Scars And Second Chances

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Hello, everybody, and welcome to another edition of Skip Happens.
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And it does happen.
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It already happened.
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You didn't see it, you didn't hear it, but it happened before we went on live.
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But uh that's why it's called Skip Happens.
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Skip Clark, I'm your host.
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Uh, you know, I want I want to start this right off.
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You can see my two guests are right there.
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I expected one, but one brought the other.
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Well, you got to point this way, but he came along for the ride, and he's somebody really special.
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We'll tell you about that here in a minute as well.
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Uh, some artists, this little opening I did.
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Some artists follow the path that's kind of laid out for them.
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Others have to tear it up, start over, figure out exactly who they are.
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Uh, my guest today has been making music since she was a kid.
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I think she's still a kid.
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Spent time chasing the dream in Nashville.
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We'll talk about that.
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I love Nashville, by the way, been there many a time.
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Experienced the highs and lows of this business and continues to evolve as an artist.
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She's talented, she's determined, and she's got a story that goes way beyond the songs.
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Jacqueline Kenyon is with me.
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And also, you'll see Justin Love, who uh we're gonna explain who what he's all about here in a minute, too.
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Uh Jacqueline, it's so good to see you.
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How are you?
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It's a pleasure to meet you.
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Good.
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So nice to meet you, Skip.
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Thank you for having me on, and thank you for having Justin on.
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We're so excited to be.
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Well, I was actually gonna just kind of block him out of the picture, but you know, he he didn't have a reservation.
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You did.
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He will make himself seen.
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Yeah.
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You know what?
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He's gonna be really well known if he isn't already, because what you guys are working on is is pretty big.
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Uh, Jacqueline, you know, you started performing at a really young age.
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Uh, when did you first realize music wasn't something that you enjoyed?
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It was something that you wanted to pursue on a serious level.
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Yeah, so kind of crazy.
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I got into music very young.
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I my first memory of music was being three years old and my dad's piano and just playing music with him.
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But I had this showcase that I was a part of in Toronto, Canada called Honey Jam, and it was a label showcase, and Warner Music had put it on, and it was the first time I was on stage with a full band, and I was in a mod club, which was kind of crazy, a 12-year-old in a club for the first time.
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And uh, it was the first time that I had ever played music for a live audience and been interviewed and had that whole experience.
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And I was like to my parents, this is the only thing that I want to do, and I never looked back after that.
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But how nervous were you?
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It was a warner project.
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I mean, you had to be a wreck.
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Yeah, I I was nervous, but there was like this weird piece that came as soon as I got on the mic and started singing, and uh I I still feel like that every show I'm like sweating and scared before I go on, and then as soon as I start singing the first line, I'm fine.
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You know, there's nothing wrong with that.
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As long as I've been doing this, I can tell you when I step on stage to to do the uh what we call the presents for the bands, it's like that initial you you get a little like okay, what am I gonna say?
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What am I gonna do?
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But the minute you open up your mouth and you talk into that mic, it's like wow, okay, I'm good.
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Yeah, it's like okay, I got it.
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I did it.
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The hardest part is getting on the stage.
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Yeah.
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Justin, tell us a little bit about you as well.
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How long have you been doing this?
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In town, uh, 14 years before town.
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I was out in Waco, Texas, doing this.
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I did Christian music.
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Yeah, okay.
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I've been singing since I was five years old.
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I wrote my first song at 11.
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And then I started playing the guitar around 13 and drums around 11 as well, actually.
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Um, so yeah.
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Really?
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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Um, and uh went to college for music, uh, graduated with my associates in arts, and then I asked my professors, you know, what should I do?
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And they said you should move to Nashville and network because you ain't scared.
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I was like, aye, Captain.
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So$650 a truck and a trailer.
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I moved here in 2013 and I never had to leave.
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And and you weren't scared.
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No, yeah, I love that you said that because anybody listening to this or watching this, whether it's now or down the road, that's great advice.
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You had a you have confidence in yourself, you're you're gonna make that move, and one way or another, you're gonna try to give it everything you have to make it work.
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Absolutely.
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That's cool, yeah.
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You know, Jacqueline, looking back at that young girl starting out, uh, what did she understand about this business and what did she have absolutely no clue about?
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Honestly, I don't think she understood anything.
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Looking back.
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Well, I I understand, yeah.
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Yeah, like nothing.
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Um, I just I loved music and I loved people, and I didn't realize anything.
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And there was artists that I had looked up to, you know, Shania Twain was a huge influence to me, but also my dad and mom always pushed like Journey and Aerosmith on me as well.
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So I had a lot of different diversity, but I knew I knew nothing, nothing.
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So you grew up around a lot of rock.
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I did speak a lot of rock, and I can tell from the music that uh yeah, we'll play a little clip of it here in a minute, but uh I yeah, yeah, and that's the way it's going now.
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I think that that is so cool.
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I hope so.
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Yeah, I really hope so because I always feel like it's it's that hard box in country and rock where you're too rock for country, you're too country for rock, and I think we've now come to a spot, especially with Hardy opening up lanes and even Carrie Underwood.
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Yeah, we can do that, which is exciting because it's uh it's accepted now.
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Is there a particular artist that you you're really getting into now, maybe on the in with the country genre?
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Because there's so many, and they're pretty much coming out of the woodwork.
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I mean, social media is just throwing them at us, but uh is there somebody that you're really digging?
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I would say I've seen Steven Wilson Jr.
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live, and it was the craziest performance I've ever seen.
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Yeah, yeah.
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His voice is out of this world, how he nicest guy, too.
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Oh, nicest guy.
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Yeah, and like I it's funny, people don't talk about all the highlights of artists after, but I have to say, with him in particular, I was so impressed after his show.
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He had signed hats for everyone, and he was there for probably about a solid hour after his performance, just signing these hats for everyone and making sure that every person that was waiting for him had his signature on it.
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And I was like, that is the real deal.
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Like he's exhausted, he's taken the time to do that.
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So it's really cool.
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Yeah, and the artists need to see what he does, you know what I mean?
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Because that that helps you.
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You know, you gotta have that uh, you know, with your fans, you gotta have that communication, you gotta make it work, you gotta you gotta prove to them that you're no different than they are, you're just doing something that you love, yes, and it all comes together.
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What about you, Justin?
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Um I I like to tell people that I'm country meets rock meets pop, put it together, you're a crop artist.
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So I'm a crop artist.
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Oh, I like that.
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Um I never was raised around crops, grew up on a farm, we didn't have crops, so that was my crop.
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Um but uh talking about Stephen Wilson Jr.
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I mean, one of my biggest guys is Keith Urban, one of my biggest guys.
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Always has been, always will be.
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But um I grew up where I couldn't listen to anything with distortion guitar until about 15 years old.
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Oh wow.
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It was a very, very strict religious uh uh environment.
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Um I was a youth pastor's kid, and when my dad finally said no to the church, yes to Jesus, but no to the church, then um I got into Black Sabbath and Death Left for Paranoid Jovi.
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Oh yeah.
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Iron Man?
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Iron Iron Maiden, all of them.
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I mean, no, Iron what did um I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut you off, but Black Sabbath did like paranoid, and then they was it uh Iron Man?
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Was it I am?
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Yeah, they did Iron Man.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah, something like that.
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All that stuff.
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I yeah, I grew up uh when I got to college, I had a good handle on that by the time they started kind of introducing more like heavy metal to me.
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And I was like, this is a little too intense for me.
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Man, I love the guitars, but I don't want to be screamed at.
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I get screamed at home for free.
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So yeah.
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All right.
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I got you.
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No, that's cool.
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Well, you so you said, Justin, you're in the the Christian music for a bit, which is cool.
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Love it.
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I was.
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I started out in Christian, yeah.
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Yeah, and and Brandon Lake is somebody that I I love to listen to, and he's very Christian.
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And uh it's it's so good, so good.
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Just music like that is just phenomenal.
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Made me think of that.
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But uh so you know, uh Jacqueline, what where's your hometown?
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Uh Toronto, Canada.
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Oh, that's right.
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You're north of the border.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But I feel like I always joke, I'm like, I'm half American because I've I've been coming back to back and forth, honestly, um, to Nashville since I was 15 years old.
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So it's been I've I've been around Nashville for a while.
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I became friends with Brad Mates.
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Was it Brad from Emerson Drive?
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Brad from Emerson Drive.
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Then there was Dennick, who was the guitar player.
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Um years ago, we pick we became pretty good friends.
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He'd come through town and we'd stop and get lunch before he flew back to Canada.
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So it was kind of cool.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Doc Walker.
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Big, big, big.
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Love that stuff.
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Absolutely love it.
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I always wondered though, um the difference.
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I mean, being a Canadian artist, country artist, and then you, you know, American country artist, and there's that divide for whatever reason, but there really shouldn't be.
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I know I kind of wondered why.
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Because there's you know Aaron Goodvin?
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Yeah, exactly.
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And he's a great guy.
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We just had him here for a show a couple of weeks ago with 615 Collective, and um, and and I've met him before and we've talked about the same thing.
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He says he he he can't go out of the house in Canada because everybody's like, Oh my god, it's Aaron Goodwin, you know.
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They go there, but in the United States, nobody knows who he is.
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He says, I can go to the store, I can do whatever I want here.
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Yeah, so that's crazy.
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So you grew up in Toronto, yeah, just outside a little town called Burlington, uh, which is like 35 minutes from downtown.
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How little of a town is that?
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Well, it's not that little now, it's like turning into a full-on city.
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Um what's the big thing in Burlington?
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What's the big thing?
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Like what's exciting that?
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Yeah, let's say let's say I'm I'm taking a trip to Burlington and I'm gonna drive into town.
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What's the first thing I'm gonna see?
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Well, I would say we have Brant Street, which is cute, it's a bunch of cute little towns.
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Um, and a lot of live music happens down there.
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Love that, yes, which is great.
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And I grew up just off of Brant Street, so I love it.
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Every single time that did you play on that street?
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I would, yeah.
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I would do little shows there all the time.
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How cool! And uh yeah, it's just it's cozy, it's very cute.
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So that would be the top place I would go to, but also like Canada's so beautiful, and Ontario is beautiful, and Niagara Falls is one of my favorite spots.
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The Canadian side is beautiful.
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Justin had gone there the one time, and with his mom, he's like, bang.
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I love it.
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I love it's so true.
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I mean, you know, yeah, you you see the American side, all right, but you go to the Canadian side, it's absolutely gorgeous.
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Oh, it's beautiful.
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It's so funny.
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It is absolutely go to the wax museum on that side and all that good stuff, and it's it's it's crazy.
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So, how long have you two actually known each other?
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It's been a while now.
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It does been like six, six years, yeah, five or six years.
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Yeah, it's been a hot second and a half, which was more than half a hot second.
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So uh I like this guy.
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You got a lot of cool sayings.
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I like that.
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You come up with some good stuff.
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Well, that you know, that definitely would make you an exceptional songwriter, which I'm sure you are.
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I grew up on Bud Abbott and Lou Costello.
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So I love it.
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I love it, I love it.
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Yeah, so um I just I forgot what I was gonna ask, but it doesn't matter.
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So we've known each other for about five or six years.
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Yeah, yeah, okay.
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And how did you meet?
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Um, through our friend Frankie.
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Yes, you're right.
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Yeah.
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Frankie.
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Everybody knows the Frankie.
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Yeah, she was a songwriter and a producer uh out here in in town, and uh we linked up, I think was it a coffee shop?
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Yeah, I think we met for coffee first, and then we did a round together at the hotel.
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Yeah, uh-huh.
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And that's how our story starts.
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And that's how it starts.
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Um now you're both in Nashville doing your thing.
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Um, and and Jacqueline, you've opened up for some pretty big artists like Nickelback.
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I mean, I could see you doing that.
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Even uh, I think Nickelback was doing like a little bit of somewhat country, but not really country country.
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I think it's country too.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I'm not wrong to say that.
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No, definitely not.
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And then I was reading in your bio um that you opened up for Don McLean.
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Wow, yes, what a range.
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Yeah, at the Nashville Municipal.
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So they were doing um ceremony induction into the singer-songwriter Hall of Fame, and uh I was the opening band for that, which was incredible.
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And opening for Nickelback, were you like holy crap?
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Yes, I was.
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It was crazy because the craziest part of that was uh it was Ottawa Blues Fest in Canada, and they have never let us know which stages we were gonna be performing on.
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They just said, Congratulations, you're playing Ottawa Blues Fest.
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So I was so excited because it it's always been one of my favorite festivals, and I was so pumped to be on stage.
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And then I get it wasn't until the day before, I get our sound check and I see Nickelback, Warren Zeters, Jacqueline Canyon, and I'm like, No, no, no, this is this is there must be a mistake, right?
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There's a typo.
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Uh and so I message the sound guy.
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I'm like, Oh, is this on the main stage?
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He's like, Yeah, yeah, you're playing main stage.
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I'm like, Oh, okay.
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It's insane.
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So it was it was wild.
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Yeah, and once you got done with that, you went, yeah.
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You know that that's that's big time.
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That's major.
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That's major.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, no, I wasn't.
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No.
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You know, either one of you, um, everybody sees Nashville as a magical place uh where dreams happen, or so they think.
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All right.
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Um what's the part of Nashville that people on the outside do not see?
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Either one of you can answer that.
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I'll let you answer that one, Justin.
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How saturated this place is.
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Everybody is a talent.
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I mean, in some form or fashion.
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I was talking to uh a gal last night that just moved here three weeks ago, and she goes, Oh, I'm a songwriter.
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And I'm like, Oh, okay.
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She goes, Yeah, I write so many poems, and I'm like, everybody is a and she just kept.
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I think it's also this saturated sense of everybody thinks that sometimes whenever you're walking in just to check out certain environments, that at first it seems friendly, but then when you start trying to take a gig, and you're not trying to, you're just there and they offer you something, then it becomes this competition insane.
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Um, and you know, I've I've found myself getting in the door with certain things all because I choose to support and collaborate before competing.
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Absolutely.
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I like that.
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But it is it really is a magical place, and you find the people that you drive with the connection here is just the the atmosphere, the environment, the community is just everything.
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It is uh a lot of people they get the um the impression that they're gonna go to Nashville, they're gonna become a star.
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But like you say, there's so so many people you go to there.
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You know, there's so many, but it and it doesn't happen overnight.
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I mean, Tim McGraw took 10 years to even be noticed.
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Um, but um everybody wants to go.
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And if they don't go, I always tell people to go if they think they have what it takes.
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Go ahead, go.
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But you gotta learn to be able to take the criticism.
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You gotta be able to take the, you know, learn the word what the word no means, and you gotta stay positive.
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You gotta hold your head up.
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I mean, because I mean, I'll ask you too, both of you.
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I'm sure you've been there.
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Um, when so you know, there's a lot of haters out there.
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How do you handle that?
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I mean, I've gone through the ringer with this, and I I think it's um it's difficult too because especially when I was younger, I'm trying to figure out myself, and there's there's things I love and there's things I want to fix.
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And when you're so uh on a pedestal for everyone to see, it's so difficult to try to take that negativity and just let it go away.
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And I can honestly say I don't think I ever just like get used to it or that it ever really goes away.
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People's words always have weight, but it's how you identify with yourself at the end of the day.
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I mean, I'm a Christian, I I put my words in my my faith in God at the end of the day and my identity.
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And if I didn't have that, I would be so lost because if you're not grounded in in Christ, totally it's it's so hard to just get lost in it.
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Totally 100% agree with you.
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Um I feel that uh when you do you get the negative comments and things like that, that it makes you better because yeah, take them and say, All right, you don't like that?
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Whatever, I'll do this, you know.
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And I think with all that, it makes you a makes you better, both not only a better person, but a better musician.
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So it does.
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That's what you learn from you put the anger into songs, and you're like, okay, you just have to find an outlet.
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How do I sound now?
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No, not just kidding.
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Just kidding.
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Yeah, uh, was there ever a moment where you thought, okay, this is happening.
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I'm about about to break through.
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Do you remember that moment?
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Because you are breaking through, both of you.
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So go ahead, Jacqueline.
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I'm so glad that Justin came on tonight.
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That's so cool.
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Just gonna keep swerving it over to each other.
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How do you take care of it?
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You know what?
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I I can say that I have always just been so in my head about like what's the next thing?
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What's the next thing?
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What's the next thing?
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Because the industry is like a roller coaster.
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You have the best days and then you have the worst days.
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And when a gig comes and it's life-changing, you're up here, and then the next day you wake up and you don't have that gig anymore, and you're back down here.
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And you really have to learn how to ride the waves.
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And for me, the most beautiful experience um for myself was when I started releasing this project Scars because I started actually being able to relate to so many people in different ways.
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And I I saw this merch that says your damage, it ain't a damn weakness.
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And every time I play a show, people will come up to me and talk to me about their life or things that they've been through.
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That's awesome.
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It's so cool.
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And I I've been chasing, I'll be the first one to say that success for so long.
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And it wasn't until things started breaking, which we can chat about later.
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Um, for that two-year period in my life, I had I had nothing.
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I I didn't have music, I lost control of my music.
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And so that really just led to a lot of conversations, to be honest with God, about what I was supposed to be doing with my life.
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And when I created this project, I wanted it to be purposeful.
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So now I look at it like it's a success to me, and I feel like I'm breaking through if I'm touching someone with my music, or people are coming to me after and you know, telling me their stories and their scars, and it's it's been really beautiful.
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Jacqueline, is there any one particular moment that you recall that something you remember somebody saying to you about how they connected?
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The hardest thing that I had recently, and it was so beautiful.
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And I I actually started crying after on stage because it was really difficult to handle.
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But this woman had come up to me and she had a wedding ring on her neck, um, on her necklace, and uh I was noticing it while I was singing, and she was very emotional in the audience.
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And after I I was saying, I was sitting down, I was packing up all of my stuff, and she came over to me and she just broke down and she's like, I just lost my husband four months ago, and I needed you tonight, and I really needed that song tonight.
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And it's the first night that I've been out with any of my friends since this had happened, and there was a reason that I was here, and you kept something in my heart, and I was just trying, and I'm like, that's that's what it's about.
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Like, that's it right there, and uh the coolest moment.
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There's a reason that happened, you know.
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Yeah, exactly, exactly right.
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Um what happened?
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You I know you did have a time a couple of years where things happened and you lost your music.
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Can we talk about that a little bit, or is it too no, it's fine.
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I was trying to go out.
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We're gonna go deep now.
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Uh um, but yeah, no, I'll I'll give you the the cold notes for sure.
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So I was on this TV show called Banded.
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Yes, they take 25.
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You won that, right?
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Craig, I don't mean to interrupt, but you you won.
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Yeah, okay.
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Okay.
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Yes, I won this TV show.
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I was the only Canadian on the show, and um, they take 25 people.
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They had this mansion that we lived in in Mount Juliet, Tennessee, and we lived there for 10 weeks.
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And for those 10 weeks, you were put in a band with people that you didn't know.
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You would have to make songs together, a band name together, you would have to perform at the municipal arena in Nashville in front of a live audience and judges, and record the song and write the song all in a week.
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So every single week leading up to those 10 weeks, you were just put under the ringer, really.
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And um we ended up winning the show.
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It was based on uh different songs of the week that you would have to write and record, and the judges would pick which ones they liked.
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And at the end of the show, we got a record deal.
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And so unfortunately, um, or unfortunately too, we were having big hopes for the show.
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It was gonna be globally recognized, it was really exciting.
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We thought our lives are gonna change forever.
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Vince Neal was one of the guest judges, Brandon Jenner was one of uh hosts of the show.
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Wendy Starlin, who developed and founded Lady Gaga, was our mentor on the show.
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Like everything was going like my life is gonna change forever.
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My 10-year break in Asheville, this is it, basically.
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Um, and then it just went silent, dead silent for about two years, and never had heard back from the record deal.
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The show unfortunately didn't go the way they had planned, and it was just a very unfortunate situation for both parties involved.
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And um yeah, I couldn't I couldn't release any music during that time, and it was even though they weren't doing anything, you they still had that much control over you.
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Uh you weren't allowed to do put your talent out there, you weren't allowed to do that.
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No, no, I was in a I was in a spot where I just I was bad until a deal was uh delivered, and unfortunately.
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That's two years of wasted time for such a great artist as both of you.
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You know?
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Yeah, wow.
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So you overcame that though.
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Yeah, you put out scars.
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I mean, you just you know, and now we got a little bit of uh this is called I wanna.
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I'm just gonna play a little bit of it.
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Here we go.
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I wanna take you to the top of the old town water tower.
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Uh oh, right on the water.
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I wanna walk through that old iron bridge right here to catch the biggest fish.
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Maybe you can back to take a little Here we go.
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Take it off.
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All right, I'm not gonna play the whole thing because I don't want to give it all away.
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And YouTube's gonna yell at me, and Facebook's gonna go, what the hell are you doing?
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You're not allowed to do that.
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So you'll probably get a notice saying, Did you give this guy permission?
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But uh okay, good, good.
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Then we're then we're all good, but I still have to go through all that.
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But uh that is that is unbelievable.
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That song, I wanna.
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That uh you know, I I hear music every day, I do this every day, and I'm not just telling you what you want to hear, I'm telling you what's coming from my heart.
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I want to play that song, I want to hear more of that song, and I want you two to tell me about that song, who wrote it, how did it come about?
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That man up there.
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Wait, I gotta do this way.
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All right, Justin, talk to us.
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I had someone that I was starstruck over, you know.
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And my name's Justin Love.
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I mean, I might I fall in love pretty fast and pretty hard whenever I do, but this person I've been friends with for a hot second and a half, and she was a songwriter and artist as well.
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And just one day, whenever I was at Listening Room Cafe playing on stage, I just saw the the Miley Cyrus moment in the movie.
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She's she's walking out in the field and she turns real slow and everything just slow motion, it happened to me.
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And the very first thing that popped in my head was, I want to tell you that you're beautiful in more ways than the obvious.
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And after that, I had the melody hit me for the most part.
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Um, and I didn't have any words, I just had I wanna, you know.
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Um, and then my buddy Troy Castellano came in and was like, Man, I'm I'm I'm digging this.
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I said, I hope so, because if you don't like it, then I'm gonna have to go find someone else that wants to write it, you know.
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And then, you know, after me and Troy got together and met Jacqueline, and she was like, I love this song.
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And she was kind of the one that decided that it should be a duet.
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And then because of her, we turned it into one, Dago.
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Well, I think that's a plot.
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I mean, right there, when you have the two voices coming to, I mean, you know, voices go together well, it's it's a rock and tune, but it's country.
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Uh it's yeah, it's perfect.
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.000
It's she annihilated the vocals in the studio.
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I was like, holy fudge nuggets, nuggets of fudge, and everything else and such.
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She really tore it up.
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Yeah, yeah.
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The blend is insane.
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The people that I talk to all the time about say that song is just a whole next level.
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So I was like, but that's because you know, you think about it, her name is Jacqueline King, and she is well known in the you know the Canadian side of things, you know, and that whole bandit thing, we knew each other and during her whole bandit thing.
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And you know, it was that there was that moment when she wasn't able to, you know, express her art and her thing.
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And we had already, you know, kind of decided we were gonna do this duet, but it was put on hold.
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But you know what?
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God has a way of working things out, how he chooses to, when he chooses to.
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So who am I to judge and who am I to question?
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This is crazy.
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This is crazy good.
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Perfect timing, like, and it was such a crazy story.
00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:51.680
But I remember the one time like Justin and I were in the studio and and we were going through the song.
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We've just both looked at each other and we're like, Yep, this is that's it.
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Do you feel that when you hear something and you just you you don't have to say a word, you can just look at each other and go, This is it, yeah.
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:06.400
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Especially with this song.
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Like when we started doing the harmonies, we're like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Because I'm a I'm a stickler when it comes to harmonies, and if someone ain't blending, I won't fall, I won't feel it.
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I'll I'll there'll be mystery in the chemistry.
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There was no mystery left in this chemistry, I promise.
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.119
That that is that is so cool.
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:29.440
Have um I I know you have grassroots working it for you, yeah.
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Uh, and by the way, they're the best.
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:34.000
You know, I'm just gonna tell you, I know everybody there, they're the best.
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Nancy and the whole crew.
00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:37.599
I mean, everybody, Katie, Shannon was there.
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.519
Um, she moved on now, but still, they are the best.
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They are the best.
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:50.480
They're they're musicians and they're radio people, and they know where to point you, how to point you in that right direction, and they work with you.
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They're so good.
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So lucky with them.
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Like, and they uh the thing that was exciting about them was right from the first time that we had emailed them this song, they were so excited about it, and that's what we wanted.
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:05.279
Like, we just wanted someone to love it as much as we did.
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I think they did.
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I know I am, and I just heard it for the first time here not too long ago.
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So thank you.
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:12.240
That's pretty cool.
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:24.559
Um what did you learn from uh you know, you guys have had the opportunity to be around some incredibly talented writers, musicians, industry people at this point.
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What did you learn from being in those rooms with those people?
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:30.160
Ladies first.
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Thanks.
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:36.960
Um I would say, well, a couple things.
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I think the the coolest thing at the end of the day is that whether you're a new writer starting out or you're one of the biggest writers, the process is the exact same.
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:52.799
And that's just really cool and really exciting because you just don't know when the magic's gonna come in the room and hit.
00:29:53.119 --> 00:30:03.599
We wake up with an idea or we, you know, just have a really good day where we collaborate, and then a song gets written, and then everyone goes home and they do their thing.
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:11.759
It's like it's not some special, you know, format that only like these elite people can can grasp onto.
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Anyone can grasp onto it.
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:18.960
And the coolest thing is that the magic's in everyone's hands, you just don't know when it's gonna spark and when it's gonna happen.
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:20.400
And we're all looking for it.
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:22.319
I was gonna say that's the magic.
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:23.039
That's it, man.
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:24.559
That that's how you know you went.
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:26.160
I mean, just Justin Love.
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.599
By the way, you know how many radio people have that name, Justin Love.
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:30.559
Really?
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:32.079
Probably a lot.
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:39.920
No, I I'm pretty sure I know there's been a few, but uh well, I know there's another artist in town named Justin Love, but he's uh really RB.
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:40.640
RMB.
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:41.599
He just moved here.
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:42.160
Yeah.
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.279
Yeah, I could see that being an RB.
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:45.759
Okay.
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.079
Yeah, but either way, I want to meet him.
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:57.279
Either way, I want to meet him and let's just exchange our driver's licenses because that's my actual name, and I'm very grateful.
00:30:57.519 --> 00:30:57.839
Is it?
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:01.599
I I mean I'm not gonna pick if it is if it isn't, but no, that's very cool.
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:02.240
That's amazing.
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:03.680
Very cool.
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:05.200
That's very cool.
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:05.839
How many?
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.359
Let's talk about your family a little bit.
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.200
Uh Jaclyn, are you like an only child or do you got siblings?
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.519
I have a little brother and he's my best friend, and it's so awesome.
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:17.039
Yeah, it's so fun.
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:17.759
I love it.
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:19.599
Does he visit or does he live there?
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:21.839
Yeah, he and he's he's funny.
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:29.039
He really doesn't love music because he's been submerged in it since I've been a kid, but it's funny because like I know he actually does.
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:34.720
Like he'll be in the back of the car and I'll be like sharing songs and he's singing along, or he's like, Oh, I like it.
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:36.720
He never says, like, oh, I love this song.
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:37.680
She's like, I like it.
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:39.279
He keeps me humble, it's good.
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.559
Yeah, I love that.
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:42.160
And then your mom and dad.
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:43.759
Yeah, and then mom and dad.
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:45.119
Cool, and very cool.
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.200
I've been married for forever now, 20, 29 years.
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:50.319
Oh, there you go.
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:51.359
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:52.880
When you think about it, there you go.
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.720
Um, Justin, what about you?
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.799
I know you've been doing this for a little bit, but uh are you the only musician in your family?
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:01.680
You got siblings?
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:02.640
What's the deal?
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:06.000
Uh, I got two sisters, I'm smack dab in the middle of both of them.
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:07.359
Oh, you poor guy.
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:11.200
Oh, it was at first, but you know what?
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:12.720
I'm grateful for both of them now.
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:14.480
And I don't give a flying flip nugget.
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:22.480
Um, my parents, my parents were together for 26 years, and then there was, you know, a divorce involved, but then my dad, my dad met someone hilariously enough.
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:26.559
God has a real sense of humor with the last name weed.
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:33.440
And so I now have weed and love in my life without having to really worry about touching the stuff, you know.
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:40.720
Um nobody cares, but yeah, they they've been together for a while now, and you know, I'm my mom's still in my life.
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:44.240
You know, we everybody's just so close knit, and my that's awesome.
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.920
My I'm the only one in the family that continued doing music, yes.
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:53.440
Let me ask uh Jackie or Jacqueline, you first, if you weren't doing music, what do you think you'd be doing?
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.319
Something in music still, for sure.
00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:58.799
Um I I love teaching kids.
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.799
I love expiring or inspiring.
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:01.359
Wow.
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:03.839
I love inspiring the next generation.
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:06.480
Yeah, you can expire the generation too, I guess.
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.359
Um, but yeah, inspiring the next generation.
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:13.359
And uh yeah, I'd probably do something in like production.
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:14.240
I love production.
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:14.880
Oh, do you?
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:18.000
Do you like playing with all the different sounds?
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:22.319
Do you go on Pro Tools and kind of do your thing, do your magic?
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.799
Yeah, yeah, like that's a talent, you know.
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:27.440
My whole uh record that just came out.
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:29.119
So I very cool.
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:35.599
Yeah, you know, that's a talent in itself, but what you're hearing and mixing it down and putting it all together.
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:41.519
And if you know how to operate Pro Tools, yes, that's a big plus, but it's the best.
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:46.000
Yeah, it is the best, and it's fun because you just throw your vision onto it, you know.
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:47.200
Yeah, no, exactly right.
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:48.640
What about you, Justin?
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:54.559
First off, I'm a logic pro guy, just because Logic Pro, it just makes sense.
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.319
Just like all that to say, okay.
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:09.199
Yeah, if I was if I was not doing this, I'd probably be either a motivational speaker of some sort because I love encouraging and uplifting people, absolutely.
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:10.559
Yeah, it's in my blood.
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:11.440
I love that.
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:12.320
I love that.
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:18.719
You know, um, for both of you, your music has moved through country into a harder rock edge, which we talked about and we hear it.
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:25.519
Was that a a conscious decision, or was it simply you finally making the music that felt most natural for you guys?
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:27.039
Ladies first.
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:30.400
We're not gonna get over this one.
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.519
I'm just gonna answer offer my ex's help.
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:39.360
Yeah, I would say, you know, I played it safe for so long in Nashville.
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:53.280
I tried to fit into this box that didn't feel authentic to me just because I felt like that's what radio wanted, um, or that's what people wanted or labels wanted, and I was the most miserable I'd ever been and not creative at all.
00:34:53.519 --> 00:35:05.280
And um, after that period with the show, and I really did self-reflecting and tried to figure out who I was as an artist, I was like, I'm just so tired of trying to make everyone else happy, and I'm miserable.
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:15.760
So I dived in and I started writing uh from this place, and just naturally that rock edge and that grit just came back, and I'm like, I'm never, I'm never leaving that again.
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:17.280
Like, this is it's who I am.
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:20.400
And chances are that's because of the way you were brought up as well.
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.840
Having that, you know, that music in the background at home.
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.119
Absolutely journey and those elements, too.
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:31.280
It makes you feel like a different person.
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:40.320
Like, I I think for myself, I've always been like such a just very calm, quiet person off stage.
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:42.800
Like, I'm very in extroverted when I'm around people.
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:58.079
I love talking to people, but when I'm by myself, like I really just want to be on my own and recharge and um that music, especially for myself when I was younger, when I would listen to a rock song, I would just get empowered and I'd feel like a different person and I would want to be that person.
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.280
So on stage I was that person, but at home I wasn't.
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:07.599
And it took me a really long time to try to get that baby Jacqueline Kenyon to now Jaclyn Kenyon together.
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.800
Um, and I finally feel like now my personality is matched up with that style and that sound.
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:20.559
Do you think it's safe to say that um you know you don't want the industry to put you into one box?
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:25.280
You want to be yourself, you want to do your own thing, and it could change tomorrow, maybe.
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:30.480
You just want to have that that independency to be able to do what you want.
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:36.159
And maybe that's why you're staying as an independent artist, because I think that's a that's there's nothing wrong with that.
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:37.280
100%.
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:53.920
I'm at a spot now where like I've chased all the fancy label deals and fancy management, and I'm just at a spot now in my life and my career where I just want the right team of people that love the music and that believe in my project so much because at the end of the day, that's that's all that matters.
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.119
You're like you're getting into a marriage with these people, basically.
00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:57.599
Yeah.
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.119
Um, so it's that's what's gonna shine through at the end of the day.
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:06.320
Do you think you're closer now than ever before to the artist you've always wanted to be?
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:07.119
100%.
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:12.000
I'm not the same person that you've made those decisions for yourself.
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:28.559
Yeah, I can honestly say I actually just had a meeting the other day with um someone in town, and I remember sitting in that chair about 10 years ago, and I actually was thinking I am not even close to the same person that I was before.
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:29.840
And you feel good about it.
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:32.400
Yes, this is happening.
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:33.599
Yep, absolutely.
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:35.679
Do you what about social media?
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:40.559
Um, you know how it's completely changed how artists build their careers?
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.280
Uh has it made out of the frame?
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:44.320
I know, I know.
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:50.880
Has that made uh being an independent artist easier or has it actually made things more exhausting?
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:52.079
I think it's harder.
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:53.119
What do you think, Justin?
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:54.400
Yeah, either one of you.
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:54.880
Talk to me.
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:56.480
Thousand per daggum cent.
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:56.880
Why?
00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:02.400
Because you're having to fight the algorithm every daggum day, every daggum minute.
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:06.480
It's it's frustrating because it's a guessing game.
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:12.000
Like people say there's a formula, you gotta have a hook, and you're like, well, we're songwriters, we have hooks, you know?
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:21.679
And and so it's it's fun trying to find ways to be serious without being too silly or too dumb.
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:23.760
But it seems like that's the stuff that really pushes.
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:26.000
And then Nick's like, Scott Hellman, okay?
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:28.880
You watch that guy's videos and you know him the Mr.
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:33.519
Record player, but it starts off with him karate chopping something and then it goes into his video.
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:35.679
It sparks curiosity.
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:44.559
So I mean, yeah, I appreciate it, but I'm like, I don't want to be a content creator, I want to be a music creator, but in this day and age, you have to be a content creator as well.
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:46.960
I was gonna say that, that you have to do it.
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.440
You pretty much have to do it if you're gonna even compete with the best, you've got to do it.
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:52.320
It's crazy.
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:54.320
Do you guys do all your own?
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:56.400
Yeah, I do, Justin.
00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:58.320
Yeah, crazy.
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:00.719
So crazy.
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:03.440
Another layer and like another thing to learn.
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:09.119
Well, I mean, at the end of the day, you have to do what you you have to do, and if that's where it's going, then sure.
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:10.719
Like, I'll I'll do it.
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.599
I'm I'm such a workhorse when it comes to music.
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.440
Like, you tell me where to go, I'm just gonna do it.
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:17.599
Yeah, thank you.
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:34.960
But at the same time, it's like, oh, like I'd rather be investing time into creating more music, and like I'd rather have someone film me and like get all of that done, and I'll do it so that I can go get more music because that's what's what's ultimately driving it.
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:36.480
So yeah, it's exhausting.
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:38.159
I got you.
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.519
Totally got you.
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:45.360
Um so on a day where you say, you know what, I don't want to write, I don't want to do any of this.
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:46.079
What do you do?
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:48.880
What do you do when you just want to put everything down for a day?
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.280
Maybe just get a breath of fresh air, so to speak.
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:52.719
Just kind of take a step back.
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:53.360
What do you do?
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:53.920
Do you run?
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:54.480
Do you walk?
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:55.360
Do you play sports?
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.599
Do you what's your life like when it on one of those days?
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:02.320
I guess nothing.
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:02.880
Okay.
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:07.119
Um I love meeting people.
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.199
I love getting coffee with artists.
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.119
I love getting coffee with my friends.
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:16.320
Uh, I believe that even my co-writers, though, I love solidifying that connection a little bit more.
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:18.559
Not everything has to be music related.
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:19.440
I get you.
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:21.760
And so I really like hanging out with my friends.
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:23.360
I love supporting other people.
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:31.599
Um, I love going to the rounds and just saying hi to people, just just to just to immerse myself in the chaos, even though I'm not doing anything myself musically.
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:32.320
Just going it.
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:34.079
I still love supporting.
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.280
And then if I'm not doing that, I'm probably hanging with my best friend at a bar.
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:38.000
There you go.
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:39.920
No, and and sparking some conversation.
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:40.480
That's cool.
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:42.559
Oh, just hanging, just talking, just hanging.
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:42.800
Yeah.
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:48.880
And I honestly do everything other than music on those days because that's just my time to clear my brain.
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:59.760
Like I'm shopping or I'm with friends, or I'm petting a cute horse on the side of the road, like anything that basically says are you a are you a horse person?
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:00.559
Oh, yes.
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.159
I so I grew up on a farm.
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:04.079
I had two horses, yeah.
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:08.000
And my parents sold it when I was in grade seven.
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:11.280
So yeah, I have a little bit of resentment towards that.
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:13.679
But have you thought about maybe down the road?
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:22.719
Because you're still young, and it looks like you're right on the edge of doing something really big here, and then kind of saying, Okay, now I can go, I can get my I can get my horse farm.
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:24.239
I can get my heaven.
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:24.880
I don't know.
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:26.559
I don't I live in the city here.
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:31.360
I I don't know, but no, no, I'm actually I'm in the suburbs, but still, you know what I mean?
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.320
That you can have some horses and maybe sponsors.
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:41.679
So those are the little things with the big necks, right?
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:44.480
Yeah, with like the super ugly faces.
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:48.239
Yeah, like I think personally it's the funniest thing.
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:52.639
Like if they're so ugly that they're cute, and I just I want them.
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.280
Like, my dream is to like come home one day and they're just like on a truck bed coming to me.
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.719
Well, you know, I don't think that's I don't think that's weird.
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:04.239
Justin may, but I don't think it's weird to each their daggone.
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:06.480
Yeah, I know people that love cats.
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:12.320
I know people that love cows and pigs, and you know, it's like and I'm like, okay.
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.039
Yeah, or like the little Highland cows, you know.
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.039
Yeah, all the yes, yes.
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:19.280
Yeah, yeah, they are kind of cute, actually.
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:21.119
They are, they are, yeah.
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.280
So um I didn't know everything.
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.639
What things get frustrating and what keeps you going?
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:32.480
Justin, do you want to answer this one first?
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:33.840
No, you want me to answer?
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:35.920
He's pointing, he's pointing to you.
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:38.239
When do things get frustrating?
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:43.440
Yeah, when do things get frustrating and when uh what keeps you going when that happens?
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:45.920
When do things get frustrating?
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:58.719
I think things get frustrating when we put way too much um fear over faith when we try to just navigate um a plan that might not even be there for us.
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:07.920
And I've caught myself getting into that so many times where I'm just so overwhelmed and anxious, and I have to just take a step back and be like, it's because I'm not just enjoying the moment.
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.039
I'm trying to predict something that might not even happen.
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:24.000
And um, I that's that's when I I've realized that that's my time to really figure myself out and have to sit down and and be in my word more or pray more because that's me going a whole different direction.
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:29.280
And um, it's it's kind of a trigger for me when that anxiety and that fear start coming up.
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:33.039
So I would say for myself, that's uh a big thing for me.
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:40.400
And I'm always trying to catch myself doing that and um and coming back to where I need to be because it happens all the time.
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:43.119
You have to constantly get yourself back in check.
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:44.880
Yeah, Justin.
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:59.519
Uh the frustration, I guess, for me would be sometimes, you know, and it happens to everybody, but you gonna I ask God to help me not get envious of other people and watching them you know get the opportunities that I'm not getting, you know, and you know.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:01.840
The the doubt kind of starts setting in.
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:03.039
Am I doing something wrong?
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.440
Am I just, you know, do I need a course correct?
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:14.320
And uh, you know, watching deals fall through, you know, you have these opportunities, and then you know, but we serve a God who's all about mystery.
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:18.320
And just because it's not so obvious doesn't make it less evident.
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:23.519
And so, you know, the the the the prime example is what happens, what happened to me recently.
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.239
I I play guitar for a lot of people in town.
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:29.679
I'm I'm a higher gun, I sing harmonies, I do that.
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:37.360
Cool, but even just taking that space, like uh last week I was talking to God, I'm like, why is this happening to everybody else?
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.719
And no sooner did I say that, you know, I'm frustrated.
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:47.440
The very next morning I get a call asking if I want to play guitar for an artist at the Grand Opera.
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:48.320
Oh, wow.
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:57.440
And even though I'm not the center piece, I'm the side man that's just as important to make sure that person doesn't get off.
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.199
And it's God saying, You weren't questioning my motive.
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:02.239
I got you.
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:03.039
I got you.
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:04.639
And being on that stage, you're right.
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:07.199
Yeah, that's it works, it works out how it's supposed to.
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.360
And who am I to even doubt him?
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:10.960
My gosh, he's gotten me this far.
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:12.159
Well, I exactly.
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:12.800
No, 100%.
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:13.440
100%.
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:23.519
And you're right to be on that stage, you know, if it wasn't for the musicians that stand behind the uh the headliner or the the lead vocalist, I mean they wouldn't be anywhere.
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:25.840
Yeah, so it's the trust constantly in him.
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:32.320
So the frustration is the fact that it's happening to everybody else, but then it's also when it's passion, nothing's gonna stop you.
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:40.639
Someone saying no, because what she was saying earlier about the the whole uh the dynamic of these people coming up to her saying your song, I needed that.
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:46.159
You know, you can impress someone for a moment or you can impact them for a lifetime.
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.440
That's impact, and that's what you're gonna love this.
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:50.639
You're gonna love this question.
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.239
What was the last thing that really made you mad?
00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:57.760
Hmm.
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:00.239
Last thing that really made me mad.
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:01.119
You know what?
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:04.000
I would say I'm waiting.
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:12.960
Um I'm gonna say in in terms of the music industry, because I see this quite a bit and it does make me mad.
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:32.079
Um but it's the the lack of appreciation for opportunities, and I feel like it happens a lot, and I see it a lot, and um I everything I do now because I didn't before is a hundred percent.
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:58.639
I try to do everything at a hundred percent, and I try my best, and you know, some days I don't feel great and I I don't want to put on a smiley face and do it, but I'm gonna try with the most energy that I can that day because I remember looking at the CMA awards when I was younger and seeing um, I don't, I won't share who it is, but a particular artist up there that you could just tell wasn't giving their all.
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:02.400
And I was like, I would die for that opportunity.
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:07.360
Yes, yeah, up there doing that, and it just it upset me so much.
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:12.239
And so just in the industry with anything, like give a hundred percent.
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:14.960
Um, because I get it, I get it.
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:22.239
Yeah, it's so frustrating to me because there's people that would absolutely die to do this, and we work so hard every single day.
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.480
You are so into it, and I love that.
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:33.280
I can tell just by asking that question and the answer you just gave me tells me that you're so passionate and so dedicated for your craft and what you do.
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.480
I just I I respect it, I really do.
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.960
And I've had uh lucky to do it.
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:46.559
Artists come on and say, Yeah, some guy cut me off on you know the highway by Demon Boro Street or whatever that street is.
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:48.480
Demembrion, Demembrion.
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.280
That's what I first called it when I moved to town too.
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.199
You know, I know that's that's why I said it because I knew I'd get a response.
00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:58.559
Um, but you're right.
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:06.400
The first time I was in town, God knows how many years ago, uh, I was like, what's this Demon Borough, Demon, Demon something street?
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:08.880
Demembrion, Demembry.
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:10.559
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:11.679
No, that that's funny.
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:12.159
That's funny.
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.880
But I was waiting, uh I thought I'd get that type of response.
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:16.880
But what about you, Mr.
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:18.000
Justin Love?
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:23.119
For me, it's the lack of support for other for each other.
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:33.119
I mean, it's it's this this this there's an appreciation for the certain people that come out your community, but then it becomes very it comes it becomes very clickish really quick.
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:39.440
And a lot of the rounds that you want to get into, if you're not in that click, you're probably not gonna get picked.
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:44.559
So then you have to kind of feel like you gotta partially, you know, kiss ass, you know, or something like that.
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:48.079
And in reality, that's the only thing that frustrates me.
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:48.880
But you know what?
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:54.480
You immerse yourself in the chaos of it long enough, someone's gonna bump into you, and then that's your opportunity.
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:57.519
So that would be the thing that made me mad.
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:01.920
So I think I love those answers.
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.880
I mean, that is so so good, so good.
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:11.840
Um, so with I wanna come into radio, I mean, I have good feelings about that song.
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:14.400
And uh where are we going with the music?
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:15.360
Where what's next?
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:17.599
Where where do you want to see yourself in five years?
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:18.960
Let me put it that way.
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:41.360
Yeah, so on this project in particular, there is nobody else that I'd rather partner to do a duet than with Justin because it was just Justin has gone through so much in his career, his life, and like myself, has been grinding so hard in this industry with not enough recognition.
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:52.000
And it was one of those things where I just when everything was happening and I was going through songs to try to see what I wanted to do to kind of make a reintroduction into Nashville in a way.
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:57.360
I was just there and it just kept popping up and I kept listening to it no matter where I was.
00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:06.800
I was driving a car or I was, you know, out with friends, and it just felt right to message Justin and be like, this is the right time for this song.
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:11.119
And um when I did message him, he's like, I didn't think you wanted to do it.
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:12.639
I'm like, of course I want to do it.
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.159
It just it wasn't it wasn't the right time, and I and I couldn't.
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:19.679
And so when we started talking about that, everything just changed.
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:27.440
But where I'm going with that is duet-wise, this song is is supposed to happen and this collaboration is supposed to happen.
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.239
And Justin and I are so excited with all the support we've gotten.
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.480
And if that leads to more opportunities with the both of us doing something, then we will take it.
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.199
There's no door that we're shutting at all.
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:51.760
Um, but on my personal level as an artist, I hope to be playing arenas and doing this my whole entire life and just just inspiring the next generation as much as I can through the scars that I've been through, and hopefully that can touch other people.
00:50:51.920 --> 00:51:02.320
And um, as long as I feel purposeful at night doing that, making music that makes me happy and relates to other people, I'm good because I will never do that again.
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:05.920
Or I was living in Nashville just trying to write a song to make it a hit.
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:07.440
That was the most unfulfilling thing.
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.000
Who does your who does your booking?
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:13.760
I do everything right now, absolutely everything.
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:15.519
And uh it's exhausting.
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.599
So a team that's where I was going with this.
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.079
Yes, I'm currently looking for all of that right now.
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:23.440
Yeah, well, you know, you might be able to hire a staff pretty soon.
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:28.239
I'm just saying, it just keeps us going, and uh it's it's amazing.
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:34.239
Um, quickly, either one of you can answer this Nashville or Los Angeles, because you spend time in LA, right?
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:36.719
Yes, we didn't talk about that.
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:38.639
I just happened to see it here on my notes.
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:41.760
But uh quickly, what did you what was in LA?
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:50.960
That's so I had gone down to LA for the first time at 18 or 19, and I was working at Howard Benson Studios down there with Mike Plutnikov.
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.360
So they did like the get a grip record, Aerosmith.
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:54.400
Yeah, so cool.
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.079
Yeah, um, and I was in an artist development deal with them at the time doing rock.
00:51:58.559 --> 00:51:59.039
Oh, cool.
00:51:59.199 --> 00:51:59.679
Gotcha.
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:00.079
All right.
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.639
So I was writing down there and submerging myself with it.
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:05.760
All right, with that being said, Nashville or LA?
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:06.960
Nashville.
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:07.679
Alright.
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:09.519
Justin, LA.
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:11.199
Oh, I see this is the end.
00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:13.840
Trying to do an end, uh, I saw the end.
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:14.880
I saw the end.
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:16.639
Writing or performing?
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:18.639
Performing.
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:20.159
Performing.
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:21.280
Okay.
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:25.760
Small intimate club or huge festival stage.
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.639
Massive big time.
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:32.000
Massive, yes.
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.840
Uh country song you'll never get tired of.
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:40.719
A country song I'll never get tired of?
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:41.280
Yeah, yeah.
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:43.119
A country song that you'll never get tired of.
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:44.880
I told you I was gonna ask some weird questions.
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:45.679
Yeah, man.
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:48.159
What is it?
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:49.679
Man, I feel like a woman.
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:50.639
I love my song.
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:52.719
Let go.
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:54.960
Do you do that in your shows?
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:55.519
I do.
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:56.320
Do you do the cover?
00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:56.800
I love it.
00:52:57.039 --> 00:52:57.440
I love it.
00:52:57.519 --> 00:52:57.760
All right.
00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:58.719
My favorite.
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:00.639
Probably long hot summer.
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.000
Oh, Keith Urban.
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:02.800
Yeah, all right.
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:03.360
What do you think?
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:05.119
You know that was written with Richard Marks.
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:06.159
Yes, yes.
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:12.320
And and talking about Keith Urban, the yacht rock is phenomenal.
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:12.960
Yes.
00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:17.440
Uh, you know, we we were playing uh Summer Breeze for a little bit off that.
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:20.800
Uh, and um I know the old player song.
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:22.880
Um oh gosh.
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:24.639
Anyways, they're all good on that album.
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.679
It's like they were just messing around and look what happened.
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.480
Yeah, he got to he got to do one with Michael McDonald.
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:33.199
I'm like, wow, yes, yes, you know.
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:34.159
Um, all right.
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:37.280
Uh rock song, you'll turn up every single time.
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:40.320
Rock song?
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:41.280
A rock song.
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:42.559
Runch song, okay.
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:45.840
Rock song um have a nice day by Bon Jovi.
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:46.559
Ooh.
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:49.280
Ooh, don't stop the leave in journey.
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:50.719
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:53.039
That's a wedding song.
00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:01.360
Folks, it's the last song of the night, and you know, don't say that's the last song of the night.
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:02.639
That's how I end things sometimes.
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:03.280
It's hilarious.
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:04.239
Is it really?
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:04.719
Yeah.
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:05.440
That's awesome.
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:07.840
I'm like, oh, and that's it.
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:09.760
I loved it.
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:11.840
I I I definitely want to see you sometime.
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.480
Uh, first concert you ever attended.
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:18.480
Actually, Britney Spears was the very first concert I ever met.
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:20.000
Yeah.
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:21.599
I was like six.
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.320
I don't think it was Britney for Justin.
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:28.719
Uh a Christian artist who's no longer with us, but his name's Carmen.
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:29.440
Okay.
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:30.159
All right.
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:31.039
Very cool.
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:32.239
Very cool.
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:36.800
Uh if you uh an artist you would stand in line to meet.
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:38.400
Richard Marks.
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:39.679
There you go.
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:40.719
That was quick.
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:42.719
I got her thinking.
00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:45.199
Recently, Elle Langley.
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:46.800
I just love Richelieu.
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:48.639
I think she's the sweetest little thing.
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:50.239
She is very sweet, very nice.
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:51.840
Yeah, uh, she's very nice.
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:52.960
She's very sweet.
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:54.960
She's no doubt a superstar.
00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:03.440
Um we didn't even I know I this is more about you than it is about me, but still we did a a uh a show last week.
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:06.079
We had um Dylan Marlowe.
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:11.840
Oh, and uh somebody came up to me and said, Do you know uh Ella Langley was here a few years ago?
00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:12.559
I go, What?
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:14.000
And they show me pictures.
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:16.079
It didn't even look like her, but it was her.
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:21.760
I mean, the kids said Ella Langley, she didn't have the bangs, her hair was you know parted in the middle.
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:23.840
I'm going, Are you kidding me?
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:29.679
So yeah, it's like I remind she opened up for Randy Hauser in this little club here in central New York.
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.480
So it's like you know what I don't like about Ella?
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:40.480
She's got too many songs at the same time on the radio because people like me that have to program the radio station.
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:42.719
It's like I got Ella here.
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:50.239
Oh, I got Ella here, but then I gotta move Ella here and maybe move somebody else up here, and then it's like, oh, but I love the music.
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:52.159
All kidding aside, it's so good.
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:52.800
It's so good.
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:53.920
It's so good.
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:59.280
Uh song you would wish you uh had written, song you wish you had written.
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:07.280
Man, I should have known better by Richard Marks.
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:09.119
I love it.
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:12.719
Um, I would say Better Man by Taylor Swift.
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:13.519
Oh, wow.
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:14.800
Are you a Swifty?
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:21.519
I wouldn't call myself a full Swifty just because I submerge myself in so many different genres.
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:25.679
Like, I feel like I'm not really uh any but at least like I'm okay.
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:26.239
No, I get it.
00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:27.119
I get it, I get it.
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:34.719
But um, but I love her music, and that song in particular, I think, is just so brilliantly written, and she's amazing.
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:36.079
She's an amazing woman.
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:39.039
She's incredible, she's incredible, nicest person, too.
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:45.599
I I think um I gave her her first or second radio interview ever, and she was only like 17 years old.
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:48.079
I still have the thank you card over here on the wall.
00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:52.880
Um and I I am not getting rid of that thank you card.
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.039
That is so cool.
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:56.639
It's very cool.
00:56:56.880 --> 00:57:01.679
All right, before we close, one word that describes where you are in your life right now.
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:05.280
It's a hard one.
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:07.199
One word.
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:11.760
Was that a word?
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:12.800
Yeah.
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:18.559
Oh goodness.
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:20.000
I know, see, that's a hard one.
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:20.800
That's a hard one.
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:21.440
But that's all right.
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:22.880
You don't have to answer it.
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:23.599
You still pass it.
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:25.440
I got it free.
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:26.000
Free?
00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:28.480
I can see all right.
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:32.800
Yeah, I feel I feel free in my in my music, free in myself.
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:37.039
Just like I just I feel yeah, I love that for you.
00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:40.079
Supported.
00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:44.719
You are absolutely, absolutely.
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:48.320
We all are in all the best ways, all the best people, thank God.
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:50.239
You know, it's been Skip Happens tonight.
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:57.039
I've been talking to uh Jaclyn Kenyon and Justin Love, and you gotta check out the song because it sounds something like this.
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:00.400
I'm gonna yell at it again, but I'm gonna play it again because I love it.
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:02.239
I love it.
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:05.760
And if you don't have, we're gonna tell you how you can get this.
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:06.320
Hang on.
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:09.840
Take you to the top of the old town water tower.
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:15.039
Uh oh, right on the wall and guilty.
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:20.960
I wanna walk you through that old iron bridge, right here to catch the biggest fish.
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:28.960
Maybe you take a little bit.
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:51.119
And I want to be able to go, that's I wanna.
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:56.159
It's uh Jacqueline uh Kenyon along with Justin Love on 92.1 the wolf.
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:57.039
And uh, you know what?
00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:00.559
If you like that, you need to call me, you need to tell me, and we need to play it a whole lot more.
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.800
Um, I don't know where where that came from.
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:04.239
I'm sorry, I just lost my mind.
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:07.519
We appreciate the support, truly.
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We love the song, and it's nice to know that everybody else is loving it just as much.
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Yeah, well, I I think you're onto something here.
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You got good people working for you, you got a good team when it comes to the public, you know, helping out with uh sending it to radio and all that grassroots is great.
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You two are very talented, obviously.
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Um, I think you have a quite the future ahead of you.
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I want to say thank you for coming on Skip Happens and uh you know Jacqueline Kenyon and Justin Love.
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I didn't expect that guy, but he's here, so he popped in.
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I went, You're not Jacqueline.
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Unless there was something I didn't know.
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But no, it's it's all good.
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But I want to say thank you to both uh for being here tonight.
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It's Skip Happens.
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And if you've enjoyed this uh interview, we we always try to have fun, that's why it's it's Skip Happens.
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Um, tell your friends about it, subscribe, go to YouTube, and just give us a uh you know, a little click on the button there.
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And if you want to support it, you can do that as well.
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Most importantly, you check out the music, and where can they get the music?
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Everywhere, everywhere.
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Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon.
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Um, we're constantly posting reels and we're getting together and doing more, so there's just gonna be constant promotion for this song.
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I love it.
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And that that re that you know, look up scars, look up all the tracks that are there.
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You can find them on YouTube, and you'll see also I wanna is on that list too.
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So yes, absolutely.
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Make sure you get it.
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Thank you for watching, everybody.
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It's been another edition of Skip Happens.
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Thank you to both of you for being here tonight.
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Thank you for having us.