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Hello and welcome to Shoot the Hostage with me, Dan, and my partner, Sarah. We're a movie podcast and we cover eight films per season based on a specific theme. It is worth noting that we do occasionally swear, open brackets, very often swear, close brackets. We also occasionally cover triggering topics, so we would always advise using listener discretion and probably don't listen around your kids. If you like what we do and want to support us, please consider hitting five stars on Spotify or maybe subscribing or even reviewing on your platform of choice. Uh we also have a Patreon with a free tier for lineups and updates and two paid tiers with extra content and early adree episodes. Right, that's enough from me. On with the show. We back, Sarah. We back for another episode in the size doesn't matter season.
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It does kind of matter though.
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It doesn't matter Sarah. You can't say that to me.
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It matters a bit.
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Size doesn't matter.
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Okay.
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Last time, Sarah, we dipped our toe into the MCU with Ant Guy. This week, we're hitting the bong and t a giant mutated fish thing with the host.
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We're hitting a bong.
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We're hitting a bong bong.
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Did you do that without me?
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I don't know what you're talking about.
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Okay.
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I don't know what bong is.
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We're hitting the Bong Junho.
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We're hitting the Bong Jun Ho for the very first time,
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but probably not the last.
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Definitely not the last.
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Oh, definitely. He says,
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"Yeah, he makes good movie."
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Hell yeah.
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See last time how we started with a film about small things.
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Mhm.
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This time we're in a film about a big thing.
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I mean, it's all about context, though, isn't it? It's all relative.
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Well, the fish thing is not big compared to the sun.
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Well, exactly. If you're the sun, then that's two movies about a little thing.
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Do you think the sun is conscious? Some people think.
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And I think it listens to this podcast. Yeah.
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Do you?
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I do.
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I hope so. Do you think the son is subscribed to our Patreon?
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I do. Specifically, I'm thinking of um the son from Teletubbies,
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the baby.
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The answer from or one with a face.
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No, I don't want a baby on Patreon.
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Well, it's not a baby anymore. It grew up, didn't it?
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Suppose it's not.
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It's an adult son now.
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That baby is probably 35 years old.
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Yeah. Don't.
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But I thought it was quite clever, Sarah, to start with a small thing, then go into a big thing. And I think there's lots of lots of things in this season that I think you'll agree is quite clever and smart, including the movie choices.
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Yeah, definitely next week.
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Especially next week's Stay tuned till the end. Uh Sarah Sarah, this is our second Scott Wilson movie.
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Is it?
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Yeah.
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Oh, yes. Yes, it is. I chose the other one.
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You did? What was it?
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Uh Monster.
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Monster doesn't end up in a very good place at the end of that movie.
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He does not. No, he he's gone from being in a film called Monster to being in a film about a monster.
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I thought you was going to say in a film where he is the monster cuz he's the catalyst for this this character. in in the host in the opening scene.
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He's not a great dude.
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Not a great dude. We'll return to that.
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Bit environmentally iffy.
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Yes,
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you could say.
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You could say that and you would be right. Now, Sarah, this is our third South Korean movie.
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Yep. Okay. You're going to ask me to name the other two.
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I know one of them is I Saw the Devil.
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Yes.
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Um, again, my choice.
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Amazing movie.
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Very happy that I introduced you to that and that you loved it. That's
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pretty rare. Um, God, what's the other one? Um, oh, give me a clue.
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That's not the clue.
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Countdown.
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Yeah. Uh, give you a clue. Um, how can I give you a clue without it being obvious? If I was running and you were coming after me, what would that be called?
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Oh, The Chaser.
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Easy.
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Of course. I chose them both.
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You did? Yeah.
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But it's the first Korean movie I've chosen.
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So, Why is it in this lineup? Um, it's because I think I might have said this last week, but the there was a couple of versions of the the lineup, and it took me ages to refine it. And the first list was mostly garbage movies.
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The second list was some garbage movies, and the third list was actually mostly all right movies and one garbage movie
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with a well, I'd say one or two potentially.
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Maybe maybe one of the garbage movies we haven't actually seen yet. So,
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two of the garbage potentially garbage movies we haven't seen yet. One of them I'm pretty confident is going to be garbage regardless.
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Is it Garbage Pale Kids?
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It's not Garbage Pale Kids. That's one of your lineups coming up, I'm sure.
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Yeah. So, I wanted to have some good stuff in there. This is one that I think I I might have mentioned this at the end of last week's episode, but I think that I tried to watch this once before. but um didn't get very far with it,
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which is crazy. But you said maybe you just weren't in the mood rather than it being off-putting or bad.
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Yeah, I do that all the time. Even with movies I love, I'll put them on and then a minute will go by and I'm already doing something else and I can't be bothered to watch it anymore. Or I'll put a movie on. I'll look at my telephone and start doing something, look up, and 45 minutes have gone and I've got no clue what's going on.
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You're a diverent.
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It's exhausting.
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It's fun. Do you regret noping out of it?
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What do you What does that mean?
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Um, it means what?
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Noping out of what?
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Nope. You noped out of the film the first time.
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Which film? Oh,
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The Host. Just proving your point.
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I'm already somewhere else.
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Do I regret noping out of it? No. No, I don't because I've watched it now.
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Yeah. Did you enjoy it?
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I did. I loved it. I thought it was a great movie.
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Good. Okay.
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Did you like movies? Yes.
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Great.
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I have not only seen this before, I've covered it before.
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Oh, you have?
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Yes.
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Corporress.
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Um, the first iteration of the Gore Press podcast. God, this is getting into my law here. Um, what was it called? Oh, the Gorress Gorecast.
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There is another podcast called the Gorecast. Now, I have no affiliation with that one. Know nothing about it.
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Royalties, I assume.
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Oh, I wish. Um, no, it was the the first I ever did with um Jamie from Final Transmission
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and we covered the host and I can't remember what theme we shoehorned it into, but that was the first time I watched it. Maybe 12 years ago I want to say.
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I didn't remember a huge amount about it.
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Was that the last time you saw it?
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That was the last Yeah. The the first and only time I'd seen it before this week.
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So it was it was like uh like a first time watch for you then if you didn't did you remember anything at all?
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I did. Yeah. The first half of it was very familiar.
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Um second half I some of it started coming back to me but was less familiar for some reason.
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But yeah, great movie.
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It's a great movie and I I had no idea when I was programming this that it was based on an actual thing like a real event. There's no giant fish monsters in real life to the best of my knowledge.
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Sadly.
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Sadly. Um but the incident that takes place in the very first scene of the film is pretty accurate to what happened apparently um where a US army American soldier doctor man
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not all Americans but it's always an American digest I just we have a lot of American listeners and we love you all.
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Yep.
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Apart from the guy that Scott Wilson's playing.
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Yep.
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That guy can suck a dick.
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If he's listening, I believe his surname is McFarland. Uh I don't know. Maybe it's Seph. I don't know.
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It seems like something he would do. Yeah. Uh, but if you Mr. Mcfarland, if you're listening, f*** you. Pouring formaldahhide into the Han River in in South Korea.
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Indeed. Yeah.
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Yeah. Absolute f*** quit. But, uh, that actually happened and I had no clue that that was the case. So, when I started doing my research and I found that out, I I I think it was about midnight half. I I saw a video on YouTube and I promptly messaged it to you, I think, on WhatsApp. um was conscious that I might be waking you up, but it was too important to to not do because I would have just forgotten.
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Um
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so we we're covering two. This is the second Scott Wilson movie we're covering and technically they're both true crime.
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Yeah, that's right. He only does true crime movies.
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The Walking Dead.
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Hershel.
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Hop along Hershel. Spoilers.
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Hop along Hershel. Yeah. Spoilers for that show that came out 15 years ago. 20.
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Don't stop it. Um the budget for this was 11 million US.
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Uh and it grossed $89 million worldwide. So very successful.
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It did very well in South Korea.
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Very well. What I think one of the most if not the most successful South Korean movies. I know Trains of Bassan is up there.
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I don't know if it's still the most successful, but for a long time it was the most successful. Yeah. I think the the maths was something like 20% of all South Koreans. would have gone to see it at some point.
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Yeah. Crazy numbers.
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And apparently um due to the perceived anti-American sentiment, even North Korea approved it.
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No way. Yeah.
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And they don't approve of any.
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No.
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Unless it could directly benefits somebody who is in charge that place
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and has a terrible haircut in all probability.
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Allegedly has a terrible haircut. Definitely.
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I was thinking about the interview the other day. Why was I thinking about that? Yeah. Uh
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well, funnily enough, um our main character from this movie, the actor Song Kang Ho, I want to say, is also in the interview.
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That's why I thought about it because I looked him up on box and saw the interview and I remember clicking on it. I I remember crossing my fingers going, "Oh, please, please, did he play Kim Jong?"
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No, that was um
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Park. Yeah. Um but you know, a brave person to whoever did that. I guess it's not a movie that I particularly liked. But uh I like that they're jabbing at a certain f*** quit.
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that's fun.
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I remember it being really funny.
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Really?
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Yeah. To the point where I have um a crossstitch in my hallway that says they hate us cuz they anus.
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Is that Is that from
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I look at like you always wondered.
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I look at it. No, I didn't even b an eyelid to be honest. I look at it every day and I'm just like, "Yeah, that seems like something Sarah would have on the wall." And it is.
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it's also my wall.
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I suppose we should a wall.
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Uh, you mentioned a cast. Uh, Song Kang Ho plays uh, Park Gang Du, frequent collaborator with Bong Junho and Park Chamuk.
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Yeah, I would say probably in my experience, one of the most recognizable South Korean actors.
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He's um, he's cropped up in some really really good stuff. Like obviously you said frequent collaborator. He was also in Parasite. Um, he was also in Snowpiercer. And the girl that plays his daughter in this also played his daughter in Snowpiercer.
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Fun fact.
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Oh, interesting. I didn't see that on my on my research.
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So, played father and daughter twice.
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Um, he was also in Thirst, which we watched recently as a first time watch.
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Who was he in that? Was he the main character?
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He was the main guy who's like the sort of I I use this term loosely, but kind of like the sexy vampire,
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So, very different role.
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh, Lady Vengeance.
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He was in Lady Vengeance, was he?
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Oh, holy s***. I love that movie.
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You do love that movie? Yeah.
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Yeah. So, two working with the two probably most well-known Korean filmmakers.
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Certainly in the West. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yes, of course. Um, Bonhi Bong plays Park He Bong was in Oja, a memories of murder.
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That is Park Bong. Yeah, but so this is
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right? I was going to say this is making me feel very uncultured, but I should point out equally I forget the names of um western characters also. Like his name could have been Tim and I would have forgotten it. So I'd just like to point that out.
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Um couple more people on the cast. Pacill plays Park Nam ill.
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That's the brother. Yep.
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the sister, the archer.
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The archer. Yeah. Yeah.
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Uh Kasang plays Park Huno, who's the kid,
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the daughter. Yeah.
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Um O Du or Oda Su plays the monster.
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Okay. Yeah,
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we'll get into the the the monster of it all. So Sarah, first uh first question. Uh where's this movie set?
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It's set in the only place in Korea,
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Soul,
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which is Soul.
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Oh, yeah. There was a train that went there once. I assume it was coming from Soul.
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Just zip between Busousan and Soul.
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Did you Did you have any idea that it was was based on a real life event at all? Not a clue. No, not until you sent me that video at daft o'clock in the morning.
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Yeah. And Hershel instructs his uh Korean assistant to dump a bunch of dusty formaldahhide into the sink.
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At which point Korean assistant is like, you You sure about that, bro?
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There was a protests and a lot of the social commentary around that I guess is included in this film, which is something I love about it. But Korea obviously wanted this guy, this McFarland Joker to be to have some kind of repercussions to to pay for his crime somehow that um
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South Korea, I believe, was sentenced at some point, I want to say in 2004 to 6 months.
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But I don't know if that was ever served. I've got a feeling it was probably suspended. That's what that means, isn't it? If it's suspended.
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At some point it doesn't. It just means don't worry about it.
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As you were, dude.
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Crazy.
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Crazy. Yeah.
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How familiar are you with the works of Bong Junho?
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Well, I've seen a few. What was the first one I saw? I was definitely late to the party.
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You covered Oakja on your old podcast. I'm sure
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But, uh, I think that may have been the first one that I saw. When was that? 2018 that came out. I'd seen it. I think I watched it when it came out on Netflix and really liked it. And then when we covered it, I believe was my second time watching and I thought it was great. I really, really liked it. So, at that point, I was sort of locked into Bong.
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It pro. Yes, I imagine it probably did actually cuz Yes, thinking about it, it really did. It really did hit home for me. And I remember thinking, I can't believe you've made me sympathize with this CGI blob.
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Big blob thing.
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It was cute, though.
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and it's just a real mishmash of tones that on paper you might read it and go, "This is never going to work. Yeah.
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I was enjoying it, but there were so many moving parts. I was like, I don't know how this is going to come off um to a satisfying ending.
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He spins a lot of plates thematically.
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Yeah. Yeah. So, I suppose it would have been Oja and then probably Parasites.
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Um, tell a lie, Snow Piercer. That would have been the first one I saw. But at that point, I didn't know who Bong Junho was. I think I just heard that this film's really good, and I probably read some kind of synopsis and went, "Oh, they eat a baby. Yeah, I'll I'll eat that. I'll watch that." Um,
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Freudian, we don't eat babies here. Promise you.
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So, yeah. Snow Piercer, Ogia, Parasite, and I think that's probably and Mickey 17. They're they're the ones I scene. Uh, so I would like to go back. I I think I'd like to catch Memories of Murder.
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I'm desperate to see Memories of Murder. Ever since we watched The Chaser and um I can't remember who it was. Was it Kevin?
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Yes, Kevin.
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Raiders of the podcast.
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Yeah, I know who Kevin is. I just I just trying to remember what Kevin said. He said many things.
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I know you know who he is. I just thought I'd give them a little shout out.
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Do you think Kevin knows who he is?
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Uh, I would hope so. I think it think it may have been Kevin or perhaps Matthew that's um that kind of mentioned that when we covered The Chaser and said it's quite similar in a lot of ways. Um so I've been really keen to watch it since since then.
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Wasn't massively aware of it before that. I'm going to be honest and
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show my ignorance there. Um Mother,
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that's more recent one is it?
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I don't think it's super recent. Okay,
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that's the one I've seen kind of floating around. I know it's on Curs and Home. Um Um, Bark is it called Barking Dogs Never Bite?
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Okay. So, yeah, I I would love to dig into more of his filmography. Definitely.
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He's got one in development at the moment called Ally.
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Going to read you the synopsis here.
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Yes, please.
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The first sentence.
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A squid dreams.
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A squid dreams of becoming the star of a wildlife documentary.
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Oh, but when an aircraft sinks into the ocean, probably an American. Her peaceful world is not all Americans as you said, but when an when an aircraft sinks into the ocean, her peaceful world is suddenly thrown into danger. So sounds like a bit of bong. Voice featuring a voice by WA Herzog.
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So do I. I want to be on set. for those conversations between Bong and and WA.
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Oh my god, that if if nobody makes a documentary about the making of this film, then they're missing a trick because I want to see that, too.
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Yeah. So, yeah. Um filmmaker I've really come to appreciate over the last I guess it's been over a decade at this point. I still feel like I've just come to the party with him, but I've I've been watching his films for years, I guess. But there's definitely some older ones that I need to catch up on. dare I say will probably end up on the lineup at some point. I
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hope so. I want to give Parasite another another watch as well.
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Pretty keen to rewatch Parasite. Really enjoyed that.
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I've only seen it once.
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Same. Yeah, I watched it when it came out. Really loved it. Deserving really deserving of all of the praise.
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It's one of those journey movies I think as well. It's like one like sort of unpredictable. It's a bit like I I found Love Exposure to be a bit like that. Although that one is 3 days long. It's a real journey. I sort of feel like a different person when it's when it's ended like wow you know such a thing. You haven't seen Love Exposure yet, have you?
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I haven't. No, you've mentioned it a few times.
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Yeah. Well, we got to watch it. It's Maybe we do it in two parts or something because it is I think
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it's about four hours, isn't it?
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I think it's four hours. Yeah, I think so.
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Okay. I I sort of feel that way about all of Bongji and Ho's films though. I find them quite uniformly that's not the right word in this context. Quite consistently unpredictable.
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Can't really be uniformly unpredictable, can you? Um, obviously more consistently. Yeah,
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I totally agree with you. And that's one of the things that I really like about it.
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That's part of the joy. Yeah.
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Yeah. There's a bunch of stuff that happens in this movie that I'm I think a couple of times I was like, "This is an American film. This would never happen."
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And that just makes that unpredictability um obvious like a most most films I would I would say that we could probably guess what's going to happen. most films that we 90% of films within the first act we could probably say this is going to happen that's going to happen just because we've seen at least 10 movies
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well that's that's the problem with watching as many films as we do like we watch a film most days uh I I think you just you start to follow the tropes the the beats of the film and they do become largely very predictable
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but I think this is this is where the beauty of foreign cinema comes in in because far less predictable. Yeah,
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they're not well the ones that are exported to us anyway, I'm sure there are a lot we don't get to see that are probably garbage.
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But the ones that are exported to the, you know, the UK, the US, whatever,
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um, they seem to respect their audience a little bit more. They're not doing a Netflix or an Amazon Prime where they're made for people who are on their phones.
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Yes, definitely. I I they probably do shovel off a load of s*** movies like like we all do. But it's gone through that filter. I guess it's we I guess we only get the ones that are of a certain quality. Don't know. I could be wrong.
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I've seen a couple of s***** movies.
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We have seen some s*** ones, haven't we? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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Project Wolf Hunting was Pony.
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Was that the one on the ship?
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Zombies on a boat. Yeah.
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Yeah, it was crap. Didn't like that.
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Um, yes. So, how many tones and themes did you count in this movie, Sarah?
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That's a bit different, isn't it?
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Um, well, it's to me it's sort of like Bongju Ho kind of goes, "Right, I want to cover social politics and the class divide and corruption in power and the police state and political martyrdom and bureaucratic incompetence and then he just like picks a genre and shovels it all into that."
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Um, and this is no exception because this is fit. squarely into the monster movie category, but it's so much more than that.
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And like you say, he kind of runs the risk of it being too much, but he juggles all of those things so well that it somehow comes together.
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Yeah. I don't know how you I don't know how you do that. It's sort of watching it and seeing all of these things happen on screen the other day, I was just really s I don't know why I was surprised, but just all of the different elements, the lots of things. I like the satire I heard a
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you were probably surprised because of how it was sold because the marketing I don't think is brilliant.
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I haven't seen any marketing for it.
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Well, you've seen the Blu-ray cover which is just like Jaws meets Jurassic Park and it's not. It's absolutely neither of those things.
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I did I you're right. I did read that the other day but I think I forgot it immediately assuming that that was completely incorrect. But yeah, the satire, how dark it is, the slapstick, the themes of the you know, intercountry relations, the dysfunctional families, survival, there's all of this stuff going on, all of this mish mash, and it it just somehow works. I don't know how you get something to at one minute it's you're sort of laughing at the main character cuz he's a bit of an idiot and he's falling asleep, but then the very next scene he's
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being really brave and heroic and I didn't expect that. I expected him to just be a doofus throughout and he kind of is,
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but He also is really capable and I thought that was very interesting.
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Well, interestingly, um, Bongju Ho sort of states that the procedure he underos where they drill into his head, he has sort of I was going to say minor brain surgery, but I guess all brain surgery is probably considered major. Right. So, at that point, he's he's fundamentally changed.
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Oh, right. I did wonder that at the time. Are we kind of is this kind of a labbotomy? situation.
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Well, it sort of seems to change him for the better,
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It made him smarter.
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forgot the passcode to all his bank cards and his phone and stuff.
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I feel like when we've talked, we've just listed like a bunch of themes. We've barely sort of touched the service on like the environmental stuff, which is, as you said, with Oakja and sounds like his upcoming film.
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Yeah. clearly something quite close to his heart. I mean, I don't know if he perhaps heard that true story of the guy dumping the faldahhide and was just like, what if monster and then kind of conjured the story around it,
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but it's obviously a subject he cares a lot about. And I kind of wish more filmmakers did. I don't know. In addition to that, he he sort of seems to have like like there's almost like this punk undercurrent that runs through his films cuz obviously the there's the the the protests and the activists and stuff in this film. And there's talk of the brother being a former activist. Um, and he even goes to sort of see some of his old buddies from that time in the film.
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Knows how to make a uh a bomb with a a bottle of alcohol. What's that called?
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Molotov cocktail.
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Molotovs. That's it.
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Soju.
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I mean, have you drunk soju?
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It's not very nice.
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I quite like it. God,
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I think my chest hair has fell off. Not for me.
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I'm a I'm a fan. Yeah.
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But yeah, I think I think sort of the the class divide stuff, the social commentary, there's something very punk about his film making. Even though it's like technically excellent, it's not chaotic in the same way that you would expect when you hear the word punk or anarchic, but there's just this I don't know. Maybe it's maybe it's sort of jumping off from like the unpredictability of it all.
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I did I guess I did find this film to be a bit anarchctic. Like a it's there's so much doesn't take long for it to get going. Immediately you're seeing the monster. Immediately you're seeing the carnage, all of this stuff going on. It's there's a lot and there's also a lot of plates being spun that eventually the characters separate and come back together. And it was at that point when they separated and we're following different people that I was sort of scratching my head going, I don't know how like I'm quite confused at the moment. I don't know where people are, but I don't know if that was by design or whatever, but by the time it got to the end and they all came together, it really sort of all sewed up nicely for me. But yeah, punk is probably a good anarchic is probably a good good word. I guess that's probably part of the reason why a lot of people were queuing up to work with the guy,
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I guess. So, yeah,
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he gets to make decent budget movies. Mickey 17 wasn't very cheap, although it did take about eight years to get released, didn't it?
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True. Yeah. But to me, that's sort of I don't know. That's more surprising that so many people want to work with him and fund his movies.
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I do because when I when I say punk, I mean in sensibility as well. Like this film particularly is quite um anti-state in a lot of ways. Like it's quite anti- police. It's quite anti-government.
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I think it's Do you think so?
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it's anti- US. the little guy at that time is because of that incident.
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but it doesn't exactly paint the the powers that be in a very good light either. Like there's the police seem incompetent
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and they're throwing their weight around not like not listening to the characters at the beginning when he's sort of in that hospital behind a curtain and he's insisting that his daughter's in a sewer and they're just like, "Oh, shut up."
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Yeah, that's right. And he's saying, "Look, can you trace the call?" And someone says, "No, that's really hard." And he goes to someone else and he says, "No, that's really easy, actually. Why didn't you come to me before?" And
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Yeah. And then they're in that that that like quarantine area and the the the quarantine guy in yellow hazmat suit. He comes in very stern looking like, "Oh, this is a man of authority." And then falls over.
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It's so Oh, it fits so well, but it absolutely shouldn't.
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Yeah. No, you're right, actually. Yeah. The the the figures of authority in this film are a bit of a joke.
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Yeah. But also portrayed in quite um a sinister way, like the whole um Agent Yellow thing at the end where they're just sort of vast disregard for all of the people in the area.
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Yeah. And not like it's not like it's a person that's that's do it's just this floating yellow machine box that's spewing out this poison
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which was apparently designed to kind of resemble the monster or the monster's head.
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Oh, right. Okay.
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Which I thought was a neat little touch.
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But yeah, I don't know. Something something about that really warms me to Bong Junho even more.
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Seems like a good dude.
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I just like the I like the themes that he
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he tackles.
416
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It's interesting.
417
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Yeah, it's a bit of like it's just my flavor, I think. Like the satire and the the the the comedy, the all of that stuff is it just quite just fits my sensibilities. I like to point fingers at the authorities and go you you lot of f*** wits. I do that too, but not as not as as skilled as Bong Junho. I will probably just say f*** you lot to the to on the podcast and he'll make a really great film that says the same thing but in a much better way. What did you say?
418
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Aab.
419
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Aab. What does that mean?
420
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All cop is a bastard. Uh, is that a punk thing?
421
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Yeah,
422
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I've never been a punk, so I don't know much about punks.
423
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You do surprise me.
424
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I I I guess everything I know about punks comes from Adrian Broady and Summer of Sam.
425
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Oh, good lord.
426
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Yeah.
427
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And his weird anglicized accent.
428
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Yeah. Yeah.
429
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Also, you've seen Green Room as well.
430
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Oh, yeah. And Green Room. I've seen that, too.
431
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It's a fairly limited pool to draw from, but still.
432
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And there's that other one, Slook Punk. Oh yeah, I made you watch SLC punk.
433
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Yeah. Is that Has that got punks in it?
434
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Yeah.
435
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Okay. Punky Brewster. Remember that?
436
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You're stretching that the definition now.
437
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I remember when I was a kid, I used to I I love Punky Brewster. I don't know why as a kid, I guess, but I started putting a little bandana around my leg and my parents go, "Did you do that cuz Punky Booster?" And I'm like, "No,
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no,
439
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no." And I didn't do it again cuz I got cocked. She just done it. It felt good. She just stayed with it.
440
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Instead, I let the shame wash over me and I crumbled. f*** you, parents.
441
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Except if you're listening to his mom. I don't mean it.
442
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You don't mean it.
443
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No, I know I don't mean it.
444
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But yeah, when in our late teens, I think you were probably off at raves going on holiday to ather and I was trying to make my hair as tall and pointy as possible.
445
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Yeah. You've shown me a picture actually, haven't you, with your your pointy hair?
446
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Yeah.
447
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Yeah. Yeah. Maybe uh maybe we should do punks. Maybe we should do a punk season.
448
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Maybe.
449
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But there's three movies. We can watch them twice.
450
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There's more than that. There are three decline of Western Civilization movies to start with.
451
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Is that a punk thing?
452
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Um they're documentaries. Yeah.
453
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What was that other thing? The really dark one where the guy has got he's got pointy hair and he's something in a car. Someone gets hit by a car. Oh, Bomb City. Such a good film that's kind of disappeared.
454
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You can't There's no physical media of it.
455
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Great film.
456
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Yeah, there's that one. I remembered that one almost.
457
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Yeah, I cried.
458
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I want to come back to Son Kangho.
459
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Is that the main guy again?
460
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It is.
461
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Right.
462
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Because we've already mentioned the fact that he's probably one of the most recognizable Korean actors to in the West. But I also think with good reason, I think he's one of the best. And I think he's got very good range from what I've seen.
463
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Like he he does often seem to play like this bumbling guy,
464
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but he can do the total flip side of that very easily as well.
465
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I think he's great based on what I've seen. Um, but I just love all the little touches in this movie. Like
466
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just his his like micro expressions and down to the fact that his hair looks like ab I mean this is the worst haircut in film since Evangelene Lily from last week. show and that f*** ass Bob. But apparently they made the decision that the the yellow blonde was intentionally sort of grown out to show that he was a bit useless and lazy,
467
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right?
468
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So they even thought about all of that stuff and what that said about the character.
469
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And I kind of love that.
470
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I loved his little coin collection just always checking that he's got coins in his little bowl and then eventually when they gave him away he's like, "No, not my coins." Put about four quid in there. just the little touches that he was basically borderline narcoleptic.
471
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Yeah,
472
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he was just like always falling asleep.
473
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Yeah, that was that was funny because the kid goes missing and he's sleeping and they're going, "Yeah, how can you sleep at a time like this?" But I sort of relate to that. Like when if I'm really depressed, all I want to do is sleep. I mean, I haven't got a giant fish monster coming after me, so it's not really a fair comparison.
474
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That would make things a little bit more tense. Yeah, I imagine.
475
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But my my body just sort of goes into shutdown when there something like that happens. When I lose a kid,
476
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which happens often. He just can't be trusted.
477
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Yeah.
478
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But no, he was very good. I liked that character. He was fun to follow. I don't remember him at all from the movies that we've we've mentioned already.
479
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Okay.
480
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But, you know,
481
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not even first. We didn't watch it that long ago.
482
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He's a priest.
483
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He starts off as a priest. Yeah. But then becomes like it's not a spoiler to say that that's a vampire film. I
484
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I don't really remember the movie very much. I remember that there's a priest and it's vampires and that's pretty much all I remember. And it's alarming because I probably only watched it about a year ago.
485
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Not even.
486
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Okay. Don't remember.
487
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That's great.
488
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Don't remember him in Snow Pierce. I don't remember him in Parasite. Like I'm sure
489
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the interview
490
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or the interview. Yeah. But uh but yeah, I did I loved him in this. I thought he was great. It was so much fun to follow his character. He just like I said, he was funny but kind of capable as well. So I was quite surprised when he's I maybe capable as being a bit
491
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determined. I would say They over capable.
492
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Yes. Like he has the moment at the start of the movie when the monster first appears and he throws the beer into the water and then the monster starts going after people and killing people and then he's pretty quickly goes into action and is chasing the monster around and throwing things at it and trying to hit it with the the lollipop stick thing and
493
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Yeah. And and they make a point on the on the news broadcast to to kind of mention the the brave American soldier who was injured and he gets none of the credit but he was like in the in the fray as well.
494
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I didn't think of it actually. Did Did Wasn't he the one that first started running towards the lockup where the all the kids are trapped? Like he ran there over there and then the American followed it.
495
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Um I don't remember the specifics if I'm being honest but potentially. But yeah, he was just just like erased. Yeah,
496
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because he's lowerass disposable.
497
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Yeah,
498
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I don't know. I just I think that's great. I think it was done so well.
499
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Just just a fun character to kind of follow. and yeah, he's a bit of an idiot at the start of the movie, but actually quite relatable in a lot of ways. Uh, and just surprising that he does as much as he does really. I guess I was sort of expecting the other members of the family to step up a bit more like the archer or maybe the
500
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Well, she tried.
501
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Yeah. And she had a she had her moment, but uh yeah, no, good character. I enjoyed I enjoyed him very much.
502
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And what about the dynamics within the family? fun,
503
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believable,
504
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believable, fun. Um, kind of kind of realistic, I guess. Like, yeah, you've got the dad who perhaps used to have some alcohol issues or something like that is alluded to where he perhaps wasn't as present as he should have been and might go some way to explaining why the kids have turned out the way that they have. Um, the brother who kind of is a non entity until he arrives and and then um five drinking soju.
505
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Does he?
506
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I believe so. Kind of foreshadowing his Molotov cocktail moment, I suppose.
507
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Yeah. And the introduction to the sister where uh we see her on TV and they're all rooting for her with the archery and she doesn't doesn't quite make she hesitates. She doesn't quite make her shot in time. It's the one point where you go, well, I I reckon in the third act, she's not really going to hesitate quite as much. And that's that's what happens. But I guess that's just, you know,
508
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one of the few predictable moments. Maybe there are some things that you have to do. I guess there are other things that happen in the end of it that I probably wasn't expecting. So maybe some of it where I was expecting it is more comforting.
509
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I think the family dynamics lead to some of the best moments though or some of my favorite moments because I think there's there's maybe nobody like Bong Junho who can balance the slapstick with the sentimentality.
510
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Yeah.
511
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Because there's two moments that I can think of specifically and the first one is where they think um Hyan Su is dead because she's been taken by the monster. And they're at that sort of I don't know, they're in a big room which I guess is some sort of group vigil.
512
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Oh yeah.
513
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Or wherever like they've been caught by the authorities and they're sort of the family's just got together and they're looking at a picture of her and just the exaggerated whailing that's going on and the writhing around on the floor is so funny.
514
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Yeah.
515
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And and it should be devastating
516
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and it kind of is. cuz this guy thinks his daughter's dead. Well, like we as the audience do at that point as well, but whatever's going on on screen is so funny.
517
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I'll be honest, I sort of forgot that the kid was was captured at that point and I was just laughing at them rolling around on the floor. I thought it was really funny.
518
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Yeah. And in a couple of moments, apparently the actor that played um I think it's Nam, the brother, when he goes to kick him, that was completely improvised. That wasn't scripted. So, I get the impression they did sort of maybe form quite familiar dynamic on set.
519
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It It feels that way.
520
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It translated that way anyway. Definitely.
521
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Yeah. Yeah. And I really like, you know, they leave there and they come up with a plan to escape and get some hazmat suits to to wear in disguise that are the wrong color.
522
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Uh they get a like a waste disposal van to to sort of go undercover to to get to this quarantine area.
523
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And the dad has like had to give away his wallet with all of his PIN numbers. And the guys So all your pin numbers, all your cards is 1 2 3 4.
524
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Yeah. Even that seems so funny.
525
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Yeah. And all the stuff in the van, you know, that's when he gives his coins away, I think, actually to the to the to the to the border guys.
526
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Yeah. I And I was I guess another point that I was surprised at is that the dad dies quite early on.
527
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That's my other favorite moment. That's probably like maybe the halfway point or just before the halfway mark.
528
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About the halfway mark. Yeah.
529
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Yeah. That's probably my other favorite moment, like I say, because just the balance of The hilarity with the devastation is done tonally perfectly.
530
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Doesn't it like catch it with the tail and just sort of bash him on the floor?
531
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Well, yeah, because obviously um I've forgotten his name again. So, the guy whose song Kang Ho plays gives him the gun and he's like, "There's one shot left." So, the dad's like, "I'll get him. I'll get him." And he clicks it. Just the
532
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I don't know. It's It's part partly the way it's filmed and partly the way it's edited, but you just hear that click of the empty barrel and the look as he turns around and it just kind of cuts to him counting on his fingers with the realization. So well done.
533
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Very good. Yeah,
534
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but it's devastating. It's emotionally devastating.
535
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Yeah, it's a re It's such a balancing act. It blows my mind really. There's also that scene where they're they're uh they're in that little that little cabin and they're eating their noodles and the kid appears behind them and I I think I said to you at the time like the kid's not there is it cuz they start feeding the kid and it's I guess they're imagining
536
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that they're all together.
537
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Yeah. I I read an interview with Bongju Junho and he kind of um stated that he wanted the family to have one last moment together. So that sort of ghostly apparition was his way of fulfilling that.
538
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Right. Okay. And I suppose at that point we don't know that the kid doesn't make it.
539
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Yeah.
540
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At the end.
541
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No, that was a nice moment.
542
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But interesting visually as well cuz it's unexpected.
543
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Yeah. I was like, "Oh, they found her." That was a short movie. Have an egg.
544
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Can I offer you an egg in this trying time?
545
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What do we think about the um the monster? What do we think about the CGI in this?
546
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I mean,
547
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can you forgive it?
548
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Yeah. Oh, definitely. I can overlook it.
549
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It's not.
550
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And I've seen much worse.
551
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Yeah.
552
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It's Not like Alien 3, for example.
553
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No, this came out in 2006, so it's it's 20 years old, so you've got to take that into account. But there's also an element of just if it's a really good movie, it does help it.
554
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I can sort of forgive it a little bit.
555
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Yeah.
556
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And and also like you can see how much work went into it. It's not like it's they've just farted out a generic design and gone, "Oh, it's it's a generic blob thing that's just running around. actually we need more of them so we're going to copy and cut and paste that into you know it's not that situation.
557
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No, they really thought about it because obviously it's a mutated fish.
558
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So even
559
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allegedly
560
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allegedly so even like the first moments where it's on land it's clumsier and over the film kind of finds its footing.
561
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Um there was it was a combination of an animatronic and obviously quite a lot of CGI. It was designed by Wetter Workshop
562
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and I believe uh brought to life by Orphanage Inc. who did the um VFX.
563
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I've always said that we should get Orphan's work.
564
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Send them don't mind.
565
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Really glad that that they started doing that.
566
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Yeah. Yeah. Poms work. Yeah. And um apparently the crew would throw in big metal barrels into the water um so that they could overlay the creature jumping in
567
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and have it mimic that splash.
568
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Yeah. So there's a lot of thought gone into it.
569
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Yeah, definitely. want to get the physics right. They they had looked at actual animals and how fish move and certain creatures move and how they look if they're on fire, for example.
570
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Yeah.
571
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And and you can see that you can you can tell that as well. And it's a unique looking thing. It's it's a weird
572
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it looks like a fish has gone through the Brundlefly sort of
573
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uh merged with Jeff Goldblin or something like the crew would suspend bits of styrofoam around the the actors. So, They had something to look at as well. Reference point as well.
574
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Just a tennis ball on a stick.
575
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Yeah, it was Andy Circus and a tennis ball.
576
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But I did. Yeah. I mean, I saw the CGI when it first appeared was like, "Oh, I'm not sure about this." But I I sort of I got used to it very quickly
577
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and I was really watching it cuz it's that's the other thing as well is that it's not shy like it shows you the monster very early and it's huge part of this movie.
578
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Yeah.
579
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And it's that's ballsy to do that.
580
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Yeah. But again, that was intentional on the part of Bong Jun Ho because he said so many films of that ilk are shy with the monsters and they don't show them very much and he said he just wanted to get it out of the way over and done with and have it be like ever present throughout the film.
581
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There's a place for not seeing the monster quite
582
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I agree. Especially when it's supposed to be scary.
583
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Yeah. Like if you're talking alien or Jaws or something like that, it definitely adds to the tension if you can't see it but you know that it's there somewhere. Whereas this is not that sort of movie, is it? It's It's not a subtle movie. So why are we We're not going to make any of this subtle. We're going to just show you the monster straight away. But I remember I remember seeing it and and and trying to keep an eye on the water and stuff when it jumps into the water and look at the you know, oh is some of this water splashes, some of that CGI, but I guess what you were saying about the barrels to throw the barrels in that they literally just removed the barrel and inserted the CGI blobfish.
584
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Sounds like Yeah.
585
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Yeah. Yeah. No, you know, while I was watching it, I thought and it first came on, I thought, yes, it doesn't look amazing, but I very quickly got used to it. Yeah.
586
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Very quickly acclimatized to it and and it also is is perhaps part of the charm as well,
587
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I think. So, yeah, if you can accept it, it can definitely become part of the charm. But I think it's important to remember, you said the budget was what, 11 million?
588
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Yeah.
589
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US.
590
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11 million. Yeah.
591
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Which is not a huge budget for a for a monster movie like this.
592
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Monster movie that's all CG. And
593
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there's a lot of CGI in this.
594
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Yeah.
595
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Yeah. Um, so I think what they achieved with that budget is actually really really admirable and I've seen worse in much larger budgets.
596
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Yeah.
597
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So yes, I can absolutely forgive it.
598
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Yeah. I mean, we see worse now still looking at you, Marvel.
599
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Yeah.
600
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Yeah. And it's like there's it's the thought that's gone into it, but also as I've already mentioned, the fact that it's just a really good movie does make a big difference.
601
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I mean, hell, we watched Anaconda last night. the the new one with Jack Black and Paul Rod and it was it was just as bad in that.
602
00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,000
Yeah. Yeah. And that that movie is not as good.
603
00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,000
Um No, not quite.
604
00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,000
It's not very good.
605
00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000
Sony should just sell up at this point.
606
00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000
I Sony might be the worst studio.
607
00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,000
I think so. Yeah.
608
00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,000
Or no, it's Paramount, isn't it?
609
00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,000
But I think I think Paramount might be my least favorite studio, but I think Sony makes on the whole worst movies.
610
00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,000
Death Match. That's how we'll decide.
611
00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,000
Yeah. Yeah.
612
00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,000
Did you know that the um the onset nickname for the creature was Steve Basemi?
613
00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,000
Was he?
614
00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,000
Which feels a little bit cruel.
615
00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,000
Why?
616
00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,000
Well, Bong Jun Ho said that it was based on Steve Basemi's um performance in Fargo for some reason, but that's as far as he got.
617
00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,000
The performance of the fish monster was based on a performance of Steve Bashi.
618
00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,000
No, the nickname nickname Steve Bashmi was based on Steve Bashmi
619
00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,000
from Fargo specifically.
620
00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,000
Okay.
621
00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,000
But I don't know why he didn't expand on it.
622
00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,000
No.
623
00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,000
Uh yeah. No, I couldn't. I don't remember. Have I seen Fargo? I don't know if I have. Maybe
624
00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000
really.
625
00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000
I might have seen it when it came out.
626
00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,000
I know you're not a big Cohen's guy, but it's one of their best.
627
00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000
Not really.
628
00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000
No. Fair enough. Um did you also know that in 2015 because the film had been so so popular done so well financially for South Korea, they um erected a statue of the monster on the banks of the Hound River.
629
00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,000
Oh, really?
630
00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000
Yeah.
631
00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000
Oh, no.
632
00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000
I don't know if it's still there.
633
00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,000
Yeah.
634
00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,000
Um but there were some complaints. I read about that.
635
00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,000
Really?
636
00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000
Yeah.
637
00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,000
Or like people phon the police and said it's back.
638
00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,000
Some people just thought it was ugly.
639
00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,000
It was too realistic, too scary. They didn't like it,
640
00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,000
which is fair.
641
00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,000
Yeah.
642
00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,000
Um there's also a big gold statue of the the hand from the horse riding move from Gangnam style.
643
00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,000
Gangnam. I forgot about the other popular export from Korea is is Sai.
644
00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,000
Yeah.
645
00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000
Whoop. No. No.
646
00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,000
It was Yeah, it was supremely successful this movie. It's 2006 from what I heard. There was planned for a sequel the following year
647
00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,000
without Bong Junho.
648
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,000
Oh, no. I didn't know that.
649
00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,000
Yeah, it wasn't attached, but it didn't it never happened. So, I don't know. I don't know why it didn't happen. Maybe someone said, "Please don't do that because it was it made a lot of money." So,
650
00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,000
well, yeah, from a financial standpoint, it makes sense that there would be a sequel.
651
00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,000
Yeah.
652
00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,000
But I'm glad it didn't happen.
653
00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000
No, it definitely doesn't need one.
654
00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000
No,
655
00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,000
definitely doesn't. Although, I did have a question though about obviously the formaldahhide poisons the Ham River, but only there's there's only one fish
656
00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,000
that we know of.
657
00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000
That we know of. I I was expecting the whole way through the movie for like more to come and then or even like a stinger at the end when they we'll talk about the climax, but when they they kill the the creature, I was expecting there to be a final like there's an egg or something or or you know something like Godzilla or something.
658
00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000
Yeah. Did you know that um in addition to the proposed sequel, there was also so supposed to be um well, there was talk of a US remake in 2008, but that was also shelved.
659
00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000
Right. Good.
660
00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,000
Thankfully,
661
00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000
I don't think it it should happen. No,
662
00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,000
it's not going to happen now.
663
00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,000
It's not necessary. And like some of the dialogue in it is even in English already.
664
00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,000
Yeah. Not unless you're going to get Scott Wilson back.
665
00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,000
Then um No, no, not necessary. It's going to be a vastly inferior version. I don't like to judge before they come out, but they No, they're not going to do any of that stuff. It's going to be played safe. It's going to be And like where's his social commentary? Because it's not it's also not based It's based on a real thing, Korea. Unless you do something that happened locally and just use that as kind of inspiration, but then at that point, just make a new thing. Yeah. Don't get it.
666
00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,000
I mean, take the recent remake of Speak No Evil, for example. English-speaking remakes of foreign movies always pull their punches. They're always safer.
667
00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000
That did I thought that was all right, wasn't it? The
668
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,000
It was okay, but it was nowhere near as as like impactful as the original
669
00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,000
as as reboots of for movies go. I thought that was that was pretty good.
670
00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000
It was all right. The performances were good.
671
00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,000
Yeah. But maybe I was just surprised cuz I was I was going scooter McNary. Like I I'm expecting this to be pretty crap. But it was it was I quite enjoyed it, I think. But that it definitely did didn't do the same things that not going to spoil it, but there's things that happen in the original that that don't happen in in the remake, and it's uh an inferior movie because of that.
672
00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,000
Yeah. Like it might be a welcome change to some people who don't want to see that. Like
673
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,000
I do I play
674
00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,000
No, but it's it was shocking. It stays with you.
675
00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,000
Yeah. Memorable.
676
00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,000
Memorable. Yeah. So, no get f***** with a remake of this. It's
677
00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000
shouldn't happen. That Train to Busousan remake that they keep threatening is has has never come to fruition, which is again I did hear that Frank Gillow was attached at one point. I was like, "Oh,
678
00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,000
briefly got excited."
679
00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000
Yeah.
680
00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,000
Train to Brooklyn or something.
681
00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,000
Oh, there's been a lot over the years. Like there's there was a proposed make of the Warriors for a long time, probably about 15 years ago, but that died a death thankfully.
682
00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,000
Just just certain projects that just wouldn't work
683
00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000
and just are wholly unnecessary.
684
00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000
Yeah. Yeah.
685
00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000
And I think this is one of them because the the tonal juggling, I don't know. It worked once, but I think it was maybe lightning in a bottle.
686
00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000
It's a very specific film. It's a very specific time about a very specific thing. And although It does look at lots of different things, all of the themes that we spoke about earlier. I don't know how I don't know how you Americanize that really.
687
00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,000
Well, can you think of an American counterpart to Wong Junho?
688
00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,000
Um,
689
00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,000
I can't I can't think of one that's doing the same kind of work.
690
00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000
No, I can't I I can't think of anyone. The The only the only person I thought of the other day was a film that I thought in relation to this was Don't look up because of the satire, because of the criticism of the authorities. I'm not saying that Adam McKay is comparable to Bong Ho.
691
00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000
No,
692
00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000
they make very different movies, but some of the satire in that, and that's a film that got shhat on, but I actually really really liked it.
693
00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,000
Uh can see some sort of through lines there, but I don't I can't think of anyone specifically that I could
694
00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000
go, "Oh, yeah, they're they've got similar sensibilities and make similar movies."
695
00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,000
Um a bowl.
696
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,000
No.
697
00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,000
Mhm.
698
00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,000
No.
699
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,000
Well, as long as UV bowl is working, canceled celebs will get work.
700
00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,000
Yeah. So, you wanted to talk about the climax of the film then.
701
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,000
Yeah. I I I was surprised, you know, like like I said a couple of times, started to get a bit confused in the middle. Where is everyone? What are they what are they doing? Why have they separated?
702
00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000
I think they had to because when the dad died on the banks of the river, Um, obviously our main character was captured and the others had to scatter.
703
00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,000
Right. That was it, wasn't it? Yes. He was captured and then the other brother and sister, they were together, but then there's a frame where they just sort of say they got separated. And I was surprised by that. And I remember thinking at the time, oh, is this going to be a situation where she was in danger and you ran away? So, I was thinking that, but of course it's not that because it's that's what I was expecting. And then they sort of go off on their own. She's she's sleeping in on the bridge in that little beam somehow and he's uh sleeping in the tent in a tent with the homeless guy and then they eventually all come back together at the the final scene of the movie and I remember thinking this is a bit like Avengers but they all like they go their separate ways then they all come together and it I'm I'm joking obviously but that that's the feeling that I got from it like the satisfaction I got from all of the Avengers coming coming together and seeing them all on screen. I had the similar thing when I saw the the when I saw them coming together at the end of this movie and they all had a part to play which I really liked and it it just built up to that very very nicely.
704
00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,000
Or the part where the sister's like on your left and it's the brother with the Molotov cocktail.
705
00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,000
Yeah.
706
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,000
It's just the same. Yeah.
707
00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000
Yeah. Yeah. Um Yeah. No, I really liked that. I really liked the ending. The ending there.
708
00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000
And they kill the kid.
709
00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000
Yeah. which I wasn't expecting cuz the kids the whole time is buried not buried it's just in that hole somewhere in a sewer.
710
00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000
The whole thing was shot on location with the exception of the creature's lair which was a set.
711
00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000
You can't put a kid in a sewer anymore.
712
00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,000
You can't really know these days.
713
00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,000
Even if you really want to
714
00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,000
or you shouldn't. Let's put it that way. But yeah, the the whole of the rest of it was actually shot on location at the Wyo Bridge, I think it was called, which I thought was Very cool.
715
00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000
Yeah.
716
00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000
But yeah, I don't know if we'd sort of been softened to her death because there was like a I don't know a 20 30 minute section where we thought she she was dead already at the beginning.
717
00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000
Yeah, that's right. Cuz she gets captured at the start of the movie. Like she's introduced. You see her dad giving her a beer and then she gets captured.
718
00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000
Great parenting.
719
00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000
Yeah.
720
00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000
Just after he's stolen some squid legs.
721
00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,000
One squid leg. The squid's only got nine. Herzog was like, "Where's my other leg?" Excuse me. Where is my other leg? Rubbish.
722
00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000
That was a rubbish impression. Go back to the other side.
723
00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,000
That's all right.
724
00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000
Um, yeah, she she gets she sort of disappears for the first 20 minutes of the movie, half an hour of the movie, and then it's you're surprised that she's still alive and been regurgitated into the the concrete hole. And she gets some company with another kid, and she sort of becomes a
725
00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,000
uh someone that that kid can rely on. And that kid survives. And the only reason that kid survives is because of her. And it was surprising to see her still alive. Very, very capable, very brave little girl. Uh quite scary some of the stuff in it. Although it was tense, I would say scary, but
726
00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000
to put yourself in her shoes, particularly the moment where the monster
727
00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,000
in her shoes
728
00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,000
where the monster comes in and like regurgitates about 40 skeletons.
729
00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,000
Yeah,
730
00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,000
that's terrifying.
731
00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,000
That would be really unpleasant if I saw that. Yeah,
732
00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,000
I think blimey
733
00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,000
go back to bed. I love the bit when the monster is sleeping and she decides because they throw the makeshift rope that they've made from clothes and it's just just out of reach, but then the monster sleeps underneath it and I'm thinking, you've got to run up there.
734
00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,000
And that was great. And she jumps for it and then the monster I didn't quite get what was happening there, but it
735
00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,000
it grabs her with the its tail.
736
00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000
It grabs her with the tail. But I guess what I was thinking is so Is the monster awake? And it's just like I I'm so I don't like you're not going to get away from it. I'm going to put minimal effort in. But the other thing the other thing that I thought was is it asleep and that is just an automatic like defense mechanism or something. I don't suppose it really gave you the answer.
737
00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000
I don't think it matters.
738
00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000
No, but it was just something I was thinking and again unexpected.
739
00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000
Yeah, it was good. Um but she doesn't make it. She I guess at that point I'm thinking I did it didn't even occurred to me that this kid might die.
740
00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,000
Yeah.
741
00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,000
And then it sort of cuts to the the climax of the movie, the third part of the movie where they're having their face off and then old mate reaches into the gob of the fish monster thing and pulls out the two kids and one of them is his daughter, but she's dead.
742
00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,000
Yeah.
743
00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,000
And and even at that point, you don't know if the if I I'm still thinking at that point, she's going to wait.
744
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,000
Yeah. Yeah.
745
00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,000
I I was right until the credits rolled. I was thinking there's the kid It's going to wake up. And then when the credits did roll, I was like, "Wow,
746
00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000
all right."
747
00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000
Bold move.
748
00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,000
Bold move. Yeah. So to have all of that in it and then not have that, I guess a lot of audience would want it to be that way that or would want the kid to survive because it somehow a more satisfying ending. I was having visions of this being screamed to US test audiences and then going, "Oh, I'm not sure the kid should die at the end of it." But absolutely like it made loads about this film that I liked, but I just love that they had the balls to do that. And also like you are talking about a real thing that happened. So there's got to be some repercussions. You know, obviously the family has been the dad died and they've been separated and there's all those issues and the devastation to the surrounding area that the fish has caused, but there's got to be something else that happens. It can't just be, ah, we we poisoned the river, but don't worry, everyone's all right. Like that sort of would remove some of the messaging. Toothless.
749
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,000
It would be toothless. Yeah, definitely.
750
00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000
So, yeah, surprised, but yeah, I really liked it.
751
00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000
It was the right call.
752
00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,000
It was the right call and I just really enjoyed the the action of it as well, just the set pieces of it, like the throwing the Molotov cocktails, which we've been introduced to earlier and he was, like you say, he was it was uh foreshadowed with him drinking and then you see him again. He takes the the soldier bottles off the guy and the archer. We know
753
00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,000
bow.
754
00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000
Checkov's bow. We knew that she was going to come back and and come good at that point. But she works together with her brother and uses the molotov that he drops and like it's masterfully done.
755
00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,000
Yeah.
756
00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,000
And then also the main guy has the the the bit with the pole
757
00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,000
so he finishes it finishes it off. But
758
00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000
you can't have you can't defeat the monster without one of those. I love the fact they all had a part to play play and they all came together which I guess is another part of the family uh commentary there. which was really which was really satisfying as well.
759
00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000
And also like uh the the message overall to me is just like particularly lower classes like I've always been working class the the idea of community being where you thrive.
760
00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000
You can't do anything alone.
761
00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,000
Yeah.
762
00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,000
I don't know. I really liked it.
763
00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000
I I just really liked how it just really focused on that family. We didn't go to I guess a lot of these sort of monster movies you you I think a lot
764
00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,000
they paint in broader strokes and there's more like like a Godzilla for example or a King Kong. The devastation to the surrounding area is you know destruction p*** basically.
765
00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,000
Yeah. It's like a Zack Snider movie.
766
00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,000
Yeah.
767
00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,000
But it's it's um I think a lot of the monster movies as well will try to put in several characters that maybe maybe they try to represent a like whole of society somehow. Like I me just mentioned Zach So, I'm going to talk about Dawn of the Dead, but they're in which is a movie that I really like, by the way. Probably the only one. It's probably the only Zack Snider movie that I really like.
768
00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,000
Probably James Gunn's involvement then.
769
00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000
Yes. Mostly Gun. But, you know, they go into the shopping center and then you've got the the rich producer a******, you've got the cop, you've got the criminal, you've got the doctor, you've got the guy that's sort of just an everyman. There's like there's like one person that represents a whole group of people.
770
00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000
But I I
771
00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,000
there's a place for that.
772
00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,000
There's a place for that and I enjoy that. But just really likes how this just focused on the family because that's who these things affect. You know, if there's
773
00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000
there's some sort of environmental situation, an environmental disaster, the people with all the money, they're going to be off. You know, there's no real danger to them because, oh, when's that helicopter coming in? Great. I'm going to take my gold toilet seat with me on that helicopter. Whereas the people that don't have much, I've just got to deal with the situation.
774
00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,000
Yeah.
775
00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,000
So, it feels more real in that way and also more interesting. Like, I don't care about the rich people like they f*** them. They'll be all right.
776
00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,000
Oh my god. The I'm so glad you've said that because so much media I I didn't even start noticing this until about 10 years ago, but so much media is about rich people.
777
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,000
Or at least
778
00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,000
financially comfortable people.
779
00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000
You're talking about Entourage.
780
00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,000
No, I'm not.
781
00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000
Sick sick movie.
782
00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,000
I try not to talk about entourage.
783
00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,000
Sick. Jeremy Pivven. What a guy.
784
00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,000
He's a baddie.
785
00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000
I know he's an a******. I'm all baddies.
786
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000
Yeah, he's a wham. Oh, Jeremy Pivven's a banker, by the way. Oh, shock horror. Only plays wankers.
787
00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,000
Hey, sometimes sometimes people who play against type are the nicest, so you can't always count them out.
788
00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,000
True.
789
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But anyway, I I think like so much media is about rich people, wealthy people, often like obscenely wealthy as well, and it's just not interesting to me anymore.
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But all the media about poor people. I would say 85% of it is about how depressing it is to be poor and that's not fun either. I don't want to see that either. Whereas this, it's about a lowerass family. It's a family drama at the heart of it, but it's it's not about, oh, aren't we
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Aren't we like terribly off? Yeah.
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Aren't things awful?
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It's not I Daniel Blake for f***** sake.
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Well, Not we're not meant to watch it and go, "Oh, these poor people." Like, we're just I think we're just meant
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It's just about people who are working class.
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It's just about some regular folks that like we're that that most of us are,
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you know, 95% of us are.
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This is what I want more of.
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Yeah. Yeah. And it's it captures that spirit of of kind of real life in a way as as well because Yeah. life is not wholly depressing. Life is not wholly satisfying. It's somewhere in the middle where sometimes it's things are good, sometimes things are bad. Often tragedy and comedy are very similar. You know, there's that thing that that phrase where what is it? Uh comedy is tragedy plus time. I I mean I think comedy is
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not very much time has to pass for you to turn it into comedy
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about 0 seconds usually, but it's complicated and I like that he's able to capture that sort of thing in this. Like we said with the slapstick, you know that that funny s*** is going to happen whether your kids dead whether you're getting chased by a monster like it's it's sort of although it's about a giant fish monster, it feels very real.
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Yeah.
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Uh in terms of the characters and
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the interactions
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the interactions and what we're supposed to be feeling, I guess.
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And and Bong Jun Ho said in an interview that he he can't I'm paraphrasing here, but he can't make anything without dark humor.
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Yeah.
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Because apart from anything else, it sort of helps the emotional stuff resonate.
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Yeah. No, 100%. % agree.
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And the tension.
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Yeah.
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I can't wait for his next film,
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Alloy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, hopefully it's I mean, it's on letter boxed, as we said, wearing a Herzog is attached, so hopefully it comes out pretty soon.
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Gimmit, put it in my eyeballs now.
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Do you think that this movie would make a good double bill with Tremors? Not as much social commentary and tremors.
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I think I think The host first, Tremors second.
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Yeah, I agree. Well, Tremors is dessert, isn't it? That's the like Although the host is really fun. Tremors is just stupid.
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Yeah,
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but I love it.
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If you're making toast, the host is the home whole meal bread. Tremors is the white bread.
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Okay. Okay. Yeah. And in terms of I was thinking about comparisons and and the two that I came up with was Don't Look Up and uh and Trimmor.
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Oh, that's how we're pronouncing it.
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Tremors. Yeah.
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Okay. Fancy.
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We've got to do more Trimmor movies. Oh, I do. You know what? It's going to come clean. It's not in this lineup, but I did almost put Tremors 2 in this lineup.
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Did you?
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Yeah, cuz we haven't done a sequel to a movie that we've covered before.
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That's true. And you just want an excuse to say ass blasters.
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Like I need an excuse to say ass blasters. I say that whenever I order a slushie, two ass blasters, please.
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And they look at you with disgust and confusion.
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Yeah. Um, yeah. But no, really good movie. I'm really glad that the remake didn't happen. I'm really glad that the sequel didn't happen.
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I've got a hot take.
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I think this is as good as Parasite.
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Yeah. Okay.
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I might be alone there cuz obviously Parasite was like universally loved, Oscar winning.
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Yeah.
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I think The Host is as good as
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I'm not going to argue with you.
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Good.
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I I I really like the host. I'd have to watch Parasite again. I really like that
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two thumbs up for host.
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Yeah. Great.
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The host.
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The host. I I'm I was pretty confident I was going to like it on a basis that I I like his his other movies that I've seen. Yeah. Um and I'm glad that I put it on cuz it is it is one that I would have liked to have gotten around to at some point.
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And we got it off the to watch pile.
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It was a pile movie. Yeah. I didn't even know that when I programmed it. I didn't know it was a pile movie. No.
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I thought maybe that's why you'd done it.
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No. No. I'm just I'm glad that it was a pile movie and we've done it and it was very good and I'm glad we did it and I've said that three times I think now. Should I say it again?
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No, I think that's enough.
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Glad we did it. Glad we did it. Glad we did it. Bear get up bear. Get up.
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I think that will suffice.
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Yeah.
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I I also think that next week's show is going to go very differently to this week.
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I I reckon
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I have an inkling.
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There's I wonder how much social commentary and satire I mean I hope it's satire. I don't know.
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I'm going to say zero social commentary. That's my guess.
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You're going to hate me, aren't you?
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What are we doing, Dan?
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The reason that this season exists is because of this, maybe because I wanted to cover this. We're doing tiptoes. You're welcome.
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Hello and welcome to Shoot the Hostage with me, Dan, and my partner, Sarah. We're a movie podcast and we cover eight films per season based on a specific theme. It is worth noting that we do occasionally swear, open brackets, very often swear, close brackets. We also occasionally cover triggering topics, so we would always advise using listener discretion and probably don't listen around your kids. If you like what we do and want to support us, please consider hitting five stars on Spotify or maybe subscribing or even reviewing on your platform of choice. Uh we also have a Patreon with a free tier for lineups and updates and two paid tiers with extra content and early adree episodes. Right, that's enough from me. On with the show. We back, Sarah. We back for another episode in the size doesn't matter season.
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It does kind of matter though.
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It doesn't matter Sarah. You can't say that to me.
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It matters a bit.
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Size doesn't matter.
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Last time, Sarah, we dipped our toe into the MCU with Ant Guy. This week, we're hitting the bong and t a giant mutated fish thing with the host.
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We're hitting a bong.
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We're hitting a bong bong.
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Did you do that without me?
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I don't know what you're talking about.
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I don't know what bong is.
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We're hitting the Bong Junho.
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We're hitting the Bong Jun Ho for the very first time,
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but probably not the last.
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Definitely not the last.
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Oh, definitely. He says,
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"Yeah, he makes good movie."
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Hell yeah.
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See last time how we started with a film about small things.
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Mhm.
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This time we're in a film about a big thing.
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I mean, it's all about context, though, isn't it? It's all relative.
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Well, the fish thing is not big compared to the sun.
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Well, exactly. If you're the sun, then that's two movies about a little thing.
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Do you think the sun is conscious? Some people think.
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And I think it listens to this podcast. Yeah.
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Do you?
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I do.
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I hope so. Do you think the son is subscribed to our Patreon?
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I do. Specifically, I'm thinking of um the son from Teletubbies,
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the baby.
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The answer from or one with a face.
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No, I don't want a baby on Patreon.
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Well, it's not a baby anymore. It grew up, didn't it?
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Suppose it's not.
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It's an adult son now.
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That baby is probably 35 years old.
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Yeah. Don't.
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But I thought it was quite clever, Sarah, to start with a small thing, then go into a big thing. And I think there's lots of lots of things in this season that I think you'll agree is quite clever and smart, including the movie choices.
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Yeah, definitely next week.
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Especially next week's Stay tuned till the end. Uh Sarah Sarah, this is our second Scott Wilson movie.
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Is it?
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Yeah.
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Oh, yes. Yes, it is. I chose the other one.
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You did? What was it?
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Uh Monster.
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Monster doesn't end up in a very good place at the end of that movie.
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He does not. No, he he's gone from being in a film called Monster to being in a film about a monster.
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I thought you was going to say in a film where he is the monster cuz he's the catalyst for this this character. in in the host in the opening scene.
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He's not a great dude.
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Not a great dude. We'll return to that.
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Bit environmentally iffy.
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Yes,
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You could say that and you would be right. Now, Sarah, this is our third South Korean movie.
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Yep. Okay. You're going to ask me to name the other two.
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I know one of them is I Saw the Devil.
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Um, again, my choice.
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Amazing movie.
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Very happy that I introduced you to that and that you loved it. That's
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pretty rare. Um, God, what's the other one? Um, oh, give me a clue.
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That's not the clue.
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Countdown.
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Yeah. Uh, give you a clue. Um, how can I give you a clue without it being obvious? If I was running and you were coming after me, what would that be called?
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Oh, The Chaser.
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You did? Yeah.
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But it's the first Korean movie I've chosen.
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So, Why is it in this lineup? Um, it's because I think I might have said this last week, but the there was a couple of versions of the the lineup, and it took me ages to refine it. And the first list was mostly garbage movies.
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The second list was some garbage movies, and the third list was actually mostly all right movies and one garbage movie
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with a well, I'd say one or two potentially.
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two of the garbage potentially garbage movies we haven't seen yet. One of them I'm pretty confident is going to be garbage regardless.
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Is it Garbage Pale Kids?
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It's not Garbage Pale Kids. That's one of your lineups coming up, I'm sure.
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Yeah. So, I wanted to have some good stuff in there. This is one that I think I I might have mentioned this at the end of last week's episode, but I think that I tried to watch this once before. but um didn't get very far with it,
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which is crazy. But you said maybe you just weren't in the mood rather than it being off-putting or bad.
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Yeah, I do that all the time. Even with movies I love, I'll put them on and then a minute will go by and I'm already doing something else and I can't be bothered to watch it anymore. Or I'll put a movie on. I'll look at my telephone and start doing something, look up, and 45 minutes have gone and I've got no clue what's going on.
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You're a diverent.
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It's exhausting.
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It's fun. Do you regret noping out of it?
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What do you What does that mean?
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Um, it means what?
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Nope. You noped out of the film the first time.
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Which film? Oh,
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The Host. Just proving your point.
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I'm already somewhere else.
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Do I regret noping out of it? No. No, I don't because I've watched it now.
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Yeah. Did you enjoy it?
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I did. I loved it. I thought it was a great movie.
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Did you like movies? Yes.
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I have not only seen this before, I've covered it before.
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Oh, you have?
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Yes.
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Corporress.
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Um, the first iteration of the Gore Press podcast. God, this is getting into my law here. Um, what was it called? Oh, the Gorress Gorecast.
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There is another podcast called the Gorecast. Now, I have no affiliation with that one. Know nothing about it.
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Royalties, I assume.
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Oh, I wish. Um, no, it was the the first I ever did with um Jamie from Final Transmission
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and we covered the host and I can't remember what theme we shoehorned it into, but that was the first time I watched it. Maybe 12 years ago I want to say.
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I didn't remember a huge amount about it.
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Was that the last time you saw it?
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That was the last Yeah. The the first and only time I'd seen it before this week.
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So it was it was like uh like a first time watch for you then if you didn't did you remember anything at all?
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I did. Yeah. The first half of it was very familiar.
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Um second half I some of it started coming back to me but was less familiar for some reason.
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But yeah, great movie.
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It's a great movie and I I had no idea when I was programming this that it was based on an actual thing like a real event. There's no giant fish monsters in real life to the best of my knowledge.
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Sadly.
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Sadly. Um but the incident that takes place in the very first scene of the film is pretty accurate to what happened apparently um where a US army American soldier doctor man
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not all Americans but it's always an American digest I just we have a lot of American listeners and we love you all.
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Yep.
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Apart from the guy that Scott Wilson's playing.
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That guy can suck a dick.
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If he's listening, I believe his surname is McFarland. Uh I don't know. Maybe it's Seph. I don't know.
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It seems like something he would do. Yeah. Uh, but if you Mr. Mcfarland, if you're listening, f*** you. Pouring formaldahhide into the Han River in in South Korea.
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Indeed. Yeah.
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Yeah. Absolute f*** quit. But, uh, that actually happened and I had no clue that that was the case. So, when I started doing my research and I found that out, I I I think it was about midnight half. I I saw a video on YouTube and I promptly messaged it to you, I think, on WhatsApp. um was conscious that I might be waking you up, but it was too important to to not do because I would have just forgotten.
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Um
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so we we're covering two. This is the second Scott Wilson movie we're covering and technically they're both true crime.
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Yeah, that's right. He only does true crime movies.
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The Walking Dead.
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Hershel.
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Hop along Hershel. Spoilers.
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Hop along Hershel. Yeah. Spoilers for that show that came out 15 years ago. 20.
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Don't stop it. Um the budget for this was 11 million US.
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Uh and it grossed $89 million worldwide. So very successful.
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He's um, he's cropped up in some really really good stuff. Like obviously you said frequent collaborator. He was also in Parasite. Um, he was also in Snowpiercer. And the girl that plays his daughter in this also played his daughter in Snowpiercer.
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But, uh, I think that may have been the first one that I saw. When was that? 2018 that came out. I'd seen it. I think I watched it when it came out on Netflix and really liked it. And then when we covered it, I believe was my second time watching and I thought it was great. I really, really liked it. So, at that point, I was sort of locked into Bong.
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I was enjoying it, but there were so many moving parts. I was like, I don't know how this is going to come off um to a satisfying ending.
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Um, tell a lie, Snow Piercer. That would have been the first one I saw. But at that point, I didn't know who Bong Junho was. I think I just heard that this film's really good, and I probably read some kind of synopsis and went, "Oh, they eat a baby. Yeah, I'll I'll eat that. I'll watch that." Um,
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I know you know who he is. I just thought I'd give them a little shout out.
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He's got one in development at the moment called Ally.
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Going to read you the synopsis here.
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A squid dreams of becoming the star of a wildlife documentary.
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Oh, but when an aircraft sinks into the ocean, probably an American. Her peaceful world is not all Americans as you said, but when an when an aircraft sinks into the ocean, her peaceful world is suddenly thrown into danger. So sounds like a bit of bong. Voice featuring a voice by WA Herzog.
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Oh my god, that if if nobody makes a documentary about the making of this film, then they're missing a trick because I want to see that, too.
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Yeah. So, yeah. Um filmmaker I've really come to appreciate over the last I guess it's been over a decade at this point. I still feel like I've just come to the party with him, but I've I've been watching his films for years, I guess. But there's definitely some older ones that I need to catch up on. dare I say will probably end up on the lineup at some point. I
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It's one of those journey movies I think as well. It's like one like sort of unpredictable. It's a bit like I I found Love Exposure to be a bit like that. Although that one is 3 days long. It's a real journey. I sort of feel like a different person when it's when it's ended like wow you know such a thing. You haven't seen Love Exposure yet, have you?
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Okay. I I sort of feel that way about all of Bongji and Ho's films though. I find them quite uniformly that's not the right word in this context. Quite consistently unpredictable.
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Can't really be uniformly unpredictable, can you? Um, obviously more consistently. Yeah,
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I totally agree with you. And that's one of the things that I really like about it.
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That's part of the joy. Yeah.
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Yeah. There's a bunch of stuff that happens in this movie that I'm I think a couple of times I was like, "This is an American film. This would never happen."
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And that just makes that unpredictability um obvious like a most most films I would I would say that we could probably guess what's going to happen. most films that we 90% of films within the first act we could probably say this is going to happen that's going to happen just because we've seen at least 10 movies
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they're not well the ones that are exported to us anyway, I'm sure there are a lot we don't get to see that are probably garbage.
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I've seen a couple of s***** movies.
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We have seen some s*** ones, haven't we? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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Project Wolf Hunting was Pony.
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Zombies on a boat. Yeah.
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Um, yes. So, how many tones and themes did you count in this movie, Sarah?
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Um, well, it's to me it's sort of like Bongju Ho kind of goes, "Right, I want to cover social politics and the class divide and corruption in power and the police state and political martyrdom and bureaucratic incompetence and then he just like picks a genre and shovels it all into that."
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Um, and this is no exception because this is fit. squarely into the monster movie category, but it's so much more than that.
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And like you say, he kind of runs the risk of it being too much, but he juggles all of those things so well that it somehow comes together.
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Yeah. I don't know how you I don't know how you do that. It's sort of watching it and seeing all of these things happen on screen the other day, I was just really s I don't know why I was surprised, but just all of the different elements, the lots of things. I like the satire I heard a
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you were probably surprised because of how it was sold because the marketing I don't think is brilliant.
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I haven't seen any marketing for it.
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Well, you've seen the Blu-ray cover which is just like Jaws meets Jurassic Park and it's not. It's absolutely neither of those things.
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I did I you're right. I did read that the other day but I think I forgot it immediately assuming that that was completely incorrect. But yeah, the satire, how dark it is, the slapstick, the themes of the you know, intercountry relations, the dysfunctional families, survival, there's all of this stuff going on, all of this mish mash, and it it just somehow works. I don't know how you get something to at one minute it's you're sort of laughing at the main character cuz he's a bit of an idiot and he's falling asleep, but then the very next scene he's
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being really brave and heroic and I didn't expect that. I expected him to just be a doofus throughout and he kind of is,
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but He also is really capable and I thought that was very interesting.
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Well, interestingly, um, Bongju Ho sort of states that the procedure he underos where they drill into his head, he has sort of I was going to say minor brain surgery, but I guess all brain surgery is probably considered major. Right. So, at that point, he's he's fundamentally changed.
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Oh, right. I did wonder that at the time. Are we kind of is this kind of a labbotomy? situation.
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Well, it sort of seems to change him for the better,
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right?
363
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It made him smarter.
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Yeah.
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Somehow
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forgot the passcode to all his bank cards and his phone and stuff.
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I feel like when we've talked, we've just listed like a bunch of themes. We've barely sort of touched the service on like the environmental stuff, which is, as you said, with Oakja and sounds like his upcoming film.
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Yeah. clearly something quite close to his heart. I mean, I don't know if he perhaps heard that true story of the guy dumping the faldahhide and was just like, what if monster and then kind of conjured the story around it,
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but it's obviously a subject he cares a lot about. And I kind of wish more filmmakers did. I don't know. In addition to that, he he sort of seems to have like like there's almost like this punk undercurrent that runs through his films cuz obviously the there's the the the protests and the activists and stuff in this film. And there's talk of the brother being a former activist. Um, and he even goes to sort of see some of his old buddies from that time in the film.
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Knows how to make a uh a bomb with a a bottle of alcohol. What's that called?
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Molotov cocktail.
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Molotovs. That's it.
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Soju.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, have you drunk soju?
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I have.
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It's not very nice.
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I quite like it. God,
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but I'm sure it burns well.
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I think my chest hair has fell off. Not for me.
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I'm a I'm a fan. Yeah.
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But yeah, I think I think sort of the the class divide stuff, the social commentary, there's something very punk about his film making. Even though it's like technically excellent, it's not chaotic in the same way that you would expect when you hear the word punk or anarchic, but there's just this I don't know. Maybe it's maybe it's sort of jumping off from like the unpredictability of it all.
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I did I guess I did find this film to be a bit anarchctic. Like a it's there's so much doesn't take long for it to get going. Immediately you're seeing the monster. Immediately you're seeing the carnage, all of this stuff going on. It's there's a lot and there's also a lot of plates being spun that eventually the characters separate and come back together. And it was at that point when they separated and we're following different people that I was sort of scratching my head going, I don't know how like I'm quite confused at the moment. I don't know where people are, but I don't know if that was by design or whatever, but by the time it got to the end and they all came together, it really sort of all sewed up nicely for me. But yeah, punk is probably a good anarchic is probably a good good word. I guess that's probably part of the reason why a lot of people were queuing up to work with the guy,
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I guess. So, yeah,
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he gets to make decent budget movies. Mickey 17 wasn't very cheap, although it did take about eight years to get released, didn't it?
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True. Yeah. But to me, that's sort of I don't know. That's more surprising that so many people want to work with him and fund his movies.
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Do you think so?
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I do because when I when I say punk, I mean in sensibility as well. Like this film particularly is quite um anti-state in a lot of ways. Like it's quite anti- police. It's quite anti-government.
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I think it's Do you think so?
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I do.
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Okay.
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It's like
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it's anti- US. the little guy at that time is because of that incident.
395
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Yeah, that's understandable.
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Yeah,
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but it doesn't exactly paint the the powers that be in a very good light either. Like there's the police seem incompetent
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and they're throwing their weight around not like not listening to the characters at the beginning when he's sort of in that hospital behind a curtain and he's insisting that his daughter's in a sewer and they're just like, "Oh, shut up."
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Yeah, that's right. And he's saying, "Look, can you trace the call?" And someone says, "No, that's really hard." And he goes to someone else and he says, "No, that's really easy, actually. Why didn't you come to me before?" And
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well, doesn't he say like, "We're just not going to waste the resources."
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Yeah. And then they're in that that that like quarantine area and the the the quarantine guy in yellow hazmat suit. He comes in very stern looking like, "Oh, this is a man of authority." And then falls over.
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I love that. Like the the slapstick element, the prat falls like
403
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Yeah.
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It's so Oh, it fits so well, but it absolutely shouldn't.
405
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Yeah. No, you're right, actually. Yeah. The the the figures of authority in this film are a bit of a joke.
406
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Yeah. But also portrayed in quite um a sinister way, like the whole um Agent Yellow thing at the end where they're just sort of vast disregard for all of the people in the area.
407
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Yeah. And not like it's not like it's a person that's that's do it's just this floating yellow machine box that's spewing out this poison
408
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which was apparently designed to kind of resemble the monster or the monster's head.
409
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Oh, right. Okay.
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Which I thought was a neat little touch.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, I don't know. Something something about that really warms me to Bong Junho even more.
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Seems like a good dude.
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I just like the I like the themes that he
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he tackles.
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It's interesting.
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Yeah, it's a bit of like it's just my flavor, I think. Like the satire and the the the the comedy, the all of that stuff is it just quite just fits my sensibilities. I like to point fingers at the authorities and go you you lot of f*** wits. I do that too, but not as not as as skilled as Bong Junho. I will probably just say f*** you lot to the to on the podcast and he'll make a really great film that says the same thing but in a much better way. What did you say?
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Aab.
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Aab. What does that mean?
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All cop is a bastard. Uh, is that a punk thing?
421
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Yeah,
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I've never been a punk, so I don't know much about punks.
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You do surprise me.
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I I I guess everything I know about punks comes from Adrian Broady and Summer of Sam.
425
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Oh, good lord.
426
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Yeah.
427
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And his weird anglicized accent.
428
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Yeah. Yeah.
429
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Also, you've seen Green Room as well.
430
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Oh, yeah. And Green Room. I've seen that, too.
431
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It's a fairly limited pool to draw from, but still.
432
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And there's that other one, Slook Punk. Oh yeah, I made you watch SLC punk.
433
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Yeah. Is that Has that got punks in it?
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Yeah.
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Okay. Punky Brewster. Remember that?
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You're stretching that the definition now.
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I remember when I was a kid, I used to I I love Punky Brewster. I don't know why as a kid, I guess, but I started putting a little bandana around my leg and my parents go, "Did you do that cuz Punky Booster?" And I'm like, "No,
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no,
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no." And I didn't do it again cuz I got cocked. She just done it. It felt good. She just stayed with it.
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Instead, I let the shame wash over me and I crumbled. f*** you, parents.
441
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Except if you're listening to his mom. I don't mean it.
442
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You don't mean it.
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No, I know I don't mean it.
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But yeah, when in our late teens, I think you were probably off at raves going on holiday to ather and I was trying to make my hair as tall and pointy as possible.
445
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Yeah. You've shown me a picture actually, haven't you, with your your pointy hair?
446
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Yeah.
447
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Yeah. Yeah. Maybe uh maybe we should do punks. Maybe we should do a punk season.
448
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Maybe.
449
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But there's three movies. We can watch them twice.
450
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There's more than that. There are three decline of Western Civilization movies to start with.
451
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Is that a punk thing?
452
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Um they're documentaries. Yeah.
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What was that other thing? The really dark one where the guy has got he's got pointy hair and he's something in a car. Someone gets hit by a car. Oh, Bomb City. Such a good film that's kind of disappeared.
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You can't There's no physical media of it.
455
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Great film.
456
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Yeah, there's that one. I remembered that one almost.
457
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Yeah, I cried.
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I want to come back to Son Kangho.
459
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Is that the main guy again?
460
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It is.
461
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Right.
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Because we've already mentioned the fact that he's probably one of the most recognizable Korean actors to in the West. But I also think with good reason, I think he's one of the best. And I think he's got very good range from what I've seen.
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Like he he does often seem to play like this bumbling guy,
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but he can do the total flip side of that very easily as well.
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I think he's great based on what I've seen. Um, but I just love all the little touches in this movie. Like
466
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just his his like micro expressions and down to the fact that his hair looks like ab I mean this is the worst haircut in film since Evangelene Lily from last week. show and that f*** ass Bob. But apparently they made the decision that the the yellow blonde was intentionally sort of grown out to show that he was a bit useless and lazy,
467
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right?
468
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So they even thought about all of that stuff and what that said about the character.
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And I kind of love that.
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I loved his little coin collection just always checking that he's got coins in his little bowl and then eventually when they gave him away he's like, "No, not my coins." Put about four quid in there. just the little touches that he was basically borderline narcoleptic.
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Yeah,
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he was just like always falling asleep.
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Yeah, that was that was funny because the kid goes missing and he's sleeping and they're going, "Yeah, how can you sleep at a time like this?" But I sort of relate to that. Like when if I'm really depressed, all I want to do is sleep. I mean, I haven't got a giant fish monster coming after me, so it's not really a fair comparison.
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That would make things a little bit more tense. Yeah, I imagine.
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But my my body just sort of goes into shutdown when there something like that happens. When I lose a kid,
476
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which happens often. He just can't be trusted.
477
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Yeah.
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But no, he was very good. I liked that character. He was fun to follow. I don't remember him at all from the movies that we've we've mentioned already.
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Okay.
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But, you know,
481
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not even first. We didn't watch it that long ago.
482
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He's a priest.
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He starts off as a priest. Yeah. But then becomes like it's not a spoiler to say that that's a vampire film. I
484
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I don't really remember the movie very much. I remember that there's a priest and it's vampires and that's pretty much all I remember. And it's alarming because I probably only watched it about a year ago.
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Not even.
486
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Okay. Don't remember.
487
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That's great.
488
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Don't remember him in Snow Pierce. I don't remember him in Parasite. Like I'm sure
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the interview
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or the interview. Yeah. But uh but yeah, I did I loved him in this. I thought he was great. It was so much fun to follow his character. He just like I said, he was funny but kind of capable as well. So I was quite surprised when he's I maybe capable as being a bit
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determined. I would say They over capable.
492
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Yes. Like he has the moment at the start of the movie when the monster first appears and he throws the beer into the water and then the monster starts going after people and killing people and then he's pretty quickly goes into action and is chasing the monster around and throwing things at it and trying to hit it with the the lollipop stick thing and
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Yeah. And and they make a point on the on the news broadcast to to kind of mention the the brave American soldier who was injured and he gets none of the credit but he was like in the in the fray as well.
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I didn't think of it actually. Did Did Wasn't he the one that first started running towards the lockup where the all the kids are trapped? Like he ran there over there and then the American followed it.
495
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Um I don't remember the specifics if I'm being honest but potentially. But yeah, he was just just like erased. Yeah,
496
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because he's lowerass disposable.
497
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Yeah,
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I don't know. I just I think that's great. I think it was done so well.
499
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Just just a fun character to kind of follow. and yeah, he's a bit of an idiot at the start of the movie, but actually quite relatable in a lot of ways. Uh, and just surprising that he does as much as he does really. I guess I was sort of expecting the other members of the family to step up a bit more like the archer or maybe the
500
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Well, she tried.
501
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Yeah. And she had a she had her moment, but uh yeah, no, good character. I enjoyed I enjoyed him very much.
502
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And what about the dynamics within the family? fun,
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believable,
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believable, fun. Um, kind of kind of realistic, I guess. Like, yeah, you've got the dad who perhaps used to have some alcohol issues or something like that is alluded to where he perhaps wasn't as present as he should have been and might go some way to explaining why the kids have turned out the way that they have. Um, the brother who kind of is a non entity until he arrives and and then um five drinking soju.
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Does he?
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I believe so. Kind of foreshadowing his Molotov cocktail moment, I suppose.
507
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Yeah. And the introduction to the sister where uh we see her on TV and they're all rooting for her with the archery and she doesn't doesn't quite make she hesitates. She doesn't quite make her shot in time. It's the one point where you go, well, I I reckon in the third act, she's not really going to hesitate quite as much. And that's that's what happens. But I guess that's just, you know,
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one of the few predictable moments. Maybe there are some things that you have to do. I guess there are other things that happen in the end of it that I probably wasn't expecting. So maybe some of it where I was expecting it is more comforting.
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I think the family dynamics lead to some of the best moments though or some of my favorite moments because I think there's there's maybe nobody like Bong Junho who can balance the slapstick with the sentimentality.
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Yeah.
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Because there's two moments that I can think of specifically and the first one is where they think um Hyan Su is dead because she's been taken by the monster. And they're at that sort of I don't know, they're in a big room which I guess is some sort of group vigil.
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Oh yeah.
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Or wherever like they've been caught by the authorities and they're sort of the family's just got together and they're looking at a picture of her and just the exaggerated whailing that's going on and the writhing around on the floor is so funny.
514
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Yeah.
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And and it should be devastating
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and it kind of is. cuz this guy thinks his daughter's dead. Well, like we as the audience do at that point as well, but whatever's going on on screen is so funny.
517
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I'll be honest, I sort of forgot that the kid was was captured at that point and I was just laughing at them rolling around on the floor. I thought it was really funny.
518
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Yeah. And in a couple of moments, apparently the actor that played um I think it's Nam, the brother, when he goes to kick him, that was completely improvised. That wasn't scripted. So, I get the impression they did sort of maybe form quite familiar dynamic on set.
519
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It It feels that way.
520
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It translated that way anyway. Definitely.
521
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Yeah. Yeah. And I really like, you know, they leave there and they come up with a plan to escape and get some hazmat suits to to wear in disguise that are the wrong color.
522
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Uh they get a like a waste disposal van to to sort of go undercover to to get to this quarantine area.
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And the dad has like had to give away his wallet with all of his PIN numbers. And the guys So all your pin numbers, all your cards is 1 2 3 4.
524
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Yeah. Even that seems so funny.
525
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Yeah. And all the stuff in the van, you know, that's when he gives his coins away, I think, actually to the to the to the to the border guys.
526
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Yeah. I And I was I guess another point that I was surprised at is that the dad dies quite early on.
527
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That's my other favorite moment. That's probably like maybe the halfway point or just before the halfway mark.
528
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About the halfway mark. Yeah.
529
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Yeah. That's probably my other favorite moment, like I say, because just the balance of The hilarity with the devastation is done tonally perfectly.
530
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Doesn't it like catch it with the tail and just sort of bash him on the floor?
531
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Well, yeah, because obviously um I've forgotten his name again. So, the guy whose song Kang Ho plays gives him the gun and he's like, "There's one shot left." So, the dad's like, "I'll get him. I'll get him." And he clicks it. Just the
532
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I don't know. It's It's part partly the way it's filmed and partly the way it's edited, but you just hear that click of the empty barrel and the look as he turns around and it just kind of cuts to him counting on his fingers with the realization. So well done.
533
00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,000
Very good. Yeah,
534
00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,000
but it's devastating. It's emotionally devastating.
535
00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,000
Yeah, it's a re It's such a balancing act. It blows my mind really. There's also that scene where they're they're uh they're in that little that little cabin and they're eating their noodles and the kid appears behind them and I I think I said to you at the time like the kid's not there is it cuz they start feeding the kid and it's I guess they're imagining
536
00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,000
that they're all together.
537
00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,000
Yeah. I I read an interview with Bongju Junho and he kind of um stated that he wanted the family to have one last moment together. So that sort of ghostly apparition was his way of fulfilling that.
538
00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,000
Right. Okay. And I suppose at that point we don't know that the kid doesn't make it.
539
00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,000
Yeah.
540
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At the end.
541
00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000
No, that was a nice moment.
542
00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,000
But interesting visually as well cuz it's unexpected.
543
00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,000
Yeah. I was like, "Oh, they found her." That was a short movie. Have an egg.
544
00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,000
Can I offer you an egg in this trying time?
545
00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,000
What do we think about the um the monster? What do we think about the CGI in this?
546
00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,000
I mean,
547
00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,000
can you forgive it?
548
00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,000
Yeah. Oh, definitely. I can overlook it.
549
00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000
It's not.
550
00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,000
And I've seen much worse.
551
00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,000
Yeah.
552
00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,000
It's Not like Alien 3, for example.
553
00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,000
No, this came out in 2006, so it's it's 20 years old, so you've got to take that into account. But there's also an element of just if it's a really good movie, it does help it.
554
00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,000
I can sort of forgive it a little bit.
555
00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,000
Yeah.
556
00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,000
And and also like you can see how much work went into it. It's not like it's they've just farted out a generic design and gone, "Oh, it's it's a generic blob thing that's just running around. actually we need more of them so we're going to copy and cut and paste that into you know it's not that situation.
557
00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,000
No, they really thought about it because obviously it's a mutated fish.
558
00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,000
So even
559
00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,000
allegedly
560
00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,000
allegedly so even like the first moments where it's on land it's clumsier and over the film kind of finds its footing.
561
00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,000
Um there was it was a combination of an animatronic and obviously quite a lot of CGI. It was designed by Wetter Workshop
562
00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,000
and I believe uh brought to life by Orphanage Inc. who did the um VFX.
563
00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,000
I've always said that we should get Orphan's work.
564
00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000
Send them don't mind.
565
00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,000
Really glad that that they started doing that.
566
00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,000
Yeah. Yeah. Poms work. Yeah. And um apparently the crew would throw in big metal barrels into the water um so that they could overlay the creature jumping in
567
00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,000
and have it mimic that splash.
568
00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,000
Yeah. So there's a lot of thought gone into it.
569
00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,000
Yeah, definitely. want to get the physics right. They they had looked at actual animals and how fish move and certain creatures move and how they look if they're on fire, for example.
570
00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,000
Yeah.
571
00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000
And and you can see that you can you can tell that as well. And it's a unique looking thing. It's it's a weird
572
00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000
it looks like a fish has gone through the Brundlefly sort of
573
00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,000
uh merged with Jeff Goldblin or something like the crew would suspend bits of styrofoam around the the actors. So, They had something to look at as well. Reference point as well.
574
00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,000
Just a tennis ball on a stick.
575
00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000
Yeah, it was Andy Circus and a tennis ball.
576
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But I did. Yeah. I mean, I saw the CGI when it first appeared was like, "Oh, I'm not sure about this." But I I sort of I got used to it very quickly
577
00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,000
and I was really watching it cuz it's that's the other thing as well is that it's not shy like it shows you the monster very early and it's huge part of this movie.
578
00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000
Yeah.
579
00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,000
And it's that's ballsy to do that.
580
00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,000
Yeah. But again, that was intentional on the part of Bong Jun Ho because he said so many films of that ilk are shy with the monsters and they don't show them very much and he said he just wanted to get it out of the way over and done with and have it be like ever present throughout the film.
581
00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,000
There's a place for not seeing the monster quite
582
00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,000
I agree. Especially when it's supposed to be scary.
583
00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,000
Yeah. Like if you're talking alien or Jaws or something like that, it definitely adds to the tension if you can't see it but you know that it's there somewhere. Whereas this is not that sort of movie, is it? It's It's not a subtle movie. So why are we We're not going to make any of this subtle. We're going to just show you the monster straight away. But I remember I remember seeing it and and and trying to keep an eye on the water and stuff when it jumps into the water and look at the you know, oh is some of this water splashes, some of that CGI, but I guess what you were saying about the barrels to throw the barrels in that they literally just removed the barrel and inserted the CGI blobfish.
584
00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,000
Sounds like Yeah.
585
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Yeah. Yeah. No, you know, while I was watching it, I thought and it first came on, I thought, yes, it doesn't look amazing, but I very quickly got used to it. Yeah.
586
00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000
Very quickly acclimatized to it and and it also is is perhaps part of the charm as well,
587
00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,000
I think. So, yeah, if you can accept it, it can definitely become part of the charm. But I think it's important to remember, you said the budget was what, 11 million?
588
00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,000
Yeah.
589
00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,000
US.
590
00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000
11 million. Yeah.
591
00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,000
Which is not a huge budget for a for a monster movie like this.
592
00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,000
Monster movie that's all CG. And
593
00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000
there's a lot of CGI in this.
594
00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000
Yeah.
595
00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,000
Yeah. Um, so I think what they achieved with that budget is actually really really admirable and I've seen worse in much larger budgets.
596
00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,000
Yeah.
597
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So yes, I can absolutely forgive it.
598
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Yeah. I mean, we see worse now still looking at you, Marvel.
599
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Yeah.
600
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Yeah. And it's like there's it's the thought that's gone into it, but also as I've already mentioned, the fact that it's just a really good movie does make a big difference.
601
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000
I mean, hell, we watched Anaconda last night. the the new one with Jack Black and Paul Rod and it was it was just as bad in that.
602
00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,000
Yeah. Yeah. And that that movie is not as good.
603
00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,000
Um No, not quite.
604
00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,000
It's not very good.
605
00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000
Sony should just sell up at this point.
606
00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000
I Sony might be the worst studio.
607
00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,000
I think so. Yeah.
608
00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,000
Or no, it's Paramount, isn't it?
609
00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,000
But I think I think Paramount might be my least favorite studio, but I think Sony makes on the whole worst movies.
610
00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,000
Death Match. That's how we'll decide.
611
00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,000
Yeah. Yeah.
612
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Did you know that the um the onset nickname for the creature was Steve Basemi?
613
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Was he?
614
00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,000
Which feels a little bit cruel.
615
00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,000
Why?
616
00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,000
Well, Bong Jun Ho said that it was based on Steve Basemi's um performance in Fargo for some reason, but that's as far as he got.
617
00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,000
The performance of the fish monster was based on a performance of Steve Bashi.
618
00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,000
No, the nickname nickname Steve Bashmi was based on Steve Bashmi
619
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from Fargo specifically.
620
00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,000
Okay.
621
00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,000
But I don't know why he didn't expand on it.
622
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No.
623
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Uh yeah. No, I couldn't. I don't remember. Have I seen Fargo? I don't know if I have. Maybe
624
00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000
really.
625
00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000
I might have seen it when it came out.
626
00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,000
I know you're not a big Cohen's guy, but it's one of their best.
627
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Not really.
628
00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000
No. Fair enough. Um did you also know that in 2015 because the film had been so so popular done so well financially for South Korea, they um erected a statue of the monster on the banks of the Hound River.
629
00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,000
Oh, really?
630
00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000
Yeah.
631
00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000
Oh, no.
632
00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000
I don't know if it's still there.
633
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Yeah.
634
00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,000
Um but there were some complaints. I read about that.
635
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Really?
636
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Yeah.
637
00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,000
Or like people phon the police and said it's back.
638
00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,000
Some people just thought it was ugly.
639
00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,000
It was too realistic, too scary. They didn't like it,
640
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which is fair.
641
00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,000
Yeah.
642
00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,000
Um there's also a big gold statue of the the hand from the horse riding move from Gangnam style.
643
00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,000
Gangnam. I forgot about the other popular export from Korea is is Sai.
644
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Yeah.
645
00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000
Whoop. No. No.
646
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It was Yeah, it was supremely successful this movie. It's 2006 from what I heard. There was planned for a sequel the following year
647
00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,000
without Bong Junho.
648
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,000
Oh, no. I didn't know that.
649
00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,000
Yeah, it wasn't attached, but it didn't it never happened. So, I don't know. I don't know why it didn't happen. Maybe someone said, "Please don't do that because it was it made a lot of money." So,
650
00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,000
well, yeah, from a financial standpoint, it makes sense that there would be a sequel.
651
00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,000
Yeah.
652
00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,000
But I'm glad it didn't happen.
653
00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000
No, it definitely doesn't need one.
654
00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000
No,
655
00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,000
definitely doesn't. Although, I did have a question though about obviously the formaldahhide poisons the Ham River, but only there's there's only one fish
656
00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,000
that we know of.
657
00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000
That we know of. I I was expecting the whole way through the movie for like more to come and then or even like a stinger at the end when they we'll talk about the climax, but when they they kill the the creature, I was expecting there to be a final like there's an egg or something or or you know something like Godzilla or something.
658
00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000
Yeah. Did you know that um in addition to the proposed sequel, there was also so supposed to be um well, there was talk of a US remake in 2008, but that was also shelved.
659
00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000
Right. Good.
660
00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,000
Thankfully,
661
00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000
I don't think it it should happen. No,
662
00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,000
it's not going to happen now.
663
00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,000
It's not necessary. And like some of the dialogue in it is even in English already.
664
00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,000
Yeah. Not unless you're going to get Scott Wilson back.
665
00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,000
Then um No, no, not necessary. It's going to be a vastly inferior version. I don't like to judge before they come out, but they No, they're not going to do any of that stuff. It's going to be played safe. It's going to be And like where's his social commentary? Because it's not it's also not based It's based on a real thing, Korea. Unless you do something that happened locally and just use that as kind of inspiration, but then at that point, just make a new thing. Yeah. Don't get it.
666
00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,000
I mean, take the recent remake of Speak No Evil, for example. English-speaking remakes of foreign movies always pull their punches. They're always safer.
667
00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000
That did I thought that was all right, wasn't it? The
668
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,000
It was okay, but it was nowhere near as as like impactful as the original
669
00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,000
as as reboots of for movies go. I thought that was that was pretty good.
670
00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000
It was all right. The performances were good.
671
00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,000
Yeah. But maybe I was just surprised cuz I was I was going scooter McNary. Like I I'm expecting this to be pretty crap. But it was it was I quite enjoyed it, I think. But that it definitely did didn't do the same things that not going to spoil it, but there's things that happen in the original that that don't happen in in the remake, and it's uh an inferior movie because of that.
672
00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,000
Yeah. Like it might be a welcome change to some people who don't want to see that. Like
673
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,000
I do I play
674
00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,000
No, but it's it was shocking. It stays with you.
675
00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,000
Yeah. Memorable.
676
00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,000
Memorable. Yeah. So, no get f***** with a remake of this. It's
677
00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000
shouldn't happen. That Train to Busousan remake that they keep threatening is has has never come to fruition, which is again I did hear that Frank Gillow was attached at one point. I was like, "Oh,
678
00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,000
briefly got excited."
679
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Yeah.
680
00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,000
Train to Brooklyn or something.
681
00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,000
Oh, there's been a lot over the years. Like there's there was a proposed make of the Warriors for a long time, probably about 15 years ago, but that died a death thankfully.
682
00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,000
Just just certain projects that just wouldn't work
683
00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000
and just are wholly unnecessary.
684
00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000
Yeah. Yeah.
685
00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000
And I think this is one of them because the the tonal juggling, I don't know. It worked once, but I think it was maybe lightning in a bottle.
686
00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000
It's a very specific film. It's a very specific time about a very specific thing. And although It does look at lots of different things, all of the themes that we spoke about earlier. I don't know how I don't know how you Americanize that really.
687
00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,000
Well, can you think of an American counterpart to Wong Junho?
688
00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,000
Um,
689
00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,000
I can't I can't think of one that's doing the same kind of work.
690
00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000
No, I can't I I can't think of anyone. The The only the only person I thought of the other day was a film that I thought in relation to this was Don't look up because of the satire, because of the criticism of the authorities. I'm not saying that Adam McKay is comparable to Bong Ho.
691
00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000
No,
692
00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000
they make very different movies, but some of the satire in that, and that's a film that got shhat on, but I actually really really liked it.
693
00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,000
Uh can see some sort of through lines there, but I don't I can't think of anyone specifically that I could
694
00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000
go, "Oh, yeah, they're they've got similar sensibilities and make similar movies."
695
00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,000
Um a bowl.
696
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,000
No.
697
00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,000
Mhm.
698
00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,000
No.
699
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,000
Well, as long as UV bowl is working, canceled celebs will get work.
700
00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,000
Yeah. So, you wanted to talk about the climax of the film then.
701
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,000
Yeah. I I I was surprised, you know, like like I said a couple of times, started to get a bit confused in the middle. Where is everyone? What are they what are they doing? Why have they separated?
702
00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000
I think they had to because when the dad died on the banks of the river, Um, obviously our main character was captured and the others had to scatter.
703
00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,000
Right. That was it, wasn't it? Yes. He was captured and then the other brother and sister, they were together, but then there's a frame where they just sort of say they got separated. And I was surprised by that. And I remember thinking at the time, oh, is this going to be a situation where she was in danger and you ran away? So, I was thinking that, but of course it's not that because it's that's what I was expecting. And then they sort of go off on their own. She's she's sleeping in on the bridge in that little beam somehow and he's uh sleeping in the tent in a tent with the homeless guy and then they eventually all come back together at the the final scene of the movie and I remember thinking this is a bit like Avengers but they all like they go their separate ways then they all come together and it I'm I'm joking obviously but that that's the feeling that I got from it like the satisfaction I got from all of the Avengers coming coming together and seeing them all on screen. I had the similar thing when I saw the the when I saw them coming together at the end of this movie and they all had a part to play which I really liked and it it just built up to that very very nicely.
704
00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,000
Or the part where the sister's like on your left and it's the brother with the Molotov cocktail.
705
00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,000
Yeah.
706
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,000
It's just the same. Yeah.
707
00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000
Yeah. Yeah. Um Yeah. No, I really liked that. I really liked the ending. The ending there.
708
00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000
And they kill the kid.
709
00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000
Yeah. which I wasn't expecting cuz the kids the whole time is buried not buried it's just in that hole somewhere in a sewer.
710
00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000
The whole thing was shot on location with the exception of the creature's lair which was a set.
711
00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000
You can't put a kid in a sewer anymore.
712
00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,000
You can't really know these days.
713
00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,000
Even if you really want to
714
00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,000
or you shouldn't. Let's put it that way. But yeah, the the whole of the rest of it was actually shot on location at the Wyo Bridge, I think it was called, which I thought was Very cool.
715
00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000
Yeah.
716
00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000
But yeah, I don't know if we'd sort of been softened to her death because there was like a I don't know a 20 30 minute section where we thought she she was dead already at the beginning.
717
00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000
Yeah, that's right. Cuz she gets captured at the start of the movie. Like she's introduced. You see her dad giving her a beer and then she gets captured.
718
00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000
Great parenting.
719
00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000
Yeah.
720
00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000
Just after he's stolen some squid legs.
721
00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,000
One squid leg. The squid's only got nine. Herzog was like, "Where's my other leg?" Excuse me. Where is my other leg? Rubbish.
722
00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000
That was a rubbish impression. Go back to the other side.
723
00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,000
That's all right.
724
00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000
Um, yeah, she she gets she sort of disappears for the first 20 minutes of the movie, half an hour of the movie, and then it's you're surprised that she's still alive and been regurgitated into the the concrete hole. And she gets some company with another kid, and she sort of becomes a
725
00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,000
uh someone that that kid can rely on. And that kid survives. And the only reason that kid survives is because of her. And it was surprising to see her still alive. Very, very capable, very brave little girl. Uh quite scary some of the stuff in it. Although it was tense, I would say scary, but
726
00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000
to put yourself in her shoes, particularly the moment where the monster
727
00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,000
in her shoes
728
00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,000
where the monster comes in and like regurgitates about 40 skeletons.
729
00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,000
Yeah,
730
00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,000
that's terrifying.
731
00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,000
That would be really unpleasant if I saw that. Yeah,
732
00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,000
I think blimey
733
00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,000
go back to bed. I love the bit when the monster is sleeping and she decides because they throw the makeshift rope that they've made from clothes and it's just just out of reach, but then the monster sleeps underneath it and I'm thinking, you've got to run up there.
734
00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,000
And that was great. And she jumps for it and then the monster I didn't quite get what was happening there, but it
735
00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,000
it grabs her with the its tail.
736
00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000
It grabs her with the tail. But I guess what I was thinking is so Is the monster awake? And it's just like I I'm so I don't like you're not going to get away from it. I'm going to put minimal effort in. But the other thing the other thing that I thought was is it asleep and that is just an automatic like defense mechanism or something. I don't suppose it really gave you the answer.
737
00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000
I don't think it matters.
738
00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000
No, but it was just something I was thinking and again unexpected.
739
00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000
Yeah, it was good. Um but she doesn't make it. She I guess at that point I'm thinking I did it didn't even occurred to me that this kid might die.
740
00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,000
Yeah.
741
00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,000
And then it sort of cuts to the the climax of the movie, the third part of the movie where they're having their face off and then old mate reaches into the gob of the fish monster thing and pulls out the two kids and one of them is his daughter, but she's dead.
742
00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,000
Yeah.
743
00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,000
And and even at that point, you don't know if the if I I'm still thinking at that point, she's going to wait.
744
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,000
Yeah. Yeah.
745
00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,000
I I was right until the credits rolled. I was thinking there's the kid It's going to wake up. And then when the credits did roll, I was like, "Wow,
746
00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000
all right."
747
00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000
Bold move.
748
00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,000
Bold move. Yeah. So to have all of that in it and then not have that, I guess a lot of audience would want it to be that way that or would want the kid to survive because it somehow a more satisfying ending. I was having visions of this being screamed to US test audiences and then going, "Oh, I'm not sure the kid should die at the end of it." But absolutely like it made loads about this film that I liked, but I just love that they had the balls to do that. And also like you are talking about a real thing that happened. So there's got to be some repercussions. You know, obviously the family has been the dad died and they've been separated and there's all those issues and the devastation to the surrounding area that the fish has caused, but there's got to be something else that happens. It can't just be, ah, we we poisoned the river, but don't worry, everyone's all right. Like that sort of would remove some of the messaging. Toothless.
749
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,000
It would be toothless. Yeah, definitely.
750
00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000
So, yeah, surprised, but yeah, I really liked it.
751
00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000
It was the right call.
752
00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,000
It was the right call and I just really enjoyed the the action of it as well, just the set pieces of it, like the throwing the Molotov cocktails, which we've been introduced to earlier and he was, like you say, he was it was uh foreshadowed with him drinking and then you see him again. He takes the the soldier bottles off the guy and the archer. We know
753
00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,000
bow.
754
00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000
Checkov's bow. We knew that she was going to come back and and come good at that point. But she works together with her brother and uses the molotov that he drops and like it's masterfully done.
755
00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,000
Yeah.
756
00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,000
And then also the main guy has the the the bit with the pole
757
00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,000
so he finishes it finishes it off. But
758
00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000
you can't have you can't defeat the monster without one of those. I love the fact they all had a part to play play and they all came together which I guess is another part of the family uh commentary there. which was really which was really satisfying as well.
759
00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000
And also like uh the the message overall to me is just like particularly lower classes like I've always been working class the the idea of community being where you thrive.
760
00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000
You can't do anything alone.
761
00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,000
Yeah.
762
00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,000
I don't know. I really liked it.
763
00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000
I I just really liked how it just really focused on that family. We didn't go to I guess a lot of these sort of monster movies you you I think a lot
764
00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,000
they paint in broader strokes and there's more like like a Godzilla for example or a King Kong. The devastation to the surrounding area is you know destruction p*** basically.
765
00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,000
Yeah. It's like a Zack Snider movie.
766
00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,000
Yeah.
767
00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,000
But it's it's um I think a lot of the monster movies as well will try to put in several characters that maybe maybe they try to represent a like whole of society somehow. Like I me just mentioned Zach So, I'm going to talk about Dawn of the Dead, but they're in which is a movie that I really like, by the way. Probably the only one. It's probably the only Zack Snider movie that I really like.
768
00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,000
Probably James Gunn's involvement then.
769
00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000
Yes. Mostly Gun. But, you know, they go into the shopping center and then you've got the the rich producer a******, you've got the cop, you've got the criminal, you've got the doctor, you've got the guy that's sort of just an everyman. There's like there's like one person that represents a whole group of people.
770
00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000
But I I
771
00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,000
there's a place for that.
772
00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,000
There's a place for that and I enjoy that. But just really likes how this just focused on the family because that's who these things affect. You know, if there's
773
00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000
there's some sort of environmental situation, an environmental disaster, the people with all the money, they're going to be off. You know, there's no real danger to them because, oh, when's that helicopter coming in? Great. I'm going to take my gold toilet seat with me on that helicopter. Whereas the people that don't have much, I've just got to deal with the situation.
774
00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,000
Yeah.
775
00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,000
So, it feels more real in that way and also more interesting. Like, I don't care about the rich people like they f*** them. They'll be all right.
776
00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,000
Oh my god. The I'm so glad you've said that because so much media I I didn't even start noticing this until about 10 years ago, but so much media is about rich people.
777
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,000
Or at least
778
00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,000
financially comfortable people.
779
00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000
You're talking about Entourage.
780
00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,000
No, I'm not.
781
00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000
Sick sick movie.
782
00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,000
I try not to talk about entourage.
783
00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,000
Sick. Jeremy Pivven. What a guy.
784
00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,000
He's a baddie.
785
00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000
I know he's an a******. I'm all baddies.
786
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000
Yeah, he's a wham. Oh, Jeremy Pivven's a banker, by the way. Oh, shock horror. Only plays wankers.
787
00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,000
Hey, sometimes sometimes people who play against type are the nicest, so you can't always count them out.
788
00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,000
True.
789
00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,000
But anyway, I I think like so much media is about rich people, wealthy people, often like obscenely wealthy as well, and it's just not interesting to me anymore.
790
00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,000
But all the media about poor people. I would say 85% of it is about how depressing it is to be poor and that's not fun either. I don't want to see that either. Whereas this, it's about a lowerass family. It's a family drama at the heart of it, but it's it's not about, oh, aren't we
791
00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,000
Aren't we like terribly off? Yeah.
792
00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000
Aren't things awful?
793
00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000
It's not I Daniel Blake for f***** sake.
794
00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000
Well, Not we're not meant to watch it and go, "Oh, these poor people." Like, we're just I think we're just meant
795
00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000
It's just about people who are working class.
796
00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,000
It's just about some regular folks that like we're that that most of us are,
797
00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,000
you know, 95% of us are.
798
00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,000
This is what I want more of.
799
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,000
Yeah. Yeah. And it's it captures that spirit of of kind of real life in a way as as well because Yeah. life is not wholly depressing. Life is not wholly satisfying. It's somewhere in the middle where sometimes it's things are good, sometimes things are bad. Often tragedy and comedy are very similar. You know, there's that thing that that phrase where what is it? Uh comedy is tragedy plus time. I I mean I think comedy is
800
00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000
not very much time has to pass for you to turn it into comedy
801
00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,000
about 0 seconds usually, but it's complicated and I like that he's able to capture that sort of thing in this. Like we said with the slapstick, you know that that funny s*** is going to happen whether your kids dead whether you're getting chased by a monster like it's it's sort of although it's about a giant fish monster, it feels very real.
802
00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,000
Yeah.
803
00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,000
Uh in terms of the characters and
804
00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000
the interactions
805
00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000
the interactions and what we're supposed to be feeling, I guess.
806
00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,000
And and Bong Jun Ho said in an interview that he he can't I'm paraphrasing here, but he can't make anything without dark humor.
807
00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,000
Yeah.
808
00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,000
Because apart from anything else, it sort of helps the emotional stuff resonate.
809
00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,000
Yeah. No, 100%. % agree.
810
00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000
And the tension.
811
00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,000
Yeah.
812
00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,000
I can't wait for his next film,
813
00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000
Alloy.
814
00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,000
Yeah.
815
00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,000
Yeah. Well, hopefully it's I mean, it's on letter boxed, as we said, wearing a Herzog is attached, so hopefully it comes out pretty soon.
816
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000
Gimmit, put it in my eyeballs now.
817
00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,000
Do you think that this movie would make a good double bill with Tremors? Not as much social commentary and tremors.
818
00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,000
I think I think The host first, Tremors second.
819
00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,000
Yeah, I agree. Well, Tremors is dessert, isn't it? That's the like Although the host is really fun. Tremors is just stupid.
820
00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,000
Yeah,
821
00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,000
but I love it.
822
00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,000
If you're making toast, the host is the home whole meal bread. Tremors is the white bread.
823
00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,000
Okay. Okay. Yeah. And in terms of I was thinking about comparisons and and the two that I came up with was Don't Look Up and uh and Trimmor.
824
00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,000
Oh, that's how we're pronouncing it.
825
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,000
Tremors. Yeah.
826
00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000
Okay. Fancy.
827
00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,000
We've got to do more Trimmor movies. Oh, I do. You know what? It's going to come clean. It's not in this lineup, but I did almost put Tremors 2 in this lineup.
828
00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,000
Did you?
829
00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,000
Yeah, cuz we haven't done a sequel to a movie that we've covered before.
830
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,000
That's true. And you just want an excuse to say ass blasters.
831
00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,000
Like I need an excuse to say ass blasters. I say that whenever I order a slushie, two ass blasters, please.
832
00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,000
And they look at you with disgust and confusion.
833
00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,000
Yeah. Um, yeah. But no, really good movie. I'm really glad that the remake didn't happen. I'm really glad that the sequel didn't happen.
834
00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000
I've got a hot take.
835
00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,000
I think this is as good as Parasite.
836
00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,000
Yeah. Okay.
837
00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,000
I might be alone there cuz obviously Parasite was like universally loved, Oscar winning.
838
00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,000
Yeah.
839
00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,000
I think The Host is as good as
840
00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,000
I'm not going to argue with you.
841
00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,000
Good.
842
00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000
I I I really like the host. I'd have to watch Parasite again. I really like that
843
00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,000
two thumbs up for host.
844
00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,000
Yeah. Great.
845
00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,000
The host.
846
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,000
The host. I I'm I was pretty confident I was going to like it on a basis that I I like his his other movies that I've seen. Yeah. Um and I'm glad that I put it on cuz it is it is one that I would have liked to have gotten around to at some point.
847
00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,000
And we got it off the to watch pile.
848
00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,000
It was a pile movie. Yeah. I didn't even know that when I programmed it. I didn't know it was a pile movie. No.
849
00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,000
I thought maybe that's why you'd done it.
850
00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,000
No. No. I'm just I'm glad that it was a pile movie and we've done it and it was very good and I'm glad we did it and I've said that three times I think now. Should I say it again?
851
00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,000
No, I think that's enough.
852
00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,000
Glad we did it. Glad we did it. Glad we did it. Bear get up bear. Get up.
853
00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,000
I think that will suffice.
854
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000
Yeah.
855
00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000
I I also think that next week's show is going to go very differently to this week.
856
00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,000
I I reckon
857
00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,000
I have an inkling.
858
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,000
There's I wonder how much social commentary and satire I mean I hope it's satire. I don't know.
859
00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,000
I'm going to say zero social commentary. That's my guess.
860
00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,000
You're going to hate me, aren't you?
861
00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,000
What are we doing, Dan?
862
00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,000
The reason that this season exists is because of this, maybe because I wanted to cover this. We're doing tiptoes. You're welcome.
