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Speaker 1: Evening massive show tonight, the Prime Minister prepares to celebrate surpassing Paul Keating's time as Prime minister. But I'll take a look at how their records compare. I mean, Paul Keating gave the Redfern address, alber Easy spoke about shagging Kylie Minogue. Plus I'll reveal just how many child sex offenders and criminals have been allowed to stay in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Despite not being citizens.
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Speaker 1: That exclusive story with Jonathan Dunham soon and Pauline Hanson accuses Chris Kenny of a gotcha question after she fails to name world leaders.
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Speaker 3: What about the Prime Minister of Japan?
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Speaker 2: She's I can't say, I.
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Speaker 3: Can't remember her name either.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll ask Matt Canavan if he thinks that question is fair. And In serious news, schoolboys in an elite Sydney private school have been charged with the rape of a teenage girl.
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Speaker 2: Those details coming up.
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Speaker 1: But first, Anthony Albanesi surpasses Paul Keating tomorrow in the number of days served as Prime minister. That's one thousand, five hundred.
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Speaker 2: And forty four long days.
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Speaker 1: In fact, only three Labor prime ministers have served longer. Andrew Fisher who led for four years and ten months, Bob Hawk, who was PM for eight years and nine months, and Ben Schiffley who served for four years and five months. So tomorrow Albanezi becomes the fourth longest serving Labor PM and this will no doubt be a cause for celebration in Albanese's mind. At least as far as I'm concerned, there's not much for Australia to celebrate. An Albanese's record hardly holds up against keatings. Keating's reforms transformed our nation for the better. He introduced compulsory superannuation, requiring employers to contribute to their employees' retirement savings. He oversaw the Native Title Act of nineteen ninety three after the High Court's Marbo decision. Along with Hawk, Keating floated the Australian dollar and was responsible for financial deregulation, tariff reductions, and opened Australia to international capital and competition. He also forged deeper ties with Asia and elevated APEX into a leader's level forum. But Paul Keating's impact went far beyond economic reform. He demonstrated genuine moral leadership. For example, famously in his nineteen ninety two, Red Fern speech on Indigenous reconciliation.
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Speaker 4: The problem starts with us, the non Aboriginal Australians. It begins, I think with an act of recognition, recognition that it was we who did the dispossessing.
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Speaker 1: It's the sort of speech we need about anti semitism today. Then there was his eulogy of the Unknown Australian Soldier on eleventh of November ninety three.
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Speaker 5: We do not know this Australian's name, and we never will. We do not know his rank or his battalion. We do not know where he was born, or precisely how and when he died.
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Speaker 1: There was also his True Believer's Election night victory speech in March ninety three. And then there was his wit, his brutal cutting lines in Parliament like this.
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Speaker 4: He couldn't sustain the spaces. It was like being flogged with a warm letters, a blog with a warm letters.
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Speaker 3: Why won't you call an early election? Because I won slowly? I want to.
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Speaker 4: Mean, I mean, he's going, mister speaker, mister speaker, he's going trop oil, going chop o.
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Speaker 6: He's more to be pity than despised.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were about John Houston, but he was equally devastating about his other rivals.
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Speaker 7: Brian Berg saw Kevin Rudd coming and he played him like a piano.
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Speaker 8: For Old Costello.
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Speaker 3: He's all tip and.
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Speaker 8: No Iceberg give give.
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Speaker 1: And of course Keating famously called the unruly senate unrepresentative swill Well. Alberize's record hardly compares with the great Keating. You can barely out of their names in the same breath. Where Keating was a brilliant visionary with devastating wit, Albanizi is beije and managerial, utterly lacking in intellect, and a bit of a plot. For Albanzi, the list runs a mile long for all the things we should not be celebrating about his record, So let's look at what he'll actually be remembered for. Devastating the economy with fifteen interest rate rises, terrible inflation, and a cost of living crisis, all.
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Speaker 2: On his watch.
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Speaker 1: He failed with his ill thought out voice referendum, setting back the Indigenous community for decades, tax hikes that we never voted for that have caused a housing market crunch, rampant anti business policies driving entrepreneurs offshore, soaring immigration levels that have led to the rise of one nation, the collapse of social cohesion, including the anti Semitism crisis, and of course, the worst terror attack in Australia's history happened under Albanese's watch after his failure of leadership in the two years before that.
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Speaker 2: And while as I just showed.
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Speaker 1: You, Keating gave some of history's greatest orations from alban Easy we get remarks like this.
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Speaker 9: The Bonkan light rabbits.
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Speaker 7: Well, you know, when we have time after the footy, after the forty, it's always a good aphrodisiac at souse win.
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Speaker 1: He'll also be remembered for his broken promises, from power prices to the tax.
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Speaker 7: Changes, reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars. Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and capital gains tests? How hard is it for the fiftieth time we have changed our position.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are plenty more broken promises. Then there are the lies from the minor, like I didn't fall off the stage, to the major, like dismissing the return of Isis Brides as a false story.
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Speaker 10: Stepped off the stage.
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Speaker 7: I didn't fall over on my backside. I commit here that every single year. As that I have the great honor to be Australia as Prime Minister, I will be here. You know what, Hamish, I haven't had a day off all year.
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Speaker 11: What actions has your government taken to guarantee the safety of Australians if these people return?
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Speaker 3: Those reports are not accurate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so alban Ezy will likely celebrate his so called achievement of surpassing Keating's time as Prime Minister with a string of media appearances.
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Speaker 2: And accolades from France.
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Speaker 1: But we have to think back to what Keating once said. He said, leadership, after all, is about two things, imagination and courage, and we all know too well that our current Prime minister possesses neither. We've gone from a true believer to a true achiever and our nation is the worse for it. We now for some shocking news. Three boys have been charged over the alleged sexual assault of a girl in Sydney's Eastern suburbs. One thirteen year old and two fourteen year olds who attend the prestigious Scots College allegedly sexually assaulted a fourteen year old girl in an alleyway on July twenty second. Police executed search warrants at the three teenagers' homes, and all were arrested today and granted bail. The school has so far declined to say whether it will suspend the three students, but it told The Herald that the alleged attack occurred outside school hours, and the school's principal, doctor Ian Lambert, said, I recognize that news of this nature may cause concern within our community and appreciate that parents may have questions. If there's further information appropriate for the college to share, we will do so. It's an awful story, and of course we'll keep you across's developments as they come. Now, Pauline Hansen has accused my friend and colleague Chris Kenny of a gotcha question.
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Speaker 12: Now.
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Speaker 1: Chris interviewed Pauline for his upcoming documentary The Fight for the Right, and in a discussion about foreign policy, he asked if she knew the names of several world leaders.
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Speaker 13: If you were prime minister, you'd have to get involved in a lot of foreign policy. All prime ministers do. You'd have to engage with our region. How would you go engaging with Southeast Asia in particular?
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Speaker 3: Oh, no problem. So if you became prime minister.
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Speaker 13: Wouldn't you want to visit Jakata fairly quickly and meet with the president there.
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Speaker 5: I don't have it.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd.
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Speaker 13: Say one of in Indonesia one of our most important partners.
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Speaker 1: It is one of our most important partners, Chris and I.
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Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that. Do you know who the president is?
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Speaker 6: No?
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Speaker 1: I don't know his name.
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Speaker 2: I can't remember his name.
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Speaker 13: You can't remember the name of the President of Indonesia Indonesia, No, I can't.
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Speaker 3: What about the Prime Minister of Japan, she's.
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Speaker 2: I can't say.
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Speaker 3: I can't remember her name either.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, you could tell us who the president of China is shipping. That's one out of three. This will be a big learning curve for you, wouldn't they?
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I know her name.
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Speaker 2: Do I a member of Japanese name?
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Speaker 14: No?
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Speaker 1: I don't.
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Speaker 2: I'm in a position. I'm not Prime Minister, am I?
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Speaker 1: So that's from Chris's documentary Amazing interview. Well, then last night Pauline went on Chris's show and accused him of asking her a gotcha question, but then she admitted that she still didn't know who the President of Indonesia is. Chris, and I'll tell the people now. I don't know if you're going to put it in the interview, but you attempted to get me on a gotcha moment.
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Speaker 13: There was plenty in that interview, and there'll be plenty in the documentary, and there's certainly wasn't much there that could be called gotcha.
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Speaker 10: But given you mentioned those questions.
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Speaker 6: Have you brushed up? Have you found out who the.
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Speaker 3: President of Indonesia is?
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Speaker 15: No?
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Speaker 1: I haven't, Chris, Oh dear, why do I need to?
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Speaker 2: Oh dear? Not ideal?
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Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss as Nationals leader Matt Canavan, Matt, great to see you again. Well, look, Pauline Hansen wants to be Prime minister. That's how she's positioning herself. So do you think this line of questioning is legitimate or do you agree with her that it's a gotcha question?
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Speaker 16: Look, Shari, I think any question is legitimate to an electoral representative. I don't think it's the biggest deal in the world, but no doubt. I think what I'm much more interested is to know is what would paul In Hansen, Sir, my nation's policy be towards countries in our region rather than the answers to pop quizzes, so much more important to know how you'd approach the world in our relationships. One criticism I have is that our nation's discussion narrative down here in Canberra, we rarely ever hear anything about Indonesia, rarely ever hear anything indeed about the region we actually exist. And we hear a lot about US politics, a lot about European politics. But the most probably important country next to us, It is our closest neighbor. I think in some areas it's close between it and pub New Guinea. We don't hear much about it, and it's the fourth most populous country in the world. They're stealing our industry right now. I speak about Indonesia all the time, but it just really frustrates me that not many people take it up.
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Speaker 6: They're stealing our nickel industry.
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Speaker 16: That stole our nickel industry because they're building cold fired powerstations and we are not. They're on track to take over our mini industry. The two and a half billion bailout we gave to Tomago today, a big part of that is because countries like Indonesia are aggressively expanding into eliminium markets. They're not held back by the insane idea of net zero. They just get on with it and deliver cheap power to heavy industry. And they're stealing our lunch because of it. Maybe we should pay a bit more attention and to the design to prevail our subianto.
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Speaker 6: He said this, he said this, when.
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Speaker 1: He got there, you go, there, you go.
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Speaker 6: You just helped out, just helped.
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Speaker 1: Out, said the name of the intonesiastries.
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Speaker 6: We should listen a bit more to him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, speaking of one Nation, there were some ugly scenes at the anti one Nation student protests around Australia today. This is right across the country now. Thousands of teenagers, university students walked out of school only to herl abuse at Pauline Hansen. One moment got very ugly when protesters took the microphone from our News twenty four reporter Georgie Dickison.
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Speaker 10: Less sentiment to where Caser is in?
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Speaker 1: All right, and so while we're talking now, Matt, we're going to show you this incredible new footage. We might bring it up now as on the screen. It's a amazing new footage. AVI Yemeny's team took this. You can see Georgie Dickerson running down the street chasing the attacker. If we can play that again. She's in the black coat. The man who stole not attacker, but the man who took her microphone is in the blue hood. She runs down and chases him and then she kind of grabs him from the behind to stop him continuing.
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Speaker 2: It's amazing, amazing footage.
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Speaker 1: Then what you're looking at now, those big men, that's av Yemeny's security team. He needs six security and they step in and they actually retrieve the microphone for her. If maybe, if we can just play the beginning bit of that again, because it's just incredible how she Yeah, look at her running down the street.
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Speaker 2: Amazing.
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Speaker 1: I'm in awe of how she how she acted, and then she kind of grabs him from behind. Look at that, Matt, Matt, this is this is amazing courage from her.
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Speaker 16: You took the words out of my mouth, Charry. She deserves an award of some kind. That's an amazing piece of journalism. And there you say bravery and good on her. I think all of these students deserve to be detention.
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Speaker 6: Or ground that.
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Speaker 16: I don't know what the punishment is in schools these days. That should happen. You just should turn up a school. If you don't, you should pay some punishment. And that particular individual, well, something should be elevated more higher than that. You can't go around stealing people's stuff on the street and there should be action.
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Speaker 6: The reason we've had I think.
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Speaker 16: An unfortunate outbreak of hate, of violent speech and ultimately culminating in very violent conduct BONDI there tragically is because we haven't enforced the laws we have at a small scale. We let small things go through to the keeper and that builds up into much much bigger things. So there should be a response here for that kind of conduct. The school should respond to their own students and show some discipline there. And that individual, as I say, deserves tougher sanctions.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And the issue is that probably a lot of the teachers would be encouraging the students to leave school and go to the protest. I mean, there's so many activist teachers around, which is part.
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Speaker 2: Of the issue.
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Speaker 1: Matt. I've been really keen all day to hear your thoughts and this announcement by Albanisi and Chris Men's the New Southerwist Premier earlier. Today, tax payers are set to pay two and a half billion dollars over the next decade to bail out Australia's largest aluminium smelter. So I mean, this does employ one thousand people. I mean, but the issue is these endless subsidies.
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Speaker 2: What do you think.
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Speaker 6: Well, look, we need to save these jobs.
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Speaker 16: I don't want to see them go, but we cannot cannot have a long term healthy industry based on life support. The government's agenda, it's energy agenda, it's net zero agenda, has led to a situation we are once proud factories and smelters having to survive a check to government, check to government check on life support just to stay alive. This deal today cost two and a half billion dollars going to Rio Tinto. It follows another deal at the Glads and smelt a few months ago of two billion dollars. So four and a half billion dollars of your money going to one of the biggest companies in the world, Rio Tinto. All up, the government has given seven points seven billion dollars to other smelters and factories as well of your money to prop up its failing net zero agenda. So the net zero agenda is now costing us at least two ways. We are paying through the roof with our power bills. They're going up, and now we're having to pay high taxes to keep manufacturing jobs here which used to survive when they just use cold fired power. These smelters have always been powered and fueled with cold fired power. To make one more point, Sharry, give in mind, this money is going to build wind, solar and batteries so that Rio can say they're using green power. Do you know there's nothing stopping Rio tinto using col fired power to fill up the battery. Then go and use that power from the battery and turn around and say we're using green power, aren't goody, good boystrial energy washing on a large scale.
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Speaker 1: Matt Canavan, always love having you on the show, Thank you so much. Or Angus Taylor's media director, Caine Silom has been caught on camera snapping at a Channel ten reporter who asked about the YEKAC inquiry.
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Speaker 14: Are exact, Seriously, that's a freaking straight well ask me questions about I can get and he's answered them.
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Speaker 1: But it's not only Angus Taylor's media team that's been pretty touchy with the media. Pauline Hanson has banned several media outlets from her press conferences and she won't engage with some journalists at all.
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Speaker 2: To discuss this.
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Speaker 1: Is my panel former Labor State Secretary Camer Milner and former New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott. Great to see you both that Cameron's starting with you. Do you think both Angus Taylor and Pauline Hanson are just being too sensitive to questions or criticism?
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Speaker 8: Well, there're being a bit precious, aren't they mean?
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Speaker 17: Look, Pauline should let Guardian readers actually have to listen to Pauline Hanson. I think that would be a gift from Pauline to the Guardian viewers and readers. But to Taylor's stuff, what a glass jaw, What a glass jaw? I mean, David, you know you've been the victim of shit sheets, disgusting shit sheets in New South Wales politics and it should be fully investigated by IKAK because if there were factual warriors using you know, developer money from a Libertese guy who's actually on the run, or from Dominic Perrete's brother who's still in the field in Fiji because of the authorities can't get to him. Then it's a dirty, dirty secret. And Mcinernie Dallas mcinnie has given evidence to say that Angus Taylor had lunch with him, he says, give it evidence to say that he that Angus Taylor promised him money fifteen thousand dollars and three thousand dollars a month. So so let's follow the money, let's follow the trail, and let's have the questions asked. If Angus Taylor has nothing to hide and he has nothing to fear, he should actually be upfront with the Australian people and not have his press secretary, you know, Demean Journo doing the job and asking the right questions.
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Speaker 1: Well, Angus Taylor has denied the allegations. He's denied that any payments were made, and we haven't seen any evidence to the contrary. So if the inquiry finishes and there is no evidence of the country, then once again it'll be IKAK smearing good reputations, as it has done so many times before.
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Speaker 2: But you know, David, to.
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Speaker 1: The point of, you know, the sensitivity around the media, I mean, I'm trying to remember, I don't think we've had any run ins, but you must have lost it at reporters over the years when they're asking questions.
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Speaker 9: I have, and I'm still apologizing to Alex Smith at the City Morning Herald, but most of those done off off camera, off camera, and certainly never live. I mean, I probably did have a short answer to a few people, but that just does go to show how much pressure Angus Taylor is under. And I think that's very sad, and I think it's unprofessional and it will look bad to the coalition because when you start behaving like that makes people think, rightly or wrongly, that you are trying to you are trying to hide something.
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Speaker 2: Are you being pretty sensitive about it? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Well, I spoke earlier in the show about how the Prime Minister will tomorrow become the fourth longest serving prime minister in history, Cameron surpassing Keating's record, or Cameron would love as a labor guy, as a senior labor guy, to hear what you think about how their records compare.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 17: I love your compare the pair at the start of the program. But the one that I thought was one that we could add to the list was that Paul Keating warned about Australia becoming a Banana republic, and Albow is delivering us into being a banana republic. I mean a trillion dollars weather dead, no productivity, massive taxes and massive spending.
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Speaker 12: I mean Keating was genuinely.
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Speaker 17: Worried about about Nada republic, and Albow on his watch is delivering us one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good point. It's true, David. Their records couldn't be more different.
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Speaker 12: No, they couldn't. But you were very generous.
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Speaker 9: I mean, I grew up in a working class family in Western Sydney and Paul Keating was our local member during the time that we had a recession we had to have, So.
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Speaker 12: I'm yes, he did some good things.
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Speaker 9: He had Often people have said he's the best liberal treasurer we've ever had, certainly up until certainly happened Toil Pedicostello.
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Speaker 12: But I mean, I think you're right.
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Speaker 9: I mean, if you, if you objectively look at the two, Keating could at least hold his head. It didn't in the world on the world stage, held high. But I don't think you can say the same about Albernezi.
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Speaker 1: Especially not after this melon saga. What about Melling Gate.
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Speaker 14: I know it.
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Speaker 2: I'm genuinely.
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Speaker 1: As I said it last time, I'm so sick of talking about the Mellons.
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Speaker 2: But Cameron, I'm.
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Speaker 1: Kid keen to hear your thoughts on new Southwist. Premier Chris means having to step in and save the PM from having to answer questions, we might actually have a look at that here it is.
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Speaker 7: I've talked here today, I've talked here today, just mant look, I've answered this question many times. The fact is, well, the fact is the fact is that the Japanese Prime Minister and I have a very good relationship the Japanese. The Japanese ambassador's made very clear statements indeed about how warm our dinner was, and it was indeed it was fent.
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Speaker 3: Go and ask a thousand workers what they care about today. Witness this is the biggest.
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Speaker 12: Announcement to this region in a generation.
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Speaker 3: Can we just talk about it for five.
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Speaker 2: Minutes, right, Cameron? How badly has Albanez he handled this?
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Speaker 12: It's terrible, It's terrible.
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Speaker 17: Yesterday we had a conger light of labor women being Albo's angels, and today we had the news with iles premier having.
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Speaker 12: A land on the grenade.
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Speaker 17: I mean, why can't the bloke just say sorry, I mean sorry for being a dirty old man cracking a really bad joke while trying to flirt with a podcaster. That's what that's what we all saw. I mean, that's what he should apologize for. It was beneath the role of Prime minister. The longer this goes, the more damage he does. And today we had a big announcement saving a thousand jobs with taxpayers money, and it's all about Albow again. Wasn't another another albow stuff up rather than a real announcement and that's the real cost.
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Speaker 1: By the way, that comedian Nikki Osborne, she's now gone on Mark Borris's podcast and said that she got the interview with Albo because she DMed the PM.
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Speaker 2: That's what she said, DM.
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Speaker 1: The PM, David look, should he just apologize.
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Speaker 2: Now and move on?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think you should have been the fact that I mean, Chris Mins tried to step in and look statesman like today. But ALLSI did is make Albo looked like a dribbler. And that's that's I mean.
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Speaker 2: And he was dribbling on.
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Speaker 12: Tinues to dribble over this.
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Speaker 9: But what I mean, Peter Beatty proved that if you if you want to shut down a story, take it one for the team. Just just own it and all the mistakes that I made, you just own it and walk on.
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Speaker 12: And that's what That's all the Prime inters they had to do. But today, if you wanted to see the tail.
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Speaker 9: Between two leaders, you saw Chris Mins in look statesmen like and then but he also at the same time showed the Prime Minister to be just you know, give a bex a headache.
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Speaker 1: Now, one thing that Chris Mens does well is he very easily admits when he's made a mistake.
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Speaker 2: And I think the public love him for that.
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Speaker 12: They do and that and that's that.
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Speaker 9: That is a character fault of the Prime Minister and a character strength of the Prime the premieer of New South Walest.
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Speaker 1: You can probably all learn from Men's, you know, about apologizing quickly, I'm wrong, I'm wrong and then what can people say?
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Speaker 2: Yes, can get on with it?
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Speaker 12: Works at hard.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good to know, David, David Elliott cameraman are great to see you both.
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Speaker 15: Well.
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Speaker 1: Let's turn out to our exclusive story tonight. Let's look at just how many non citizens are being allowed to stay in Australia despite serious criminal convictions and we can exclusively reveal that there's four hundred and seventy five non citizens with criminal convictions here in Australia at the moment.
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Speaker 2: And what's worse, that number include.
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Speaker 1: Sixteen people who've been convicted of a child's sex offense.
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Speaker 2: Now this four hundred and seventy five.
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Speaker 1: They've had their visas counseled, but the Administrative Review Tribunal then overturned these cancelations and shockingly, the Tribunal admitted that there may be other decisions where the Tribunal has set aside visa cancelations of non citizens, but the required level of detail is not captured by their management systems. So pretty serious issue. Criminals convicted of a crime, not Australian citizens, but allowed to remain in the country. Joining me now is Shadow of Home Affairs Minister Jonathan Dunniam who grilled government officials on this. These are the answers that they took on notice. J I mean, why has the tribunal made these decisions?
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Speaker 10: Well, there is no good answer for this.
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Speaker 18: I mean, the reality is, if anyone actually has a beating heart, if they're a parent, if they're a sibling, if they actually care about the security of our country. They would think this is the impossible decision to make to release someone into the community or not revoke their visa cancelation because of a serious conviction, including as you said before, people have committed child sexual offenses. It just makes no sense. There is no world in which this is good. But I expect the problem lies in technicalities at law. We've had lawyers being able to make technical arguments and members of the art have found that they need to make a decision accordingly. This is where a government should step in, and this is where a government should say our laws are deficient and we need to give guidance to members of the Administrative Review Tribunal and say this is the kind of stuff you should not be doing, or indeed work with the opposition, the coalition or willing to strengthen these laws to stop these people from having their visas canceled. You don't belong here, You're not the kind of people we want here and the government should be working to remove them from our country.
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Speaker 2: It's such a.
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Speaker 1: Gift to live in Australia, to live in our country, and to think there's nearly five hundred people who are convicted criminals and including sixteen with convicted of child sex offenses. I mean the issue must be with this tribunal. No, I mean, is the government powerless to act against its decisions?
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Speaker 10: Now they're not. This is the thing. The government is not powerless to act.
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Speaker 18: And there are things called ministerial directions that provide members of the Administrative Review Tribunal some guidance on how to make decisions. And so this is where a minister can say to the tribunal, if someone has these sorts of criminal records, if they've committed this kind of offense, then you must revoke their visa.
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Speaker 10: You must uphold our decision and they don't belong here.
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Speaker 18: Again, though, if there are technicalities at law, if the directions, the ministerial directions aren't strong enough, then work with the parliament to part us laws to kick these scumbags out. There's no other way around this. I mean, we are not beholden to quasi judicial or judicial officials. We are not beholden to bureaucrats. People elect parliamentarians, people elect a government. Let's act and change the laws and rules related to how we deal with these sorts of things.
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Speaker 1: You've also discovered that the Home Affairs Department has done no internal assessments or evaluation of the success of de radicalization programs, so they don't know if they're actually working. And you know, of course de radicalization programs are applied to terrorists.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, terrorists and family members of terrorists, people who've just returned from Syria, arsus brides and their children. Of course, remember we talked about it previously, Sharion. You know, we were going to ask politely for those who've returned to Australia in the cohorts of arsus brides and their children to participate in this scheme to d radicalize individuals. Well a, they're not compelled to do so, be we don't know whether these programs are successful. So what are we actually doing at a time when the Royal Commission is on foot and we're dealing with the radical elements of our society and needing to stamp it out and of course prevent it from being imported into our country, we're not doing anything to correct situations where there are people here who do need to be deradicalized. I've never had faith in these programs. We're better off keeping these people out. But the fact that we don't know how well these programs work is more alarming than that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you just mentioned the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 1: We actually heard evidence from Accounted Terrorism Coordinator Brendan Dowling this week and he was warning about some of these programs, saying that they're flawed.
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Speaker 2: Have a look, I.
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Speaker 11: Would say, under that previous program, we weren't able to formulate a clear national picture because the data collection and reporting was variable, patchy, inconsistent.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is look at an official analysis or verdict on these programs at the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 18: Yet it remains a tool that the government are deploying to deal with this hideous scourge on our society.
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Speaker 10: It explains everything.
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Speaker 18: And again the fact that they are so at sea on this matter is I think a terrible concern. And look, this is a mister Dowling, of course I greeled at estimates as well, and he is in charge of the section of the Department, the department that didn't know where the arsist brides were they'd been released into the community. So this federal government, this labor government, are not actually hand on the tiller. They don't know what we're doing in this country. They don't know where the risks to our society present. They are not managing actively in any way the people that are potentially going to do harm to our nation.
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Speaker 10: So there's a lot that needs to be.
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Speaker 18: Fixed here, and we keep bringing it up, We keep asking them to fix it. We keep presenting private members and senators bills, but they keep telling us there's nothing to see here, and they move on. They shut the bake down with the Greens. This is going to end very badly. And I just hope that people sit up and listen when the Royal Commission hands down its findings and where as a country can actually do something meaningful to prevent this sort of stuff from ever happening again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, depending what its findings are, that we will wait and see very quickly, because we are out of time very quickly. Were you surprised to hear your colleague Andrew Bragg set the migration level at one hundred and eighty thousand this week?
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Speaker 10: Oh look what Andrew has done.
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Speaker 18: As Andrew does on many things, he is someone who's an active thinker, and he's been talking about this for a long time. He's looking at the broken labor plan when it comes to build houses, the broken migration system, he's worked up his own numbers around this. We will announce a number. One Ady, is not it, But I'm glad he's kicked it into debate because it does show a contrast between where Labour's at with their broken migration system.
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Speaker 1: Liver Houses when we're going to get your number.
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Speaker 10: Soon, but not tonight, Sherry. I'll give you a number, but more important.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you is it less than Pauline's figure of one point thirty?
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Speaker 18: Again, you know what I'm going to do. Before I give you a number, I'm going to tell you how we got the number. All right, Pauline hasn't told you how she achieved the number. We will and we'll give you the number.
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Speaker 10: Promise.
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Speaker 1: John, I've got to go. Thanks for your time, and still to come. The university academic who's criticized schools for teaching that child marriage is wrong and Pauline Hanson and the Coalition are teaming up to try and force the Prime Minister to release his correspondence with Japan over the melon saga.
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Speaker 2: That's next.
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Speaker 1: The Senate wants the Albanezy government to produce its correspondence with Japan over the melon saga, an unlikely alliance between the Coalition, the Greens, one Nay and the cross Bench is supporting an order for production of documents and James Patterson led this this afternoon. Were chief political correspondent for nine newspapers, Paul Sakal Jones Me lie from Canberra, Paul, great to see you again. Look, only Labor voted against this, so can we expect the government to produce the letters on Monday?
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Speaker 19: The Government, Shari has a track record of been pretty recalcitrant when it comes to some of these orders to produce documents, although on this one, most of.
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Speaker 10: It I think is out there already.
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Speaker 19: I think the full text has been reported by media outlets, including ours, so it may well be that they're willing to hand these ones over.
00:34:42
Speaker 1: I mean, if the government does do this on Monday, or even if it doesn't, I mean it looks like this melngate is going to roll into week two.
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Speaker 10: It probably will.
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Speaker 19: It's obviously a point of sensitivity for the Prime Minister. He's found all different kinds of ways this week to avoid questions.
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Speaker 10: When Mary Aldrew, the Liberal.
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Speaker 19: Backbencher, got up for her second question, I think it was on Tuesday in question time, the Prime minister, who is as widely as they come in relation to parliamentary procedures, saw her step up and quickly got his documents in order and called for an end of question time. Chris Min's, as your viewers would know, stepped in today, so he doesn't want to talk about it. But on the other hand, and I talked to quite a few labor people about this today, even the few back even the minority of backbenchers who are quite critical of the Prime Minister and wish he would just make an apology and move on. They as well believe that the opposition's wasting its time by dragging this on. They see it as not the main game, the economy and cost of living being the main focus, and so they believe that the opposition's kind of falling into a cheap sugar hit and losing sight of the bigger issues which can turn into a sustained political argument argument against labor.
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Speaker 1: Paul, do you get any sense how the labor women are feeling about because we saw so many come out this week and you know, try mounted defense of the Prime minister, but it must be uncomfortable.
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Speaker 19: I do feel sorry for Tanya Plibersek, the Social Services Minister, who for the second Monday in the space of about a month, was forced to she has a regular slot on Sunrise with Barnaby Joyce. On the Monday be the first Labor woman to mount a what looked like a very impassioned defense of the Prime Minister, suggesting that he didn't mean what people, or at least his critics, believe that he meant. She looked to believe what she was saying plisec so if she didn't, it was a fantastic lie. I think that Look, everyone is squeamish talking about this. People understand what the public perception is. But there are people in labor, some people in labor at least who do genuinely believe the Prime Minister that he didn't mean.
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Speaker 10: He didn't mean to go along with the jokes.
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Speaker 6: At a minimum, though the.
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Speaker 19: Podcast host was certainly making lud remarks or suggesting crude double entendres, and so at a minute he could have said sorry, I'm not going to engage in that.
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Speaker 1: Now she's revealed she slipped into his DMS. That's how she got the interview. So this will be the next saga. Paula want to turn to the internal division in the coalition. Of course, Angus Taylor has given Andrew Bragg a talking to after he went rogue this week at the Press Club. I mean, with the coalition sitting on around twenty percent in the polls, disunity would be the last thing they want.
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Speaker 19: Agree However, the Coalition, and they say this themselves, has been in deep opposition now for about four years and barely let a month run where it wasn't talking about discipline and actually allowed some free flowing debate about what the party stands for. And you talk to people on the right of the Liberal Party, Tony Abbott and Peter Credlin, you talk to people on the left of the Liberal Party, they all say the same thing. The party needs to understand what it's for. And so Andrew Bragg was reckless, he was careless. He could have gone about this through proper process, and he should have been reprimanded in private about those things. But I'd point to Matt Canavan, the Nationals leader who I was just chatting to outside here, who handled this I think in a far more wise way than Angus Taylor and James Patterson did publicly today. He said, look, we're the party of individualism with a party of ideas. Andrew Bragg was arguing for a more right wing, free market conservative manifesto and economics than anyone on the right of the Liberal Party has for a long time. These are ideas that the Liberal Party believe in. Yes, he didn't follow a proper process, but by Angus Taylor and James Patterson reprimanding him as firmly as they did this morning, they've turned it into a It turned it into a story of destabilization and leadership contest.
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Speaker 10: And what does it point to.
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Speaker 19: It points to the deep paranoia and personality differences that still rack the Liberal Party. They've had leadership turmoil for years and years. People don't trust one another, and so even when a shadow minister is trying to have a crack, even if he's done so in a hand fisted way, it turns into a leadership story.
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Speaker 1: And that's one thing. One thing at least anyway, the Albanezy government has done remarkably well. I mean they have been so unified you think it's really ed husick. Maybe a couple of others every now and then, you know, say something different, but very rare to get disunity within the alban Ezy government. Despite what they've got ninety plus MP's it's kind of extraordinary.
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Speaker 19: It's it's the prime minister's key asset and he knows it. And so that even when there's a really uncomfortable story like Melngate, if I'd be so brave enough to call it that, he knows that his caucus will remain, will stick fat and when there's a little moment of outbreak of disunity, he's shrewd enough to shut it down. It's the government's key asset.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Paul, thanks so much for your analysis.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. And still to come the.
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Speaker 1: University professor advocating for child marriage and why the Prime Minister should stop boasting about falling house prices. Tom Panis joins me at the desk after the break.
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Speaker 2: Great to have your company.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 1: A and Z is the latest bank to warn about the drop in mortgage applications. They're report today showing a twelve percent fall since the government announced it's sweeping changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax. To discuss this free fall is auctioneer and property expert Tom Panas. Tom, thanks for your time again, Thank.
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Speaker 15: You, Chary.
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Speaker 1: Now, A and Z follows Westpac, which reported a twenty percent fall in homeland applications CBA fifteen percent. Now you've been feeling this and talking about this year on the ground for months.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's no surprise. I mean we've been seeing this at a grassroots level. You can see how many people are actually wanting to buy a house and how many people are bidding. First time buyers are worried about going in because they're thinking, if I buy, even though it might look like it's good value, it's probably going to drop and I'm going to go negative. Equity investors Shari, Well, they got all that wrong. The government thought they were going to get the investors to move from existing properties and buy new properties, but the investors have said none, no, no, bye bye, We're out of here. So that doesn't surprise me whatsoever. And there's hesitance in the market. So those numbers from the banks mirror with what's going out on the ground.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially you know when people when their homes are their main asset and they're worried about selling for less than they might have done six months ago.
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Speaker 15: Correct, And Charie, the other thing that we don't take into account is a thing called how rich you feel? The wealth effect when people are told your house is worth less money, they go inward. They think I'm poorer, and they don't spend as much money going out, and that is not a good thing either.
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Speaker 1: Now, just looking at the first home buyers, Now, the whole idea of this from the federal government was to get housing more affordable for first home buyers. But you're saying the price point hasn't actually fallen.
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Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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Speaker 15: Look, Shari, there's three price points in realist high end, medium, low end. High has fallen, medium has fallen, and the lower point has not really fallen at all, and in some instances has gone up because of that five percent deposit scheme. This is actually totally against what the government wanted to do. What they wanted to do is to help first home buyers. They in fact haven't done that. What they've actually done is helped people upgrade from a three million dollar property to a seven million dollar property because the changeover figure is smaller. So I'm not quite sure whether that was the plan. I think that they wanted to help young people, that's what they were saying, but that hasn't been the case.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for votes, for political reasons. I mean, that's an absolute disaster. I mean, the whole thing is really it's such a mess. I want to ask you about how you think this would then therefore be impacting on state revenue as we know stamp duty collected by the state governments.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: So in some states New South Wales example, twenty five percent of its revenue comes from stamp duties. And now that these transactions are not happening, obviously Min's and the other premiers around the country are going to start saying, hang on a second here, our budgets are being impacted. And there was a report two days ago that both Queensland and New South Wales would be regraded financially because of this.
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Speaker 1: Such a worry if that happens a Tom, you were in New Zealand this week and I haven't looked at your report while you were there.
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Speaker 15: As I walk around the streets of Wellington, I see empty shops for lease, science businesses doing a tough, abandoned shops and a property market that's been smashed by thirty percent. I wish the Political Party of Australia came and did a three day excursion here.
00:43:39
Speaker 1: Yes, so, Tom, should Wellington be a warning sign to Australia about government overreach.
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Speaker 15: I think Anthony Alberaniz and doctor Chalmers should take a flight across the Tasman and go and have a look at what happened in twenty twenty one. This legislation was brought into New Zealand and what we saw was the rents go up. We saw the whole place get capitulated. Property prices have dropped by thirty percent there. So I'm one million dollar house now three years later seven hundred thousand dollars. They have reversed it in recent times, but I'm concerned. We don't want Australia to go down the path of what's happened with Wellington, and we're beginning to see it with these interest rate rises. Because interest rate risers were the thing that really topped they're off in New Zealand, particularly Wellington. So it is concerning. It is concerning. I must say. The one thing that we have got in Australia at the moment is unemployment is not high. And I think what's protecting us Shahi is that there's going to come a point where an owner's going to say, well, I'm not forced to sell, so I'm not going to sell, and if they don't sell, it doesn't actually set a precedence with a price point. That's the thing that's saving us. But I still got concerns about the first home buyers and negative equity very quickly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got auctions on Saturday down again.
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Speaker 15: They are down again. Auction volumes are down, and I think some properties are moving towards private treaty because people are not feeling confident about option, hoping it's going to be a better spring. But at this stage, thanks so much for being here, Tom, Thank you.
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Speaker 10: Shari still to come.
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Speaker 1: A former Terror group supporter has been hired by one of the world's most elite universities. That's after the break.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 1: A former supporter of Terror group his Bootteria has been appointed assistant research professor at Cambridge University. Farah Ahmed has outrageously criticized British schools for teaching that child marriage is wrong, and to discuss. Chief economist at the IPA, Adam Crichton joins me, Now, Adam, what can you tell me about this academic.
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Speaker 20: Well, it's just outrageous really that she's been appointed to this position. She's argued that teaching English is the most dangerous of all disciplines because it encourages competition, apparently and also individualism, things apparently that Islam does not approve of. I mean, she's been on the record for many, many years, and she saying crazy and outrageous things. I would argue that western civilized aas of cancer.
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Speaker 8: That it's disgusting.
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Speaker 20: She's even you know, she's received hundreds of thousands of pounds from the British government since two thousand and two, even running schools, public schools I believe, or at least schools that are subsidized by the government, and she's managed to find herself in this very senior prophetsorial position at what is arguably the most prestigious university in the UK. I mean, you know, she's tacitly being endorsed by the British government. That's a university is that is heavily subsidized by British taxpayers.
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Speaker 8: So I mean, the whole situation is.
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Speaker 20: Just an outrage and I think really that Cambridge needs to have an audit I would say now of its academics, given there are these two cases just in recent weeks that are just completely outrageous.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Adam, you went to one of these elite British universities. I think you were at ox I mean, but what does it say about these universities that they've changed so much that they're hiring people like this.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, look, it's pretty shocking. Twenty five years ago. I was at Oxford for a few years and look, it was left wing.
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Speaker 20: I mean, let's face it, most academics are pretty left wing, and that's fine, I suppose to an extent, but they weren't massively against Western civilization. And I certainly can't imagine, you know that a professor like this would have been appointed at either university back then. So, you know, I think it's a sign of our civilization's lack of confidence. We no longer have the courage of our convictions. It's very sad to see. And I hope that there's a community pushback against this, and like I said, that there is some sort of audit. It's just a shameful situation that this woman is being subsidized.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to turn to the economy the IBA Governor Michelle Bullock, this worn't this week wand about the low productivity. I mean, what needs to be done this is quite dian Ou.
00:47:41
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, look, it's been very bad for some time.
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Speaker 20: But look, I'd just be happy if the federal government focused on reducing insanity and not increasing productivity.
00:47:51
Speaker 8: I mean, we've had the situation.
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Speaker 20: Now where they're spending billions of taxpayers dollars to force soul and wind power into the grid, and that of course puts smelt out of business, that puts steel works out of business, and then they come along and spend even more billions to bail them out. That's obviously shocking for productivity. And you've got the workforce. You know, job's growth is all in sectors, largely government supported sectors, the so called care economy, which are extremely unproductive. So so of course you're going to have a national slide in the figures. So look, I just think the bottom line is govern needs to get out of the way and that households and businesses make their own decisions about spending money, and then you'll get better productivity. I mean government spending, Remember, it's spending other people's money on other people.
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Speaker 8: It's a very inefficient way of doing things.
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Speaker 20: If you spend your own money, then you know what you want and you're worried about cost. So you know, the larger government is the west productive society is going to be.
00:48:41
Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
00:48:43
Speaker 1: I want to turn to the Victorian state government now, tell us about this treaty body and how much they're spending to hire a new chief executive.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 20: Look, this is just outrageous, totally obscene really from Ben Carroll, the new premier here, you know, who's out there saying that he's going to support integrity in spending an efficiency and you've got a four hundred and seventy thousand dollars salary for the head of this so called treaty body, which has some weird.
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Speaker 8: Name that no one can actually pronounce ger and wel or something.
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Speaker 20: And you know, this is a state where people voted sixty forty just a few years ago explicitly against a body like this, a body which has already cost well over one hundred million dollars and setting it up, and the ongoing costs I think you're going to be seventy to one hundred million dollars every year. And this is a state with two hundred billion dollars of debt, right, I mean, it's completely outrageous. I mean, if you wanted to make a good decision to try to get in November.
00:49:32
Speaker 8: He should knock the whole thing on their head.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you need to get into that Treasury department there, Adam and fix it all up. Thanks, good to see you again. Thanks for your time, all right, and thanks everyone so much for your company this week.
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Speaker 2: It's been a fun week.
00:49:45
Speaker 1: I hope we don't have to talk about melons next week, but for now, here's Paul Murray.
Speaker 1: Evening massive show tonight, the Prime Minister prepares to celebrate surpassing Paul Keating's time as Prime minister. But I'll take a look at how their records compare. I mean, Paul Keating gave the Redfern address, alber Easy spoke about shagging Kylie Minogue. Plus I'll reveal just how many child sex offenders and criminals have been allowed to stay in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Despite not being citizens.
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Speaker 1: That exclusive story with Jonathan Dunham soon and Pauline Hanson accuses Chris Kenny of a gotcha question after she fails to name world leaders.
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Speaker 3: What about the Prime Minister of Japan?
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Speaker 2: She's I can't say, I.
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Speaker 3: Can't remember her name either.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll ask Matt Canavan if he thinks that question is fair. And In serious news, schoolboys in an elite Sydney private school have been charged with the rape of a teenage girl.
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Speaker 2: Those details coming up.
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Speaker 1: But first, Anthony Albanesi surpasses Paul Keating tomorrow in the number of days served as Prime minister. That's one thousand, five hundred.
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Speaker 2: And forty four long days.
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Speaker 1: In fact, only three Labor prime ministers have served longer. Andrew Fisher who led for four years and ten months, Bob Hawk, who was PM for eight years and nine months, and Ben Schiffley who served for four years and five months. So tomorrow Albanezi becomes the fourth longest serving Labor PM and this will no doubt be a cause for celebration in Albanese's mind. At least as far as I'm concerned, there's not much for Australia to celebrate. An Albanese's record hardly holds up against keatings. Keating's reforms transformed our nation for the better. He introduced compulsory superannuation, requiring employers to contribute to their employees' retirement savings. He oversaw the Native Title Act of nineteen ninety three after the High Court's Marbo decision. Along with Hawk, Keating floated the Australian dollar and was responsible for financial deregulation, tariff reductions, and opened Australia to international capital and competition. He also forged deeper ties with Asia and elevated APEX into a leader's level forum. But Paul Keating's impact went far beyond economic reform. He demonstrated genuine moral leadership. For example, famously in his nineteen ninety two, Red Fern speech on Indigenous reconciliation.
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Speaker 4: The problem starts with us, the non Aboriginal Australians. It begins, I think with an act of recognition, recognition that it was we who did the dispossessing.
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Speaker 1: It's the sort of speech we need about anti semitism today. Then there was his eulogy of the Unknown Australian Soldier on eleventh of November ninety three.
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Speaker 5: We do not know this Australian's name, and we never will. We do not know his rank or his battalion. We do not know where he was born, or precisely how and when he died.
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Speaker 1: There was also his True Believer's Election night victory speech in March ninety three. And then there was his wit, his brutal cutting lines in Parliament like this.
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Speaker 4: He couldn't sustain the spaces. It was like being flogged with a warm letters, a blog with a warm letters.
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Speaker 3: Why won't you call an early election? Because I won slowly? I want to.
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Speaker 4: Mean, I mean, he's going, mister speaker, mister speaker, he's going trop oil, going chop o.
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Speaker 6: He's more to be pity than despised.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were about John Houston, but he was equally devastating about his other rivals.
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Speaker 7: Brian Berg saw Kevin Rudd coming and he played him like a piano.
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Speaker 8: For Old Costello.
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Speaker 3: He's all tip and.
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Speaker 8: No Iceberg give give.
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Speaker 1: And of course Keating famously called the unruly senate unrepresentative swill Well. Alberize's record hardly compares with the great Keating. You can barely out of their names in the same breath. Where Keating was a brilliant visionary with devastating wit, Albanizi is beije and managerial, utterly lacking in intellect, and a bit of a plot. For Albanzi, the list runs a mile long for all the things we should not be celebrating about his record, So let's look at what he'll actually be remembered for. Devastating the economy with fifteen interest rate rises, terrible inflation, and a cost of living crisis, all.
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Speaker 2: On his watch.
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Speaker 1: He failed with his ill thought out voice referendum, setting back the Indigenous community for decades, tax hikes that we never voted for that have caused a housing market crunch, rampant anti business policies driving entrepreneurs offshore, soaring immigration levels that have led to the rise of one nation, the collapse of social cohesion, including the anti Semitism crisis, and of course, the worst terror attack in Australia's history happened under Albanese's watch after his failure of leadership in the two years before that.
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Speaker 2: And while as I just showed.
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Speaker 1: You, Keating gave some of history's greatest orations from alban Easy we get remarks like this.
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Speaker 9: The Bonkan light rabbits.
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Speaker 7: Well, you know, when we have time after the footy, after the forty, it's always a good aphrodisiac at souse win.
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Speaker 1: He'll also be remembered for his broken promises, from power prices to the tax.
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Speaker 7: Changes, reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars. Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and capital gains tests? How hard is it for the fiftieth time we have changed our position.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are plenty more broken promises. Then there are the lies from the minor, like I didn't fall off the stage, to the major, like dismissing the return of Isis Brides as a false story.
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Speaker 10: Stepped off the stage.
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Speaker 7: I didn't fall over on my backside. I commit here that every single year. As that I have the great honor to be Australia as Prime Minister, I will be here. You know what, Hamish, I haven't had a day off all year.
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Speaker 11: What actions has your government taken to guarantee the safety of Australians if these people return?
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Speaker 3: Those reports are not accurate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so alban Ezy will likely celebrate his so called achievement of surpassing Keating's time as Prime Minister with a string of media appearances.
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Speaker 2: And accolades from France.
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Speaker 1: But we have to think back to what Keating once said. He said, leadership, after all, is about two things, imagination and courage, and we all know too well that our current Prime minister possesses neither. We've gone from a true believer to a true achiever and our nation is the worse for it. We now for some shocking news. Three boys have been charged over the alleged sexual assault of a girl in Sydney's Eastern suburbs. One thirteen year old and two fourteen year olds who attend the prestigious Scots College allegedly sexually assaulted a fourteen year old girl in an alleyway on July twenty second. Police executed search warrants at the three teenagers' homes, and all were arrested today and granted bail. The school has so far declined to say whether it will suspend the three students, but it told The Herald that the alleged attack occurred outside school hours, and the school's principal, doctor Ian Lambert, said, I recognize that news of this nature may cause concern within our community and appreciate that parents may have questions. If there's further information appropriate for the college to share, we will do so. It's an awful story, and of course we'll keep you across's developments as they come. Now, Pauline Hansen has accused my friend and colleague Chris Kenny of a gotcha question.
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Speaker 12: Now.
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Speaker 1: Chris interviewed Pauline for his upcoming documentary The Fight for the Right, and in a discussion about foreign policy, he asked if she knew the names of several world leaders.
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Speaker 13: If you were prime minister, you'd have to get involved in a lot of foreign policy. All prime ministers do. You'd have to engage with our region. How would you go engaging with Southeast Asia in particular?
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Speaker 3: Oh, no problem. So if you became prime minister.
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Speaker 13: Wouldn't you want to visit Jakata fairly quickly and meet with the president there.
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Speaker 5: I don't have it.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd.
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Speaker 13: Say one of in Indonesia one of our most important partners.
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Speaker 1: It is one of our most important partners, Chris and I.
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Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that. Do you know who the president is?
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Speaker 6: No?
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Speaker 1: I don't know his name.
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Speaker 2: I can't remember his name.
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Speaker 13: You can't remember the name of the President of Indonesia Indonesia, No, I can't.
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Speaker 3: What about the Prime Minister of Japan, she's.
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Speaker 2: I can't say.
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Speaker 3: I can't remember her name either.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, you could tell us who the president of China is shipping. That's one out of three. This will be a big learning curve for you, wouldn't they?
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I know her name.
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Speaker 2: Do I a member of Japanese name?
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Speaker 14: No?
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Speaker 1: I don't.
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Speaker 2: I'm in a position. I'm not Prime Minister, am I?
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Speaker 1: So that's from Chris's documentary Amazing interview. Well, then last night Pauline went on Chris's show and accused him of asking her a gotcha question, but then she admitted that she still didn't know who the President of Indonesia is. Chris, and I'll tell the people now. I don't know if you're going to put it in the interview, but you attempted to get me on a gotcha moment.
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Speaker 13: There was plenty in that interview, and there'll be plenty in the documentary, and there's certainly wasn't much there that could be called gotcha.
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Speaker 10: But given you mentioned those questions.
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Speaker 6: Have you brushed up? Have you found out who the.
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Speaker 3: President of Indonesia is?
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Speaker 15: No?
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Speaker 1: I haven't, Chris, Oh dear, why do I need to?
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Speaker 2: Oh dear? Not ideal?
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Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss as Nationals leader Matt Canavan, Matt, great to see you again. Well, look, Pauline Hansen wants to be Prime minister. That's how she's positioning herself. So do you think this line of questioning is legitimate or do you agree with her that it's a gotcha question?
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Speaker 16: Look, Shari, I think any question is legitimate to an electoral representative. I don't think it's the biggest deal in the world, but no doubt. I think what I'm much more interested is to know is what would paul In Hansen, Sir, my nation's policy be towards countries in our region rather than the answers to pop quizzes, so much more important to know how you'd approach the world in our relationships. One criticism I have is that our nation's discussion narrative down here in Canberra, we rarely ever hear anything about Indonesia, rarely ever hear anything indeed about the region we actually exist. And we hear a lot about US politics, a lot about European politics. But the most probably important country next to us, It is our closest neighbor. I think in some areas it's close between it and pub New Guinea. We don't hear much about it, and it's the fourth most populous country in the world. They're stealing our industry right now. I speak about Indonesia all the time, but it just really frustrates me that not many people take it up.
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Speaker 6: They're stealing our nickel industry.
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Speaker 16: That stole our nickel industry because they're building cold fired powerstations and we are not. They're on track to take over our mini industry. The two and a half billion bailout we gave to Tomago today, a big part of that is because countries like Indonesia are aggressively expanding into eliminium markets. They're not held back by the insane idea of net zero. They just get on with it and deliver cheap power to heavy industry. And they're stealing our lunch because of it. Maybe we should pay a bit more attention and to the design to prevail our subianto.
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Speaker 6: He said this, he said this, when.
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Speaker 1: He got there, you go, there, you go.
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Speaker 6: You just helped out, just helped.
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Speaker 1: Out, said the name of the intonesiastries.
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Speaker 6: We should listen a bit more to him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, speaking of one Nation, there were some ugly scenes at the anti one Nation student protests around Australia today. This is right across the country now. Thousands of teenagers, university students walked out of school only to herl abuse at Pauline Hansen. One moment got very ugly when protesters took the microphone from our News twenty four reporter Georgie Dickison.
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Speaker 10: Less sentiment to where Caser is in?
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Speaker 1: All right, and so while we're talking now, Matt, we're going to show you this incredible new footage. We might bring it up now as on the screen. It's a amazing new footage. AVI Yemeny's team took this. You can see Georgie Dickerson running down the street chasing the attacker. If we can play that again. She's in the black coat. The man who stole not attacker, but the man who took her microphone is in the blue hood. She runs down and chases him and then she kind of grabs him from the behind to stop him continuing.
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Speaker 2: It's amazing, amazing footage.
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Speaker 1: Then what you're looking at now, those big men, that's av Yemeny's security team. He needs six security and they step in and they actually retrieve the microphone for her. If maybe, if we can just play the beginning bit of that again, because it's just incredible how she Yeah, look at her running down the street.
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Speaker 2: Amazing.
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Speaker 1: I'm in awe of how she how she acted, and then she kind of grabs him from behind. Look at that, Matt, Matt, this is this is amazing courage from her.
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Speaker 16: You took the words out of my mouth, Charry. She deserves an award of some kind. That's an amazing piece of journalism. And there you say bravery and good on her. I think all of these students deserve to be detention.
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Speaker 6: Or ground that.
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Speaker 16: I don't know what the punishment is in schools these days. That should happen. You just should turn up a school. If you don't, you should pay some punishment. And that particular individual, well, something should be elevated more higher than that. You can't go around stealing people's stuff on the street and there should be action.
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Speaker 6: The reason we've had I think.
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Speaker 16: An unfortunate outbreak of hate, of violent speech and ultimately culminating in very violent conduct BONDI there tragically is because we haven't enforced the laws we have at a small scale. We let small things go through to the keeper and that builds up into much much bigger things. So there should be a response here for that kind of conduct. The school should respond to their own students and show some discipline there. And that individual, as I say, deserves tougher sanctions.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And the issue is that probably a lot of the teachers would be encouraging the students to leave school and go to the protest. I mean, there's so many activist teachers around, which is part.
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Speaker 2: Of the issue.
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Speaker 1: Matt. I've been really keen all day to hear your thoughts and this announcement by Albanisi and Chris Men's the New Southerwist Premier earlier. Today, tax payers are set to pay two and a half billion dollars over the next decade to bail out Australia's largest aluminium smelter. So I mean, this does employ one thousand people. I mean, but the issue is these endless subsidies.
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Speaker 2: What do you think.
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Speaker 6: Well, look, we need to save these jobs.
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Speaker 16: I don't want to see them go, but we cannot cannot have a long term healthy industry based on life support. The government's agenda, it's energy agenda, it's net zero agenda, has led to a situation we are once proud factories and smelters having to survive a check to government, check to government check on life support just to stay alive. This deal today cost two and a half billion dollars going to Rio Tinto. It follows another deal at the Glads and smelt a few months ago of two billion dollars. So four and a half billion dollars of your money going to one of the biggest companies in the world, Rio Tinto. All up, the government has given seven points seven billion dollars to other smelters and factories as well of your money to prop up its failing net zero agenda. So the net zero agenda is now costing us at least two ways. We are paying through the roof with our power bills. They're going up, and now we're having to pay high taxes to keep manufacturing jobs here which used to survive when they just use cold fired power. These smelters have always been powered and fueled with cold fired power. To make one more point, Sharry, give in mind, this money is going to build wind, solar and batteries so that Rio can say they're using green power. Do you know there's nothing stopping Rio tinto using col fired power to fill up the battery. Then go and use that power from the battery and turn around and say we're using green power, aren't goody, good boystrial energy washing on a large scale.
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Speaker 1: Matt Canavan, always love having you on the show, Thank you so much. Or Angus Taylor's media director, Caine Silom has been caught on camera snapping at a Channel ten reporter who asked about the YEKAC inquiry.
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Speaker 14: Are exact, Seriously, that's a freaking straight well ask me questions about I can get and he's answered them.
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Speaker 1: But it's not only Angus Taylor's media team that's been pretty touchy with the media. Pauline Hanson has banned several media outlets from her press conferences and she won't engage with some journalists at all.
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Speaker 2: To discuss this.
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Speaker 1: Is my panel former Labor State Secretary Camer Milner and former New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott. Great to see you both that Cameron's starting with you. Do you think both Angus Taylor and Pauline Hanson are just being too sensitive to questions or criticism?
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Speaker 8: Well, there're being a bit precious, aren't they mean?
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Speaker 17: Look, Pauline should let Guardian readers actually have to listen to Pauline Hanson. I think that would be a gift from Pauline to the Guardian viewers and readers. But to Taylor's stuff, what a glass jaw, What a glass jaw? I mean, David, you know you've been the victim of shit sheets, disgusting shit sheets in New South Wales politics and it should be fully investigated by IKAK because if there were factual warriors using you know, developer money from a Libertese guy who's actually on the run, or from Dominic Perrete's brother who's still in the field in Fiji because of the authorities can't get to him. Then it's a dirty, dirty secret. And Mcinernie Dallas mcinnie has given evidence to say that Angus Taylor had lunch with him, he says, give it evidence to say that he that Angus Taylor promised him money fifteen thousand dollars and three thousand dollars a month. So so let's follow the money, let's follow the trail, and let's have the questions asked. If Angus Taylor has nothing to hide and he has nothing to fear, he should actually be upfront with the Australian people and not have his press secretary, you know, Demean Journo doing the job and asking the right questions.
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Speaker 1: Well, Angus Taylor has denied the allegations. He's denied that any payments were made, and we haven't seen any evidence to the contrary. So if the inquiry finishes and there is no evidence of the country, then once again it'll be IKAK smearing good reputations, as it has done so many times before.
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Speaker 2: But you know, David, to.
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Speaker 1: The point of, you know, the sensitivity around the media, I mean, I'm trying to remember, I don't think we've had any run ins, but you must have lost it at reporters over the years when they're asking questions.
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Speaker 9: I have, and I'm still apologizing to Alex Smith at the City Morning Herald, but most of those done off off camera, off camera, and certainly never live. I mean, I probably did have a short answer to a few people, but that just does go to show how much pressure Angus Taylor is under. And I think that's very sad, and I think it's unprofessional and it will look bad to the coalition because when you start behaving like that makes people think, rightly or wrongly, that you are trying to you are trying to hide something.
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Speaker 2: Are you being pretty sensitive about it? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Well, I spoke earlier in the show about how the Prime Minister will tomorrow become the fourth longest serving prime minister in history, Cameron surpassing Keating's record, or Cameron would love as a labor guy, as a senior labor guy, to hear what you think about how their records compare.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 17: I love your compare the pair at the start of the program. But the one that I thought was one that we could add to the list was that Paul Keating warned about Australia becoming a Banana republic, and Albow is delivering us into being a banana republic. I mean a trillion dollars weather dead, no productivity, massive taxes and massive spending.
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Speaker 12: I mean Keating was genuinely.
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Speaker 17: Worried about about Nada republic, and Albow on his watch is delivering us one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good point. It's true, David. Their records couldn't be more different.
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Speaker 12: No, they couldn't. But you were very generous.
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Speaker 9: I mean, I grew up in a working class family in Western Sydney and Paul Keating was our local member during the time that we had a recession we had to have, So.
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Speaker 12: I'm yes, he did some good things.
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Speaker 9: He had Often people have said he's the best liberal treasurer we've ever had, certainly up until certainly happened Toil Pedicostello.
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Speaker 12: But I mean, I think you're right.
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Speaker 9: I mean, if you, if you objectively look at the two, Keating could at least hold his head. It didn't in the world on the world stage, held high. But I don't think you can say the same about Albernezi.
00:22:24
Speaker 1: Especially not after this melon saga. What about Melling Gate.
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Speaker 14: I know it.
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Speaker 2: I'm genuinely.
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Speaker 1: As I said it last time, I'm so sick of talking about the Mellons.
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Speaker 2: But Cameron, I'm.
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Speaker 1: Kid keen to hear your thoughts on new Southwist. Premier Chris means having to step in and save the PM from having to answer questions, we might actually have a look at that here it is.
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Speaker 7: I've talked here today, I've talked here today, just mant look, I've answered this question many times. The fact is, well, the fact is the fact is that the Japanese Prime Minister and I have a very good relationship the Japanese. The Japanese ambassador's made very clear statements indeed about how warm our dinner was, and it was indeed it was fent.
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Speaker 3: Go and ask a thousand workers what they care about today. Witness this is the biggest.
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Speaker 12: Announcement to this region in a generation.
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Speaker 3: Can we just talk about it for five.
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Speaker 2: Minutes, right, Cameron? How badly has Albanez he handled this?
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Speaker 12: It's terrible, It's terrible.
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Speaker 17: Yesterday we had a conger light of labor women being Albo's angels, and today we had the news with iles premier having.
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Speaker 12: A land on the grenade.
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Speaker 17: I mean, why can't the bloke just say sorry, I mean sorry for being a dirty old man cracking a really bad joke while trying to flirt with a podcaster. That's what that's what we all saw. I mean, that's what he should apologize for. It was beneath the role of Prime minister. The longer this goes, the more damage he does. And today we had a big announcement saving a thousand jobs with taxpayers money, and it's all about Albow again. Wasn't another another albow stuff up rather than a real announcement and that's the real cost.
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Speaker 1: By the way, that comedian Nikki Osborne, she's now gone on Mark Borris's podcast and said that she got the interview with Albo because she DMed the PM.
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Speaker 2: That's what she said, DM.
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Speaker 1: The PM, David look, should he just apologize.
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Speaker 2: Now and move on?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think you should have been the fact that I mean, Chris Mins tried to step in and look statesman like today. But ALLSI did is make Albo looked like a dribbler. And that's that's I mean.
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Speaker 2: And he was dribbling on.
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Speaker 12: Tinues to dribble over this.
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Speaker 9: But what I mean, Peter Beatty proved that if you if you want to shut down a story, take it one for the team. Just just own it and all the mistakes that I made, you just own it and walk on.
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Speaker 12: And that's what That's all the Prime inters they had to do. But today, if you wanted to see the tail.
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Speaker 9: Between two leaders, you saw Chris Mins in look statesmen like and then but he also at the same time showed the Prime Minister to be just you know, give a bex a headache.
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Speaker 1: Now, one thing that Chris Mens does well is he very easily admits when he's made a mistake.
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Speaker 2: And I think the public love him for that.
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Speaker 12: They do and that and that's that.
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Speaker 9: That is a character fault of the Prime Minister and a character strength of the Prime the premieer of New South Walest.
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Speaker 1: You can probably all learn from Men's, you know, about apologizing quickly, I'm wrong, I'm wrong and then what can people say?
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Speaker 2: Yes, can get on with it?
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Speaker 12: Works at hard.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good to know, David, David Elliott cameraman are great to see you both.
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Speaker 15: Well.
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Speaker 1: Let's turn out to our exclusive story tonight. Let's look at just how many non citizens are being allowed to stay in Australia despite serious criminal convictions and we can exclusively reveal that there's four hundred and seventy five non citizens with criminal convictions here in Australia at the moment.
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Speaker 2: And what's worse, that number include.
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Speaker 1: Sixteen people who've been convicted of a child's sex offense.
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Speaker 2: Now this four hundred and seventy five.
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Speaker 1: They've had their visas counseled, but the Administrative Review Tribunal then overturned these cancelations and shockingly, the Tribunal admitted that there may be other decisions where the Tribunal has set aside visa cancelations of non citizens, but the required level of detail is not captured by their management systems. So pretty serious issue. Criminals convicted of a crime, not Australian citizens, but allowed to remain in the country. Joining me now is Shadow of Home Affairs Minister Jonathan Dunniam who grilled government officials on this. These are the answers that they took on notice. J I mean, why has the tribunal made these decisions?
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Speaker 10: Well, there is no good answer for this.
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Speaker 18: I mean, the reality is, if anyone actually has a beating heart, if they're a parent, if they're a sibling, if they actually care about the security of our country. They would think this is the impossible decision to make to release someone into the community or not revoke their visa cancelation because of a serious conviction, including as you said before, people have committed child sexual offenses. It just makes no sense. There is no world in which this is good. But I expect the problem lies in technicalities at law. We've had lawyers being able to make technical arguments and members of the art have found that they need to make a decision accordingly. This is where a government should step in, and this is where a government should say our laws are deficient and we need to give guidance to members of the Administrative Review Tribunal and say this is the kind of stuff you should not be doing, or indeed work with the opposition, the coalition or willing to strengthen these laws to stop these people from having their visas canceled. You don't belong here, You're not the kind of people we want here and the government should be working to remove them from our country.
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Speaker 2: It's such a.
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Speaker 1: Gift to live in Australia, to live in our country, and to think there's nearly five hundred people who are convicted criminals and including sixteen with convicted of child sex offenses. I mean the issue must be with this tribunal. No, I mean, is the government powerless to act against its decisions?
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Speaker 10: Now they're not. This is the thing. The government is not powerless to act.
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Speaker 18: And there are things called ministerial directions that provide members of the Administrative Review Tribunal some guidance on how to make decisions. And so this is where a minister can say to the tribunal, if someone has these sorts of criminal records, if they've committed this kind of offense, then you must revoke their visa.
00:28:47
Speaker 10: You must uphold our decision and they don't belong here.
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Speaker 18: Again, though, if there are technicalities at law, if the directions, the ministerial directions aren't strong enough, then work with the parliament to part us laws to kick these scumbags out. There's no other way around this. I mean, we are not beholden to quasi judicial or judicial officials. We are not beholden to bureaucrats. People elect parliamentarians, people elect a government. Let's act and change the laws and rules related to how we deal with these sorts of things.
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Speaker 1: You've also discovered that the Home Affairs Department has done no internal assessments or evaluation of the success of de radicalization programs, so they don't know if they're actually working. And you know, of course de radicalization programs are applied to terrorists.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, terrorists and family members of terrorists, people who've just returned from Syria, arsus brides and their children. Of course, remember we talked about it previously, Sharion. You know, we were going to ask politely for those who've returned to Australia in the cohorts of arsus brides and their children to participate in this scheme to d radicalize individuals. Well a, they're not compelled to do so, be we don't know whether these programs are successful. So what are we actually doing at a time when the Royal Commission is on foot and we're dealing with the radical elements of our society and needing to stamp it out and of course prevent it from being imported into our country, we're not doing anything to correct situations where there are people here who do need to be deradicalized. I've never had faith in these programs. We're better off keeping these people out. But the fact that we don't know how well these programs work is more alarming than that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you just mentioned the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 1: We actually heard evidence from Accounted Terrorism Coordinator Brendan Dowling this week and he was warning about some of these programs, saying that they're flawed.
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Speaker 2: Have a look, I.
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Speaker 11: Would say, under that previous program, we weren't able to formulate a clear national picture because the data collection and reporting was variable, patchy, inconsistent.
00:31:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is look at an official analysis or verdict on these programs at the Royal Commission.
00:31:10
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:31:10
Speaker 18: Yet it remains a tool that the government are deploying to deal with this hideous scourge on our society.
00:31:18
Speaker 10: It explains everything.
00:31:19
Speaker 18: And again the fact that they are so at sea on this matter is I think a terrible concern. And look, this is a mister Dowling, of course I greeled at estimates as well, and he is in charge of the section of the Department, the department that didn't know where the arsist brides were they'd been released into the community. So this federal government, this labor government, are not actually hand on the tiller. They don't know what we're doing in this country. They don't know where the risks to our society present. They are not managing actively in any way the people that are potentially going to do harm to our nation.
00:31:57
Speaker 10: So there's a lot that needs to be.
00:31:58
Speaker 18: Fixed here, and we keep bringing it up, We keep asking them to fix it. We keep presenting private members and senators bills, but they keep telling us there's nothing to see here, and they move on. They shut the bake down with the Greens. This is going to end very badly. And I just hope that people sit up and listen when the Royal Commission hands down its findings and where as a country can actually do something meaningful to prevent this sort of stuff from ever happening again.
00:32:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, depending what its findings are, that we will wait and see very quickly, because we are out of time very quickly. Were you surprised to hear your colleague Andrew Bragg set the migration level at one hundred and eighty thousand this week?
00:32:35
Speaker 10: Oh look what Andrew has done.
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Speaker 18: As Andrew does on many things, he is someone who's an active thinker, and he's been talking about this for a long time. He's looking at the broken labor plan when it comes to build houses, the broken migration system, he's worked up his own numbers around this. We will announce a number. One Ady, is not it, But I'm glad he's kicked it into debate because it does show a contrast between where Labour's at with their broken migration system.
00:33:02
Speaker 1: Liver Houses when we're going to get your number.
00:33:06
Speaker 10: Soon, but not tonight, Sherry. I'll give you a number, but more important.
00:33:10
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you is it less than Pauline's figure of one point thirty?
00:33:16
Speaker 18: Again, you know what I'm going to do. Before I give you a number, I'm going to tell you how we got the number. All right, Pauline hasn't told you how she achieved the number. We will and we'll give you the number.
00:33:25
Speaker 10: Promise.
00:33:26
Speaker 1: John, I've got to go. Thanks for your time, and still to come. The university academic who's criticized schools for teaching that child marriage is wrong and Pauline Hanson and the Coalition are teaming up to try and force the Prime Minister to release his correspondence with Japan over the melon saga.
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Speaker 2: That's next.
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Speaker 1: The Senate wants the Albanezy government to produce its correspondence with Japan over the melon saga, an unlikely alliance between the Coalition, the Greens, one Nay and the cross Bench is supporting an order for production of documents and James Patterson led this this afternoon. Were chief political correspondent for nine newspapers, Paul Sakal Jones Me lie from Canberra, Paul, great to see you again. Look, only Labor voted against this, so can we expect the government to produce the letters on Monday?
00:34:22
Speaker 19: The Government, Shari has a track record of been pretty recalcitrant when it comes to some of these orders to produce documents, although on this one, most of.
00:34:32
Speaker 10: It I think is out there already.
00:34:34
Speaker 19: I think the full text has been reported by media outlets, including ours, so it may well be that they're willing to hand these ones over.
00:34:42
Speaker 1: I mean, if the government does do this on Monday, or even if it doesn't, I mean it looks like this melngate is going to roll into week two.
00:34:52
Speaker 10: It probably will.
00:34:54
Speaker 19: It's obviously a point of sensitivity for the Prime Minister. He's found all different kinds of ways this week to avoid questions.
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Speaker 10: When Mary Aldrew, the Liberal.
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Speaker 19: Backbencher, got up for her second question, I think it was on Tuesday in question time, the Prime minister, who is as widely as they come in relation to parliamentary procedures, saw her step up and quickly got his documents in order and called for an end of question time. Chris Min's, as your viewers would know, stepped in today, so he doesn't want to talk about it. But on the other hand, and I talked to quite a few labor people about this today, even the few back even the minority of backbenchers who are quite critical of the Prime Minister and wish he would just make an apology and move on. They as well believe that the opposition's wasting its time by dragging this on. They see it as not the main game, the economy and cost of living being the main focus, and so they believe that the opposition's kind of falling into a cheap sugar hit and losing sight of the bigger issues which can turn into a sustained political argument argument against labor.
00:35:57
Speaker 1: Paul, do you get any sense how the labor women are feeling about because we saw so many come out this week and you know, try mounted defense of the Prime minister, but it must be uncomfortable.
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Speaker 19: I do feel sorry for Tanya Plibersek, the Social Services Minister, who for the second Monday in the space of about a month, was forced to she has a regular slot on Sunrise with Barnaby Joyce. On the Monday be the first Labor woman to mount a what looked like a very impassioned defense of the Prime Minister, suggesting that he didn't mean what people, or at least his critics, believe that he meant. She looked to believe what she was saying plisec so if she didn't, it was a fantastic lie. I think that Look, everyone is squeamish talking about this. People understand what the public perception is. But there are people in labor, some people in labor at least who do genuinely believe the Prime Minister that he didn't mean.
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Speaker 10: He didn't mean to go along with the jokes.
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Speaker 6: At a minimum, though the.
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Speaker 19: Podcast host was certainly making lud remarks or suggesting crude double entendres, and so at a minute he could have said sorry, I'm not going to engage in that.
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Speaker 1: Now she's revealed she slipped into his DMS. That's how she got the interview. So this will be the next saga. Paula want to turn to the internal division in the coalition. Of course, Angus Taylor has given Andrew Bragg a talking to after he went rogue this week at the Press Club. I mean, with the coalition sitting on around twenty percent in the polls, disunity would be the last thing they want.
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Speaker 19: Agree However, the Coalition, and they say this themselves, has been in deep opposition now for about four years and barely let a month run where it wasn't talking about discipline and actually allowed some free flowing debate about what the party stands for. And you talk to people on the right of the Liberal Party, Tony Abbott and Peter Credlin, you talk to people on the left of the Liberal Party, they all say the same thing. The party needs to understand what it's for. And so Andrew Bragg was reckless, he was careless. He could have gone about this through proper process, and he should have been reprimanded in private about those things. But I'd point to Matt Canavan, the Nationals leader who I was just chatting to outside here, who handled this I think in a far more wise way than Angus Taylor and James Patterson did publicly today. He said, look, we're the party of individualism with a party of ideas. Andrew Bragg was arguing for a more right wing, free market conservative manifesto and economics than anyone on the right of the Liberal Party has for a long time. These are ideas that the Liberal Party believe in. Yes, he didn't follow a proper process, but by Angus Taylor and James Patterson reprimanding him as firmly as they did this morning, they've turned it into a It turned it into a story of destabilization and leadership contest.
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Speaker 10: And what does it point to.
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Speaker 19: It points to the deep paranoia and personality differences that still rack the Liberal Party. They've had leadership turmoil for years and years. People don't trust one another, and so even when a shadow minister is trying to have a crack, even if he's done so in a hand fisted way, it turns into a leadership story.
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Speaker 1: And that's one thing. One thing at least anyway, the Albanezy government has done remarkably well. I mean they have been so unified you think it's really ed husick. Maybe a couple of others every now and then, you know, say something different, but very rare to get disunity within the alban Ezy government. Despite what they've got ninety plus MP's it's kind of extraordinary.
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Speaker 19: It's it's the prime minister's key asset and he knows it. And so that even when there's a really uncomfortable story like Melngate, if I'd be so brave enough to call it that, he knows that his caucus will remain, will stick fat and when there's a little moment of outbreak of disunity, he's shrewd enough to shut it down. It's the government's key asset.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Paul, thanks so much for your analysis.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. And still to come the.
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Speaker 1: University professor advocating for child marriage and why the Prime Minister should stop boasting about falling house prices. Tom Panis joins me at the desk after the break.
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Speaker 2: Great to have your company.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 1: A and Z is the latest bank to warn about the drop in mortgage applications. They're report today showing a twelve percent fall since the government announced it's sweeping changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax. To discuss this free fall is auctioneer and property expert Tom Panas. Tom, thanks for your time again, Thank.
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Speaker 15: You, Chary.
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Speaker 1: Now, A and Z follows Westpac, which reported a twenty percent fall in homeland applications CBA fifteen percent. Now you've been feeling this and talking about this year on the ground for months.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's no surprise. I mean we've been seeing this at a grassroots level. You can see how many people are actually wanting to buy a house and how many people are bidding. First time buyers are worried about going in because they're thinking, if I buy, even though it might look like it's good value, it's probably going to drop and I'm going to go negative. Equity investors Shari, Well, they got all that wrong. The government thought they were going to get the investors to move from existing properties and buy new properties, but the investors have said none, no, no, bye bye, We're out of here. So that doesn't surprise me whatsoever. And there's hesitance in the market. So those numbers from the banks mirror with what's going out on the ground.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially you know when people when their homes are their main asset and they're worried about selling for less than they might have done six months ago.
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Speaker 15: Correct, And Charie, the other thing that we don't take into account is a thing called how rich you feel? The wealth effect when people are told your house is worth less money, they go inward. They think I'm poorer, and they don't spend as much money going out, and that is not a good thing either.
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Speaker 1: Now, just looking at the first home buyers, Now, the whole idea of this from the federal government was to get housing more affordable for first home buyers. But you're saying the price point hasn't actually fallen.
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Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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Speaker 15: Look, Shari, there's three price points in realist high end, medium, low end. High has fallen, medium has fallen, and the lower point has not really fallen at all, and in some instances has gone up because of that five percent deposit scheme. This is actually totally against what the government wanted to do. What they wanted to do is to help first home buyers. They in fact haven't done that. What they've actually done is helped people upgrade from a three million dollar property to a seven million dollar property because the changeover figure is smaller. So I'm not quite sure whether that was the plan. I think that they wanted to help young people, that's what they were saying, but that hasn't been the case.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for votes, for political reasons. I mean, that's an absolute disaster. I mean, the whole thing is really it's such a mess. I want to ask you about how you think this would then therefore be impacting on state revenue as we know stamp duty collected by the state governments.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: So in some states New South Wales example, twenty five percent of its revenue comes from stamp duties. And now that these transactions are not happening, obviously Min's and the other premiers around the country are going to start saying, hang on a second here, our budgets are being impacted. And there was a report two days ago that both Queensland and New South Wales would be regraded financially because of this.
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Speaker 1: Such a worry if that happens a Tom, you were in New Zealand this week and I haven't looked at your report while you were there.
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Speaker 15: As I walk around the streets of Wellington, I see empty shops for lease, science businesses doing a tough, abandoned shops and a property market that's been smashed by thirty percent. I wish the Political Party of Australia came and did a three day excursion here.
00:43:39
Speaker 1: Yes, so, Tom, should Wellington be a warning sign to Australia about government overreach.
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Speaker 15: I think Anthony Alberaniz and doctor Chalmers should take a flight across the Tasman and go and have a look at what happened in twenty twenty one. This legislation was brought into New Zealand and what we saw was the rents go up. We saw the whole place get capitulated. Property prices have dropped by thirty percent there. So I'm one million dollar house now three years later seven hundred thousand dollars. They have reversed it in recent times, but I'm concerned. We don't want Australia to go down the path of what's happened with Wellington, and we're beginning to see it with these interest rate rises. Because interest rate risers were the thing that really topped they're off in New Zealand, particularly Wellington. So it is concerning. It is concerning. I must say. The one thing that we have got in Australia at the moment is unemployment is not high. And I think what's protecting us Shahi is that there's going to come a point where an owner's going to say, well, I'm not forced to sell, so I'm not going to sell, and if they don't sell, it doesn't actually set a precedence with a price point. That's the thing that's saving us. But I still got concerns about the first home buyers and negative equity very quickly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got auctions on Saturday down again.
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Speaker 15: They are down again. Auction volumes are down, and I think some properties are moving towards private treaty because people are not feeling confident about option, hoping it's going to be a better spring. But at this stage, thanks so much for being here, Tom, Thank you.
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Speaker 10: Shari still to come.
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Speaker 1: A former Terror group supporter has been hired by one of the world's most elite universities. That's after the break.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 1: A former supporter of Terror group his Bootteria has been appointed assistant research professor at Cambridge University. Farah Ahmed has outrageously criticized British schools for teaching that child marriage is wrong, and to discuss. Chief economist at the IPA, Adam Crichton joins me, Now, Adam, what can you tell me about this academic.
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Speaker 20: Well, it's just outrageous really that she's been appointed to this position. She's argued that teaching English is the most dangerous of all disciplines because it encourages competition, apparently and also individualism, things apparently that Islam does not approve of. I mean, she's been on the record for many, many years, and she saying crazy and outrageous things. I would argue that western civilized aas of cancer.
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Speaker 8: That it's disgusting.
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Speaker 20: She's even you know, she's received hundreds of thousands of pounds from the British government since two thousand and two, even running schools, public schools I believe, or at least schools that are subsidized by the government, and she's managed to find herself in this very senior prophetsorial position at what is arguably the most prestigious university in the UK. I mean, you know, she's tacitly being endorsed by the British government. That's a university is that is heavily subsidized by British taxpayers.
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Speaker 8: So I mean, the whole situation is.
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Speaker 20: Just an outrage and I think really that Cambridge needs to have an audit I would say now of its academics, given there are these two cases just in recent weeks that are just completely outrageous.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Adam, you went to one of these elite British universities. I think you were at ox I mean, but what does it say about these universities that they've changed so much that they're hiring people like this.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, look, it's pretty shocking. Twenty five years ago. I was at Oxford for a few years and look, it was left wing.
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Speaker 20: I mean, let's face it, most academics are pretty left wing, and that's fine, I suppose to an extent, but they weren't massively against Western civilization. And I certainly can't imagine, you know that a professor like this would have been appointed at either university back then. So, you know, I think it's a sign of our civilization's lack of confidence. We no longer have the courage of our convictions. It's very sad to see. And I hope that there's a community pushback against this, and like I said, that there is some sort of audit. It's just a shameful situation that this woman is being subsidized.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to turn to the economy the IBA Governor Michelle Bullock, this worn't this week wand about the low productivity. I mean, what needs to be done this is quite dian Ou.
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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, look, it's been very bad for some time.
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Speaker 20: But look, I'd just be happy if the federal government focused on reducing insanity and not increasing productivity.
00:47:51
Speaker 8: I mean, we've had the situation.
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Speaker 20: Now where they're spending billions of taxpayers dollars to force soul and wind power into the grid, and that of course puts smelt out of business, that puts steel works out of business, and then they come along and spend even more billions to bail them out. That's obviously shocking for productivity. And you've got the workforce. You know, job's growth is all in sectors, largely government supported sectors, the so called care economy, which are extremely unproductive. So so of course you're going to have a national slide in the figures. So look, I just think the bottom line is govern needs to get out of the way and that households and businesses make their own decisions about spending money, and then you'll get better productivity. I mean government spending, Remember, it's spending other people's money on other people.
00:48:31
Speaker 8: It's a very inefficient way of doing things.
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Speaker 20: If you spend your own money, then you know what you want and you're worried about cost. So you know, the larger government is the west productive society is going to be.
00:48:41
Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
00:48:43
Speaker 1: I want to turn to the Victorian state government now, tell us about this treaty body and how much they're spending to hire a new chief executive.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 20: Look, this is just outrageous, totally obscene really from Ben Carroll, the new premier here, you know, who's out there saying that he's going to support integrity in spending an efficiency and you've got a four hundred and seventy thousand dollars salary for the head of this so called treaty body, which has some weird.
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Speaker 8: Name that no one can actually pronounce ger and wel or something.
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Speaker 20: And you know, this is a state where people voted sixty forty just a few years ago explicitly against a body like this, a body which has already cost well over one hundred million dollars and setting it up, and the ongoing costs I think you're going to be seventy to one hundred million dollars every year. And this is a state with two hundred billion dollars of debt, right, I mean, it's completely outrageous. I mean, if you wanted to make a good decision to try to get in November.
00:49:32
Speaker 8: He should knock the whole thing on their head.
00:49:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you need to get into that Treasury department there, Adam and fix it all up. Thanks, good to see you again. Thanks for your time, all right, and thanks everyone so much for your company this week.
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Speaker 2: It's been a fun week.
00:49:45
Speaker 1: I hope we don't have to talk about melons next week, but for now, here's Paul Murray.
