EP #15 - Slacker Dave Loves Ron Wax

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So one with two.
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Someone who loves it all the four slacker days who loves Nebraska.
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Slacker Dave loves Nebraska.
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Slacker Dave loves Nebraska.
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And now, Slacker Dave.
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Hey.
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Loves Nebraska podcasts.
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Dude, that sounded like the radio.
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If I closed my eyes, that would have been the radio, Homer.
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I am Dave.
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First off, as always, want to thank everybody who's listened and downloaded and subscribed and liked and said anything to me and uh is a friend at all.
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And then of course, uh always shout out to my lovely wife, Amanda.
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I love you, baby.
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And uh they call it Amy at all?
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Amy, that's my sister, man.
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Any Amy.
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Amanda.
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Yeah, does she ever go by Amy ever?
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No, no, no.
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She's a man.
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I never knew that.
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No, that in India.
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I don't either.
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I I don't think it is a thing.
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No, I don't think it is a thing.
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I I would no, it's Amanda.
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Maybe Mandy.
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Maybe Mandy.
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Because Amanda's like that, right?
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I call do I call her Mandy?
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I can't remember.
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I think I do.
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Hey, my man, what do you do?
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I owe you a fire engine.
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I got your fire engine.
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I got it.
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I always joined in the studio.
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Oh my gosh.
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Now your brother painted her you did, right?
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Ron Wax.
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Hey, no, uh, give them a shout-out, brother.
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Give them a shout out.
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Tell them who you are.
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Tell them what show they do.
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You have number three, and then I then I you didn't show.
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I printed it right there in the front table.
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That's right.
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Printed perfect.
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But I did the brown.
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And so you do get a black on red instead.
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Yeah.
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Because I gave that to my big collector because I was like, I don't know what happened to him.
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And then I had it always rolled up with me.
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Wait, one second, Ron.
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Uh give a shout out uh to the show that everybody should go to.
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Okay.
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On August 22nd, it's a Saturday at a Leavers.
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There's a benefit for BFM.
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Love Omaha.
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For what?
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Uh BFF Benson First Fridays.
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I love I'm a Benson boy.
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But the most exciting part about it is that Bernie's gonna be back in the world.
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Bernie fucking Caulfield Records.
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Yes.
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Oh, Sideshow.
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Sideshow Sideshow and uh cartoon.
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No, wait.
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I want to say.
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Yeah, yeah, pure puppet.
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Because that was almost a better name they went with Sideshow, which is great.
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Yeah.
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Well, but that Richard's a super weapon.
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Also has uh Jeff, who played with Luck of Aaliyah.
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Yep, yep.
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And I know that's like shit.
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And obscurance is playing.
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So it's like you got your record out?
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Yeah, yeah.
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See, I've got the record.
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But tell everybody who you are.
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Uh Eric, my name's Eric Maley.
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I'm proud of the obscurance.
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Who else you played with?
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That's a great name, dude.
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Thank you.
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I got another one very similar in that respect of that what say it again.
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The obscurance.
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Okay, because it is that that camera obscure kind.
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It's a base word root word of obscurance.
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Well, the thing.
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And my is it in the new to it?
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I can't tell you.
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If you look it up in the dictionary, it one of the definitions of an obscurant is somebody that spreads disinformation or spreads to tries to um manipulate your opinion of the butt you know obscurity's also like a obscurity.
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Slow pioneers, slow pioneers.
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Oh, slow pioneers, you were in slow pioneers.
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Fuck yeah, goddamn name.
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Uh so I remember you guys.
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Fuck that.
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There's a band band called Pheromones in Chicago.
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That's a cool name, too.
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Pilt down.
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In Chicago will destroy you, dude.
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What's with the Chicago cats?
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Any of the Nebraska migrates up in that band?
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Uh in the city.
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Rob Walters plays.
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Oh shit.
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Now what's up with what's his face?
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Who was drumming for what's his name?
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The garage guy.
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King.
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You know, remember the guy who drummed with uh uh Bobby Khan and you know Colby.
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Yeah, Colby.
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He's still in the Chicago.
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He just started uh playing again, yeah, playing with some guys up there.
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But you know, he was in Pablo's and yeah, yeah.
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Oh, that's right.
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See, Pablo's is so crushing.
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Yeah, I drugged that into all you guitar players, like all drummers practically, that fucking band.
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I know, I know, I know.
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And Armstrong, he's just like what he's no secret weapon, he's just the weapon.
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He's the weapon.
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So my first band was with Ben and Ron.
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And what you were called Rough ID of Cell.
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Oh, I didn't know that.
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No, man, come on!
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If you're gonna play two shows back then, that was too dope to play.
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Yeah, totally, dude.
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That's Kate Park in Grand Island of the whole, baby.
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Yeah, it was awesome.
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And the only photo that was headman said that random suitcase that had the cash at the door.
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Wait, what?
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That was the only picture he took of the show.
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It's like that what cash is like in a briefcase as he bowled me out?
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Holy shit, that's cool shit.
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And you know, he's a photographer freak.
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Yes.
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That's great.
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Rob was out and he's in he's just stuck in Chicago.
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No, he's back in Omaha.
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Oh, he is too.
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And Heda Femurby's in Chicago.
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Yeah, and Colby's still there.
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Heda Femur plays all the time.
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All the time.
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Not all the time.
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But I was expecting him to play Zoo, but they played Bodega when they were doing the last Lincoln thing or Lincoln.
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Yeah, but the Lincoln Exposed, they usually mix up, like, you know, if a band normally plays it in Zoo, they're gonna play someplace else.
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That's a good idea, actually.
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It's uh, you know, I think it's a good thing.
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Yeah, I think it's a good idea.
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I think Lincoln Exposed to me is quite possibly one of the most perfect uh festivals.
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But see, we always got to play the end go.
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Completely everybody gets paid the day.
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I went to Maha and the city.
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Yeah, what who was it on who was Maha?
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Who was on it?
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This year this year.
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Where'd you go?
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I went with Walters.
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Like we went to see Bright Eyes and Oh, oh, was it that this year?
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It's already over.
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Yeah, it was set.
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Earlier summer.
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Oh, it was.
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Oh, last summer.
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I was it was good.
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Chef for the storm.
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It was really good.
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I mean, it was a lot, but they sounded like so what Bright Eyes just headlined the whole goddamn shit, didn't they?
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Yeah, but they were actually like second to last.
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Who was the headline?
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Wet leg, but all the fucking man, all girl fucking English.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But a lot of people were disappointed because they had a curfew do all the storms.
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See, I leave it at like midnight.
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Oh so they only played 35 minutes.
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See, that's why we're we're met what?
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Really?
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But that's the perfect punks.
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Who is all in bright eyes?
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You don't want to play brightness.
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Yeah, who's all in the lineup?
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Bi Wee was playing keys and guitar.
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Who's that?
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They had a new uh different bass player that had never met before.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, Nate plays keys and um and I think they had the same drummer as the two were.
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And Mike is playing like a Dovro or like a fucking acoustic, or is it like electric?
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It's all electric.
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Whatever he was.
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Yeah, I saw some big thing.
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Whatever he was.
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What was that side project that he was using the Yeah drummer Brian and Nick maybe Zinner?
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And it was called the Oblivion uh you know uh something.
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Yeah.
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But I must have saw with what's her face bright eyes and uh who?
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Why maybe Bridger?
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Oh maybe she was in that too, probably.
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Yeah, she was crushed, yeah.
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That's it.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know if that was a video, but it was a live show somewhere, and Brian Chase was there.
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Oh, that'd be great, man.
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This is great because I'm gonna go by and bring you a vinyl.
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Can you take a vinyl?
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Oh, I can take a vinyl.
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So what?
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Where are you gonna drop it off?
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Because I'll leave your fire engine with him.
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I was just gonna go over to KCUM tomorrow morning.
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Okay, so I'll I'll I'll hand it off.
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We'll get it to you somewhere.
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Yeah, here's what I'll do.
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I'll leave it at labs.
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Your brother still goes over the labs.
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Well, he might, but I go, I've asked.
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Have you been going to Metlark?
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Have you seen the motherfucker?
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I go, yeah.
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I have been going there for coffee, but I never told me.
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Somebody's like, oh well, we'll let you know.
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We'll let Ronnie.
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No, he's uh yeah, he's good to see you man.
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He's dismembered in the woods.
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Yeah, it's good to see you.
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No, it's no, but I I was gonna do all those firemen, a bunch of prints, and then I went there one day.
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My grandpa was a fireman.
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Yeah, that's why.
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And I go, dude, I got a fire.
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Ronald's right.
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I think you pay me 30 bucks or whatever the fuck it was.
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I go the next day, I bring everything to Medlock and just print it there, but I don't have black.
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But I have my red brown, I usually use Buffalo almost dark enough, and I go, I've got to try that because it's the best ink I had.
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Yeah, I set up on that table and just rip that bitch print and perfect, dude.
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It looked kind of cool and brown, I have to admit it.
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And then we missed Paz in the next couple weeks, and I just said, I'm gonna give this a Hans, and then I'll just do a black because I got black ink.
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I did because he's a big collector.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay, and uh, and so you'll get number four problems.
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So should I go to Metal Art?
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Yeah, well, yeah, which barista do you know the best?
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I'll leave it with them.
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Um I don't know them by name, it's hard.
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But yeah, the main guy that's usually there in the market.
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The trans guy?
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Or Jeff the Long Brunette.
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Yeah, Art Punk.
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Yeah, I'll leave it with Jeff.
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He doesn't work.
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He's got a studio of side eye, yeah.
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He's brilliant.
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He was on our last show.
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He played bass for us.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And he just played with, I think I tuned his bass to open tune, and he's just a natural fucking bass fan.
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But he's one of the noises.
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He's pretty brilliant no matter what.
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Yeah, no matter what.
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Shit, my man, you get it.
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Finally, I'll see him forever.
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I'll be there.
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And tell your brother I'm coming through, dude.
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He's gonna I'm gonna kill that fucker.
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All right, you can get it.
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Omaha rule, bitch.
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Like, what the fuck?
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Tell Connor a fucking, yeah, they should all hate him.
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He's better than they are.
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I keep going.
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Well run.
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Well, that fire engine was cool, dude.
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Jason tells me the fire is going on.
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I'm at Colteve at nine in the morning.
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He goes, hey man, did you hear about that fire down on goddamn Hall Street?
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I go, what?
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And I've been wanting to paint a fire engine since the goddamn man happened.
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So I just got on my bike.
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I had a brand new fucking just happened to be a red brush of a fine brush I bought from Gomez.
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And I get there with a blank 6x12 canvas, fucking stressed, yeah, yeah.
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Store bomb.
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And uh, you can I use your bike?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I fucking set up on this, and it's just at the end, there's one truck, T21, just parked right behind the big tree that's left there.
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And I get the big huge tree, and I just go for it, cut the tree in, cut the fucking whole engine, man, the chrome fucking headlights and shit.
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Just look, I'm just diming the fucking whole thing.
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And there's a ladder up, it disappears off the canvas, I believe.
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And uh I got the tree and the roofs and everything in the middle ground, the trucks in the full background, full fucking thing.
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There's two guys, which is actually one guy walking up and then walking back down.
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I drop him down twice on it.
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Oh wow.
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And then I went, I see some guy straightening out hoses right in front of me.
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I go, dude, you gotta put him in, because I don't have anything in the foreground.
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I go, dude, you gotta cut him in if you're a pussy if you don't fucking cut this shit in.
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And I do, and I just fucking dime him.
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He's got suspenders, and I get his head and shoulders right in fucking full big, like he's this big, the truck is this big, the tree is right here.
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And right when I get done, this other fireman walks by, he looks over my shoulder to see what's going on.
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He goes, Oh, is that Scotty?
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I go, I don't know who the fuck he is.
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He goes, Yeah, that's Scotty Williamson.
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And so I'm giving that original to him, right?
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Just retired last year.
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Oh, nice, nice.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, that's how that painting came.
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Without Jason, I would have never got it.
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I was like, uh, not as much anymore, but it's Stransky Park.
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See, I missed all those.
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I kept forgetting it was Thursday.
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Uh the the fire, there used to be some firemen that come down because you know, they it's close enough where they can walk down.
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That's on Bandor.
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Yeah, that's a big one that I cut back my kids' old hood.
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There used to be a gentleman that would bring his uh, he had like a rat rod.
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Pretty fucking cool, a little nicer than a rat rod, you know.
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But uh the fireman, he used to be a fireman, so they all would come down.
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He must have worked with them or something.
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This place at Chet Moving where I play all the parking lot pianos until the rain destroys them.
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It's a hot rod shop next door, and it's like a 1940s fucking Ford truck, all ratted out, no bed.
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It looks cool.
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It's parked in the fucking parking lot.
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Got all gray primer in the door is like a pale yellow primer.
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It looks cool as fuck, dude.
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And there's no headlights, no glass in it.
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So at night when I sneak in there to play piano all the time, dude.
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Every night, they gotta go, dude, this guy, yeah, what is going on with his cat?
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But I'm ripping total terror on this fucking bitch.
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And they gotta be just going, holy fucking shit, man.
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Who the fuck is this guy?
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Yeah, it's gonna be your fucking death of your Steinway, you bitch.
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But here's what happens that whirling closes close enough or tight enough, and it's against the back wall to where it gets sheltered from the most of the rain downpour.
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So you can't.
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And it's safe, so it still works.
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I've been playing for weeks.
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And there's six or seven other dead ones that I played before they died.
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You know, pianos you can get a piano for almost free if you move it.
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They want me to move it.
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That's why I don't bother with this, like they've thinking I'm ripping them off, because I've talked to them.
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Yeah.
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You go, dude, what's up with these pianos?
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Back in the day when we were playing, I bought I bought a fucking recorder so I could record it right when I first see them.
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So I could do a lo-fi recording of a jam on them.
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Because I thought they were gonna haul them away to the dump the next day.
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It took them seven years to haul them all to the goddamn dump.
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Man, Ron, if you're gonna be able to do it.
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And they were some of the coolest photos you could have done.
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A bird's eye view of this just shattered, disintegrated keyboard was the coolest shit.
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I a black and white photo, you would have been famous just so many tapes.
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Yeah, I know.
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They're all our songs, dude.
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That's why I gotta refigure out how to play powder in goddamn fucking bird brain.
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I've forgotten.
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Because I think I've I've ripped off the bird brain.
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Yeah, I know that part.
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Yeah, it was that the coolest song, dude.
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We could just crush them and have the fake indie.
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We could just do it 20 times, and nobody would care.
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Alright, Ron.
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What?
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What was the first band you were in?
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Uh Jagged Edge.
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Jagged Edge?
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Yeah.
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No, it was actually Stagger Wing.
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Stagger Wing?
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Yeah.
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It was right when I joined the Malcolm band, they got some Chuck, who's a big fat kind of roly-poly kid who's a singer, guitar player, and uh Jeff Steiner on bass, and and um and me on drums because Tom Batista quits, our our buddy, who was the first drummer of our crew our crew, Latino Cat showed me my first drum beast.
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So your first band you were a drummer in.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
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I was always a drummer.
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No, not always.
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Were you?
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Well, no, no, not until our band, but well, no, I thought you played bass in.
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Well, I did just because I uh because my buddy was playing drums.
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Rice was playing drums in DMR.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's why I wasn't, because when I get back from Denver, Mark Walker's playing with Simpkins.
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I don't even know Simpkins.
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He's a year behind me in Northeast, kind of one of those Sabant motherfuckers.
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But he hang out with a lot more of the dead crowd, which we didn't, metalhead kids didn't hang out with them.
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We just bought our weed from them.
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And they'd soak them down with water and make us pay more for it, but we didn't give a shit.
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We all we could afford was nickel dimes.
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And uh, and that was the Northeast deadheads, man.
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Half of them were cool on our crew, half of them were.
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The ones that sold us wedded down weed probably were, right?
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And uh what do you do?
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But anyway, he's playing with fucking Simpkins and he goes, hey Ron.
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And he's playing drums because Walker's a killer drummer dude.
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I mean, he's fucking Native American anyway, and he's just good at everything, so that's why he's fucking gone.
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He's a drug addict piece of shit, couldn't drag his dick out of it.
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But he's smarter than anybody else, that's why I don't like those fucking co kids.
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I don't like those fucking drug addicts because took down my smartest buddies.
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Yeah, these fuckers are brilliant sons of bitches, and you think you got big enough balls to beat these drugs?
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No, you ain't got shit, homie.
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You're bubblegum motherfuckers.
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What uh what band was that?
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That was uh Staggerwing was the one in Malcolm basically was my very first one.
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No, uh no, and here's what happens actually.
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Me and Walker have one before that.
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Yeah, I for we don't even I don't remember a name.
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It was just me, Mark Walker.
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We play the eighth grade dance for 75 bucks.
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It's my first paying gig ever.
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Oh wow.
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In eighth grade, they're all stoner jams, about five of them.
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We have one that's kind of a slow song.
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No vocals, I don't think, on any of them.
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And they're just stoner jams, and we play our whole set was probably about 20 minutes, right?
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And they all want us to play a slow dance song because they're all eighth graders at a dance, and we're going, we're done.
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We played everything we thought.
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And Blaine Hubbard was a short little fucking bass player of ours, a little pothead buddy of ours.
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Super brilliant little fucker, but just the tiniest little fuck you ever known.
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Blaine Hubbard lived on Knox right down in fucking Unite place.
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And Mark Walker and me just playing a stoner goddamn jam, five songs in a row of ball smoking, acid tripping, fucking, we're little seventh-grade stoner kids who want to be goddamn kiss.
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Or Ted Newgen or whoever the fuck you want to be.
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But that band had no name.
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That band I can't remember if we had a name, I don't remember.
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That's weird.
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I never would have thought of that.
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But then the next one is that Malcolm knows it because Jeff has moved to Malcolm because he's got a bottom.
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And then the next one was was Staggerwing.
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And then after Staggerwing.
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Was Jagged Edge.
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And then after that, Rough Draft, which is basically the same ones of all those Kegger bands.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I came up with Rough Draft, which is probably the worst name.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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It's kinda it's not no draft resistor, like Shoemaker's side project.
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Yeah, but that's But Rough Draft, I just thought, oh, I'm kind of a drawing, sketching, illustration guy.
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And this is kind of the beginning of a band.
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I thought it might work.
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And Rough Draft, we were all resisting the draft at the time.
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It's better than free parking.
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Yeah, or free beer, yeah.
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No, no parking.
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Yeah.
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But you know, that's what it was.
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It was like we were all 18, not wanting to register for the draft.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Because we said, fuck you, war pig bitches.
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And then what was after that one?
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That was uh that's what happens that right after that one is basically me and Dave Farrens, the double road scholar cat, gets on the front page of Journal Store without killing somebody.
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That's his joke.
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Because he graduates when his mom his mom graduates the same year as him.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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When she goes back, and she's the librarian.
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She always liked me because she was kind of a painter.
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Yeah.
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And he's a guy that we call up.
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I call up Lincoln when liars have to hit Portland next because we don't know anybody in Portland to stay with.
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And I have to call up Emily Farns to get his her kid's number, Dave, my best buddy, we played with Matt Sweet.
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Me and him, right?
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He gets me the drummer job for Matt Sweet because he gets the box organ player guy.
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Which he was barred.
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I remember staying in Portland with him.
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Yeah, you probably side show.
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Oh, you might have.
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Who are we talking about again?
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Oh, Dave Farrens.
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You think so?
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Maybe.
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Oh, don't quote me on that one.
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Yeah.
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But he used to be the guy in the return, the bass player for the return.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They were great.
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So well, you know, Bernie knows, you know, what we stayed every place.
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Bernie knew somebody everywhere.
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You know, when sideshow.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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How long how many times do you go on?
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I was sideshow.
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Just a ton.
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Just a hand.
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No, no.
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Because they did everything, dude.
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I only went on like one or you know, one long time.
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That was enough.
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That must have been cool as fuck.
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Were they played a lot of house shows all ages?
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A lot of bars.
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All ages bars.
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It was a mixture.
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Uh pretty cool.
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What was the coolest gig you remember?
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Because those guys, they're hard drinkers, man.
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They're all drinking, right?
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What do you do?
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Just hang out, and you probably weren't even smoking then.
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No, no.
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Uh uh Seattle, I remember.
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Where'd you stay in Seattle?
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We stayed in Brooklyn, I think.
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Might have stayed with Dorne.
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The first time because of Bernie.
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Bernie's already cracking Brooklyn open before even my ride girl junkie bitch from fucking Lincoln.
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Yeah, he knows.
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Yeah, Bernie.
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But not much earlier because uh we were they played some Brooklyn gig at some CMJ fest, and we ended up maybe sleeping around that area.
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Bernie McGain might be one of the most famous people I know.
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Yeah, and what he's is he still just like buying music for fucking Amazon or some crazy?
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I don't remember what he was doing, but he's like out of the room.
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And him and Tamara are still together.
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I don't I don't remember.
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Yeah, she had really freak hair like him, man.
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Are we at Dead Man Run?
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No, not yet.
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But here's what happens basically, after uh punk rock hits, me and Dave want to do a punk rock band, not a fucking Leonard Skinner fucking Kegger band, right?
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And I quit that band, Jeff Stunned, that I'm quitting it.
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Because we got the ringer on fucking goddamn guitar, fucking Havelock Savant, Dave Morrissey.
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Who's older than all of us and part of the hippie hoodlums of Havelock Park.
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But the biggest giant, like he's a the perfect cross between D-Boon and Slash.
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He looks kind of like Slash with a D-Boon body, right?
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He's like the silent giant who could just drink three cases of beer, you wouldn't even know it.
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And I'll drink your fucking shit and I'll play your fucking shit.
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And we pick him up in a rainstorm on fucking Adam Street.
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Because I'd seen him at a keger in Havelock as a seventh grader.
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And he was playing Working Man, and he was just, they were so loud, it was a Havlock Kager where you couldn't move, dude.
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1970, whatever the fuck your dick is, old.
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It ain't old enough.
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And uh and I'm going, that guy is shredding.
00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:18.960
And the guy playing rhythm for him is Kevin Walker, kind of a no-brained hippie guy, had the perfect rock and roll hair, but he just was kind of a mediocre guitar player, but one of the drug addict Havlock Hood guys.
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And he was playing rhythm guitar and they were playing Working Man, and Morphe is just shredding.
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They were so loud through 100-watt marshals in this bedroom where you couldn't move.
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And then the same with the hallway and the kitchen, you know, it's just a classic Havlock kicker.
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Right out of scratching the eight ball or whatever the fuck that shit is.
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I'm the little kid in that story, running for the coughs, diving out the window.
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That's my life in Havlock, basically.
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And so what happens is uh we see him in the rain because Jeff is gonna drop me off at 52nd Greenwood.
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That's why we're on Addis, pouring fucking rain.
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And I'm gonna jump out and he's gonna drive his maroon fucking Chevy pickup truck out to Malcolm because that's where he lives now, because his dad.
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So he was with us all in the junior high, but in high school, he goes to Malcolm.
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And I grew up in Malcolm playing rock and roll because I get Tom's job.
00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:15.759
Who I'd take into Buddy Rich, man.
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And right when we're going over the underpass, my buddy Tom, I'm going, dude, we got hash and weed.
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:24.799
We're gonna go to Buddy Rich because we're both drummers, right?
00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:29.759
And he comes over to my house, he was never, nobody, we'd always be over at Walker's house.
00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:31.680
It was cool to smoke weed there.
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And uh, and he'd come over so we could drive my first car, Fort Fairlane, out to fucking Omaha at the Jostin Art Museums where he was playing.
00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:43.519
And I get tickets to it and fucking take Tom.
00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:48.799
Because he showed me my drum beats, and we're the fucking fucking stoner buddies.
00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:53.440
And he's the guy who's just too lazy to go out to Malcolm out there doing it for a while.
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He's the first guy I see a rock man was Mark, him on drums in junior high, Dawes, before I'm actually in a drumming position.
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Even know how to play a kit yet.
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And uh and some old ninth grader who's kind of the the the GQ guy, right?
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:18.000
The you know, bass playing guy was never gonna be very good at bass playing, but he's GQ little fucking, you know, a sex machine.
00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:20.960
I'm gonna fuck your girlfriend, your sister at the same time.
00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:22.880
And they were doing Lagrange, right?
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:30.400
And Walker had that Lagrange, and and Tom was playing it, and it was the first rock band that you see at like a school talent show, basically.
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:31.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:35.680
Even though in Omaha, all my neighbors were doing the lip syncing to Jackson 5 and shit.
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:36.000
Yeah.
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:39.200
Because there were three black kids who could dime that shit, right?
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:46.640
I remember Gene just spinning around doing the WAAH and Wayne and fucking Lennon back then, they're all doing the dance shit.
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:47.759
This is 1973.
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.279
So that's junior high or that's that's grade school shit in Omaha.
00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:53.279
So what about the the talent show?
00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:57.519
But the talent show was seventh grade or something before I'm really playing with Mark.
00:25:57.759 --> 00:26:14.160
So the very first jam session I do is in the basement of Mark Walker's house on a toy drum set from David Biggs, who is a trumpet player, jock boy from Dawes, who was all of our buddies, and he busted out his fucking tooth in shop class with a hammer.
00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:14.480
Oh.
00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:15.599
I know.
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:20.960
And he was selling this toy drum set for two bucks at some yard sale, and we bought it.
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:39.519
I had to tape the snare head up with electrical tape, it's just a big long rip, and that's what I'm playing with when I'm jamming my first sessions with me and Mark just sitting in his living room, and his mom and dad are watching TV in the same room as we're just trying to tap off some crazy stoner jam shit, right?
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:43.119
And I'm playing the bass drum pedal with my knee, I believe.
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.119
Because it's a tiny toy kid.
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.480
And that's my very first time I ever climbed on a set, right?
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:49.359
Oh, right on.
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:58.240
And then that's why Mark was ahead of everybody, because his dad was already playing Oklahoma, who could play Delta fucking crush your shit, shit.
00:26:58.480 --> 00:26:58.640
Yeah.
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:04.000
And was already privy to the protests of 60s and folk revival.
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:06.240
And Mark is just a natural that way.
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:06.960
Hey, yo.
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And that's why he was a great drummer.
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:10.720
He showed me how Bunny E.
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.240
Carlos from Cheat Trick had this grace note in front of everything.
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:14.880
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:16.240
Which I could never figure out.
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:18.720
And he fucking fucking goes, oh no, it's this.
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:24.079
That's why when I get back from Denver, he's playing drums for Simkins, and I have to play bass.
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:25.279
Hey, wait a second.
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:26.319
Just to help him out.
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:28.480
We gotta play, we gotta take a break for a minute.
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:29.440
Okay, cool, yeah.
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:30.400
Right on, right on.
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:30.960
We'll be right back.
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:32.319
Because they'll go, he'll go.
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Hey, I want to thank Duffy Tavern for being a sponsor of the Flacker Dave Loves Nebraska podcast.
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:45.039
I want to thank uh Scott and the whole family uh for uh believing in my uh thing here.
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.160
Uh James, uh tell us why we should come to Duffies.
00:27:48.319 --> 00:28:02.640
We should come to Duffy's for original music and for a local community scene and come and see me and the rest of the people here that are wanting to take care of you, bring you into that community vis-a-vis that local music scene.
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.039
Come to Duffies every day.
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Hope and every day.
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:07.759
Thank you very much.
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:08.880
Thank you, Dave.
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:17.440
Hey, want to give a big thank you to Rick Peters for sponsoring the Slacker Dave Love Nebraska podcast.
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Rick is an independent insurance agent, uh AMS Insurance Center.
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The phone number is 402-476-3599.
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He's a great guy, great personal service.
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Amanda and I have been uh customers of his for years.
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He just a real good guy.
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You just you want to come see him.
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But the most important thing about Rick is he is a host of not one but two shows on KZUM 89.3 FM.
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Uh he hosts Rockin' Bones on Friday nights from 6 to 7.30.
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Rockabilly and all that kind of related fun music.
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And then Tuesday mornings from uh 6 a.m.
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to 8 a.m.
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It's the Sugar Frosted Chocolate Balm Diggity Good Time Show.
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:18.400
And you never know what you're gonna hear on there, but you know, they call him Rickabilly.
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:20.240
I like to call him Rickopedia.
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He knows a lot.
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Great shows.
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Thank you very much.
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It's like a neighborhood bar right in the middle of downtown.
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We're at 1329 O Street, and uh you know Rourke's I've always described as kind of like the backstage to the Lincoln uh musical community.
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Uh they do fun things all year round, they got specials every day, they got two pool tables, they do dance parties, they got a chili cook-off every year.
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Thank you.
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Pete, I want to thank you a lot for doing this.
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Uh I appreciate it.
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Tell people why they should come to the two bar.
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I mean, where else are you gonna come?
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All right.
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Thanks, Pete.
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:27.759
All right, we are back.
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Uh I am with the peg.
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We are back.
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I'm with Ron Elvis and Ron Wack.
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Ronnie Joe as uh who says that.
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:38.160
Yeah, she does say that.
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The only other person, my aunt, Artist, says that.
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:41.920
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:43.119
I didn't realize that.
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:46.079
Ronnie Joe and Heidi would always say that.
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:46.960
Heck yeah.
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Now here's one I wanted to say this of one of John's best lines, which he has many, not few, is Rock and Roll ain't got no holidays.
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I was like, dude.
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You wonder why I play with those bitches.
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:02.000
Let's go back.
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:04.000
We're gonna keep going through all the bands you've been in.
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:05.839
Oh, fucking Christ, son of a crap.
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:06.480
Where are we at?
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.000
We're uh with Simkins.
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We're in eighth grade, then we go to the metal kegger bands of Malcolm, run the roost like fucking True Hill Billy, fucking Kidd.
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:23.680
And then I come back because we want to do punk, and I think that band is too Hessian.
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:28.799
And Jeff is stunned, I'm quitting, and gonna do a new band with Dave Farns.
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:39.200
The Hotshot Ringer from East High, Mike Myers, who's in fucking um Justin Morgan, one of the big hair bands, and is just shredding.
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:40.960
And his band is extra.
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Extra.
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That Elkent Wagamont reviewed as a like a fleet of cement trucks jamming.
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It's like they suck to last.
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They played Foreigner, you know, Boston.
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:55.359
Wait, so what's the next band for you?
00:31:55.519 --> 00:32:01.440
But anyway, what happens is we do that band with a fucking ringer singer too from Northeast, Ron Saboda.
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:02.240
Oh, yeah.
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Goes off and sings for Walt Disney or something.
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:05.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:13.119
And so we could do shit like uh um the fucking Gray Slick song where they hit the big high end, you know, after Grace.
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:14.960
I always hate Grace Slick anyway.
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It sucks for some reason.
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:18.000
She just sounds like a slut.
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:19.519
Let's just say that.
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I don't know.
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No, I know, everybody loves her.
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Don't get me wrong.
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She's no Jazz Joblin, baby.
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I love that girl.
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:27.920
But for some reason, she's always bugged me.
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:33.440
And Sarah always loved it, and that's the only little misgivings I have with Sarah.
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:34.480
All right, next one.
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Even though she said never say whistle on your record, I think she's correct.
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:45.200
Next one is uh, we we get that going, then all of a sudden we have a couple inceptions to that.
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:51.839
We get bust, we get another ringer who's like the Neil Young Fucker from Savant motherfucking Northeast again.
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:53.920
Some frizzy redhead probably Juve.
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:55.200
What's that name?
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:56.240
That I've forgotten.
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:56.880
I forgot.
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I don't know if it had a name.
00:32:58.240 --> 00:32:58.880
Did it have a name?
00:32:59.039 --> 00:32:59.440
Well, I don't know.
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:04.079
It was the New Wave, it was the New Wave Punk Band that I start with Dave.
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.000
The guy who's a chemist, right?
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:06.319
Yeah.
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:11.119
In Portland now and MIT and you know, Japan, the whole bit.
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:16.640
They all had to give up their punk rock life for PhDs and they would live through us, right?
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:20.880
The whole rock and roll life because they were really too busy being scientists.
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:22.480
What band name was that?
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:24.240
Uh, I forgot.
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:25.519
I don't think we had one.
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:29.759
And then it turns into Dave gets this gig with the dial tones.
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:30.319
The dial tones.
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:36.000
Where he's gonna take over the sales guitar salesman position of math suite, because he's quitting.
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:39.039
That's how they know each other for a week of training.
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:44.799
And Matt wants to do the PowerPoint Elvis Costello shit because he's a master of the PowerPop construction.
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:52.240
And kind of the savant of the bass playing 15-year-old kids who are is the bright eyes of the 80s.
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:57.759
And um has a vox organ.
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:02.720
Dave, my buddy, the double road scout, loses one because he's a fucking drunken rake.
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.519
And uh he don't care.
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:06.480
He's got two of them.
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:08.079
What the name of that band?
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:14.079
The name of that band uh was the Dial Tones was with Matt Sweet, because he gets the job because he has a vox organ.
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.559
That's the only reason why fucking Matt used us.
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:16.960
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:19.519
Because Dave's a bass player, crushing bass player.
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:21.039
He's a crushing guitar player, dude.
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:21.440
He's played.
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:23.119
You play drums in that band, right?
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:29.760
Yeah, and I played drums, and that's right when I'm formalizing my own style, kind of out of the Kegger rock band, because I've been playing for 10 years already.
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:30.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:31.760
We just shred it.
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:33.119
We do it just like liars.
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:44.480
He has a tape, four-track tape made in his closet on 27th Street, where he lives, where he lives with the Bougeval, you know, motor father or whatever.
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.960
And uh we dime 11 songs first practice.
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:50.559
Just dime the shit out of it.
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.159
I'm just Power Pop drumming freak because I love that shit.
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:57.679
And if Shoemaker asks, Who the fuck, where'd you find your drum?
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:12.079
You know you're doing something right, dude, because I didn't even know Shoemaker, but all that that young Bud knew all the old school because they were so crushingly good and famous already by just already playing the earliest spec gigs, any anything.
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:16.320
When I saw him warm up REM, he was called Something Executives or something.
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:25.039
He was with Mike Pinner, his his lifetime writing partner, who's probably got credits on some of the T at the BBC show, Awesome Power shit.
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:29.360
Because Mike Myers and Sweet would double co-write a lot of that shit.
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:30.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:37.039
And if and Mike Penner was in the Jets, which is the very first glam punk band I see at drumstick was the Jets.
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:50.079
So Three Bill Knight, the Wing Nuts from Omaha, or the Blue Ducks, one of the other Blue Ducks were a three-piece kind of a fucking early kind of uh overplaying trio fucking grungy fucking rock.
00:35:50.320 --> 00:36:00.239
And the uh wing nuts were kind of this goofy little almost new wave-ish David Byrne thing that turns into Disco Ranch, a duo, super new wavy disco thing.
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:02.079
That white-collar crime we play with.
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:14.400
So the first year of college, I actually just answer an ad in the paint in on the wall of the union for a punk rock drummer playing Sex Pistols, Ramones, and whatever, because I'm first year art student, right?
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:14.880
Yeah.
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.599
And I'm not playing with Dave right now.
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:18.639
We don't got that.
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:22.639
We I think we did the dial tones in that first year of college, right?
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:23.119
Yeah.
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:29.360
Or right when I drop out after two, maybe 81, 82, because I think I start in 80.
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:30.960
Because I well, I graduated in 80.
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:33.599
Would you do your first college year in 80?
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:39.920
Because I went directly after high school, so that would be 80, 81, I suspect I went.
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:46.159
And by 81, I'm already dropping out and probably playing with Matt Suite, or in the last year of college we're playing.
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.119
Because we're playing big frat parties and shit.
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.280
Uh Halloween things and shit, right?
00:36:53.679 --> 00:37:01.199
That I lined up actually through this fraternity chick, the sorority chick who was an art major who was super hot and fucking hot as shit.
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.519
And I totally was in love with her.
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:09.760
And somehow there's no way she's some sorority chick, but she's in leopard skin, it's punk rock explosion, right?
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:10.960
1980.
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:23.440
And we get it earlier because we've already been going the drumstick since the mid-70s, and they've they already got the beat on the news, and we don't have to wait five years like the rest of goddamn Midway because of the drumstick.
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:29.280
And uh basically what happens, what was I just saying?
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:30.159
What was I on?
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:31.920
Well, we're at the dial tones.
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:39.760
Yeah, so we play almost a year with it, and it's just power pop better than any of the records he's put out since.
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.360
Girlfriend, I don't give a fuck.
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:44.639
That that girlfriend records mixed like a fucking turd shit.
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:46.000
I love that song though.
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:47.119
But I do too, yeah.
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:49.119
I know why it's a hit, but Jesus Christ.
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:50.079
That's a great cover.
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:51.920
I know that's what I'm saying.
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:53.760
He almost didn't get to use it, I heard.
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:58.960
He just wanted to use it so bad that he's correct because that photo is fucking destroyer.
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:00.400
It's a beautiful cover.
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.840
But it's a girl, and they're all beautiful, and that's the way they start.
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:05.920
It's not tough to get those fucking things.
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.679
But that thing is just that's why he was so adamant about getting that photo.
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.159
He must have had to pay through the ass to do it.
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.360
She's a famous kind of movie star, or whoever it is.
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:15.920
Who is it?
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:16.800
You know, I can't.
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:18.000
But yeah, I love that shit.
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:24.800
And Ivan, he's the guy I saw down at Oscars when I do see Matt Sweet after he's already moved to Athens.
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:26.639
In the early days, right?
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:32.320
He was in something even before that, it was called Because Athens was the place to move to at the time.
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:32.639
Oh, yeah.
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:34.960
Because he was an REM nut, right?
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:36.880
And he knows all those guys now.
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:47.519
But what happens is uh every time somebody would tell me that, because I just played with him, right, and quit, because Dave fucks up and doesn't show up at the biggest gig we got.
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:56.639
Walt Ferguson at U and L campus in the ballroom with 2,000 fucking kids, and you gonna fight with your drunken fucking co-drunk fucking girlfriend.
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:59.599
The California rake that I hooked you up with.
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:01.199
Oh, you you missed the kid.
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:02.719
Carleen, Carlene.
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:07.199
No, Carlene, she's the one who has a kid with Bob Stenson.
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.800
Because she moves out to Minneapolis and she's my art buddy.
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:11.840
One rule.
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:12.239
What?
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:13.599
You can't miss a gig.
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:14.800
You can't miss a gig.
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:16.400
Like what, and especially that gig.
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:17.440
So here's what happens.
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:19.280
We're all pissed at him.
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:20.960
Because here's why it happens.
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:44.960
We have two cars there, and some reason my Havlock crew is there in the in in the fucking D-boone slash Savant giant scientist Mountain is driving one of the cars, some Havlock ghetto car, big boat, and then Dave's fucking other car has got all the drums and the keyboards.
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:49.440
And they're fighting with his girlfriend as we're loading out of the garage space on Corn Oscar.
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.159
That the dial tones had that garage space, right?
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:53.519
Oh yeah, we're in the dial tones.
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:58.639
We're loading out, and they're in a fight, drunken sprawl, almost fist fighting.
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.639
And I'm like, and I jump in the other car and I go, Dave, I'll meet you down at the goddamn unit.
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.119
It's like two o'clock in the morning is our slot, right?
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:06.880
So it's late already.
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.760
We go down there, it is just packed, right?
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:13.920
And every and we get all of our shit up there, but there's no drums or keyboards.
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.760
Or if there would have been drums, we would have played that game without the motherfucking keyboards.
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:18.800
I'll bet you anything.
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:28.719
But they were in his car and he was so bummed about his girlfriend, he knew if he showed up that she would just follow him there and get in a big fight, and he just couldn't do it, he just went home.
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:29.599
Oh man.
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.920
And so I called him up the next day, just wanting to chew his fucking dick off.
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.840
And right when I started doing it, I go, all right, Dave, I'm not even gonna do this.
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:43.280
You've heard this all day long from anybody else who's involved with this shit, and you gotta be sick of it.
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:44.880
And then what is the fucking deal?
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:50.000
He goes, Well, yeah, I went into work and I asked Matt what the story about the band was.
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:50.239
Yeah.
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.119
He goes, No story, no band.
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:56.159
So then what was after that band?
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:57.039
That was it.
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:01.199
After that band, I um get the DMR thing going, I suspect.
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.559
And then get the call from the nightmares within a year of that or so.
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:05.039
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:19.440
And I'm only still playing bass because my little shit kicking buddy I put on drums to begin with, when he's annoying all of us tripping balls, fucking junior high kids doing uh 11-minute drum solos uh in honor of kids, right?
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.480
While we're trying to sleep at seven in the morning after we've been partying.
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:23.840
Who is in DMR?
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:29.679
Steve Rice, the guy who's annoyingly fucking what's your chip on your shoulder, dude?
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:31.519
Uh best friend of mine, right?
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:32.559
Little protege.
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.119
He's a diver, a drawer, a drummer.
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.199
He turned into a great fucking drummer.
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:38.000
Who's that?
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:38.880
Steve Rice.
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:39.280
Oh, yeah.
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.519
But he still scares the shit out of me.
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.400
Um, and Mark Walker was a guitar player.
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:49.840
And we were just this collage of all this shit, goth, hardcore, punk.
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:56.719
I think would you on like a but then we heard that tape recently because Tony wanted to hear it, and sure enough, it holds up.
00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:00.960
Were you on like a live in Lincoln or one of the broadside tapes or something like that?
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:01.840
Nightmares were.
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:03.360
Oh, Dead Man Runs.
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:05.119
No, I don't think DMR was.
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:05.679
Really?
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:06.880
I swear.
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:08.239
But we had that cassette.
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:09.519
You ever see that cassette?
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:10.800
It was a six-song cassette.
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:13.840
We did it somebody's studio, it was the very first record I made.
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:18.480
And the guy uses bulky race tape, which is just a nightmare of like, dude.
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:19.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:22.480
Just because you think you're a cheap fucking little hippie fucking loser.
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.199
You people always, yeah.
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:26.719
They cut corners, right?
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.840
And so he wanted me to use flat wound strings.
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.880
Like, no, dude, this isn't 19 fucking, this ain't Motown, bitch.
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:37.760
I wish it were, believe me.
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:46.320
But that's where I do, that's where I do the Vietnam song that they when Heath takes my slot from wide, he takes my slot when I get the nightmares call.
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:51.039
Just because I jammed with Danny Shoemaker and Dave Farns, my double role scar.
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:51.440
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.360
Because Dave and him, we all knew he was a guitar hero in art students.
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.159
I get to see Dan every once in a while, he'll he'll fill in the back of the state.
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:00.800
Because he's back.
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:02.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:02.719
I bet.
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:03.840
Yeah, he's a shreddy.
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:04.559
He was our biggest.
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:07.360
He did like a biggie, whatever.
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:09.519
See, he could do anything at 16, dude.
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:12.320
And we all knew he was in a band called The Art Students.
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:14.960
Yeah, he's been in a and that's when he was 16.
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:25.599
So when he when Dave brings him out the years later, right, to the storage garage after we break up with Dowtone, and Dave's trying to mastermind the next outfit he wants to fucking crush everybody with.
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.320
It's fucking goddamn Danny Shoemaker.
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:34.719
He shows me the drum beat to Jenny Drug Stabbing Time or something, some clash song.
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.280
Because you know, shoemaker, he knows how to play drums too.
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.440
Uh works for the drug squad?
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:40.400
Maybe or something.
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.880
I think drug stabbing time is that another one that's just kind of or mother something.
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:46.719
It was just this cool beat, dude.
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:47.280
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:53.440
And that's why he knew when John asked him, because him and Taylor are already buddies, do you know any drummers?
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:59.199
He goes, Well, there's this one guy jammed with one time, and that was me, and that was the only reason why they called me.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:01.679
They've gone through a yeah, Dan.
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:03.599
That's why I've always credited his ship for it.
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:05.039
They've gone they went through it quite a bit of a shit.
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:06.000
Because I get the call.
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:15.199
I'm working down at UNL as a designer, a sign maker at the Henslick building where Rich Higgins used to go to like teacher college or something.
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:15.440
Yeah.
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.840
And I would see him in the hallways before I knew Sideshow, and I wasn't in Night Verge yet.
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.880
I meet Greg Cosgrove there because he's in teacher scholars.
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:23.519
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:29.119
And he comes through there and I realize he's this punk rock kid who's moved to Dallas or LA or whatever.
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:30.800
And I'm just enthralled with him, right?
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:36.320
Because that's all I want to do is just get the fucking start-up punk band that goes everywhere.
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:44.159
And so he thought, he thought, because he's telling these guys, he's that same guy, that drummer, new drummer guy that we just died.
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:54.000
Shit, because we got to Bucky's, which was a pinball storage garage that they rented for rock and roll practices, a Cornhusker.
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:58.880
And we played five or six songs of whatever they got going already.
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:02.239
And I just destroy it because I haven't played drums for five years.
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.360
Because I'd stopped to play bass and for my other buddies' bands that were already covering the drums or something.
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:07.679
Yeah.
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:12.960
And so it was just fun as fuck for me because they just started with a song called Water.
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:17.679
It was just a shuffle thing that as a drummer you can just spin off any fucking thing you want.
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:20.079
And they just start bouncing off the walls, dude.
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.119
It's just like it's the funniest goddamn shit I ever seen.
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:33.599
And we do five or six goddamn songs, get the hell out of Dodge, and the rest is goddamn history, is that so that was the band, dude.
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:37.840
If Nirvana would have existed, it would have been that motherfucking band, bitch.
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:39.119
Heck yeah.
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:43.039
Or cross between replacements and Nirvana, whatever the fuck you want to call it, dude.
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.360
That was fucking cut in the circuit.
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:47.760
Oh yeah, that's uh pretty good.
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:49.280
Because them guys could do it, man.
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.400
That's all they were, they can't play for anybody, anywhere, anytime.
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:53.440
You know the story.
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:55.920
You you go around with all these fuckers all the time.
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:56.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:02.000
If you don't play your gig, you're you don't play Detroit, you're you're in the wrong band.
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:06.320
How long was uh were you in uh 13 Nightmares?
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:07.920
It was five years at least.
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:08.559
Five years?
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:12.079
Yeah, it seems like a long time for a band, which it is, actually.
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:12.800
Yeah.
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:16.880
Who else was touring back then when you guys started touring?
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:18.400
All of them, dude.
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:19.840
They were all cutting it.
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:21.760
Black flag, any of those.
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:23.039
No, no, Lincoln bands.
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:25.039
Oh, Lincoln only sideshow.
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:27.199
We outtored everybody from the beginning.
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:27.679
Yeah.
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:28.960
Mannequin Beach?
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:30.079
We did a two, yeah.
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:36.880
They actually did two, because they're having it at the same time and it gets signed at the same time, and they are doing the road thing with a school bus.
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:47.440
Because they are like this communal punk rock hippie shit, because the Mannequin Beach house becomes one of the punk houses for a reason, because it's a communal thing, right?
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:47.760
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:51.440
It's all the cutting-edge punks, and they've got their guitarist on.
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:58.480
And then he follows all my positions up in Stottinger's bass position in Mannequin Beach.
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:05.199
But that's why, even though Jeff had to chase his PhD, he made two of the best records in Lincoln.
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:05.599
So what?
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.480
Mannequin Beach, because Heath ain't on those records.
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:14.239
But uh Heath would jump my bass slot and DMR when I quit to join Nightmares, right?
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.760
Because I just know I'm with my junior high buddies, we ain't never gonna do shit.
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:22.000
Or we might, but in the end, dude, I know this band.
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:26.079
I've seen him before you ever was in him, and you just knew this was like an explosion.
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:27.360
They were so into it.
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:31.039
That's why I quit playing drums because none of my front guys would go into it.
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:31.599
Yeah.
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:37.599
I go, well, then fuck, if you ain't gonna go into it, I'm gonna fuck a strap of guitar and I'm gonna shove your dick up your ass.
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:40.159
Guitar players are pussies.
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:46.239
You know, I always uh uh always like to ask, uh, why does it take them so long to set up?
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:51.039
Yeah, because they got white gloves on and they're put taking off each symbol with polish.
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.440
No, no, the the the guitar players.
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:56.000
Yeah, because they're all baby sad bitches.
00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:59.599
No, see, I always play off the guitar riff, though, right?
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:03.679
So my guitar players are so brilliant, I was like, dude, whatever.
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:05.119
So uh when when Thursday.
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:07.519
John always had the monster riff, right?
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:12.400
I mean, I knew you could just tell this kid just practices all the goddamn time.
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:14.880
He don't got anything else to do.
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:16.639
His wife's in the band.
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:18.480
They ain't never gonna break up.
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:21.920
This is the perfect goddamn band to be in if you want to work.
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.679
That's why I did it, because they were as committed as I was.
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:26.400
Heck yeah.
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:32.480
So when when when 13 Nightmares, when you got into 13 Nightmares, who were the other big bands at that time, right?
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:33.679
Oh shit, man.
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:34.960
Bad livers were happening.
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:36.000
We played gig at the end.
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:37.119
No, I'm like Lincoln bands.
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:49.280
Oh, Lincoln bands, uh, Sideshow, um, just the millions, new brass guns, all the fucking the holiday, you know, anything that was coming out of the early 80s, man.
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:51.360
You know, the clique was happening.
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:57.280
King Corn, they were called King Corn or Dick Tracy or the coloring books before they actually settled on the clique.
00:48:57.440 --> 00:48:58.880
They were all the elitist sounds.
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:00.800
But that's a little bit earlier, right?
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.920
That's just the beginning of the 80s, middle of the 80s, all the nightmares man can beat shit happens.
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:12.400
If you go back to long hair wearing your street clothes and that skinny tie shit fuck, the keyboard is fucked.
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:13.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:16.639
And just loud as you can fucking possibly be.
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:25.440
And you get a fairly mediocre drummer in those dynamics, and break it down to the hi-hat and rim shot, you hear all these great guitar parts, man.
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:30.079
It's like you get the fucking, and we we never had one symbol yet, did we?
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:30.800
Yeah.
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.119
That was the perfect innovation, Jimmy.
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:34.719
That's why you can hear everything.
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:35.760
There's no other symbols.
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:37.039
I have a symbol.
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:38.320
You got a symbol now?
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:39.039
Yeah, one symbol.
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:39.599
With Levi?
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:40.320
Yeah.
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:41.519
I didn't see it that night.
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.239
All I do is uh there's uh there's a part maybe I do.
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.039
There's the part where I just do some like little splashy things.
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:50.000
Just get the mallet shit, because that's perfect.
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.960
And then uh I really normally the only reason why you have mallets, right?
00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:56.079
Yeah, well, because I can find it.
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:59.440
Now whatever happened to that mallet guy, the gone guy, is he still around town?
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:01.360
Justice was working for him and shit.
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:01.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:03.360
You still got the Scooby-Doo van?
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:04.079
I'd never see it.
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:04.639
He probably doesn't.
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:05.599
No, I don't know that.
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:06.000
I don't know.
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:06.880
That's the guy.
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:11.280
He gave he gave us a couple mallets for you guys, and they just what deteriorated within instantly.
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:12.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:13.760
So wait, so now we're at the end of the day.
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.159
And then Jimmy doesn't bring his sticks.
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:17.920
Oh, I could have kicked his shit.
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:20.000
He his movies, have you seen Jimmy's movies?
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:20.400
I guess.
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:21.280
No, but I mean.
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:24.639
But anyway, after 13 Nightmares, basically what happens is um.
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:29.760
Yeah, because Greg didn't know if we were just kicking a dead horse.
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.159
He's just too smart for his own goddamn good.
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:34.800
And that's where those fucking Einsteins are, dude.
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:38.079
There's tortured motherfuckers, and that's why they sing like that.
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:39.760
That's why they play like that.
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:43.280
In the end, you can't trust them because they don't even know how good they are.
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:44.480
You can't know, right?
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:46.559
When you're that goddamn smart.
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:57.280
And uh, and just a natural like that, that um there's a wonder why he'd started the the first punk folk stuff around here with his wife on keys and shit.
00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:58.320
Nobody was doing it.
00:50:58.800 --> 00:50:59.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:08.000
So they could so he did move on, but but he in the end, he admitted to Ingrid one night because they're such good buddies that like Ingrid.
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:12.480
Ingrid, the fucking first booking agent for us.
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.440
She booked her first Southeast Tours, man, for a couple weeks.
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:16.800
Yeah, those people order pizza.
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:19.599
They don't even know how cool she is, you know.
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:21.840
Oh, and they don't give a shit about nothing.
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:27.679
Uh so so then you and John and Heidi do 139, I mean uh Mercy Raw.
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.000
Yeah, which I didn't even get a vote for the name.
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:31.199
Like, what is that, John?
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:32.639
You fucking guitar player.
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:34.000
It is what it is now.
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:42.400
No, which is cool because I I found out that it actually is great for John and Heidi because John I always say has the monster rip, MR.
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:44.000
So Mercy Roll works, right?
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:44.480
M R?
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:46.159
Because he did, right?
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:51.599
Because it sounded, you know, when we first started practicing without Greg, it just sounded like the nightmares anyway.
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.039
Because they just played that hard all the time, anyway.
00:51:55.280 --> 00:52:04.400
And Heidi knows all about singing, you know, and she's a well-read motherfucker, to where she's just a natural, you know, second, third generation.
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.280
And it's just cool to have chicks, man.
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:09.679
I don't want to look at your eyes the whole goddamn time.
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:12.000
Well, I fucking gouged my eyes out.
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:12.800
I truly love that.
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:15.519
And Heidi's just a boy, one of the boys, right?
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:19.039
So that's why there was never this weird fucking bullshit.
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:20.880
And they're the perfect married couple.
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:22.639
Like, who the fuck wouldn't stay with them?
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:24.000
They'll never break up.
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:26.239
They'll just work, work, work, work, work, work.
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:27.840
And they just still keep playing.
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:29.360
I know with Paul.
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:30.800
I know, that's so funny.
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:32.000
Now, here's what's funny.
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:38.079
I think John mentioned that it's probably he's probably played longer with Paul now as Jamasca than Mercer had.
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:42.320
Yeah, because when Jamasca started, they had uh um.
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.760
You got another cigarette or let me just say they got buzz in that one.
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:47.039
Oh, that's right, they did.
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:53.280
But then they got a couple other little jockboard college guys that were that they recorded with, I thought.
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:58.000
Because they recorded a couple new songs that we were doing with them when I was kind of surfing your shit.
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:01.760
I remember when they were looking for somebody, I kept telling Sean Ty you should, you know.
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:03.119
But Ty never tried it?
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.320
Now, did Ty try something with Horado again with the kind of a shortcut?
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.400
But you said it wasn't really happening the first couple practices?
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.159
Well, that thing pan out.
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:14.239
Well, they have a Jericho Strays.
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:14.800
Who's that?
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:15.519
Is that the guitar guy?
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:18.239
Oh, is that a guitar guy?
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:19.440
Uh that's the band they're playing.
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:20.800
What's it called again?
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:22.400
Jericho Strays.
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:24.320
See, that's a great fucking name, dude.
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:25.440
Yeah, yeah.
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:29.039
And that's that's something you can use that.
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.800
Gerardo writes the songs, they make them rock songs.
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:35.280
Yeah, and he's like who's the shredding guy?
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:36.159
Oh man.
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:37.760
Is Charlie the bass player still?
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:39.119
No, they don't have one?
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:41.440
No, Pat Nichols is the bass bass player.
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:43.039
Oh, Pat just moving over to bass?
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:43.760
Because he's the guitar.
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:44.960
No, Pat Nichols.
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:45.760
Oh, who's that?
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:47.920
He plays in some other bands, he's pretty brilliant.
00:53:48.079 --> 00:54:02.639
He uh he would play bass in the also he plays uh well he plays in some other bands, great, but uh he would play bass in the uh mascals when they needed uh when when Charlie tried to play when Charlie had to play guitar.
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:12.000
Oh after after you know, there are certain points where you know uh Benji couldn't couldn't do it or you know.
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:12.719
Oh really?
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:13.679
Okay, I don't know.
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:17.840
Or you know So he's probably just as great on guitar as he is on anything else.
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:18.639
Charlie?
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:19.519
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:20.400
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:34.320
I think uh I think I remember uh I mean uh uh uh Benji telling me that you know uh Charlie taught him all the riffs for the Mescals when the when they started the Mescals and then you know.
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:35.599
See, that is funny.
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:39.599
See, I would have never guessed that because Benji's so fucking astronomical anyway.
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:42.800
Well, you know, that he just took a you know just took him to another level.
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:44.000
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:47.440
I mean they had a couple good, I mean Mark Simpkins was That's what I mean.
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:49.920
I saw the first version, the second version, really.
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:51.760
I saw the first with just Tony.
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:55.119
Yeah, the I saw I saw the back of it at Duffy's, right?
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:57.039
I was outside the watching it.
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:00.079
And then the second version is Simpkins and Deuce.
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:00.320
Yeah.
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:04.239
And me and Jeff, I'm couch surfing in Lawrence for three or four months.
00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:05.039
Yeah.
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:11.679
Because Jeff secretly wants a frat boy cover band fucking drummer, apparently, which I told him, fuck you, homie.
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:13.280
I just destroyed fucking Paris.
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:17.599
I think I'm gonna play for these frat motherfuckers for a fucking price tag.
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:22.239
And I did write a couple songs in Kansas, but mostly painted.
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:23.280
Like your skull used to.
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:24.000
I got that, yeah.
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:25.039
Yeah, that's good.
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:26.400
I thought about it the other night.
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:36.559
Bye, baby! But I knew that you had a really that that little tiny black uh first Buffalo Acid Trip line art one was a tiny one that test burned.
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:41.519
That was one of my still one of my favorite ones, even though I do that type of shit all the time.
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:43.199
Now what else is going on?
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:44.320
So we're at Mercy Rule.
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:52.320
We're at Mercy Rule, and then I decide after all those years, because I am just still secretly jamming with my soner buddies.
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:53.039
Yeah.
00:55:53.440 --> 00:56:00.480
Because I never uh let nightmares or mercy rule know that because they were such a stringent, like, no, you don't play in other bands.
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:01.679
The old the old school.
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:02.880
The old school bit, yeah.
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:07.840
Yeah, you don't play in play in three bands because you're in LA and you hope one pops and the other.
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:09.840
You're a Ramon, you're a Ramon.
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:10.960
Yeah, you're a Ramon, dude.
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:15.599
You don't go sit there and suck fucking uh New York dolls, dick.
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:17.519
You start Ron Wax.
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:22.480
Yeah, and I get the name from the girlfriend because I'm not smart enough to come up with it.
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:26.800
But I already came up with it for the poster company because of you.
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:28.159
Wax paper press.
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:29.199
Wax paper press.
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:31.280
Even though it's not a press, I think that's what's funny.
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:34.159
The press people like, well, that's not a press, that's the syrograph.
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:35.280
Fuck yourself.
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:38.559
But anyway, you're still pressing the goddamn squeegee bitch.
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:40.559
That's why I figured it'd be okay, right?
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:45.360
You know, but that's why it was almost called Plum Street Press, because we lived there so long, right?
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:46.400
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:48.000
Now you see the front yard of that?
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:49.440
It's all concrete walled up.
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:52.239
So I wonder if they dug up Max and found him there.
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:53.119
Oh, I don't know.
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:53.840
I don't know.
00:56:54.079 --> 00:57:01.440
So then you moved in your then you just mercy rose is doing the third record, is you crush the shit out of him in Madison.
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:08.000
And uh Smart Studios get a meet Clyde Stubblefield, shake his goddamn hand.
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:13.039
And uh he's running some blues night at OK Corrale's in Wisconsin, Madison.
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:15.119
It was like, you wanna meet the funky drummer?
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:16.880
No shit, Sherlock.
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:23.119
That was another Ryan, uh, the studio manager for fucking Smart Studio, who's a percussionist too.
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:32.559
He looks like a beach bum, blonde, fucking buddy holly glasses, and uh he's played tambourine on YouTube records because he's a fucking percussionist, dude.
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:33.199
Right on.
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.960
So that's why he's asking me, because all my drum tracks are done.
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:40.719
I'm just trying to finish that Frank Lloyd Wright painting for John.
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:45.519
On the lake, there's the new one that he just built, and everything was fucking dimed.
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:51.840
I had bowls of weed and I didn't smoke with the client because Ryan goes, if you got bowls, bring them because they'll smoke them with you.
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:59.199
I was like, fuck, I only got two bowls left, I gotta save it for painting, so I didn't break it out, but they were whisking them off right after the gig.
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:00.880
And I'm meeting him and shaking his hand.
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:03.280
I tried to get a live drawing of him, they suck.
00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:06.960
He's kind of orchestrating this blues band, he's kind of on keyboards.
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:07.199
Yeah.
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:15.199
And it's really sad, kind of, cause a big kind of farm girl gets up to do this country thing, and they can't find a key that she can actually sing it in.
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:16.480
And they're all trying to find it.
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:20.960
You can just see him panic stricken, going, You gotta be shitting me, bitch.
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:22.960
Jan's job line, you wave, baby.
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:24.000
You look like her.
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:25.039
She's hot as fuck.
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:26.079
Mercy rule.
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:27.440
Mercy rule.
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:28.639
Ron Wax.
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:29.360
Moving on.
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:34.239
No, I decide to move and tell him I'm just gonna go out to New York for an art show and try to get one.
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:34.559
Yeah.
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:48.639
Because I can't quit my fucking family band and say, dude, I'm gonna go out and take on New York with a guitar, and then Pat gets me in a goddamn couple bands that take seven years to get the fuck off my dick before I can do the Ron Wax show.
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:50.960
It took seven years to do a Ron Wax set.
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:56.159
I almost do it within the first couple months because Pat lines it up at Pete's Candy Store.
00:58:56.239 --> 00:59:03.679
They hip his little fucking David Lynch stage design little fucking hipster bar in Williamsburg.
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:08.880
Some guy who's famous for the 20s shredding punk rock guy, right?
00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:12.159
He's a New York icon.
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:14.400
Gets sick, was in the hospital.
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:18.239
Pat gets the call that he can fill that game if he's got anybody.
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:20.639
So me and him are both gonna do it, right?
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:21.039
Yeah.
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:27.760
We go to Foacher's apartment that's right down the street to so Pat can practice whatever he knows on acoustic, right?
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:35.199
And I'm just gonna get my whole Ron Wax set up going, the solo shit I did all the duffels before I left for Brooklyn.
00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:36.719
I'm thinking this is it, dude.
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:37.840
This will be great.
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:46.400
And we get there, I let Pat go first, because we've heard that the jazz guy's out of the hospital and wants his gig back.
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:52.079
You fucking believe well, it's like Fishborne or I forget Harry something.
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:59.039
And he's kind of this indie little white older guy who's just the 20s, you know, with the with the with a with a cut.
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:01.360
Yeah, it don't, oh yes, it does.
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.960
Because that's why I'm denied the first round wax gig.
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:10.639
Because he shows up, Pat's doing his little strum along cassie shit, kind of dying.
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:15.440
I might admit, Pat, you're watching it, you're dying like a dog on a fucking rug, bitch.
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:20.480
And so what happens is uh, and he never dies on a rug like a dog.
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:24.239
But uh in the end, I'm getting all my shit ready.
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:28.000
So then the whole in this thing is no bigger than two or three of these tables, right?
01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:33.440
It looks like a fucking, looks like a little fucking coved little circus theater, right?
01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:35.360
It's just the creepiest, freaky shit.
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:35.920
The hippos.
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:38.559
So anyway, here's what happens.
01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:39.599
We gotta move on.
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:45.599
Harry shows up and he gets a gig, and I have to strike all my shit and never play for another seven years.
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:47.280
All right, keep going.
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.679
So I joined the Liars, me and Pat get the call.
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:51.679
That's the that's the first band in New York?
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:57.199
No, we actually have the bricks gun, which was the Omaha guy that Hank Williams ghost of Hank Williams.
01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:58.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:58.079 --> 01:00:59.519
The bricks Ben Fenner.
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:01.920
I thought that band was gonna get famous.
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:02.320
Yeah, yeah.
01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:07.280
Because I figured out the Johnny Cash beat should be a thousand miles an hour, dude.
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.760
You backed up Connor on a show, right?
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:11.119
In New York?
01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:12.800
Yeah, I did with Pat.
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.760
Yeah, after the Lars got we got kicked out of Liars.
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:26.159
Because and then we're playing a sold-out secret show at Knitting Back, and within a month, all the AR bitches are there from fucking mute records are freaking like, how does Pat and Ron do that?
01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:32.480
They get kicked out of a fucking hottest band in Brooklyn, and then they're playing with goddamn Bryas who just took over the universe.
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:32.960
Well, yeah.
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:51.039
And Hangus and Aaron, we're always so pissed that they just want to talk to us Nebraskans about it at the end of that career kind of because we cracked the door open as Nebraskans, but Connor takes the fucking hoop, and everybody's talking about fucking the Savannah, fucking the New Dylan of fucking Omaha.
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:51.760
Oh yeah, yeah.
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.639
And we're going, fuck yeah, that's our homies, man.
01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:56.480
That's why they fucking kick your ass.
01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:58.559
You got the Midwest muscle, bitch.
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:00.400
Why do you think the Liars kicked your ass?
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:01.760
Lyers kind of.
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:03.840
Oh, we destroyed it.
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:06.159
Yeah, well, yes, what Pat does.
01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:10.320
That's why uh your stunner buddies can take you to the top.
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:11.679
Heck yeah.
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:16.320
And then you move, then you still then you do Ron Wax out there for a while, right?
01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:17.519
Uh no.
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:19.760
No, I moved back here after the Lyers.
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:20.480
Well, I thought you were.
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:24.400
What's your comedian buddy's name that we stayed with?
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:26.800
Yeah, I don't do that until after I moved back out there.
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:28.880
Oh, you moved back and then you moved back out.
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:32.079
Yeah, because Pat goes, hey dude, I found two other guys.
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:32.719
And he did.
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:35.039
They were just fucking some Bosnian guy, guitar.
01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:36.159
What was that man's name?
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:37.920
No things.
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:38.639
No things.
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:41.119
Oh my god, I can't believe I didn't remember no things.
01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:42.880
I think we talked to you out in the van here.
01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:46.639
And you were with your one cat poker guy and was taking off.
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:47.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:50.719
But we fucking uh were hunting out in our van, I believe.
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:51.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.519
That was a$600 band we did that first tour in.
01:02:55.920 --> 01:03:01.199
That basically was Pat's band he sold to Zimmerman because Zimmerman was booking out to Brooklyn too.
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:01.440
Yep.
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:06.480
And then Pat just put all his shit in there when Zimmerman wrote out there and he wrote out with Zimmerman.
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:07.280
No, nice, nice.
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:08.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:11.119
And then then we buy it back from him for the first Liar's band.
01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:15.840
And that's what we drive through that first fucking gutter punk tour all the way to the nation.
01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:21.599
And then I have to use a broomstick to fucking use the mirror because Pat wants to go to his girlfriend.
01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:25.360
We're dropping everybody off after three months of grinding horseshit.
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:26.159
Oh my gosh.
01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:32.559
And uh Pat wants to go to his girlfriend's house, so I have to drop him off and then drive back on the BQE with no mirror, right?
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:35.840
Where I'm just flopping mirror that you have to hold a broomstick.
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:38.639
I barely made the last exit to Brooklyn.
01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:42.159
Oh, you literary fucks will get a joke out of that.
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:43.360
But it literally did.
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:45.840
I was so pissed at Pat going, leaving me.
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:48.239
I don't have a license, I gotta drive the BQE.
01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:51.519
Sure, it's three o'clock in the morning, but fuck, dude.
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:55.920
Yeah, you still gotta dodge every crackheaded fucking motherfucker in Brooklyn.
01:03:56.079 --> 01:03:57.440
Well, Ron, we're out of time.
01:03:57.599 --> 01:03:58.719
Yeah, I am too.
01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:00.480
But I got one more question for you.
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:01.280
What's up?
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:04.880
Someone comes in Nebraska, they're gonna take a vacation.
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:06.159
They want to see Nebraska.
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:06.960
Oh, sure.
01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:08.239
Where are you sending them?
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:09.360
Away from Lincoln.
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:10.639
Give me that lighter.
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:11.199
Where to?
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:16.159
Uh, I would go to, I can't even tell you because then everybody will go there and ruin it for me.
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:19.119
I'd go to the Nibrara of the Sand Hills.
01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:19.840
Right on?
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:23.519
Probably uh Dismal River, but I didn't say that.
01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:24.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:26.159
Because I mean, come on, Dismal?
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I mean, I wanted to use that as a band name.
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Because that is fucking, that's pretty melancholy, dude.
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Dismal River?
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Took the kid there, the two girlfriends.
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And then the Brooklyn girl, we had to get off of the Dismal because it's like all the four-wheel drive, Bud Light fucking douchebags were there.
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Because they were rebuilding the main campground.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And so we had to just keep trucking the Nibrera, which I didn't want to go to.
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And then it was ended up being great anyway.
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Oh, yeah.
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Because nobody was there.
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It was the end of September.
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Nobody's there.
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We just tried to paint and fucking smoke weed, I think.
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I don't know if I had any.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then we hit a deer.
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I show her Snake Falls and we go up there, and I'd taken the kid and Sarah up there.
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I think the kid came with.
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I got recordings of me plunging into lagoons above the Snake Falls because there's always a raging river, rocks, and shit.
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You've probably been there, right?
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Diving in these little lagoons, we'd always go above the falls or behind it and shit.
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It's just that raging wall, and there's these little signs hand painted, you can tell.
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Beware of rattlesnakes.
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It was always so cool.
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And I think when I took Laura there, she has a camera and she just kind of wanders around.
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I think with the kid, I believe that I believe the kid and Laura was together for some reason.
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I know Sarah went up there with me and the kid once.
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Me and Sarah do it separately solo, and then we take the kid either the same year or the next year.
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To uh because I think we go to Shadron State Park, but we find that dismal river camps ground by you used to go to the Fire Tower.
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Yeah.
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That burned down, I guess, in the last 10 years.
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Do you know that?
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No.
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But it was been in the There's been a lot of parts of the world.
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But there's been it's right in the heart of that national forest that's Halsey or whatever.
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And you go down, you're going down back down to the main kind of where Dismal and the sandhills are at.
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You'll see these little weird rural road signs kind of on the inside curve, and I saw Road 11.
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I go, well, let's just take that.
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This is when me and Sarah found that first original campsite.
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And you just baja for about 20 minutes, like fucking ripped your tailpipe off coming out when we took the boil up there the next year.
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And it is and then you come upon this big huge sand dude right on this little river that looks like a tiny version of the flat or something.
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It's just a tiny little about this deep dismal river, it's gonna be snaking through that, hooking up with a loop or something.
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And you take that road 11, you go down, and there's a little campsite there, and you can go about 50 yards to the fucking dismal river, get in it, and there's a cow bridge that crosses this S-shaped channel that sweeps it out deep enough for a four or five deep water level, which and then the cow bridge is only about that much higher than the surface of the water.
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And you can just jump in there and swim, you know, it's oh, it's hotter and fuck.
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So you're jumping in there, swimming, all this shit, and then I end up doing a watercolor off that bridge, dropped my brown watercolor in the fucking curve.
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And I was like, God damn it, right?
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And then as I'm done with it, which the last thing I forgot to do was highlight some of the white of the sky in the water, and that would have been a great pain, but it wasn't.
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Because I forgot to do that.
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And uh and as I get done, the kids have been swimming and shit all around me and shit too.
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And after I'd been swimming too, I'm trying to rip off this pain real quick.
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And all these cows descend on us.
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It happens all the time.
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It just happened the other day.
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I fucking pioneers, I have a huge bowl looking over this cliff at me with seven or eight heifers.
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And I'm thinking this guy's just gonna gallop down the cliff and just gorge me to death because he's just looking at me.
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I'm like, what?
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At the Buffalo Swimming Hole where I did that art show, right?
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All those pieces.
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I just every once in a while I'll go hit it, you know?
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And it's all changed.
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And that rock that John bought the Buffalo Rock one, right?
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I think black and gold, at the Bella Show.
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And that whole rock was bigger than this table, right?
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And I called it Buffalo Rock because it looked like a buffalo laying down on the ground, that shape.
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And I would put like found bones of that lagoon because it was the kind of biggest lagoon, deepest thing to hang out with a kind of a strip of sand beach.
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That's that's the two pieces I gave to Dean.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Was the toad and the I mean the uh garden spider and the frog.
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That's from the same beach.
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So I was there maybe a month ago, and every once in a while I'd pop back to that Haynes Branch Crick and just smoke try to draw something.
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We'll run.
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Yeah, I gotta go, dude.
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Yeah, we'll do this again.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I won't go online because I gave up screen, so it's awesome.
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My life rules, dude.
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Yeah, brother.
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I just practice piano, dude.
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I'm destroying it, dude.
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Right on, man.
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Here's what I say, dude.
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I don't need a band, I just prefer it.
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All right.
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I'm a man, you're talking to each other and young kids.