ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Kyla Holley explains why decades of dieting rules often hold people back after bariatric surgery or while on GLP-1s, and why letting go of rigid rules is essential to long-term success.
We explore why the dieting mindset was never designed for long-term success, and why carrying it into life after weight loss surgery can keep you feeling trapped, frustrated, and disconnected from your body.
You’ll learn why diet rules fail, how they impact your relationship with food after bariatric surgery, and what a more sustainable, empowering approach actually looks like.
This is your invitation to shift from restriction to self-trust—and finally create food freedom that lasts.
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Today I wanted to dive into something that I see day in day out with most of the patients
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that go through bariatric surgery and that whole journey. And one of my biggest jobs,
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I think, as far as supporting people after surgery, is trying to get them to not think
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like a dieter anymore. So most people come to the stage of having surgery with a really
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long dieting history. They've been on every crazy diet over the years and each time they've
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been on one of these diets, they learn a little bit more that they sort of add to their set
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of beliefs about what it takes to lose weight. And quite often these set of beliefs have
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been carried over from one diet to the next, added to, they've built up this whole library
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of beliefs about weight loss and about all the rules that should apply to it. And one
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of the questions I always ask is, if this worked, we wouldn't be here. So in other words,
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if the dieting rules had worked, if you'd really hit on an amazing formula here, why
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are we sitting here talking about bariatric surgery or the possibility of that? So getting
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rid of those dieting rules, that dieting mindset that we develop sometimes over decades before
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people come for surgery, it's really important to try and let that go and develop a whole
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new attitude around food, attitude around your body maybe, and attitude about how you
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make your choices in that situation. So the truth is, the dieting mindset that shaped
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your past is often the very thing that could hold you back in your future. It's really
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important to say that, and it's really important that you have a red hot go at trying to get
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rid of all those dieting led thoughts. So let's think back to the beginning about what
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all those diets may have taught you over the years. So most of us, as I say, have a
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long history of dieting, and we've probably tried everything, even the crazy stuff. So
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we've discovered that carbohydrates are terrible. You can't have any of those. We've discovered
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that calories are something that is meant to be counted. We've discovered that shakes
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are a completely viable option to have as an entire meal. We've discovered that fasting
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can be a good idea sometimes, especially intermittent fasting. So we've learned on one diet or either
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that eating between certain times is what it's all about. Even, I remember one diet
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I did years and years ago, the blood group diet. Did anyone try that one? So whatever
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your blood group is, that dictates exactly what you should and shouldn't eat. I remember
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going on another diet, oh, this was even longer ago, where it involved an awful lot of eating
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bananas. I think there was about five days where you had to eat a sort of homemade vegetable
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soup and then on one day you ate nothing but bananas, eight bananas and milk, I think was
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something like that. I don't honestly know what the point of that diet was, but I remember
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going on it. So we come with all these rules, things that we believe we've learned, not
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to eat after a certain time, not to eat a certain thing, not to eat a certain thing
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in conjunction with another thing. So try and think of the weirdest diets you've been
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on and each time I think there's some part of these diets that we reject as being nonsense,
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but there might be a tiny part of that diet that on some level made sense to us. And these
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are the little building blocks that from every diet that we go on, we kind of pull a little
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bit of information out of that diet and go, yeah, but that bit seems to make sense. And
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then we tack it onto something else until in the end, we've got this whole structure,
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this whole foundation of dieting, which we kind of believe in. But as I say, why do we
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believe it? The evidence is not there that it worked. So basically we did this for years
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and years and years. We were good in inverted commas during the week. Maybe sometimes we
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weren't so good at the weekends, but when it failed, we really took it as a personal
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failure. We have failed on this diet because whoever sold us the diet is still out there
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telling us that had we stuck to the rules, we would have been successful. So it's really sold
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to us as our failure. So all these diets over the years are generally built on things like
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restriction, deprivation, control, and also short-term outcomes. And sometimes the diet
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delivers on a short-term basis, but not really on a long-term basis. So diets teach us what
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to eat. They teach us when to eat, how much to eat, sometimes how to eat. But what they don't
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teach us is how to actually trust our bodies, how to handle those emotional triggers that might
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happen around food, and also how to feel safe around food, how to trust it and how to trust
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ourselves with it. So we learn along the way that we kind of can't be trusted and we can't
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trust ourselves. We need those rules, otherwise everything will go horribly wrong. And what we
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have to get back to is that innate trust in ourselves and in our bodies. We had it when
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you think about it. We had it. We were born with it. Somewhere along the line, we actually lost it.
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So after bariatric surgery, your body changes, your anatomy changes, but your mindset doesn't
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necessarily automatically upgrade with that. This is something that we have to work on. So when you
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carry over those same rigid rules into this new chapter of your life, you create some internal
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conflicts, I suppose. Things like telling yourself, I shouldn't have cravings anymore. I shouldn't want
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this. I shouldn't want something sweet. I shouldn't still like chocolate or cake. Or those feelings
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that, well, I've ruined everything now because I had this tiny little morsel of something that wasn't
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on my safe list. Or that old idea of, I'll start again on Monday. Or even the idea that this takes
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a level of concentration to do. And unless I'm completely switched on and concentrating on
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exactly what I eat 24-7, I'm going to fail. So we build up all these rigid rules. And of course,
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most of these rules are unsustainable. We should have learnt that over the years and years of
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dieting. Because we didn't sustain them then, how are we going to sustain them now? And this is what
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we have to get rid of and think of another way. So that dieting mentality tells us we're either
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on track or we're off track. It leads to what we call black and white thinking. The fact that
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something's either good or it's bad. And that if we're not succeeding, then we must be failing.
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But in real life, there's nuance. You know, there's these grey areas of us succeeding but maybe not in
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the way that we thought we would succeed. And maybe not by the way of imposing hard and fast
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rules on ourselves. So we have other things in life to deal with. We've got family, we've got
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emotions, we've got responsibilities, we've got work, we've got all these other things that we're
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juggling in addition to our relationship with food. So if we make one little mistake in any of those
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areas, does it mean we're a complete failure and we've completely blown it? So in other words,
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I mean, let's think of an example work as being one of the categories. Imagine one day you have
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a power cut and your alarm doesn't go off and you are late to work that day. Does that mean you're
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terrible at your job? Does that mean they should sack you, get rid of you because you were late
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on one day? Does that mean the education that you paid for and worked hard at to get into the job
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you've got, is that all meaningless because you were late for one day at work? You know,
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we've got to get some perspective over one little dietary indiscretion and what it might mean for
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the whole plan. And we need to look at life after bariatric surgery as much more of a long-term set
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up. And you then have to think, does that moment of indiscretion affect the rest of my life living
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with it? So it's taking us away from that short-term thinking that we have during a diet,
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where it's all about, I have to get to a certain weight by a certain time. And there seems to be
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some urgency to it with dieting. So we haven't blown it if we make one mistake. We're not either
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good or bad or a success or a failure. This is a learned thinking pattern that we've had through
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years and years of dieting. So the surgery will change your stomach mainly because most bariatric
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procedures have a restrictive element to them. But it doesn't necessarily change things like
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emotional eating or feeling guilty around the food or the reasons that we might actually self-sabotage
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or things like body image struggles. It doesn't change any of that. So in a world where there's
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all these things that feel unsure around food, what we tend to do is rely on rules to stay in
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control instead of actually doing the deeper work and actually looking at, well, hold on,
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why do I do these things? Why do my emotions take me straight to the fridge or to the cupboard? Why
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do I feel this way about my body? I wonder why I feel guilty about eating nice tasting foods
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or indulgent foods. Where does that guilt come from? Or why am I sabotaging my own efforts? We
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really need to look at what's going on underneath rather than just saying, I recognize these things
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are happening and I'll just impose rules to stop them happening because that simply doesn't work.
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And it leads to frustration. It leads to that sense of failure yet again, that also sense that you're
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back where you started. So you have to start, you know, the hard and fast rules start every Monday
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morning. And by the end of the week, we're not quite there anymore. So we start again on the
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Monday. We really want to get away from that type of thinking. It sort of sets us up for this cyclic
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behavior pattern, which we've been through time and time again. And we really want to break free
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from that. So let's think about us as we age, because generally we know with bariatric patients,
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the most common time to have surgery is actually in your forties. So generally by that time, you
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have been through a lot of diet years, probably 20 or so diet years. And when you think how your
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body has changed in that time as well, we're not even dealing with the same body that we were
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dealing with when we were 20, when we're 40 or we're 60. Lots and lots of things change as well
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as our life situation and our priorities change during that time. So really, the last thing we
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need is more rules. We need to enter a time in our lives where we start to actually treat ourselves
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with a bit more kindness and less judgment than maybe we have up to that point. What we actually
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need is to learn self-trust, to trust ourselves and our body, to learn compassion towards ourselves
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and also to others. We're very judgmental of ourselves sometimes, but I hear a lot of people
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be very judgmental towards others as well. We need more emotional awareness and we need more
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flexibility really around our emotions as well. And this is where something called food freedom
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comes in. And when I use that word, quite often people think this is an impossible thing to
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actually feel this sense of liberation around food, to be free of all these rules. And that
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doesn't mean chaos because a lot of people view that as, well, if I just give up all these rules,
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chaos will ensue. It will be, I'll eat whatever I want, whenever I want, and I will just pile on
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the way instantly. But it doesn't actually mean letting go of everything and having a situation
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where you're just stuffing yourself all day, every day. What it means is having a more intentional
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relationship with food, a more grounded and intentional relationship with food, where you
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actually listen to what your body's telling you and you respond instead of react. So once you've
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taken a chance to listen and learn what your body's telling you, you choose a response rather
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than a knee-jerk reaction. And we're also removing guilt from the equation altogether. And we actually
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become curious about ourselves and why we make decisions, why we make these choices, not judging
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ourselves and feeling guilty about those decisions that we've actually made. So letting go of these
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diet rules doesn't mean that we don't care. It doesn't mean we're being lazy. It doesn't mean
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we're losing control. It means we're choosing something that's more sustainable long term.
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We're choosing to align with our body and also to align with the bariatric procedure, whatever it
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is that you've had. We're learning to work with that and befriend it, if you like. I often say to my
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patients, if you can make a friend out of your sleeve or a friend out of your bypass, you're
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going to do much better in the long term. If you turn your bariatric procedure into the enemy and
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view it as something that stops you doing something. So saying something like, my sleeve is stopping me
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having that all-you-can-eat buffet or my bypass is stopping me having fun. And we start to view
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this thing as an enemy. You're going to constantly struggle with that probably for the rest of your
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life. So we've really got to look at it as a friend, as a friend that actually wants the
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best for us. And we have to really align with it. We have to choose to have a relationship with food
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that actually supports our life, supports our lifestyle and supports our health, rather than
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those hard and fast rules of something that requires commitment and concentration. And if
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we're not there, then we feel that we've failed. Because quite often I will set, say, a little
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homework task for someone that comes to see me. And they come back and they haven't done that task
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and they go, ah, I've been so busy, I haven't even had time to think about this thing. And I always
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respond by saying, this shouldn't take time to think about. You know, we don't spend our time
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thinking about how am I going to breathe tomorrow? What breathing plan have I got? How am I going to
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breathe around breakfast time? How am I going to breathe through that meeting at work? How am I
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going to breathe in the car on the way home? You know, we don't think about that. We just do it
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automatically. It doesn't require any thought. And again, our eating shouldn't be the main thing
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that's on our minds. It's something that we do and hopefully something that we actually really enjoy.
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But it shouldn't take up 99% of our thought processes. So in other words, it shouldn't
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require that level of concentration or attention that sometimes we give it during dieting.
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So I really encourage you to move forward and move away from dieting. As I said before, those rules
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that we learnt and we lived by, sometimes for many years, a lot of them simply don't
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work well in the context of bariatrics. And as I said right at the beginning, this is my most
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difficult job in the work that I do, is getting people to just leave that stuff alone. And I say
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things like, you know, if it was working, we wouldn't be here. And if diets did work, I would
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absolutely get you to do one rather than have surgery. Wouldn't that be brilliant? But
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unfortunately, they do not work. Whereas surgery can absolutely work and GLP-1 medications can
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absolutely work. But you have to have a change in your outlook. You have to really go back and
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reassess all the things that you've been sort of hiding behind, I suppose, by creating rules and
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thinking that if you live by a rule, instead of actually checking in on how your emotions are
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working and how your body feels, then these are the things that we have to go back and kind of
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reconsider after surgery or after any sort of weight loss. So hopefully this episode,
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even the tiniest thing that I've said today, maybe broke through just a little bit for you.
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And if that's the case, then great. So take a moment to reflect. Why am I still holding on to
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diet rules when I know they didn't work? That's what I'm going to put in brackets after that. We
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know these things don't work. Why do we still hold on to them? Also, what would it feel like if you
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were able to just release them? Let go of all the guilt and the shame and the doubt and the rules
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and the planning and the overthinking. What would happen if that just disappeared? How would that
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feel? And also, what sort of relationship with food do I actually want going forward? And I often
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reword this slightly in the work I do, and I say to patients, you have to decide what sort of life
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you want to live for the rest of your life. Do you want to spend it constantly thinking about food,
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constantly thinking about calories or the effect of those calories on your body? Do you want to
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live like that for the rest of your life? And quite often that's how that person's been living for the
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last 10, 20, 30, even 40 years. Do you want to carry on doing that? Do you want to spend your whole
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entire life thinking that way? Or do you want some freedom, some liberation from that way of thinking?
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So hopefully this has resonated with you. If you think it would resonate with someone else,
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lead them into this podcast. Also, it's worth mentioning that I do one-to-one private work with
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my patients who are going through surgery or who are on GLP-1 medications. That is open to you as
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well. You just need to email me to find out more about that. My email address is in the show notes.
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And if you did want to work with me personally, I'm absolutely open to doing that with a select
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few of you because I have a limited schedule, so I can't do this for everybody. But I have got a
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few little gaps at the moment that I could fill. So have a think about that. And I hope that I will
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also have your company next week. Thank you so much for your attention and listening to Smaller
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Stomach, Bigger Life once again. And I hope to catch you next week. Thanks for listening. Bye-bye.
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Don't forget to check the links in the episode notes to our six-week Change Your Relationship
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with Food course and to the Change Your Relationship with Food workbook and journal,
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which is available on Amazon.