
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:24.400
Then he confesses, and police decide he's lying.
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:26.639
And maybe he was, okay.
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:31.440
But here's my question What if he wasn't lying about everything?
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:36.719
What if Clemens knew about the ball because he'd actually committed one or two of these attacks?
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:37.519
Sure thing.
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:38.000
Okay.
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:42.320
Because as I said, like we can put those together, right?
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:48.800
Um uh Mauddy, Mary, and um Adela.
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:49.199
Yeah.
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.559
And well, Mercedes, because Adela's the one who's are, yeah.
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:54.320
Um, so it's like we can put those together.
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:58.800
So, like, what if Clemens was like the one responsible for those?
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:03.280
And then this later series, right?
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:09.679
So it's like then he started claiming murders that weren't his, which has happened in the past.
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:11.119
It's not like that's never happened.
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:12.079
So many times.
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:13.199
You know, it's not unheard of.
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:14.559
State of fake confession.
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:15.360
Yeah.
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:18.639
Or flip it, change it, rearrange it.
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:27.360
What if Clemens had absolutely nothing to do with Mercedes, but saw how much attention that this bouncing ball killer was getting and decided, yeah, that's me.
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:27.840
Yeah.
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.480
I mean, I feel like that might be a little bit more positive.
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:31.440
A little more plausible.
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:34.960
Yeah, because if he's going down for those things, why not admit it?
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:38.559
Because just getting cred in prison for street cred.
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:38.960
Yeah.
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:39.679
Yeah.
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:45.039
But, you know, I mean, it's I mean, and that's the truth though, because like you need branding.
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:49.199
This is like the day and age where it was like, mm-hmm, gotta get a nickname, gotta get a gimmick, right?
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:49.519
Yeah.
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:50.239
Yeah.
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:52.079
Then we have Charles Golston.
00:49:52.159 --> 00:50:00.639
And Golston is the one that makes me go, like, wait a fucking minute, because a year later he's convicted of raping and strangling an 81-year-old woman.
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:02.079
And that's another knock.
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:03.440
I knew I didn't like his name.
00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:03.840
Yeah.
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:05.599
Just not looking like the sketch, right?
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:11.119
Like it's remarkably similar to the victim profile and the type of crime that the police had been investigating.
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:18.320
So here's my completely unsupported Joey speculates wild theory.
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:18.480
Okay.
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:20.320
But speculation doesn't need to be supported.
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:25.039
I think the bouncing ball killer might actually be three different things.
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:25.599
Okay.
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:26.000
Okay.
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:31.119
There are the murders police grouped together because the victims and methods looked similar.
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:36.880
There are crimes committed by other killers, which we know happened because of Henry Bush, right?
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.079
And then there's the actual bouncing ball guy.
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:40.719
Yeah.
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:42.960
The man Adela saw.
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:48.639
And that is a person that we want identified because we already know who killed these other people, right?
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:51.440
Maybe he only killed Mercedes.
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.519
Maybe he attacked Motty and Mary.
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.679
And maybe he's responsible for several of the earlier murders.
00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:00.400
Right.
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.920
Maybe Reming Raymond Clemens was him.
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:07.199
Maybe Charles Golston was him.
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:13.840
I mean, if we were going to attribute the earliest crimes to anybody, that'd be kind of hard though, because those were younger women.
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.199
I mean, much further outside of the 80s.
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:20.239
But also if these women But it progressed.
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:20.719
Exactly.
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:21.920
That's what I was just gonna say.
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.039
It was like, oh, these girls could fight back.
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:27.679
They had youth on their side to a certain degree.
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:28.239
Yeah.
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:29.360
And like that's the thing.
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:34.320
That's why I'm like, okay, so like this would the last one was 81.
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:36.400
So it's like, you know, I don't know.
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:46.480
But maybe, and this is the possibility that I find the creepiest, maybe he isn't anywhere in this story at all.
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:47.280
Right?
00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:56.639
Like maybe he's not one of our suspects, and maybe he just saw the composite in the newspaper just like everybody else did, and realized, oh shit.
00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:57.119
Yeah.
00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:58.239
She saw me.
00:51:59.119 --> 00:51:59.360
Right?
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:02.480
And stopped.
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:10.480
Because after Adela gives police that description, suddenly his face is in newspapers all over Los Angeles.
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:16.559
And everybody is looking for a black man around six feet tall who apparently has a fucking emotional support ball.
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:18.559
Emotional support ball.
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:22.079
I feel like someone that ramped up wouldn't just stop though.
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:23.039
Or yeah, it would be a lot of people.
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.280
But he would have just could have just stopped.
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:26.639
He would need some kind of outlet.
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:28.320
But maybe he changes his behavior.
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:28.960
Exactly.
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.039
Maybe he leaves Los Angeles.
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:34.400
Maybe he goes to prison for something completely unrelated.
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:35.760
Which is or died.
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:36.159
We know.
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:37.039
Maybe he dies.
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:37.519
Exactly.
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:37.760
Yeah.
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:39.760
We know that this is super common to happen.
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.880
And that is my final Joey Speculates Wildly.
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:46.320
I don't think we're looking for the man who committed every murder on this list.
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:47.519
No, I don't think so either.
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:57.599
I think we're looking for the man that Adela Williams saw leaving Mercedes Lingeron's apartment and possibly the man Floyd Harris chased after hearing that ball dancing.
00:52:57.760 --> 00:52:58.400
Yeah.
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:09.599
Nonetheless, more than 60 years later, after all the suspects, confessions, arrests, and actual murderers who wandered into this investigation.
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:11.199
Literally.
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:13.039
Bounced into this investigation.
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:13.599
Oh.
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:18.320
We still don't know who that man was.
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:20.320
Again.
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:21.119
Yeah.
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:24.400
We're gonna be left with blue bouncing balls.
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:27.119
I didn't get that color.
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:35.760
I heard in some cases it was red, hence the but also cherry in our drink.
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:36.400
Oh, yeah.
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:36.880
By the way.
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.360
Do you know what time of day the Mercedes murder was?
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:42.239
Like maybe her description was just wrong.
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:43.760
Maybe he was.
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:45.039
Adela was going to the store.
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:46.239
So it was during that.
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:46.400
Yeah.
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:47.039
Okay.
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:47.280
Yeah.
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:51.039
But like maybe he was just tall and she was like six feet, but he was like five ten.
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:51.920
I mean.
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:53.280
Yeah.
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:53.679
I don't know.
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:55.280
Like five nine's taller than me.
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:56.079
Right.
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:58.800
I need I mean, there's a lot of things taller than you.
00:53:58.960 --> 00:53:59.199
Yeah.
00:53:59.440 --> 00:53:59.840
Most things.
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:01.039
Most things.
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:02.400
I don't know.
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:04.559
Make maybe her description wasn't spot on.
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:04.880
Yeah.
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.199
Eyewitness accounts aren't always the most accurate, right?
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:10.000
Reliable.
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:10.400
Yeah.
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:10.960
Yeah.
00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:11.840
True.
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:19.519
It's just so interesting that, like, you he this girl, like Adela saw him saw him with the ball.
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:21.679
And then this guy heard him with the ball.
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:21.840
Yeah.
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:22.239
Exactly.
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:23.360
Those two for sure.
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:23.679
Yes.
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:24.159
I think so.
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:26.480
That's why I had people aren't just bouncing balls all over.
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:28.880
That's why I'm like, okay, I can group these together.
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:31.440
And maybe the earlier ones could be attributed to it.
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:31.760
Yeah.
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:34.639
I also think that's super close to Long Beach.
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:34.960
Yeah.
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.320
I feel like it fits the ammo.
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:38.559
Yeah.
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:40.960
And they're all somewhat close to the other.
00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:43.119
And there's no way those were his only two.
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:43.760
No, no.
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.880
Some those types of situations, there's a string.
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:47.360
For sure.
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:47.679
Yeah.
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:47.920
Yeah.
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:49.920
And they usually start small, ramp up.
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:50.320
Yeah.
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:54.239
It wasn't just bouncing ball killer.
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:55.760
The bouncing ball killer.
00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:57.599
Yeah.
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:00.239
Like cool ball, bro.
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:01.920
Yeah, seriously.
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:07.679
Again, though, when this is, we've gone through times in our society.
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:12.800
I mean, bouncing balls, hacky sacks, yo-yos.
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:19.280
I definitely had a point in my high school career where I got really good at yo-yos.
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.880
Raven got a yo-yo at school, and I was like, let me show you something.
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:25.840
Um, Cats in the Cradle or whatever the fuck it is.
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:26.800
Yeah.
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:29.280
Adorable.
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:31.360
That's so not nerdy.
00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:33.679
All day long.
00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:34.800
You walk that dog.
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:36.960
You walk that dog, baby.
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:38.239
I told Jilly.
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:44.400
I was like, because she told me that Hackies coming back that the kids in school are creating hacky sack circles.
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:47.920
And I was like, I have one in the glove compartment.
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:50.480
Anytime you want, it's the truth.
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.360
You ever want to get uh a little sack going?
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:55.119
I can help.
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:56.960
But I was like, mark my words.
00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:58.639
By the time you're received, stop.
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:03.280
By the time you're a senior, somebody's coming to school with a yo-yo.
00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:04.239
It's going to happen.
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:06.480
I mean, okay, like yo-yos are like okay.
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:07.679
Like they're kind of cool.
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:10.320
Like, it's cool to like watch them do like tricks.
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:11.440
Oh, I can't do many.
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:12.400
I can up and down.
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:14.320
I'm not just gonna like sit here and go like this.
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.360
Like, you don't, you freaking okay.
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:20.880
And then you flip it and you do this, and I can stop it, and then I can get it.
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:21.440
And then it's a thing.
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:22.400
Yeah, you can do cool.
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:23.920
That's different.
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:25.519
What I'm talking about.
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:28.960
No, you weren't talking about you were having talking about having a hacky sack in your kids.
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:29.760
You have to love colours.
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:31.039
You stall it?
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:31.599
I don't even have to.
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:32.880
What are you the hacky sack killer?
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:34.800
Yeah, dude, I might be.
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:36.719
Check the colour box.
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:47.119
Oh my god.
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:47.920
That's it.
00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:49.599
Listen.
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:53.039
You guys ready to close the tab on my cakes?
00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:53.840
Yes.
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:56.800
Till next time.
00:56:57.519 --> 00:56:58.639
Don't get 86.
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:00.719
And check those glove boxes.